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Gordie Chiesa(@GChiesaOhMy) on State of CBB, NBA Draft Prospects, End-of-Year Awards + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show.
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Speaker 2: We're lucky enough to have Gordy Chase in studio with
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Speaker 2: us today, and he might be.
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Speaker 1: Driving around in your car going, wait, it's it's Wednesday.
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Speaker 2: That's right, Thursday, you tell women's basketball Big twelve Women's
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Speaker 2: Tournament underway.
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Speaker 1: So.
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Speaker 2: Utah will be playing the winner of BYU and Houston, who.
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Speaker 1: Tip off just a little bit later today.
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Speaker 2: We're gonna be talking with Gavin Peterson, by the way,
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Speaker 2: ahead of his Big twelve matchup. They doesn't know who
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Speaker 2: he's gonna play yet, so that means my show tomorrow
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Speaker 2: goes until twelve fifteen. Twelve fifteen Pregame with Tyson Ewing
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Speaker 2: and Company starts right here on your home with the
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Speaker 2: UTSPN seven hundred and ninety two ONEFM, And because of that,
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Speaker 2: we can't I'm not gonna go a week during basketball
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Speaker 2: season only chatting with Gordia Chayza for like ten minutes.
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Speaker 2: So he was kind of enough to come in studio
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Speaker 2: with us today, brought to you by a Laddin Industries,
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Speaker 2: and we're happy to have him.
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Speaker 3: Gordy, how are you showing? I'm doing well? Thank you?
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Speaker 2: You were listening to me rant about that crazy stat
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Speaker 2: we pulled out. Twenty two players are finishing their college
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Speaker 2: basketball careers the same place they started. That's in Power
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Speaker 2: five basketball, that's in major conference basketball. The number is
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Speaker 2: much lower than I ever thought it was. I could
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Speaker 2: have done the work myself and figured it out, but
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Speaker 2: I didn't because I'm lazy.
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Speaker 1: But you know, it's.
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Speaker 2: It's a drastic comparison to where we were at five
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Speaker 2: years ago in college troops, ten years ago in college troops,
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Speaker 2: college hoops, it'd be like, hey, there's twenty two players
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Speaker 2: who didn't finish out the same place they started.
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Speaker 1: And now that's totally flipped on its head very much.
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Speaker 3: It's troubling, and that's the new NCAA, and that's the
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Speaker 3: new UH. As far as with the nil money people
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Speaker 3: transferring all the time, also, there's no more as far
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Speaker 3: as showing building up a culture. It's almost like HIA
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Speaker 3: team almost like changes. So does you know the expression, well,
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Speaker 3: our DNA is based on this and with all those
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Speaker 3: guys leaving all the time, know, almost like senior leadership,
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Speaker 3: which means that basically the head coach of that university
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Speaker 3: is also the head coach and the team captain because
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Speaker 3: there's nobody there as a senior or a junior. Been
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Speaker 3: a program for two, three, four years, that tells the
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Speaker 3: younger players this is how we do things, and that's troubling.
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Speaker 2: Also, it's funny because I mean we Kyle Whittingham talked
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Speaker 2: about this at nauseum for the last two or three years,
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Speaker 2: and we were talking about a football team that had
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Speaker 2: basically a fifty to fifty split, right.
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Speaker 1: Half the bodies on that roster were new every year.
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Speaker 2: Now, some other places they brought in as many as
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Speaker 2: seventy seventy five new players. For Utah, it was like
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Speaker 2: slightly less than fifty to fifty in most years. And
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Speaker 2: even in that case where you have fifty guys that
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Speaker 2: were there last year and probably twenty or thirty that
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Speaker 2: have been there for multiple years, he talked about how
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Speaker 2: difficult it is to establis publish a culture, especially for
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Speaker 2: a program where culture really was everything right. It's not
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Speaker 2: we didn't get the most talented guys out of high school,
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Speaker 2: it's not we're paying the most, it's we do things
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Speaker 2: a certain way and lamented the fact like it's harder
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Speaker 2: and harder to to integrate these new guys because there's
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Speaker 2: fewer old guys to tell them this is how we
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Speaker 2: do things in college basketball. That's again, that was with
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Speaker 2: twenty to fifty guys who did know. Now we're talking
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Speaker 2: about teams in the Big Twelve, the Big Ten, the ACC,
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Speaker 2: the Big East, the SEC who don't have even one
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Speaker 2: of those guys. So culture is that is team culture
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Speaker 2: Now just like a made up catchphrase that doesn't apply
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Speaker 2: in college hoops.
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Speaker 3: It applies not as dramatically it once did. So example,
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Speaker 3: as you're talking right now, thinking about a school that's
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Speaker 3: not in the Power of five, but they could be
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Speaker 3: national champions almost every year they contend that's Gonzaga. So
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Speaker 3: Gonzaga teams like that that they're not because they don't
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Speaker 3: have football. It's the Big East though, But Big East
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Speaker 3: is as far as a major basketball conference is that
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Speaker 3: Gonzaga types schools and the University, Dayton schools, Saint Louis University,
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Speaker 3: schools like that that can still build up a culture.
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Speaker 3: And again for the listeners right now, what's a culture,
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Speaker 3: It's this It's this body as a unison of the
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Speaker 3: players that do all the little intangibles, the attention to detail,
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Speaker 3: and they do it from a team standpoint, and as
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Speaker 3: always in the culture, what you want to do is
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Speaker 3: have individual talents stand out, but within the within the
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Speaker 3: framework of a of a of a team unity, and
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Speaker 3: that's where it gets so interesting, and that's how those
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Speaker 3: teams usually win close games. Showing the better your culture is,
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Speaker 3: the more close games you're successful. And as in any sport,
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Speaker 3: so again in football, showing the pre snap penalties where
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Speaker 3: you're you're in the you're in the red zone. So
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Speaker 3: suddenly the lesser teams are discipline. There's always penalties. In basketball,
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Speaker 3: you get you get early foul trouble because you have
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Speaker 3: no technique as far as guarding somebody, so suddenly people
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Speaker 3: make passive moves and you're still fouling them. And these
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Speaker 3: are all things that the teams that have culture, and
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Speaker 3: culture is also another word to be that the high
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Speaker 3: level of character, and that's why those teams are successful
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Speaker 3: and most times they overachieve. So the questions always is
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Speaker 3: how can we go and get back to that the
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Speaker 3: nil would be here is here forever, that's the first premise.
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Speaker 3: But how can they make some adjustments to the rules
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Speaker 3: that they have less transferring and more people going to
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Speaker 3: school for the right reasons, and that's why to be educated. Again,
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Speaker 3: I'm not naive, Sean, I am absolutely not. But you
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Speaker 3: go to college to be educated. That's what That's what
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Speaker 3: he called showing higher education. That's the reason why.
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Speaker 2: A good text came in on the text line eight
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Speaker 2: seven seven three five three zero seven hundred Debt. I
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Speaker 2: think does a good job of encaping what I was
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Speaker 2: talking about and what I wanted to ask you about
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Speaker 2: with respect to how professional teams, professional franchises, and the
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Speaker 2: leagues themselves are going to handle this trend in college
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Speaker 2: sports twenty four to ninety two says it's true that
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Speaker 2: as an adult you can go work at different places
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Speaker 2: wherever you want, but there can be consequences for that too.
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Speaker 2: As a hiring manager, when I see somebody that job
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Speaker 2: hops year after year after year, I don't always call
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Speaker 2: them for an interview because I figure they have no loyalty,
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Speaker 2: no sense of commitment, and why would I want to
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Speaker 2: employ them.
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Speaker 1: For a short time.
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Speaker 2: Now in the NBA and in the NFL, we're talking
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Speaker 2: about drafting people, not interviewing them, but there is an
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Speaker 2: interview portion to that as well, and a lot of
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Speaker 2: it is just like, hey, how talented, are you, especially
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Speaker 2: when we're talking about the elite elite, the very very
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Speaker 2: top guys.
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Speaker 1: So this in the.
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Speaker 2: NFL draft probably applies more to like the third round
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Speaker 2: and down picks that it does to the first round talents.
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Speaker 1: And you'd have to tell me where that line is
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Speaker 1: in the NBA.
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Speaker 2: But pro franchises have to have some thoughts on this,
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Speaker 2: on this trend, on the guy who played at four
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Speaker 2: schools in four years or five schools in six years
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Speaker 2: or whatever. And it's not something that I think the
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Speaker 2: grown ups are talking about to these kids who have
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Speaker 2: realistic hopes to play pro sports like cool Man, awesome,
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Speaker 2: that's wonderful, and I'm glad you're getting money in college too.
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Speaker 2: But the New England Patriots aren't calling you if you
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Speaker 2: play at five different schools, or the Boston Celtics don't
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Speaker 2: want someone who bounced around every single year. Maybe they do,
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Speaker 2: though maybe these franchises don't care. You tell me where
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Speaker 2: the NBA sits at least, no, they care absolutely. The
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Speaker 2: better teams that usually win or highly competitive. They base
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Speaker 2: a lot of things. One, it's always talent and the
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Speaker 2: NBA and the NFL talent prevails. So within that talent,
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Speaker 2: though you have to have an element of character and
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Speaker 2: an understanding about teamwork and understanding about sometimes sacrificing your
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Speaker 2: individual ability for the betterment of the team. And once
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Speaker 2: you realize that there's something larger than myself as an
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Speaker 2: elite athlete, that's when the main guys drive winning because
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Speaker 2: then the lesser players in the group they see that
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Speaker 2: the talented scorers are trying to do all the little
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Speaker 2: things that make teams win. And so it's one character
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Speaker 2: as far as it's two his character and one is talent.
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Speaker 2: Now drafting somebody that's a factor. So Sean, you said
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Speaker 2: in the NFL the third round picks, Now it's suddenly
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Speaker 2: it's a little bit lesser talent and more character, and
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Speaker 2: be specific as far as a position, as far as
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Speaker 2: the need and basketball just generally speaking, most times it's
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Speaker 2: the twentieth pick and down, meaning up to twenty twenty one.
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Speaker 2: So the line is basically visible at twenty and above.
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Speaker 2: That's when you think think about more. A guy's more
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Speaker 2: of a system player that we could put on a
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Speaker 2: system as a defensive minded a wingman or a willing screen,
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Speaker 2: a high intensity rebounder for our second unit.
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Speaker 3: So twenty and above. That would be it.
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Speaker 2: We were talking about that with the the NFL scouting
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Speaker 2: combine that just finished this past weekend, where like, you know,
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Speaker 2: you've got Spencer Fano from the University of Utah, who's
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Speaker 2: he's in that We're just going to draft the talent
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Speaker 2: right here, and thankfully for whoever gets him.
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Speaker 1: He's also a super high character guy.
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Speaker 2: He loves the game of football, and I know teams
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Speaker 2: are looking for that. When you get down where his
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Speaker 2: teammate Caleb Lomu is projected to go late first round,
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Speaker 2: whatever fit might feel a little bit more important, and
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Speaker 2: we're talking about system fit, we're talking about scheme fit,
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Speaker 2: but the character fit further down that draft, I think
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Speaker 2: becomes something that teams have to look at because you're
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Speaker 2: not an outlier anymore with your physical traits. Right, If
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Speaker 2: I were an NFL GM, I'm not pretending I'm above this.
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Speaker 2: If I were an NFLGM and the guy that ran
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Speaker 2: four two five but I thought was maybe gonna take
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Speaker 2: some work for on a personality front, I would.
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Speaker 1: Do the same thing the NFL does.
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Speaker 2: I would draft that guy be like, I'll get my guys,
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Speaker 2: I'll get my veterans I'll get my coaches to get
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Speaker 2: in touch with this kid and to figure out what
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Speaker 2: he actually needs to where he's gonna love the game
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Speaker 2: of football. So I understand why the disconnect happens. But man,
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Speaker 2: if you're not one of those guys, and we're talking
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Speaker 2: about a college hoop stat where twenty two players finished
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Speaker 2: the same school they started at, which means hundreds and
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Speaker 2: hundreds of them, we're kind of bouncing around and doing
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Speaker 2: their thing and me first, you got to be really,
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Speaker 2: really really talented for a pro team to allow you
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Speaker 2: to have that me first mentality.
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Speaker 3: Yes, So right now, Showan's also alluding to this year's
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty sixth drift and the person's name is Darren
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Speaker 3: Peterson University of Kansas meaning KU, and that he's he's
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Speaker 3: an ultra talented player. Absolutely, he's in the score probably
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Speaker 3: twenty points per game in the NBA. Once he enters
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Speaker 3: the league. The question is on what team. And there's
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Speaker 3: some issues right now as far as his issue as
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Speaker 3: far as sitting out and not playing. Is it because
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Speaker 3: he's actually hurt? Is it because of other issues? So
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Speaker 3: that's why teams will do, including the Jazz, they will
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Speaker 3: do absolutely incredible intel about him and make a value
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Speaker 3: judgment as far as taking him. But even if the
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Speaker 3: intel is a little bit shaky as far as well,
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Speaker 3: he's not a type of guy, he'll be drafted either one,
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Speaker 3: two or three. So because his talent level supersedes anything,
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Speaker 3: and then you are hopeful being around other people with
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Speaker 3: character that as the maturity index kicks in at age
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Speaker 3: twenty one, twenty three, twenty four, and that there's very
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Speaker 3: little f at all colladal damage to the internal group
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Speaker 3: that the talent level we'll submit so suddenly emerge with
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Speaker 3: also in cohesion with the maturity equals wide an elite player.
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Speaker 2: I have one more question on this that I'm going
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Speaker 2: to save until after we take a quick break. Here,
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Speaker 2: Gordy's with us. We got Gordia Jays Inn Studio with
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Speaker 2: us right now here on ESPN seven hundred ninety to
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Speaker 2: twenty FM. Adrian Denny's going to join us for some
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Speaker 2: between the pipes coming off of Mammoth Win last night
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Speaker 2: on the road. That's at one Gavin Peterson, Utah women's
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Speaker 2: basketball coach at one thirty.
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Speaker 1: That's what you got for the rest of the show.
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Speaker 2: So we were just talking about the potential disconnect that
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Speaker 2: happens with these transfer these chronic transferring athletes and the
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Speaker 2: leadership in the front office of a team as the NBA,
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Speaker 2: and we were also throwing the NFL in there, trying
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Speaker 2: to evaluate things that are you know, they don't show.
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Speaker 1: Up on the measurables.
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Speaker 2: You can't you can't time somebody's loyalty, right, How good
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Speaker 2: of a teammate is that, Well, you're going to try
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Speaker 2: to assess that in interviews.
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Speaker 1: You to talk to his former coaches in the.
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Speaker 2: Modern area, You got to talk to four or five
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Speaker 2: different guys to get that sense.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: My question for you in the NBA's obviously it's a
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Speaker 2: very young man's league, and there's plenty of international players
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Speaker 2: as well, But talking about the pipeline from NCAA basketball
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Speaker 2: to NBA basketball, how big of a disconnect is there
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Speaker 2: between the old players, the older generation player, the guys
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Speaker 2: who are in their late twenties and early thirties who
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Speaker 2: never lived in this system if they did go to college,
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Speaker 2: they never lived in this system, and the young guys
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Speaker 2: that are coming in. Because if you're a Lebron James,
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Speaker 2: and he's obviously the elder statesman of the league as
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Speaker 2: a whole, and certainly his own team. If you're a
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Speaker 2: Lebron James, you never did the college thing at all.
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Speaker 2: You certainly didn't transfer around all over the place. Now,
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Speaker 2: he had his own conversations in his NBA career about
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Speaker 2: loyalty because of his decision to go to Miami and
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Speaker 2: then he came back to Cleveland and all that stuff.
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Speaker 2: But not just him, Steph Whoever, these guys that are
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Speaker 2: getting a little bit longer in the tooth in the NBA,
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Speaker 2: how big of a disconnect is there Once these young guys,
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Speaker 2: these me first guys get to a locker room in
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Speaker 2: the NBA.
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Speaker 3: A whole bunch. And the reason why is their generational laps.
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Speaker 3: To think about, say, Kevin Durant, Steph Curry, Lebron James,
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Speaker 3: Lebron's forty one, Steph is thirty seven, kd is thirty
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Speaker 3: eight years old. And so these guys either played in
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Speaker 3: college Lebron did not. And now there's roughly minimum a
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Speaker 3: ten year difference as far as a group and more
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Speaker 3: importantly life experiences. That's both on the court, on the
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Speaker 3: football field, on the baseball diamond versus the young fellas
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Speaker 3: that are now on their team, and so like anything else,
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Speaker 3: that the older guys have to be able to connect
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Speaker 3: with the younger guys, and the younger guys have to
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Speaker 3: be willing to listen. And I don't mean like idolize
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Speaker 3: the old guys, because growing up that was so and
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Speaker 3: so with say sports hero, or I'm trying to beat
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Speaker 3: him out a position, and that I'm going to take
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Speaker 3: over his spot on the team, et cetera, where it
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Speaker 3: could be some sort of rivalry. I'm talking about just
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Speaker 3: healthy in the locker room, as far as you respect
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Speaker 3: your teammates and that you try to communicate and so
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Speaker 3: much as what it's just listening to people what they're saying,
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Speaker 3: and then you assess if they think that they're right
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Speaker 3: or wrong, or if you're a position of a leadership,
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Speaker 3: which most veteran players do, that they're going to guide
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Speaker 3: the younger fellas about this is how we do it
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Speaker 3: here on a winning team, and that's the catchword winning team.
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Speaker 3: On lesser teams, Sewan. Unfortunately, the younger guys have way
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Speaker 3: too much of a voice and that they influence everyone
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Speaker 3: else and most most of the times they really are
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Speaker 3: ill advised themselves how this whole thing works and then
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Speaker 3: then that's what happens when you're a young fellow and
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Speaker 3: your offensive mind it and for some reason your teammates
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Speaker 3: the playoffs. You get to the playoff situation and you
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Speaker 3: can't believe that suddenly, wait a second, this is different
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Speaker 3: than the regular season, and you struggle because you weren't
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Speaker 3: ready mentally physically to play. Even though the veteran players
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Speaker 3: said to you that this is a whole different thing,
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Speaker 3: you weren't listening. That's what shots I called invisible imus shun.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll see. I've born those a couple of times.
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Speaker 3: So a lot of times. Young people. Again, I'm painting
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Speaker 3: the portrait right now with one broad stroke. They yes,
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Speaker 3: they're saying yes, nodding their head verbally visually. However, you
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Speaker 3: know they're not really listening invisible imofs.
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Speaker 2: Okay, we were talking about this stuff off air, and
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Speaker 2: I was expressing my my shock that the number of
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Speaker 2: transfer players you.
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Speaker 3: Mean, your rent was so yes, was so high.
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Speaker 2: Okay, and then you said, well, that's why we have
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Speaker 2: this with one particular draft year in the NBA as well,
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Speaker 2: you highlighted the two twenty eighteen draft as a class
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Speaker 2: that doesn't have a lot of continuity for the guys
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Speaker 2: that are now in their physical athletic primes, they're not
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Speaker 2: where they started in the NBA.
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Speaker 3: Correct, so the eighteen draft, so this player is roughly
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Speaker 3: right now or between twenty six and twenty eight years young,
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Speaker 3: including guys like luk At dantege Trey, young players like
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Speaker 3: that Jaron Jackson jazz player right now. So that's those
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Speaker 3: are the guys like that. So at of sixty guys
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Speaker 3: that were drafted in June twenty eighteen, only one player
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Speaker 3: remains on the original team that drafted them, and that
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Speaker 3: is Mitchell Robinson of the New York Knicks, who's a
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Speaker 3: big guy as a hustle player to his credit, and
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Speaker 3: he just runs the floor and tries to get stick
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Speaker 3: back rebounds, as a willing screener and a law pass option.
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Speaker 3: So the other fifty nine players are either on different
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Speaker 3: teams out of the NBA or playing in Europe. So
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Speaker 3: that's what happens as far as attrition, is that those
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Speaker 3: high draft picks those original teams may be signing for
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Speaker 3: the first contract as far as the extension, but in
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Speaker 3: the second one they did not. And that just shows
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Speaker 3: you that character does matter. It does even though talent
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Speaker 3: prevails the intangibles. All of us in sports we understand
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Speaker 3: that it's not besides the talent. You have to have
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Speaker 3: these little things that every good team does and players do.
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Speaker 3: Like for example, we'll say shown in football, all right,
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Speaker 3: and you're a football person to the extraordinary, all right, Sewan.
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Speaker 3: Sometimes when the star running back stays in block coverage
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Speaker 3: and they want blocked for the quarterback for the team,
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Speaker 3: it's uplifting. I'm not saying every player. I'm not saying that,
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Speaker 3: but every once in a while, right, and that shows
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Speaker 3: everyone else that that the star running back he's one
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Speaker 3: of us. In basketball, the ultimate is when the star
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Speaker 3: player is willing to take a charge consistently when there's
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Speaker 3: three against one in transition and he's back pending on
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Speaker 3: defense and he steps up to the out of control
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Speaker 3: driver and he might get bodily harmed. He steps in
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Speaker 3: for a charge, and the whole team says, wait a second,
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Speaker 3: if our guy is averaging twenty nine points a game,
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Speaker 3: he can do it, soilk and I, well, I'm averaging
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Speaker 3: only eleven points a game. If he can do it,
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Speaker 3: so can I. And that's what that's part of team building, chemistry, etc.
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Speaker 3: These are all the intangibles that the winning teams have
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Speaker 3: just described. For example, in the present tense, that's the thunder.
19:47
Speaker 3: Those guys. All those guys play intangibles. And yesteryear, that
19:51
Speaker 3: was the Jazz for twenty years, when the Jazz made
19:53
Speaker 3: the playoffs for twenty straight years in a row, which
19:57
Speaker 3: is hard to do, and they did it. And then
20:00
Speaker 3: also let's give a shout out to also to what
20:03
Speaker 3: a Jazz friendly rival in a great way, the San
20:06
Speaker 3: Antonio Spurs. They've done it for thirty years, those guys,
20:10
Speaker 3: and that's why those teams usually win. And when Michael
20:12
Speaker 3: Jordan with the Bulls when he was there and Scotti
20:15
Speaker 3: Pitpen sean, you can just watch when the Bulls played,
20:20
Speaker 3: remembering yesteryear when Scotti Pittpen would step in for a
20:23
Speaker 3: charge against cal Malone in a playoff games and take
20:27
Speaker 3: it on the chest against Carl where it calls like
20:30
Speaker 3: a locomotive coming down in transition and Pittman would step in.
20:34
Speaker 3: That's why teams win overchieve or some teams win championships.
20:39
Speaker 2: So I want to highlight the players in that twenty
20:42
Speaker 2: eighteen draft just so that we can So you already
20:45
Speaker 2: mentioned this again, but it was all Fair the number
20:47
Speaker 2: one overall pick in that twenty eighteen draft. Again, only
20:50
Speaker 2: one of these guys drafted in the first or second
20:52
Speaker 2: round is still with the franchise they started with. In
20:55
Speaker 2: the NBA, DeAndre Ayton was the number one overall pick.
20:58
Speaker 2: Then it was Badley Luca went number three. Now obviously
21:05
Speaker 2: that changed last year. So and then Jared Jackson Jr.
21:09
Speaker 2: He was the fourth overall pick, so until earlier this
21:13
Speaker 2: year he was with his same team. That changed. Just
21:16
Speaker 2: now Trey Young, same thing. He was number five pick
21:20
Speaker 2: going to Atlanta. And then you got you a bunch
21:23
Speaker 2: of people who are all in different spots. But this
21:26
Speaker 2: is the Colin Sexton draft, this is the SGA draft.
21:30
Speaker 2: This is when Michael Porter Junior came into the league.
21:32
Speaker 2: Dante DiVincenzo. There's some really good players here, and not
21:36
Speaker 2: one of them, well, just one of them is still
21:39
Speaker 2: with the same team that they started with.
21:44
Speaker 3: It tells the story Sean about character and about fitting
21:50
Speaker 3: in being part of a winning system. Or I'm a
21:55
Speaker 3: star player and I can help the system by the
21:59
Speaker 3: way I play, But how I master the intangibles of
22:03
Speaker 3: all the little things. And that's why it's so important
22:07
Speaker 3: that you draft people one absolutely based on talent level,
22:11
Speaker 3: and two if they have some level of character and
22:14
Speaker 3: that they're willing to sacrifice just tempest center of the
22:19
Speaker 3: individuality for the betterment of the team. Usually speaking Sean,
22:23
Speaker 3: those guys are scorers. So I always tell us the
22:26
Speaker 3: scorers is that we want you to score the ball,
22:29
Speaker 3: actually do best, but all we ask of you is
22:32
Speaker 3: to do it when you're out of team rhythm. So example,
22:36
Speaker 3: when they're if you just come down and just fire
22:38
Speaker 3: a jump shot because you're the star player and you
22:40
Speaker 3: feel like it, that means that four other players on
22:43
Speaker 3: your team on the floor at that time, there being
22:46
Speaker 3: highly paid spectators, they're just watching. Oh yeah, they might
22:49
Speaker 3: crash the boards and try to get an offensive rebound,
22:51
Speaker 3: but they're generally speaking, they're flat footed and they're not
22:54
Speaker 3: playing to the athletic or skill strength. So we tell
22:58
Speaker 3: the star player is that do the exact same shot,
23:01
Speaker 3: but at a team rhythm. First screen, first cut ball
23:04
Speaker 3: goes from one side to the second side to the
23:06
Speaker 3: third side. That's when you're any sport, you want to
23:09
Speaker 3: be able to operate in space, and that's when a
23:12
Speaker 3: guy can make go one. We call that organized one
23:14
Speaker 3: on one where we encourage you to do that so
23:17
Speaker 3: that everyone else touched that ball at least some of
23:20
Speaker 3: the time of the possessions, and that our rebounders can
23:23
Speaker 3: carve out space and we can balance the floor defensively.
23:26
Speaker 3: It sounds so simple, but showing it gets cloudy and interpretation.
23:32
Speaker 2: Gordy's hanging out with us for another half hour. The
23:36
Speaker 2: Jazz pick of twenty eighteen. By the way, in the
23:39
Speaker 2: first round, Grayson Allen no longer with Utah Jazz.
23:42
Speaker 1: Obviously still in the league.
23:44
Speaker 2: Though the hot launch is usually here, right, we have
23:47
Speaker 2: a slight delay on the hot Lunch, not because of
23:49
Speaker 2: Burger Fusion, but because our guy DJ got stuck in traffic.
23:52
Speaker 2: But listen to this. This is a high honor for me. Burgerfusion,
23:56
Speaker 2: that trolley Square, incredible menu. Everything I have tried on
24:00
Speaker 2: the menu so far has been excellent, even things that
24:02
Speaker 2: I wouldn't probably order myself, because I'm going with Like,
24:06
Speaker 2: you know, they have the peanut butter and jelly burger,
24:08
Speaker 2: I'm going with that, right, the roasted garlic parmesan burger
24:11
Speaker 2: that they brought yesterday, that's the burger of the week.
24:14
Speaker 2: I'm hoping that goes on the menu permanently. These mozzarella
24:18
Speaker 2: squares and the Havardi fried pickles. Everything has been excellent,
24:22
Speaker 2: tallow fried homemade fries and chips. I've loved it all,
24:26
Speaker 2: and Mike is kind enough. I'm just being told this.
24:31
Speaker 1: Today.
24:32
Speaker 2: The special is something that apparently I have a vote
24:35
Speaker 2: on whether or not it goes permanently on the Burger
24:38
Speaker 2: Fusion menu.
24:39
Speaker 1: And it's not a burger.
24:40
Speaker 2: It's a hot dog, a burnt and all beef brisket
24:44
Speaker 2: sausage served on a bun like a hot dog, with
24:48
Speaker 2: all the fixins, the toppins, and.
24:52
Speaker 1: Some more homemade fries.
24:53
Speaker 2: So that's what's headed here for the hot lunch I
24:55
Speaker 2: just wanted to make. I'm gonna talk about it when
24:57
Speaker 2: it gets here too. But the hot Lunch is the
25:01
Speaker 2: end of our number one, and the hot Lunch from
25:03
Speaker 2: Burger Fusion sounds like it's going to be a mouthwatering,
25:07
Speaker 2: delectable treat. And Gordy is always the best kind of
25:11
Speaker 2: guest because we offer him not just a courtesy offer.
25:14
Speaker 2: We always offer him, hey, would you like to share this?
25:16
Speaker 2: And every time he says no, I don't want to.
25:18
Speaker 2: I don't want to steal your food.
25:19
Speaker 3: That's exactly right, Sean. I want to be part of
25:21
Speaker 3: you run your parade. I don't you know, but I'm
25:25
Speaker 3: envious dog the second I'm I'm I'm really I'm getting
25:29
Speaker 3: shakes right now thinking about this food, how good it is.
25:32
Speaker 2: It's funny because, uh, we're so selfish with our food
25:36
Speaker 2: in the United States of America. It's like it's like
25:38
Speaker 2: insulting in other countries. If if someone who's hosting you
25:41
Speaker 2: offers you food and you say no, but around here
25:45
Speaker 2: we're glad.
25:47
Speaker 1: Oh, Gordy, would you like to try some of this lasagna?
25:49
Speaker 1: Would you like to try this burger? Would you like
25:50
Speaker 1: to try some of these fries? I'm offering it.
25:53
Speaker 2: I'm secretly hoping he's gonna say no, and he does
25:55
Speaker 2: every single time. Gordichiez is still here with us, thankfully
26:00
Speaker 2: because we got some postseason awards prognostication to talk about.
26:04
Speaker 1: I also want to catch you with this, blindside you
26:07
Speaker 1: with this.
26:07
Speaker 2: I saw this stat The bottom teams in the NBA
26:11
Speaker 2: right now are collectively on all the tanking teams are
26:14
Speaker 2: on a an zero to forty losing streak right now,
26:19
Speaker 2: obviously by design, but everyone that's racing to the bottom
26:23
Speaker 2: is racing there pretty effectively. The bottom teams in the
26:26
Speaker 2: NBA haven't won a game in forty games.
26:29
Speaker 3: Pretty wild, yes it is. And as to that, so
26:33
Speaker 3: right now as we speak, just some of the teams
26:36
Speaker 3: nets have lost nine games in a row, just six Wizards,
26:40
Speaker 3: six Paces, six Maps four and the Kings have And
26:45
Speaker 3: the Kings have lost so many games, but they they
26:49
Speaker 3: want they won a game the other day and to
26:51
Speaker 3: stop their their fifteen game losing streak. So these teams,
26:56
Speaker 3: the players on the court, they do want to win,
26:58
Speaker 3: so they are playing hards. The guys actually playing the
27:00
Speaker 3: game are playing hard and trying to win, but it's
27:04
Speaker 3: not really the first string guys. And that's what makes
27:06
Speaker 3: it so interesting. So for example, the Jazz played tonight
27:10
Speaker 3: in seventy six, is they're banged up. They lost by
27:12
Speaker 3: forty points last night to the Spurs, so that's yet
27:15
Speaker 3: in their world, that was last night. They played at
27:17
Speaker 3: Jazz tonight. Then the Jazz played Thursday night against the Wizards.
27:21
Speaker 3: So both teams are on a losing streak with have
27:24
Speaker 3: lost six in a row. So Thursday night someone has
27:27
Speaker 3: to win that game. So just by a fact, of
27:30
Speaker 3: the matter, and so we'll find out who's going to be.
27:34
Speaker 2: All Right, let's get into this conversation about the postseason awards,
27:37
Speaker 2: and we kind of we touched on it last week
27:39
Speaker 2: talking about how close really really good players, the best
27:42
Speaker 2: players in the league, some of them were to being
27:45
Speaker 2: ineligible because of the minimum games rule, as you have
27:48
Speaker 2: to play sixty five games in order to qualify for
27:51
Speaker 2: these Defensive Player of the Year all NBA MVP, all
27:55
Speaker 2: these things, and that changes the race a little bit.
27:58
Speaker 1: You have some ideas, yeah, very much.
28:00
Speaker 3: So quickly he's the top six as far as the
28:03
Speaker 3: MVP race. And this is my opinion. All right, this
28:06
Speaker 3: is how I if I was voting this, how I
28:09
Speaker 3: would do that. Remember, winning is important, so that most
28:12
Speaker 3: times these guys that are gonna mention there are on
28:15
Speaker 3: really winning teams, and these guys drive the winning all right.
28:18
Speaker 3: Number six as far as MVP candidate in the league,
28:23
Speaker 3: Jalen Brown of the Celtics, Number five, Luca Dantage of
28:27
Speaker 3: the Lakers, Number four, Victor Wenbyamba of the Spurs, number three,
28:33
Speaker 3: Kate Cunningham of the Pistons, Number two, Nikolai Jokic of
28:39
Speaker 3: the Denver Nuggets, but he has right now sixteen games missed.
28:44
Speaker 3: He misses one more game, he'll be ineligible. And remember
28:47
Speaker 3: with Jokic, he's finished in the MVP batting either one
28:52
Speaker 3: or two. For the last five consecutive years, he's been
28:55
Speaker 3: one or two and number one this year. If I
28:59
Speaker 3: was voting, I would vote Scha Jiles Alexander who's the
29:02
Speaker 3: reigning m v P again for this year, to be
29:05
Speaker 3: to win its two times in a row. He missed
29:07
Speaker 3: eleven games. He can't miss more than six games this year.
29:11
Speaker 3: Let's move on to the next possible race, most Improved,
29:14
Speaker 3: which is really absolutely of fun award. To get the
29:18
Speaker 3: number number one right now would be Jalen Johnson of
29:23
Speaker 3: the Hawks. Number one. As far as him getting it
29:26
Speaker 3: behind its slight too is Danny Avdia of the of
29:30
Speaker 3: the Portland Trailblazers, number three, Austin Reeves number four, Keyante
29:35
Speaker 3: George of the of the Jazz number four, he's had
29:38
Speaker 3: a great season as far as playing number five, Jealen
29:41
Speaker 3: Durham of the Detroit Pistons and number six former jazz
29:46
Speaker 3: Man the Keil Walker Alexander so again the front runner.
29:51
Speaker 3: I would vote for Jellen Johnson of the Hawks to
29:53
Speaker 3: a tremendous game. Rookie of the Year, here we go,
29:57
Speaker 3: all right, Cooper Flagg, that guy's played very well for
30:01
Speaker 3: the Dallas Mavericks. However, I'm listen. Only four I'm listening
30:05
Speaker 3: right now. Only five players that are worthy. Number five
30:09
Speaker 3: to be Rookie of the voting would be Derek Queen
30:12
Speaker 3: of the Pelicans. Number four, Dylan Harper of the Spurs.
30:16
Speaker 3: Number three VJ. Edgecombe of the of the Philadelphia seventy sixers,
30:21
Speaker 3: who's not playing tonight versus the Jets. There's a side note.
30:24
Speaker 3: Number two Cooper flag number one, Kankinipple, his duke teammate.
30:30
Speaker 3: I would voteknkoineple like better than Cooper, I do as
30:34
Speaker 3: far as this award, as far as being the Rookie
30:37
Speaker 3: of the Year.
30:38
Speaker 2: All right, quickly, hold on real quick. What gives con
30:41
Speaker 2: the edge over Cooper? Because Cooper is the big headline
30:43
Speaker 2: name obviously, Yeah, and that was all the controversy in
30:47
Speaker 2: the whatever, Well maybe only controversytier in Salt Lake.
30:50
Speaker 1: But the point stands, well, why Con over Cooper?
30:54
Speaker 3: His team is winning right now? There are five hundred,
30:56
Speaker 3: which is absolutely it seems so modest but it's absolutely
31:00
Speaker 3: critical and con Kannipple, he's a tremendous player. He's at
31:04
Speaker 3: the record history of basketball the most three point shots
31:07
Speaker 3: in the rookie season. He's a knockdown shooter, and he
31:11
Speaker 3: showing he's the culture of the of the of the Hornets.
31:15
Speaker 3: It's so amazing. So we talked about you mentioned earlier
31:18
Speaker 3: in a different segment about the veterans creating the atmosphere.
31:22
Speaker 3: This guy as twenty year old rookie, he is really
31:27
Speaker 3: in the locker room. He's the maturity index presence helping
31:31
Speaker 3: his teammates. So I would go Hin number one and
31:34
Speaker 3: Cooper Flag who's also played tremendous for the Mavericks at
31:38
Speaker 3: number two had six Men of the Year. This again,
31:41
Speaker 3: this is the guy that comes in the game that
31:44
Speaker 3: is electric, that they that can score the ball and
31:47
Speaker 3: can also do so many things for his team. I'm
31:50
Speaker 3: saying that I'm gonna listen. Only five guys. Alex Caruso
31:55
Speaker 3: of the thunder at number five, number four, Isaiah Steward
32:04
Speaker 3: of the Pistons, number three, Jimi Hokez of the Miami Heat,
32:13
Speaker 3: number two, Nas Reed of the t Wolves, number one,
32:18
Speaker 3: Kelden Johnson of the Spurs, knockdown shooter off the bench.
32:24
Speaker 3: Coach of the year. Number five, Imi Yadoka. Number four
32:30
Speaker 3: Darko Rikotrovich from the Toronto Raptors do a tremendous job.
32:35
Speaker 3: Number three vastly underrated. He's on a star team. His
32:39
Speaker 3: team is banged up. He got it them right now
32:42
Speaker 3: to the second best record in the East. Joe Mozilla
32:45
Speaker 3: of the Boston Celtics. Number two Charles Lee of the Hornets,
32:50
Speaker 3: he's got them being highly competitive. And number one Mitch
32:53
Speaker 3: Johnson of the Spurs should be coach of the year.
32:56
Speaker 3: Quick side note, Lesia coach of the year was Kenny
32:59
Speaker 3: Atkinson of the Cleveland Cavaliers. Defensive Player of the Year.
33:06
Speaker 3: Right here we go. Besides blocking shots, also part of
33:10
Speaker 3: it is stealing the ball, running back on defense, being
33:15
Speaker 3: a talker, etc. Number six Evan Mobley, who last year
33:20
Speaker 3: was Defensive Player of the Year. But I'm saying that
33:23
Speaker 3: these guys below him have played even better than him.
33:27
Speaker 3: Number five I'm and Thompson of the Rockets. Steal the
33:31
Speaker 3: ball or can ball contain? Number four Dyson Daniels of
33:37
Speaker 3: the Hawks. Number three, one of the most underrated two
33:41
Speaker 3: way players in the NBA he plays for the Celtics,
33:44
Speaker 3: Derek White, number two for the thunder Chet Hungering and
33:51
Speaker 3: number two and the number one defensive player of the year.
33:54
Speaker 3: We all love him, Victor Wenbyamba because he can play.
33:57
Speaker 3: He changes every single shot in game than he can play.
34:01
Speaker 3: So these are the things that we talked about right now,
34:05
Speaker 3: and it could change, certainly, some of these things could change,
34:08
Speaker 3: and it's an honor for these people. Let's not forget.
34:12
Speaker 3: In jazz basketball a long time ago called him alone
34:15
Speaker 3: with two time MVP back in nineteen ninety seven and
34:18
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety nine. So yes, in jazz basketball, there was
34:22
Speaker 3: some of the league MVP. Now Chicago Bulls said, hey,
34:25
Speaker 3: you should have been Jordan, that Jordan could have made
34:27
Speaker 3: eight straight awards. As far as getting it, they gave
34:30
Speaker 3: it the call twice.
34:32
Speaker 1: And Rudy got you a couple of DPO ones.
34:34
Speaker 3: He did. Rudy Gobert absolutely three times Defensive Player of
34:37
Speaker 3: the Year with the Jazz they did, Yes, yeah, back
34:41
Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty nine. Yes, and Mark Eaton it gets
34:44
Speaker 3: hard to believe. One time he averaged five blocks per
34:47
Speaker 3: game wild yeah per game market and add to that,
34:50
Speaker 3: remember now they didn't keep Defensive Player of the Year
34:53
Speaker 3: until nineteen seventy three seventy four season. So again Bill
34:57
Speaker 3: Russell will chairman that group of people. No one knows
35:01
Speaker 3: how many how many wards those guys would have gotten.
35:04
Speaker 3: Remember Bill Russell. Trust when I say this, when people
35:09
Speaker 3: drive the lane it was almost impossible they guts shot
35:11
Speaker 3: up over him or Will Chamberlain almost.
35:14
Speaker 2: I'm anti using artificial intelligence of anti AI in sports,
35:20
Speaker 2: but here's one place where I would like to see
35:21
Speaker 2: it used. Go back, find every available piece of film
35:26
Speaker 2: you can on guys like Will and Bill Russell, and
35:30
Speaker 2: apply modern stat making to the games that they played.
35:33
Speaker 2: In modern stat taking, I should say, because obviously we
35:37
Speaker 2: track things now that they never had tracked. If we
35:39
Speaker 2: talked about this last week with the offensive rebounds versus
35:43
Speaker 2: defensive rebound, all these things that were not delineated back
35:47
Speaker 2: in their day, put on their tape, Let the computer
35:52
Speaker 2: watch it and say that was an offensive rebound, and
35:54
Speaker 2: tell us what their modern day stats would be.
35:57
Speaker 3: I like it, Okay, I really do. I think it's
35:59
Speaker 3: great shown there be some company out there will do that.
36:02
Speaker 3: So remember showing those those greeny white films you think
36:06
Speaker 3: about and the other day, I foolish, you know, Gordon,
36:09
Speaker 3: she is really foolish body. When you said to somebody
36:12
Speaker 3: the other day, I explained to him about about black
36:15
Speaker 3: and white television, you know, before color came in, and
36:19
Speaker 3: also back in the late eighties, you know, with the
36:21
Speaker 3: you know, the different things you would as far as
36:24
Speaker 3: how you take games and stuff versus obviously digital to
36:27
Speaker 3: say at least, yeah, it looked at me like I
36:29
Speaker 3: was a different planet an emphasise planet. I was some
36:33
Speaker 3: Pluto and there they live on Earth.
36:35
Speaker 2: Did you see the little argument that JJ Redick and
36:39
Speaker 2: Luke ahead on the breast of the day I did. Yeah,
36:41
Speaker 2: it got blown up. They think out of proportion. Reddick
36:44
Speaker 2: is saying this is relatively normal. They have a good relationship,
36:47
Speaker 2: et cetera. You know a lot more about this stuff
36:49
Speaker 2: than we did. What was your interpretation?
36:51
Speaker 3: Absolutely, that's perfectly normal in a context on the bench.
36:57
Speaker 3: Probably what happened was that in this and the scouting
37:00
Speaker 3: report they went over it was it ten times, it
37:03
Speaker 3: was a thousand times about doing a certain thing defensively,
37:06
Speaker 3: and probably Luca had abnesia five straight possessions during the game.
37:11
Speaker 1: Why does he always have defensive amnesia?
37:13
Speaker 3: Okay, I said, that's a different discussion, and the reason
37:16
Speaker 3: why is because he's a star player scoring the ball
37:19
Speaker 3: and he's absolutely great at it and he's past happy. However,
37:23
Speaker 3: to go deep in the playoffs, your star players have
37:26
Speaker 3: to be both sides of the ball, minimum in the
37:29
Speaker 3: fourth quarter where they got their position. Yeah, I can
37:32
Speaker 3: guard this guy myself. I need no help. So JJ,
37:35
Speaker 3: Reddick and Luca had some words on the sideline. Trust me,
37:39
Speaker 3: that happens often to both players and coaches. What you
37:44
Speaker 3: want to do is that you want to be able
37:46
Speaker 3: to go back to that player in a very calm
37:51
Speaker 3: voice and try to try to explain why you're so
37:55
Speaker 3: at that moment you were met at that player, and
37:58
Speaker 3: that we want you to try to work it out
38:01
Speaker 3: as far as that. So that doesn't linger on anything
38:04
Speaker 3: like that perfectly normal. Remember I've coached a lot of
38:06
Speaker 3: guys at a vauto. Absolutely that's part of the part
38:10
Speaker 3: of it. So again, your voice is choice how you
38:12
Speaker 3: say things to people on your team, whether it's in
38:15
Speaker 3: the heat of the battle, whether it's in a quiet setting,
38:17
Speaker 3: or whether it's in a group dynamics. But your voice
38:20
Speaker 3: is choice, and maybe JJ, at that moment he had
38:23
Speaker 3: to raise his voice to get the attention of the
38:25
Speaker 3: star player.
38:28
Speaker 2: Gordy, one of our listeners who's watching on the YouTube stream,
38:31
Speaker 2: wants us to compliment you on your outfit today.
38:34
Speaker 3: Oh, I like it, thank you, I thank you. This
38:37
Speaker 3: outfit is definitely New York where it's why the scoff.
38:43
Speaker 1: Get you got a very East Coast style to you.
38:45
Speaker 3: Still, I'm in New York. I'm a Jersey boy. I
38:48
Speaker 3: lived in Utah for the last thirty seven years. But
38:52
Speaker 3: I bet you think I have a New York accent. Sean,
38:54
Speaker 3: I bet you think that, and I do. I've never
38:57
Speaker 3: lost it. I know it's weird. I agree with you. No,
39:01
Speaker 3: I'm laughing at myself. Trust me, I love it though. No,
39:04
Speaker 3: trust me, I'm glad.
39:05
Speaker 2: I'm glad we have it because like if you, if
39:07
Speaker 2: you talk like the rest of us, Gorre, he would
39:09
Speaker 2: be a little less interesting to hear you speak.
39:11
Speaker 3: No, I mean a little bit showing, I say, sincerely,
39:14
Speaker 3: I'm not jazz game. People say to me, I go
39:17
Speaker 3: to the guy, I'll take one pretzel and a guy
39:19
Speaker 3: goes next to me. Hey, you're I know who you are.
39:21
Speaker 3: I know that voice. Yeah, I laughed.
39:23
Speaker 1: I go.
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Speaker 3: Hey, thanks a lot, thanks won to pretzel. Hey, hey,
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Speaker 3: hey want to pretzel?
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Speaker 1: There you go? Uh do you have a list today?
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Speaker 3: Yes? My list today? Remember they jazz played tonight in
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Speaker 3: the City of Brotherly Love, all right, meaning Philadelphia. This
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Speaker 3: is the greatest Philadelphia seventy six ers players, just twelve
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Speaker 3: and we'll go through this place relatively quickly. But here's
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Speaker 3: a history. In nineteen forty nine, this seventy sixers didn't exist.
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Speaker 3: The team was known as the Nationals and they played
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Speaker 3: in Syracuse, New York. In nineteen sixty three, they moved
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Speaker 3: from They moved from from phill from Sarah Riccuse to Philadelphia,
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Speaker 3: and they were rebranded as the seventy Sixers. And why
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Speaker 3: the seventy sixers, Shawn, is because it's after the signing
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Speaker 3: of the Declaration of Independence in seventeen seventy six. Thus
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Speaker 3: they need the team, the seventy six ers. The seventy
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Speaker 3: Sixers have won two titles, in nineteen sixty seven, in
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Speaker 3: nineteen eighty three, here we go, Top twelve. He played
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Speaker 3: Top twelve all time seventy six ers. He's playing tonight.
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Speaker 3: He's a young guy, He's got a great game. His
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Speaker 3: features in front of him, his potential Hall of Famer
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Speaker 3: eventually terres MAXI six with the season right now with
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Speaker 3: the seventy six Ers, six years with them, aged twenty five,
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Speaker 3: already two times All Star. Number eleven. Bobby Jones nineteen
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Speaker 3: eighty three champions, four time All Star, Hall of Fame
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Speaker 3: inductee twenty nineteen. His nickname was Secretary of Defense and
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Speaker 3: his shown one thing about him, Bobby Jones in a
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Speaker 3: whole Hall of Fame all defensive player, never received the
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Speaker 3: technical foul in his career. Never Number ten. Dolph Shase
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Speaker 3: nineteen seventy three, Hall of Famer, twelve time All Star.
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Speaker 3: He retired in nineteen sixty three. So for the young listeners,
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Speaker 3: do you like Pawgar's soul when he played in the NBA?
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Speaker 3: That was Dolph Shaves Number nine MVP twenty twenty three,
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Speaker 3: the ninth greatest ever seventy six er, future Hall of Famer,
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Speaker 3: ten year Korea with the seventy six Ers. Joe l embiid,
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Speaker 3: I know he's been hurt, including tonight, pays the numbers
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Speaker 3: for his career with the seventy sixers, average averaging twenty
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Speaker 3: seven points six points per game and ten point eight
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Speaker 3: rebounds for ten years. Number eight all times ten years. Again,
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Speaker 3: So again the narrative is that, oh, really he is
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Speaker 3: always hurt. You're right, I get it, you're right. But
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Speaker 3: when he's healthy, he's great. Number eight all times. Seventy
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Speaker 3: six er Mo Cheeks tremendous player leader, Hall of Fame
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Speaker 3: inductee twenty eighteen with the seventy sixers eleven seasons. He
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Speaker 3: was the defensive player and a playmaker. Number seven Hal
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Speaker 3: Greer nineteen eighty two, Hall of Famer with the seventy
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Speaker 3: six is fourteen years with them, he was voted in
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Speaker 3: the top fifty players of all time. All right, yet
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Speaker 3: in general degeneration, Hey do you like Devin Booker right now?
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Speaker 3: That was Hel Grea thirty five years ago. Number six
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Speaker 3: Billy Cunningham Hall of Famer nineteen ninety excuse me, nineteen
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Speaker 3: eighty six inductee with the seventy six ers ninth season.
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Speaker 3: He was an incredible twenty five points a game scorer
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Speaker 3: and rebounder over eleven a game. Nickname was shown was
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Speaker 3: he used to call him the Kangaroo Kid because he
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Speaker 3: could absolutely jump in traffic over people to get rebounds.
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Speaker 3: Number five we all know him. He's always on television
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Speaker 3: for the last twenty years. Hall of Famer two thousand
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Speaker 3: and six inductee Charles Barkley with the seventy six Ers
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Speaker 3: eight years. Number four, he just passed away recently within
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Speaker 3: the last year. Hall of Fame inductee in two thousand
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Speaker 3: and one. Moses Malone, one of the all time greatest
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Speaker 3: ever rebounders and scores in the NBA. Number three nickname
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Speaker 3: was Doctor j nineteen eighty three champions Hall of Famer
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Speaker 3: nineteen ninety three inductee with the seventy six Ers eleventh season,
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Speaker 3: absolutely beloved great all around player. The number two greatest
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Speaker 3: ever seventy six ers is nickname was the answer Alan
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Speaker 3: Iverson with the seventy Sixers twelve seasons. Hall of Fame
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Speaker 3: inductee in two thousand and sixteen. And you can make
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Speaker 3: a discussion Sean Pound for pound, one of the toughest
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Speaker 3: guys ever in the NBA at six foot one roughly
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Speaker 3: one hundred seventy five pounds and the number one player
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Speaker 3: in the history of the Philadelphia seventy six is. We
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Speaker 3: talked about him before just about a minute ago. Sean
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Speaker 3: and I. He changed the rules of the game because
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Speaker 3: no one could guard him as far as in the lane,
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Speaker 3: Wilt Chamberlain scorer, rebounder, passer, shop blocker. So Wilke's the
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Speaker 3: number one player in the history of the seventy six
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Speaker 3: is he won to cheat, went to championship in nineteen
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Speaker 3: sixty seven, and again some of his records will never
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Speaker 3: be broken. That's the all time greatest ever dozen seventy sixes.
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Speaker 2: Why is Wilt not more often included in the debate
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Speaker 2: about who the greatest NBA player ever was?
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Speaker 1: Is it just because we didn't get to see him.
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Speaker 2: Is it because the modern basketball fan didn't watch him
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Speaker 2: regularly and has no real understanding of how dominant he was.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's part of it. Also, is that you know
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Speaker 3: the expression David versus Goliath. Yeah, that's him whole Korea.
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Speaker 3: So everyone who used to gang up on him because
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Speaker 3: he was such a massive person. Again for the young listeners,
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Speaker 3: Wilt was seven foot one, two seventy five with the
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Speaker 3: waste of thirty four inches, So he's like unbelievable, and
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Speaker 3: he's he could run and jump. He ran track and
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Speaker 3: he jumped high jumped at Ku University, and he just
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Speaker 3: was he was ahead of his times. You know, I'll
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Speaker 3: call him the Jimmy Hendricks, a professional basketball ahead of
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Speaker 3: his times.
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Speaker 1: I liked that.
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Speaker 3: But again, Bill Russell was also ahead of his time.
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Speaker 3: But Bill Russell had other great teammates around him all
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Speaker 3: the time. Well, Wilt only had him some of the time.
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Speaker 3: And Bill Russell was six' nine about two forty wasn't
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Speaker 3: like built Like. Wilt, sure and, also, yeah part of.
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Speaker 3: It so that's part of. It and, again so it's
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Speaker 3: a great, debate and that's a wonderful thing to. Have
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Speaker 3: debate is good and a lot of times it's a generational.
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Speaker 3: BIAS i try to be objective totally about the players this.
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Speaker 3: Generation this generation of players are absolutely unbelievable talented and
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Speaker 3: other generations were. Also these guys are, good if not.
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Speaker 3: Pleasure thank, you so Thanks, sean peace out