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Mark Belling Podcast #109: Gen Z goes back to church, Harley Davidson returns to its roots and Tucker Carlson tries to explain himself · The Mark Belling Podcast

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Speaker 2: We have a word for the day, coherent. They don't
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Speaker 2: normally have a word for the day. I don't think
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Speaker 2: on any of these podcasts what's listen to number one
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Speaker 2: oh nine, I don't think we've ever had a word
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Speaker 2: for the day. We've got a lot of things for
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Speaker 2: the day, but we've never had a word for the day.
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Speaker 2: The word for the day is coherent. Now, one of
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Speaker 2: my jobs, obviously, is to be coherent. I don't want
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Speaker 2: people listening to me to not know what my position is,
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Speaker 2: or not understand what I'm talking about, and most importantly,
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Speaker 2: to not understand the reasons that I give for my positions.
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Speaker 2: The opposite of coherent is incoherent. Here in the first segment,
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Speaker 2: we're going to have examples of both, and I want
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Speaker 2: to start with this. This happened this week at the
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Speaker 2: White House. Some of you, I wonder, Jason, my producers
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Speaker 2: really into sports. What percentage of the audience do you
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Speaker 2: think knows who Gary Player is? Dave Michaels is in there.
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Speaker 2: He said eighty and you say fifty. See, my former
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Speaker 2: producer Paul would say fifty on everything. You would just
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Speaker 2: always be fifty. That would be his way of like
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Speaker 2: hedging his vets. I think it's lower than that. Gary
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Speaker 2: Player was one of the greatest professional golfers of all time.
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Speaker 2: His heyday was the fifties and sixties. He lingered into
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Speaker 2: the seventies. He's a remarkable figure in that. You know
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Speaker 2: there every year they have the old farts of the
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Speaker 2: honorary starters, the Master's end, you know Jack Nicholas. This
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Speaker 2: year it is sad he dubbed his shot off to
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Speaker 2: the side. Gary Player drives on right down the middle.
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Speaker 1: Me.
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Speaker 2: He's one hundred and forty five years old. He's just
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Speaker 2: in great shape, and he's a fascinating figure. South African.
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Speaker 2: He spent much of his time in the United States,
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Speaker 2: back and forth, Citizen of the World, the whole thing. Anyway,
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Speaker 2: He's at the White House with President Trump and with
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Speaker 2: RFK Junior, and they were on something or another dealing
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Speaker 2: with fitness and making America healthy again and so on,
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Speaker 2: and Gary Player made a comment and this is put
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Speaker 2: about coherent. It seems like it's longer than two minutes
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Speaker 2: because he covers so much stuff, But it's two minutes.
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Speaker 2: It's not scripted, it's ad libbed, and I thought it
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Speaker 2: was incredibly eloquent and inspiring. Listen to it.
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Speaker 3: I've been around almost every president for the last sixty
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Speaker 3: five years, and I've never seen the president loves this
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Speaker 3: country as much as they all did, and they all
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Speaker 3: did great works. But I've never seen a president that
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Speaker 3: loves the country as much as you do. And I
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Speaker 3: say thank you because I've traveled more miles than any
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Speaker 3: human being before without being repetitive, and I have never
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Speaker 3: seen a country like this, the freedom that exists, which
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Speaker 3: is so important to all of us, and no sport
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Speaker 3: can change the world. It can give people a chance
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Speaker 3: that don't have any hope. It can give them hope,
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Speaker 3: as we've seen many people with little education have become
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Speaker 3: world champions. Only in America have you got that opportunity.
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Speaker 3: And the other thing is to mister Kennedy, who I
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Speaker 3: have absolute utmost respectful You know my great dream. Now
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Speaker 3: I'm finished with tournament golf. My great dream is for
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Speaker 3: the youth of America, the youth of a nation or
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Speaker 3: the trustees of posterity. These are the people that are
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Speaker 3: going to be the future champions. And when I talk,
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Speaker 3: I always talk about the importance of fitness. It's so important.
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Speaker 3: Please can we bring it back in the school. And
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Speaker 3: as Senator Kennedy is so aptly said, to eat properly.
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Speaker 3: This is so important what you put in your body.
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Speaker 3: And the big thing that I wish and I pray
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Speaker 3: every day. And wherever I talk, and I do a
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Speaker 3: lot of talking, I say to the young people, just
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Speaker 3: love this country because you don't realize what's going on
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Speaker 3: around the world. Even the students of the great universities
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Speaker 3: of America really don't understand what's happening round the world
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Speaker 3: to day. There is a silent war taking place against
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Speaker 3: America to day. And what we've got to do is
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Speaker 3: make these kids realize that freedom and exercise and education.
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Speaker 3: Start reading some books. Yes, keep your phone, but also
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Speaker 3: read some good books. And listen to what mister Kennedy
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Speaker 3: has said, what you put in your body is so important.
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Speaker 3: What a wonderful job he's done. And all your cabinet members,
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Speaker 3: of which I say, thank you for maintaining this great word,
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Speaker 3: this cherished word freedom.
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Speaker 2: It almost speaks for itself. I mean, he covered so
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Speaker 2: many different things. It starts with his praise of President Trump,
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Speaker 2: who is sitting there. He's never seen a president who
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Speaker 2: loves the country more than Trump. Kind of a poignant
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Speaker 2: thing to say, right now, given this whole debate over
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Speaker 2: the war in Iran and whether or not Trump is
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Speaker 2: straying from America. First, but then he got into this
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Speaker 2: larger point about America. For all the flaws and all
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Speaker 2: the people that are trying to rip it down on
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Speaker 2: the left and to some extent the right, it's still
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Speaker 2: the greatest beacon of freedom that we have. Now. My
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Speaker 2: feory is we're going to lose that. Nonetheless, player offers
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Speaker 2: the perspective as a citizen of the world, but a
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Speaker 2: right minded citizen of the world, that this is still
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Speaker 2: the best opportunity for people to get ahead. Now, I'm
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Speaker 2: going to use that quote kind of as the kind
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Speaker 2: of text for where we're going to go in a minute.
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Speaker 2: There's been so much talk about this interview that Tucker
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Speaker 2: Carlson did with The New York Times. I'm going to
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Speaker 2: weigh in on it. I mean, he covered everything under
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Speaker 2: the sun, not particularly coherently, but I want to dice
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Speaker 2: through it and try to come up with whatever message
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Speaker 2: he's offering, react to it, and also get into this
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Speaker 2: whole question that I think overwhelms everything right now, which
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Speaker 2: not an option. I want to back into the whole
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Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson thing by focusing on where we are right
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Speaker 2: now with the war in Iran. I always think it
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Speaker 2: helps say step back and take a look at the
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Speaker 2: big picture. Everybody says they do that, but not many
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Speaker 2: people really do. There are clearly some people that are
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Speaker 2: hell bent in opposing the war, including quite a few
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Speaker 2: on the right, the whole Tucker Carlson wing, which may
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Speaker 2: include Megg and Kelly of the Conservative commentary sphere, a
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Speaker 2: number of lefties. You wonder how sincere that is, given
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Speaker 2: the fact that they oppose everything Trump does. And that's
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Speaker 2: one of the problems of opposing every single thing that
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Speaker 2: Trump does. When he actually does something you're sincerely opposed to,
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Speaker 2: as opposed to just your knee jerk, how do you
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Speaker 2: differentiate between the two. And then this whole argument that
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Speaker 2: I just think it's just specious. I think you can
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Speaker 2: be against the war, you can be for the war,
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Speaker 2: but the rationale that you have that you come up
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Speaker 2: with has to make sense. And there's been this argument
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Speaker 2: that we're in this war because Israel pressured Trump, and
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Speaker 2: it's a big part of the commentary of Tucker Carlson
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Speaker 2: that'll get to in a moment. And then there's the
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Speaker 2: argument that the neocons pressured Trump, the neo cons or
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Speaker 2: the dominant wing of American convatives and conservatism until Trump
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Speaker 2: came around. Trump's had nothing to do with him. He's
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Speaker 2: done nothing but mock and ridicule him, and now we're
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Speaker 2: supposedly to believe that Trump is under their thumb. In
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Speaker 2: the meantime, there's a story on page one of the
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Speaker 2: New York Times today Gulf States fear US hesitants to
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Speaker 2: retaliate emboldens Iran. The perspective of this story is the Emirates,
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Speaker 2: the Gulf States, they want Trump to get on with
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Speaker 2: it and resume this war and really blast Iran back
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Speaker 2: to the smither aides. So you've got Trump being pushed
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Speaker 2: on both sides. You have people who don't want the
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Speaker 2: war to go on at all. They want if anything
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Speaker 2: ran to win. They don't think that we should have
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Speaker 2: done it, we should stop it, we should run away,
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Speaker 2: or we're ruining the world. And then you have people
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Speaker 2: on the other side saying that Trump's pause in the
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Speaker 2: war and his willingness perhaps to end the war without
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Speaker 2: a total destruction of the Iranian government, that that isn't
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Speaker 2: going far enough. So when you look at it from
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Speaker 2: from that perspective, you realize that Trump is more in
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Speaker 2: the middle on this issue. Then you may think, I
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Speaker 2: want to read here, it's going to take up. I
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Speaker 2: am excerpting less than one percent of Tucker Carlston's interview.
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Speaker 2: I don't believe. I wonder if this is the record
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Speaker 2: for longest New York Times interview ever, I'll give you.
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Speaker 2: I printed it out on regular eight by eleven paper.
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Speaker 2: The printed version from the online it took forty pages.
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Speaker 2: It was in the Sunday I didn't don't get the
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Speaker 2: Sunday print paper obviously, New York Times. I don't know
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Speaker 2: if they printed the whole thing in the paper or
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Speaker 2: they just use excerpts and they put it all online.
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Speaker 2: Forty pages? Why the New York Times Again, I've made
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Speaker 2: this comment again and again and again and again and
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Speaker 2: again when people break ranks with the right, or break
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Speaker 2: ranks with Trump, they always seem to wander over to
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Speaker 2: leftist mouthpieces rather than conservative mouthpieces. I mean, Marjorie Taylor
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Speaker 2: Green was out of Trump's sphere and mud five days
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Speaker 2: later she's on the view. You saw this with the
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Speaker 2: anti Trump Republicans, you know, the never Trumpers, Charlie Sykes
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Speaker 2: and so on. They claimed that they were they were
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Speaker 2: still conservative, but where they're run with their message over
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Speaker 2: to MSNBC. So anyway, Tucker runs in the New York
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Speaker 2: Times that does this long, long interview in which they
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Speaker 2: do challenge him a lot of questions and he tries
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Speaker 2: to explain himself. I've read the whole thing twice, and
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Speaker 2: I'm going to read a few excerpts here. First with
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Speaker 2: regard to Trump and the decision making that went into
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Speaker 2: starting the war. I think it probably literally is a spell,
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Speaker 2: and the effect is to weaken people around him and
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Speaker 2: make him more compliant and more confused. And I've experienced
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Speaker 2: this myself. You spend a day with Trump and you're
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Speaker 2: in a kind of dreamland. It's like smoking hash or something.
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Speaker 2: Let me pause. It doesn't get any more coherent. So
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Speaker 2: now he's already explained the whole effect that Trump has.
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Speaker 2: It's like smoking hash. I remember when I listened to
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Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson and I understood what it was that he
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Speaker 2: was saying. It's very hard when you listen to why
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Speaker 2: he's turned on Trump, why he's gone against why he's
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Speaker 2: against the war, his hang ups with all of American society,
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Speaker 2: and so on. You have to read each sentence three
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Speaker 2: or four times to figure out exactly what he's saying.
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Speaker 2: Megan McCain said it was a sounded like the ramblings
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Speaker 2: of a deranged or drunken idiots. I'm not going to
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Speaker 2: go that far, but I'm telling you there are comments
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Speaker 2: in here. It's like, you know how Kamala Harris would
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Speaker 2: do her word salads. Now Tucker's world word salads go somewhere,
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Speaker 2: but they still seem to be the word salads. He'll
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Speaker 2: he'll use like nine or ten words in a sentence
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Speaker 2: to make a point in which one word would have
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Speaker 2: been able to do it. I find that when people
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Speaker 2: that do that kind of thing, with the like dissembling
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Speaker 2: and they're like over explaining that, they're often saying something
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Speaker 2: that they either don't understand or don't truly believe. Back
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Speaker 2: to this, it's interesting, very interesting, and there may be
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Speaker 2: a supernatural component to it. Again, he's talking about what
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Speaker 2: happens when people are on trumpe. There may be a
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Speaker 2: supernatural component to it. What does that mean. I'm not
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Speaker 2: a theologian, but it's real, and anyone's been around him
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Speaker 2: can tell you it's true. Oh but whatever the cause,
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Speaker 2: no one around him was weighing in strongly, as far
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Speaker 2: as I know, on either side for or against. But
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Speaker 2: people from the outside were strongly weighing in, calling him constantly.
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Speaker 2: Then the reporter asked, well, you know, there's been a
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Speaker 2: lot of reaction to what it is that you've been saying,
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Speaker 2: Tucker and so on. Tucker's coming. I don't know about
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Speaker 2: that because I don't google myself. Ever, this is where
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Speaker 2: Tucker is losing me. I don't believe for a minute
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Speaker 2: he never googles himself, and I don't believe for a
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Speaker 2: minute that he doesn't pay any attention to what people
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Speaker 2: say about him. Now, I'll grant you I don't google myself,
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Speaker 2: and I don't pay much attention to what people say
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Speaker 2: about me. I just think that I'm the exception in
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Speaker 2: terms of people in the public eye. Most people, particularly
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Speaker 2: those that do the kinds of jobs that Tucker or
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Speaker 2: Megan or any of them do, are obsessed with hearing
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Speaker 2: what people say about them. Next, this is Tucker on
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Speaker 2: another question. So I'm just trying to understand. You know,
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Speaker 2: I have a lot of thoughts and theories about things
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Speaker 2: which may or may not be rooted in reality. So
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Speaker 2: I hesitate even to spring any of my theories on you,
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Speaker 2: because they're probably insane. But one thing that has bothered
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Speaker 2: me for many years is the fact that a lot
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Speaker 2: of people in Prump's immediate orbit have been hurt and
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Speaker 2: really hurt, gone to prison, become unemployable, publicly shamed, have
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Speaker 2: gotten cancer. And I'm a believer in big picture assessments
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Speaker 2: of things. So you're trying to think, is Trump good
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Speaker 2: or bad. He's saying things I really agree with, but
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Speaker 2: then people around him are getting hurt. Is the country
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Speaker 2: actually getting better? I don't know. It's hard to know
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Speaker 2: because to some extent your vision is obscured by the
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Speaker 2: intensity of some of these debates. Mine was, has been,
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Speaker 2: and is easily obscured by that intensity. Remember what I
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Speaker 2: said about incoherent now the comment that Tucker made a
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Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago in an interview in which he
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Speaker 2: raised the question of whether or not Trump was the
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Speaker 2: anti Christ. The New York Times reporter asked him about
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Speaker 2: this question. I asked, because you've been talking on your
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Speaker 2: show about whether Trump is the anti Christ, Tucker, I
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Speaker 2: have not said that. Huh. Now, let me pause. I
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Speaker 2: will admit that when you do the kind of show
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Speaker 2: that I do, it for that matter that he does,
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Speaker 2: all you're doing is talking. You cover a lot of
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Speaker 2: things that you're talking live. Nothing's written down. You can
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Speaker 2: forget things that you've said. I can't tell you the
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Speaker 2: number of times people will come up to me and
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Speaker 2: talk about some topic, probably one that they were involved
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Speaker 2: in themselves from like fifteen years ago, and asked me
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Speaker 2: about something that I said about it, or some issue,
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Speaker 2: and I'll have no idea what they're talking about, and
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Speaker 2: they'll look at me at disbelief, and how I can't.
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Speaker 2: So you can forget. Except Tucker said this thing about
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Speaker 2: Trump potentially being the Annigarist two weeks before the New
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Speaker 2: York Times interview. Furthermore, that's not a throwaway point, suggesting
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Speaker 2: that someone is the Antichrist is a Rather, that's a
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Speaker 2: pretty big statement to put out there. So Tucker denies it.
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Speaker 2: Now here's the thing. It was an interview, it's on video,
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Speaker 2: and it's two weeks ago. The reporter will come back
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Speaker 2: and confront him on this because probably somebody was whispering
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Speaker 2: in her earpiece. We've got the video of him saying, anyway,
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Speaker 2: back to the none of the questions the reporter. On
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Speaker 2: your show the day after Easter, you noted he did
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Speaker 2: not put his hand on the Bible, a swearing and
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Speaker 2: ceremonious president. You said, maybe he didn't put his hand
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Speaker 2: on the Bible because he affirmatively rejects what's inside the book.
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Speaker 2: And then on a recent show you went further saying,
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Speaker 2: here's a leader who's mocking the gods of his ancestors,
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Speaker 2: mocking the god of gods and exalting himself above them.
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Speaker 2: Could this be the anti Christ? So now we get
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Speaker 2: back to Tucker on the whole Antichrist thinking quote. I
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Speaker 2: actually did not say could this be the Antichrist? Personally?
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Speaker 2: He did. He did say that, So he's doubling down
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Speaker 2: saying he didn't say. You know, there are people who
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Speaker 2: are wondering if he's lost it, or if he's taken
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Speaker 2: too much of too many second down, too many of
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Speaker 2: these nicotine vapes that he has, or whatever he says,
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Speaker 2: the gummies that drops the nicotine. I don't know where
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Speaker 2: that comes from. I know where it comes from, Tucker.
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Speaker 2: It came from you and everybody's seated. But I know
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Speaker 2: that those words never left my lips because I'm not
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Speaker 2: I'm sure I fully understand what the anti Christ is.
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Speaker 2: If there's just one I actually tried to understand it,
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Speaker 2: I may have said. Some are asking that I am
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Speaker 2: not weighing in on that because I don't understand it.
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Speaker 2: Just to be totally clear, Well, Tucker, that isn't totally clear,
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Speaker 2: and you get weigh in on it, and everybody knows
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Speaker 2: you've weighed in on it. Next question later on, you've
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Speaker 2: been discussing it repeatedly on your show. So I'm just
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Speaker 2: trying to understand why, what do you want your audience
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Speaker 2: to be considering. I want my audience to see what's
19:35
Speaker 2: happening now in terms of beyond just material Obviously, the
19:40
Speaker 2: commodity flow through the strait of Hormus is essential to
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Speaker 2: the global economy, got it. But I also think that
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Speaker 2: there was a world beyond our senses. Every culture and
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Speaker 2: civilization has understood that from the beginning, and we're in
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Speaker 2: this weird, anomalous moment where we've been trained not to
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Speaker 2: think that, but it's real, and this is a realization
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Speaker 2: that's dawning on me. I wasn't thinking like this at
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Speaker 2: all until several years ago. So I didn't want to
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Speaker 2: pretend that I'm a shaman or anything like that. I
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Speaker 2: just want to make the point repeatedly, again and again
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Speaker 2: that there are unseen forces that act, that there is
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Speaker 2: a spiritual realm, and we are subject to those forces
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Speaker 2: for good and bad. And I don't think that any
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Speaker 2: person can deny that. I read that about five times.
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Speaker 2: He might be saying there's a God and there's a satan.
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Speaker 2: If so, why didn't he just say there's a God
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Speaker 2: and there's a Satan beyond that. What is he talking
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Speaker 2: about it? And why is he saying it in such
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Speaker 2: a convoluted fashion? Follow from from the reporter, I just
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Speaker 2: want to make the point that you did say could
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Speaker 2: this be the anti Christ? Now she rais that like
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Speaker 2: three minutes after the earlier exchange, which tells me that
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Speaker 2: probably some of the earpiece reaffirmed that, Yeah, Tucker did
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Speaker 2: say it, despite the fact that he's trying to tell
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Speaker 2: you that he didn't say it. And then you said, well,
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Speaker 2: who knows you did use those words? Then Tucker now
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Speaker 2: confronted with the fact that he did say what he
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Speaker 2: just denied saying. Man, then my apologies to you. If
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Speaker 2: there is a video of me saying that, I guess
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Speaker 2: what I'm expressing to you is it doesn't reflect exactly
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Speaker 2: how I feel. See again, if that doesn't reflect how
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Speaker 2: he feels, why did he say it only two weeks ago?
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Speaker 2: And how is he suddenly not remembering that he said it.
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Speaker 2: Let me explain something. I've made this point again and
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Speaker 2: again and again, and a lot of people understand it.
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Speaker 2: Parents understand it, police understand it. When you lie. The
21:57
Speaker 2: hard part about lying is you don't remember remember the
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Speaker 2: lie you told. See, when you tell the truth, you
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Speaker 2: don't have to do any remembering because it's the truth.
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Speaker 2: It's something that actually happened. But when you make something
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Speaker 2: up like bs, artists have this problem. You know what
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Speaker 2: I was in high school? I did this, or I
22:11
Speaker 2: did that, or I did this or I made this.
22:12
Speaker 2: When you make something up like that, because it didn't
22:15
Speaker 2: actually happen, now you have to remember that you said
22:18
Speaker 2: this thing that you've made up, or that you didn't believe.
22:24
Speaker 2: It raises the question of he's you know, all of
22:27
Speaker 2: these commentaries of ever the last several weeks that he's
22:30
Speaker 2: just I wondered the same thing about Candice owns. They're
22:33
Speaker 2: just throwing stuff out there, not tether do any reality
22:37
Speaker 2: or even any belief system that they have. Back to
22:40
Speaker 2: the comment it suggests a precision that I haven't arrived at.
22:49
Speaker 2: Why are you talking like that? It suggests a precision
22:52
Speaker 2: that I haven't arrived at. Again, the difference in him
22:59
Speaker 2: and Kamala com Oh, it's say words like that, but
23:01
Speaker 2: it would just go around in a circle and it
23:03
Speaker 2: would never get to anywhere. He does seem to get
23:06
Speaker 2: somewhere with this but it's very unclear what any of
23:09
Speaker 2: it means. That Trump is the Antichrist. You have to
23:13
Speaker 2: define Antichrist, and I know that I can't define it,
23:16
Speaker 2: and it's clack clearly defined in the New Testament or
23:18
Speaker 2: the Old Testament. All right, moving on later on in
23:22
Speaker 2: the interview, that is a much easier conversation than answering
23:27
Speaker 2: very simple questions like where does the right to exist
23:31
Speaker 2: come from? He's dealing with the whole context of does
23:34
Speaker 2: Israel ever right to exist? I've been told for many
23:37
Speaker 2: years that Israel has a unique right globally to exist.
23:41
Speaker 2: Where does that right emanate from? Who granted that right?
23:44
Speaker 2: And on what grounds? And they can't answer the question,
23:48
Speaker 2: and they don't want to have the conversation. So, just
23:51
Speaker 2: to be totally clear, asking questions is not hate. Telling
23:56
Speaker 2: the truth is not hate. They don't want to answer
23:59
Speaker 2: the question, and they don't want to tell the truth.
24:01
Speaker 2: And by the way, it's not just Jews. I think
24:04
Speaker 2: I've been attacked more viciously by Christian Ziatists than I
24:08
Speaker 2: have by Jews. Just in point of fact, it's a
24:11
Speaker 2: kind of nice universalism to it. What does there's a
24:17
Speaker 2: nice universalism to it. What is that again, lots of words,
24:23
Speaker 2: but I'm not intimidated. I don't know why I would be.
24:27
Speaker 2: In fact, I think it's my obligation not to be intimidated.
24:33
Speaker 2: Later on, and so people say, well, I'm really concerned. Well,
24:37
Speaker 2: I'm really concerned too. I'm really concerned that the Prime
24:40
Speaker 2: Minister of Israel and his major cheerleaders in American media,
24:44
Speaker 2: including at the New York Times, if I can say,
24:46
Speaker 2: pushed the US government into a war that hurts the
24:49
Speaker 2: United States. That's my concern, and I would say that's
24:52
Speaker 2: at least co equal with anyone else's concern. So that's
24:56
Speaker 2: the first thing I would say. Second, as for the
24:59
Speaker 2: Elder of Zion or whatever, I don't know what that is.
25:03
Speaker 2: I've heard references to it. It's like czarist forgery or something.
25:08
Speaker 2: So now see, he's back in this thing that we're
25:10
Speaker 2: doing this war only because Israel wanted us to do
25:14
Speaker 2: that war. As you know, I don't agree with that.
25:19
Speaker 2: I don't think it makes any sense. But it's the
25:22
Speaker 2: thing that's been driving Tucker and many of the people
25:25
Speaker 2: that seem to oppose this war. They keep coming back,
25:28
Speaker 2: we're doing it for Israel. Well, let's imagine we were
25:34
Speaker 2: doing it for Israel, and I don't think we are,
25:36
Speaker 2: but let's imagine we were. That still doesn't mean it's
25:42
Speaker 2: a bad idea. Somebody may ask me to go off
25:48
Speaker 2: and do something, but it might be a good thing
25:52
Speaker 2: for me to do it. Aside from the fact that
25:55
Speaker 2: somebody asked me to go out there and do it,
25:59
Speaker 2: I'll pick up that in a moment. Now he gets
26:04
Speaker 2: into the next thing, talking about Trump, and I get
26:08
Speaker 2: why some people have read this and they think the
26:10
Speaker 2: Tucker has truly become crazy. He now gets onto the
26:13
Speaker 2: whole issue of it's an issue that I disagree with
26:16
Speaker 2: Trump on the move toward the legalization of marijuana. Tucker
26:23
Speaker 2: has a theory as to why Trump is on that side.
26:27
Speaker 2: I think one of the reasons that Trump is apparently
26:29
Speaker 2: going to make weed legal is so that we can
26:31
Speaker 2: lower testosterone levels even more, make people more passive. Oh
26:36
Speaker 2: my god, So Tucker thinks Trump wants to legalize marijuana
26:42
Speaker 2: so he can lower everybody's testosterone levels. I mean, there
26:50
Speaker 2: are people who buy into these kinds of conspiracy theories.
26:52
Speaker 2: I grant you, it requires you to just suspend all
26:57
Speaker 2: this belief and anyway, So that's it. What Trump was doing.
27:00
Speaker 2: It continued, have some more benzos. It's fine, because it's
27:04
Speaker 2: not fine. It's the truth. So again, long winded answer
27:08
Speaker 2: to a short question. But the future that I that
27:10
Speaker 2: I imagine is not a future in which we're yelling
27:13
Speaker 2: at each other about race. It's a future in which
27:16
Speaker 2: people are legitimately revolutionary, maybe even violent, on the basis
27:19
Speaker 2: of thwarted economic opportunity. The reporter then asks him in
27:27
Speaker 2: great to tail. It goes on for pages about the
27:29
Speaker 2: fact that he had Nick Fliuentes on his podcast. Nick
27:32
Speaker 2: Fiuentes is one of these guys in the alt right.
27:34
Speaker 2: He has a pretty large isn't the great word. It's
27:40
Speaker 2: a small number in terms of percentage of Americans, but
27:48
Speaker 2: it's like, if you have five or six percent of
27:53
Speaker 2: the people paying attention, you can say, well, ninety four,
27:55
Speaker 2: ninety five percent or not, but five percent of the
27:59
Speaker 2: people in the United States, that's millions and millions and
28:02
Speaker 2: millions and millions of people. And he's one of the
28:07
Speaker 2: more extremest voices that we've had. He's made statements with
28:12
Speaker 2: regard to he's a Holocaust denier. He said things that
28:17
Speaker 2: are clearly racist. He's beyond where I think the normal
28:21
Speaker 2: range of conservatism would go. And Tucker's been getting a
28:25
Speaker 2: lot of grief and abuse for putting Nick Fuentes on
28:27
Speaker 2: a show, and then when he was on the show,
28:29
Speaker 2: not challenging but throwing a bunch of softball. So it's
28:32
Speaker 2: the reporter. As this goes on for pages and pages
28:35
Speaker 2: and pages, but I want to address just to read
28:37
Speaker 2: a little bit of it. Reporter, you open the door, Tucker.
28:41
Speaker 2: I don't care about Nick Fuenes porter. He is not
28:44
Speaker 2: a JD. Evans. He's called him a race trader because
28:47
Speaker 2: of his marriage to Usha, who is Indian American. Tucker,
28:50
Speaker 2: I don't care. Well, let me finish the question. Given
28:54
Speaker 2: how influential Fuantes is right now, Tucker, is he reporter?
28:59
Speaker 2: Is he not? I don't know. He doesn't seem to be.
29:03
Speaker 2: He didn't get us into the war with a rat
29:06
Speaker 2: like who cares. Actually, that's kind of what I'm saying.
29:09
Speaker 2: All of this is like a sideshow. Americans are being
29:12
Speaker 2: killed at a foreign country, at the behest of another
29:14
Speaker 2: foreign country again, and it's going to wreck the US
29:18
Speaker 2: dollar and cost hyperinflation in our country. Maybe maybe not.
29:21
Speaker 2: And we're fretting about what some kid on the internet
29:25
Speaker 2: set and a let me pause. The left does this
29:28
Speaker 2: all the time. It's like, you can't talk about any
29:32
Speaker 2: of the nine hundred and ninety dumb things that they've
29:35
Speaker 2: done because you've got to talk about this one thing.
29:37
Speaker 2: This is what I've heard from people on the left
29:39
Speaker 2: with regard to Trump all the time. When people bring
29:41
Speaker 2: up all the positives that may have occurred under Trump,
29:44
Speaker 2: he closed on the border, they can't get back. Well, that,
29:47
Speaker 2: but that's not important. There's just this is if there's
29:49
Speaker 2: only one issue in the world, so we can't talk
29:52
Speaker 2: about Nick Foenes, if we can't talk about anything else
29:54
Speaker 2: because Trump started this war with a rat this is
30:01
Speaker 2: a way of taking us away from the core issues,
30:03
Speaker 2: which are economic. This is what left you say all
30:05
Speaker 2: the time, this is a distraction. Whenever you get lefties
30:08
Speaker 2: backed into a corner on something, that's what they did
30:10
Speaker 2: on the whole trans issue. Oh this is a distraction,
30:12
Speaker 2: a distraction and distraction. Where does the money come from.
30:17
Speaker 2: The only left wing movement I have ever had a
30:19
Speaker 2: lot of sympathy for was the one that arose after
30:22
Speaker 2: the global financial crisis, Occupy Wall Street. I don't know
30:25
Speaker 2: exactly what they were about, but I was like, yeah,
30:28
Speaker 2: we should be mad at the banks because like they
30:31
Speaker 2: did this and no one got punished, And within twenty
30:33
Speaker 2: minutes we're talking about black people and white people. Later
30:41
Speaker 2: on pages later, Tucker, yeah, I wish I hadn't done
30:45
Speaker 2: the Fuantes interview. So after all this, he now says
30:48
Speaker 2: I shouldn't have done the interview. I think the reporter
30:54
Speaker 2: brow beat him into that. But if he thinks he
30:57
Speaker 2: shouldn't have done the Nick Fluenes interview, you know, over
31:00
Speaker 2: the years, I've done things I wish I hadn't done.
31:02
Speaker 2: Why didn't he just say that from the beginning? Reporter? Really? Tucker, Yeah,
31:09
Speaker 2: it was totally not worth it. It was kind of interesting,
31:12
Speaker 2: I guess, but I added to the distraction. What I
31:14
Speaker 2: really wanted to talk about was where we were going
31:17
Speaker 2: in this war with a rat And I spent like
31:19
Speaker 2: a month getting calls some people like you're a Nazi,
31:22
Speaker 2: and I wish I hadn't done that. It didn't imperil
31:25
Speaker 2: my soul. I've interviewed far worse people than Nick Fiuentes,
31:28
Speaker 2: like Mike Huckabee, far worse people than Nick Fiuenes, hurt
31:31
Speaker 2: many more people than Nick Fiennes, same with Ted Cruz,
31:35
Speaker 2: so I don't think it affected me. I interview people
31:37
Speaker 2: I disagree with all the time, and I'm often polite
31:39
Speaker 2: to them, including war criminals. The only person I've really
31:42
Speaker 2: been impolite to who was Ted Cruz because I have
31:45
Speaker 2: limited self control and he's just so repulsive and I
31:48
Speaker 2: couldn't control myself, and I was a jerk and I
31:52
Speaker 2: tried to apologize. But if you had to sit across
31:54
Speaker 2: from Ted Cruz, it's just there's something about him. It's
31:57
Speaker 2: just repulsive, disgusting. Like if you edited a men's room
32:01
Speaker 2: and Ted Kruz is there, you would be like, I
32:04
Speaker 2: can hold it. I leaving and I broke down under
32:07
Speaker 2: the strain of his repulsiveness. But in general I try
32:10
Speaker 2: to be nice to everybody, but man, that for one
32:12
Speaker 2: day's interview, it just added to the distraction. Ted Cruz
32:20
Speaker 2: has been a significant part. I mean I voted for
32:24
Speaker 2: Ted Cruz of president in twenty sixteen. He's been a
32:27
Speaker 2: staunch and reliable conservative. The one issue upon which he
32:31
Speaker 2: and Tucker brek ranks is Ted Cruz is concerned about
32:35
Speaker 2: the Iranian situation. It supports the war, and now Tucker's
32:38
Speaker 2: on there, you get the hebgb's and the men's room
32:41
Speaker 2: with him. Now, some thoughts first on this whole thing
32:49
Speaker 2: with the war that sets him off. When you listen
32:53
Speaker 2: to the positions of some of these people, you see
32:58
Speaker 2: this obsession with his which I just is historic as
33:03
Speaker 2: long as Jews have been around, and as long as
33:06
Speaker 2: Israel has been around in all of its forms. The
33:09
Speaker 2: original Israel, the homeland of the Jews in Biblical times.
33:14
Speaker 2: The post nineteen forty six is real, created by the
33:17
Speaker 2: UN after World War II, and so there have been
33:20
Speaker 2: people that have been obsessed by it and Jews. So
33:23
Speaker 2: now we have this war in a rat Do I
33:28
Speaker 2: think Trump got into this war because Israel forced him
33:31
Speaker 2: into the war? No, Trump, like many politicians, is all
33:40
Speaker 2: over the map on things, and Trump has an ability
33:42
Speaker 2: to be all over the map on an issue. In
33:44
Speaker 2: the same paragraph. As I've explained in the past, he's
33:47
Speaker 2: his own good cop bag cop, which is why he
33:49
Speaker 2: sends signals of one thing and sends signals to another,
33:51
Speaker 2: tries to keep people guessing. But the one thing he
33:54
Speaker 2: has been consistent about, not just since he emerged at
33:56
Speaker 2: the political scene in twenty fifteen, but going back thirty
34:00
Speaker 2: forty years is that he has said Iran cannot have
34:03
Speaker 2: a nuclear weapon. He said it in sixteen, he said
34:10
Speaker 2: it in twenty, and he said it again. I mean,
34:12
Speaker 2: I watched all those speeches, and Tucker was at a
34:15
Speaker 2: lot of them, the rallies. He said, we will not
34:18
Speaker 2: allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon. I think Trump
34:25
Speaker 2: believes that Iran getting its hands in a nuclear weapon
34:31
Speaker 2: is existentially threatening to the United States because I think
34:35
Speaker 2: he believes if they have nuclear weapons, they will use them. No,
34:40
Speaker 2: you can say, maybe they won't use them. It seems
34:43
Speaker 2: to me that Iran has attacked the United States again
34:46
Speaker 2: and again and again and again. It seems to me
34:48
Speaker 2: that the leaders of Iran have stated that they believe
34:50
Speaker 2: in jihad, in holy war, that they don't believe that
34:53
Speaker 2: anyone has a right to live who isn't a Muslim.
34:55
Speaker 2: They've said all of these things. So I think, but again,
34:58
Speaker 2: you could agree with it or disagree with that, but
34:59
Speaker 2: I think it's a continuation of the position that Trump
35:02
Speaker 2: has had all along. A year ago he tried to
35:04
Speaker 2: knock out their nuclear facilities. He came to the conclusion
35:08
Speaker 2: of the period after that time that while we set
35:10
Speaker 2: them back entirely, they were going right back to work
35:12
Speaker 2: on it. He also saw that at this point in time,
35:16
Speaker 2: prior to the start of the war, Iran was not stable.
35:19
Speaker 2: There were massive demonstrations in the streets in Iran of
35:24
Speaker 2: people who wanted to overthrow the government. And I think
35:27
Speaker 2: Trump felt that this was the best time to strike
35:30
Speaker 2: because Iran simply would not give up its nuclear program.
35:34
Speaker 2: They'd be stabilized not only the Middle East, which they have,
35:39
Speaker 2: but the rest of the world, and Trump felt, rightly
35:42
Speaker 2: or wrongly, that he needed to take care of it.
35:46
Speaker 2: I don't think it's any more complicated to that. Israel
35:49
Speaker 2: happy about it, Well, yeah they are, but you know what,
35:51
Speaker 2: so is Saudi Arabia. So are the Emirates. I think
35:58
Speaker 2: so are the Russians. They won't admit that. I don't
36:00
Speaker 2: think that there's much of anybody in the world who's
36:03
Speaker 2: comfortable with a rat for even all their lack of support,
36:09
Speaker 2: which I just think is a fear of the consequences.
36:12
Speaker 2: I think the nations of Europe don't want to run around.
36:16
Speaker 2: But I don't think Prump did it for any of
36:18
Speaker 2: those reasons. He did it because he thinks it's not
36:20
Speaker 2: good for the United States. Again, right, or wrong. This
36:25
Speaker 2: idea the Donald Trump, who has stood up to anybody
36:31
Speaker 2: and everything. I mean, this is a guy who stood
36:35
Speaker 2: up to the attempts to put him in prison, to
36:37
Speaker 2: impeach him, lied about Russia collusion, the whole thing, that
36:41
Speaker 2: suddenly he's gonna whimp out because of net and Yahoo,
36:44
Speaker 2: who may well even be a lame duck in Israel.
36:47
Speaker 2: It's just ridiculous to me. Again, you can have a
36:55
Speaker 2: position in support or opposed to the war, but this
36:58
Speaker 2: idea that Trump is under the spell and they forced
37:01
Speaker 2: him to do it. How can they force him to
37:04
Speaker 2: do it? Nobody's been able to force Trump to do anything.
37:11
Speaker 2: Did he get persuaded to do it? Well, people try
37:13
Speaker 2: to persuade him all the time. Now, there's another part
37:17
Speaker 2: of Trucker's commentary in there in which he gets into
37:20
Speaker 2: the incredible economic apprehension that exists among young people, and
37:27
Speaker 2: the American playing field is not level. So many young
37:31
Speaker 2: people believe that they can't afford a home, they have
37:34
Speaker 2: no future. Well, some of those fears are real. This
37:41
Speaker 2: brings me to a story, though lengthy story done by
37:46
Speaker 2: the Epoch Times, that I want to comment on. It
37:49
Speaker 2: refers here's the headline, a property tax rebellion is emerging
37:53
Speaker 2: in America. And the story is very, very long, and
37:57
Speaker 2: it goes on all across the country to citizens just
38:01
Speaker 2: raising hell about the increases in their property taxes. We
38:05
Speaker 2: certainly know that in Wisconsin, where our property tax rates
38:08
Speaker 2: are among the highest in the nation, well, why our
38:19
Speaker 2: property taxes so high? This is one of those cases
38:23
Speaker 2: in which you can truly say it's because of the
38:27
Speaker 2: people themselves. Look at us at Wisconsin. Most of the
38:32
Speaker 2: times that a local government puts a referendum on the
38:35
Speaker 2: ballot to raise property taxes, they pass. As the story
38:43
Speaker 2: points out, it's spending on education that is driving the
38:46
Speaker 2: increase in property taxes. Municipal government spending has not risen
38:50
Speaker 2: in particularly Wisconsin, has not risen anywhere near at the
38:53
Speaker 2: level that school spending has risen. We spend more and
38:56
Speaker 2: more and more on the schools, even though enrollments are
38:59
Speaker 2: going down and down and down and down. But it's
39:03
Speaker 2: never enough, and the public continues to voll for these increases.
39:07
Speaker 2: In addition to that, as I pointed out after the
39:11
Speaker 2: April election here in Wisconsin, the reality is that conservatives
39:16
Speaker 2: are likely to vote in the fall elections President, Congress,
39:20
Speaker 2: state officials, governor than they are in the spring elections
39:23
Speaker 2: when you elect local officials. So if there's all this
39:26
Speaker 2: concern about property taxes, why aren't people voting in the
39:29
Speaker 2: spring elections and voting against the people who want to
39:32
Speaker 2: throw more money at the schools Because you can't lower
39:35
Speaker 2: property taxes unless you spend less money at the schools,
39:38
Speaker 2: because that's where the biggest chunk of them go. And
39:49
Speaker 2: related to that, I agree with Tucker on more of
39:56
Speaker 2: his commentary on the economic stuff. And you might think,
40:01
Speaker 2: for many, many years on my program, I've made the
40:06
Speaker 2: point that this really started back in the w. Bush era.
40:10
Speaker 2: The Democrats kept saying the rich are getting poor, the
40:16
Speaker 2: rich are getting richer, the poor getting poor, and the
40:18
Speaker 2: middle class is falling behind. And Republicans just kept denying that. Well,
40:25
Speaker 2: except it's true. You have to be blind not to
40:30
Speaker 2: have noticed it. In the United States of America, the
40:33
Speaker 2: middle class is shrinking. That part is true, and it
40:41
Speaker 2: shrunk the most when Democrats were in charge in the
40:46
Speaker 2: Obama era. That was the area in which the stock
40:49
Speaker 2: park and in real estate prices exploded. Every asset class
40:54
Speaker 2: did great under Obama, but there was no wage growth
40:57
Speaker 2: in America at all. It's clearly true. There are a
41:07
Speaker 2: lot of reasons for it. Illegal immigration is certainly one
41:12
Speaker 2: of them, and Tucker is right on that particular issue.
41:18
Speaker 2: But it is true, which brings me to this story
41:20
Speaker 2: that I think ties it all together before we go
41:22
Speaker 2: to a break. You heard the discussion of Trucker on
41:25
Speaker 2: income inequality and young people are getting screwed and so on,
41:29
Speaker 2: and then the story that I just mentioned about angst
41:32
Speaker 2: in the United States of a rising property taxes. There's
41:36
Speaker 2: this proposal right now in Milwaukee to build a soul
41:41
Speaker 2: called convention hotel. First of all, I don't understand what
41:48
Speaker 2: a convention hotel is. I honestly don't. I've been to
41:51
Speaker 2: hotels all over the United States. What's the Why is
41:53
Speaker 2: a hotel on Wisconsin Abdor cross the street from the
41:57
Speaker 2: convention Center a convention hotel? But why is the Hilton,
42:00
Speaker 2: which is one block away not a convention hotel? Is
42:04
Speaker 2: the Hyatt, which is very close to the convention center
42:06
Speaker 2: a convention The Downtown Milwaukee Convention Center Board is trying
42:14
Speaker 2: to convince the City of Milwaukee to issue bonds subsidizing
42:21
Speaker 2: the construction of a new hotel. The originally talked about
42:23
Speaker 2: putting the hotel in the area where the Miller High
42:27
Speaker 2: Life Theater and the UW Milwaukee Panther Arena. Knocked those
42:30
Speaker 2: down and put up a hotel. They finally backed off
42:33
Speaker 2: of that idiotic idea, and now the idea is to
42:36
Speaker 2: build a hotel on a lot that's been an empty
42:39
Speaker 2: lot on Wisconsin Avenue, fourth and fifth Street. It's been
42:41
Speaker 2: an empty lot for I'm telling you twenty years, maybe war.
42:47
Speaker 2: And they acknowledge, well, it's not economically feasible unless we
42:51
Speaker 2: give them a huge chunk of the money. We have
42:52
Speaker 2: to subsidize it. We have all I mean, hotels have
42:57
Speaker 2: been going up in Milwaukee right and left the last
42:59
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. They're all over the place, and almost
43:01
Speaker 2: none of them got subsidies. Why is this what it
43:04
Speaker 2: needs subsidy? I'll tell you what it needs a subsidy
43:06
Speaker 2: because it's a bad idea. Let's suppose I'm I'm a
43:11
Speaker 2: rich guy and I develop hotels. I size this one,
43:14
Speaker 2: this one I can't do. I need to have a subsidy.
43:16
Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense. Doesn't that tell you it's
43:20
Speaker 2: a bad idea. Now here's where I'm going with this,
43:33
Speaker 2: this subsidy would mean a burden on taxpayers, driving up costs.
43:39
Speaker 2: Yet again, the subsidy would benefit who, well, the developer
43:44
Speaker 2: of the hotel and maybe the other people who think
43:47
Speaker 2: that they benefit from having the convention center. If you
43:55
Speaker 2: wonder why your taxes are so high and why some
43:57
Speaker 2: people are getting ahead and some are not, take a
44:01
Speaker 2: look at who's getting subsidized and who's doing the subsidizing.
44:05
Speaker 2: It's the same issue in a different way with all
44:07
Speaker 2: the Somali fraud. And here in Milwaukee today we just
44:11
Speaker 2: had a woman criminally charged with running a scam against
44:15
Speaker 2: Medicare and Medicaid and home healthcare. Those are the easiest
44:18
Speaker 2: kind of programs to Yeah, I went into this guy's home,
44:21
Speaker 2: and that guy's home, in the other person's home, in
44:22
Speaker 2: this person's unless the Feds are actually going into that
44:25
Speaker 2: house and say, hey, did this nurse come over and
44:27
Speaker 2: do anything? How do you know? There are millions of
44:36
Speaker 2: us who don't get a subsidy for anything, nothing, And
44:41
Speaker 2: then there are others on the low end, on the
44:43
Speaker 2: scammer end and on the government end who gets subsidized
44:48
Speaker 2: all the time. If you want to go out about
44:54
Speaker 2: income and equality, and how housing prices are not affordable
44:57
Speaker 2: because of the increase in property taxes. Maybe you ought
45:02
Speaker 2: to focus on something like this. Now you got this
45:05
Speaker 2: Milwaukee Common Council. They're all lefties and most of them
45:11
Speaker 2: represent the lower income neighborhoods that are dotting the city.
45:15
Speaker 2: Why would any of them support this? How to subsidizing
45:20
Speaker 2: another hotel in Wisconsin Avenau helps somebody living on North
45:28
Speaker 2: Burley Street And the answer is that it obviously does not.
45:37
Speaker 2: This is the Mark Belling podcast I could do, and
45:43
Speaker 2: maybe we will. I've been thinking a lot here in
45:45
Speaker 2: season two about ways to change the podcast of season one,
45:48
Speaker 2: and you're gonna hear some of those things over the
45:50
Speaker 2: next coming weeks. When you take four months off and
45:55
Speaker 2: don't do much of anything, it allows you to think
45:57
Speaker 2: about stuff like this. And I have some thoughts, and
46:01
Speaker 2: one of them is to do you every now and then.
46:03
Speaker 2: Last year we did a special podcast in which it
46:05
Speaker 2: was a one topic only podcast. I might do more
46:08
Speaker 2: of those, and this could be one of them. If
46:10
Speaker 2: we can't do it today. It's a problem with being
46:13
Speaker 2: offered four months. All these ideas are backed up, but
46:15
Speaker 2: I want to mention it at least briefly, this is
46:17
Speaker 2: one of those cases of something really big is going on,
46:22
Speaker 2: and it's not anything that I think anyone predicted. I'm
46:28
Speaker 2: always more interesting in the kinds of developments that you
46:32
Speaker 2: really didn't see coming. It's a generational story. I say
46:39
Speaker 2: all the time that each generation is very different from
46:45
Speaker 2: the one before it in some ways. The Baby Boomers
46:51
Speaker 2: were radically different, for better and for worse, mostly for
46:55
Speaker 2: worse than the greatest generation in their parents, the World
46:58
Speaker 2: War Two generation. The one thing my generation was great
47:02
Speaker 2: at his music. You can argue nothing else, but we're
47:06
Speaker 2: very different. The Generation xers looked at the Baby Boomers
47:13
Speaker 2: as we're a bunch of hedonistic people, and they're different.
47:17
Speaker 2: Then you have the Millennials, radically different, terrified of marriage,
47:22
Speaker 2: terrified of commitment, terrified of buying a house, terrified of dating.
47:28
Speaker 2: The millennial men don't like the millennial women, hanging out
47:32
Speaker 2: in packs, never doing anything together, living with their parents
47:36
Speaker 2: until they're forty, on and on and on. And now
47:39
Speaker 2: we have the Gen zs, the oldest of which, depending
47:42
Speaker 2: on how you estimate it is about twenty five. There's
47:45
Speaker 2: something going on with that generation which is fascinating. Huge
47:50
Speaker 2: numbers of them are suddenly going to church. In particular,
47:56
Speaker 2: they're going to Catholic church. I'm telling you this comes
48:01
Speaker 2: from nowhere. There's been pretty much a decline for the
48:05
Speaker 2: last forty years of church attendance in America, particularly among
48:10
Speaker 2: mainstream Protestant religions and the Roman Catholic Church. The story
48:14
Speaker 2: is in Monday's Wall Street Journal. Gen Z finds a
48:17
Speaker 2: home in Sunday Mass and the story focuses on a
48:21
Speaker 2: number of Catholic churches around the country, some that didn't
48:24
Speaker 2: have very strong attendants very very recently, that now are
48:27
Speaker 2: packed packed, like beyond capacity. Something that a lot of
48:38
Speaker 2: people noted is that after the killing of Charlie Kirk
48:41
Speaker 2: last year, suddenly young people were starting to show up
48:44
Speaker 2: in church, Catholic church, Protestant churches, non denominational churches that
48:51
Speaker 2: for whatever reason that got them to thinking. And now
48:53
Speaker 2: there's the same where suddenly lots of young people are
48:56
Speaker 2: showing up in church in general and Roman Catholic Mass
49:01
Speaker 2: in particular. This is a complete opposite of the trend
49:06
Speaker 2: of millennials who almost have had a strike and any
49:08
Speaker 2: kind of practicing of organized religion. I don't have time
49:14
Speaker 2: today to dive into all of the reasons as to
49:17
Speaker 2: why this is going on. But it's very interesting. You
49:24
Speaker 2: can't trust the mainstream media to explore it because most
49:29
Speaker 2: of the mainstream media just loathes religion and they're not
49:35
Speaker 2: going to be able to be open minded enough to
49:37
Speaker 2: pursue what is actually going on here. But the fact
49:40
Speaker 2: of the matter is that it's happening. Here's an interesting story.
49:53
Speaker 2: The new CEO of Harley Davidson, Aarty Stars, is beginning
49:59
Speaker 2: to put his imprint to the company, and if you
50:01
Speaker 2: want to summarize it in one sentence, it's he's trying
50:05
Speaker 2: to undo all the damage done by his idiot predecessor. Now,
50:10
Speaker 2: there's a lot of reasons why I love this story.
50:12
Speaker 2: The first is I sat back on my old radio
50:15
Speaker 2: show repeated again and again and again that the last CEO,
50:18
Speaker 2: Yoakam Sites, was an idiot who was wrecking Harley. I've
50:23
Speaker 2: said this in the past about several CEOs of other
50:25
Speaker 2: local companies. I said it with regard to the woman
50:28
Speaker 2: who took over calls and indeed wrecked the company. So obviously,
50:36
Speaker 2: when the company indeed gets wrecked, I could focus on it.
50:40
Speaker 2: The problem here is boards of directors come under the
50:42
Speaker 2: spell of some of these people. In the case of sites,
50:44
Speaker 2: rather than getting into all of the others. He lived
50:48
Speaker 2: in San Antonio, never moved to Milwaukee. Red flag. Why
50:52
Speaker 2: didn't he move to Milwaukee because he doesn't like Milwaukee.
50:58
Speaker 2: If you're hired to run a company, you could do
51:01
Speaker 2: all you want about Oh, okay, I can do it
51:03
Speaker 2: via video, I can do it through zoom call. Fine,
51:08
Speaker 2: you can do all of that. But why don't you
51:10
Speaker 2: just move here? Because he didn't want to move here.
51:18
Speaker 2: If there is a city in the United States that
51:20
Speaker 2: is a Harley city, it is Milwaukee. Not only is
51:22
Speaker 2: Harley from here. The percentage of people in the Milwaukee
51:27
Speaker 2: general area who ride highleys is probably one of the
51:30
Speaker 2: highest of any metro regions in the country. It hardly
51:33
Speaker 2: is not only from Milwaukee. Milwaukee's kind of like a
51:35
Speaker 2: Hiley type city. This guy comes in and the first
51:39
Speaker 2: thing that he does is he accelerates the move toward
51:41
Speaker 2: electric motorcycles. I mean, I get the whole idea that
51:45
Speaker 2: electric motorcycles can make some sense. He created this company
51:48
Speaker 2: called live Wire and so on, and this became his
51:50
Speaker 2: be you all, an end all. It should never have
51:55
Speaker 2: been more than a niche because that's all it's going
51:57
Speaker 2: to be. Then he got rid of the low end motorcycles.
52:02
Speaker 2: He figured, well, one of the ways to make more
52:05
Speaker 2: money is to stop selling our cheapost stuff start selling
52:08
Speaker 2: more expensive motorcycles that can be marked up more. This,
52:12
Speaker 2: of course, is frozen on a number of people on
52:14
Speaker 2: the lower end. Anyway, the new guy that's in his
52:16
Speaker 2: name is already stars. He's announcing that Harley is bringing
52:22
Speaker 2: back the sports there, which is I won't say cheapest,
52:25
Speaker 2: but it's its least expensive model. In addition to that,
52:30
Speaker 2: he is re emphasizing the West Side headquarters. The previous
52:36
Speaker 2: guy sites, the guy that didn't want to come to Milwaukee,
52:38
Speaker 2: did all but close the Milwaukee headquarters. There were still
52:42
Speaker 2: offices there, but almost all the operations were going to
52:44
Speaker 2: be run elsewhere. He did everything he could in he
52:47
Speaker 2: emphasized Milwaukee because he wasn't from Milwaukee. The story in
52:53
Speaker 2: the Wall Street Journal Harley's new CEO aims for value
52:56
Speaker 2: and others try to make the motorcycles more affordable. Story
53:00
Speaker 2: in the Business Journal, commenting on all of this. The
53:04
Speaker 2: iconic sports through is a key part of Harley Davids's
53:06
Speaker 2: CEO's plan here's why, and he goes into all of
53:09
Speaker 2: the reasons why we've priced younger people out of the market.
53:12
Speaker 2: We don't have an entry level motorcycle. If you don't
53:14
Speaker 2: have an entry level motorcycle, how do you ever get
53:16
Speaker 2: somebody in the now? I do think the whole Harley
53:20
Speaker 2: Davidson is a company with a challenging future. The gen
53:23
Speaker 2: Zs might be different, but the Millennials were a generation.
53:27
Speaker 2: And again we're generalizing, meaning it's true more often than
53:30
Speaker 2: not that don't like risk. The whole point of riding
53:33
Speaker 2: a Hireley is risky. You go down, you're driving, riding
53:38
Speaker 2: ninety to ninety five miles an hour, going as fast
53:40
Speaker 2: as you can. You love the notion of the wind
53:42
Speaker 2: whipping through your air and the open air and freedom,
53:45
Speaker 2: et cetera. It's all so dangerous. The Millennials didn't want
53:51
Speaker 2: any part of that, and they were the ones that
53:53
Speaker 2: drilled that anything that burns gasoline and burning those they're
53:58
Speaker 2: not for any of that stuff. Save the planet and
54:00
Speaker 2: so on. The gen Zs may not turn the motorcycles either.
54:02
Speaker 2: I mean, I just see lots of them riding these scooters,
54:05
Speaker 2: which is the only thing that they have in common.
54:08
Speaker 2: Is there's two wheels and a handle them. By the way,
54:11
Speaker 2: scooters have nothing to do with motorcycles. Motorcycles are there
54:15
Speaker 2: to be loud, raw fast, and scooters are utilitarian things
54:21
Speaker 2: to get you from one place to another. Anyway, Harley's
54:24
Speaker 2: whole future is just may be difficult. There may not
54:27
Speaker 2: be masses of people who want to ride big, loud
54:32
Speaker 2: motorcycles anymore. And if that's the case, there's nothing they
54:35
Speaker 2: can do about it. But for the universe of people
54:37
Speaker 2: who do, they need to do with re embrace everything
54:40
Speaker 2: that made Harley what Harley is. Harley's not woke, Harley's
54:46
Speaker 2: hardcore American. Harley is iron, Harley is loud, Harley is
54:52
Speaker 2: in your face, and most of all, Harley is all
54:57
Speaker 2: of the things that the last CEO got the heat.
55:00
Speaker 2: GB's if he the CEO, it's one of these guys
55:02
Speaker 2: who came out of he created some European thing that's
55:05
Speaker 2: the stateability. And one thing that I find interesting is
55:12
Speaker 2: whether or not the new CEO already stars is going
55:14
Speaker 2: to move to Milwaukee now. The Business Journal reported when
55:19
Speaker 2: he was hired, Rich Kirch and the reporter went into
55:21
Speaker 2: their SEC filings and I've dived into it myself. He
55:25
Speaker 2: does get a bonus and financial assistance for relocating to Milwaukee.
55:32
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's done that yet. I've sent
55:34
Speaker 2: an email to Harley and they have not responded. I
55:38
Speaker 2: don't know if the Media Relations Department is a bunch
55:40
Speaker 2: of holdoad over some zites or not. But prior to
55:42
Speaker 2: Sites being there, Harley would always always react and they
55:45
Speaker 2: were always open to questions that I asked and so on.
55:49
Speaker 2: In this latest period, the PR department seems to be
55:52
Speaker 2: run by the same snobbish assholes that Yoakam Sites was,
55:57
Speaker 2: So I don't know. They didn't give me an answer.
55:59
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's here or not. But if
56:01
Speaker 2: he does move here and he doesn't have to move,
56:03
Speaker 2: you know, you live in the Lake Country, you can
56:06
Speaker 2: live in the North Shore. You can live with somebody
56:08
Speaker 2: who makes millions and millions of dollars due, but you
56:10
Speaker 2: kind of have to be here. Here's where the operation is,
56:13
Speaker 2: Here's where the key people are. You have to be here,
56:15
Speaker 2: and the big thing is you want to be here
56:17
Speaker 2: because this is a Harley place. So I think that
56:21
Speaker 2: that will be an important indicator if he actually lays
56:23
Speaker 2: down roots here again, maybe he already has, But if
56:27
Speaker 2: he had, I would have thought that Harley would have
56:31
Speaker 2: wanted to tell me. You're listening to the Mark Belling podcast.
56:39
Speaker 2: Here's another one of those topics that I could cover
56:41
Speaker 2: in great depth. We're only going to give it about
56:43
Speaker 2: sixty seconds here, big story in the Wall Street Journal.
56:46
Speaker 2: Most except a few sharks lose on prediction markets. The
56:51
Speaker 2: two big companies doing prediction markets are Polymarket and Calshi.
56:55
Speaker 2: They've moved into Wisconsin. One is gradually rolling out of
56:59
Speaker 2: the United States. The other is already here. The Attorney
57:02
Speaker 2: General of Wisconsin is suing, claiming that they're really illegal
57:05
Speaker 2: under ed state's law because they're gambling. For those of
57:07
Speaker 2: you that haven't taken now, first of all, I think
57:09
Speaker 2: they are gambling, but they're structured like they're in the
57:13
Speaker 2: futures market. So it's going to be up to the
57:15
Speaker 2: courts to decide whether or not they're legal in Wisconsin
57:17
Speaker 2: or not. But they're all over the United States, they're
57:19
Speaker 2: all over the world. What it is is the opportunity
57:22
Speaker 2: to essentially bet on anything. They ask when will the
57:27
Speaker 2: war on a Ran end over? And and they give
57:29
Speaker 2: you a certain number of days, what will oil prices
57:31
Speaker 2: be on for you can bet on all of this stuff,
57:34
Speaker 2: and they also include sports in the same way that
57:36
Speaker 2: the online betting places. They have all of it. But
57:40
Speaker 2: because you get you know, a sports betting, you're limited
57:43
Speaker 2: to betting on sports. Kelshy and Polymarket let you bet
57:46
Speaker 2: on anything, and the Wall Street Journal story points out
57:54
Speaker 2: that the overwhelming majority of people leave. First of all,
57:57
Speaker 2: there's a spread on the bets. It's the house edge.
58:00
Speaker 2: It's al Kelshy and Pollmarket. You know, it's not like
58:04
Speaker 2: you bet this way you get a dollar, but the
58:05
Speaker 2: other way you get a dollar. There's a gap. You
58:07
Speaker 2: have to lay a certain amount of money there. You know,
58:11
Speaker 2: the difference between yes, this will happen and know that
58:13
Speaker 2: will happen is not even. And that gap is how
58:15
Speaker 2: Polymarket makes its money. And most people are losing money.
58:21
Speaker 2: I suspect that that's because a lot of people are
58:26
Speaker 2: either guessing wrong because they are going with what they
58:32
Speaker 2: perceive as conventional wisdom, or guessing the way they think something,
58:35
Speaker 2: the way they want something to happen. But the big
58:38
Speaker 2: thing that happens is people can't manage their money and
58:42
Speaker 2: they can't stop doing it. I'm not saying that these
58:46
Speaker 2: things should be banned, and whether or not they're legal
58:49
Speaker 2: in Wisconsin or not, again, the courts are going to decide.
58:52
Speaker 2: I do think that a reasoned discipline person can make
58:58
Speaker 2: money on them. I have an account with one of them,
59:04
Speaker 2: and I have yet to make a bet because I
59:08
Speaker 2: haven't found one in which I thought that the payoff
59:11
Speaker 2: was way less than it ought to be. In other words,
59:14
Speaker 2: let's just come up with a complete fake example which
59:17
Speaker 2: party will win the twenty twenty eighth presidential election Democratic
59:20
Speaker 2: Republican and they have odds on that. If I, for example,
59:25
Speaker 2: was overwhelming the confident in one side of the other
59:28
Speaker 2: and the odds were saying the other way was more likely,
59:31
Speaker 2: I would do it. And it's the only way on
59:32
Speaker 2: something like this that you can make money to be
59:35
Speaker 2: extremely selective and exercise knowledge in an area where you
59:42
Speaker 2: think you're simply ahead of the curve and see what
59:45
Speaker 2: somebody else doesn't see. But if you're one of these
59:47
Speaker 2: people who's got to place ninety like a day trader
59:50
Speaker 2: placing ninety seven of these every day, of course, in
59:52
Speaker 2: the long run, you're going to lose. Here's my next story.
1:00:01
Speaker 2: Milwaukee Brewer Relief pitcher Hilbert o Zerpa is out for
1:00:04
Speaker 2: the season blew out his elbow. He was one of
1:00:08
Speaker 2: the guys that was picked up in the offseason. They
1:00:11
Speaker 2: traded two players from Isaac Collins and Nick Meerors. Isaac
1:00:15
Speaker 2: Collins is one of those classic guys that the Brewers
1:00:17
Speaker 2: have had in the current era and the reason that
1:00:22
Speaker 2: they have overachieved as a franchise. Take a guy who
1:00:25
Speaker 2: has never thought to be much of anything in the
1:00:26
Speaker 2: minor leagues, gets in the major leagues and he's an
1:00:28
Speaker 2: above average player, and then get rid of him after that,
1:00:32
Speaker 2: knowing that you've gotten more out of him that one
1:00:34
Speaker 2: year than he'll ever do again. Caleb Durkins, another Durban,
1:00:38
Speaker 2: is another example of that. They dumped him and all
1:00:40
Speaker 2: the other bad Thursday basin that we got and sent
1:00:42
Speaker 2: him to Boston and we got Kyle Harrison back. I
1:00:45
Speaker 2: think it's the exact same thing that they did in
1:00:47
Speaker 2: getting Quinn Priest through a year ago. The Brewers are
1:00:49
Speaker 2: really really good at taking these guys that really aren't
1:00:52
Speaker 2: that good, maximizing their potential and suckering some other team
1:00:58
Speaker 2: to taking him, and you'll get somebody that they have
1:01:01
Speaker 2: that you think you can turn into something real. Well,
1:01:04
Speaker 2: Zurpa was supposed to be one of those guys. He's
1:01:07
Speaker 2: blowing out his arm. They may end up long term
1:01:09
Speaker 2: getting nothing for him. And again they didn't give up much.
1:01:11
Speaker 2: Nick Mert Meers is a journeyman reliever, and Isaac Collins
1:01:14
Speaker 2: was an outfielder who couldn't really hit very much. Anyway,
1:01:19
Speaker 2: Zurpa was probably the biggest star in the World Baseball Classic.
1:01:26
Speaker 2: That's that international competition that they held during spring training
1:01:29
Speaker 2: were the best players from each nation got together and
1:01:33
Speaker 2: they had this tournament. Most of the games I think
1:01:34
Speaker 2: were played in Houston, and it was a really really
1:01:37
Speaker 2: big deal, and the fans were really in it. The
1:01:40
Speaker 2: people who come from this country and that country, and
1:01:42
Speaker 2: even people from the United States, they were at a
1:01:44
Speaker 2: cheering for their country and the players really wanted to win.
1:01:49
Speaker 2: Zurpa pitched for the Dominican Republic, which actually won the tournament,
1:01:52
Speaker 2: and he was the closer. He pitched and I think
1:01:55
Speaker 2: all but two games in the tournament and just was
1:01:57
Speaker 2: electric in the stuff that he showed. In other words,
1:02:01
Speaker 2: he was pitching at a World Series level. But in
1:02:04
Speaker 2: February and now his arm is blown out. Maybe it's
1:02:08
Speaker 2: a coincidence, but I suspect that spring training was way
1:02:14
Speaker 2: too early to throw yourself in and pitch at mid
1:02:17
Speaker 2: season level. I think having this thing before the regular
1:02:22
Speaker 2: Major League Baseball season starts as a recipe for disaster.
1:02:26
Speaker 2: It's the same hang up that a lot of Bucks
1:02:28
Speaker 2: fans have with the fact that Jannis goes to Greece
1:02:30
Speaker 2: every summer and plays for them in international competition, and
1:02:34
Speaker 2: then the season comes around and he always gets hurt.
1:02:39
Speaker 2: I have a solution. Jason's into sports. Do you have
1:02:42
Speaker 2: a solution to this problem? I am a problem solver.
1:02:46
Speaker 2: You could learn from me in this No, that's not it.
1:02:55
Speaker 2: Just like Paul, You're not gonna get any of these questions,
1:02:57
Speaker 2: right are you. I think we can learn from Thelympics.
1:03:03
Speaker 2: The Olympic Hockey competition occurred in the middle of the
1:03:06
Speaker 2: National Hockey League season and it was the biggest thing there.
1:03:12
Speaker 2: The championship game between the United States and Canada got
1:03:16
Speaker 2: a monster rating. That rating that they got for that
1:03:19
Speaker 2: game is going to be greater than anything that you're
1:03:21
Speaker 2: going to see for any of the Stanley Cup playoff games.
1:03:26
Speaker 2: What baseball should do and right now they don't hold
1:03:29
Speaker 2: the World Baseball Classic every year, whether they hold it
1:03:31
Speaker 2: every year, every two years or every four years, or
1:03:33
Speaker 2: whatever it is that they wanted to do. I think
1:03:35
Speaker 2: they should hold it in the middle of the season.
1:03:37
Speaker 2: Simply pause the Major League Baseball season for a week
1:03:40
Speaker 2: and a half and it's not long. What did the
1:03:43
Speaker 2: WCBC go on in spring training? Two weeks of the most, right,
1:03:47
Speaker 2: and not every team played for the two four weeks
1:03:49
Speaker 2: because they'd be eliminated. You would get incredible attention. It'd
1:03:53
Speaker 2: be a break otherwise in the season, and people would
1:03:56
Speaker 2: focus on this and it would engage people in the
1:03:59
Speaker 2: sport of baseball. And then when the season resumed. The
1:04:01
Speaker 2: reason Baseball won't do it is they'd probably have to
1:04:04
Speaker 2: shorten the season by about ten games to make up
1:04:06
Speaker 2: for the fact that you're losing the two weeks. But
1:04:10
Speaker 2: the alternative is they have these players and it's a
1:04:13
Speaker 2: greater problem obbosly for pitchers blow out their arms through overuse.
1:04:17
Speaker 2: If you look at spring training, even the starting pitchers
1:04:19
Speaker 2: usually only pitch one or two winnings because they're building
1:04:21
Speaker 2: themselves up. It would be ridiculous in spring training for
1:04:24
Speaker 2: the Brewers to use the same relief pitcher every day
1:04:27
Speaker 2: of spring training. But that's what they did of the WBC.
1:04:32
Speaker 2: So my solution is to do the same thing in
1:04:35
Speaker 2: hot and now hockey has no choice but to stop
1:04:37
Speaker 2: the NHL. I mean, they could continue the NHL with
1:04:40
Speaker 2: all the good players go out and have the teams
1:04:41
Speaker 2: continue to play, since most NHL players didn't go to
1:04:46
Speaker 2: the Olympics. But since the Olympics are in the winner
1:04:48
Speaker 2: and the NHL season is in the winner, they have
1:04:50
Speaker 2: to stop it for that. With regard to the World
1:04:52
Speaker 2: Baseball Classic, which I think clearly was a hit, there
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Speaker 2: was a lot of attention, the television rating sport were outstanding.
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Speaker 2: Put it in the middle of the season, stop the
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Speaker 2: season for a week and a half, have those games
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Speaker 2: go on, and have the season resume, and you wouldn't
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Speaker 2: have to be worried about athletes who are not yet
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Speaker 2: fully physically developed, because it's still just spring training wrecking
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Speaker 2: themselves for the rest of the year. Admit it. This
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Speaker 2: is a good idea, isn't it.
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Speaker 1: It?
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Speaker 2: Actually? Yeah, well see you seem surprised. Of course, it's
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Speaker 2: a good idea. It's my idea. There is a very
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