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The Aftermath of Clayton Echard’s Case with “Love Trapped” Producer and Host Stephani Young · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I, Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to Almost Famous. It's Ben today, holding it down.
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  Speaker 2: And this past Friday was the sentencing in the fake
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  Speaker 2: pregnancy cases involving our very own Bachelor Nation alum, Clayton Eckerd.
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  Speaker 2: This story has been incredibly bizarre and goes beyond Clayton.
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  Speaker 2: The team over at the Loved Trapped podcast has been
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  Speaker 2: doing an amazing job covering every twist and every turn.
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  Speaker 2: Help me welcome the host and producer of that podcast,
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  Speaker 2: Stephanie Young.
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  Speaker 3: Hello, Stephanie.
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  Speaker 4: Hi, Ben. It's nice to see you.
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  Speaker 3: It's nice to see you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm very excited to have you here because I'll be honest,
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  Speaker 2: we've been trying to follow along and admittedly our coverage
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  Speaker 2: of this podcast whole situation has not been uh what
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  Speaker 2: i would call incredible because i find myself confused so
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  Speaker 2: often at the twists and the turns and the interminglings
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  Speaker 2: and so it's really good to have you here to
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  Speaker 2: help explain it all but i will say uh anybody
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  Speaker 2: listening you have to go out and listen to love
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  Speaker 2: trapped it's been a huge success too did you expect
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  Speaker 2: it to be as big of a success as it's
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  Speaker 2: been i.
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  Speaker 4: I I hoped it would be, but that was never
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  Speaker 4: the goal. I mean, I knew it was a great story.
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  Speaker 4: Clayton was all in from the very beginning. And I
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  Speaker 4: knew that I had the ability to tell the story
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  Speaker 4: in the way that it deserved to be told. Did
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  Speaker 4: I think that it was going to be as successful
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  Speaker 4: as it was when we started? No, I hoped for it.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm glad it is. But I didn't think so.
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  Speaker 4: But I am grateful that the response has been as
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  Speaker 4: amazing as it has been.
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  Speaker 3: I'm my.
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  Speaker 2: personal instinct is that it's been such a success, not
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  Speaker 2: only because you all have done an incredible job with it,
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  Speaker 2: but also this case is, as you said, such an
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  Speaker 2: amazing story in some of the worst of ways. And
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  Speaker 2: I think people are like, huh, I don't get it.
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  Speaker 2: I need somebody to help explain this to me.
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  Speaker 3: And you all fill that gap.
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  Speaker 4: I did my best. I mean, you said it best.
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  Speaker 4: You're very confused about this story. I was confused about
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  Speaker 4: this story many times, too. And trying to explain something
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  Speaker 4: that doesn't make sense was probably the hardest part of
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  Speaker 4: developing this podcast and telling the story. There were conversations
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  Speaker 4: that I had with my story editor at points where
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, no, this, no, this, no. But that part
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  Speaker 4: doesn't go there. That came later. And she's lying about that.
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  Speaker 4: So you have to explain that part.
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  Speaker 2: And I mean.
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  Speaker 4: These conversations that we had sound wild if someone's listening
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  Speaker 4: to them because it just doesn't make sense, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is that the whole time of trying
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  Speaker 2: to timeline this. And I think that's why your project
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  Speaker 2: is so special.
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  Speaker 3: It's hard to do. But I also know that you
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  Speaker 3: are bringing to light a story that is confusing.
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  Speaker 2: And I think in life, when things get too confusing
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  Speaker 2: and chaotic, we often give up and we let narrative
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  Speaker 2: play out on its own. And I think for you,
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  Speaker 2: you helped bring justice.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh. Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: To the people that were affected. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So you did just get back from the sentencing of
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  Speaker 2: Laura Owens. That has now officially happened and we are
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  Speaker 2: jumping on pretty much immediately following it.
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  Speaker 3: Let me give a brief summary here of what was done.
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  Speaker 2: Laura Owens faced a total of 14 felony counts.
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  Speaker 3: Correct me if I do any of this wrong, please.
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  Speaker 4: You're good so far.
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  Speaker 2: Two separate grand jury indictments in Maricopa County, Arizona, related
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  Speaker 2: to fake pregnancy schemes. Owens pleaded guilty to four counts,
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  Speaker 2: specifically two counts of fraudulent schemes and artifices, one count
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  Speaker 2: of perjury, and one count of identity theft. The other
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  Speaker 2: 10 felony counts were dismissed under the agreement. Judge Jeffrey
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  Speaker 2: Reuter handed down a sentence of 30 days in county
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  Speaker 2: jail and seven years of supervised probation, suspending additional prison
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  Speaker 2: time contingent on successful probation completion. In your latest episode, Stephanie,
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  Speaker 2: you mentioned that you were not able to connect with
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  Speaker 2: Clayton and the other victims after the day in court.
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  Speaker 2: Have you at this point gotten a chance to talk
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  Speaker 2: to any of them?
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  Speaker 1: I did.
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  Speaker 4: So when I recorded that, I was literally right outside
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  Speaker 4: the courthouse. I like got out of the courthouse and
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  Speaker 4: I'm like on my phone recording this so that we
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  Speaker 4: can get it up on the feed so that everybody
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  Speaker 4: knew what happened. And you did a wonderful job, by
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  Speaker 4: the way. You didn't miss anything. That was great.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't miss anything?
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  Speaker 4: No, that was great. And after that, I went over
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  Speaker 4: to Clayton's house after, um, he wanted to get out
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  Speaker 4: of there right away, which I totally understand. And Mike
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  Speaker 4: and Danielle, Mike is the man from California that Laura
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  Speaker 4: has done a similar thing to. And Danielle is his wife.
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  Speaker 4: They were actually at Clayton's house as well. And we did, um,
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  Speaker 4: we did our, one of our final interviews for Love
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  Speaker 4: Trapped that afternoon. And, um, it was a really raw
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  Speaker 4: and emotional conversation. There were tears, there was anger, there was,
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  Speaker 4: you know, levity at some points because some of the
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  Speaker 4: ridiculous things that were said at the sentencing hearing. But
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  Speaker 4: it was a hard conversation because this has kind of
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  Speaker 4: been a long time coming. And I don't think that
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  Speaker 4: that sentence was what the victims wanted.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want you to have to speak on behalf
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  Speaker 2: of the victims here, but for your, I mean, you've
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  Speaker 2: been following along. What did you expect the sentencing to be?
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  Speaker 4: I thought the sentence was going to be at least
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  Speaker 4: a year in prison or jail. I really did. And
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  Speaker 4: the whole time I've always said, like, I'm not a
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  Speaker 4: victim in this case. Like, I don't want to I
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  Speaker 4: don't want to say what I want her sentence to be,
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  Speaker 4: because at the end of the day, this was not
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  Speaker 4: something that directly affected me. But I always kind of said, like,
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  Speaker 4: I wanted what Clayton wanted. I wanted what the other
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  Speaker 4: victims wanted. I wanted them to feel like there was
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  Speaker 4: a sense of accountability there. And when the sentence was
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  Speaker 4: handed down, I was disappointed. And in that moment, I
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  Speaker 4: was like, OK, maybe you did want more than 30
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  Speaker 4: days in jail. So, yeah, I think I was I
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  Speaker 4: was disappointed in the in the consequence for Laura. But
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  Speaker 4: I do think that seven years of probation is going
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  Speaker 4: to be really hard for her. She's not told no
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  Speaker 4: ever by her family. So having to follow rules for
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  Speaker 4: seven years when she's out of jail is not going
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  Speaker 4: to be easy for her.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, obviously, love trapped. does a deeper dive
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  Speaker 2: on her and her character. But the judge did mention
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  Speaker 2: that the reason the sentencing was what it was is
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  Speaker 2: because she has no priors. And this wasn't a, quote,
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  Speaker 2: violent offense. I think the wording, and I'm probably going
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  Speaker 2: to mess it up, but understanding that I'm just repeating
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  Speaker 2: what I remember hearing, the judge said something along the
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  Speaker 2: lines of, hey, it just costs people money pretty much.
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  Speaker 2: Like this was like, One of the hardest things out
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  Speaker 2: of this was it just cost the victims money. And
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  Speaker 2: as a result, here's the sentencing. It's hard for me.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I did get the understanding that the judge
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  Speaker 2: might have been as confused as I am when he
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  Speaker 2: was sent. He was like, this is pretty messed up.
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  Speaker 3: Like, I don't know. There's so many things here.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard to conceptualize what all went down and make
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  Speaker 2: a sentencing on behalf of this really weird web of.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. And I mean, he was also looking at mental
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  Speaker 4: and health diagnoses that Laura had self-reported to him and
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  Speaker 4: he saw those and he brought that into it as well.
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  Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, he really said, like,
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  Speaker 4: this is either a really sophisticated con artist or a
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  Speaker 4: sad girl who's made some bad choices. And as I
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  Speaker 4: sat there in the courtroom that day, there was evidence
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  Speaker 4: that was presented by the state that the public hadn't
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  Speaker 4: even seen yet. And it's evidence that I hadn't even
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  Speaker 4: seen yet. I mean, Photoshopped pictures of her belly, of
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  Speaker 4: her fake pregnant belly that like Photoshop fails. Emails about
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  Speaker 4: purchasing HCG. The investigator told us that she had ozempic
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  Speaker 4: injections in the search warrant. There were text messages to
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  Speaker 4: her sister saying that she did not have sex with Clayton.
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  Speaker 4: So all of this is being presented. And then to
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  Speaker 4: hear the judge say like, you know, she's just a
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  Speaker 4: sad individual. And this probably wasn't calculated. She's not a
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  Speaker 4: con artist, it's kind of hard to reconcile those two
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  Speaker 4: things when you were presented with the evidence that we
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  Speaker 4: were presented with.
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  Speaker 2: The motive here, if you don't mind, I know, again,
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  Speaker 2: so much of this is on Love Trapped and I
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  Speaker 2: don't want to steal from this incredible project that you've done.
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  Speaker 2: And so say as much or as little as you
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  Speaker 2: can and want, and also you can feel free to
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  Speaker 2: point people back to Love Trapped. But I think the
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  Speaker 2: motive is very important as we talk about the sentencing.
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  Speaker 2: The motive is still unclear for me. And so as
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  Speaker 2: you've gone through this, you've just laid out.
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  Speaker 3: Some new evidence.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously, there was intentional decisions being made to distract and
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  Speaker 2: to confuse and to tell a.
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  Speaker 3: Story that was not true.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Is this one of those scenarios where you start the
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  Speaker 2: lie and the lie gets too big and it snowballs
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  Speaker 2: and you feel like you've got to keep up with
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  Speaker 2: it and hope it just ends at some point, not
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  Speaker 2: realizing the repercussions? Or was there a clear motive, in
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  Speaker 2: your opinion, behind these decisions?
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  Speaker 4: I think it's both. I think that, you know, she
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  Speaker 4: had done this prior to Clayton and you kind of
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  Speaker 4: see her like evolving her tactics and getting a little
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  Speaker 4: bit better at them as she moves on. Like, she
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  Speaker 4: was more sophisticated in what she did with Clayton. And
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  Speaker 4: I think that she did not expect that it was
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  Speaker 4: going to go as public as it did, even though
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  Speaker 4: she's the one that took it public. But he was,
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  Speaker 4: since he was the former bachelor, I mean, there was
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  Speaker 4: public interest in the case and it just kind of
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  Speaker 4: blew up and people started poking holes in her story.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that she thought that there was going
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  Speaker 4: to be an off ramp where she could just be like, nope, okay,
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  Speaker 4: I'm out. And then people were still holding her accountable
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  Speaker 4: and she just kept doubling and tripling and quadrupling down.
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  Speaker 4: And that's what you see. But I, Ben, I'm still
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  Speaker 4: trying to figure out the motive myself. Like it doesn't
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  Speaker 4: seem like it was ever financial. It doesn't seem like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, that she really even liked these men. So
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  Speaker 4: I think it's really just like she can't handle rejection
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  Speaker 4: is really what I think it comes down to. Clayton
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  Speaker 4: told her, you know, the day after they hooked up
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  Speaker 4: that he didn't want to continue it on any further
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  Speaker 4: and that he would get her a new real estate
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  Speaker 4: agent and X, Y, Z. And she did not like that.
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  Speaker 4: And that's kind of what you see with the other
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  Speaker 4: men in this story, too. So I think it's really
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  Speaker 4: like she doesn't like the rejection aspect of it and
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  Speaker 4: then kind of just goes nuclear after that.
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  Speaker 2: I remember when the story first broke. Goodness, how many
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  Speaker 2: years ago that was?
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  Speaker 1: 2023. 2023.
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  Speaker 4: All of us were like, huh? This is crazy.
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  Speaker 2: There was no, at that point, statement from Clayton. And
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  Speaker 2: so it was just a headline that got clicked on,
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  Speaker 2: as so many things are, and you read the headline
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  Speaker 2: and you form your own opinion based on a headline.
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  Speaker 2: And that was when Laura had kind of brought it
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  Speaker 2: public and he was being accused.
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  Speaker 3: Of certain things.
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  Speaker 2: Was there ever a moment in this whole story where
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  Speaker 2: you thought, hey, she's going to get away with this
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  Speaker 2: and Clayton is going to have to like like she's
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  Speaker 2: not going to be held accountable. Like she's not, she's
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  Speaker 2: going to like keep doing this.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, of course. I was pleasantly surprised that the Maricopa
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  Speaker 4: County attorney's office pursued the criminal investigation and charges on her.
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  Speaker 4: When I started researching this, it was a year after
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  Speaker 4: the June 10th trial where Clayton was proved that Clayton
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  Speaker 4: was not the father of her alleged twins and that
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  Speaker 4: she wasn't really pregnant in the first place. So I
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  Speaker 4: kind of knew going into this, that part of the story.
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  Speaker 4: But along the way, Laura always finds a way to
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  Speaker 4: delay the court system or get out of things. Or
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  Speaker 4: I mean, someone asked me last week, like, do you
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  Speaker 4: think that Laura still has something up her sleeve? And
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, as we sit here today, her sentencing hearing
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  Speaker 4: is in four days. And I still don't know if
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  Speaker 4: I'm going or if it's actually going to happen because
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  Speaker 4: there's always something. There's always something. And, you know, I
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  Speaker 4: was I've talked to a million attorneys about like what
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  Speaker 4: how could she get out of this? Like, are there
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  Speaker 4: is there a way she could get out of it? And,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I'm always concerned that there wasn't going to
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  Speaker 4: be a punishment. So when I sat in that courtroom
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  Speaker 4: on Friday and saw them put handcuffs on her, I'm like, OK,
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  Speaker 4: so it wasn't the sentence we wanted, but she's going
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  Speaker 4: to spend tonight and the next 30 nights in jail.
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  Speaker 4: And that feels like something at least.
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  Speaker 3: And it's on a record.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, oh, yeah, she's going to be a felon
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  Speaker 4: for the rest of time.
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  Speaker 2: So, I mean, that And I mean, you would hope,
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  Speaker 2: I think the biggest hope, right? If we can necessarily
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  Speaker 2: define if justice was served or not, that's kind of opinion-based,
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  Speaker 2: but we can at least say, okay, in the future,
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  Speaker 2: hopefully there's less victims or no victims because now this
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  Speaker 2: is public.
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  Speaker 3: She's a felon. She's going to be put in jail.
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  Speaker 3: It's searchable. And so if.
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  Speaker 2: Anything, it will restrict the possibility that she can continue
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  Speaker 2: to kind of fly under the radar and just keep
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  Speaker 2: doing this without any consequences.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think Google is going to be kind to
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  Speaker 4: her when she gets out of jail. I mean, you
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  Speaker 4: search her name and I think there's a, there's a
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  Speaker 4: lot of information about what she has done. So hopefully
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  Speaker 4: it will stop her from continuing this pattern of behavior.
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  Speaker 3: Now you started this project.
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  Speaker 1: Why?
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  Speaker 2: I think that's my big question. You heard the story, right?
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  Speaker 2: It starts going on. There's Reddit, um, you know, sessions
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  Speaker 2: going justice for Clayton. There's obviously the hashtags. There's been
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  Speaker 2: a whole kind of grassroots movement behind the scenes to
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  Speaker 2: bring this to attention and also kind of wrap their
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  Speaker 2: arms around Clayton and the other victims. But you at
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  Speaker 2: some point said, hey, this is a project I want
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  Speaker 2: to pursue.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. What was the reasoning?
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  Speaker 4: So the producers, my bosses actually kind of reached out
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  Speaker 4: to me with this story. Um, and I, I remember
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  Speaker 4: it coming across my desk and what's funny is that
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  Speaker 4: I too read that headlines about Clayton. And what's even
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  Speaker 4: funnier is that I did not watch his season of
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  Speaker 4: the bachelor and I'm a bachelor fan. Ben, I watched
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  Speaker 4: your season, but I did not watch Clayton season. So, um,
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  Speaker 4: so I remember seeing that headline in September of 2023
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  Speaker 4: and I was actually shopping for wedding dresses in Arizona.
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  Speaker 4: I got married in Arizona. I went to Arizona state. So, um,
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  Speaker 4: that's where I decided to get married. And I remember
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  Speaker 4: seeing the headline when I was there and I was like,
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  Speaker 4: sounds about right. Like this guy's reputation was kind of
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  Speaker 4: crap before this. So yeah, probably, he probably did it.
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  Speaker 4: And I remember one of my first conversations with Clayton,
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  Speaker 4: I was like, I gotta be honest with you. When
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  Speaker 4: this came out, I thought you probably did it. And I,
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  Speaker 4: and I think a lot of people did. I really
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  Speaker 4: do think that. And, you know, immediately the reaction right
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  Speaker 4: away on Reddit and the bachelor subreddit and all of
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  Speaker 4: that was like, same thing. It was like, this guy sucks.
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  Speaker 4: Like he was the worst bachelor, like X, Y, Z, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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  Speaker 4: And then that, changed pretty quickly when people started poking
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  Speaker 4: holes in Laura's story. Um, So, yeah, I mean, when
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  Speaker 4: this opportunity was presented to me, it was like a
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  Speaker 4: no brainer. I love true crime. I love pop culture.
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  Speaker 4: And this was right up my alley. And, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I had one of those initial conversations with Clayton and
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  Speaker 4: I knew that he was going to be the perfect
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  Speaker 4: person to tell his own story because he is so honest.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, that's what got him in trouble on The Bachelor.
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  Speaker 4: And he has never not answered a question for me.
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  Speaker 4: He's always been very honest, like every question. And you
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  Speaker 4: can imagine the weird questions I've had to ask him
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  Speaker 4: about this story. Uh, so yeah, I mean, I know.
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  Speaker 3: A lot about, you know, a lot about, I know,
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 4: More than I ever wanted to know.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Um, but yeah, I mean, he's, he's always been very
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  Speaker 4: open and vulnerable with me and I really appreciate that.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that's one of the reasons that this
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  Speaker 4: podcast did so well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. And good on you. In today's world, it's wild.
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  Speaker 2: I don't get on Reddit because it's scary for me
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  Speaker 2: and it would put me in a very insecure place.
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  Speaker 4: That Bachelor subreddit's tough.
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  Speaker 2: It's a tough read. Unless you just want to beat
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  Speaker 2: yourself up a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not getting there.
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: Don't shop at the pain store, Ben.
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: It's not worth it. But I'm with you.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: And admittedly, I saw the headline and I think I
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: jumped at the conclusion that, oh my, Clayton, what are
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: you doing? Goodness gracious, you did it again. I'm not
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: like saying he's not like done this scenario again, but
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: it's not uncommon. And then it was the, and that's
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: why I'm saying good on them. It was the grassroots
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: movement and your movement that made me go, There's more
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: to this. And then you start uncovering it. And then
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: you try to, you know, understand it. And it just
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: gets confusing. But I am thankful in this world of
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: confusion that the grassroots movement wrapped their arms around Clayton
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: and brought this to justice so that.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: He didn't feel alone at all.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: Because I'm assuming there was a moment when the headlines
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: came out that he was like, I feel completely alone.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: Everybody's assuming, like Ben is.
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: Like I am.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: And Stephanie.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that I did it and nobody's going to believe me.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: And now I'm fighting an uphill battle on a story
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: that I did not create.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: And so good on them.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: I just want to say that they did well and
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: they protected the victims here. And now you're telling the story.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: One of the things I understand is that you have
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: not been able to get Laura Owens on the show
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: or her parents, which would be, I think both would
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: be great gets. And probably at this point, It's not
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: going to cause more harm. Maybe get some more clarity.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: If anything, I think it would bring to light some
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: of the things, even if she was just open with
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: you about where she was at mentally and why she
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: was doing what she was doing.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: Is there a chance still that you can get them on?
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: I mean, I always said from the very beginning that
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: I would love to talk to Laura. And my background,
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: my job before this was I worked for a nonpartisan
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: news network. And the best example I can give to
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: you of that is that in 2024, I covered the
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: Republican National Convention and the Democratic National Convention. I can
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: listen to both sides. I cannot agree with. things on
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: both sides i cannot agree with a lot of things
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: on one side um and i could still listen and
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: i always wanted to listen to laura and i wanted
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: to hear her side of the story and she was
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: not willing to share that with me um would i
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: still like to talk to her well she's busy for
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: like the next 28 days at the very least um
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: and uh she's booked that's for sure yeah uh busy
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: i'm not sure Uh, but, um, at this point, I
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: don't think I'd even want, I don't, I don't even
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: think I'd have a question for her because I don't
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: think she can tell the truth. And I think it
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: would just be frustrating. The whole time I was doing
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: this podcast, I would come up with questions as things
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: would come up and I would keep a running list
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: of all the questions that I thought I would want
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: to ask her one day if I could actually speak
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: with her. And as we sit here today, like, I
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: don't think that it would be satisfying for anybody because
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: I don't think she can tell the truth.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: What about her family?
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: I don't think they can tell the truth either. I
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: think it would be equally as frustrating. Her parents have
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: said that they support her full stop. And in the
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: sentencing hearing on Friday, her mom even said when she
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: spoke that Laura was, in fact, pregnant by Clayton. And
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: that was adjudicated in court two years ago that she wasn't. So,
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's there, there's still some delusion, I think.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: And I, it's mostly just frustrating.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's where like, that's where it gets frustrating.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Cause you kind of have to throw out those statements
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: with like, that's not true. We know that's not true,
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: but you're living in a narrative that is so far
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: off from the truth that, What is that? I mean,
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: where does that come from? At some point, I know
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: people in my life, right? I mean, most of my
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: life is dealing with people that are facing some type
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: of injustice in this world. And I've ran into people
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: who are liars and good at it. But if you're
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: around them long enough and you have enough proof To
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: show them, I have never met anybody that just keeps
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: doubling down even when it's so clear to everybody else
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: that they're not telling the truth. Yeah.
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: Even at the sentencing hearing when Laura was talking about
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: how she was sorry, she said she's sorry for the
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: bad choices she made. She never said, I lied. She
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: never said what she did. She just said she was
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: sorry for making bad choices and hurting people. It was never,
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry for faking a pregnancy. I'm sorry for harassing you, Clayton.
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry for targeting you, Clayton. It was none of that.
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: It was just a very generic speech, in my opinion.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: So yeah, at the end of the day, I don't
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: think that she's ever going to give us the truth,
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: the real truth anyway.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we listened to her talk. She mentioned
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: she'd lost 50 pounds. she mentioned her dad who she
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: helps care for and animals that she helps care for.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: And why that was kind of her plea to, Hey,
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: please don't put me in jail.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: They need me. Did you get.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: The sense that she was remorseful once the sentencing was
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: handed down?
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: No, I think that she was scared of going to
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: jail or prison. And that's where the emotion came from.
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: It wasn't that she was actually sorry. And you can,
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: the way that I see that and the reason that
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: I believe that is because instead of addressing the victims
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: and apologizing for what she did, it was back to
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: the victim narrative about how the online community has spoken
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: really poorly of her and how it's been really hard
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: for her. That's the time that you hear the emotion
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: in her speech. It wasn't because she was sorry. It
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: was because she was the victim or calling herself the victim.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: And we also have to remember that, That like I
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: don't believe that anybody deserves the level of hate in
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: some instances that she's gotten online. I don't think that's
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: right in any case, way, shape or form. Like I don't.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: But nobody would be talking about Laura if she didn't
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: make this public in the first place. Like she's the
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: one that took this to the media. She's the one
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: that emailed the reporter at the Sun trying to get
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: the story out. And that's how the story was released publicly.
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: So she's the one that did that.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, let's, you know, we can hold two things equal.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Nobody deserves hate and death threats and fear. Nobody deserves that. However,
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: sometimes you do bring it upon yourself, not for those things,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: but you open yourself up to criticism in life. And that, yes,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: did it go too far?
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: I'm sure it does.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: It does.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: Every history tells us.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, you as The Bachelor, you knew that. And
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: when you went on the TV show as The Bachelor,
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: you knew people were going to have opinions about you online.
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: Yes or no?
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: Yes, 100%. You just know it.
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: Right. So when you take a story publicly like that,
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: you have to take the good with the bad. And
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: even in podcasting, like, I don't know about you, but
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: sometimes I read the reviews on Love Trapped and I'm like, oh,
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: that one hurt. Like, yeah. So, I mean, she opened
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: herself up. She's the one that opened herself up to
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: public opinion.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: A big question for me is she's now in jail
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: for 30 days. From what you know about Laura and
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: what you've seen along the way, what do you think
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: happens when she's released from jail? She's obviously on probation
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: for seven years, but does she fly under the radar?
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Does she do a big media interview? What do you think?
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: What do you expect to happen?
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: You know, Clayton and I joke about this a lot. Like,
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: neither of us can predict her. Every time we try
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: to predict something, we're usually wrong. So take this with
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: a grain of salt. I don't think there's a world
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: in which she is not at some point going to
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: want attention from this. I don't know if it'll be
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: right away. I don't know if she'll get out of
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: jail and go back to Medium and write a blog
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: about it. But her probation did come with an internet
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: stipulation or a computer stipulation that And basically that means
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: that like she has to ask for permission to use
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: the Internet. But I mean, I think there's probably ways
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: around that, like using someone else's phone or, you know,
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: I'm not 100 percent clear on on those that part
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: of the probation yet. But that is part of it.
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: So I don't know what she's going to be allowed
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: to do. I don't know if she's going to be
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: allowed to post on social media. But I don't think
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: there's a world in which Laura, when she gets out
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: of jail, just stops and goes away. I think that
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: we're this is not the last that we're going to
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: see of her.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Does she live with her parents?
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: Yes, she lives in a casita behind their house, but
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: their house is in foreclosure and it's set for foreclosure
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: auction on December 23rd. So they've gotten it pushed a
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: few times. So we'll see what's next for them in December.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Is that, did it go into foreclosure once the court
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: case started?
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: Well, her parents filed bankruptcy. Laura filed bankruptcy. Her parents
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: filed bankruptcy. It's very complicated, but yeah, because they weren't
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: paying their mortgage. So it went into foreclosure and they've
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: kind of been punting it and getting it delayed. And
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: right now the foreclosure auction is set for December. So
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: Laura lives with her parents now and probably until December 23rd,
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: but will they still have the house in December?
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Who knows?
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Goodness. I mean, you're not stopping the podcast, right?
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: Well, the last episode of season one is going to
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: come out on Thursday, November 12th, and it's going to
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: be the wrap up of the sentencing. The sentencing is
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: kind of the end of it. There has to be
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: a point where this stops.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: It doesn't sound like it needs to. Sounds like the
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: story keeps going.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: I'm tired, Ben.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: I'm tired.
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the sentencing was kind of like the finality and
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: the little bow on this that we were kind of
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: waiting for. There's still going to be stuff because Laura
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: is not going to stop, but we are going to
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: do a season two of Love Trap. It'll just be
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: a different story. And, you know, if Laura does something,
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: there could be a bonus episode. You never know. I'm
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: not making any promises, but if something big happens, like,
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to stop following it.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: I can't. That's the big news, though. For all the
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: people out there that have listened, I mean, Love Trap
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: will have a season two. It will be a different
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: story that you follow. You need to get some rest, Stephanie,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: in between now and then.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Please.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Please. But then also, if Laura does come with updates
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: or any of the victims come out with updates, you
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: will still kind of follow along and keep us informed.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Final couple questions about that love trap specifically. What has
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: been the listener response?
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: Is it what you expected? Is it positive? Is it negative? Like,
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: how have you gone through it?
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: I feel very lucky that it's been mostly positive, right?
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: like we said, when you open yourself up to public opinion,
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: and you know, you kind of write this narrative podcast,
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: I think we put all the scripts together at one point,
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: it was like almost 400 pages. And you think about that,
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: and that's wild. But like, you've spent all this time
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: doing something, then you like put it out in the world,
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: and you just like have to accept the feedback. And
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: you know, with podcast reviews on Apple, at the very least,
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: like you can't respond to them. So it's like, You know,
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: the one star, too many ads, like the story was great,
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: but there's too many ads or like what, you know,
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: it's crazy. And I'm like, wait, no, but the content
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: was good, right? So the response has really been overall positive.
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: And I think that it's really like shined a light
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: on what Clayton went through. And like you mentioned, there
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: was that time, there was that period where he was
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: fighting this battle alone and people didn't know what was
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: going on during that time because he didn't really ever
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: talk about it publicly. But I read all the emails
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: and I read all the text messages and we talked
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: about it. And for him to have like suicidal ideation
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: during that time, it is just really sad that that's what,
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: what she did to him. And while there was no
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: like violent crime, I think that we need to take
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: into account the emotional and mental trauma that these men
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: have gone through and the other victims stormy whose ultrasound
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: she stole. So it's not just even men. Like it's,
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: it's the whole thing.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: We do have to mention the stormy.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: And it's also just like, maybe it's just my own
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: like way of thinking, but I'm like, Well, Clayton's had
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: to talk about receiving oral sex publicly way too many
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: times now. Like that in itself is embarrassing, right? You
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: don't usually have to be like, yeah, that's what happened.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: This is how this went down. This is what happened afterwards.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: Like that in.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Itself is embarrassing. And he's had to do that publicly.
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: In front of strangers. And in court.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: Like that is, that's not fun.
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: Right. And then everybody's seeing his text messages too. Like there's,
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: he has nothing to hide, but like, if somebody like
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: went in my phone and was looking through all my
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: text messages, I'd be like, I don't want those public.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: You know, you talk to your friends about stuff that
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: you don't want publicly, but yeah, it's, it was a
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: long road for him. And while the sentence wasn't, I
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: don't think what he wanted. I, again, I don't want
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: to speak for him, even though he did tell me
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: that yesterday. It wasn't what he wanted, but there is
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: some sort of a consequence. And at the end of
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: the day, this story really is about holding someone account
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: community and the support that comes along with it. And
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: I think that, you know, I don't think the community
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: let him down.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: No, I mean, and the justice for Clayton movement was
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: a huge element in uncovering information and obviously listening to
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: love trapped and, and, continuing to investigate and dig in.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: And I do think that in itself is helpful and
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: will probably be the love trapped community from here on out.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: Goodness gracious. I hope so.
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: The sleuthers and investigators at our homes will be incredible
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: based on this show and it does engage them, but
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: then also there is some good that comes out of it.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Like there is you know, the justice, but then also
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: the community, as you said, I think we forget that
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: there was a period of time.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: And I do remember that.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: And I don't like that I originally jumped at the
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: conclusion that, oh, Clayton, what did you do? Why?
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: You know, make a good decision, man.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Like, I don't love that I jumped to that conclusion,
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: but I admittedly did. And I'm sorry for that. But
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: you look back and during when I was feeling that way,
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Clayton was feeling isolated and alone and having these really
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: terrible feelings about himself. And I think the Justice for
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Clayton movement helped lift him up and say, hey, you're
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: not alone.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: We're reading. We're reading here. We understand it.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: And then Love Trap came out and will continue to
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: be a benefit to those who are falsely accused or
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: whatever in the world story comes across your table next.
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: And I think that that's what really resonates with people
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: about this story is that Laura presented that she's had
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: all these experience happen to her, like, you know, having
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: to make the decision to have an abortion, having miscarriages,
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: being domestically abused, like all of these things. And when
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: she's recounting these stories, there's people that this has really
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: happened to. And, you know, they're the ones that are
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: poking holes in her story. Like, that's not how this works.
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: That's not how pregnancy works. Like, that's not what a
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: miscarriage is like. And as they're doing that, they find this, like,
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: it's almost like justice for their stories, I think, in
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: this because it's happened to them. And so it resonates
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: with them where they're, like, trying to find justice in
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: this situation because maybe they didn't get it in their
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: own situation when it happened to them. And I think
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: that's one of the big reasons this resonates with people.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great point.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: So the offer is still on the table for Laura
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Owens to come and jumped on Love Trapped and let
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: you interview her.
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: I mean, I would do it again. I think it
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: would be extremely frustrating for me, but hey, I'd give
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: it a whirl.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: Come on, why not?
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Everyone, if you haven't already, go listen to Love Trapped
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: to get a really well-produced and investigated podcast on the
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: insane story. The final episode will be coming out on
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: November 12th.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: I'd actually think.
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  Speaker 2: You're, maybe if you haven't listened to it yet, you
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  Speaker 2: could be of benefit if you just go and listen
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  Speaker 2: to it starting November 12th, because so much of the
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  Speaker 2: questions and the cliffhangers and the I don't knows are
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  Speaker 2: now known. And so you can kind of follow along
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  Speaker 2: with it all being at least to this point at
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  Speaker 2: a conclusion with the sentencing being handed down.
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  Speaker 3: So if you haven't listened to it yet, it's not
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  Speaker 3: too late. Go listen to it. Love Trapped.
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  Speaker 2: Again, Stephanie, thank you for jumping on here on the
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Almost Famous Podcast. And kudos to all of the people
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  Speaker 2: behind the scenes on the Justice for Clayton movement to
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  Speaker 2: help make this all also happen. You did good work.
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  Speaker 2: And maybe you can take a nap too. It's time
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  Speaker 2: to maybe just rest because if you like the sentencing
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  Speaker 2: or not, it's done. And get ready for season two
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: of Love Trap.
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  Speaker 3: Appreciate you. Thank you.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me.
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