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Chilling new details in armed kidnap of Wisconsin girl Jayme close, brutal murder of her mom & dad · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace investigators revealing chilling details about
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Speaker 1: the call made from Denise Klaus's phone inside the home
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Speaker 1: where authorities say she and her husband, James, were shot
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Speaker 1: to death their thirteen year old daughter, Jamie, abducted just
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Speaker 1: before one am Monday, the police log showing the dispatcher
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Speaker 1: could only hear yelling in the background and was unable
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Speaker 1: to get that caller back on the line. When they
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Speaker 1: tried calling the landline at the residents, it had been disconnected.
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Speaker 1: Suspicions sending officers racing to the house in rural Baron, Wisconsin,
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Speaker 1: arriving just four minutes later to find the front door
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Speaker 1: kicked in a grizzly scene inside. Her parents died from
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Speaker 1: gunshot ones. That's why we were ruling this on homicide.
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Speaker 1: There was no gun found on the scene. We are
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Speaker 1: learning chilling, chilling details in the disappearance of a little girl,
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Speaker 1: Jamie class I, Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us. Everybody the tip line eight
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Speaker 1: five five seven four four three eight seven nine eight
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Speaker 1: five five seven four four three eight seven nine. Everybody
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Speaker 1: listening now be on the lookout for this little girl,
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Speaker 1: Jamie class You were just hearing from our friends at
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Speaker 1: ABC g m A. That was Ariel Rashif describing what
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Speaker 1: searchers are learning now. We are learning very disturbing details
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Speaker 1: from the nine one one call, chilling police logs revealing
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Speaker 1: missing Jamie's injured father apparently answering the door to police
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Speaker 1: before he dies in front of them from gunshot wounds.
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Speaker 1: The little girl, who just turned thirteen years old, disappeared,
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Speaker 1: as you heard, within minutes. We're learning this from the
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Speaker 1: police logs. Disappeared within six to seven minutes from the
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Speaker 1: time that nine one one call was made, because when
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Speaker 1: cops got there, she was gone. We are also learning
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Speaker 1: that Jamie's mom apparently barricaded herself in a bathroom or
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Speaker 1: a closet, and they came after the mom, shooting the
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Speaker 1: mom dead and taking the girl straight out to Dave
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Speaker 1: mac syndicated talk show host Dave Let's just start at
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Speaker 1: the beginning, then will circle back to the breaking news.
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Speaker 1: Let's start at the beginning. What happened just before one
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Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, the nine one one call was made.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't understandable. They could just hear yelling and screaming
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Speaker 1: in the background. Police immediately headed towards this trailer home
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Speaker 1: and rural Wisconsin, arriving four minutes after that phone call
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Speaker 1: was made. When they got to the house, they could
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Speaker 1: tell that the front door had been kicked in. As
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Speaker 1: you said, it looks like her Jamie's father actually answered
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Speaker 1: the door and allowed police in before he died from
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Speaker 1: his gunshot wounds. What we're trying to figure out from
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Speaker 1: that nine one one call is they know that de
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Speaker 1: niece's mother barricaded herself in the bathroom and maybe they
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Speaker 1: possibly heard the last moment of her life on that
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Speaker 1: Oh my stars, what could possibly have led to this
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Speaker 1: little girl's kidnap? Take a listen to what we're learning
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Speaker 1: from k A r A t v S Danny Spiewatch
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Speaker 1: in this small town of the news traveled fast from
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Speaker 1: the w t m J Breaking News Center and Amber
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Speaker 1: alert issued for a thirteen year old from Baron. Jamie
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Speaker 1: Cross has been missing for nearly twenty four hours. Now,
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Speaker 1: every scenario starts racing through your mind. You know where
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Speaker 1: is she? Is she okay? Is she scared? Christie Fink
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Speaker 1: has taught Jamie dance for the past seven years. She's
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Speaker 1: one of the kids here and I we just have
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Speaker 1: to find her. Jamie went missing overnight from this home
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Speaker 1: off Highway eight. According to the Sheriff's Department. That's where
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Speaker 1: she lived with her parents. Just after one am, the
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Speaker 1: Sheriff's Department responded to a nine one one call here
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Speaker 1: and found James and Denise Class dead. Joining me right now,
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan forensics expert, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University,
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Speaker 1: death investigator and author of Blood Beneath My Fate with me,
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Speaker 1: judge lawyer, founder of child crime watch dot com. Ashley Wilcott,
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Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina family lawyer and of course Dave Mack.
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Speaker 1: Syndicated talk show host, Alan Duke and Jackie Howard in
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Speaker 1: the studio with me. Straight out to you, Ashley Willcott,
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Speaker 1: from your vantage point as founder of child Crimewatch dot com,
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Speaker 1: what do you think? So here's what I think. I
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Speaker 1: think clearly it was an abduction. I think it was
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Speaker 1: planned as an abduction, otherwise I think that they would
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Speaker 1: have found this thirteen year old child also killed in
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Speaker 1: the home. The second part of this, I think, as
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Speaker 1: a as a judge, evidence wise, I want to know
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Speaker 1: was there any dying declaration, you know, an exception to
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Speaker 1: hear say by the father, the fact that he opened
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Speaker 1: the door for the police and then died. Was he
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Speaker 1: able to say anything that gave them any clue as
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Speaker 1: to who did this. We are learning the father apparently
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Speaker 1: was alive when he answered the door. Then he died
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Speaker 1: right in front of the police. He was already injured.
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Speaker 1: What does it say to you that the door was
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Speaker 1: shot in? Many people are speculating did little Jamie have
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Speaker 1: something to do with this? I don't think the door
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Speaker 1: would have been shot in the way it was. If
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Speaker 1: she had anything to do with it, she would have
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Speaker 1: just opened the door, given a key to her quote kidnappers,
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Speaker 1: or left the door unlocked. That didn't happen. And to you,
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Speaker 1: Dave Max indicated, talk to your host. Whatever that call was,
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Speaker 1: be in a pocket or the mom trying to call
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Speaker 1: nine one one, and we heard the last moments of
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Speaker 1: her life. Police are not releasing that call. Was Jamie
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Speaker 1: in the bathroom with her mother? That's Jackie Howard's question.
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Speaker 1: What do we know, Dave Mac about that call. What
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Speaker 1: we know is that you know that at first wanted
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Speaker 1: to tell us that it came from Denise's cell phone.
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Speaker 1: They only released that recently. We don't hear anything on
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Speaker 1: there that is intelligible. They're trying to clean it up,
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Speaker 1: but all you could hear was chaos in the background,
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Speaker 1: yelling and screaming, and nothing was articulate. It couldn't tell
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Speaker 1: what was being said. So we don't know if Jamie
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Speaker 1: was in the bathroom barricaded with her mother. Uh, we
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Speaker 1: do know. Police said that apparently she was the target
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Speaker 1: Jamie was to get her out of there, not to
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Speaker 1: kill her. Because obviously you've got mom and dad, dad,
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Speaker 1: and Jamie is gone, right, Kathleen Murphy, right now, North
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Speaker 1: Carolina Family lawyer, Kathleen Murphy. There is no robbery. There
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Speaker 1: is uh no burglary, nothing's missing. The rest of the
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Speaker 1: home seemed very orderly and in place, no sex attack
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Speaker 1: on the mom or dad. So it had to be
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Speaker 1: the only motive left is to get the girl, Jamie
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Speaker 1: class And it was a fast crime, Nancy. It happened
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Speaker 1: within four minutes. And I had the same question as
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Speaker 1: our other panelists. Was Jamie in the bathroom with her mother?
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Speaker 1: Our first instinct, if somebody's coming into home and I'm
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Speaker 1: barricading myself in a room, my child is going to
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Speaker 1: be with me. Just got Morgan agree or disagree with
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Speaker 1: what Kathleen Murphy just observed. I think that she is
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Speaker 1: the prize that they are after Nancy. This is planned.
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Speaker 1: I think that that this little girl was the target
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Speaker 1: of everything. This was planned. Somebody showed up with weapons.
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Speaker 1: Some absolutely absolutely details right now from a dispatcher's call
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Speaker 1: log have just been released, not the call itself, but
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Speaker 1: the call log details. They were released by Barron County
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Speaker 1: Sheriff's Department, and they paint a horrifying picture of this
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Speaker 1: early warning shooting, the shootings of Denise and James clost there,
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Speaker 1: Jamie's parents. Jamie has vanished. Take a listen to this
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Speaker 1: boom and then boom just seconds after this neighbor heard
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Speaker 1: two gunshots. Other than that, Sheriff Chris Fitzgerald says, the
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Speaker 1: home seemed in order with cars still in the driveway,
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Speaker 1: and we believe everything is that con um. We just
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Speaker 1: don't know where this thirteen year old girls and Jamie
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Speaker 1: classes her name. By three thirty PM, and Amber alert
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Speaker 1: had been issued, meaning law enforcement has reason to believe
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Speaker 1: in abduction occurred and that Jamie could be an immediate danger.
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Speaker 1: The FBI and National Center for Missing and Exploited Children
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Speaker 1: are working on this case, but they have not said
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Speaker 1: anything about how Jamie disappeared or who may have taken her.
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Speaker 1: Jamie has green eyes, blonde or kind of strawberry blonde hair.
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Speaker 1: She's only five feet tall and only ways a hundred pounds.
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Speaker 1: She was involved in so many things and dance in
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Speaker 1: sports straight. A student described as very very quiet Ashley Wilcott,
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Speaker 1: I'm sure police have comed through her social media to
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Speaker 1: see if there was anyone stalking her. But being at
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Speaker 1: these advance these dance class recitals, um in sports such
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Speaker 1: as cheerleader or basketball, where the girls are there, who
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Speaker 1: knows who attended those events and saw Jamie And that's
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Speaker 1: the problem. They've stalked her, whether it's physically in person
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Speaker 1: watching or via her social media. So social media is
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Speaker 1: the right place to start. I see this time and
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Speaker 1: time again, Nancy. There are predators out there who get
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Speaker 1: to our kids, whether it's watching them at events or
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Speaker 1: through social media misleading them. But clearly she was targeted.
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Speaker 1: The quickness of the crime, the fact that they came
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Speaker 1: to that home, she was the target. Scared that nobody
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Speaker 1: knows anything, I think, says She had just been texting
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Speaker 1: with Denise class over the weekend about Jamie's dance schedule today,
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Speaker 1: coming into work, I was going to try to find
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Speaker 1: another class for her, and instead we're doing that. I
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Speaker 1: think described the feeling in town as a panic. But
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Speaker 1: there's nothing, there's no information, and somebody needs to come
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Speaker 1: forward with some information. We have to find her. That's
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Speaker 1: k A r A t v s. Danny Speewalk speaking
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Speaker 1: to Jamie's dance instructor, who has described her as a
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Speaker 1: very quiet girl and was working on another dance class
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Speaker 1: for her, and instead, the search for Jamie goes on.
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Speaker 1: We are taking your calls at nine zero nine four
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Speaker 1: nine crime nine four nine two seven four six three
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Speaker 1: Out to Tina in Wisconsin. High Tinay, what's your question, dear, Well,
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Speaker 1: I just I just wondered. UM, I don't really have
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Speaker 1: a question. Is that a comment? Um? We do live, UM,
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Speaker 1: you know this is a small tone. UM. I live
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Speaker 1: about twelve miles from where it happened. Um, right off
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Speaker 1: the highway as well. People are just so on edge.
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Speaker 1: And we're from such a small area that, UM, we
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Speaker 1: typically don't even lock our doors at night, and so
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Speaker 1: now everybody's go on edge. UM I'm actually locking my
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Speaker 1: door and just just the feel of the town has
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Speaker 1: just changed so much. You can just see everybody's scared
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Speaker 1: because there's absolutely I don't think there's much for leaves that. Um,
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Speaker 1: we've heard for any update there in the area. Everybody
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Speaker 1: teena Wisconsin is with me on the phone. You're not
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Speaker 1: too far away from where Jamie was abducted. I do
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Speaker 1: not believe this child, this little girl who was described
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Speaker 1: as quiet um and very loving to her family, I
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Speaker 1: do not believe this child had anything to do with this,
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Speaker 1: this whole thing. I mean, we've I've covered and investigated
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Speaker 1: bizarre cases, but there are very few and far between
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Speaker 1: for children orchestrate the death of their parents. I don't
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Speaker 1: think that's the case here, Teina. I absolutely do not. No,
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Speaker 1: I do not either. I think it's I do believe
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Speaker 1: it's an abduction. Um. It's just so scary because there's
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Speaker 1: always these rumors, you know, about sex trafficking, and that's
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Speaker 1: been quite a big subject amongst the public right now.
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Speaker 1: Is wondering if if it's a sex trafficking thing where
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Speaker 1: there's people actually that desperate to start coming into the homes,
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Speaker 1: and you know, just everybody's on edge and scared, how
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Speaker 1: could it happen? Tina in Wisconsin with me when the
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Speaker 1: not only call comes in at twelve a m cops
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Speaker 1: get there at one oh three, she's already gone. Tina,
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Speaker 1: I know you're hearing things in the neighboring town that
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Speaker 1: may not be reported yet. Do people think that Jamie
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Speaker 1: was observed at one of her dance recitals or at
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Speaker 1: one of her sporting events? What is the working theory?
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Speaker 1: That's That's kind of what I've been hearing is um,
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Speaker 1: we feel like that is probably the case. You know,
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Speaker 1: even at your local UM stores, you know, UM shopping,
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Speaker 1: we typically go to Race Lake and that's kind of
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Speaker 1: you know, rumors that people follow people out of the
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Speaker 1: Walmart store. UM. You know, we don't know if they're
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Speaker 1: targeting smaller talents because we're a little bit naive sometimes
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Speaker 1: to danger um. But yeah, that's kind of what people
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Speaker 1: are wondering. Well, you know, Tina, you just mentioned the
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Speaker 1: Walmart and I don't know if you recall this. Guys,
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Speaker 1: Dave Matt, Kathleen Murphy, Ashley Wilcott just got Morgan. Stay
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Speaker 1: with me, Tina, Ashley Wilcot, I believe you were with
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Speaker 1: me when I covered the Pettit case where the mom
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Speaker 1: and in Connecticut, where the mom and the daughter had
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Speaker 1: gone to the grocery store and some freaks followed them home,
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Speaker 1: broke in through the open basement door in the middle
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Speaker 1: of the night. They hit the dad, doctor Pettit, on
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Speaker 1: the head, knock him out, tie him up, and they
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Speaker 1: proceed to rape and murder the mom the little girls
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Speaker 1: and set the house on fire. Yeah, I mean, oh yeah,
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Speaker 1: they tried to drive. They took him to an a
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Speaker 1: t M. And the mom was afraid they'd kill the girls,
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Speaker 1: so she didn't say anything at the bank and uh yeah,
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Speaker 1: remember that. And the whole thing was it spart spart
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Speaker 1: to my mind. When Tina in Wisconsin mentioned about Walmart
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Speaker 1: right now in the neighboring town, Tina, what's the neighboring town?
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Speaker 1: She said, she lives about twelve miles from Baron. Baron,
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Speaker 1: I would be looking at the Walmart surveillance video target
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Speaker 1: grocery store surveillance video to see if she Jamie and
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Speaker 1: her mom or dad pop up and who else was there,
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Speaker 1: if anyone followed them. Ashley, Yeah, I agree with you, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: and I hate to go to the sex trafficking piece,
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Speaker 1: but that's a big part of the work that I
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Speaker 1: do here in Georgia nationally, and unfortunately, she's absolutely right.
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Speaker 1: I do think that's a very real possibility in this case.
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Speaker 1: Something we need to remember about the people who will
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Speaker 1: get children for sex trafficking purposes, they have no boundaries.
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Speaker 1: They would absolutely shoot to people to take the child
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Speaker 1: and put her into the sex industry because of the
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Speaker 1: amount of money that they would make off of it.
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Speaker 1: So it is a scary thought, but that does happen.
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Speaker 1: Someone might have followed them and killed them in order
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Speaker 1: to take her and put her into that industry. It's
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Speaker 1: a possibility. Tina. In Wisconsin, you're about twelve miles away
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Speaker 1: from where Jamie was taken. Where are the closest For instance,
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Speaker 1: when I grew up, I say I'm from Macon, Georgia,
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Speaker 1: I'm actually from unincorporated bib County. We would have to
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Speaker 1: dry fift twenty minutes to even get to a grocery store,
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Speaker 1: all right, So what would be the closest Walmart Target
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Speaker 1: grocery stores that if you lived in Jamie's neighborhood, they
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Speaker 1: would go to, Tina um, I would say it's probably
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Speaker 1: fifteen miles from her hosts the closest Walmart, and that
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Speaker 1: would be where you live. It's probably I travel about
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Speaker 1: thirty miles to the closest walmart. Um, but for her,
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Speaker 1: she's probably closers. You know, I is closers. So it's
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Speaker 1: sixteen miles probably from her house to the closest walmart.
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Speaker 1: And what city is that I live in? To Wake, Wisconsin?
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Speaker 1: Where's the wall? Where's the Walmart that she would travel to? Oh?
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Speaker 1: I'm certain, yes, right, Wisconsin, Rice, Lake, Rice, Late Walmart. Man.
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Speaker 1: I hope the cops are on it. Joseph's got Morgan uh,
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Speaker 1: expert in forensics and author Joe Scott, what about it.
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Speaker 1: Another thing we've learned is that I was trying to
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Speaker 1: reconcile how many shots a neighborhoard. They said they heard two.
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Speaker 1: But I'm like, Okay, if they shot the door in
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Speaker 1: and they shot each parent a minimum of one time,
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Speaker 1: that's multiple shots. Then I'm learning. Uh. Then I learned
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Speaker 1: that the door may have been kicked in, so that
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Speaker 1: would explain that inconsistency. Jocot, Yeah, it would. And Nancy,
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Speaker 1: I was sitting here pondering. I was thinking about, we've
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Speaker 1: got a plethora of evidence at the scene. Uh, if
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Speaker 1: the door was kicked in, obviously there is a high
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Speaker 1: likelihood that there's going to be a shoeprint on that door, UH,
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Speaker 1: and I would imagine before kicking it in, they probably
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Speaker 1: applied force, and that would mean them having a grip,
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Speaker 1: maybe an outside door knob, that sort of thing. We
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Speaker 1: might be looking for fingerprints or maybe even touch DNA.
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Speaker 1: And if we go back to this piece that actually
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Speaker 1: was talking about relative to sex trafficking, these individuals might
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Speaker 1: be in the database relative to UH sexual predators UH,
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Speaker 1: which could be an absolute home run in this particular
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Speaker 1: case if they are in there and you can match
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Speaker 1: that DNA up with it. Right now, we are running
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Speaker 1: down all the leads and all the tips that we
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Speaker 1: are getting at crime online dot com. But please, if
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Speaker 1: you have information call eight five five seven or four
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Speaker 1: four three eight seven five eight five seven or four
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Speaker 1: four three eight seven five at Wilcott. What about her
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Speaker 1: social media and her friends? Would they likely know if
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Speaker 1: anyone had been stalking her or anyone that had an
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Speaker 1: odd interest in her? I mean, we just lived through
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Speaker 1: the Tad Cummings incident for the high school teacher actually
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Speaker 1: took the little girl cross country and had her out
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Speaker 1: in some commune and the Pacific Northwest. Absolutely so, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: how many times have you and I talked about when
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Speaker 1: you take your kids somewhere in carpool with their friends,
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Speaker 1: how much information do you learn ten times as much
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Speaker 1: as you learn from talking to your own kids. So
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Speaker 1: they tell their friends, that's what kids do. Who do
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Speaker 1: they talk to their friends? And I'm going to stand
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Speaker 1: by somebody knows something. So either she said something to
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Speaker 1: her friend, or she sent an email, she sent a text,
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Speaker 1: she sent some kind of social media. Absolutely, that's a
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Speaker 1: really important place to look for information. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to the Barry County share of Chris Fitzgerald Listend School
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Speaker 1: where she attends school. We have officers there today working
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Speaker 1: with anybody that may have any bit of information. Well,
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Speaker 1: I won't say the public there's no immediate danger that
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Speaker 1: we know of, but we don't. We have a lot
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Speaker 1: of unknowns in this case. And that's the frustrating part
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Speaker 1: in the law enforce of world is the unknowns that
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Speaker 1: we were hitting with this case. So to say the
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Speaker 1: public is not in danger, I can't say that, But
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Speaker 1: I want the public to be aware we know of
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Speaker 1: no immediate danger. I want my children safe, don't you?
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Speaker 1: promo code Nancy. Nine one call was given that night
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Speaker 1: from the residents on a cell phone UM, but no
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Speaker 1: contact was made with somebody that was on the other line.
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Speaker 1: And that's what's unusual about that nine on one call.
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Speaker 1: There was no one communicating with our dispatch word help,
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Speaker 1: did you hear that the dispatcher hearing that. I don't
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Speaker 1: know that if I don't know if the word help
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Speaker 1: was said, I can't comment on that. I don't know
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Speaker 1: what that was said. UM, but there was some kind
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Speaker 1: of disturbance going on and that's why law enforcement was
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Speaker 1: sent to the home. Le Baron County Sheriff said investigators
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Speaker 1: have received over a thousand tips in the case and
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Speaker 1: have thoroughly investigated more than eight hundred of them. He
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Speaker 1: goes on to say that we are using every resource
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Speaker 1: available and have conducted hundreds of interviews, multiple searches, and
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Speaker 1: are using the technical and forensic expertise of our state
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Speaker 1: and federal resources to locate the person or persons well
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Speaker 1: committed this offense and to locate Jeney. You had heard
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Speaker 1: Barron County Sheriff Christmas Gerald speaking to Time dot Com
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Speaker 1: as well as our friend Liz Colin at w c
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Speaker 1: c O TV in Minneapolis. Right now. The search is
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Speaker 1: on for a little girl forcibly taken from her home
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Speaker 1: and the specter has arisen. Was she in the room
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Speaker 1: the bathroom, barricaded with her mother when the door was
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Speaker 1: forced open and the mother shot dead, The little girl
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Speaker 1: missing to Dave Mack, syndicated talk show host, joining us. Dave,
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Speaker 1: we're getting a lot of information by deciphering the police
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Speaker 1: nine o one call logs. What exactly are we learning,
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Speaker 1: Dave Mac What we're figuring out right now, Nancy is
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Speaker 1: that there was nothing coming from to nice cloths as
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Speaker 1: she was barricading in that bathroom. And then it's been
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Speaker 1: referred to as possibly a butt dial. I don't think
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Speaker 1: that at all. I think she's barricaded in there and
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Speaker 1: panicked because her husband's just been shot by the front door.
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Speaker 1: She's trying to call nine one one as the abductors
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Speaker 1: get to the bathroom, and that's all we hear on
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Speaker 1: that phone call. All we hear is chaos. And they
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Speaker 1: haven't released any kind of text or anything from the
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Speaker 1: actual audio recording. As a matter of fact, they waited
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Speaker 1: a couple of days to let us know that it
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Speaker 1: actually was the phone call of Denise Clause it was
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Speaker 1: her phone rather and we don't know if if Jamie
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Speaker 1: was in the bathroom with her. As a parent, we
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Speaker 1: all assume we would grab our kid and and try
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Speaker 1: to hide because obviously, you know, the front door was
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Speaker 1: kicked in. That created a major disturbance, disturbance in this house,
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Speaker 1: her husband gets shot by the front door. Denise. You
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Speaker 1: can picture her grabbing Jamie, going to the bathroom, barricading
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Speaker 1: themselves in, calling one and all of this happened in
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Speaker 1: such a short window of time. We're talking just four
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Speaker 1: minutes or more before the police are at the sight
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Speaker 1: of this crime. Joining me, just caught Morgan. Forensics expert
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Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina family lawyer asked, she Wilcott and
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Speaker 1: Dave Matt you know, just got Morgan. What do you
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Speaker 1: believe they are doing at the home at Jamie Claus's
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Speaker 1: home right now to search for forensics, any chance of
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Speaker 1: DNA and if so, how yeah, I think that there
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Speaker 1: there is a high likelihood. I'm amazed, Nancy at how
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Speaker 1: quickly it was mentioned just a second ago, how quickly uh,
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Speaker 1: this crime went down. And in that I'm hoping that
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Speaker 1: that when the initial responders got in there started walking around,
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Speaker 1: that they kind of backed out, locked that scene down.
24:33
Speaker 1: Because what we would be looking for are particularly any
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Speaker 1: kind of blood of us that might have been generated,
24:38
Speaker 1: maybe there was a fight or something that came from
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Speaker 1: the perpetrators. From that we can get DNA but also
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Speaker 1: touched DNA. Anything that's left behind in the small particulate
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Speaker 1: matter that's left behind on door knobs, any contact surfaces,
24:51
Speaker 1: and even on bodies. Uh, that's gonna be critical. Fingerprints.
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Speaker 1: I mentioned footprints just a moment ago. Anything that is
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Speaker 1: going to have a tie back to specific individuals. And
25:01
Speaker 1: let's keep in mind, depending upon what kind of weapon
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Speaker 1: was fired, Nancy, if this was a semi automatic pistol. Uh,
25:07
Speaker 1: We've got spent shell cases out there that could tie
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Speaker 1: back potentially to a weapon. Maybe this weapon has been
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Speaker 1: used in other crimes. Right in the ballistics bank, guys,
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Speaker 1: there is a national database of fingerprints is called APHIS
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Speaker 1: a p h I S. There is a national database
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Speaker 1: of DNA called CODIS. There is also a national ballistics database.
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Speaker 1: And if a a shell or a bullet is obtained
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Speaker 1: from a crime scene or really even a weapon itself,
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Speaker 1: those markings on the bullet or the interior of the
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Speaker 1: barrel of the gun, can you can look at them
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Speaker 1: under a microscope and see certain striations or um, I
25:49
Speaker 1: don't know how to say it, skin marks that are
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Speaker 1: left on a bullet as it hurtles down the barrel.
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Speaker 1: Only one gun makes that particular marking as the metal
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Speaker 1: is cool on the barrel when it is manufacturer's like
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Speaker 1: a fingerprint to a gun. These bullets that Joseph Scott
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Speaker 1: Morgan is talking about, if they're found in the body
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Speaker 1: or on the scene, can be matched back to the
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Speaker 1: National Ballistics Database to see if that gun has been
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Speaker 1: used in any other crime. We are taking your calls
26:19
Speaker 1: and I want you to to listen to this. As
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Speaker 1: a Barry County Sheriff, Christmas Gerald, he says something very interesting.
26:26
Speaker 1: Her parents, James and Denise, were found shot to death
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Speaker 1: inside their home. Someone called nine one one from the
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Speaker 1: mother's cell phone around one o'clock Monday morning. Law enforcements
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Speaker 1: showed up four minutes later, but Jamie was gone. There's
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Speaker 1: been no sign of her since at this time. You know,
26:41
Speaker 1: I don't want to say that there's a danger of
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Speaker 1: the community, but there's someone knowns in this case. Um
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Speaker 1: and uh you know, we're following up on leads, but
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Speaker 1: at this time I don't see a danger to the public,
26:51
Speaker 1: but we want everybody to remain uh as some of
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Speaker 1: these things. If there's a change in behavior, please report
26:57
Speaker 1: that to our tipline. That was our fraid Liz Collins
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Speaker 1: at w ccot V Minneapolis and the Baron County Sheriff
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Speaker 1: christ Fitsgerald. And what is striking me is so important
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Speaker 1: right there, Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina family lawyer, as they
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Speaker 1: send multiple times, we don't think the public is in danger.
27:16
Speaker 1: What does that say to me that this was targeted
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Speaker 1: for Jamie, not just a sex trafficker, not just a kidnapper,
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Speaker 1: but someone connected to this girl. Because based on what
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Speaker 1: the sheriff is saying, he knows something, that means he's
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Speaker 1: interpreting it to mean other children and other families are
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Speaker 1: not in danger. And that also sounds to me like
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Speaker 1: she may have had perhaps that kick app that was
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Speaker 1: so prominent in the murder of um the little girl
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Speaker 1: Nicky in Virginia, and she may have had a secret
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Speaker 1: app on her phone that her parents didn't know about.
27:57
Speaker 1: And Nancy, My big concern, well, well, I don't know
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Speaker 1: that it's secret, though, Kathleen. I mean, can't you just
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Speaker 1: look at the phone. I can see Snapchat on my phone,
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Speaker 1: and every time my twins mooch off my hotspot, I
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Speaker 1: can see what they're doing. Pretty much. Well, you're the exception.
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Speaker 1: You're absolutely the exception, because I see so many parents
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Speaker 1: who are not monstering your social media of their children.
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Speaker 1: And I believe that the police know something because they've
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Speaker 1: looked at her phone, They've looked at her social media accounts,
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Speaker 1: and I believe she was targeted. And why was there
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Speaker 1: so much noise and commotion entering that house. Why didn't
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Speaker 1: they wait an hour or two and sneak in and
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Speaker 1: take this child. That's a question that I've had. Now
28:39
Speaker 1: that is an interesting angle. I want you to take
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Speaker 1: a listen to what we are learning from ABC reporter
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Speaker 1: Alex Perez. Authority is here at the Baron County Schreff
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Speaker 1: Department say those autopsy results have been returned, and they
28:50
Speaker 1: had now know that Jamie's parents were shot to death,
28:54
Speaker 1: and they believed that Jamie was home when they were killed.
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Speaker 1: This all started at about one am and day authorities
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Speaker 1: got that suspicious nine one one call. The dispatcher could
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Speaker 1: not hear anyone speaking directly to them, but they could
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Speaker 1: hear noise in the background. Well, officials now say that
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Speaker 1: noise in the background that they heard, they weren't specific
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Speaker 1: about it, but that noise that they heard that made
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Speaker 1: this makes them think that Jamie was inside the home
29:17
Speaker 1: at the time. Now, they responded to that home just
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Speaker 1: four minutes after that call to one, and when authorities
29:23
Speaker 1: got there, Jamie was gone. There was no sign of
29:26
Speaker 1: the thirteen year old girl. The nine on one call
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Speaker 1: was given that night from the residents on a cell
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Speaker 1: phone um, but no contact was made with somebody that
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Speaker 1: was on the other line. And that's what's unusual about
29:37
Speaker 1: that nine o one call. There was no one communicating
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Speaker 1: with our dispatch. We want to bring Jamie home. That's
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Speaker 1: the main point. I will not uh interrupt this investigation
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Speaker 1: for anybody to have any information that's not necessary. That's
29:50
Speaker 1: why I won't give on any information. If we think
29:52
Speaker 1: it's key to the case where we need the public's help,
29:55
Speaker 1: we will disseminate that information. But until then, our number
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Speaker 1: one goal is bring Jamie home, and no amount of
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Speaker 1: information would've given out unless we feel it's appropriate to help.
30:06
Speaker 1: You are hearing the chief of police there in Barron County,
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Speaker 1: Christmas Gerald, speaking, and it's true they are keeping it
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Speaker 1: close to the vest. We're talking about a missing little girl.
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Speaker 1: She has just turned thirteen, at home with her mother
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Speaker 1: and father. Everybody apparently asleep at all started unfolding in
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Speaker 1: a rural area of Wisconsin around twelve fifty three a m.
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Speaker 1: Around one a m. With a single nine on one
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Speaker 1: hang up call. According to what we're learning from deciphering
30:35
Speaker 1: the dispatch call logs, now that call was immediately traced
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Speaker 1: to Denise class cell phone and immediately police went to
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Speaker 1: the scene. Now, the dispatcher apparently heard yelling, but the
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Speaker 1: caller didn't say anything. Three different Barren police officers immediately
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Speaker 1: went there. They were up on the graveyard ship. The
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Speaker 1: first we got there at one a m. Remember the
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Speaker 1: call came in at twelve fifty three. By that time,
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Speaker 1: Jamie was already gone. With me on the line is Tina,
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Speaker 1: from about ten to twelve miles away from where Jamie
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Speaker 1: was kidnapped. Tina, do you notice the chief of police
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Speaker 1: keep saying, excuse me, it's the sheriff. The Baron County
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Speaker 1: sheriff keeps saying the rest of the community is not
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Speaker 1: in danger. Tina, What is everybody there in the community
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Speaker 1: take that to mean? I don't know. I guess we
31:30
Speaker 1: all feel because we don't have any answers. We all
31:33
Speaker 1: still still definitely uneasy and we're um, you know, locking
31:37
Speaker 1: our doors that night, because we don't know why she
31:41
Speaker 1: was abducted. Also, I just wanted to add about that
31:44
Speaker 1: phone call. Why did the phone hang up? That's been
31:48
Speaker 1: something we've been talking about. Did it dot? Did the
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Speaker 1: phone charger, um, you know it died because the battery
31:54
Speaker 1: was old? Or who hung up that phone? Normally once
31:58
Speaker 1: you call, of course you don't hang up. So did
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Speaker 1: the predator hang up that phone? Is their fingerprint on
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Speaker 1: that phone? You know? I was wondering about fingerprints from
32:07
Speaker 1: the phone to Tina. That is an excellent question. We
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Speaker 1: are taking your calls at nine zero nine Crime nine
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Speaker 1: zero nine four nine to seven four six three. Let's
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Speaker 1: go out, Alan connect me with Kimberly in Kentucky. Please Kimberly, Hi, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: Hi beautiful. I had a question. I was just a
32:29
Speaker 1: theory I had. Has anybody mentioned that they have checked
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Speaker 1: any computers in the house or were there any computers
32:36
Speaker 1: in the house that she that the the little girl
32:40
Speaker 1: could have been commuting with somebody, I mean talking to somebody, um,
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Speaker 1: telling them that something was bad going on in the house,
32:49
Speaker 1: and maybe somebody came in and did what they did
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Speaker 1: and took her, or just communicating innocently because Kimberly in Kentucky.
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Speaker 1: I met this incredible woman who was I guess thirteen
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Speaker 1: at the time. She was online talking to who she
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Speaker 1: thought was a little friend her age, turned out to
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Speaker 1: be a grown man that abducted her and held her
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Speaker 1: kidnapped in a dungeon for a period of time before
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Speaker 1: she was saved. And that story really shook me to
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Speaker 1: the core. So she could have been on one of
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Speaker 1: these apps like snap chap or What's Up, What's app
33:27
Speaker 1: There's so many of them, were just talk or kick
33:31
Speaker 1: there's a million of them, and thinking she's speaking to
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Speaker 1: somebody her own age when it turns out to be
33:37
Speaker 1: exactly the opposite. Uh, just got Morgan. I've heard not
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Speaker 1: only has the door been removed from its hinges, but
33:46
Speaker 1: police are also using drones and infrared devices to search
33:50
Speaker 1: woods all around. But Jo's got Morgan address Kimberly in Kentucky. Yeah,
33:58
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, I'm I'm really wondering. I'm really
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Speaker 1: wondering if there is some kind of of of trail
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Speaker 1: that has been left behind relative to this that can, uh,
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Speaker 1: that can tie somebody back to this event. Uh, We've
34:17
Speaker 1: got a as I've stated a tremendous amount of evidence
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Speaker 1: here that they're going to have to sift through. And also, uh,
34:25
Speaker 1: the FBI is now deeply embedded in this case, Nancy,
34:30
Speaker 1: and I can assure you they're bringing full force to
34:32
Speaker 1: bear here. Man, you're not kidding. What you don't want
34:36
Speaker 1: to say is the FEDS picking through your trash in
34:38
Speaker 1: the backyard. I've also learned that Jamie has a Facebook page.
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Speaker 1: Of course she does quote I love to dance at
34:47
Speaker 1: Christine's dance, jazz, ice, skating, volleyball, swim art, cross country
34:53
Speaker 1: track dance. She wrote that that on her Facebook page,
34:58
Speaker 1: and she filled it with photos of her elf with
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Speaker 1: a middle school sports team and wearing dance outfits. And
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Speaker 1: you know, Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina family lawyer is just
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Speaker 1: just like every other kid her age. The administrator there
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Speaker 1: at Barren Area School District said that she was a
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Speaker 1: sweet girl, a loyal friend, who loves to dance. She
35:23
Speaker 1: was a member of the cross country team and one
35:27
Speaker 1: time there was a question in a school assignment what
35:31
Speaker 1: would you do with a million dollars? And her answer
35:35
Speaker 1: was feed the hungry and give the rest to the poor.
35:40
Speaker 1: I mean her her Facebook. You get learn a lot
35:43
Speaker 1: from Facebook. You don't see her uh in a way
35:49
Speaker 1: her parents wouldn't like it. On her Facebook, you see
35:52
Speaker 1: her with family members, with writings about her parents. You know,
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Speaker 1: one of my most prized possessions is a poe him
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Speaker 1: Lucy wrote me to mom. I may even start crying
36:06
Speaker 1: as a matter of fact. And a picture John David
36:10
Speaker 1: once drew of me is up on the wall in
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Speaker 1: the kitchen, and if you look there on her Facebook,
36:17
Speaker 1: it's really hurting me to look at it. You see
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Speaker 1: photos of Jamie with a lot of family members, uh,
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Speaker 1: writings about her parents, family activities like at a pumpkin patch,
36:30
Speaker 1: And just in July, the mom writes to her happy
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Speaker 1: birthday to my daughter who was growing up to be
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Speaker 1: the sweetest and most kind hearted girl. I can't even
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Speaker 1: read the rest, Kathleen. It says, I love you to
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Speaker 1: the moon and back. Well, there are so many questions
36:48
Speaker 1: about this sweet little girl, and I tend to think
36:53
Speaker 1: that she was absolutely targeted. I tend to think that
36:57
Speaker 1: she may have gotten in over her head somewhere and
37:02
Speaker 1: didn't even realize it. I mean, just like we've talked
37:07
Speaker 1: about children communicating with somebody, they think is their age,
37:12
Speaker 1: and that person is that sexual predator. I tend to
37:17
Speaker 1: think that this sweet little girl was sweet little girl.
37:19
Speaker 1: I don't think she had a role in this, and
37:23
Speaker 1: it makes me very fat. I have a twelve year
37:25
Speaker 1: old little boy, and again you're the exception, and he's
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Speaker 1: on social media and I just can't even imagine that
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Speaker 1: this little girl had anything to do with this, nor
37:39
Speaker 1: did she have any ant happen. I'm just Kathleen, I'm
37:44
Speaker 1: just sick about it. This is what I know. This
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Speaker 1: is what's listed on her ambreller. She's missing from Baron, Wisconsin.
37:53
Speaker 1: She's just turned thirteen. She's five hundred pounds, green eyes straw,
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Speaker 1: very blonde. Straight. Here, guys, please help us bring this
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Speaker 1: little girl home alive seven one five, five three seven
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Speaker 1: thirty one zero six or toll free eight five five seven,
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Speaker 1: four four three eight seven nine eight five five seven
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Speaker 1: and four four three eight seven nine. Her mom and
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Speaker 1: dad can't help her now, but we can. Nancy Grace
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Speaker 1: Crime Story signing off, Goodbye friend,