Latest / Becker’s Payer Issues Podcast / HR1 Effects and How Organizations Can Prepare for Them
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- 0:00Hi, everyone. This is Lucas Voss with Becker's
- 0:02Healthcare. Thanks so much for tuning in to
- 0:04the Becker's Healthcare podcast series. So great to
- 0:07have you. Today, we're talking about h r
- 0:09one effects and how organizations
- 0:12can prepare
- 0:14for them. And joining me for today's discussion,
- 0:16so great to have him, is Trey Sutton.
- 0:17He's the CEO and cofounder of Sift. Well,
- 0:20Trey, thanks so much for being here today.
- 0:22Great to have you. Thanks for having me.
- 0:24Great to be with you. And for those
- 0:25that might not know you yet, at least,
- 0:28could you just share a little bit about
- 0:30yourself,
- 0:31your background, and CIFWell?
- 0:33Yeah. Of course. Yeah. So been in around
- 0:36health care on and off for twenty five
- 0:37years.
- 0:38You know, I come to the HR one
- 0:40conversation
- 0:42with a lot of, passion and and kind
- 0:44of interest in in the topic.
- 0:46I spent a few years as chief financial
- 0:48officer of Medicaid in North Carolina and then
- 0:51was also, CEO of a community health plan
- 0:53with about a million lives that mostly was
- 0:55Medicaid. And so, you know, as I look
- 0:57across what's happening right now from a regulatory
- 1:00perspective, it's pretty concerning, specifically the implications of
- 1:03HR one and folks losing coverage.
- 1:06At CifWell,
- 1:07the way to to kinda think about us
- 1:09for the listeners that are, managed care folks
- 1:13is we're almost like the best medical medical
- 1:15economic shop you can build, combined with some
- 1:18clinical operators all inside of a project management
- 1:20office. So we generally fall under the category
- 1:22of predictive analytics,
- 1:24but there's, the we really like to see
- 1:26it through. And in the context of HR
- 1:28one, you know, we're helping plans right now
- 1:30identify exactly who's gonna lose coverage and how
- 1:33to engage those individuals.
- 1:34Trey, so good to have you. Thanks for
- 1:36being here. I I wanna level set our
- 1:38conversation
- 1:39just a little bit for our listeners.
- 1:42The federal COVID nineteen public health emergency unwinding
- 1:45disenrolled roughly twenty
- 1:47five million people nationally
- 1:50with some of the procedural disenrollment
- 1:52rates right around that thirty percent mark,
- 1:56again, in hard hit states, which certainly differs.
- 1:59HR one brings now a different
- 2:02set of disruptions that I wanna talk to
- 2:04you about. Again, we talk about work requirements,
- 2:06six month redeterminations,
- 2:08immigrant eligibility
- 2:10restrictions. Right? That adds a whole another level
- 2:12of complications
- 2:13there. But, again, that administrative
- 2:16churn risk
- 2:17still seems familiar for a lot of organizations.
- 2:21Right now, what should health plans be carrying
- 2:24forward from the unwinding
- 2:26experience, and where does that analogy breakdown?
- 2:31Yeah. Of course. I mean, I you know,
- 2:33there there are a lot of similarities, particularly
- 2:35on the administrative, you know, part of redetermination.
- 2:38I think, you know, as I think about
- 2:40this in the context of the public health
- 2:41emergency online and few things come to mind.
- 2:44One is, you know, folks developed a lot
- 2:46of channel strategies to engage their members, make
- 2:49them aware of the risk of losing coverage
- 2:52when we were going through the public health
- 2:53emergency online. And so I think thinking about
- 2:56channel strategies to to connect with members, I
- 2:58think about,
- 2:59throughput, just like where are those members?
- 3:02Do I have the right sets of resources?
- 3:04Does the state have the right set resources
- 3:07to to manage that throughput or or additional
- 3:09volume
- 3:10as a function of six month redetermination.
- 3:13And then relationships,
- 3:14you know, we know that, a lot of
- 3:17individuals that are covered by Medicaid, there's a
- 3:19level of distrust deservedly so
- 3:22with the health care system overall, but they
- 3:24do tend to trust their, faith based organizations,
- 3:27their community based organizations. And so how do
- 3:30you think about leveraging those relationships that you
- 3:33established during the unwind and
- 3:35and and leverage those for communication purposes, building
- 3:38awareness
- 3:38importance of completing paperwork and all the rest
- 3:41of it as we as we enter it.
- 3:42So those would be the things that I
- 3:44would I would say carry forward.
- 3:46The, you know, the parts that are gonna
- 3:48be very different is, you know, this is
- 3:50almost like everything everywhere all at once. You
- 3:52know, it's not just redetermination.
- 3:55We've got, you know, further constraints going in
- 3:58around SNAP, utility assistance, housing assistance, cash benefit.
- 4:02And so this is only one piece of
- 4:04everything that's happening right now, and and it's
- 4:07pretty concerning. So,
- 4:08but I do think there's an opportunity for
- 4:10folks to get it organized and and execute.
- 4:12Yeah. I love that you mentioned the trust
- 4:14piece. And and depending on where you are,
- 4:16right, it just depends. It's the resources, the
- 4:19state resources. It's the community in and of
- 4:22itself.
- 4:23It's very individual down to, as you started
- 4:25your answer, the channel strategies. Right? It it
- 4:28just depends on
- 4:29where you are. Again, that impact is not
- 4:32uniform.
- 4:33It depends on who your members are, where
- 4:35they live, what we've just established. Right?
- 4:38What does it actually take to move from
- 4:40we know this is coming. Right? Okay. We
- 4:43have mandates that need to get taken care
- 4:45of to we know which specific members are
- 4:48at risk and how to actually then reach
- 4:51them.
- 4:52Yeah. I mean, what I'm gonna describe next
- 4:54sounds simple, but it's it's not simple. I
- 4:57I think two things, and then you gotta
- 4:58put them together. First is you gotta know
- 5:00your members at scale. And what I mean
- 5:02by that is,
- 5:04what what groups do they fall in? Medically
- 5:06fragile, medically exempt? Are they med are they
- 5:09Medicaid expansion population?
- 5:11Where are they? How do you connect with
- 5:13those individuals? What are the
- 5:15what are the communication channels? I mean, we're
- 5:17we're pulling forward information, like, where somebody's likely
- 5:20to see an advertisement. Is it in an
- 5:22airport? Is it at a discount warehouse store?
- 5:25What types of radio stations are they listening
- 5:27to? And so I think, again, it sounds
- 5:29simple,
- 5:30but get to know your members.
- 5:33Number two is get to know the new
- 5:34regs. And and what I mean by that
- 5:36is pulling HR one apart and understanding what
- 5:39that means at the local level for your
- 5:40individuals. And then what you gotta do is
- 5:42you gotta put those two puzzle pieces together.
- 5:44If you understand the rules and you understand
- 5:46your members,
- 5:50and then you can start to use channel
- 5:52strategies, including the community based organizations I talked
- 5:55about a a minute ago. But it's super
- 5:58important that you understand those two pieces and
- 6:00then fit it together.
- 6:01Yeah. And I wanna come back to
- 6:03the knowing your regs piece that you've just
- 6:06touched on because, again, we know that with
- 6:08six month redeterminations,
- 6:09they are going to be in effect January
- 6:122027.
- 6:13Work requirements are kicking in at December
- 6:152026.
- 6:16Right? So
- 6:17we know this is happening. It's coming,
- 6:20but that preparation window is really, really short
- 6:22when you're looking at those dates. For health
- 6:25plan leaders that are listening today, what are
- 6:27some of the most important things they should
- 6:29be doing right now
- 6:31and certainly in the next ninety days?
- 6:33And, again, what does this look like at
- 6:35scale? What does should or what should their
- 6:38readiness plan look like at this stage?
- 6:41Yeah. You know, when I think about good
- 6:43readiness at this stage, it it covers a
- 6:45lot of the things that that that I've
- 6:47said already, which is knowing your members, knowing
- 6:49the regs, fitting those pieces together, understanding what
- 6:52what channel strategies
- 6:54and relationships you can leverage.
- 6:56I mean, good readiness for me looks like
- 6:59getting a plan in place and understanding
- 7:01who is gonna be involved in ensuring that
- 7:04folks stay covered.
- 7:05And if you're a health plan leader, it's
- 7:07not just your internal teams. You need to
- 7:09look across the net the ecosystem and understand
- 7:11who else is gonna be involved in processing
- 7:15that redetermination
- 7:16paperwork. In North Carolina,
- 7:18where, you know, I was on the agency
- 7:21side at Medicaid and then was on the
- 7:23plan side. And so I've got a very
- 7:25detailed understanding of how that's processed in North
- 7:27Carolina. And the way that we do that
- 7:29is county DSS offices. You know, folks come
- 7:31in, provide their paperwork, fill out the application,
- 7:34then it's processed. That's the type of information
- 7:37that plan leaders need to understand today. Not
- 7:39only who is gonna be involved internally
- 7:42on making sure that folks stay covered, but
- 7:44also looking outside the organization
- 7:46and what is the capacity for my partners
- 7:48on the state side
- 7:50in order to process what effectively will be
- 7:53twice as many applications
- 7:55a year, at least for the Medicaid expansion
- 7:57population.
- 7:58Yeah. So good plans in place.
- 8:00Knowledge in this instance certainly
- 8:03is truly power. Trey, it's so great to
- 8:07have you on, so great to have you.
- 8:09What's that one final takeaway for our audience
- 8:12that you want them to walk away with?
- 8:14Yeah. I mean, for for the health plan
- 8:16leaders out there, I would say get organized
- 8:18and execute. This is really important.
- 8:21We all have an opportunity. Anybody that's involved
- 8:23in the Medicaid population has a real opportunity
- 8:25to make sure folks stay covered, stay healthier,
- 8:27live more meaningful lives. It it is our
- 8:30job as health plan leaders. And so the
- 8:33takeaway, I would say, is is you've got
- 8:34an opportunity to to make a difference, a
- 8:37real difference in this instance.
- 8:39And then lastly, there are also opportunities for
- 8:41advocacy.
- 8:51Specific example is when we say, medically fragile
- 8:54substance use disorders falls under that, what does
- 8:56that mean somebody's
- 8:58checked themselves into inpatient detox? Does it mean
- 9:00they've gone to an AA meeting? Does it
- 9:02mean that they've gotten a DUI?
- 9:04So I think there's a lot of ambiguity
- 9:06yet to be defined, and that's where I
- 9:07think a lot of health plan leaders have
- 9:09have an opportunity today. So I don't say
- 9:11get out there and advocate.
- 9:13Trey, again, thank you so much for your
- 9:15time and insights today. So great to have
- 9:16you. Awesome. Thank you. And we also want
- 9:19to thank our podcast sponsor, SiftWell. You can
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