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Jackie O’s claim - and why Chris Bowen fell into Liam Bartlett’s trap · The Front

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  Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.
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  Speaker 1: It's Monday, April thirteen, twenty twenty six. Australia's gas is
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  Speaker 1: crucial to get us through the current oil crisis, according
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  Speaker 1: to Anthony Albanesi, who'll visit Brunei and Malaysia this week
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  Speaker 1: to secure Australia's fuel and fertilizer supplies. Iran still wants
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  Speaker 1: a nuclear weapon and that's the sticking point in peace
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  Speaker 1: talks with the United States after Vice President JD Vance
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  Speaker 1: failed to get a deal over the weekend. Those stories
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  Speaker 1: are live right now at the Australian dot com dot au.
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  Speaker 1: How great is it when politicians throw tantrums for the
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  Speaker 1: cameras And who's going to be first to lose their
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  Speaker 1: job after the Kyle and Jackie O radio disaster at
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  Speaker 1: ARN Steve Jackson's media diary editor, and he's here in
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  Speaker 1: just a moment. Steve, I've already got April twenty four
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  Speaker 1: in my diary after reading your contribution this morning. What's happening?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, well, you could definitely lock that one in. We're
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  Speaker 2: going to see the Kyle and Jackie Oh show return
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  Speaker 2: for the first time in nine weeks. It's going to
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  Speaker 2: be held in the Federal Court Building and they're going
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  Speaker 2: to come face to face for the first time since
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  Speaker 2: their last show and the whole program unraveled and their
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  Speaker 2: contracts were down up.
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  Speaker 1: This is going to be better viewing than when Antoine
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  Speaker 1: Latouf had a stylist every day with a different outfit
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  Speaker 1: for her case against the ABC.
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  Speaker 2: I can't wait to see what they're wearing. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's going to be huge, and you know, typically people
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  Speaker 2: don't always turn up to case management hearings. We've seen
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  Speaker 2: already that Kyle is determined to use these opportunities to
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  Speaker 2: talk to reporters out the front because you know, he
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  Speaker 2: wants to be back on airs.
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  Speaker 3: We've had blow ups before, her on me and me
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  Speaker 3: on her. We just get over it. Yearsually, it feels
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  Speaker 3: like I didn't do anything different than I've been doing
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  Speaker 3: for twenty five years. Actually a little bit tamer than
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  Speaker 3: most days, because I was actually quite concerned that, you know,
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  Speaker 3: she's feeling good and everything's okay, and an argument did happen.
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  Speaker 3: I think it was quite tame compared to how they've
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  Speaker 3: been before, and it would have been something it would
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  Speaker 3: have just been over and done with the next day
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  Speaker 3: and the show would approved online normal.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't want to disappear, and we're going to see
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  Speaker 2: hopefully Jackie there as well. Indications that this stage are
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  Speaker 2: that she intends to attend. That's what I've been told,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, it is still two weeks out.
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  Speaker 1: Last time we had you on the front, we were
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  Speaker 1: talking about the notion that ARM thought that Jackie was
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  Speaker 1: going to be their star witness in their defense against
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  Speaker 1: Carl Sandalance. Then she dropped a bombshell with her own
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  Speaker 1: eighty two million dollar case against them, a fair work
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  Speaker 1: complaint and also an accusation that they've engaged in misleading
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  Speaker 1: and deceptive conduct by saying that they were offering her
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  Speaker 1: another show on the network. She seems to be implying
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  Speaker 1: in her statement of claim that that was not really
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  Speaker 1: a genuine offer. Her statement is a really interesting insight
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  Speaker 1: into the way she operates too. There's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: emotional text messages being sent to senior executives at ARN
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  Speaker 1: and her manager, and the responses that she was getting
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  Speaker 1: from Derek Bagwana, who was the head of Kiss as well,
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  Speaker 1: where he says things like, you know, Kyle really wants
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  Speaker 1: to talk to you. He's lost a lot of weight lately.
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  Speaker 1: He thought you might be interested.
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  Speaker 2: Look, no one loves talking about anything more than when
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  Speaker 2: they lose weight.
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  Speaker 1: Well, now I can't wait to see what his body
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  Speaker 1: shape is when he shows up in court.
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  Speaker 2: What's he been eating? What's he not meaning nothing?
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  Speaker 1: The stress has made him, you know, give up food or.
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  Speaker 2: To get j he's off the gluten.
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  Speaker 3: You're right though.
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  Speaker 2: Ironically though, they are still going to rely on her
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  Speaker 2: her claims to show that Kyle or to try to
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  Speaker 2: prove that Kyle was behaving poorly and back up their
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  Speaker 2: allegations of serious misconduct against him. Really bizarre situation has
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  Speaker 2: everyone asking, as I'm sure they're having meetings in a dare,
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  Speaker 2: and how can they win both? Because to win the
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  Speaker 2: Kyle case, you've got to say, yeah, you're being terrible
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  Speaker 2: to your co host Jackie. To win the Jackie case,
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  Speaker 2: they're going to go, no, we weren't turning a blinder. Aye,
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  Speaker 2: he wasn't being horrible to you. So it's this like
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  Speaker 2: phenomenal catch twenty two is how do they win both?
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  Speaker 2: And the suggestion is they might not win either.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a really difficult dilemma. I think for management,
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  Speaker 1: you've got these two sort of superstar talent, your greatest
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  Speaker 1: asset as a broadcaster. You're certainly paying them as though
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  Speaker 1: they are the greatest asset, even though they were going
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  Speaker 1: very poorly in Melbourne, and one of them is raising
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  Speaker 1: complaints against the other, and the complaints relate to the
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  Speaker 1: kind of behavior that is on air gold and in
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  Speaker 1: fact that in the past they had turned into fantastic
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  Speaker 1: on air sigmas and funny.
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  Speaker 4: You know, Kyle and I we've worked together for fourteen
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  Speaker 4: years now. I think we've probably had I can count
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  Speaker 4: in total, maybe three fights, and that was the third one.
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  Speaker 4: I'd say the last one we had would have been
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  Speaker 4: about six years ago.
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  Speaker 3: Remember what it was about?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I can't even remember. It was something.
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  Speaker 3: Stupid, But are you going off the handle about nothing?
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  Speaker 3: What was it?
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  Speaker 4: I think it was something really ridiculous.
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  Speaker 3: That you always are.
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  Speaker 1: They brought in a marriage counsel one point to resolve
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  Speaker 1: a dispute between them.
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  Speaker 2: And the interesting thing about that, and I think we're
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  Speaker 2: going to hear a lot about this particular exchange and
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  Speaker 2: that stunt where they brought in the marriage counselor because
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  Speaker 2: that happened just months before Jackie started complaining. So that
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  Speaker 2: happened a year ago. Fine with it, it's replayed. The suggestion
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  Speaker 2: is it was used on social media and pumped up
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  Speaker 2: is ah, this is one of our greatest skits of
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  Speaker 2: the week. I suppose they call them raves or rants,
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  Speaker 2: but it's pumped up is hey, this is our show
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  Speaker 2: at its best. This is a gold moment. And then
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  Speaker 2: months later, without any indication from what Kyle's saying, no
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  Speaker 2: indication to him, that's all changed and that sort of stuff,
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  Speaker 2: that part of the course, part of the show is
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  Speaker 2: no longer to according to Jackie, and she doesn't like it.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, she's allowed to mature. We all get older
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  Speaker 2: and more sensible. But you kind of got to tell
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  Speaker 2: the other guy, Hey, you know what you're saying. You know,
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  Speaker 2: maybe I'm not okay with it anymore.
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  Speaker 1: I've seen anyone enjoying a share price graph quite as
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  Speaker 1: much as you have been over the past week, watching
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  Speaker 1: ARN go down and down and down and down and down.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there's been a few ups as well. I used
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  Speaker 2: to like going to dream well when I was a kid,
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  Speaker 2: couldn't get enough the roller coasters. Now it's the RN
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  Speaker 2: share price and yeah, I can't get enough of it.
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  Speaker 2: It's up, it's down. Every time I've been checking today
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  Speaker 2: it's up five million. The market cap it's down five
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  Speaker 2: million either way. All I know is I'm glad I
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  Speaker 2: don't own any of their shares.
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  Speaker 1: The market cap is, of course, the number of shares
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  Speaker 1: out there in the market multiplied by the value of
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  Speaker 1: those shares. They are themselves in a really poor state.
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  Speaker 1: And what does that tell us, though, the fact that
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  Speaker 1: the share price is low just means that people don't
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  Speaker 1: have any faith at AARN is going to be able
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  Speaker 1: to work this out.
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  Speaker 2: I know that you have no faith in what the
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  Speaker 2: share price means, because what does it really mean.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's gambling, as you've said before. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's people taking a pump on what's going to happen now.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's probably a vote of confidence or no
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  Speaker 1: confidence in the executives at RN. Terrible decision. Initially it
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  Speaker 1: to offer these people one hundred million dollars each. There
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  Speaker 1: was no competition there. Nobody else was going to offer
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  Speaker 1: them one hundred million dollars.
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  Speaker 2: Look, I had been thinking about going upstairs and saying, guys,
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  Speaker 2: can I get a revenue share in one hundred million
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  Speaker 2: dollar contract. You just get laughed out of any media
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  Speaker 2: company in the country.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a made up figure that itself, I
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  Speaker 1: think was a publicity stunt. They thought that the sales
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  Speaker 1: revenue would come in to offset that, and that wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: really even touch the sides. That's turned out to be
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  Speaker 1: a disaster, and now their tactical decision making has been
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  Speaker 1: very poor as well. What they really needed to do,
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  Speaker 1: obviously back in February was get these two in a
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  Speaker 1: room and say, at all costs, you guys have to
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  Speaker 1: work it out.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And the thing is, I think ideally it looked I
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  Speaker 2: think you'd almost underestimate the abuse I'd received for one
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  Speaker 2: hundred million dollars over ten years. Whatever Kyle had said,
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  Speaker 2: they'd just be the tip of the iceberg for what
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  Speaker 2: I'd accept. But also the thing is, tell me, like,
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  Speaker 2: if we have a Barney and I say, oh, jeez
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  Speaker 2: to our editor Claire, she's a nightmare to day though,
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  Speaker 2: you know, does that actually is that the start of
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  Speaker 2: an HR process or is that just venting or is
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  Speaker 2: it letting off steam after twenty years together for it
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  Speaker 2: to be regular chat and just go that's your guy's
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  Speaker 2: regular banter, and you can see that in Derek Barguana's responses.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, Ah, she's had a hard day, She's aid
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  Speaker 2: a gutful of Kyle. We've got to imagine people who
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  Speaker 2: work with Kyle have a gutful of him every other day.
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  Speaker 2: He's a big personality. At what point do they go
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  Speaker 2: these text messages are these complaints are something different? Because
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  Speaker 2: it feels some of those messages are like he thinks
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  Speaker 2: she's blowing off steam. Maybe because he's replying as you say, oh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Kyle wants to tell you about his diet.
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  Speaker 1: It's like they.
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  Speaker 2: Don't get in her mind all of a sudden, this
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  Speaker 2: is different to her.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and in any hr, my observation is that the
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  Speaker 1: two parties tend to be sent to mediation.
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  Speaker 4: First.
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  Speaker 1: First thing they do is try to get them into
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  Speaker 1: a room and see can you guys work this out.
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  Speaker 1: She's taken it way past that by saying I can't
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  Speaker 1: work with him anymore. Dave respond by saying, okay, well
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  Speaker 1: then he's not allowed to contact you. Presumably they thought
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  Speaker 1: they were doing the right thing there, and also they
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  Speaker 1: thought they're going to act the contract.
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  Speaker 2: I was going to say, I don't think they think
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  Speaker 2: they were doing the right thing. Maybe by themselves. And
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  Speaker 2: I hadn't actually thought of it to you said it now,
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, first step is, guys, let's have a chat
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  Speaker 2: nowhere in the world. You go, oh, you guys have
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  Speaker 2: had a Barney. All right, contract's ripped up, you're out
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  Speaker 2: the door. I've never heard of that anywhere else before.
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  Speaker 2: It's always all right, let's where's the where's the people
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  Speaker 2: in culture person? And famously media cutting back editorial jobs
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  Speaker 2: left front, So the only departments that are growing and
• 9:35
  Speaker 2: the people in culture departments there more of those people
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  Speaker 2: every week. But for it to go from you've had
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  Speaker 2: a Barney on air, you're upset. We're just tearing up
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  Speaker 2: both your contracts and canning a top rating breakfast show
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  Speaker 2: that Let's face it, whatever happens from here, they're not
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  Speaker 2: going to be able to replicate the rating success that
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  Speaker 2: show in Jordan Sydney. So they've torn up all the
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  Speaker 2: revenue they were already having from there, because what are
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  Speaker 2: they going to have some half hearted show with somebody
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  Speaker 2: no one cares about. Yeah, there's a reason the good
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  Speaker 2: will that came with that show that people will tuning in. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: how do you go from zero to one hundred? I
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  Speaker 2: still can't wrap my head around it.
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  Speaker 1: They've also created for themselves in the marketplace kiss in
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  Speaker 1: expectation that at breakfast you're going to hear a lot
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  Speaker 1: about anal sex and kind of light detectors. No one
• 10:19
  Speaker 1: else can really deliver that. I mean, no other talent
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  Speaker 1: can kind of deliver that content successfully. So they're going
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: to have to completely pivot the way they entertained an audience.
• 10:30
  Speaker 1: One of their ideas is Carl Stefanovic. Do you hear
• 10:33
  Speaker 1: what will work? Well?
• 10:35
  Speaker 2: You know the thing about Karl is you one hundred
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  Speaker 2: percent right? He has got the X factor. I've been
• 10:39
  Speaker 2: fortunate enough to produce some stories with Karl. You bring
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  Speaker 2: him into a room and people like him. He works
• 10:47
  Speaker 2: in Queensland, he works in Sydney. They like him in
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  Speaker 2: Melbourne more than Kyle. So he's a good safe choice.
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  Speaker 2: But I say, is he too safe?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if we think about his YouTube show and
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  Speaker 1: what he clearly wants to talk about, it's kind of
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: I guess the new right wing, you know, the right
• 11:03
  Speaker 1: wing populism and issues like vaccination mandates and immigration.
• 11:08
  Speaker 5: I saw those images of Ben Roberts Smith being arrested
• 11:12
  Speaker 5: taking off a plane and I was just shocked. It
• 11:15
  Speaker 5: didn't make any sense to me that someone would be
• 11:19
  Speaker 5: arrested in such a public fashion around as kids. That
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  Speaker 5: to me was shocking.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's definitely got an audience out there for it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's at breakfast time on kiss though, I.
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  Speaker 2: Don't know if it's an FM audience. Like FM audience,
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  Speaker 2: what are those shows? Three people with annoying voices saying
• 11:34
  Speaker 2: someone got my name wrong when I ordered my coffee
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  Speaker 2: this morning? Ring in if this has happened to you,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like and I don't listen to a lot
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  Speaker 2: of those shows, but they've got a very specific set
• 11:44
  Speaker 2: formula interviewing right wingers or conservative voices. As great as
• 11:49
  Speaker 2: that is, it's a niche audience. And when we're talking
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: about broadcasting, it's broad appeal. And there's a reason that
• 11:56
  Speaker 2: these FM stations don't delve into the politics a lot.
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  Speaker 2: They veer away from the really divisive things, and that's
• 12:02
  Speaker 2: the zone of talkback where you've got angry old white men,
• 12:06
  Speaker 2: much like myself, yelling at the listeners and telling them
• 12:09
  Speaker 2: this is what the politicians have done wrong today, it's
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  Speaker 2: a completely different format and they're not punctuated by pop
• 12:14
  Speaker 2: songs in the middle. So what Karl has done very
• 12:18
  Speaker 2: successful in his podcast isn't an FM radio show. So
• 12:22
  Speaker 2: when people go his podcast has been great, how popular
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  Speaker 2: is he? That's great for his specific said audience, that
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  Speaker 2: isn't an FM radio audience.
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  Speaker 1: Someone else who definitely has the X factor in my
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  Speaker 1: view is Liam Bartlett, a veteran television reporter now on
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  Speaker 1: Channel seven Spotlight, and he's created a bit of attention
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  Speaker 1: for his story as all the best veterans always do,
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  Speaker 1: by showing up at a press conference in Canberra and
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  Speaker 1: kind of picking a fight with Chris Bowen, the angriest
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  Speaker 1: man in the National Capitol for he's the Minister for
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: Energy and of course he's holding the jerry can at
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: the moment for rising fuel prices.
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  Speaker 6: One point during this crisis, do you put the flag
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  Speaker 6: up and say listen, I'll resign and hand it over
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  Speaker 6: to someone who is more competent.
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  Speaker 3: It's a journalist behind you has a question.
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  Speaker 6: I'm going to go to hurt Well, no, no, open. Look,
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  Speaker 6: I've been trying to ask you questions. Now, why can't
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  Speaker 6: you sit down and answer open, honest questions. I've held
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  Speaker 6: a press conference every day. This is the first press
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  Speaker 6: confidence you've been to ask me a question.
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  Speaker 3: I've taken one question.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to do.
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  Speaker 6: You have taken one question, and that's very brave. Okay,
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  Speaker 6: that's very brave. I think you need to show a
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  Speaker 6: bit more respect to your colleagues. This is a full
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  Speaker 6: room of journalists. Everyone gets one question. Oh, I think
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  Speaker 6: everyone here would like to know the answers. Actually, I
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  Speaker 6: think everyone here would like to ask their own questions
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  Speaker 6: behind you.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know about your interpretation of this. In my view,
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  Speaker 1: this is Chris Bown walking into Liam but Let's trap
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  Speaker 1: Liam Butler.
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  Speaker 2: There are a few people as good as Liam when
• 13:41
  Speaker 2: it comes to doing a let's face this stunt like this,
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  Speaker 2: Chris Baron refusing to answer the question. I don't even
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  Speaker 2: know what the question was. What are you afraid of?
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  Speaker 2: Don't I spiders like? I don't know? And what was
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  Speaker 2: this other question? When are you going to resign? And
• 13:54
  Speaker 2: he's demanding answers, but he owns that press conference. And
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  Speaker 2: I tell you last week I made fun of Spotlight
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  Speaker 2: for putting out a ridiculous promo where everyone look po face.
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  Speaker 2: They look like the cast of Lea Misarabla. They were
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  Speaker 2: so sad and wretched. Week on the new EP Ronnie Sadler,
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  Speaker 2: extremely experienced long form journalist, comes in three days in
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  Speaker 2: and they've put out this and they've owned the media
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  Speaker 2: cycle for a day. Everyone's reading about Liam Bartlett, not
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  Speaker 2: just that, everyone's talking about it, and you can see
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  Speaker 2: reams of comments, Hey, Liam, we love your moxy. Finally
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  Speaker 2: a real journalist. What's everyone else doing it? The love
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  Speaker 2: for him has been sensational and it shows you. Sometimes
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: these programs under play how politically engage their audiences are.
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  Speaker 2: And I know I've just mocked that in an FM
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  Speaker 2: radio setting, but I think they don't realize how engaged
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: they are, particularly when it comes to hip pocket and
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: we're talking about petrol prices and renewable energies.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, they certainly have I think a much greater
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: finger on the pulse of what people are thinking about
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  Speaker 1: fuel prices than Chris Bowten does, as evidenced by his
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  Speaker 1: inability to go Liam, So great to hear see you here,
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  Speaker 1: great question. You know, Actually the transition to renewables is
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  Speaker 1: going to help bring everyone's energy bills down and I
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  Speaker 1: can't wait to talk to you more about it. Instead,
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  Speaker 1: he kind of repeated his stunt from the election that
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: he helped lose a couple of cycles ago, where he said,
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: if you don't like Labor's policies, don't vote for us.
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  Speaker 1: Well thanks, scoop.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're not going to.
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  Speaker 2: And the bizarrest thing is he comes out a day later.
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  Speaker 2: It's obviously not resonated well with him. He's rattled because
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  Speaker 2: he comes out at his press comments the following day.
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: What's he talking about, Liam, Butlert anyone else? You kin't
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: of go? All right, I've had a bit of a
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: bar up with him. You move on the next day,
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: he's still going on about it, going, I can pick
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: and choose who I engage with. Oh, well, you know what,
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: Channel seven has a large audience. They win nationally in
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: the news, They've got the most popular breakfast and morning
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: shows on television. And you've got Chris Bowen coming out
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: and going, oh, I don't care about their audience. Well
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: maybe you should.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: I think he thought he could turn the journals on
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: one another and turn them all on William.
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't worry, We'll do that out selves, will
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: decide who we make fun of. Journos don't need any
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: encouragement to turn on each other. One thing that we
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: don't like is politicians thinking they can play us off
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: against each other and you know, be the pied piprin
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: make fun of Liam. I've read some media columns that
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: were surprised that Channel seven had a camera on Liam
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: Bartlett for it. I don't know what media they've been
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: working in where they don't realize that cameras are on
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: multiple angles. But there's a theater to it that I
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: reckon few people can pull off. Liam's obviously one of them.
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: And the fact that Chris Boyne is still talking about
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: Liam Bartlett shows you how rattled he is by it
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: and reinforces Liam was right.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: He is scared well running. And Liam and the Team's
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: first show is on this coming Sunday. Spotlight's been off
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: air for a while. I'm looking forward to it. I'm
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: also looking forward to reading what else you've got in
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: the Diary today, Jacko, Thank you very much.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 16:59
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