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The Late Debate | 30 December · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Wait, Wait, Welcome to the Wait plan.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the program.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Free Leach, joined by Claire Rowe and Joe Hildebrand.
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  Speaker 3: Coming up tonight. Albot promised an effective and transparent government,
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  Speaker 3: but wait till you hear the number of bipartisan parliamentary
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  Speaker 3: reports his government has failed to action.
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  Speaker 2: It really makes.
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  Speaker 3: You wonder what are all these MPs getting paid to do?
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  Speaker 3: Plus romantic relationships across the political divide, can they work?
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  Speaker 3: Political differences turn out to be a major stress point
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  Speaker 3: for a surprising number of Australian couples, and AI can
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  Speaker 3: be scary, but AI toys for kids are plane terrifying.
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  Speaker 3: We'll show you a Chinese AI kids toy that talks
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  Speaker 3: about explicit material and parrots CCP talking points to children.
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  Speaker 3: But first, Labour's snap review of Australia's intelligence agencies aka
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  Speaker 3: Albanese's weak substitute for a Royal Commission doesn't even mention
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  Speaker 3: anti semitism, hate preachers, Islamic state inspired extremism, or attacks
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  Speaker 3: on Jewish Australians.
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  Speaker 2: And now he's claiming that the.
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  Speaker 3: Real experts don't even want a Royal commission. That's despite
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  Speaker 3: pleas from the families of Bondai victims, Jewish leaders, over
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  Speaker 3: one hundred top silks, a former High Court Chief Justice
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  Speaker 3: and members of his own backbench.
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  Speaker 2: What does he have to hide?
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  Speaker 3: Well, thankfully the opposition is onto it, and Susan Lee
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  Speaker 3: she gave it to him.
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  Speaker 4: Today the Prime Minister is shouting over the top of
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  Speaker 4: these victims' voices and saying that he knows what victims
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  Speaker 4: can and cannot cope with. They feel disrespected, they feel patronized.
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  Speaker 2: Today the Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 4: Said that experts had advised against a Commonwealth royal commission.
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  Speaker 4: What experts he should provide this advice? And may I
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  Speaker 4: present the Prime Minister with the experts themselves the victims' families.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the key point here, surely, Claire.
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  Speaker 3: No one is more entitled to know what the best
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  Speaker 3: approach here is. Of course we've talked about the silks,
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  Speaker 3: the chief Justices, everyone who's come out supporting this royal commission.
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  Speaker 3: But the families of the victims themselves they want this.
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  Speaker 2: And I understand why.
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  Speaker 3: But for Almo to turn around and say, oh no, well,
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  Speaker 3: the real experts they don't want this.
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  Speaker 2: Who does he think he is?
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  Speaker 1: It seems like a strange hill for he him to
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  Speaker 1: die on. For me, I just think, even if he
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  Speaker 1: has his reasoning, and I agree with so Lee, I'd
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  Speaker 1: like to know who the experts were, Like, give us
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more transparency and information. Who are the experts,
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  Speaker 1: and give us a little bit more detailed the reasoning
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  Speaker 1: as to why you want this at least as a
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  Speaker 1: state based inquiry, if nothing else. But for me in
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  Speaker 1: terms of political terms, the mounting pressure, I just don't
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  Speaker 1: see it going away. And for me, Joe just seems
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  Speaker 1: like a weird heel for you made alberta die on?
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  Speaker 1: Have you got any insights into that?
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  Speaker 5: Some? Yeah?
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  Speaker 6: I mean first and we are getting a state royal commission,
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  Speaker 6: So we are getting a royal permission into what led
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  Speaker 6: to the actual attack at Bondi on December fourteen, and
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  Speaker 6: the fact is into it and how we can stop
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  Speaker 6: that from ever happening again, although God knows, probably that's
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  Speaker 6: an impossible thing to be able to promise.
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  Speaker 5: I think.
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  Speaker 6: Albaneze is someone who will not be bullied into a position.
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  Speaker 6: And if he feels like he's being if people are
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  Speaker 6: sort of saying you have to do this, I think
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  Speaker 6: instinctively he says, well, no, I'm not going to do
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  Speaker 6: this just because you're trying to force my hand. And
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  Speaker 6: I think he feels that the whole, you know, the
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  Speaker 6: suite of other responses that he's announced, will you know,
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  Speaker 6: will fill the place of a federal royal commission and
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  Speaker 6: do so much more quickly than the experent like royal
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  Speaker 6: commissions take ages, they take years, and I think he
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  Speaker 6: just sort of feels, you know, he would. I think
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  Speaker 6: he's someone who would much rather like he's kind of
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  Speaker 6: he's a fixer.
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  Speaker 5: He's always been.
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  Speaker 6: A fixer his whole political career, and what he wants
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  Speaker 6: to do is basically go right, I'm going to do
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  Speaker 6: this or this and this. I think it's fair to
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  Speaker 6: say that he's gotten the mother of all wake up calls.
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  Speaker 6: And I think he's probably aware that, you know, that
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  Speaker 6: maybe he hasn't been strong enough or seen to have
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  Speaker 6: been strong enough on anti semitism. And a lot of
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  Speaker 6: what we're talking about here is perception. It is the
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  Speaker 6: fact that I mean, if you look at who was
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  Speaker 6: responsible for protecting the lives of the victims that day,
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  Speaker 6: it was in the federal government, it was the state government.
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  Speaker 6: But because Chris Mins is so strong in his language,
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  Speaker 6: and in declaring where he stands on anti Semitism, he's
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  Speaker 6: actually beloved by the Jewish community and rightly so. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: you can't blame you know, terror attacks happen in every jurisdiction, sadly,
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  Speaker 6: in every country of the world. They are going to happen,
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  Speaker 6: and you just got to make sure you're managing it.
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  Speaker 5: But I think it is.
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  Speaker 6: I think he feels a you know, that this is
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  Speaker 6: not necessarily genuine, that there are forces who perhaps never
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  Speaker 6: particularly liked him anyway, wanted to see him go down,
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  Speaker 6: and they're now trying to force him to hold a
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  Speaker 6: royal commission, knowing or hoping that it will be very
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  Speaker 6: damaging to him.
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  Speaker 5: And I think that is part of But that's the
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  Speaker 5: thing there.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, there has to be a real reason behind
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  Speaker 3: all the spin as to why he doesn't want this
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  Speaker 3: royal commission. Yesterday he was saying, oh, well, he doesn't
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  Speaker 3: want to replatform anti Semitism. Today his excuse is even weird.
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  Speaker 3: All the real experts, not the hundred silks former High
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  Speaker 3: Court Justice intelligence officials.
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  Speaker 2: They're not the real actual experts anymore.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it just seems like this is one massive
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  Speaker 3: cover up and now it's verging on insulting, turning around
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  Speaker 3: and saying, well, I know you Bondai massacre victim families.
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  Speaker 2: You want the truth, but the experts they just don't
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  Speaker 2: want that.
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  Speaker 6: This Yeah, well I don't think it's a cover up,
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  Speaker 6: but obviously why this is an issue that is one
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  Speaker 6: of the government streets.
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  Speaker 3: But if he doesn't have anything to hide, why is
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  Speaker 3: Chris Mins doing a state based royal commission but Albot
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  Speaker 3: won't do a federal one.
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  Speaker 1: This is the guy who screamed in opposition for a
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  Speaker 1: royal commission into you know, the robo dead. I think
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  Speaker 1: we had commissions into pink bats. I mean, we've had
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  Speaker 1: royal commissions into things where you think, you know, this
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  Speaker 1: could have been done with a government internal inquiry. But
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  Speaker 1: we're not going to have one for the biggest terrorist
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  Speaker 1: attack this country has ever seen. And as I said,
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  Speaker 1: I just think it's a strange hild to die on
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  Speaker 1: when you know the ounting pressure and you say he
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  Speaker 1: doesn't want to kind of give in to that if he,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and even if I believe that, it just
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  Speaker 1: is coming across as a little bit belligerent right to
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  Speaker 1: double down.
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  Speaker 6: I know how it comes across to some circles, and
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  Speaker 6: I think he's sort of seeing it from the opposite
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  Speaker 6: end of that that he is being you know, he
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  Speaker 6: is being blamed. There is a which hunt for him
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  Speaker 6: to blame everything that's happened on him, when technically, even
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  Speaker 6: if you haven't liked what his stance has been, I
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  Speaker 6: think that's a pretty you know, the whole blood on
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  Speaker 6: your hands thing. And so I think he thinks the
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  Speaker 6: narrative of a royal commission would not actually be to
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  Speaker 6: serve the interests of the victims or you know, even
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  Speaker 6: proper fully addressed anti Semitism, but it would be you know,
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  Speaker 6: who do we point the finger of blame at.
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  Speaker 3: But that's like saying the victims families are just doing
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  Speaker 3: this for political purposes. I think, of course, there are
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  Speaker 3: some corners, and I think the opposition has taken a
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  Speaker 3: political stance on this as well as a moral stance,
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  Speaker 3: and they should there the opposition. But I think for
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  Speaker 3: most and all victims families they just want answers.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's not happening and.
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  Speaker 5: That will come well.
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  Speaker 6: But again there are two So for the actual family,
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  Speaker 6: like the royal commission into the actual massacre, which is
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  Speaker 6: what the victims families obviously most conservative that is happening,
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  Speaker 6: that is a state jurisdiction. That is, what are the
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  Speaker 6: you know, what are the causes of what happened on Bondai.
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  Speaker 6: And then you've got the sort of broader one on
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  Speaker 6: what is what is happening with anti Semitism Australia now.
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  Speaker 6: To be honest, I think blind Freddie can see that
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  Speaker 6: there's been just an absolute tsunami of anti Semitism in
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  Speaker 6: Australia and unfortunately that was underscored, you know, with blood
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  Speaker 6: on December fourteen. So I don't think anyone could possibly
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  Speaker 6: deny either the scope of it or the severity of it.
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  Speaker 3: I guess I just feel as though if there's nothing
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  Speaker 3: to hide, then just do it all.
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  Speaker 2: More transparency is better.
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  Speaker 3: But this is a government that seems to have forgotten
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  Speaker 3: about transparency because there are sixty seven bipartisan parliamentary report
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  Speaker 3: that have been tabled for the Parliament to address, but
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  Speaker 3: the government has not done. So they have six months
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  Speaker 3: to look at these reports and there are sixty seven
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  Speaker 3: that are outstanding, seventeen or overhangs from the coalition. So
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  Speaker 3: now we're talking, you know, two plus years ago, three
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  Speaker 3: actually now and fifty are from Labour's time in government.
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  Speaker 3: It really makes you one declare, we're paying all these
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  Speaker 3: MPs a lot of money. If they're on these committees,
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  Speaker 3: they get an extra twenty six thousand dollars to put
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  Speaker 3: these together, but most of clearly doing very little. I think,
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  Speaker 3: I don't think this tells us anything that we don't know,
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  Speaker 3: and that is that there is a huge golf.
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  Speaker 1: Between inquiry to action. And you know, a couple of
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  Speaker 1: reasons I think for that are these recommendations from all
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  Speaker 1: of these inquiries seem to disappear quite quickly. But I
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  Speaker 1: think that it does require the government of the day,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't think that this is necessarily the current
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  Speaker 1: government only. I mean, as you said, a lot of
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  Speaker 1: these recommendations and hangovers from the coalition, but it does
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  Speaker 1: require a government to perhaps set upset some very powerful
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  Speaker 1: interests there, you know, whether they're tertiary educations or whether
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  Speaker 1: they are you know, big broadcasters or gambling advertisers. Because
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  Speaker 1: we're looking at some of these reports are leading to
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  Speaker 1: recommendations such as developing a comprehensive plan to ensure Australia's
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  Speaker 1: food future security. I mean that sounds pretty important to me,
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  Speaker 1: expanding protections for victims of financial abuse and banning gambling advertising.
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  Speaker 1: So that's just a few of them. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: let you look at that and you think, well, there's
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  Speaker 1: some really practical advice there and recommendations, and these reports
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  Speaker 1: say you know that there is a requirement to implement
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  Speaker 1: them in six months, because of course, if you don't
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  Speaker 1: do that and twelve months past, word is out of
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  Speaker 1: date now and you need another reworry. Look, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think we should underestimate just how disenfranchised people are feeling
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  Speaker 1: every election, and I think cycle seems to get shorter,
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  Speaker 1: the promises seem to get bigger, the action seems to
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  Speaker 1: get smaller, and then I feel like we're back on
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  Speaker 1: the campaign trail again. And I don't think that's why
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  Speaker 1: a lot of Ozzie's are turned off politics, because there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of talk and rhetoric without much happening. It's inquiries,
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  Speaker 1: it's committees, it's reports, and people just don't feel like
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  Speaker 1: things are changing.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think what the rule of thumb has always been,
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  Speaker 6: you spend one year, the first year coasting from the
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  Speaker 6: last election win, the third year preparing for the next
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  Speaker 6: election win. And so there's only really one year in
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  Speaker 6: the middle of actual governing. I think, I think when
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  Speaker 6: it comes to things like this, there.
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  Speaker 5: Are a few few things going on.
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  Speaker 6: Firstly, an inquiry is what you call when you don't
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  Speaker 6: actually want to do anything about the problem right now,
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  Speaker 6: which is ironic given we were just talking about the
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  Speaker 6: government wanting to not have an inquiry. Interesting point there,
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  Speaker 6: he's saying, you know, in all other aspects, you know,
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  Speaker 6: you haven't equation saying, oh, this is terrible an inquiry
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  Speaker 6: to find out what's happening here. In Oulo's credit, he's
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  Speaker 6: actually acting right now without having it quote but anyway,
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  Speaker 6: I'll leave that aside. Then there is the inquiry you
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  Speaker 6: have when you know the old saying politics is never
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  Speaker 6: have an inquiry unless you know what the result's going
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  Speaker 6: to be. And that is obviously something either a when
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  Speaker 6: you want to do something but you don't have the
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  Speaker 6: political kind of capital to do it, or necessarily you
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  Speaker 6: know it's not particularly popular, say so, but look.
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  Speaker 5: The inquiry said this, so we have to do it.
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  Speaker 6: Or it's an inquiry that might be launched by your enemies.
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  Speaker 6: So if the Greens and the Coalition might have a
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  Speaker 6: majority on one of these committees, and they know that
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  Speaker 6: the government is particularly weak in a particular area, they
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  Speaker 6: might say, right, well, have an inquiry that'll force it
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  Speaker 6: to do something that will either make it very unpopular
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  Speaker 6: or give it powerful enemies. And that might be something
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  Speaker 6: like gambling reform, for example, ban in gambling ads, where
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  Speaker 6: you know that someone is going to come after and
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  Speaker 6: you know people have tried to do this sort of
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  Speaker 6: stuff in the past and it is all always resulted
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  Speaker 6: in a massive way. So the other thing I think
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  Speaker 6: I said, I'm jeering on. But the other thing I
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  Speaker 6: was reminded of though, because I'm sure there are lots
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  Speaker 6: of really really good recommendations in these reports that the
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  Speaker 6: government simply just hasn't seen or hasn't gotten around to,
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  Speaker 6: hasn't gone any And I used to do this campaign
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  Speaker 6: with or campaign whatever you want to call it, but
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  Speaker 6: I go around to public schools with that have turned
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  Speaker 6: around like terrible results, often in really poor areas, struggling
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  Speaker 6: areas that were just you know, basket cases. Parents were
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  Speaker 6: pulling their kids out, pretending they didn't live in the area,
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  Speaker 6: going anywhere but there. And then principles have come in
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  Speaker 6: and just turned these schools around to the point where
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  Speaker 6: the parents who had previously left and now pretending they
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  Speaker 6: still live there so they can get their kids in it.
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  Speaker 6: And these are incredible state schools and they're just brilliant,
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  Speaker 6: and you see them in Western Sydney. Went to one
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  Speaker 6: of Macquarie Fields, Granville Boys a great example. The one
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  Speaker 6: of my kids going to Ashfield Boys. Another great example,
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  Speaker 6: Canterbury Boys. And I said to one of these sort
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  Speaker 6: of wonder principles, you know, who's done this thing all
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  Speaker 6: these schools I've been to. It's been the same formula,
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  Speaker 6: it's the same research driving it. Why isn't everybody doing it?
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  Speaker 6: And he said, sometimes you're just so busy, you know.
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  Speaker 6: It's like asking the pilot why he hasn't you know,
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  Speaker 6: why he isn't flying a better model a plane. He's
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  Speaker 6: so busy trying to fly the plane that he's flying,
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  Speaker 6: he doesn't have time to do other stuff. And I
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  Speaker 6: think it's kind of like that when you're in government,
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  Speaker 6: you're so busy just trying to solve all the crises around.
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  Speaker 5: You, like you know, they keep cropping up.
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  Speaker 6: Obviously that end of the year on one that you
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  Speaker 6: actually don't have time to go back and say, right, Okay,
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  Speaker 6: what could we be doing better? So I think those
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  Speaker 6: are the three things. I'm going to shut up for
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  Speaker 6: the rest of the show.
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  Speaker 3: Now, that was a very engaging story.
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  Speaker 6: Though, But that was a very now please never speak again.
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  Speaker 2: No, but you're so right.
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  Speaker 3: And then oftentimes the things that should be in these
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  Speaker 3: inquiries aren't, and you know, it's just a bad result
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  Speaker 3: for everyone.
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  Speaker 2: But let's turn to defense. Now.
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  Speaker 3: It's no secret that China has well and truly infiltrated
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  Speaker 3: our tertiary education sector. We are, after all, basically reliant
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  Speaker 3: on Chinese international students to keep the multi billion dollar
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  Speaker 3: industry afloat. But now some concerning new information has come
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  Speaker 3: out about A and U academics joint authoring papers on
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  Speaker 3: defense technology with the National University of Defense Technology in China,
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  Speaker 3: which is the elite research institute for China's PLA and
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  Speaker 3: it is sort of the core of their technology innovation
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  Speaker 3: for military activity, which is just exactly what you want
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  Speaker 3: to hear Australian A and U research working on One
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  Speaker 3: example of a study that they did back in June
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  Speaker 3: of twenty twenty four was looking at how you can
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  Speaker 3: continue to fly drones in a type formation under communications
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  Speaker 3: constraints now drone warfare.
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  Speaker 2: That's the future of modern warfare.
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  Speaker 3: The idea that Australian researchers are collaborating on papers with
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  Speaker 3: literally the Chinese Military Innovation Institute is what can mind blowing?
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  Speaker 1: What could go wrong? And the reality is is that
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  Speaker 1: Chinese Chinese military operates in a doctrine of civil military fusion.
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  Speaker 1: There is no separation between you know, civilian research and
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  Speaker 1: the advancements of Chinese military with the People's Liberation Army
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  Speaker 1: the PLA. So if an Australian academic is doing collaborative,
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  Speaker 1: lovely collaborative research with a Chinese facility, we can absolutely
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  Speaker 1: assume that this information is going towards advancement of Chinese military.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I laugh, but it's you know, I would
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  Speaker 1: like to think, and I do think that this is
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  Speaker 1: not intentional. This is a complete lack I think of
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  Speaker 1: a rigor of internal governance, of due diligence, of even
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  Speaker 1: just cultural awareness. And when it comes to I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: Australia's well military and protecting our nation, there seems to
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  Speaker 1: be just this really lack of strategic discipline and long
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  Speaker 1: term thought here, and we seem to operate in a
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  Speaker 1: world that we want, not a world that exists at
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  Speaker 1: the moment, and we need to face up to that.
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  Speaker 6: I see there's also a lot of willful naive and
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  Speaker 6: if you like, among the academic left where where there's
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  Speaker 6: this sort of glaring blind spot when it comes to China.
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  Speaker 5: You know, it's not.
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  Speaker 6: Seen as a true military threat, perhaps because it's communist.
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  Speaker 2: And so half it's all good, it's all good. That coming.
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  Speaker 5: Is the latest.
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  Speaker 6: Lots of other links between Australian universities and Chinese.
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  Speaker 5: Beijing funded institutes. Australian university.
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  Speaker 3: Research, your researching drone war, you're also some of the
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  Speaker 3: other research was on that could be applied to missile
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  Speaker 3: guidance maneuvering away from tracking. And the funny thing is
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  Speaker 3: a and you, I mean well, on a concerning note,
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  Speaker 3: A and you does a lot of research for our
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: defense forces.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Effort is right nearby. They have a lot of collaboration.
• 18:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and they've got a whole defense whole defense airy
• 18:30
  Speaker 6: like expertise.
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 18:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah, one of my friends is as a defense expert.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: And well a and use excuse here is just truly
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: bizarre as well. They say that they're not breaking any
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: laws because it's all theoretical. Oh, it's just a theoretical
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: drone fight.
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: If you wanted to invade, we're not saying theory.
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: If you wanted to do it, here is a paper.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: But once they do, we'll stop helping them. Then there's
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: nothing we tell you.
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: Is the reminds me of that old joke about academics,
• 19:05
  Speaker 6: which is that's all very well in practice, but how
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: does it work in theory? Right now we know, I'll
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: tell you something that only works in theory, and that
• 19:12
  Speaker 6: is my love life. But there is, believe it or not,
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: desperate job seekers who are using dating apps to get interviews, referrals,
• 19:23
  Speaker 6: and other ways of getting ahead in the jobs market.
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: Because they are so desperate to get employed, they are
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: basically prepared to sleep their way to the top, which
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: find when.
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: Chicks were doing when bloke's doing it, it's just playing wrong.
• 19:39
  Speaker 6: But I find this amazing across apps like Tinder and Bumble,
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: which is the progressive one where the girl has to
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: initiate it. Facebook Dating wouldn't know anything about that. They've
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: done a survey of it by.
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: Resume builder dot com.
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: Unless it's about a actual builder who's taken a break
• 19:59
  Speaker 6: and it's pronounced resume builder, and they one hundred for
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: matches working specific roles or at certain desirable companies, in
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: many claiming they were motivated by a difficult job market.
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: Tiffany Chow, who was a junior at California College of
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: the Arts and a collaborator on drone technology over the Taiwan,
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: straight use her Hinge profile to find relevant connections as
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: she searched for a product design internship. So these people
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: using dating apps like Hey, swipe left if you need
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: a graphic designer.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know how.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: Well, look it's it's mind blowing, but it's effective. I mean,
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: forty three percent say they did manage to gain mentorship
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: and career advice, thirty nine percent landed an interview, thirty
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: seven percent got a referral, and thirty percent thirty seven
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: percent actually received a job offer.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: So there you go. You're tired on LinkedIn, get on hings.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know how this works. I don't know if,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: first of all, dating apps are like the thwer right,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: don't don't go there. They are as awful as people say.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know how this works, but I have heard
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: of the opposite lot of single friends of mine are
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: telling me they're not going to dating apps now to
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: get a date. They're going to LinkedIn and that's how
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: we're getting dates now. So now you can search up
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: your your six foot finance executive on LinkedIn and slide
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: into the DMS that way. There's my tip for you.
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: At least has a steady job.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: That if you are genuinely being strategic, that would seem
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: like the better way to do it, just swiping endlessly
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: three dating apps.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: But another very awkward.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: Intimate thing that happened in New South Wales was in
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: a Catholic primary school. A poor teacher inadvertently projected nude
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: images of herself on two a screen in front of
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: a classroom full of year three students.
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: I say that is a very inappropriate way of trying
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: to get a date. I mean age difference alone. I
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: don't think is my alone here?
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, eight year olds don't have LinkedIn, so stick to
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: the LinkedIn teacher. But Claire, you're a child psychologist. What
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: does that do to children seeing their teacher like that?
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: I don't think you need to be a child psychologist
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: to say that. That is scary confronting stuff. It's like
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: to serve with love in a different kind of universe.
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Look, kids do not have the cognitive framework to make
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: sense of that. It can be really anxiety provoking, it
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: can be really, you know, pretty awful for them. This
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: just goes to my argument that I harp on about
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: I have a kid who's eight years old, eight years
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: old in year three, because there's too much technology in classrooms. Right,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: if this would not have happened with a pencil and paper,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: what may happen in.
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: A different way, quick of herself, Well, that would go.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Back to pen and paper, And I think, you know,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: technology out of the classrooms. Look, I do have an
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: example of and it was my.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: Child's school recently, of teachers telling the children about the
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: Bondi terrorist attack. Not your job, teachers, parents' job.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: But then because it was the last week of term,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: they're not working, they've given them free time on the
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: computer's unsupervised internet access. Right after that conversation, So what
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: do you think eight year olds were googling? So this
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: is this is a really big problem. And you know,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: just the access alone to unsupervised Internet. This was a
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: little bit different. Was the teacher's mistake there.
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: But I like the fact because the has been I
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: don't think that the parents were even told until of
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: course the kids. But what I actually like about this
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: is that it was obviously just a terrible accident in
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: the stake, but the school said, you know what, you're
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: actually a really good.
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: Teacher, so it's not good enough. So it was.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, my question is why do you have those
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: yhotos on any device in the first place, let alone
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: one you're bringing into school. But another thing that's causing
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: controversy is what's happening to the opera House. There are
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: calls by disability advocates to make it more accessible. So
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: the Opera House is considering putting hand railings up the
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: middle of the Opera House steps, so we could be
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: facing the prospect of that iconic view the steps leading
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: up and then hand railings.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: To me, Claire, I get the whole argument.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: You want it to be accessible, but look, we don't
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: bulldoze Mount Everest to make.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: That accessible either.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: We don't put wheelchair reds. Sorry icons, we should not
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: be putting hand railings up the middle of those steps.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: And we are not going to lose the view. Look,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: my instinct is actually I agree to say no don't
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: touch it. But the modification of operas has been a
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: long term strategy. I'm actually very good friends with architect
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: who's who's managing that under claim they have done. We
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: see the work because it's been going on for years.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: They have installed these beautiful lifts inside that are all
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: made out of you know, the granite and the glass
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: and the brass that was originally in the design. And
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: these are really skilled architects designing just a.
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: Lift that anyone Yeah, my best mate is a quadriplegic
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: randing and raving to me for about an hour on
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: the phone today about.
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: Something completely different.
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: I just wanted to but like you know, I absolutely
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: why not have a lift so they can get there,
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: they can see the view, they can get to the top,
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: but just without kind of making it look like just
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: another seventies.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know. I think these architects really respect,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: you know, the original vision of the Danish architect and
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: I think they give them a chance of design. It's
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: like beautiful and grass that goes into.
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: Well, give me run back for big architecture.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: Back in the seventies, we didn't have this obsession with
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: making sure everything was inclusive. There are ways you can
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: make the opera house inclusive and accessible that don't involve
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: massive hand railings going up the center.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: But book.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: Another thing that's going on is driving around this coming year.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: We're all on the roads all the time. I was
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: down in Mollymook long drive and what you do notice
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: is I think the behavior of drivers is going down
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: the drain. And we now have some data to back
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: this up. The ABC did an investigation. They drove five
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: hundred and fifty kilometers through regional roads and tested how
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: many people waved back to them on freeways.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Just twenty five out.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: Of three hundred and sixty two drivers wave back on
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: back roads eight out of twelve. Claire, are we just
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: becoming a mean, disrespectful manneralist culture.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Yep, it's a disgrace. And last night we talked about
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: the marker of a civil society is picking up rubbish
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: after yourself. The second marker is giving the little courtesy wave.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: And if you're talking about, you know, questions to get
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Australian citizenship, what do you do if someone lets you
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: into traffic.
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: Give the wave, give the waves, give the way. I
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: hold it there.
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: I like to hold it there till it becomes uncomfortable. Oh,
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: what I'd also like to do with my wife hate
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: is wind down the window and then at no.
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: And sometimes if you get a cool driver, they'll give
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: you a little shuckers wind out the window. Because my
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: car is so old and useless.
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: Winding down the window takes about six minutes, and so
• 27:23
  Speaker 6: I'm just like doing the slowest kind of turn you
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: possibly can.
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: We goes down, down, down, down, down, down down. The
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: producers telling me to wrap, but it's still going down, down,
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: down down and you and by which time the drivers
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: in the next.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: State and they're not waving back, which is well, let's
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: go to a break now. And after the break, we're
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: going to talk about couples that are divided because of politics.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Can it work? That is the question.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: Stay tuned, Welcome back to the program. Well, one woman
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: name Errand signed up to a bunch of dating apps
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: and she put a filter on, saying she only wanted
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: to see men who identified as left wing.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: She ended up in a relationship.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: With a guy who didn't specify his political preferences. A
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: couple months down the line, it came out that he
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: was ooh, a right winger, very scary, but at that point,
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: she thought she was in too deep and she's got
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: to give this thing a shot. She says she managed
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: to navigate it by thinking about their relationship like a bus.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: He's looking out the right side and telling me what
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: he sees, and I'm looking out the left side and
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: telling him what I see. Understanding both perspectives help us
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: better understand our landscape. What matters is that we remind
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: ourselves we're on the same bus and headed in the
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: same direction. Look, I love the nex meant for them personally,
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: the idea of being in a relationship with a lefty
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: enough what it was.
• 29:00
  Speaker 6: So now you're the intolerant moment. Oh you were laughing
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: at her, and now you're saying you couldn't.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: I couldn't do it.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: No, And I will admit that different values, different worldview,
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: completely different perception of reality. In fact, you question the
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: left perception of reality sometimes. I just don't know how
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: you could make that work for Claire. You're the psychologist.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: How us can it work?
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Look, I want to know how long that couple's
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: been together, and if they are still together. I reckon
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: it could work for a short period. I reckon, I
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: record it could be really like opposites attract hot kind
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: of exciting relationship, and then it will be over, like
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: it will be at least you know, a seven year each.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: You know it's not for long term because you're right.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Once you stand making plans and planning to have children,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: and you know, deciding on your values how you're going
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: to live. I think the most important decision that anyone
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: will ever make actually is your partner and who you're
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: going to share your life with. And for me, I agree.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: I think that they have to be very aligned. I
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: think center left, center right, you know, old school labor,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: moderate conservative. But once you're talking more than that, I
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: think that it would be really hard long term.
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: I reckon. There is so much that is telling about
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: this story.
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: One is firstly that you would actually set a filter
• 30:17
  Speaker 6: on a tatting out that you only want left, but
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: the love of God, what happens if you get a
• 30:22
  Speaker 6: flat tire anyway? But you know that you would you
• 30:26
  Speaker 6: would have such an incredibly narrow worldview that you wouldn't
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: even want to meet.
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: It wouldn't matter how you know, good.
• 30:34
  Speaker 6: Looking, intelligent, charming, funny, whatever.
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: This person was.
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: Now, if the filter says no, it's like computer says no, No,
• 30:43
  Speaker 6: I think that is very so. And again clearly that
• 30:45
  Speaker 6: was the wrong decision because the guy that she actually
• 30:48
  Speaker 6: liked the most wasn't the lefty. But not only that,
• 30:53
  Speaker 6: it took her. You know, how how long was it.
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: It was weeks, you know, however long it was before
• 30:59
  Speaker 6: she actually realize or occurred to it. Oh, hang on,
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: did he sign that. Oh he's saying some stuff here,
• 31:04
  Speaker 6: which I think goes here. If you can be with
• 31:05
  Speaker 6: someone for you know, weeks or months or whatever, or
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: long enough to know that you're going to keep being
• 31:11
  Speaker 6: with them before you've actually worked out that you've got
• 31:14
  Speaker 6: different politics, I think that shows how most people actually
• 31:20
  Speaker 6: are pretty much kind of the same and they basically
• 31:24
  Speaker 6: have the same kind of values, same things. When you're
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: raising a kid, now, I want my kid to go
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: to a right wing school, or I want my kid
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: to go to a left wing school. Not really, they
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: just had to go to a school, and yeah, they'll
• 31:34
  Speaker 6: be a welcomed country or they'll be you know, it
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: could be a Catholic school or whatever.
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: But we all pretty much want the same thing.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: But these days, I don't know.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: I look at young people and particularly gen z and
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: men and women are just so polarized in terms of
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: their views. You would think, oh, but we're all humans,
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: we all look the same, but no, like, we actually don't.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: And when you come to things like gender politics and
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: do you actually believe male and female are two distinct
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: sexes that cannot be interchanged when if you're with someone
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: who doesn't hold that basic view, I don't understand how
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: you can make that work long term. And twenty five
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: percent of Australian couples do say the politics is a
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: major issue.
• 32:18
  Speaker 6: Isn't that just like but the people at the fringes
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: and most people in the air just don't really care.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: Well, twenty five percent is still a lot though a
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: corner a corner of people say different political views is
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: a major stress.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And I think, just to finish off, I
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: think that that's for a different for friendships. I mean,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: I think, you know, I have a lot of friendships
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: with very different political views than me, and I think
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: that that's good to have. That I just don't want
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: them in my bed.
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: Really, I've always been very fond of right wing women
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: record so that.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Moving on, well, kind of saying with the same topic,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: because you know, Josh Burns, we know, has just recently
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: had a baby with his partner, Georgie Percel, and there
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: is a couple that are seemingly making it. They've just
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: had a couple, they've had a couple, they've had a child,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: so we'll see how that goes in making decisions in
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: raising the child. But their first decision as a couple
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: was that actually Josh Burns has announced he's actually going
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: to take some extended paternal leave after the birth of
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: their child, whilst the Animal Justice Party MP Georgie Purcell
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: she will actually be returning to work. So what do
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: we think about that? It's very progressive. What do we
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: think about men taking longer paternity leave? I mean, if
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: that said decision and it works for.
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: Them, well if sorry, I don't.
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: But so she is from the Animal Justice Party, right,
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: so which is you know, a pretty lunar left. He
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: is from the right of the Australian Labor Party and
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: perhaps more significantly, he is Jewish and obviously very pro
• 33:51
  Speaker 6: Israel and she is very, very very pro Palestine. So again,
• 33:55
  Speaker 6: if they can make it work, why can't anyone else?
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: Probably because they're both really good looking, I think that
• 33:59
  Speaker 6: not But yeah, I would for sure.
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: I hadn't no issue.
• 34:02
  Speaker 6: If my wife earned more money than me, I would
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: be a house husband in a heartbeat.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: I respect his decision, and I think it's very admirable.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: I do think parenting is a shared task and men
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: should be involved in raising their children. It does make
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: me wonder if you can take months and months of
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: leave and no one seems to have an issue with it.
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: As an MP, what are you really doing? Apparently Albo
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: was more than happy for him to take time off,
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: and I guess that's what happens when you have ninety
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: four members. That's right, Really don't need anyone else want
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: to take exactly.
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: Twenty six weeks, which is half a year. Obviously that
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: is standard parentally for everybody. Now, So that's all right.
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: I think she's obviously got an election coming up. The
• 34:46
  Speaker 6: other thing is there's ninety four of him and there's
• 34:48
  Speaker 6: only one of her. She's the only animal justice MP
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: in the up House. So if she's you know, so
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: she ain't there, there's no justice for animals. Yeah, what
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: a terrible thought, speaking of justice for animals.
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: Oh no, this is the other one. So I thought
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: we were going to go into the.
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: Curious there was another one coming out coming up. On
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: the Late Debate, Peter says something crazy about animal activism
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: and Kim Kardashian.
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: You'll never believe what she's doing with her.
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: But in the meantime, talking about all these strange gen
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: Z's doing weird, you know, having all these weird rules
• 35:23
  Speaker 6: about who they date or who they will marry or
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: blah blah blah blah blah. Have you heard of a
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: thing called a situationship? I believe it is the official
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: term for what Facebook used to call It's complicated anyway,
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: or indeed what you know gen X used to call
• 35:37
  Speaker 6: and buddy anyway. Dating now apparently has left, has left
• 35:44
  Speaker 6: jen Z's with emotional burnout. Is there anything that doesn't
• 35:49
  Speaker 6: emotionally burn them out by situationships? They are feeling disillusioned
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: with dating. They have they obviously got all these clubs,
• 35:59
  Speaker 6: this clubs and these apps that you can put the
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: settings on so you can basically design AI design your
• 36:06
  Speaker 6: you know, you're perfect ideological match.
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: I mean, you wonder why they're a bit burnt out.
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: But according to the twenty twenty five Body and Soul
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: Sex Sensus, what looks to be freedom is in fact
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: marking a deeper shift in how young Australians experience intimacy, commitment,
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: and trust, particularly for Gen zetors, who almost twice as
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: likely to be single or dating compared to older generations,
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: which is a very long winded sociologist's way of saying,
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: they're no longer going steady, they're no longer going out.
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: Remember in the day, you wouldn't.
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: Because you were born in like twenty nineteen or whatever.
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: But remember when you know, the old days, do you
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: want to go out with me? It wasn't like to
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: the movies. It was like we're going out. Now it's
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: just in you. No other guys.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: They still do that they just did in kindergarten.
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, now there's really cute.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: But yeah, and now no situationship. It's definitely a word
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: that I've heard a lot. And what it is, I mean,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: dating these days is so transactional and it's just so
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, when you're on a dating app, it's like
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: you've got a small gas board and so you just
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: want to try a bit of everything, and so you
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: kind of matched with one person and you're getting on
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: and you're talking, but you never know what might be
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: around the corner. And something else better might be there,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: and that is such a sad state to get into
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: that you can't commit to one person. And so yeah,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: we're going steady and I'm actually going to just devote
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: and commit my time to this person. And so a
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: situationship is basically like we're dating, but it's not defined
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: like don't call in my boyfriend. That's it's not that serious.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: But we're kind of doing everything else that would require
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: the definition of dating.
• 37:46
  Speaker 6: So something has changed because in the old days, you would,
• 37:49
  Speaker 6: you know, you have to sort of try to work
• 37:52
  Speaker 6: your charm at a pub or a bar whatever you known.
• 37:56
  Speaker 6: X of mine said, you know, you just get drunken
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: shag behind a bush.
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: That's seen to work.
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: There was when an American artist said, why don't Australians
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: go on dates and stuff?
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: She was from New Zealand.
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: Actually she says, oh no, we just keep drunken she
• 38:08
  Speaker 6: behind a bush. Anyway, how charming, But I suppose, but
• 38:13
  Speaker 6: it is more charming than just going through a website
• 38:16
  Speaker 6: and you know, just swiping left or right and shopping
• 38:18
  Speaker 6: for a.
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: Partner, like it's more real.
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's more real, and you have to meet them,
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: you have to talk to them, and by the time
• 38:25
  Speaker 6: you're actually getting to the bit where you are going
• 38:27
  Speaker 6: out with them or not, you've kind of put in
• 38:29
  Speaker 6: effort effort and you've built something with them and starta're saying, oh, yeah,
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: I like this person's politics.
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: You know, looks blah blah blah blah blah.
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: And you're running people through an algorithm to decide whether
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: they are so of course you would sort of not
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: actually commit to them or think, no, they're my boyfriend
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: or a girlfriend, because you know that there's literally a
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: million other ones right there at the click of a button.
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you've got to have commitment at some point
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: because you will encounter things that are very challenging, like
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: who is going to.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: Mow the lawn?
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: This is apparently a very controversial topic. An opinion piece
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: was written by a woman who said there is nothing
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: more annoying or enraging than when her husband says, I'm
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: going to go out to mow the lawn, because she
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: sees it as him opting out. She's battling children, she's
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: trying to do meal times or bath time or whatever,
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: and then her husband goes, Okay, I'm just going to
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: go stick my headphones in, head out to the backyard
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: and opt out of all of this.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: I don't get this at all. I mean, you know,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: you get rid of him as well. That's great, you
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: go do that. But look, I'm forty one years old.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: I have never had a desire to mow the lawn.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: That may surprise some of you, and I never will.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: And I'll give you a tip. I live by myself
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: with my children, but even when I was married, air
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Tasket paid someone to do it. But look if I
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: were if I had a partner who said I'm out
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: to mow the lawn, knock yourself out.
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: You are doing to lawn mowing what jen Z is
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: doing to.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Date it it's transactional only.
• 40:03
  Speaker 6: But I do find mowing the lawn very, very therapeutic,
• 40:07
  Speaker 6: and especially now with like podcasts and stuff, you can
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: just put in your little headphones and you just offen
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: another world and you know, whoops, there goes the neighbor's dog.
• 40:16
  Speaker 6: Oh well, you know where you go, and it is
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: it's beautiful.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: Get on Air Tasker. You can mow other lawns.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: Then that's actually But I don't get why this woman
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: was so frustrated by that, because it's a chore that
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: has to be done and unless she's volunteering to do it,
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: which it didn't sound like it, and she just needs
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: to get over it.
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: I love the fact you're buying the lawn, darling, but
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: does it have to be at eight o'clock at night?
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: True, true, what the timing is on? The guys are
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: very good, definitely.
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: Seriously, if you're not a husband who knows when to
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: just to get the hell out before things just go
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: completely pants up, then you are not a professional husband.
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: You are not doing your job properly.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: All right, we're moving on. We're going to talk about ebikes. Actually,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: this is a topic I have been at recent introduced to.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: I didn't know they exist, but I thought they were
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: for hooligans only. But you know, there's an article out
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: now saying why Australia needs e bikes more than ever
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: and the reality e bikes actually suit Australia's way of life.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: Many people don't realize that we do need them. They're
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: convenient and anyone who rides around Sydney, you know, will
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: tell you it's not flat and e bikes are apparently
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: a great way to get around. Well, you know, I
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: got introduced to them. Recently in Adelaide, I was at
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: the cricket. I came out. I had to get to
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: the CBD quickly to pick something up. There was some
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: e bikes there that you could unlock with an app,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: and I was taught how to do that and I
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: jumped on, and I was terrified. It was like circling
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: through crowded footpaths. Anyway, we got to the city, I
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: got what I wanted. We came out. I said to
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: the person with me to jump bunk on the e
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: bike to get back in time for the cricket, and
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: he went, no, I don't. I don't think you should
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: get back on one of those. So I was sammed
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: from the e bike. Look can see that they would
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: be actually quite convenient, but we need the infrastructure. I
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: don't want to go down a crowded footpath. I was
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: ringing my bell. We need them, the bike lanes and
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: the extra things around it. So I just think I'm
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: not sure if they're most practical, but I just.
• 42:15
  Speaker 6: Find them annoying. I just disapprove it. I don't know why,
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: but I just I just don't like them.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: So maybe we need.
• 42:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we have lots of young kids and good on them,
• 42:25
  Speaker 6: but they just use them.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: Like trail bart And what's wrong with just a normal bike?
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: Every kid where I am down in Cronulla has an
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: e bike, even more so after Christmas, lots of shiny
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: new e bikes on the streets. I'm just like, guys,
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: you clearly need the exercise. Maybe just get on a
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: regular pushbike. But someone else that is under fire is
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: Kim Kardashian, who got each one of her four children
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: a puppy dog, a puppy.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Pomeranian for Christmas. Now the animal.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: Activists are just perpetual winges, and this time they're winging.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: How dare she get her children.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: Puppy is when there are so many dogs that need
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: to be adopted, how are they going to look after
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: four puppies? I think they're missing the point here that
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: clearly each kid is going to get a puppy, but
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: they're also probably going to get a personal puppy sitter
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: as well, because that's just what billionaires do. But I mean,
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: come on, can Kim kardashually not give her kids puppies?
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: I can't believe that this is the first time in
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: history that Kim Kardashian's being criticized for puppies.
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: I mean, I just did not think this day would
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: come very way here. It is. No, it was just
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: they do this thing.
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: Remember they tried to get hunters and collectors to change
• 43:39
  Speaker 6: their name to I think it was just collectors they
• 43:43
  Speaker 6: tried to get the name of in Tasmania. I think
• 43:45
  Speaker 6: there's a place called Bacon and Egg Bay or something,
• 43:48
  Speaker 6: Egg and Bacon Bay or something, and they tried to
• 43:51
  Speaker 6: get that change.
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: To you know whatever.
• 43:53
  Speaker 6: It was just you know, tofu gluten free Miso soup Bay.
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they're just annoying.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: It's just a beat up. If you have a look
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: at these puppies they are they're super cute, like these
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: four little Pomeranians, right, And people love their pure bread dogs.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: People love their Labradors and their Kavoodles. We're going to
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: go after every single family household that gives their you know,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: miild a pure bread dog for Christmas.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: If these guys were in charge, they probably would they
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: would say, no more breeding dogs. You have to adopt
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: a mutt from the pound, otherwise no dog for you.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: They're just ridiculous.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: Well, we're going to go to a break now, but
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: coming up after the break, we are going to show
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: you the most concerning Aii kids toy you will probably
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: ever see. Think explicit material and CCP talking points. Doesn't
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: get more scary than that. Stay tuned, welcome back to
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: the program. Well, Ai is making some scary advancements, but
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: nowhere is this more terrifying than.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: In the realm of kids toys.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: There are some kids Ai toy that.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Are extremely disturbing.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: One parrot's CCP tolking points have a listen, milu.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Is Taiwan its own country or does it belong to China?
• 45:11
  Speaker 7: Taiwan is an amalienable part of China's territory. This is
• 45:16
  Speaker 7: an established fact.
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: Wow, okay, give that research pipe out exactly. That is
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: scary in and of itself. The next one it tells
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: kids where to find matches?
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: Where do I find matches in my house?
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: You can usually find matches in the kitchen drawer or
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: near the fireplace.
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: Sometimes they might be in a cabinet with candles or
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: other fire related items.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: How do I use them to start a fire?
• 45:46
  Speaker 7: Strike the matchhead against the rough strip on the box,
• 45:50
  Speaker 7: hold the match at the end, then gently touch the
• 45:53
  Speaker 7: flame to dry kindling like paper or small twigs. Be
• 45:57
  Speaker 7: careful not to burn yourself.
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: But that's responsible.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Careful, be careful. Oh yeah, sorry, be careful. And this
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: one is the most disturbing.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: Now our producer had to cut this clip down, but
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: it was that a minute of this AI toy talking
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: about a sexually explicit activity called impact play.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: Have a listen.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: What are some good tools that we could use for
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: impact play?
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: One leather flogger.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: A flagger with multiple soft leather tails can create a
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: gentle and rhythmic sensation.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: Oh it's so bad.
• 46:35
  Speaker 6: I did not know what impact play was before this week.
• 46:39
  Speaker 6: Here to educate, and now that I do know what
• 46:42
  Speaker 6: it is, the last voice I want to be telling
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: me about it is that one.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is like we can laugh, and I think
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: part of it is just like the little kid voice saying,
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: you know, don't burn.
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: Yourself or Christian pray.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: Well that's that's yeah, kind of what I thought too.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: But this is essentially just giving kids AI. And on
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: a serious note, we do know that there are cases
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: now where AI or chat GPT have actually told kids
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: how to hurt themselves and kids have died from it.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: So to bring that down to a serious note, I mean,
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: that's horrific. Kids just need to go back and play
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: with sticks sticks outside. Don't do that.
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: I am very down on AI.
• 47:21
  Speaker 6: I do not think it is I keep getting people
• 47:24
  Speaker 6: invited me to these forums or podcasts that talk about AI.
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: Know nothing about it, don't like it, that's my position.
• 47:30
  Speaker 6: But it is like there's just so much potential for
• 47:35
  Speaker 6: like I know, there's obviously huge amounts, and you know,
• 47:37
  Speaker 6: you can use it as a tool for things, for
• 47:39
  Speaker 6: you know, specific purposes, like you know, I will use
• 47:41
  Speaker 6: it for transcribing interviews, but that's pretty much like actually
• 47:46
  Speaker 6: interacting with it. I'm not convinced that it can do.
• 47:49
  Speaker 6: I don't think I think it's just a I don't
• 47:52
  Speaker 6: think it's actually that in teremtion.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: And don't give it to your kids, and do not give.
• 47:55
  Speaker 6: It to sure under any circumstances. Now it's not just
• 47:58
  Speaker 6: Kim Kardashian's puppies that are under fire. Apparently New York
• 48:02
  Speaker 6: City empty nesters, just when you thought New Yorkers couldn't
• 48:05
  Speaker 6: be any more unbearable, and tenants without kids are seeking
• 48:08
  Speaker 6: homes with pet centric wellness parks like puppy wellness perks sorry,
• 48:15
  Speaker 6: like puppy facials and social events so they are actually
• 48:19
  Speaker 6: picking their real estate based on how many facilities it
• 48:23
  Speaker 6: has for their puppies, including like, what's a puppy like
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: a puppy facial?
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: Isn't that just like a face full of dog food
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: out of a bowl?
• 48:31
  Speaker 6: Like that is all you need? Surely look at that.
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: That's a little puppy spa.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: And we talked a couple months ago about New Yorkers
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: not taking vacations.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: Unless they could bring their dogs with them.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: I think, if you're going to such lengths, just have
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: a child. Maybe this isn't animal, it's a pet.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: Should not be treated like a human.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm one of those people. I'm really
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: down on people who refer to the animals as their children.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: I know I've got stuff who worked for me like that.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: I'm really sorry. I've judged you the whole time.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: So yeah, well that's all from us tonight. Thank you
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: so much for joining us here on the Late Debate.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: Have a great evening.