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Disappearances of Terrance Williams and Felipe Santos · Murder Files Unsealed

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Speaker 1: All right, get ready, because today we're going deep on
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a story. Oh yeah, that is going to leave you thinking,
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what in the world happen here? Yeah, we're talking about
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Felipe Santo's and Terrence Williams. Oh wow, two men who
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disappeared from Naples, Florida after encounters with the same deputy sheriff.
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Speaker 2: Interesting.
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Speaker 1: Now we've got this investigative journalism piece and it just
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lays out all the details and we're going to unpack
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it all for you today. No theories here, no speculations,
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the facts, just the facts, the evidence and the giant
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gaping unanswered questions.
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Speaker 2: I love it. Yeah, this case, it's just it's fascinating
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because it's like, you know, are we even trying to
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find a bad guy? Or like, was there even a
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crime committed? It's just so hard to tell what the
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evidence we have or I guess the lack of evidence.
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Speaker 1: Lack of evidence.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's uh interesting, very suspicious.
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Speaker 2: Though, extremely Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So let's introduce everybody to Felipe Santo's and Terrence Williams. Okay, okay,
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So Felipe was twenty three years old, Okay, quiet, hard
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working guy from Mexico, devoted father to his baby daughter,
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worked really hard to support his family.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good guy, now, it sounds like it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Terrence was twenty seven years old, oh God, known
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for his love of philosophy.
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Speaker 2: Oh wow.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Socrates was his jam, okay, and he dreamed of
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opening his own barbershop. Right, and he was also devoted
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father to his young son.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So you've got these two guys, young guys, families with families,
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just trying to make a good life, right, Right. It's
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really unsettling how they both just disappeared, it is, it is.
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There's kind of another layer to this too.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Felipe was Latino, Terrence was black, and the deputy they
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both encountered, Creeble, Stephen Holkins, he was white. Okay, So
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that brings up the issue of race, which, unfortunately, you know,
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is a factor in case.
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Speaker 2: It's hard to ignore that aspect of it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, especially at the time and the location.
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Speaker 2: Especially back then. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, this is a big part of the
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public perception of this case and all the controversy around
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the investigation, I can imagine. Yeah. Yeah, So let's actually
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get into the disappearances.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: Felipe vanished first October fourteenth, two thousand and three. He
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was on his way to work and he got into
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like a fender bender. Oh, just a minor accident. Okay,
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he didn't have a license or insurance. Oh, and that's
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where Debuty Culkin shows up. Okay, So he responds to
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the accent, and instead of arresting Felipe, he decides to
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give him a ride.
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Speaker 3: To a circle K, to a circle K.
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Speaker 1: Just a few blocks away. And that's the last anybody
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ever saw him.
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Speaker 2: And this is where it gets tricky, because there's no
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proof that he ever even made it to the circle K.
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Did that happen? Did he even get in the car?
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You don't even know.
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Speaker 1: Culkin said, he decided to give him a break and
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just issued him some siteats, But the citations never turned up.
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Speaker 2: That's weird.
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Speaker 1: So did he even write them? Who knows? Right? And
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Phelip has just gone just puff vanished.
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Speaker 2: It's like he disappeared into thin air exactly. Wow.
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Speaker 1: So three months later, January twelve, two thousand and four,
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All right, now we've got Terrence's disappearance. He was pulled
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over by you guessed it, Deputy Culkins. Of course, of course,
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same guy.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
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Speaker 1: And Terrence was also driving without a valid license. Okay.
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Witnesses saw Culkins patting Terrence down and putting him in
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the patrol car.
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Speaker 2: Oh.
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Speaker 1: Culkins later said he gave Terrence a ride to a
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different circle.
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Speaker 2: Case for another circle k Yeah, okay.
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Speaker 1: Supposedly because his car had broken down, but again, no
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evidence he ever got there.
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Speaker 2: It's so strange.
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Speaker 1: So we've got two guys, two men, both stopped by
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the same deputy, same deputy, supposedly given rides to convenience.
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Speaker 2: Stores, different ones though, that's interesting.
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Speaker 1: Different ones yep. And then they're just both gone. You
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can't ignore the parallels.
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Speaker 2: You know, definitely not.
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Speaker 1: So who is his deputy, Culkins?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, fill me in.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So he was a sixteen year veteran the Collier
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County Sheriff's office. Before that, he was a farmer. Interesting,
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and he was also a security guard.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: He kind of had a mixed reputation.
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Speaker 2: Oh really.
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Speaker 1: Some people, even people of different races, said he was
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actually a really decent guy, described him even as a
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hero for saving lives on duty, all right, But some others,
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like a former deputy named Charles Peterson, believed he was
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racially prejudiced.
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Speaker 2: Oh wow, so.
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Speaker 1: You've got this contradiction.
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Speaker 2: That's so interesting.
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Speaker 1: It makes Caulkins really interesting. It does is he this
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you know, hero type guy or is my villain?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Got these biases going on.
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Speaker 2: It makes you think, you know, can someone be both?
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Like what does that say about that person?
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Speaker 1: Human nature?
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Speaker 2: Especially when they're given power?
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Speaker 1: For sure, that's when it comes out.
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Speaker 2: I think it's like a question that just hangs over
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this entire case.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And there's something else weird about Culkins.
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Speaker 1: Oh really Yeah?
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Speaker 2: So for three years, okay, starting in two thousand and one,
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he stopped making arrests. He just he stopped filed hundreds
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of incident reports, responded to all these calls, but no arrests.
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Speaker 1: That's crazy, Which is.
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Speaker 2: Weird because both Felipe and Terence could have been arrested.
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It could have easily, you know, for driving without a license. Right,
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So what happened? Why did he changed all of a sudden.
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Speaker 1: Makes you wonder maybe he just got disillusioned with the system. Yeah,
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or maybe he was trying to, you know, avoid creating
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that paper trail.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Maybe that's a big red flag for sure.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is. So let's go back to Felipe's disappearance.
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And look at the accident. There was a woman who
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witnessed it. Her name was Camille Locke, and.
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Speaker 1: She said that Caulkins when he showed up, Yeah, just
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seemed really annoyed by the whole thing. Oh, really, like
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visibly annoyed. She said, he seemed tired of dealing with
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people who didn't have licenses or insurance. Okay, So it
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just makes you wonder, like, why drive Felipe all the
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way to a.
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Speaker 2: Circle k, especially one that's further away.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's further away. Why not one closer?
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Speaker 2: There had to be one closer, right, That's strange.
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Speaker 1: That just doesn't make sense. Yeah, and then there's the
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whole thing with the sign tickets.
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Speaker 2: Okay, what about them?
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Speaker 1: The signatures don't match Felipe's at all, and they ruled
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out Calkins okay, through handwriting analysis, So who signed them? Right?
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Who signed them?
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Speaker 2: That is so weird.
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Speaker 1: And then the timeline's even weirder when you consider that witnesses,
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including Camille Latch, remember seeing Caulkins leaving with Felipe way
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earlier than he officially reported.
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Speaker 2: So there's a gap.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, almost two hours.
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Speaker 2: Two hours unaccounted for.
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Speaker 1: We have no idea what happened.
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Speaker 2: That's a lot of time.
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Speaker 1: Could be crucial for sure. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
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Speaker 1: And this is where it gets frustrating. Yeah, because back
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then they didn't really track officers' movements that well. I see,
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So we don't have GPS data from his patrol car. Yeah,
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we don't have phone records, right, So frustrating.
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Speaker 2: We just have this missing information.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it could be the key.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it could be the key to the whole thing.
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Speaker 1: So the internal Affairs investigation, which was led by straight
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Doug Turner, found Calkin's account of that day. Yeah, very
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strange in what way he was evasive. He wouldn't answer
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questions directly. Oh really, he would just recite his official
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report like word for word, word for a word.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
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Speaker 1: So they did a ton of searches. Yeah, never found
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any trace of Felipe.
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Speaker 2: So what did they say happened?
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Speaker 1: Well, they thought officially that Felipe, because he was undocumented, yeah,
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might have just taken off cop avoid law enforcement. But
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everybody who knew him said, no.
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Speaker 2: Way, Yeah, that doesn't sound like him.
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Speaker 1: He had a white and a newborn daughter. He absolutely
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adored them. He's a responsible guy, hard working, So why
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would he just.
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Speaker 2: Vanish just abandon his family.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't fit, doesn't make sense. So then we've got
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Terrence's disappearance three months later. Yeah, Now, Terrence.
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Speaker 3: He knew, he was aware, he was aware of.
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Speaker 2: The dangers, especially for black men, especially for black men.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, police encounters. So when he was pulled over, yea,
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he made sure to stop his car and this well
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lit cemetery parking lot, there were witnesses.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: One of those witnesses was Jeff Cross. He was a
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cemetery worker, and he saw everything.
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Speaker 2: He saw the whole interaction.
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Speaker 1: He saw the whole interaction between Culkins and Terrence. Yeah,
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he saw Culkins pat him down and then drive away
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with him in the patrol car. It just seemed like
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a normal traffic.
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Speaker 2: Stop, right routine.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So everybody was shocked when he didn't come back.
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Speaker 2: Oh wow.
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Speaker 1: But what's really disturbing about Terrence's case is this recorded
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phone call what between Calkins and another deputy Okay, this
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guy named Dave Jolliker. They were talking about towing Terrence's car, okay,
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and Calkins was using this fake.
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Speaker 2: Accent, like mocking him or something.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was really bad.
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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
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Speaker 1: And he was using really unprofessional language, like he was
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referring to the car as belonging to one of the
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brothers up in Fort Myers. Oh wow, it's just chilling.
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Speaker 2: That's awful.
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Speaker 1: You hear that kind of like, yeah, casual dehumanization.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it just adds to that whole you know, racial
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aspect of this whole thing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. Wow, but it gets weirder. So later
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Calkins ran a warrants check on Terrence using a fake
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date of birth. Who Now, Terrence sometimes gave this fake
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date of birth to police, but it wasn't on any
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official record. So how did Calkins know this? Right?
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Speaker 2: How did you know that date of birth?
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Speaker 1: The only explanation, yeah, is that he had more contact.
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Speaker 3: With Terrence after the traffic stop.
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Speaker 1: After the stop he denied.
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Speaker 2: He denied it, Yeah, vehemently, of course he did.
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Speaker 1: And then you've got the issue of these phantom traffic stops.
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Speaker 2: What do you mean?
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Speaker 1: So Caulkin said that day he made two other stops
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and wrote citations for both, but they never found any
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record of those citations.
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Speaker 3: So they just disappeared, They just vanished.
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Speaker 1: Wow, So was he making this up? Right?
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Speaker 2: Was he trying to you know.
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Speaker 1: To create an alibi, Yeah, create an alibi. So it
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seemed like he was somewhere else, right, he was busy
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during the time he could have been with Terrence.
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Speaker 2: Wow, that's what investigators think happened.
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Speaker 1: That's what they think.
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Speaker 3: Wow.
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Speaker 1: He even called in the license plate numbers. Oh really
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for these supposed stops.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
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Speaker 1: But the citation's gone.
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Speaker 2: That is wild, especially with everything else.
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Speaker 1: We know, right, it just seems way too convenient, way
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too convenient. The dispatcher who spoke with him that day, okay,
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her name was Kathy Marchie. Okay, she was openly suspicious.
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Speaker 2: What did she say.
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Speaker 1: She said she believed that he was guilty a sin.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
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Speaker 1: And a lot of people who followed the case felt
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the same way.
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Speaker 2: But without proof, Yeah, any evidence.
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Speaker 1: Just suspicion. Then there are all these rumors flying around.
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Oh really that Terrence was seen alive after his disappearance. Okay,
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But investigators looked into it, defunked, all of.
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Speaker 2: Them, couldn't find anything.
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Speaker 1: Nothing. Wow, Just like with Felipe, extensive searches. Nothing.
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Speaker 2: So both families just left in limbo.
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Speaker 3: Horrible, just horrible.
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Speaker 2: Not knowing what happened to their loved ones.
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Speaker 1: Just awful.
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Speaker 2: It's just I can't even imagine.
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Speaker 1: It's like a nightmare.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So, after all this happened, there were internal investigations into
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both Calkins. Angela Kurr focused on that phone.
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Speaker 2: Call, that awful phone call.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, with the fake accent and the fensive remarks.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so what happened.
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Speaker 1: They both got reprimanded okay officially, but neither one faced
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criminal charges.
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Speaker 2: So they just got like a slap on the wrist basically.
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Speaker 1: And then Sheriff John Hunter released a statement What did
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he say? Saying that both Felipe and Terence might have
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been avoiding law enforcement on purpose?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, why would he say that?
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Speaker 1: Because illegal troubles, you know.
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Speaker 2: Oh so he's saying like they just took.
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Speaker 1: Off, Yeah, like they were on the run or something.
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Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's gonna make people.
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Speaker 1: Man. People were furious. Yeah, especially the people who knew
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Felipe and Terrence. They said, there's no way.
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Speaker 2: It felt like he was dismissing the possibility of anything
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bad happening, like he was just trying to sweep it
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under the rug.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And remember Philippe's family, they didn't even know if
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he was dead.
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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that's awful.
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Speaker 1: It's just horrible.
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Speaker 2: It's just how could he say that?
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Speaker 1: But there was one person who never doubted what happened.
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Who's that Terrence's mom, Marcilla Williams. Okay, she always believed
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that Coulkins was responsible.
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Speaker 2: Good for her.
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Speaker 1: She was so vocal demanding justice. Yeah, you would not
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let this case go away.
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Speaker 2: She sounds like a strong woman.
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Speaker 1: She was incredibly strong. Hired Benjamin Crump.
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Speaker 2: Oh wow, the civil rights attorney. Yeah, that's a big deal.
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Speaker 1: You got to file a wrongful death lawsuit.
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Speaker 2: Against Calkins since Caulkins, Yeah, wow, what happened with that?
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Speaker 1: Well, the arbitrator said that Culkins was incredible.
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Speaker 2: Right, Like, he didn't believe him, but he said.
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Speaker 1: There wasn't enough evidence, Oh no, to prove that he
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was responsible for Terrence's death.
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Speaker 2: So he ruled in Culkin's favor.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but then get this, Wow, Crump's team missed a
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filing deadline. Oh so the case was.
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Speaker 3: Dismissed before it even went to trial. Before trial, Are
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you serious?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's heartbreaking.
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Speaker 1: There's a huge blow for Marcia. Yeah, and a legal
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win for Caulkins.
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Speaker 2: Wow. Even though they didn't believe him.
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Speaker 1: Even though he had serious doubts Wow about Caulkins's honesty,
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that's crazy. So remember those three sets of human.
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Speaker 2: Remains, Yeah, you mentioned those earlier.
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Speaker 1: Found along Immochally Road right in Caulkins Old Patrol area.
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Speaker 2: Oh wow.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they still haven't identified two of them still, but
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one of them was Sergio Guerrero okay, men immigrant Okay,
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and officially his case, yeah, it's not related to Felipe
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and Terence Okay, but it just adds another layer.
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Speaker 3: It's suspicious, yeah to this whole thing.
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Speaker 2: So what happened to Sergio?
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Speaker 1: So he was last seen around Easter of two thousand
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and three, Okay, just a few months before Felipe disappeared. Right,
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they found his remains with a gunshot wound to the head.
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Speaker 2: Oh my god.
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Speaker 1: I guess where they found him. You're the same circle,
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k o way with Culkin said he dropped off Felipe.
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Speaker 2: That's too much of a coincidence. It's crazy, right, Yeah,
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is there a connection?
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Speaker 1: You have to wonder do they think so? Officially? No,
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officially now they say there's no evidence linking Calkins to
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Sergio's death, and they're keeping the investigation separate even though.
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Speaker 2: It's like the same area.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, same area, everything frustrating. Yeah, it's really frustrating. So
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after Calkins was fired, he worked at UPS for a
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little while, but even there his temper got him trouble.
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What happened He had this blow up with his coworkers,
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oh wow, started cursing everybody out, Oh my gosh, and
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quit on the spot, just walked out.
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Speaker 2: Yeah wow.
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Speaker 1: So eventually he sold his house in Florida and moved
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to Iowa, Iowa.
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Speaker 2: Wow, I guess you got to get out of town, right, Yeah.
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Speaker 1: But that whole thing at UPS. It's kind of telling,
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isn't it. It is.
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Speaker 2: It shows he can't handle, you know, pressure, criticism. Yeah,
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it sounds like it.
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Speaker 1: And this is a guy who had a badge and
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a gun.
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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, you're right.
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Speaker 1: So what happens when someone like that loses it?
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Speaker 2: Right? It's a scary thought, it really is. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So after he moved to Iowa, investigators finally got to
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search his property.
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Speaker 2: Oh wow, finally.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. They brought in cadaver dogs, ground penetrating radar, the
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whole everything. Yeah, and they found a suspicious area near
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this concrete slab in the backyard. But after all that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, nothing, it didn't find anything.
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Speaker 1: No, conclusive evidence. They found some black plastic and a
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piece of electrical cord, but it was too degraded to
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test for DNA.
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Speaker 2: Oh wow, another dead end.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, just another dead end.
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Speaker 2: It's amazing, you know, with all the technology we have today,
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sometimes they just can't get the answers.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the Earth is just holding onto its secrets.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like it's right there, but they can't get
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to it.
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Speaker 1: So we've got this former deputy with this shady past. Yeah,
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two missing men, three sets of human remains.
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Speaker 2: Had a whole lot of questions.
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Speaker 1: It's just crazy how he was doing all these good deeds.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, like saving lives.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, helping people on the side of the road.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, mister good guy.
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Speaker 1: And then all this other stuff, the lies, Yeah, suspicious behavior.
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Speaker 2: It's like which one is it?
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Speaker 1: Like, who is this guy?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Who is this guy? Really?
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Speaker 1: And you listen to that recording, an awful recording where
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he calls Felipe and Terrence scumbags. Oh god, it's just
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it gives me chills because it's so different from how
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he acted.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, mister nice guy.
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Speaker 1: And the official interviews, like you had.
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Speaker 2: This mask on on, you know, and then he slipped up.
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Speaker 1: It's like you get this little glimpse.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, a little peak behind the.
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Speaker 1: Curtain, a little peak behind the curtain of.
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Speaker 2: Who he really is. It really makes you question.
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Speaker 1: Everything, Yeah, like who was this guy exactly? So where
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does that leave us?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Where are we now?
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Speaker 1: We've looked at all this evidence.
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Speaker 2: Right, all the details, We've.
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Speaker 1: Thought about, all the possibilities, the what ifs, but we
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still don't know what really happened.
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Speaker 2: It's still a mystery.
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Speaker 1: Two families are still out there, yeah with no answers.
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Speaker 2: And Cokin just walks away, Yeah.
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Speaker 1: With this cloud of suspicion hanging over him.
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Speaker 2: Right. But it's bigger than that. It is it's about power. Yeah,
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it's about who gets held accountable. It's about how hard
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it is to get justice.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, when it seems like the system is working.
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Speaker 2: Against you, it's like it's set up to protect certain people.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes you think about like the founding principles
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of this country.
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Speaker 2: Right, justice, equality?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but those ideals they.
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Speaker 2: Don't apply to everyone.
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Speaker 1: No, not always.
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Speaker 2: That's sad.
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Speaker 1: So what can we take away from all of this?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? What have we learned.
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Speaker 1: After going so deep on this case?
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Speaker 2: What's the takeaway?
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Speaker 1: Here. Well, it's clear that we have to hold people
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in power.
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Speaker 2: Accountable absolutely, no matter who they are.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we can't just ignore inconsistencies.
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Speaker 3: Or weird behavior, suspicious activity.
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Speaker 1: We've got to demand transparency and thorough investigations.
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Speaker 2: Every single time, every time, no exceptions.
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Speaker 1: And it's just heartbreaking to think about what these families
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went through.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the human costs.
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Speaker 1: They had to fight so hard.
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Speaker 2: Just to get answers, just to get answers, and they
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didn't even get that. We got roadblocks, setbacks. Yeah, it's awful.
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Speaker 1: The system is not perfect.
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Speaker 2: No system is perfect.
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Speaker 1: It's got gaps and flaws.
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Speaker 2: And sometimes people exploit that. And that's why it's so
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important to talk about these cases.
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Speaker 1: You have to talk about them, Yeah, to analyze them,
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to learn from them, so we don't forget right.
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Speaker 2: We can't let them just fade away.
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Speaker 1: You're going to keep asking the questions, keep demanding accountability,
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and keep pushing for a system that works for everyone.
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Speaker 2: That's fair. We can't just sit back and do nothing right.
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Speaker 1: We can't be complacent.
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Speaker 3: Kind of stand in form, stay informed, stay.
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Speaker 2: Vigilant, short the families.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, support those who are fighting for.
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Speaker 2: Justice and hopefully by doing that, Yeah, we can prevent
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this from happening again, that's what we hope for. Yeah,
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prevent these tragedies.
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Speaker 1: So that wraps up our deep dive into this.
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Speaker 2: Case, a case that is just full of unanswered questions,
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so many questions. Yeah, so many twists and turns.
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Speaker 1: But we hope that by talking about it, by looking
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at the evidence, yeah, we can help spark some.
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Speaker 2: Change, raise awareness, raise awareness, so we can get a
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little closer to a world where everybody gets justice.
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Speaker 1: Well said, thank you, So we encourage you to keep
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learning about these kinds of cases.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the missing persons cases.
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Speaker 1: Fight for justice.
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Speaker 2: It's so important.
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Speaker 1: Keep those brains working.
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Speaker 2: Keep thinking critically, and.
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Speaker 1: We'll see next time. See you next time, brother. Fascinating
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exploration