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TKS Takeover! w/Dr. Meaghan Mobbs America's Safety and Security in a Changing World · That KEVIN Show

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Speaker 2: Well, Hello everyone, and thank you for joining that Kevin Show,
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Speaker 2: for you today. We will be talking defend spending, Iran, Ukraine, Venezuela,
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Speaker 2: religious freedom, electron, integrity, and more. I'm excited and I
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Speaker 2: hope you are too. But before we get to all
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Speaker 2: our incredible guests and experts today, I want to ask
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Speaker 2: you all a question. When you think of our safety
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Speaker 2: and security, what keeps you up at night? What scares
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Speaker 2: you the most? I get asked that question a lot.
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Speaker 2: What is the biggest threat to America, to our homes,
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Speaker 2: to our communities, to our way of life? What should
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Speaker 2: we care about? So to answer that question, let me
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Speaker 2: just quickly set the stage for you. So tragically, overnight
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Speaker 2: again Russia launched another massive wave of missiles and drones
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Speaker 2: across Ukraine. Entire families were killed, homes were completely wiped out.
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Speaker 2: And every time this happens, and someone in America inevitably asks,
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Speaker 2: but why are we still talking about Ukraine? And I
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Speaker 2: actually think that's the wrong question. The better question is
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Speaker 2: what kind of people have we become if we stop
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Speaker 2: talking about it? Because this really isn't about Ukraine, It's
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Speaker 2: about us, and that's what worries me.
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Speaker 7: See.
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Speaker 2: I've been to Ukraine more than thirty times since the
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Speaker 2: full scale invasion began. That's more frequent flyer myros and
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Speaker 2: I care to admit, and frankly, I would prefer to
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Speaker 2: use them somewhere with fewer incoming ballistic missiles and more
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Speaker 2: beaches and more sunshine. But people ask me all the time,
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Speaker 2: why do you keep going back? And then answer has
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Speaker 2: never really been about politics, It's always been about people.
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Speaker 2: I keep going back because I've watched a grandmother make
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Speaker 2: soup for complete strangers after the entire neighborhood around her
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Speaker 2: was destroyed. I've watched a young soldier with catastrophic injuries
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Speaker 2: apologize for not being able to stand up because he
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Speaker 2: wanted to shake my hand. I've met families who've spent
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Speaker 2: years searching for children Russia stole from them. I've watched
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Speaker 2: families wait for a phone call telling them their son
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Speaker 2: had finally been identified after dying thands of miles from
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Speaker 2: home defending a country that wasn't even his own. See
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Speaker 2: Outside of Independent Women. I also lead an organization, the
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Speaker 2: Archie Weamen Foundation, that supports more than two hundred and
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Speaker 2: fifty families of foreign volunteers from thirty three countries who
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Speaker 2: were killed defending Ukraine. Think about that for a minute.
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Speaker 2: Thirty three countries, different languages, different politics, different religions, different histories.
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Speaker 2: Yet every one of them decided that freedom somewhere else
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Speaker 2: was worth defending. Because blood has a remarkable way of
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Speaker 2: making strangers into family. That changes you. People sometimes assume that,
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Speaker 2: because I spend so much time talking about national security,
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Speaker 2: that what keeps me awake at night. Remember that was
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Speaker 2: the question what keeps you awake at night? That what
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Speaker 2: keeps me awake at night is maps in missile ranges.
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Speaker 2: But it's not what keeps me awake as names. It's
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Speaker 2: the names of children who haven't come home. It's the
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Speaker 2: names of fathers whose sons and daughters are still waiting
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Speaker 2: for them. It's the names that families are praying will
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Speaker 2: finally be returned. The older I get, the less interested,
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Speaker 2: I become an argument that reduce people to statistics. Civilization
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Speaker 2: dies that way, not all at once, one abstraction at
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Speaker 2: a time, one excuse out of time, one rationalization out
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Speaker 2: of time. You convince yourself that the numbers are too big,
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Speaker 2: but you've heard the story before that someone else will
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Speaker 2: deal with it until eventually you stop seeing humans all together.
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Speaker 2: And that's exactly what every tyrant in history has depended upon.
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Speaker 2: Here's something that Ukraine has taught me, though that I
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Speaker 2: never expected. Hope is an optimism. Hope is discipline. Hope
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Speaker 2: is the firefighter who runs into the building when everyone
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Speaker 2: else is running out. Hope is the mother who still
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Speaker 2: packs her child's backpack for school after a night spent
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Speaker 2: in a bomb shelter. Hope is the combat medic who
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Speaker 2: goes back because someone else still needs him. Hope is
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Speaker 2: choosing not to become the kind of person evil expects
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Speaker 2: you to. I spend enough time under air alarms and
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Speaker 2: missile attacks and tell you something else. Resilient isn't loud,
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Speaker 2: Resilience isn't dramatic. Most of the time, it looks like
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Speaker 2: ordinary people refusing to surrender their humanity because I don't
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Speaker 2: believe people are accidents. I believe they're made in the
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Speaker 2: image of God. That's true whether they're an American soldier,
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Speaker 2: a Ukrainian child, a police officer, or a grandmother making
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Speaker 2: coffee in the middle of a missile attack. And I
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Speaker 2: think that's where this connects to America. Supporting Ukraine was
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Speaker 2: never about charity. It was never about writing blank checks.
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Speaker 2: It was never about loving another country more than our own.
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Speaker 2: It was always about understanding that strength deters evil and
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Speaker 2: weakness invites it. History has never been shy about teaching
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Speaker 2: that lesson. Today, our adversaries coordinate more closely than any
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Speaker 2: point in decades. Russia, China, Iran, North Korea. They are
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Speaker 2: watching each other, They're learning from each other. They're testing
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Speaker 2: us together, not because they share an ideology, but because
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Speaker 2: they share an interest in weakening the United States and
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Speaker 2: the civilization we helped build in that we lead. So yes,
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Speaker 2: what happened overnight in Ukraine matters. It matters because innocent
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Speaker 2: families died. It matters because evil should never become ordinary.
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Speaker 2: It matters because every missile intercepted, prevented another family from
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Speaker 2: receiving the worst phone call imaginable. But it also matters
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Speaker 2: because the choices free societies make echo far beyond one battlefield.
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Speaker 2: Every generation is asked a question, not the same question,
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Speaker 2: but one worthy of its time. I think ours is this.
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Speaker 2: Do we still believe some things are worth defending, not
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Speaker 2: just with speeches, not just with hashtags, not just when
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Speaker 2: it's convenient, but when it's difficult, when it's expensive, when
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Speaker 2: we're tired, when we've rather changed the subject. I do
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Speaker 2: I believe, not because I'm naive, quite the opposite. I've
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Speaker 2: seen enough darkness to know how desperately the light matters.
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Speaker 2: I've seen enough death to treasure life more deeply, I've
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Speaker 2: seen enough curve to know that ordinary people are capable
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Speaker 2: of extraordinary things when they remember who they are. So
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Speaker 2: this morning, we pray for the families who woke up
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Speaker 2: to unimaginable loss. We pray for the first to responders
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Speaker 2: digging through rebel. We pray for the soldiers, our soldiers
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Speaker 2: standing another watch. We pray for peace, real peace, the
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Speaker 2: time secured by justice, protected by strength, and worthy of
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Speaker 2: the sacrifices already made. And then We get up, we
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Speaker 2: go to work, We raise our children well, we love
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Speaker 2: our neighbors, we tell the truth. We refuse to become
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Speaker 2: cynical because civilization isn't ultimately held together by governments. It's
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Speaker 2: held together by millions of ordinary people who decide every
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Speaker 2: single day that goodness is still worth choosing. That's the
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Speaker 2: lesson Ukraine has taught me, and it's one I know
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Speaker 2: America will never forget. So thank you for joining me today.
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Speaker 2: We have an amazing cast of characters, and today I'm
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Speaker 2: going to be joined by some of those ordinary people
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Speaker 2: doing extraordinary things. We have an incredible cast of characters
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Speaker 2: joining us over the next couple of hours, across a
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Speaker 2: variety of segments. We're going to have Carrie Philip Petti,
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Speaker 2: who's the executive director of the Vandenberg Coalition, talking about
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Speaker 2: the threats facing America. We're going to have Anna Pingle
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Speaker 2: from America First Policy Institute talking about election security, General
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Speaker 2: Keith Kellogg of America First Policy Institute talking about Iran,
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Speaker 2: Sarah Macon talking about religious freedom, Nate Mook talking about Venezuela,
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Speaker 2: and Lauren Gillom talking about Ukraine. But through it all,
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Speaker 2: you're going to hear stories of hope, of service, of sacrifice,
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Speaker 2: and about ultimately what makes America great. So please stay tuned.
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Speaker 2: We'll be right backer for the short break so you
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Speaker 2: can hear from all of these incredible Americans.
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Speaker 4: Here.
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Speaker 8: He is from New York's Ken.
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Speaker 5: Kevin McCulla.
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Speaker 2: Well, all right, so it's a beautiful day here in DC.
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Speaker 2: We have two blondes talking about foreign policy. Clearly I'm
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Speaker 2: not Kevin McCullough. This is doctor Megan Mobbs from Independent Women,
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Speaker 2: where I am the director for the Center for American
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Speaker 2: Safety and Security, taking over for Kevin today talking about
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Speaker 2: all things national security, foreign policy, and defense. And now
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Speaker 2: I have another expert joining us to try to understand
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Speaker 2: how we're going to address all the challenges unfolding related
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Speaker 2: to the defense of America. I have the brilliant, indomitable
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Speaker 2: Carrie Felip Petty. She is the executive director of the
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Speaker 2: Vandenberg Coalition. Carrie, thanks for joining us. I want to
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Speaker 2: just jump right in. So big things are happening in
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Speaker 2: Washington this week with foreign policy. We had NET and Yahoo,
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Speaker 2: we had Zelenski, We had a bunch of bills that
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Speaker 2: were being passed or being discussed. But what I really
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Speaker 2: want to jump in and talk about is about the
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Speaker 2: access of aggressors. So before I do that, why don't
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Speaker 2: you go ahead for our listeners, what is the access
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Speaker 2: of aggressors and what does that exactly means?
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Speaker 7: A great question, Megan, and it's great to be with
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Speaker 7: you as well as always. So the access of aggression,
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Speaker 7: sometimes people call it the access of resistance. It's basically
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Speaker 7: this idea that we're not simply facing one threat. We're
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Speaker 7: facing a coordinated effort by our adversaries, which usually includes Russia, China,
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Speaker 7: and Deran as sort of the lead components, but also
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Speaker 7: can include some of their junior partners, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela.
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Speaker 7: And the concept is not that it's this formal defense alliance.
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Speaker 7: It's very much not. So they're united based on one
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Speaker 7: single thing, which is that they want to dominate against
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Speaker 7: the United States. And this isn't just something that Americans say.
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Speaker 7: This is something that they say. You know, you go
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Speaker 7: back to twenty twenty two, there was the spokesman of
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Speaker 7: essentially the version of Iran Senate Foreign Relations count Committee
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Speaker 7: had said something that I thought was really telling, which
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Speaker 7: was he described that there was a quote new world
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Speaker 7: order that was arising, and that it consisted of a
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Speaker 7: triangle of powers, and he identified China, Russia, and Iran.
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Speaker 7: That we're focused on replacing the hegemony of the United
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Speaker 7: States and the West. So this is what they're trying
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Speaker 7: to do in their own words, And I think right
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Speaker 7: now there has been a concerted effort in Washington, DC
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Speaker 7: to wake up our policy makers to this threat.
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Speaker 2: So you just use the word hegemony, and I think
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Speaker 2: it's important because this is a converse. I I feel
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Speaker 2: like this happens in DC bubbles. We talk about hegemony,
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Speaker 2: we talk about multipularity, and these are things that the
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Speaker 2: average person isn't talking about or isn't thinking about. Can
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Speaker 2: you just really quick dive into what that means, what
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Speaker 2: does it mean to have or what it could potentially
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Speaker 2: mean to have a multipolar world? And why American supremacy
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Speaker 2: is so critically important for us.
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Speaker 7: For me, it ultimately goes back to what is the
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Speaker 7: best way that we can make sure that America stays safe, strong,
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Speaker 7: and free. Right now, we've all grown up in a
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Speaker 7: world where that's basically been the underlying assumption that the
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Speaker 7: free world, so to speak, has had more influence in
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Speaker 7: power thanks in part to the ingenuity and the economic
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Speaker 7: power of the United States and the military power of
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Speaker 7: the United States. So we've created this world that feels
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Speaker 7: a lot safer than it used to many many years ago.
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Speaker 7: In order for us to preserve that, we need to
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Speaker 7: make sure that the world continues to be free and
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Speaker 7: that we continue to have the ability to make our
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Speaker 7: own choices. So to me, it goes back in part
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Speaker 7: to what President Trump talks about when he talks about sovereignty.
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Speaker 7: This is a core component to his foreign policy and
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Speaker 7: what he means by sovereignty, and what we all need
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Speaker 7: to mean by sovereignty is not just our borders. That's
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Speaker 7: a huge part of it, but it also means being
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Speaker 7: free of the economic or military coercion of our adversaries,
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Speaker 7: so that we can make decisions that are good for America,
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Speaker 7: decisions that are being forced by those adversaries that are
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Speaker 7: good for them. And so, unfortunately, we found ourselves in
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Speaker 7: this world where we are dependent on China for a
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Speaker 7: huge percentage of things that we use every single day.
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Speaker 7: We are no longer adequately resourced in our military to
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Speaker 7: be able to ensure that we're free of that military
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Speaker 7: coercion from our adversaries.
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Speaker 8: So that's really what we're talking about.
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Speaker 7: It's about making sure that you and me and every
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Speaker 7: other American in this country is safe to live their
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Speaker 7: life according to the principles of our Declaration of Independence,
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Speaker 7: right according to those inalienable rights that we were granted
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Speaker 7: and that were recognized by our founding fathers.
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Speaker 2: You mentioned China, and I can't help but think of
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Speaker 2: doctor Fauci testifying this week on the Hill, and so
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Speaker 2: can you talk a little bit more about the danger
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Speaker 2: of overreliance on China, what's being done to correct it?
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Speaker 2: But how long is that going to take? What is
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Speaker 2: the reality of that situation.
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Speaker 7: This is what's actually a little bit scary when you
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Speaker 7: really dive into how dependent we are on them. Let's
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Speaker 7: see the pandemic as a perfect example, because to me,
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Speaker 7: that really doug reflect this question of sovereignty. So something
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Speaker 7: that started in China all of a sudden was impacting
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Speaker 7: the day to day life of everyday Americans. We were
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Speaker 7: forced into our homes, we were not allowed to socialize,
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Speaker 7: we're not allowed to see family members for years because
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Speaker 7: of something that took place in China. And it was
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Speaker 7: worsened by the fact that because of China's goal of
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Speaker 7: supplanting the United States. They were using their influence in
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Speaker 7: the World Health Organization to try to downplay the risk
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Speaker 7: and to make sure that they were not being criticized
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Speaker 7: for bringing this to the world. And so the pandemic
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Speaker 7: is actually a great example of how what happens somewhere
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Speaker 7: else ultimately comes to influence us here in the United States.
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Speaker 7: This is why I have been so focused on making
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Speaker 7: sure that we realize why Ukraine's defense and Israel's defense
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Speaker 7: matters so much to the United States, because these things
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Speaker 7: find a way of crossing into our borders, and the
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Speaker 7: pandemic is a great example of that. Now to your
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Speaker 7: question about how reliant we are on them, one of
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Speaker 7: the things that people focus on is the supply chain question,
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Speaker 7: where some of what they call critical minerals. So these
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Speaker 7: basically these materials that are necessary for things that we
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Speaker 7: use every day, So think about computers, think about your
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Speaker 7: cell phone. These are mostly either processed or mined in
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Speaker 7: China or buy the Chinese. And so that means in
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Speaker 7: order for us to continue to build our own economy,
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Speaker 7: we're dependent on China. There are some critical minerals, for example,
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Speaker 7: that China has ninety percent control over that are actually
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Speaker 7: used in our munitions and stockpiles, so we're dependent on
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Speaker 7: them for us to rebuild our military base. So this
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Speaker 7: is not a good position to be in. Internal to
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Speaker 7: the United States, We're seeing how they're increasing their risks
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Speaker 7: to us by buying farmland near core military center so
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Speaker 7: that they can spy on us. We're seeing how they
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Speaker 7: own a huge percentage of the supply chain for pharmaceuticals,
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Speaker 7: which can threaten the lives of Americans that are dependent
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Speaker 7: on those pharmaceuticals if they decide not to share them
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Speaker 7: with us. So I think one of the things that
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Speaker 7: this administration should be doing is looking at ways to
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Speaker 7: divorce our supply chain from China, which will require building
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Speaker 7: those supply chains with allies like Ukraine, with allies in
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Speaker 7: Latin America and so on, so that we can replace
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Speaker 7: that emphasis on the CCP, the Chinese Communist Party.
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Speaker 2: So it sounds like you're advocating for, you know, there's
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Speaker 2: this kind of access of aggressors or whatever you want
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Speaker 2: to want to call it, but that we should be
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Speaker 2: building our own really critical alliances around these different things.
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Speaker 2: Not not to say that obviously NATO is critically important.
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Speaker 2: You and I talk about this a lot, about the
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Speaker 2: importance of having NATO as robust as possible. The administration
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Speaker 2: has clearly demonstrated that by forcing a lot more investments
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Speaker 2: from some of the more reluctant NATO nations, if you will.
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Speaker 2: And we should be thinking about our security in terms
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Speaker 2: of bilateral relations as well, whether it's kind of these
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Speaker 2: new emergencies with Ukraine or other nations where we should
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Speaker 2: have those critical relationships. But my question is is Washington
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Speaker 2: actually taking this seriously. Are they beginning to treat these
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Speaker 2: countries as an interconnected strategic challenge rather than kind of
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Speaker 2: regional challenges or regional problems.
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Speaker 7: It's always a tendency to get a little bit myopic
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Speaker 7: when you're in government, and this happens in part because
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Speaker 7: of how government is structured. Right, So when you're in
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Speaker 7: I was in the State Department previously, and you have
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Speaker 7: these what they're called regional bureaus and functional bureaus, and
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Speaker 7: so each of them will sort of address so you'll
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Speaker 7: have the Bureau of Western Hemisphere Affairs, which deals with
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Speaker 7: the Western Hemisphere, and oftentimes that leads to the siloing
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Speaker 7: effect where you're only focused on one specific thing at
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Speaker 7: a time. I think the good news is, yes, most
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Speaker 7: policymakers are waking up to this threat in a more
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Speaker 7: serious way. I mean, we're seeing it reflected in the
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Speaker 7: twenty twenty seven NDAA, which really does highlight the importance
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Speaker 7: of improving our defense industrial base, building up our munition stockpiles,
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Speaker 7: increasing our coordination with Ukraine and Israel. Well, these are
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Speaker 7: all really important things. I do think we're not focusing
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Speaker 7: enough on let's call it the ideological and information operations
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Speaker 7: threat that's opposed by this alligance between Russia, China, and Iran,
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Speaker 7: where they're trying to influence how Americans think about their
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Speaker 7: own country. And I also think that we're just we're
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Speaker 7: not thinking sophisticated enough about the lessons that we can
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Speaker 7: learn from our allies who are fighting these wars on
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Speaker 7: the front lines, about what that will mean for future
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Speaker 7: military operations that the United States might have to get
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Speaker 7: involved in.
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Speaker 2: So this is something we talk about at Independent Women
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Speaker 2: a lot, which is kind of the battlefield of the
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Speaker 2: American mind, and how this is increasingly emerging both on
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Speaker 2: social media, driven by our adversaries, also driven by some
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Speaker 2: unfortunate bad actors, and that we have to take that seriously. So,
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Speaker 2: but what can be done there right without going into
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Speaker 2: some things like overregulation and constraining free speech. What could
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Speaker 2: actually be done here?
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Speaker 7: First of all, I think just calling it what it is
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Speaker 7: and making it clear that people realize, you know, China
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Speaker 7: ends more money on its propaganda operations than its fends
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Speaker 7: on its entire foreign ministry. That should horrify Americans because
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Speaker 7: it shows that they are deeply concerned, if they're deeply
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Speaker 7: invested in making sure that they can influence our perception.
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Speaker 7: We also know that the Russians are spending a huge
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Speaker 7: amount on this information operations. One thing that we can
20:22
Speaker 7: practically do is make sure that they don't have access
20:25
Speaker 7: to our bases, to our military operations by reducing what
20:28
Speaker 7: kind of land they can purchase so that they can't
20:30
Speaker 7: surveil us. That's one major component. But you're right, this
20:34
Speaker 7: that's up against a lot of concerns about freedom of
20:36
Speaker 7: speech and other kinds of operations that we care about
20:38
Speaker 7: in the United States. So this is why it's been
20:41
Speaker 7: so challenging to really address Perry.
20:44
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us to cover a lot in a
20:45
Speaker 2: short period of time. I hope to go you back
20:48
Speaker 2: stick around.
20:49
Speaker 6: For more fact Kevin. Next here he is from New York.
21:11
Speaker 8: That's act Kevin McCall.
21:16
Speaker 2: Well, unfortunately you don't have Kevin McCullough today, but you
21:19
Speaker 2: do have doctor Megan Mobbs, the director for the Center
21:22
Speaker 2: of American Safety and Security at Independent Women, guest filling
21:26
Speaker 2: in and hosting for Kevin. So we just had an
21:29
Speaker 2: incredible segment talking about the kind of threats abroad so Iran, China, Russia,
21:35
Speaker 2: and North Korea. But now we're going to talk about
21:38
Speaker 2: what's happening here at home. So joining us to talk
21:41
Speaker 2: about the Save America Act and election integrity is Anna Pingle,
21:45
Speaker 2: America First Policy Institute's deputy director for Secure Elections Policy
21:50
Speaker 2: and a visiting fellow at Independent Women. So Anna and
21:54
Speaker 2: a relatively rare presidential address. Just a few weeks ago,
21:58
Speaker 2: President Trump spoke about foreign election interference, but he also
22:02
Speaker 2: spoke about the Stave of America Act. But it seems
22:05
Speaker 2: like his goal of getting the Act passed and its
22:07
Speaker 2: entirety is unlikely to happen. And this seems like a
22:11
Speaker 2: pretty big tragedy. So we know that the Save America
22:15
Speaker 2: Act would require documentary proof of citizenship for federal voter registration.
22:20
Speaker 2: Why is citizenship verification such a fundamental safeguard and how
22:24
Speaker 2: can states implement it without creating unnecessary obstacles for eligible
22:28
Speaker 2: American voters? I, Megan, Well, thank you so much for
22:31
Speaker 2: having me on.
22:31
Speaker 9: I really appreciate this opportunity. And as you said, yes,
22:34
Speaker 9: the State of America Act would require documentary proof of citizenship.
22:39
Speaker 9: Citizenship ver verification is such a fundamental safeguard. This ensures
22:43
Speaker 9: that only citizens in the United States are casting ballots.
22:46
Speaker 9: It's an absolute pillar of fare and free elections. It
22:50
Speaker 9: means that the United States is safe from foreign interference
22:53
Speaker 9: in one aspect, which includes foreign.
22:55
Speaker 8: Nationals casting ballots.
22:56
Speaker 9: So to put this in perspective, I can't go to
22:58
Speaker 9: any other country and cast a ballot. I can't go
23:00
Speaker 9: to Germany, I can't go to France. I can't cast
23:02
Speaker 9: ballots there. It makes absolutely no sense that we lack
23:05
Speaker 9: the safeguards to prevent that exact issue here. And as
23:08
Speaker 9: the President mentioned in his speech, the Department of Homeland
23:11
Speaker 9: Security recently found I think the number was over two
23:14
Speaker 9: hundred and seventy eight thousand non citizens present on a
23:17
Speaker 9: handful of state voter roles. So that's just a handful.
23:20
Speaker 9: So extrapolating that data means there's most likely over a million,
23:24
Speaker 9: if not several million, currently present on the United States
23:27
Speaker 9: voter roles. And states can take action separate from the
23:30
Speaker 9: federal government. Some have already. States can pass legislation requiring
23:35
Speaker 9: documentary proof of citizenship. States can also this is really big,
23:38
Speaker 9: they can conduct regular voter role maintenance that they're actually
23:40
Speaker 9: federally required to do so to make sure that there
23:43
Speaker 9: aren't existing non citizens on the roles. And as you said,
23:46
Speaker 9: I think we're kind of balancing these two things that.
23:48
Speaker 8: Are really important.
23:49
Speaker 9: Number one, no eligible American voter should be unable to vote,
23:54
Speaker 9: and number two, no foreign national should be able to
23:57
Speaker 9: cast a ballot in an American election. So the way
23:59
Speaker 9: to ensure those two things is we have to make
24:01
Speaker 9: sure election officials, state legislators, and the state agency leads
24:05
Speaker 9: who are you in charge of helping people obtain passports,
24:08
Speaker 9: birth certificates, naturalization certificates. We don't want any barrier to
24:12
Speaker 9: access there. So we need to make sure that these
24:14
Speaker 9: officials are prepared to help American citizens who genuinely need
24:17
Speaker 9: support in that process getting those documents. Yeah, and I
24:21
Speaker 9: think that's that's a good balance of making sure on
24:24
Speaker 9: the state legislative side, no one's voting who shouldn't be voting,
24:28
Speaker 9: but also there's no barriers to accessuse.
24:30
Speaker 2: You bring it up in I mean, most critics will
24:33
Speaker 2: say that non citizen voting is already illegal and therefore
24:36
Speaker 2: these additional protections are simply unnecessary. But I feel like
24:40
Speaker 2: what you're trying to say is that it's not enough
24:42
Speaker 2: for something to be prohibited, there has to be a
24:45
Speaker 2: reliable system for detecting and preventing it. Well, but what
24:48
Speaker 2: is that You mentioned it a little bit, but it
24:51
Speaker 2: sounds like this isn't as rare as some critics will
24:53
Speaker 2: make it out to be.
24:54
Speaker 8: No, and you're exactly right, Megan.
24:56
Speaker 9: I mean, breaking into somebody's house is also already illegal,
24:59
Speaker 9: and yet somehow still happens. So just because something is
25:01
Speaker 9: illegal doesn't mean it's impossible, and also doesn't mean that
25:04
Speaker 9: there's someone who won't do it if there's a proper incentive.
25:07
Speaker 9: So of course there has to be a reliable system
25:10
Speaker 9: for detection and prevention. I mean, like we have home
25:12
Speaker 9: security systems. Burglars exists, so they're going to burglar, So
25:16
Speaker 9: we have protections that right now, it's very hard to
25:19
Speaker 9: detect non citizens on voter roles because states are fighting
25:22
Speaker 9: tooth and nail to keep voter rolls away from DHS
25:25
Speaker 9: and even refusing to use the federal resources that screen
25:28
Speaker 9: for non citizens. So I think a huge part of
25:32
Speaker 9: prevention is states complying with federal requests to help with
25:37
Speaker 9: voter role cleanup, and then also taking the initiative to
25:40
Speaker 9: use the federal resources like the SAVE database, which can
25:43
Speaker 9: proactively screen for non citizens, in addition to enacting state
25:47
Speaker 9: level documentary.
25:48
Speaker 8: Proof of citizenship at the point of registration.
25:50
Speaker 2: And so one of the things that the President talked
25:52
Speaker 2: about too. So even outside of kind of the internal
25:54
Speaker 2: challenges that we all just mentioned, you know that it's
25:57
Speaker 2: China has you know, acquired a vast amount of American
26:01
Speaker 2: voter data. Why is that so concerning? What can they
26:04
Speaker 2: do with that?
26:05
Speaker 8: Yeah, this is really concerning.
26:07
Speaker 9: So they specifically access data from over two hundred and
26:11
Speaker 9: twenty million American voters from every single state. So odds are,
26:15
Speaker 9: if you're listening, they have at some point hack, stolen,
26:17
Speaker 9: or bought your data. This means your voter registration data,
26:21
Speaker 9: your voter history, all of that information is vulnerable, So
26:25
Speaker 9: why does this matter. Well, they could use this to
26:28
Speaker 9: conduct targeted cyber attacks on specific jurisdictions that they want
26:32
Speaker 9: to infiltrate in order to affect an election outcome. There
26:36
Speaker 9: are certain jurisdictions in the United States that have like
26:40
Speaker 9: more of a disproportionate impact on presidential election outcomes in
26:44
Speaker 9: swing states swing jurisdictions, so it's kind of a targeted
26:47
Speaker 9: list there. They could also use this information to generate
26:50
Speaker 9: social media information warfare. They have done this in the past,
26:53
Speaker 9: targeting specific individuals demographics with specific tailored propaganda to influence
26:59
Speaker 9: voting patterns are just even so national divide and division.
27:03
Speaker 9: They could also definitely create fraudulent registrations, especially in stays
27:07
Speaker 9: with lax requirements on documentation at the point of registration
27:12
Speaker 9: or online registration. They could also request live ballots on
27:17
Speaker 9: behalf of voters who never realized they had done this.
27:21
Speaker 9: In Maryland, where I used to live, for example, if
27:24
Speaker 9: you go to vote in person, but you've already had
27:26
Speaker 9: a mail ballot cast in your name, it's actually the
27:29
Speaker 9: mail ballot that counts over your in.
27:31
Speaker 8: Person decision, which is crazy.
27:33
Speaker 9: But those are a couple examples of ways that China
27:35
Speaker 9: could really manipulate his data.
27:37
Speaker 2: Wow. Well, Anna, thank you so much for highlighting all
27:39
Speaker 2: of the significant challenges related to this. This is why
27:41
Speaker 2: it's so critically important for America to have safe, secure,
27:45
Speaker 2: free elections in which only Americans are voting. Thank you
27:49
Speaker 2: for joining Anna and look for her work at Independent Women,
27:51
Speaker 2: but also in America First Policy Institute.
27:54
Speaker 8: Thank you so much for having me.
28:09
Speaker 5: Here.
28:09
Speaker 8: He is from New York.
28:17
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not Kevin McCullough. But i am doctor Megan Mobbs,
28:21
Speaker 2: Center director for the American Safety and Security Center at
28:24
Speaker 2: Independent Women. And now we're going to talk about Iran,
28:28
Speaker 2: and i'd like to welcome distinguished national security expert, co
28:32
Speaker 2: Chair for American Security at AFPI, former Assistant to the
28:36
Speaker 2: President and Special Presidential Envoy for Ukraine, who also happens
28:40
Speaker 2: to be my dad, retired Lieutenant jode Ill Keith Kellogg.
28:43
Speaker 2: Thanks Dad for joining me today. A whole lot is
28:46
Speaker 2: happening with Iran right now.
28:49
Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks Megan for having me today. It's great to
28:51
Speaker 5: be on the show.
28:52
Speaker 2: So we have this kind of decision to pause strikes
28:56
Speaker 2: on Iran that you know, President Trump came out and
28:58
Speaker 2: said we're going to take a break, and then Iran
29:00
Speaker 2: launched fallistic missiles toward American forces in Jordan, even after
29:05
Speaker 2: President Trump said We're not going to do this. What
29:08
Speaker 2: does that tell you about how Tehran interprets restraint and
29:12
Speaker 2: what response is necessary to restore deterrence without allowing Iran
29:16
Speaker 2: to dictate the pace of this conflict or how it's
29:19
Speaker 2: going to end.
29:20
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a great question, and I really fault the administration,
29:24
Speaker 5: even though I like what he's done and the fact
29:26
Speaker 5: that he said the first thing the president should be doing,
29:29
Speaker 5: which is protect future generations against enriching uranium and going
29:33
Speaker 5: to a nuclear weapon potentially that's out there. But I
29:36
Speaker 5: think they're kind of approaching it wrong in the sense
29:39
Speaker 5: that I don't think they're really reading these guys right,
29:42
Speaker 5: and I think that we make a mistake by doing that.
29:45
Speaker 5: And let me explain that when you look at their
29:47
Speaker 5: foreign minister or Rachi, he's the guy that wrote The
29:51
Speaker 5: Power of Diplomacy and how do you do that? And
29:53
Speaker 5: it's they're basically their book how to do it. It's
29:56
Speaker 5: like going to a bizarre and buying a rug, and
29:59
Speaker 5: they call it market place diplomacy, which is a give
30:02
Speaker 5: and take, and unless you've bought a rugg in the
30:03
Speaker 5: Middle East, you really don't understand it. And they are
30:07
Speaker 5: not typical negotiators. They negotiate hard in the long way
30:11
Speaker 5: delay like closing the deal, and we let them hang
30:15
Speaker 5: around for a long time as a mistake. It's sort
30:17
Speaker 5: of like in sports, if you've let a really inferior
30:21
Speaker 5: team hang around in football to the fourth quarter, you
30:25
Speaker 5: can get a bad break and all of a sudden
30:27
Speaker 5: you're losing, not winning. And it's the same thing here.
30:30
Speaker 5: And it's not the size of the strength, it's the
30:32
Speaker 5: fact that they're absorbing this punishment. They'll continue to absorb
30:36
Speaker 5: the kinetic strikes. It doesn't really bother them. Look I
30:39
Speaker 5: go back to what the British did in World War Two.
30:42
Speaker 5: They absorb those strikes from the German during the Bushcraig
30:44
Speaker 5: during on London and survived it to the next day.
30:48
Speaker 5: And we can't let them survive. So what does that mean.
30:51
Speaker 5: It means that we have to do something differently, going
30:53
Speaker 5: after strategic objectives into the future. The President has to
30:57
Speaker 5: make that call. It's his decision. I think his advisors
31:01
Speaker 5: have to give him that and then he's got to
31:02
Speaker 5: take the risk to do it if he wants to
31:04
Speaker 5: close this out. If he doesn't, I think the Iranians
31:07
Speaker 5: are going to keep hanging around to the fourth quarter
31:10
Speaker 5: and then we don't know where it's going to go.
31:12
Speaker 9: Megan.
31:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, and certainly we don't want them hanging around toward
31:14
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter. And you know, you and I talk
31:16
Speaker 2: a lot about that. Ultimately, you know, America needs to win.
31:19
Speaker 2: We don't want Iran to compromise. We want Iran to capitulate.
31:23
Speaker 2: But what we're seeing now is that the United States
31:26
Speaker 2: and Saudi Arabia just conducted these joint strikes against Iran
31:29
Speaker 2: back forces any Iraq. Do you think this could be
31:32
Speaker 2: the foundation of a stronger regional security architecture. What does
31:35
Speaker 2: it mean that this has just happened.
31:37
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it shows is true colors of Iran,
31:41
Speaker 5: and the fact is you can never trust these guys,
31:44
Speaker 5: and that the Revolutionary Revolutionary Guards are in control. They're
31:48
Speaker 5: a theocratic government that report to the Supreme Leader. They're
31:52
Speaker 5: not like the regular army at all, and in fact,
31:54
Speaker 5: they've got this leverage they're trying to use against it.
31:56
Speaker 5: So what it means to the future when you look
31:58
Speaker 5: at a security app I think it's it's NATO like
32:03
Speaker 5: and I hate to use a word NATO like, but
32:05
Speaker 5: they need to come together. They've got the money to
32:07
Speaker 5: do it, but do they have the will to do
32:09
Speaker 5: it against another you know, Arab neighbor's that has proved
32:14
Speaker 5: to be pretty hard going with them, and then I
32:17
Speaker 5: think they need to do that, and I think they will.
32:20
Speaker 5: I think President Trump said to them as well, we
32:23
Speaker 5: need to expand the Abraham Accords from the four countries
32:26
Speaker 5: that are currently there and will in the future and
32:28
Speaker 5: make it a security pack. They're That's going to take
32:30
Speaker 5: a lot of work, I know that, but that's what
32:33
Speaker 5: you want to develop now. I think the hope is
32:35
Speaker 5: working diplomatically, and I give great credit the administration for
32:39
Speaker 5: trying to do something diplomatically, but I think we're the
32:42
Speaker 5: end of the rope there and we needed something to
32:44
Speaker 5: do something different. And I think the Arab allies that
32:47
Speaker 5: are there will support us in doing that because they're
32:50
Speaker 5: getting punished as well. You know, Jordan will, Saudry, Arabia will.
32:53
Speaker 5: We know the Imradis will because they've fought with us
32:56
Speaker 5: in Afghanistan. So I think it's there. But I don't
33:00
Speaker 5: think anybody knows what does it look like? And I
33:02
Speaker 5: think that's what we need to develop and make it.
33:04
Speaker 5: And I hate to use natoike because it's not NATO like,
33:07
Speaker 5: but it's a defense Cooperation Act that we only talk
33:11
Speaker 5: about but we don't have hard print in it. And
33:14
Speaker 5: going into the future, I think it needs to be done.
33:17
Speaker 5: Who knows what it's going to look like.
33:18
Speaker 2: Well, you've just said, and you've said it a couple
33:19
Speaker 2: of times, that something needs to be done differently. So look,
33:22
Speaker 2: let's wave a magic wand you are in charge. What
33:25
Speaker 2: would you do or what would your recommendation be to
33:27
Speaker 2: the president to do differently?
33:28
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I've said on various newscasts. I think, look,
33:30
Speaker 5: you have to do something strategically, and that means taking
33:34
Speaker 5: something that is really value to them that you can
33:37
Speaker 5: either give back or not give back. That's when I've
33:39
Speaker 5: talked repeatedly about carg Island, which is ninety percent of
33:43
Speaker 5: their economy. Or by the way, there's a secondary effect
33:45
Speaker 5: because the vast majority of that oil that has moved
33:48
Speaker 5: from Carg Island that is exported doesn't come to the
33:50
Speaker 5: United States, goes to China. So you can be China
33:53
Speaker 5: into the play as well, and then further to the east,
33:56
Speaker 5: I'd go after places like the Rock Island in the
33:59
Speaker 5: Strait or remove which isn't a command and control facility.
34:02
Speaker 5: Now that would that meaning a physical seizure, Yes, it would.
34:05
Speaker 5: Does that means truly boots on the ground, Really not,
34:08
Speaker 5: because I think boots on the ground to me is
34:10
Speaker 5: like invading run proper, and you don't have to do that.
34:13
Speaker 5: But you've got to be willing to take that rick
34:16
Speaker 5: to do something different, because bombing and alone is not
34:19
Speaker 5: going to do it. I remember in the first Gulf War,
34:22
Speaker 5: I sat on the border between Iraq and Kuwait and
34:25
Speaker 5: we saw thirty days of bombing. They were supposed to
34:28
Speaker 5: get us to some time culmination, and it didn't. It
34:31
Speaker 5: took us crossing the Burnham into Iraq and within forty
34:34
Speaker 5: eight hours I was sitting on the Fragis River. Within
34:37
Speaker 5: one hundred hours, they said we're done with this. And
34:39
Speaker 5: they didn't even know during the peace talks, they didn't
34:42
Speaker 5: even know they were they were that far forward. So
34:44
Speaker 5: you have to do something dramatic, you have to do
34:46
Speaker 5: something that's substantial. Does it mean there's risk involved, of
34:50
Speaker 5: course there is, but it's called a war. And I had.
34:53
Speaker 5: I think the president needs to go to the American
34:55
Speaker 5: people and talk to them. You know, I remember when
34:57
Speaker 5: Richard Nixon was in the Vietnam War. He went to
35:01
Speaker 5: United to the people of the United States on fourteen
35:04
Speaker 5: different occasions, explain that war. I think the president needs
35:07
Speaker 5: to do that. I think you see all these negative
35:10
Speaker 5: things happening with the president evolving the war with Iran.
35:14
Speaker 5: We'll go to the people, tell them what you're doing.
35:16
Speaker 5: Explain it to him. Is there are going to be
35:18
Speaker 5: thirty to forty percent that are not going to agree
35:20
Speaker 5: with the course there are that's politics. We just disregard that.
35:23
Speaker 5: Look at America, Middle America, they want the deal. We'll
35:26
Speaker 5: be closed, and I think we need to do something different.
35:28
Speaker 8: Than we're doing right now.
35:30
Speaker 2: Well, what a great way to end this. Like you, Dad,
35:33
Speaker 2: I am inherently a deep believer in the American people
35:36
Speaker 2: that they will always rally when it matters most Thank
35:39
Speaker 2: you for joining us, Thank you for providing your insights,
35:41
Speaker 2: and hopefully you'll be able to join us next time
35:43
Speaker 2: when I guess host again.
35:44
Speaker 5: Thank you, Megan, thanks having stick around for more that Kevin.
35:51
Speaker 10: Next serving it up. There's a no drink from Animal.
36:06
Speaker 8: If it's said Katherine the show, Well, that.
36:12
Speaker 2: Was a jam packed hour. I am doctor Megan Mobs
36:15
Speaker 2: filling in for Kevin McCullough while he is on a
36:18
Speaker 2: much deserved and much earned vacation.
36:21
Speaker 8: Wow.
36:21
Speaker 2: And that hour we covered a lot of ground. We
36:24
Speaker 2: talked about the importance of recognizing the access of aggressors Iran, China,
36:30
Speaker 2: North Korea, Russia working against our interests, both from a
36:33
Speaker 2: resource perspective but also from an interference perspective. We had
36:38
Speaker 2: Anna Pingle join us talking about election integrity, election safety,
36:42
Speaker 2: and security to Save America Act. We had Carrie Philippetti
36:46
Speaker 2: from Vanderberg Coalition talking about those defense necessities. And then
36:51
Speaker 2: we wrapped it up with General Keith Kellogg talking to
36:54
Speaker 2: us about what's happening in Iran and why we have
36:57
Speaker 2: to ultimately bring this to a conclusion a peace foo
37:01
Speaker 2: strength perspective, but also encouraging the President of the United
37:04
Speaker 2: States to address the American people and tell them why
37:07
Speaker 2: it's critically necessary that we go hard, we go strong,
37:11
Speaker 2: and we ensure that the future generations of Americans are
37:14
Speaker 2: free from the threat of a nuclear missile in Iran.
37:18
Speaker 2: But all of that that's a bit heavy, So I
37:20
Speaker 2: want to bring in some good news. I am sure
37:23
Speaker 2: that many of you seen the viral video of sixteen
37:26
Speaker 2: year old Writer Williams, a rookie California State Parks lifeguard,
37:30
Speaker 2: sprinting into towering surf to save a ten year old
37:33
Speaker 2: boy who had been swept into dangerous waves. If you
37:37
Speaker 2: haven't seen this video, my gosh, I encourage you to
37:39
Speaker 2: google it check it out.
37:41
Speaker 8: But in this video you.
37:42
Speaker 2: See eighteen dive into eight to ten foot serf. It's
37:46
Speaker 2: in this amazing scene of these waves are raging around him,
37:50
Speaker 2: fighting them to hold on to a little boy for
37:53
Speaker 2: nearly two minutes, and he refuses to let go until
37:56
Speaker 2: another lifeguard comes to help bring them both safely to
37:59
Speaker 2: ashore and the boy and the boy survived. I mean,
38:02
Speaker 2: it's a miracle. The boy survived because a teenager decided
38:05
Speaker 2: someone else's life mattered more than his own comfort or
38:08
Speaker 2: even his own safety. And now everyone is calling him
38:11
Speaker 2: a hero. He is a hero or a right and
38:13
Speaker 2: he's even going to the White House to be commended
38:16
Speaker 2: for his bravery. But here's what struck me the most.
38:19
Speaker 2: So when reporters asked Writer about it, he didn't talk
38:22
Speaker 2: about being brave. He basically shrugged and said, hey, I
38:25
Speaker 2: was doing my job. And that answer tells me everything
38:28
Speaker 2: I need to know about the kind of young man
38:30
Speaker 2: he is. Because real courage rarely announces itself. It doesn't
38:33
Speaker 2: stop to admire itself. It doesn't ask where someone else
38:36
Speaker 2: is filming. It sees a need and it moves. And
38:40
Speaker 2: the thing is, I've spent much of my life around
38:42
Speaker 2: people like that, soldiers, firefighters, policemen, combat medics, special operators, moms, dads.
38:48
Speaker 2: The public often thinks courage is fearlessness, but it isn't.
38:52
Speaker 2: Courage is action despite fear. It's training, meeting character at
38:56
Speaker 2: exactly the right moment. Because here's the reality. Didn't become
39:00
Speaker 2: a hero when he jumped into that water. He became
39:03
Speaker 2: capable of heroism long before anyone ever needed saving. His
39:07
Speaker 2: parents raised him, his coaches disciplined him, his instructors trained him.
39:12
Speaker 2: He spent years learning how to respond under pressure so
39:14
Speaker 2: that when that moment came, instinct took over instead of panic.
39:19
Speaker 2: His father, a retired firefighter, said, this was the culmination
39:22
Speaker 2: of years of preparation. That is something our culture desperately
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Speaker 2: needs to remember.
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Speaker 7: We don't rise to the occasion.
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Speaker 2: Most of the time we fall to the level of
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Speaker 2: our preparation. Character isn't built during the crisis, it's revealed
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Speaker 2: by it. Because you know, one of the greatest lies
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Speaker 2: we tell ourselves today is that ordinary people can't make
39:41
Speaker 2: an extraordinary difference. But writer disproved that in less than
39:45
Speaker 2: two minutes, ordinary Americans quietly doing extraordinary things. So congratulations
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39:56
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39:59
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40:02
Speaker 2: us something we don't nearly get enough of these days,
40:05
Speaker 2: a reason to believe that the next generation is going
40:08
Speaker 2: to be just fine. In fact, maybe even better than
40:11
Speaker 2: we think. After this break, we're going to be joined
40:14
Speaker 2: again by a number of experts that are going to
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Speaker 2: give us commentary on Venezuela, on Ukraine, and we're going
40:21
Speaker 2: to talk about what it means to be a woman
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Speaker 2: in the West and why it's so important to recognize
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Speaker 2: that the West is best for women and that the
40:31
Speaker 2: best is yet to come. Again. This is doctor Megan Mobs,
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40:38
Speaker 2: at Independent Women. We're going to take a short break
40:41
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Speaker 2: Well, everybody, welcome back. I'm obviously not Kevin McCullough. But
42:17
Speaker 2: I am doctor Megan Mobs, and I am the director
42:20
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42:25
Speaker 2: and I'm filling in for Kevin while he is out
42:27
Speaker 2: on a much needed break. We are entering the second
42:31
Speaker 2: hour right now. The previous hour was jam packed. We
42:35
Speaker 2: covered everything from looking at the access of aggressors. Carrie
42:39
Speaker 2: Philip Petty from the Vandenberg Coalition gave us an overview
42:43
Speaker 2: on how Iran, China, North Korea, and Russia are conspiring
42:48
Speaker 2: against the United States of America, why it's so important
42:51
Speaker 2: that we began to look at them as a true
42:54
Speaker 2: coordinated access even if their ideologies are different, and what
42:58
Speaker 2: America must do to prepare for the emerging threats around us.
43:02
Speaker 2: We had Anna Pingle from America First Policy Institute, she's
43:06
Speaker 2: also a visiting fellow at Independent Women, talking about election integrity,
43:10
Speaker 2: election safety and security, and foreign interference in our elections
43:15
Speaker 2: and why it's so necessary that our elections are safe, secure, free,
43:20
Speaker 2: and that every American citizen is capable of voting in
43:24
Speaker 2: those elections. And then we wrapped it up with General
43:27
Speaker 2: Keith Kellogg from the America First Policy Institute talking about
43:30
Speaker 2: what's happening in Iran, the necessity of peace through strength,
43:35
Speaker 2: and why President Trump has to go hard so we
43:38
Speaker 2: can finally go home and ensure that Iran does not
43:42
Speaker 2: have a nuclear weapon, that we secure the future safety
43:45
Speaker 2: and security and stability of the Middle East, but we
43:47
Speaker 2: in fact secure the safety and stability of the American
43:51
Speaker 2: people by making sure a theocratic regime that chance death
43:54
Speaker 2: to America doesn't have the ability to in fact deliver
43:58
Speaker 2: death to the American homeland. So here we are now
44:02
Speaker 2: again at top of the hour, leaping into another great
44:05
Speaker 2: segment where we're going to be talking about more challenges
44:09
Speaker 2: facing America, but also more opportunities. We'll have Nate Mook
44:12
Speaker 2: joining us talking about Venezuela, Lauren Gione talking to us
44:16
Speaker 2: about Ukraine, and then we'll have Sarah macin joining us
44:19
Speaker 2: talking about religious freedom and what the Trump administration is
44:23
Speaker 2: doing to help secure religious freedom around the world. But
44:27
Speaker 2: before we do that, we're going to talk a little
44:29
Speaker 2: bit about why women and girls are leaving America or
44:33
Speaker 2: talking about leaving in America, and why that's so dangerous
44:37
Speaker 2: for women and girls to hate the country that they
44:39
Speaker 2: live in. So at independent women we have the courage
44:42
Speaker 2: to name biological reality, we call it abuse, and remind
44:46
Speaker 2: women and girls of their civilizational inheritance. And that last
44:50
Speaker 2: part seems to matter a whole lot these days. So
44:53
Speaker 2: many women and girls don't seem to understand the uniqueness
44:57
Speaker 2: of this point in history. They take for granted our
44:59
Speaker 2: right and our role. They don't see opportunity, They unfortunately
45:03
Speaker 2: see oppression. But you just have to ask one simple question.
45:07
Speaker 2: If you are a woman, and if you were born
45:09
Speaker 2: a woman anywhere in human history, when and where would
45:13
Speaker 2: you choose to be born. It's a remarkably simple question,
45:16
Speaker 2: and yet the answer should tell us everything about the
45:19
Speaker 2: moment we're living through. Because despite everything that some of
45:22
Speaker 2: our young women and girls are being told, despite the
45:25
Speaker 2: endless refrain that America is oppressive, that what Western civilization
45:29
Speaker 2: is fundamentally misogynistic, that our history is little more than
45:32
Speaker 2: a catalog of injustice, the overwhelming majority of us would
45:36
Speaker 2: make exactly the same choice. We would choose to be
45:39
Speaker 2: born here in America. We would choose to be born
45:42
Speaker 2: now in America, not because America is perfect, not because
45:46
Speaker 2: the West has never failed, but because nowhere else, at
45:49
Speaker 2: no other time in history, has a woman enjoyed more
45:52
Speaker 2: legal protection, greater opportunity, more personal freedom, or more agency
45:58
Speaker 2: over her own life than she does in the modern West.
46:01
Speaker 2: But I worry. I worry that we're raising a generation
46:04
Speaker 2: of young women who have inherited the greatest expansion of
46:07
Speaker 2: female freedom the world has ever known without being taught
46:10
Speaker 2: where it came from. Because the thing is, ladies and gentlemen,
46:14
Speaker 2: freedom doesn't emerge naturally. Human dignity is, unfortunately not the
46:19
Speaker 2: historical default. Equality under the law isn't inevitable. These things
46:24
Speaker 2: are the exception, they're not the rule. For most of
46:27
Speaker 2: human history, women were property, marriages were transactions, education was unavailable,
46:34
Speaker 2: political rights didn't exist, and physical safety depended almost entirely
46:39
Speaker 2: on the character of the men around you. Tragically, today,
46:43
Speaker 2: millions of women still live that reality. In Afghanistan, girls
46:47
Speaker 2: are denied in education, and Iran women are beaten and
46:50
Speaker 2: killed for showing their hair. In parts of Africa and
46:53
Speaker 2: the Middle East, child marriage remains common. In China, the
46:58
Speaker 2: state dictates how many children and families can have, and
47:01
Speaker 2: little girls pay the price through selks, selective abortion, and abandonment.
47:05
Speaker 2: In Russia, domestic violence protections have been weakened, while the
47:09
Speaker 2: state consumes generation after generation of young men for imperial ambition.
47:13
Speaker 2: These aren't ancient stories, they're today's headlines, which brings me
47:18
Speaker 2: to what I believe is one of the greatest lives
47:20
Speaker 2: we've told young women. We've taught them to confuse the
47:23
Speaker 2: imperfections of the West with the nature of the West.
47:26
Speaker 2: Those are not the same thing. The civilization should absolutely
47:30
Speaker 2: be judged by its failures, and we have failed, but
47:33
Speaker 2: it should also be judged by whether it possesses the
47:35
Speaker 2: ability to correct them. That's the genius of the West.
47:39
Speaker 2: The abolition movement emerged here, women's suffrage emerged here, civil
47:44
Speaker 2: rights expanded here, Religious liberty flourished here, Scientific discovery advanced
47:49
Speaker 2: here the idea that every person possesses inherent dignity, not
47:54
Speaker 2: because the state grants it, but because our rights come
47:57
Speaker 2: from God. That idea transforms the world. And who benefited
48:02
Speaker 2: from that transformation Women more than almost anyone, which is
48:07
Speaker 2: why I find it so remarkable that we're teaching young
48:09
Speaker 2: women to despise the very civilization that made their freedom possible.
48:14
Speaker 2: At Independent Women, We've spent years studying this question, and
48:17
Speaker 2: here's what we've concluded. Women are the Canary and the
48:21
Speaker 2: coal mine. Want to know whether a society is becoming
48:24
Speaker 2: freer or more tyrannical, don't start by looking at its GDP,
48:29
Speaker 2: look at its women. Can they speak freely? Can they
48:32
Speaker 2: worship freely? Can they choose their husbands? Can they inherit property?
48:36
Speaker 2: Can they pursue an education? Can they criticize their government
48:39
Speaker 2: without disappearing? Can they raise children according to their conscience?
48:43
Speaker 2: Can they walk down the street without fearing the morality police.
48:48
Speaker 2: Answer those questions and you'll know everything you need to
48:51
Speaker 2: know about the health of a civilization. The story of
48:55
Speaker 2: imperfect people who built the freest civilization that the world
48:59
Speaker 2: has ever known. The story of women who didn't just
49:02
Speaker 2: demand rights, but built schools, hospitals, churches, charities, businesses, communities,
49:10
Speaker 2: and families. The story of a civilization that believed rights
49:14
Speaker 2: came from God and therefore can never legitimately be taken
49:17
Speaker 2: away by kings or by governments. That's the inheritance we've received,
49:22
Speaker 2: and if we're wise, it'll be the inheritance we pass on.
49:26
Speaker 2: Because the future of the West won't be decided only
49:28
Speaker 2: in congress or on battlefields. It will be decided in
49:32
Speaker 2: our living rooms around our kitchen tables, in classrooms, in churches,
49:37
Speaker 2: in families, and whether we have the courage to tell
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Speaker 2: our daughters the truth. You were born into the greatest
49:44
Speaker 2: civilization in history to be a woman. Don't squander it.
49:48
Speaker 2: Strengthen it, because the women who come after you are
49:51
Speaker 2: depending on it. So again, I'm doctor Megan Mobbs, the
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Speaker 2: director for the Center of American Safety and Security at
49:57
Speaker 2: Independent Women Building, in for Kevin call It today while
50:00
Speaker 2: he is on a much deserved and much earned break.
50:03
Speaker 2: We had a jam packed first hour talking about all
50:07
Speaker 2: things American safety and security, from the access of aggressors
50:10
Speaker 2: like Iran, Russia, North Korea, and China, to securing our elections,
50:15
Speaker 2: to making sure our elections are secure, free, safe, fair,
50:19
Speaker 2: and then talking about what's happening in the Middle East
50:21
Speaker 2: and Iran and why it's so critical that the President
50:24
Speaker 2: does demonstrate peace through strength. Please stay tuned for this
50:28
Speaker 2: next hour. We have an incredible group of guests joining
50:30
Speaker 2: us talking about religious freedom, what's happening in Venezuela after
50:34
Speaker 2: those devastating earthquakes, and what's happening on the ground in Ukraine.
50:38
Speaker 2: So stay tuned after the short break and we're going
50:41
Speaker 2: to jump right.
50:41
Speaker 11: Back in.
50:54
Speaker 4: Here.
50:56
Speaker 8: He is from New York.
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Speaker 6: That's act.
51:04
Speaker 2: Well, we don't have Kevin McCullough from New York today,
51:07
Speaker 2: but we do have doctor Megan Mobs from Washington, d
51:10
Speaker 2: C Center, director for the Center for American Safety and
51:13
Speaker 2: Security at Independent Women. Thanks for joining us today, and
51:17
Speaker 2: we're back joined by another amazing guest, Sarah Macan. Sarah,
51:22
Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining us. You are a
51:24
Speaker 2: human rights advocate, a filmmaker, or former US government official
51:28
Speaker 2: with deep expertise and national security, foreign policy, and international
51:33
Speaker 2: religious freedom. We're going to have an amazing conversation today.
51:36
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. Thank you for having me, Meghan.
51:39
Speaker 2: I appreciate it, Doctor Mobbs, I like doctor met Thank you,
51:43
Speaker 2: thank you very much. Well, you know, we just opened
51:46
Speaker 2: this segment talking about how, you know, women are the
51:49
Speaker 2: canary in the coal mine in terms of understanding if
51:52
Speaker 2: a society is safe and free and secure. But you've
51:56
Speaker 2: used this this kind of canary in the coal mine
51:58
Speaker 2: in a different way in your work. Can you tell
52:00
Speaker 2: us a little bit about that? Sure? Yeah, thank you, Yeah,
52:03
Speaker 2: I appreciated what you said.
52:05
Speaker 11: I think one of the other canaries in the coal mine,
52:08
Speaker 11: if there were two is one of the most basic
52:13
Speaker 11: freedoms that a person can have, and that is the
52:16
Speaker 11: freedom to practice their faith, the thing that is most
52:20
Speaker 11: core to their identity.
52:21
Speaker 2: And when we see that, you know, in certain countries
52:25
Speaker 2: where it's either.
52:26
Speaker 11: Not allowed or people are worse killed, imprisoned, harmed just
52:31
Speaker 11: for not following the faith of you know, that society
52:35
Speaker 11: or that dictator or authoritarian. That's a canary in the
52:39
Speaker 11: coal mine when we start to see those religious freedoms
52:41
Speaker 11: being violated and shipped away at We've often seen over
52:45
Speaker 11: history how that turns into much bigger problems or it's
52:49
Speaker 11: a sign of bigger problems to come with that sort
52:53
Speaker 11: of structure and government. And religious freedom I think has
52:57
Speaker 11: a lot to do with the freedoms of women, right
53:01
Speaker 11: at least in my faith. Right, my faith expands the
53:05
Speaker 11: choice and the ability for women. And I mean, and
53:10
Speaker 11: if it's okay for me to share personally, I am
53:12
Speaker 11: a Christian, and so that means I'm a follower of
53:15
Speaker 11: Jesus Christ. And over the years, in sort of reading
53:19
Speaker 11: the Bible and learning more about him, I've learned that
53:22
Speaker 11: he was the ultimate, the original, and the best feminist
53:26
Speaker 11: we've ever had. The way that he treated and talked
53:28
Speaker 11: to women, elevated women. He you know, went against the
53:33
Speaker 11: very strong patriarchal norms of the society in which he
53:37
Speaker 11: was being, which he was raised and living in. He
53:41
Speaker 11: publicly taught and conversed with women in a time when
53:44
Speaker 11: that was not acceptable at all. I mean not just
53:47
Speaker 11: the Samaritan woman at the well, but so many others.
53:50
Speaker 11: And he didn't care right about ethnic or gender or
53:53
Speaker 11: other moral boundaries. He loved everybody, and he defended women
53:58
Speaker 11: in a way that most peopeople at the time did not.
54:01
Speaker 11: He included them and welcomed them among his followers. He
54:04
Speaker 11: defended them against exploitation and condemnation. He said that everybody
54:09
Speaker 11: was equal. Right, so when it came to things like
54:12
Speaker 11: restrictive male divorce, he didn't want women to be left vulnerable,
54:16
Speaker 11: so he preached against that. These are these all point
54:19
Speaker 11: to and this goes back to the canary in the
54:21
Speaker 11: coal mine, right, This points back to a faith structure
54:24
Speaker 11: that elevates and supports women. And when that is not
54:28
Speaker 11: allowed right in the country like Iran, or China, or
54:31
Speaker 11: North Korea, or I mean plenty of countries across the world,
54:36
Speaker 11: you see, it harm women, right, and so that's just
54:39
Speaker 11: one sort of small example, but it is another canary
54:43
Speaker 11: in the coal mine for sure.
54:44
Speaker 2: No, you're exactly right, and it is one of those
54:46
Speaker 2: things that I think about a lot as well, is
54:48
Speaker 2: about how you know, I love that that Jesus was
54:50
Speaker 2: the first and best feminist. I think that's exactly right.
54:52
Speaker 2: And I think that you know, there are often stores
54:54
Speaker 2: in the Bible that elevate women in a remarkable way
54:57
Speaker 2: and demonstrate just their their criticalness role in the home,
55:01
Speaker 2: but in faith and in caring on culture. So I
55:04
Speaker 2: couldn't agree with you more. And we did a major
55:07
Speaker 2: project together actually rooted in faith, and so it's actually
55:11
Speaker 2: debuting this week. But Sarah, I want to talk to
55:14
Speaker 2: you about the series in particular and why you have
55:17
Speaker 2: so focused on the importance of faith in difficult times
55:21
Speaker 2: like faith and war.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, now, thank you and Megan. We are so excited
55:25
Speaker 11: for your episode to air. It is extraordinary. The team
55:28
Speaker 11: that has put this together, our award winning documentarians. You know,
55:32
Speaker 11: this is not like a bootstraps operation. I promise you
55:36
Speaker 11: you watch it and you'll be like, this needs to
55:38
Speaker 11: be on Netflix. Everybody needs to see this. It's really
55:41
Speaker 11: an incredible project. So just some background background. I did
55:47
Speaker 11: get to serve as President Trump's International Religious Freedom Advisor
55:51
Speaker 11: on his National Security Council in the first administration, and that.
55:55
Speaker 2: Work exposed me to a lot of what is going
55:58
Speaker 2: on around the globe.
55:59
Speaker 11: But also so historically what has been going on, and
56:02
Speaker 11: Russia in particular has been persecuting people of faith and
56:06
Speaker 11: using faith as a weapon for many, many years. So
56:09
Speaker 11: there's one church in Russia that is allowed or is
56:14
Speaker 11: sanctioned by the Kremlin, and the other ones are not.
56:16
Speaker 2: And so I mean there are crazy.
56:18
Speaker 11: Rules in Russia, like you can't open your Bible and
56:22
Speaker 11: pray on the street corner.
56:23
Speaker 2: You can be arrested for that. You have to do
56:25
Speaker 2: it inside a sanctioned church.
56:27
Speaker 12: Right.
56:27
Speaker 2: A lot of people don't know that, but it's been
56:30
Speaker 2: well documented.
56:31
Speaker 11: The United States Department of State and our USURF Commission
56:35
Speaker 11: has documented these issues within Russia.
56:38
Speaker 2: For many years.
56:39
Speaker 11: But now what Russia is doing is exporting it into
56:42
Speaker 11: the territories within Ukraine that they occupy. And so there
56:47
Speaker 11: are many Ukraine happens to be like what they referred
56:50
Speaker 11: to as the Bible Belt of that part of the world,
56:52
Speaker 11: and Russia has been targeting and bombing, looting, shelling and
57:00
Speaker 11: churches and murdering pastors and priests.
57:03
Speaker 2: In that region.
57:04
Speaker 11: And so there are close to three million evangelicals in
57:08
Speaker 11: occupied Ukraine and that area, and none of them are
57:11
Speaker 11: allowed to worship freely any longer. You know, there were
57:14
Speaker 11: a lot of things overlapping here for me and why
57:16
Speaker 11: I got involved in this project in the first place.
57:18
Speaker 11: But I think there's a ton of misinformation, especially on
57:21
Speaker 11: the right and in conservative circles, about who Russia is,
57:26
Speaker 11: why they operate the way they do, how they use
57:28
Speaker 11: faith as a weapon of war, and then certainly what
57:31
Speaker 11: was going on in Ukraine was just not being covered
57:33
Speaker 11: this part in particular right. And so I've started working
57:38
Speaker 11: with a team and some amazing people. We put out
57:41
Speaker 11: a sixty minute full length documentary called a Faith under Siege,
57:45
Speaker 11: which you can go and watch on YouTube and on
57:48
Speaker 11: our website. That as sort of our first project, and
57:51
Speaker 11: we documented a lot there about the pastors and some
57:55
Speaker 11: of the priests and the things that were going on.
57:57
Speaker 11: But there was such a great response to that. People
57:59
Speaker 11: wanted more and they wanted more stories, and so we
58:02
Speaker 11: have a season two coming out is what is going
58:04
Speaker 11: to be on YouTube starting August second, and then it
58:08
Speaker 11: will live air on TBN Triny Broadcast Network the week
58:11
Speaker 11: after that. And one of these episodes is the one
58:14
Speaker 11: with Doctor Merg and Mobs where we talk about the
58:17
Speaker 11: abduction of children from Ukraine by Russia, which has been
58:21
Speaker 11: going on for far too long. It is far bigger
58:24
Speaker 11: of a problem than people realize. And that episode goes
58:28
Speaker 11: into why Russia is doing this right. There's a faith
58:31
Speaker 11: element there for sure. It kind of is a thread
58:35
Speaker 11: through all of these. But the other four episodes are incredible.
58:39
Speaker 11: We have a gentleman who goes to do landmine removal
58:42
Speaker 11: there in Ukraine and we follow him in one of
58:44
Speaker 11: the episodes. We have another episode where we follow along
58:48
Speaker 11: a pastor whose church was seized and his home was bombed.
58:52
Speaker 2: He was targeted by the Russians, and it's.
58:54
Speaker 11: The story of him rebuilding and continuing his mission closer
58:58
Speaker 11: to the front lines rather than retreating. Another story about
59:02
Speaker 11: a Christian missionary and his wife, former green beret who's
59:06
Speaker 11: now serving on the frontlines there in Ukraine and just how.
59:09
Speaker 2: He's bringing compassion and help to people there.
59:12
Speaker 11: And then a story about another Ukrainian pastor who with
59:17
Speaker 11: war literally on his doorstep. Is just his unshaken and
59:21
Speaker 11: unshakable faith is extraordinary, and we document some of that
59:25
Speaker 11: as well.
59:25
Speaker 2: So I encourage you all to watch it. You can
59:28
Speaker 2: see it at faithanwar dot com. Again.
59:30
Speaker 11: It'll be on YouTube on August second, and then TBN
59:33
Speaker 11: the week after that. But hope you can all watch it.
59:37
Speaker 11: It sounds maybe kind of sad and depressing, but I
59:39
Speaker 11: promise you the stories are so uplifting and it's just
59:43
Speaker 11: an incredible thing that we all need to acknowledge and recognize.
59:46
Speaker 11: Russia has been pouring billions and billions of dollars for
59:50
Speaker 11: many years into a disinformation campaign that has gripped the
59:55
Speaker 11: conservative right and so many people and just confused people.
59:59
Speaker 2: And we've got put a step to it. And this
1:00:01
Speaker 2: is just our small little way and small part in
1:00:03
Speaker 2: trying to do that. You know, Sarah, you just said
1:00:05
Speaker 2: some thing, So I was going to ask you about this.
1:00:07
Speaker 2: It's so heavy, right, talking about all these things can
1:00:09
Speaker 2: oftentimes just feel hard, and it can feel difficult to
1:00:14
Speaker 2: have hope, and so I wanted to ask you, I mean,
1:00:17
Speaker 2: how do you find hope in these moments and in
1:00:19
Speaker 2: these stories?
1:00:20
Speaker 11: Easy question for me to answer, Megan, My hope comes
1:00:23
Speaker 11: from my faith. I know who holds the future, and
1:00:27
Speaker 11: my job, my goal is just to respond and be
1:00:30
Speaker 11: obedient when he calls me to do something. That's where
1:00:33
Speaker 11: my hope comes from. And I love being able to
1:00:37
Speaker 11: share that. In my work in religious freedom, I defend
1:00:41
Speaker 11: and support people of all faith, not just question and
1:00:44
Speaker 11: I have loved being able to share that and answer
1:00:47
Speaker 11: that same question with people of the ZDI background, my absolute,
1:00:52
Speaker 11: dear beloved Muslim leaguer friends. I love these conversations, but
1:00:57
Speaker 11: that is always my answer. That's where my hope comes from,
1:01:00
Speaker 11: is my faith in Christ.
1:01:02
Speaker 2: Well, Sarah, as always, you are such an inspiration. You
1:01:05
Speaker 2: bring so much joy to every conversation. You remind us
1:01:08
Speaker 2: that the issue of religious freedom is something that is
1:01:12
Speaker 2: so critically necessary. It's not a narrow cultural issue. It
1:01:15
Speaker 2: matters for us in so many different ways. So thank
1:01:18
Speaker 2: you for joining us today again. Go to Faith in
1:01:20
Speaker 2: War dot com to see Sarah's incredible work. You can
1:01:24
Speaker 2: follow her on social media to hear more about religious
1:01:26
Speaker 2: freedom and why it's so necessary to have these conversations. Sarah,
1:01:29
Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining us today. We'll be
1:01:31
Speaker 2: back again after a short break.
1:01:33
Speaker 5: Thank you doctor, stick around for more.
1:01:37
Speaker 6: In fact, Kevin next here he is from New York,
1:01:58
Speaker 6: exact Kevin.
1:02:05
Speaker 2: Well, everyone again, you don't have Kevin from New York,
1:02:08
Speaker 2: but you do have Megan from DC. So this is
1:02:10
Speaker 2: doctor Megan Mobbs, the Center director for the Center for
1:02:13
Speaker 2: American Safety at Independent Women, and I have been joined
1:02:17
Speaker 2: today by so many experts, incredible human beings giving us
1:02:21
Speaker 2: insights into what's going on around the world. And right
1:02:25
Speaker 2: now we are so lucky to be joined by my
1:02:27
Speaker 2: dear friend, an amazing humanitarian, Nate. Look, he is the
1:02:31
Speaker 2: CEO of All Hands and Hearts, which is a truly
1:02:35
Speaker 2: special humanitarian organization. They do work all around the world,
1:02:39
Speaker 2: but in particular today I want to focus on their
1:02:41
Speaker 2: work in Venezuela. So, just to remind everyone, on June
1:02:45
Speaker 2: twenty fourth, there was some horrific earthquakes that happened in Venezuela.
1:02:49
Speaker 2: It killed thousands of people, injured nearly tens of thousands
1:02:53
Speaker 2: of people, and left many homeless. And so the response
1:02:56
Speaker 2: has now shifted from rescue towards what is more of
1:02:59
Speaker 2: a prolonged humanitarian public health reconstruction crisis. But we're talking
1:03:04
Speaker 2: billions of dollars in damage and obviously the incalculable loss
1:03:08
Speaker 2: of life. And so Nate, thank you so much for
1:03:10
Speaker 2: joining us today. I know you were just on the
1:03:12
Speaker 2: ground there in Venezuela. Can you just tell us about
1:03:15
Speaker 2: what you're seeing and what this experience has been like
1:03:17
Speaker 2: for you.
1:03:18
Speaker 13: Absolutely, and thank you so much Megan for having me.
1:03:20
Speaker 13: I think this is so important to talk about Venezuela. Obviously,
1:03:24
Speaker 13: there's a lot going on in the world. Russia just
1:03:27
Speaker 13: unleashed another major bombing of Ukraine last night, and we
1:03:32
Speaker 13: have had recent bombings onto Iran and from Iran onto
1:03:36
Speaker 13: US military basis. So I know there is a lot
1:03:40
Speaker 13: going on in the world, and it's really hard to
1:03:42
Speaker 13: keep on top of everything, and sometimes it's easy to
1:03:44
Speaker 13: sort of say, look, I can't deal with this. But
1:03:48
Speaker 13: I do think it's so important to be talking about
1:03:50
Speaker 13: Venezuela right now because the scale of this crisis is
1:03:53
Speaker 13: really difficult to put into words. You have two massive
1:03:58
Speaker 13: earthquakes that happened back to back, really hitting a particular
1:04:02
Speaker 13: area of Venezuela that was very prone and fragile, and unfortunately,
1:04:09
Speaker 13: you know, this is a country that has been dealing
1:04:12
Speaker 13: with the effects of sort of a lack of a
1:04:16
Speaker 13: functioning government for many, many years, and that has made
1:04:22
Speaker 13: the situation you know, many times worse than just sort
1:04:26
Speaker 13: of a typical kind of earthquake in you know, in
1:04:31
Speaker 13: what would have happened in another country.
1:04:33
Speaker 8: So I just came back.
1:04:34
Speaker 13: I was on the ground recently for a week with
1:04:38
Speaker 13: our All Hands and Hearts team. We've been active responding
1:04:41
Speaker 13: to the earthquake since the hours right after. I had
1:04:45
Speaker 13: done quite a bit of work in Venezuela years ago
1:04:48
Speaker 13: when we had great partners already on the ground, so
1:04:50
Speaker 13: we were able to move super fast, get activated, get
1:04:55
Speaker 13: emergency supplies, water, food, equipment to rescuers, search and rescue
1:05:00
Speaker 13: teams in the earliest of days, generator starlinks, all the
1:05:03
Speaker 13: things that you can expect would be needed, you know,
1:05:06
Speaker 13: to kind of help dig people out of the rubble
1:05:09
Speaker 13: of these earthquakes, but just to give you a sort
1:05:12
Speaker 13: of a sense of of what the situation looks like
1:05:15
Speaker 13: on the ground. You know, Caracas, the big capital city
1:05:17
Speaker 13: of Venezuela, actually was was not hit too badly. There
1:05:21
Speaker 13: are a few areas in the major city, but when
1:05:23
Speaker 13: you if you were sort of going to Caracas, you
1:05:26
Speaker 13: might be like, oh, you know that things are kind
1:05:27
Speaker 13: of normal. But once you get a little bit north,
1:05:30
Speaker 13: once you get a little bit outside the city, towards
1:05:32
Speaker 13: the northern coastline where the beaches are and where near
1:05:36
Speaker 13: where the airport is, I mean, it just it looks
1:05:38
Speaker 13: like a war zone. Buildings came down completely, parts of
1:05:42
Speaker 13: buildings completely collapsed. You can see into apartments as you're
1:05:46
Speaker 13: driving along the road. You know, you can see a
1:05:48
Speaker 13: bedroom because the entire half of the building has been
1:05:51
Speaker 13: sheared off, and you know it is it's just, you know,
1:05:55
Speaker 13: it's it's similar to things that we've seen in Ukraine,
1:05:58
Speaker 13: that I've seen in Gaza. I mean, it looks really
1:06:01
Speaker 13: devastation to that level. And so far they know of
1:06:05
Speaker 13: the thousands of people that have been killed, but there
1:06:07
Speaker 13: are many, many more people that are still under the rubble.
1:06:11
Speaker 13: Families are searching for their bodies twenty four hours a
1:06:14
Speaker 13: day to to try to identify their loved ones and
1:06:17
Speaker 13: family members. And it's a really, really difficult situation right now.
1:06:21
Speaker 13: And you have thousands of people that have been displaced
1:06:24
Speaker 13: survivors of the earthquakes that have nowhere.
1:06:26
Speaker 2: To go right now, you know, and you spend so
1:06:29
Speaker 2: much time. In these conflict zones, you see so much
1:06:32
Speaker 2: human suffering. And one of the things I want to
1:06:34
Speaker 2: do on all these segments is, even though we're talking
1:06:36
Speaker 2: about these dark things, is help bring hope and help
1:06:39
Speaker 2: remind people that individuals can make a difference. And so
1:06:43
Speaker 2: what gives you hope? And what if all hands and
1:06:45
Speaker 2: hearts do to give people hope through your work?
1:06:48
Speaker 13: You know, I think one of the most amazing things
1:06:50
Speaker 13: about this is and about the work we do that
1:06:52
Speaker 13: I feel very privileged to be able to do this work.
1:06:54
Speaker 13: But you know, in the sort of the worst moments,
1:06:58
Speaker 13: we see the best of humans show up. And Venezuela
1:07:02
Speaker 13: was no different. I mean our teams both you know,
1:07:06
Speaker 13: the Venezuelans that are working with us on the ground
1:07:09
Speaker 13: and some of our foreign staff and those abroad. You know,
1:07:13
Speaker 13: everybody is jumped in together to do whatever they could
1:07:17
Speaker 13: to help, and on the ground, everybody is partnering and
1:07:21
Speaker 13: working hand in hand, no questions asked. The churches on
1:07:25
Speaker 13: the ground in Venezuela have played a central role. Caritas,
1:07:30
Speaker 13: the Catholic Church has a big presence there. We from
1:07:33
Speaker 13: day one, we were partnering and working with the Catholic
1:07:36
Speaker 13: Church and Kretas and other churches that became relief hubs
1:07:41
Speaker 13: for the community. They became kitchens, you know, mini kitchens
1:07:45
Speaker 13: to serve the community. They became shelters where people were
1:07:48
Speaker 13: living inside of the churches.
1:07:51
Speaker 6: And you know, seeing the.
1:07:53
Speaker 13: Resilience and the response from the Venezuelans has been really
1:07:57
Speaker 13: truly amazing. And so we've been installingters, We've been helping
1:08:01
Speaker 13: with shelter tense tarps, we've been helping with food, we've
1:08:05
Speaker 13: been helping with other supplies that are needed, and that
1:08:08
Speaker 13: really it's so amazing to see everybody coming together even
1:08:12
Speaker 13: in this worst of times.
1:08:14
Speaker 8: You know, you see that there's hope, there's hope.
1:08:16
Speaker 13: That they can pick up the pieces and begin to rebuild.
1:08:20
Speaker 2: Well, Nate, as always, you bring hope to me. I
1:08:23
Speaker 2: find you to be such a remarkable leader. Please everyone
1:08:26
Speaker 2: go look and check out All Hands and Hearts. Follow
1:08:29
Speaker 2: them on social media, see what they're doing, See how
1:08:31
Speaker 2: they are saving Venezuelan lives. You're bringing relief all around
1:08:34
Speaker 2: the world. Nate, You're an inspiration. Thank you so much
1:08:37
Speaker 2: for joining us today.
1:08:38
Speaker 13: Thank you so much for having me Nigan.
1:08:56
Speaker 7: Here.
1:08:56
Speaker 6: He is from New York exactly.
1:09:03
Speaker 2: Well, if you've been listening along, you know that you're
1:09:05
Speaker 2: not going to get Kevin. Instead, you're going to get Megan.
1:09:08
Speaker 2: So again, this is doctor Megan Mobs, the director for
1:09:10
Speaker 2: the Center of American Safety and Security at Independent Women,
1:09:14
Speaker 2: filling in for Kevin while he's out this week. And
1:09:17
Speaker 2: we've had an amazing about hour and a half now
1:09:20
Speaker 2: talking to so many different experts from all around the
1:09:22
Speaker 2: world to do incredible work. And I'm joined again by
1:09:25
Speaker 2: another one who's doing amazing work as the Ukraine country
1:09:29
Speaker 2: director for the Art Weatherman Foundation, Laura Gillom, who lives
1:09:33
Speaker 2: full time as an American in Kiev. And so Lauren,
1:09:37
Speaker 2: I opened the segment today at the top of the hour,
1:09:39
Speaker 2: right as we open the radio show, talking about the
1:09:42
Speaker 2: horrific missile attack last night. Thankfully our team and for listeners,
1:09:47
Speaker 2: as you also know, I also spend time with the
1:09:49
Speaker 2: Art Weatherman Foundation. Thankfully our team on the ground is okay.
1:09:53
Speaker 2: But I want to give the opportunity to talk about
1:09:55
Speaker 2: the work of the foundation, but really focus on the
1:09:58
Speaker 2: reality of America in Ukraine. And so I want to
1:10:02
Speaker 2: leave with the question, and we've talked about this before,
1:10:04
Speaker 2: about when you found out that there were Americans fighting
1:10:07
Speaker 2: on the ground in Ukraine volunteering to serve. Wow.
1:10:10
Speaker 12: Yes, also, Megan, thank you so much for having me.
1:10:15
Speaker 12: So I grew up around, you know, foreign policy in
1:10:20
Speaker 12: the news. I was working in DC as a lobbyist
1:10:24
Speaker 12: for our military aide to Ukraine. So Ukraine was my sphere.
1:10:27
Speaker 12: And then i walked down the halls of Congress and
1:10:30
Speaker 12: I've run into you. I run into other parents who
1:10:34
Speaker 12: lost their sons fighting in Ukraine and then wounded, as
1:10:39
Speaker 12: you know, and for the audience, the Art Weatherman Foundation
1:10:42
Speaker 12: brought parents of the fallen and wounded soldiers Americans who
1:10:46
Speaker 12: went to go fight.
1:10:47
Speaker 8: So whenever I met you, guys, I was in shock.
1:10:50
Speaker 12: I had no idea that foreigners, nonetheless Americans were fighting
1:10:54
Speaker 12: in Ukraine, and that they were dying and coming back wounded,
1:10:59
Speaker 12: and that they had sprinted over there at the start
1:11:02
Speaker 12: of the full scale invasion. And so that was a
1:11:05
Speaker 12: huge shock to me. And that's whenever I got involved
1:11:09
Speaker 12: with the Weatherman Foundation and wanted to join the mission
1:11:12
Speaker 12: and what we do, and.
1:11:13
Speaker 2: You know, we talk about American and fighting over there,
1:11:16
Speaker 2: and we hear a lot of stories and for the
1:11:18
Speaker 2: audience who maybe doesn't realize that there are obviously so
1:11:20
Speaker 2: many Americans fighting over there, and we're talking about thousands
1:11:23
Speaker 2: at the beginning. The numbers have since dwindled, unfortunately, as
1:11:26
Speaker 2: this horrific war has lasted for so long. Tell us
1:11:30
Speaker 2: about the stories that you hear. Why are Americans deciding
1:11:34
Speaker 2: and volunteering to fight in Ukraine?
1:11:36
Speaker 12: So I explained it to my family just from Texas,
1:11:39
Speaker 12: is that so many Americans come over to fight for
1:11:43
Speaker 12: the values that they grew up being taught to fight
1:11:47
Speaker 12: for the same values that we pledged to our flag
1:11:50
Speaker 12: and for the for the folks that were in the military,
1:11:53
Speaker 12: the same values that they were taught to defend and
1:11:56
Speaker 12: to protect with their life. And so that that's why
1:12:00
Speaker 12: a lot of guys and women are coming over to
1:12:04
Speaker 12: fight and to volunteer. And you know, as the war
1:12:07
Speaker 12: has progressed now the fifth year, the types of people
1:12:12
Speaker 12: have also changed. Many don't have a military background, well,
1:12:16
Speaker 12: many still do, but those who come over as civilians
1:12:19
Speaker 12: usually are coming over with a mission to just get
1:12:23
Speaker 12: involved and to act and to have a moral duty.
1:12:28
Speaker 12: Maybe it's through medical aid or whatever it is. And
1:12:31
Speaker 12: then they see the devastation that's happening and that they
1:12:35
Speaker 12: can learn to participate and get involved in deeper ways
1:12:39
Speaker 12: out east. And so that's this type of evolution of
1:12:42
Speaker 12: a volunteer that we see all the time, you know,
1:12:45
Speaker 12: living and working in Ukraine and having to go through
1:12:49
Speaker 12: air raid alarms and all of that.
1:12:51
Speaker 2: Now, I want you to talk a little bit about
1:12:53
Speaker 2: about these families, what it's like for them, you know,
1:12:56
Speaker 2: managing all of these challenges related to their loved one
1:12:58
Speaker 2: dying and.
1:13:00
Speaker 12: Tear up thinking about it, because at the end of
1:13:02
Speaker 12: the day, these are just regular American families who are
1:13:07
Speaker 12: teachers at an elementary school and teaching Spanish the whole time,
1:13:12
Speaker 12: where you know, they have a successful corporate world in finance,
1:13:17
Speaker 12: and so they're just regular Americans whose sons, husband's fathers
1:13:23
Speaker 12: chose this mission not because they didn't believe in their family,
1:13:28
Speaker 12: but because they believe in the values.
1:13:30
Speaker 7: Once again.
1:13:32
Speaker 12: So actually, we went to repatriate cremated remains to a
1:13:38
Speaker 12: family out in Boston area and I sat down. Originally
1:13:43
Speaker 12: I was just expecting to deliver her son's remains to
1:13:48
Speaker 12: her as a mom. Her name's Betsy, and you know
1:13:54
Speaker 12: this is not my background. I wasn't sure what to expect.
1:13:57
Speaker 12: How long I should be there, but the way we
1:13:59
Speaker 12: appro which our work is through being a human right.
1:14:03
Speaker 12: And so sit down and I'm meeting Betsy in person
1:14:07
Speaker 12: finally after hearing her voice on the phone and messaging
1:14:11
Speaker 12: her and these are just calls when she's doing the dishes,
1:14:16
Speaker 12: she's just driving her car, she's going to her swim class.
1:14:21
Speaker 12: And so we finally were sitting down for drinking tea.
1:14:25
Speaker 12: She's getting to share about her son, and I see
1:14:30
Speaker 12: in her eyes right away, you know, they had the
1:14:32
Speaker 12: same eyes, same smile, and she starts to open up
1:14:36
Speaker 12: about her family and roots in Ireland and just her
1:14:42
Speaker 12: deep love for her son. And she said something to
1:14:46
Speaker 12: me that I won't forget, but it's her life will
1:14:50
Speaker 12: never be the same. And as we were having this
1:14:53
Speaker 12: conversation looking around her home. It's a small apartment with
1:14:59
Speaker 12: family photos on the wall and all the letters of
1:15:03
Speaker 12: the people in her life. You know, people reached out,
1:15:06
Speaker 12: wrote letters and cards. They were just taped on the wall,
1:15:09
Speaker 12: and it's a reminder of her to move forward and
1:15:12
Speaker 12: that there is so much love. And unfortunately, as we
1:15:16
Speaker 12: see in all the families we help, grief is a
1:15:21
Speaker 12: heavy price of love. But it's because these families loved
1:15:26
Speaker 12: their families so much that they feel this deep pain.
1:15:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's one of the things too. And
1:15:30
Speaker 2: as we wrap up this segment, you know, I've asked
1:15:32
Speaker 2: this question that the last couple of segments, in the
1:15:35
Speaker 2: midst of all of this, what gives you hope?
1:15:38
Speaker 4: I think it.
1:15:38
Speaker 12: I mean, truly, it's our will to push, to move forward.
1:15:43
Speaker 12: I don't want to say the will to endure, because
1:15:46
Speaker 12: it really is a move forward. These families who lost people,
1:15:50
Speaker 12: and Ukrainian families who you know, apartments get destroyed. They
1:15:55
Speaker 12: have to figure out a new normal after this and
1:15:59
Speaker 12: to re look at the world around them, good bad,
1:16:05
Speaker 12: figuring out what is meaning, what is purposeful, Who are
1:16:09
Speaker 12: the people who can help light up your life? And
1:16:12
Speaker 12: so I definitely think it is the will to push
1:16:15
Speaker 12: and people's belief and something greater that will guide them
1:16:19
Speaker 12: there and keep that faith in those really, really dark times.
1:16:23
Speaker 2: Well, Lauren, thank you for joining us. You can find
1:16:25
Speaker 2: more about the work at Weathermanfoundation dot org. You are
1:16:28
Speaker 2: a light in dark places, and thank you for joining
1:16:31
Speaker 2: us today. And stay safe.
1:16:33
Speaker 5: Thanks Began.
1:16:35
Speaker 10: Let's stick around for more of that, Kevin next serving
1:16:51
Speaker 10: it up. There's a no drink mittal. It's that Kevin
1:16:56
Speaker 10: that the show.
1:17:02
Speaker 2: Well, friends, this is again doctor Megan Mobbs of the Center,
1:17:06
Speaker 2: Director for the Center for American Safety and Security at
1:17:09
Speaker 2: Independent Women. I have the great opportunity to fill in
1:17:12
Speaker 2: for Kevin today and somehow we've reached the end of
1:17:16
Speaker 2: the show, but we covered a lot of ground today.
1:17:19
Speaker 2: We had some incredible experts in the first hour, Carrie
1:17:23
Speaker 2: Philipetti from the Vandenburg Coalition talking about all of the
1:17:27
Speaker 2: threats to the American homeland from foreign adversaries like Iran, Russia, China,
1:17:32
Speaker 2: and North Korea. We were then joined by Anna Pingle
1:17:36
Speaker 2: from the America First Policy Institute talking about President Trump's
1:17:41
Speaker 2: recent address to the nation about election integrity and election
1:17:45
Speaker 2: safety and security. And then we ended the hour with
1:17:47
Speaker 2: General Keith Kellogg from the America First Policy Institute, former
1:17:51
Speaker 2: Assistant to the President, national security expert, talking about the
1:17:56
Speaker 2: next steps in Iran. That was just the first hour.
1:17:59
Speaker 2: The second hour we took it even further. We heard
1:18:02
Speaker 2: from the incredible Sarah Macon about religious freedom around the world,
1:18:06
Speaker 2: about her project Faith in War, where there's an incredible
1:18:09
Speaker 2: documentary being released this week around faith and war, specifically
1:18:13
Speaker 2: in Ukraine. We had Nate look the CEO of All
1:18:16
Speaker 2: Hands and Hearts, talking about his work in Venezuela, and
1:18:20
Speaker 2: then we closed out with Laura Giome, the country director
1:18:22
Speaker 2: for the Weatherman Foundation, talking about Americans fighting and serving
1:18:27
Speaker 2: in Ukraine. Wow. We covered a lot today and we also,
1:18:32
Speaker 2: you know, throughout this conversation we also talked about the
1:18:36
Speaker 2: incredible nature of the American spirit, why America is such
1:18:40
Speaker 2: an incredible nation blessed by God, and why we believe
1:18:43
Speaker 2: independent women that women in America have inherited one of
1:18:47
Speaker 2: the greatest responsibilities in the history of civilization. And so
1:18:51
Speaker 2: after talking about all of this over the past couple
1:18:53
Speaker 2: of hours, you know, I asked the guests the question
1:18:56
Speaker 2: about how they maintain hope, because I often get out
1:19:00
Speaker 2: ask that question, how do you not become discouraged? And
1:19:04
Speaker 2: it's a fair question, because if you're consumed by all
1:19:07
Speaker 2: the headlines that we see, we would convince ourselves the
1:19:10
Speaker 2: world is just simply falling apart. But the thing is,
1:19:13
Speaker 2: the thing that I've learned after the years I served
1:19:15
Speaker 2: in uniform under our flag and then years traveling to
1:19:18
Speaker 2: war zones, is that headlines are never the whole story.
1:19:22
Speaker 2: The cameras almost always point toward the explosion, but they
1:19:26
Speaker 2: rarely point toward the firefighter running into it. They point
1:19:29
Speaker 2: toward the missile strike. They don't show the grandmother making
1:19:32
Speaker 2: sandwiches for the rescue workers. They point toward the evil,
1:19:35
Speaker 2: but they rarely linger on the extraordinary goodness that rises
1:19:39
Speaker 2: to meet it. And maybe that's because goodness isn't usually loud.
1:19:43
Speaker 2: It doesn't really trend, it doesn't demand attention. It just
1:19:46
Speaker 2: simply shows up again and again and again. And I've
1:19:50
Speaker 2: seen that goodness all around the world, but especially here
1:19:53
Speaker 2: at home, and today we were joined by so many
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Speaker 2: amazing Americans who embody that spirit of giving a service
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Speaker 2: and sacrifice every day of their lives, oftentimes far from
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Speaker 2: home in extraordinary danger. But I've also seen it here
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Speaker 2: in the homeland. I've seen it in our police officers
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Speaker 2: and our pastors, our teachers, our volunteers, our first responders,
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Speaker 2: and ordinary citizens who simply refuse to let darkness have
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Speaker 2: the final word. That's why I, despite everything about all
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Speaker 2: the things we talked about today, that I remain hopeful.
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Speaker 2: And it's not because I'm ignoring reality, but it's because
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Speaker 2: I've seen enough of humanity at its worst to recognize
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Speaker 2: humanity at its best. And the reality is that we're
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Speaker 2: all capable of that best. We just have to choose
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Speaker 2: it every day. As a Christian, I believe history is
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Speaker 2: neither random nor hopeless. I believe every one of us
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Speaker 2: has been entrusted with gifts not simply for our own success,
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Speaker 2: but for the service of mothers, and that means we
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Speaker 2: have work to do. So before we go, I want
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Speaker 2: to leave you with one final thought. Our children are
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Speaker 2: watching us. So today, wherever you are, go be the
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Speaker 2: person who makes someone else's burden a little lighter. Tell
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Speaker 2: someone you love them, Call your parents, hug your kids,
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Speaker 2: Pray for our troops, pray for those suffering around the world,
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Speaker 2: and pray for our country. And with God's grace, three
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Speaker 2: people will remember they are stronger than any tyrant whoever
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Speaker 2: tries to make them forget. Thank you for spending this
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Speaker 2: time with me. It's been a privilege to fill in
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Speaker 2: for Kevin. I hope you'll join us next time. God
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Speaker 2: bless you. God bless our men and women in uniform,
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Speaker 2: and make God continue to bless the United States of America.