Latest / AST SpaceMobile Podcast / Kook's Weekly, January 25 - Terawave Theories, FCC Green Lights, and The Flaw in the Bear Case
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- 0:06This is the AST Space Mobile podcast.
- 0:10Where we just basically found your phone being seamless
- 0:14regardless of where you are. We don't want the user even to
- 0:16know that it's connected by satellite.
- 0:21Listen, the opportunity that we have is very, very, very large.
- 0:29All right, all right, all right. A little bit earlier this week
- 0:33per the request of someone in the comments, and then you just
- 0:35said he was going to go to bed anyway, so that's what you get.
- 0:39Some pretty awesome football games, which kind of blew my
- 0:41day, but at least if we do the spaces earlier, there's a shot
- 0:44I'll get to the gym so I can get strong before doing 120 push ups
- 0:50tomorrow. Although in the aftermarket
- 0:52looks like I might be doing more like 110 because of government
- 0:56shutdown. What else do we have going on in
- 0:59the world Civil War Japan blowing up.
- 1:04I think tariffs in Europe are off the table for the next 15
- 1:06minutes or so, but you never know.
- 1:08But all this stuff really just goes to why you got to know what
- 1:11you own because when everything's looking great
- 1:14sentiment is is obviously been very positive on Asts.
- 1:18That's usually when there can be some random whip like, you know,
- 1:22the yen. And so you don't, you know,
- 1:26especially if you're new, all the battle hardened crazy people
- 1:29that suffered $2.00 or certainly like tuning me out right now.
- 1:33But anyone that's newer to the stock that's still doing their
- 1:35diligence. That's why it's important for
- 1:37you to really study it carefully because these short term price
- 1:40movements can be very tricky because they usually correlate
- 1:43with some other news like, you know, Elon will do something or
- 1:47some industry expert will say something that's very easy to
- 1:50go, well, my God, they said this thing and then the stock price
- 1:52is going down. It must, they must be right.
- 1:55And why don't I play it safe and set a stop loss?
- 2:00Oh boy. The stop loss has certainly cost
- 2:04some people some money. So back to helping people
- 2:08understand what they own. Let's start off with the fun
- 2:11news this week is that FM 2, which are is our second SDA
- 2:16satellite, the Satellite Development Authority.
- 2:19If people don't remember, the company was awarded something
- 2:25called the Halo, a Halo award, which is part of a prototype
- 2:30program for the government, where as part of being an
- 2:33awardee you send up to test satellite to show your
- 2:37capabilities. And so we already did FM 1 and
- 2:40now it's FM 2, flight Model 1, flight model 2.
- 2:44And importantly, both of these satellites went up on less
- 2:47traditional launch vehicles or it will go up on less
- 2:51traditional launch vehicles. And so we had FM One go up on
- 2:55the ISRO launcher, which was perfect, but that had a higher
- 3:01probability of failure than your typical F9 launch.
- 3:04And New Glenn 3, even though they're 2 for two.
- 3:07So it's batting 1000%, which is certainly pretty good.
- 3:11It's still a rocket that is getting it certification.
- 3:15So while we have every belief that that will be a successful
- 3:17launch, it's a little bit more dramatic than say your your
- 3:22everyday Falcon 9 launch. But my belief in what we were
- 3:25sort of studying and talking about is the company really
- 3:29probably just needed to get one of two of those satellites up
- 3:32for the to basically fulfill their evaluation period with the
- 3:37government. And these satellites to our
- 3:39belief, really don't play a part in the main communication
- 3:42constellation that's going up. They're really testing the the
- 3:45big bus. They've got a lot of government
- 3:47payloads on it as well. But the main entree of our
- 3:51constellation starts with batch one and then surely they're
- 3:55offered batch 2. That's when the game really gets
- 3:58going. So it's important to also study
- 3:59that, understand what we obviously, I have every
- 4:03expectation that FM 2 will be a successful launch.
- 4:07Just always understand when a failed launch would be a real
- 4:11problem versus when a failed launch will just be a minor
- 4:14nuisance. And so in the past, if we had
- 4:17had a failed launch of Blue Blue Walker 3, which was the first
- 4:20prototype satellite, that would have been catastrophic because
- 4:23the company wouldn't have been able to raise money and, and
- 4:24probably would have come bankrupt.
- 4:26And if Block One had failed, I, I think it would, it would have
- 4:31been a little less clear. But I think you could say if we
- 4:33say the company would have been an extreme risk of failing if
- 4:37that hadn't happened. But now the company is really in
- 4:40a position where if there's an anomaly, which is really kind of
- 4:43the nice way to say, you know, something blew up in space, then
- 4:48it's really no big deal for this company anymore, which is
- 4:51important if you're an owner of the stock.
- 4:52Because if you knew, you know, you're at a craps table and all
- 4:55of a sudden you're like, oh God, I'm dead.
- 4:57Well, useful to know that before you write something down.
- 5:00A0AS opposed to a minor set back.
- 5:02And so at this point, any, anything with an anomaly with a
- 5:05satellite is really just a minor set back.
- 5:07So if something does happen, just do what you want to do.
- 5:11But I, for example, would not blow out of my position or
- 5:15something because it would again, just be a minor little
- 5:18thing in the context of of the company's wherewithal.
- 5:22So we got the flight patch, too. It's a beautiful flight patch.
- 5:26I can't wait to get this on the merch store and add to my launch
- 5:31vest, as a total nerd would do. But other nerds include the FCC.
- 5:37And so it's nice that the chairman says, quote, I'm
- 5:39geeking out over D to C. Then he goes, quote, truly high
- 5:44speed service. And this is really part of his
- 5:47legacy during his tenure. And he's clear that they're
- 5:50going to open up spectrum. And another quote was he wants
- 5:54this to quote, flourish and flourish in America first.
- 5:58And so when he's talking about DTC and specifically truly high
- 6:02speed service, he's talking about AST space mobile and the
- 6:08actions that we saw this week. Beyond the words are the quick
- 6:13turning of comments on our application, which is the next
- 6:18week. FCC actions, not words.
- 6:20And this is going to go toward the ultimate approval for market
- 6:23access for the entire constellation.
- 6:27As we've talked about for frankly years at this point, the
- 6:31ultimate regulatory kind of green light for this
- 6:36constellation will end up being a very material de risking
- 6:40event. And so I personally believe that
- 6:44it's clearly reflected in the stock price that this company is
- 6:47going to be approved. There's always some probability
- 6:52in that's less than 100%. So just because I think it's
- 6:55reflected and it won't really be news to me, it is a big
- 6:58fundamental accomplishment. To the extent that the market
- 7:01has taken some percent of that into the market cap already is
- 7:05first of all very reasonable because anyone that's focused on
- 7:08this would clearly see that Brendan Carr will approve this
- 7:10constellation. But that's not to say that it
- 7:13won't be a good event for the stock price.
- 7:14But I think I've proven myself to be a very poor judge of the
- 7:17stock price. And so I wouldn't really take a
- 7:20a strong position on what that's worth in terms of market cap.
- 7:24Whereas I was willing to take a more constructive view of what
- 7:29something like Golden Dome would do because that's something that
- 7:31I thought was not reflected in the stock price and would have
- 7:34meaningful step change in revenue versus what prior
- 7:37expectations would have. The FCC approval doesn't really
- 7:40change prior expectations of revenue.
- 7:41It just changes the the certainty of achieving those
- 7:45revenues. So that's coming.
- 7:48Looks like we're getting closer and closer.
- 7:50And it would make sense that this might actually be timed
- 7:52around the Batch 1 shipment date, which could be any day
- 7:57now, frankly. But I don't know if there's any
- 8:00grand plan in terms of the FCC timing.
- 8:03Nigeria is following suit. And so we're going to see this
- 8:08over the next year is other countries are going to launch
- 8:12their own consultations for frameworks on DTC.
- 8:16And this is something the company always communicated to
- 8:19people. So originally ASTS was going to
- 8:22launch with an Equatorial constellation and they
- 8:28subsequently changed. But when we first started doing
- 8:32our diligence, of course, we were looking at this Equatorial
- 8:34constellation, which is exactly what the FCC filings were
- 8:38reflecting and thinking, you know, OK, so there's a lot of
- 8:41countries actually where they already have approval, which is
- 8:43very interesting. And so in my earliest drafts of
- 8:46the DD, it pointed out that there's different regimes in
- 8:49different countries. And sometimes you, you really
- 8:51could already get approval and go.
- 8:53And so then the FCC approval in theory could take a, a second
- 8:58seat to, you know, these other countries and you could get it
- 9:02up and running. Now, that was a very naive view
- 9:05of myself. And the company really, really
- 9:07set me straight on that course, too.
- 9:08And so they would make it very clear that FCC approval is, is
- 9:13absolutely crucial. It's the largest, deepest
- 9:16telecom market in the world. To not operate in the US would
- 9:19be a very significant impairment of value.
- 9:21Doesn't mean they wouldn't still have a business, but it would be
- 9:23a significant impairment of value.
- 9:25Moreover, when you get FCC approval, that's the light on
- 9:30the Hill. And so when the FCC approves it
- 9:34and creates the frameworks for that, that's going to be the
- 9:37domino that causes global adoption.
- 9:40And that's what I that's what we're seeing.
- 9:41And so as you see countries like Nigeria, Australia, the EUUK,
- 9:48I'm sure there's many others. Those regulators are all
- 9:51following the step of the FCC. And that's why that FCC approval
- 9:55is doubly important, is it effectively is a global green
- 10:00light, which I believe is at this point you could don't
- 10:02mistake for granted. But a couple years ago, I think
- 10:05he could have had a much more fervent argument with the bears
- 10:09on the pathway of regulatory approval.
- 10:11Tim Farrar infamously was adamant that this would never,
- 10:16ever, ever get FCC approval and that there was no framework in
- 10:20Europe. And that would take a decade.
- 10:22This, that and the other all proven to be absolutely wrong.
- 10:25But that was also when the stock price was, you know, below 10.
- 10:28And so that's when the the regulatory risk coupled with the
- 10:31financial risk, coupled with the commercial risk were all these
- 10:34massive discount factors on the stock price.
- 10:37And the slingshot to 100 and 100 plus dollars per share is a
- 10:43result of a de risking of all of those components of the stock.
- 10:46So we've massively de risked financing, we've massively de
- 10:49risked operating execution, massively de risked technology
- 10:53and the writings on the wall with the regulators.
- 10:55So again, massively de rest and that's great.
- 10:58That's what gets you to a real market cap that starts to have
- 11:01this other dynamic for the short thesis.
- 11:04So it no longer are people saying it won't get approved.
- 11:07Those guys all got their brains blown out.
- 11:10Now it's really centered on, well, it will work and it will
- 11:13get approved, but we don't think the market's big fine.
- 11:17That's exactly what we thought would happen in terms of the the
- 11:21bear dialogue. The bears are never just going
- 11:23to flip the show. They, you know, good, a good
- 11:26short frankly, and this was, it was interesting hedge fund trick
- 11:29is if you're, if you're short of stock and then you start to not
- 11:32feel great about it, the answer is usually to flip and go long,
- 11:37not just get flat, but actually go long.
- 11:39That's in my experience. You know, if you're already so
- 11:41galvanized to be short and you start to really lose your, your
- 11:44conviction on that, it, it usually means that it's so much
- 11:49better than than you think it is because you're already such a
- 11:52negative bias toward the stock that you just want to flip it
- 11:55and, and go along. Traders like Stevie Cohen would
- 11:59do that. Mere mortals like myself would
- 12:02just come up with this funny little pithy statement to tell
- 12:06people anonymously on spaces, but never actually do it myself.
- 12:10But that is what I think he what I think these shorts should do
- 12:13once they start to realize their thesis is falling apart.
- 12:15But they don't do that. They change the goal posts,
- 12:18which is great because we want to have these bears create this
- 12:21wall of worry and it's easy to rekindle that wall of worry.
- 12:27And so just reminder of how fragile sentiment can be.
- 12:30Corey kind of nailed it where you know, the meme where the cat
- 12:34is looking at a chart that's straight up and then has like a
- 12:36little bit of a red dip and it's like, why is it going down?
- 12:39No, that's how I felt on Friday and I reminded myself I went,
- 12:43well, the stocks 115 dollars. Guess I should chill out.
- 12:48And you know, there's a lot of debate actually in the
- 12:50background as to whether or not the kook bottom is still a valid
- 12:52indicator. And all I could say is the kook
- 12:55bottom is uncontrollable. My emotional immaturity when the
- 13:00stock goes down is unlikely to ever truly be fixed.
- 13:03It just might take deeper levels for the kook bottom to reveal
- 13:06itself. But don't, don't portend an
- 13:10early death of the kook bottom in my emotional stability.
- 13:13That's all I got to say. But do you stay focused?
- 13:16But let's talk about the bears. So Peter Adderton is the CEO of
- 13:22Boost Mobile. No, sorry.
- 13:26He was the founder of Boost Mobile.
- 13:27He's the founder of Mobile X. This is a real guy.
- 13:30He's a real telecom executive. For reasons unknown to me, he
- 13:35likes to troll the space mob. And you think that Aceo would
- 13:39have a better use of time? And King Tut actually brought
- 13:43this up to him of don't you have a better use of time?
- 13:45And he, I actually had a great answer.
- 13:47He said, well, not really because I have a great team, so
- 13:50I have plenty of time to troll retail investors on a pre
- 13:54revenue satellite stock. I guess that's an interesting
- 13:58way to talk about your skill as ACEO to build strong teams,
- 14:01which is in fact the job of ACEO, so good for him.
- 14:05But he does bring up this point of AST Space Mobile has a white
- 14:10label strategy and he believes it's fundamentally flawed when
- 14:14measured against Starlink's strategy.
- 14:17So this is an interesting point and one I've thought about for
- 14:20years. And especially when the stock
- 14:22price was low, I thought, well, does this company's strategy
- 14:26violate sort of simple VC logic One O 11?
- 14:30Might ask what is simple VC logic?
- 14:32One O 1 And you want to own your customer.
- 14:35That's kind of a good thing to do when looking at a consumer
- 14:41company. You want to have a direct
- 14:43relationship with your end consumer so you're not
- 14:46disintermediated. You own the value chain in the
- 14:50delivery. These are these are logical
- 14:52things. And so Peter makes the point
- 14:56that Starlink built a global brand and not just a back end
- 15:00feature. Well, true, but they did that
- 15:03with fixed broadband, not with D to C And this is the issue that
- 15:09Pete, if I may call him Pete, is missing.
- 15:13So normally you want to go direct to your consumer.
- 15:16Well, if what I just said is true and direct to consumer is
- 15:21therefore always good, why is it that VCD to C companies are
- 15:26heaping piles of crap, maybe with very, very few exceptions,
- 15:32but they are heaping piles of crap.
- 15:35Because what Peter misses, take a standard D to C model for
- 15:39example, is that while you're going direct to your consumer
- 15:42and he would say, well, that's great, they are not a back end
- 15:46feature. You got Mark Zuckerberg standing
- 15:50there on his palatial estate in Hawaii having the last laugh
- 15:55because he's taking 60 to 70% of your entire gross margin in the
- 15:59form of customer acquisition cost.
- 16:01That's the killer is how do you acquire those customers and keep
- 16:07them. And so Starlink went into a
- 16:10market with Elon Musk, who is a one man marketing team, truly an
- 16:16end of one individual. I don't believe Tesla has really
- 16:18run ads and Starlink has, but they haven't had to run money
- 16:23because it's a very unique product that was kind of markets
- 16:26itself. That's a very rare thing to do.
- 16:30But importantly, the current Starlink product is
- 16:33self-sufficient. You buy the dish, you connect to
- 16:36the Internet. Done.
- 16:39D to C isn't going to work that way.
- 16:42You cannot right now offer a direct D to C plan because that
- 16:47would involve replacing the MNL or or worse, selling a
- 16:52complimentary service directly to the consumer on top of the
- 16:56MNL, which really doesn't make sense to me.
- 16:58I don't know how that could possibly work given a phone
- 17:00really has to be tied into one core network and so D to D to C
- 17:09is fundamentally incompatible with D to C, So direct to sell
- 17:17is incompatible with direct to consumer.
- 17:20You need the channel partner because you are having to tie
- 17:24into the MNL back core, which you could not possibly recreate
- 17:28yourself because your service would be it just there's a real
- 17:33reason why the terrestrial networks are probably going to
- 17:35have a very strong place in a typical user's journey.
- 17:38The capital intensity would be mind boggling to do for one, and
- 17:44then the customer acquisition will be mind boggling as well.
- 17:48Anyone that was just watching all the football games, who do
- 17:50you see advertising? It's, it's the MN OS and they're
- 17:54fighting viciously for your business, offering promotions
- 17:59and things like that. So their customer acquisition
- 18:01cost is not just the ad that you saw, but then it's the subsidies
- 18:05on the iPhones and things like that.
- 18:07It's enormously expensive to acquire customers.
- 18:10And so has this model been tried before?
- 18:12Well, let's call Raging Capital real quick because you know,
- 18:17grandma, it's reminding me of the Iridium IPO.
- 18:21That's what they did. They went direct to consumer.
- 18:24They had their own Iridium phone and they were offering a
- 18:27integrated system. And guess what?
- 18:30Bankrupt. It's super expensive to acquire
- 18:33customers and it's super impractical to offer a redundant
- 18:39stand alone service for supplementary coverage, at least
- 18:42in the current state of technology.
- 18:44So what he misses is that direct to consumer is simply not an
- 18:48option. Nevermind that Starlink itself
- 18:50is not going direct to consumer for its D to C product.
- 18:53It's going through T-Mobile. Checkmate, Peter.
- 18:57And then what he's also missing is the unbelievable breath of
- 19:01distribution that you get by pairing with the DDCS.
- 19:05So what would be the analog of the distribution that ASTS is
- 19:09going to get? Imagine if you had the App Store
- 19:13to yourself. That's what ASTS has to an AT&T
- 19:19sub. There's an App Store.
- 19:22It's the things you add on to your AT&T plan.
- 19:26There's going to be one option for this type of very important
- 19:31service and that is going to be ASD, Space Mobile.
- 19:35AT&T is giving us a monopoly on the equivalent of the App Store
- 19:40for every user in America. And then we have that same deal
- 19:43with the largest M and OS around the world.
- 19:47That's a distribution advantage. That's how the money is made.
- 19:51Peter, I don't think has the same background I have, and
- 19:55which is to say that he's not a smart person in his own respect,
- 19:59but a business strategist. I don't think he is.
- 20:03And so I think this is fundamentally a point that he's
- 20:06not understanding. It's one I've thought deeply,
- 20:08deeply about because I'd ask myself and go, God, kook, why
- 20:12did you have a screen name called Kook?
- 20:15That's really the first thing I was thinking about.
- 20:16I'm like, does it mean you're the kook or other people the
- 20:20kook? Who are you reporting on?
- 20:22Or is it a self report of a kook?
- 20:23Or are you reporting other kooks?
- 20:25It's just so confusing to me. I don't really even remember how
- 20:28I did it. I had COVID at the time.
- 20:30It's all a blur. But you know, it's one of life's
- 20:32great mysteries is why the hell did I call myself the kook
- 20:34report? But the other great mystery I
- 20:38had was why did I have my entire net worth in a company that is
- 20:42AB to B technology play that doesn't own the end consumer?
- 20:47You know, the great outcomes of this world have an incredibly
- 20:50strong consumer relationship. Think Meta, Google, Apple,
- 20:56Microsoft. Even though people seem to hate
- 20:57Microsoft, I love Microsoft. So I would say they have a very
- 21:02strong consumer relationship with myself.
- 21:07But then you have the other things that don't like NVIDIA.
- 21:10NVIDIA at a time you had the hardcore gamers, we have a, you
- 21:12know, pretty strong relationship because they were building their
- 21:14own rigs. Now it's just selling the data
- 21:16centers. And so, you know, there, there's
- 21:18an exception to that rule. And sometimes I think you just
- 21:22have to have some light exceptions to your own rules.
- 21:24And for me, this issue about the relationship with the consumer
- 21:28is something I, I think deeply about.
- 21:31And what I hope happens is that ASC Space Mobile is smart enough
- 21:38to forge its own brand identity with the Space Mobile service,
- 21:41the red A things like that. That's why it's all very
- 21:44important that we pester AT&T to death to kind of go, you know,
- 21:48red AT&T and create a brand identity for this service so it
- 21:53that it isn't truly invisible to the consumer, which it otherwise
- 21:57would be. People would just be like, wow,
- 21:58my phone works. That's amazing.
- 22:00It is cool if there's actual real differentiation.
- 22:02Just like T-Mobile users know they're using Starlink, I want
- 22:06AT&T and Verizon users to know they're using Space Mobile.
- 22:09Not that it's a big deal, but you always want optionality
- 22:11around consumer identification because you never know what the
- 22:16future will bring. But if we want to talk about
- 22:18things that are purely B to B back end, let's talk about
- 22:23Terrawave. So Terrawave came out this week,
- 22:26drilled the stock and it was one of those things where Katzie was
- 22:31saying like this is the most positive thing I've ever seen.
- 22:33And the market was, you know, gapping down whatever it was
- 22:36quite a lot, if I remember correctly.
- 22:39And it's interesting because Terra Wave is the sum of many
- 22:44coincidences and we'll get that to that in a second.
- 22:47But let's talk about what Terra Wave is.
- 22:50So Blue Origin announced its Terra Wave constellation, which
- 22:53is different from Amazon's Kiper.
- 22:55It's a space based transport backbone.
- 22:57So think of global crossings, but in space.
- 23:04And it is optimized to move big boy amounts of data between
- 23:08fixed endpoints. So I, for example, am not a
- 23:12fixed endpoint as a tweet out of my pickup truck.
- 23:16I am not going to be a Terra Wave user.
- 23:20A data center moving massive amounts of cloud data AI
- 23:24workloads is especially if there's any flaws or downtime
- 23:31with the fiber network. And this is a network that will
- 23:36be used really by government data centers and some
- 23:40enterprises. And it should, from what we
- 23:43could tell, it can be very complementary to other things
- 23:45because it provides sort of the freeway system up in space to
- 23:49get data up and around the world so that you don't necessarily
- 23:52have the same dependencies on terrestrial infrastructure at
- 23:57all points at all times. Pretty neat.
- 24:00It's going to have a 5300 satellite Leo layer.
- 24:05That's where you access the network.
- 24:07And then that Leo network beams things up to the MEO network,
- 24:11Middle Earth orbit, which is going to have 128 satellites.
- 24:13That what that's what provides sort of the, the I-90, if you
- 24:17will. And so think if you're just
- 24:19trying to think of any city where I actually know the roads,
- 24:22think of Boston. So you're on the, you're on the
- 24:24one kind of driving through Revere and then that's your,
- 24:29your Leo network kind of could be kind of slow sometimes.
- 24:32And then you get on I-90 and bang, you're on, you're on the
- 24:35Middle Earth orbit layer going ideally faster than you were on
- 24:40the 1. So that's Terra wave.
- 24:43The market very quickly figured out that this is not Blue Origin
- 24:47competing with ASD Space Mobile. People immediately went to their
- 24:50dark little gremlin space of thinking, Oh my God, if SpaceX
- 24:55has Starlink and they won't launch our satellites, Asterisk
- 24:59SpaceX launches our satellites, then Blue Origin having their
- 25:02own constellation will mean that Blue Origin won't launch our
- 25:04satellites. Asterisk Blue Origin is
- 25:06launching our satellites. So even though these things are
- 25:09already contractually baked, it continue to happen.
- 25:11People always go to this dark little place thinking that all
- 25:14of these space companies have a deep seated desire to scream in
- 25:18the office of the FTC saying I am abusing my market position,
- 25:22please sue me. They're not doing that.
- 25:25They will do the opposite. But in any respect, it's
- 25:28literally not competitive and it might be complementary.
- 25:31And so the Terra wave constellation is very useful to
- 25:38Amazon, for example. So with all of the data center
- 25:42they they have, with all the AI workloads they have, you're
- 25:46adding a very crucial component to communications infrastructure
- 25:50through this. But then you're also adding a
- 25:53lot of demand for your New Glen launcher.
- 25:56So they can't just rely on ASD Space Mobile and I guess they
- 26:01could rely on Kuiper. But New Glen is very quickly
- 26:04having a very big book of business.
- 26:07It's very exciting for them, that crew that you know, that
- 26:10crew, but that team working on New Glen launcher knows that
- 26:14they have demand for that rocket.
- 26:16It's going to be underwritten by quite a few large customers at
- 26:20this point. Kuiper, ASD Space Mobile, Terra
- 26:23Wave, Golden Dome, all of these are actually highlighted by Blue
- 26:26Origin themselves. They're specific about
- 26:28highlighting the importance of ASD space mobile in their book
- 26:33of business. So what's interesting though is
- 26:36Terra wave coincides with quite a few other things.
- 26:40And so just recently lawmakers eliminated Millnet, which was
- 26:44going to be a government operated constellation built by
- 26:47SpaceX to provide data transport services gone.
- 26:52Why is that? The money instead went to the
- 26:55PWSA which is really more the umbrella that ASTS operates
- 26:59under. Interesting.
- 27:03That is 1 big thing. So that program got killed right
- 27:08as this is getting launched. And then we go back to that
- 27:11photo of Jeff Bezos and Abelle saying congratulations.
- 27:15Now what did they agree to? Well, obviously Blue Origin
- 27:20launch was 1. We had speculated for some time
- 27:23that there was going to be some Co investment and things like
- 27:26that. That has not happened and and
- 27:28frankly we might be wrong on that doesn't make all the sense
- 27:30in the world for that to be happen.
- 27:32If it did happen, it wouldn't really surprise me.
- 27:35But then a partnership for military and government work
- 27:39utilizing our satellites, but then having the backhaul so you
- 27:43don't have terrestrial dependence by way of terror wave
- 27:47actually starts to make a lot of sense.
- 27:49And so these coincidences add up.
- 27:52It was literally the first thing that went to my mind when I saw
- 27:54that article from military daily or whatever about the
- 27:58cancellation of Milnet named my initial tweet off the cuff was
- 28:01just, you know, diversifying away from SpaceX to ASTS.
- 28:07It just seemed pretty clear to me.
- 28:09Katzie found out that the over the the frequencies between
- 28:14Terra wave and ASTS match. And so these systems are
- 28:18actually compatible with each other.
- 28:21Very interesting Quinky Dink and all of the pieces are there.
- 28:28And so ASTS has the optical inter satellite laser links, we
- 28:33have the DC service links, you have the PLM which can put the E
- 28:40node B on the satellite and not necessarily rely on ground
- 28:43stations, which could be useful for the military.
- 28:45We've got these big QV feeders that we saw on the new
- 28:48satellites. It all kind of adds up lately,
- 28:51as in the past five years, whenever space mob sort of sees
- 28:55these coincidences, we've we've actually been right on
- 28:58everything except the Enroll 69 program.
- 29:01And that we might have been right on, we'll just never know
- 29:03because it's the NRO is the most secretive and most important
- 29:07sort of Defense Department from what I understand that no one
- 29:11knows about. And it's entirely possible that
- 29:13we actually are part of NRO, but we we had thought that we were
- 29:17actually the NRO 69 satellite and I believe we were wrong.
- 29:21So that may be one instance where our speculation was wrong.
- 29:25But then we look at the, the Fudsters were cooked to come
- 29:28out, but thank God not for us. And so people search to really
- 29:32hone in on the technical aspects of Terra wave.
- 29:35Really, I don't know if this is our problem, but they're just
- 29:38saying, you know, this is a complex system for them to build
- 29:40in terms of having the scalability of the QV band and
- 29:44things like that. At this point, I tend to believe
- 29:47that Blue Origin had figured it out, but again, not not really
- 29:53our problem to solve, but when stepping back, it's just another
- 29:59piece in the puzzle. Where as Theodorus the Atheist
- 30:02says, once you have high throughput links through
- 30:07something like Terra Wave, why not just have the data centers
- 30:10in space too? And so you're, you're seeing,
- 30:13and I think this is going to be one of these gradual and sudden
- 30:15types of things. It gradually you're going to
- 30:18just see the pieces necessary for space based AI data centers.
- 30:22And there's going to be the same cadence of people trying to make
- 30:26the math work. I've tried.
- 30:27It is not immediately obvious, but there's a lot of things I
- 30:32for sure don't know. But then you're going to have,
- 30:35you know, more of these systems up there that underwrite their
- 30:37use cases in other ways, which therefore buys down the
- 30:41incremental cost of capacity for doing other things.
- 30:45So it's a good economies of scale type of asset up there.
- 30:48And, you know, all of a sudden, you can really have a transport
- 30:51layer of data around the world that normally would have been
- 30:55handled by fiber. So yeah, maybe we are a step
- 30:57closer from having big data centers in space.
- 31:00Elon certainly thinks that that's true.
- 31:04Other really big things that are moving forward are Golden Dome.
- 31:08And so I took a lot of heat from Europeans last week on my
- 31:11Greenland comments. Everyone's super sensitive on
- 31:14everything nowadays, and I just call it as it is.
- 31:17I don't like most people. At first I was like, wait, what?
- 31:21We're going to take Greenland? I mean, I don't.
- 31:23I certainly wasn't born to be a politician, I guess.
- 31:25But as I studied it, it made more and more sense in studying,
- 31:30you know, the stuff. And ultimately, you know
- 31:35nothing. You know, there's no rules in
- 31:36the jungle. There's just suggestions.
- 31:39And so this all went to a peak last week.
- 31:43Greenland, frankly, now seems like yesterday's news.
- 31:45But Trump seemingly struck a deal was with Trump.
- 31:49You actually really never know if you struck a deal or tacoed
- 31:51unclear. Sometimes they can look like the
- 31:53same thing. But he was very explicit that
- 31:57the US Golden Dome will be involved with whatever deal he
- 32:00negotiated with Greenland. So he's secured the real estate
- 32:03for what are likely to be a lot of interceptors and ground
- 32:07systems for Golden Dome, which for those playing at home, it is
- 32:11important for the pieces of Golden Dome to come together.
- 32:14If expecting the rest of Golden Dome to get bought and paid for,
- 32:19then it looks like it's taking shape.
- 32:21And I don't know if Greenland was actually a critical path for
- 32:25it. Makes sense that it might have
- 32:27been just because of the importance of those polar
- 32:30orbits. But anyway, now we don't have to
- 32:33speculate whether or not that in particular was a critical path
- 32:37item. Sticking with our theme of kind
- 32:41of government coincidences, we also had a program called RGPS,
- 32:49which was a Space Force program and it was cancelled.
- 32:55So in this world where what we've seen is that the
- 33:02electronic warfare is as important as ever, why in the
- 33:07world would the space for Force cancel Agps resilience program?
- 33:13Well, there's only one answer is they found other ways to do it.
- 33:18And So what I really like what we're seeing is Milnet, you
- 33:21know, a dedicated solution, GPS resilience program, dedicated
- 33:29solution, these are getting cancelled.
- 33:31And so I believe that they're being harmonized with these
- 33:33commercial systems and I believe they're being harmonized with
- 33:37SpaceX and ASD space Mobile. That's great because that just
- 33:40means these these economies of scale are happening.
- 33:42We're able to be the Swiss Army knife and do many things for
- 33:45many people. That expands the Tam that puts
- 33:49nitrous oxide in our economic model.
- 33:53Because all of a sudden in the models that I've built, you're
- 33:57really modeling like what percent of your capacity can you
- 34:00monetize, You know, for that one sailboat in the middle of the
- 34:03Pacific, that's that's not as great as monetizing 5 million
- 34:08people moving in and out of service over New York City.
- 34:13So all of a sudden, some of these other programs could
- 34:16actually allow us to monetize our capacity kind of where they
- 34:20ain't. And so where is GPS resilience
- 34:23going to be really important? Well, it will be important over
- 34:26the US in the event there's ever an outage, but it's going to be
- 34:29really important in other parts of the world where there can be
- 34:33the the denial of that service, which is then an opportunity for
- 34:37us to monetize what is otherwise kind of dormant capacity we
- 34:39have. So these things are happening,
- 34:41happening. And and then Golden Dome again,
- 34:44just seems like a lifetime ago. That was Monday really hurts for
- 34:48me to believe, or I guess it was it was announced Friday, but
- 34:52then the follow through was Monday.
- 34:54And so let's look to our resident expert, tough 4R, who
- 34:58really breaks down what he thinks some of the timelines
- 35:00could be. I won't read his whole post.
- 35:02He put a lot of work into it. So I recommend you look at the
- 35:06the post that I did called remember Monday, Golden Dome dot
- 35:09dot dot and just talks about some of the timelines and and
- 35:14things maybe to expect. He also interestingly brings up
- 35:19the noble process. So that's the MDA Noble award
- 35:23that I was talking about last week, which I frankly had not
- 35:25had on the top of my desk. But other people like Kevin
- 35:29Chen, for example, we're totally on top of it.
- 35:31These sort of accelerated procurement models can reduce
- 35:34processes that otherwise could take, I don't know, a decade to
- 35:38two to three years, which is great because that means that
- 35:41all of a sudden we start to have revenue coming where it
- 35:44otherwise would have been bogged down.
- 35:47You know, when I think of bogged down, I think of Scotiabank
- 35:50because these guys just are totally bogged down.
- 35:53So this guy was out with a note on MLK Day, not seemingly
- 35:57knowing that US investors don't work that day.
- 36:02And he's working hard, apparently too hard, because he
- 36:05should have just saved it for Tuesday when anyone would have
- 36:08actually traded. But he's just been trying to
- 36:10downgrade this thing as hard as he can.
- 36:13And it makes me wonder, is there a proposition that Scotiabank
- 36:17might have that they're getting stuffed on?
- 36:19It's unclear because his behavior is pretty weird.
- 36:22He's just coming after this thing kind of every day.
- 36:25He was out on the 6th. He was out on the 13th, the
- 36:2814th, the 16th and 19th. It's wild.
- 36:31So he really wants ASD Space Mobile to go down.
- 36:36It's almost like he had sold one call option or something and was
- 36:40praying to God that he could get it below the strike price.
- 36:43But sorry, Andres, not possible. But then the good guys came out
- 36:50as usual. So Deutsche Bank, unlikely Hero
- 36:53has upgraded us again. They came out and upgraded the
- 36:57target price from $81 to $137.00.
- 37:00So good, good for them. What is interesting is they
- 37:07start to give their own assessment of launch
- 37:09predictions. So they think there's going to
- 37:10be 47 Bluebirds by year end. And some guy was saying, you
- 37:15know, well I'm playing from home and I think it's pretty unlikely
- 37:18they're going to have 5 launches by Q1.
- 37:20I agree. At this point it seems like it
- 37:23would be a a surprise to me if there were five launchers by
- 37:28March 31st 'cause we're going to have the new Glen launch
- 37:31probably in early March and then maybe there's a shot for a batch
- 37:371, batch 2 launch. And I mean that is very
- 37:41optimistic to me that that would happen.
- 37:43That's 4 launches. So I don't.
- 37:45I don't personally see it, but I don't think it matters.
- 37:48Anyone that gets all huffy puffy with histrionics over that is
- 37:53levered, has short term calls, doesn't know what they're doing,
- 37:56or shouldn't shouldn't call themselves a long term
- 37:59shareholder. Because the whole point of the
- 38:02stock market is the discounting mechanism.
- 38:04And so if and when the company ships block batch 1, so long as
- 38:13then batch 2 follows in a reasonable time.
- 38:16And then there is a look on you know the other satellites coming
- 38:18which they're giving U.S. data in terms of how many satellites
- 38:21are in various, various stages of production.
- 38:24They are going to smooth out this production cadence and they
- 38:28will start to get In Sync with launch availability and the
- 38:32market will see that. So whether they have two
- 38:35launches in Q2 and then one in April, it just, I don't think
- 38:39it's going to matter. Maybe some short term volatility
- 38:41that's going to be pretty meaningless.
- 38:42But when thinking of the big stepwise functions of value,
- 38:46which is what I care about, it's do we have $50 stock, $100
- 38:52stock, $150.00 stock, $200 stock.
- 38:54I'm thinking in those types of buckets and the sort of bouncing
- 38:57around the trend line, which guys like Reform Trader do a
- 38:59great job of tracking, that's just kind of the noise.
- 39:02That's just the ebb and flows, the macro, it's the little
- 39:06stuff. And as long as the company in
- 39:08the broad arc of things is executing, then anyone that's a
- 39:11long term show holder, which I count myself as one is in good
- 39:15is in good stead. And so the the people sort of
- 39:18counting the peanuts on what exactly what happened by March
- 39:2231st and then slinging invective at the management team, I find
- 39:25to be quite inappropriate. And so one guy was saying, well,
- 39:28this management team is so grandiose.
- 39:30I mean, a bell literally doesn't talk.
- 39:33It's hard to be a grandiose when he is on grandiose.
- 39:39And so like, did they put out some guidance that they might
- 39:41miss? Yeah, but you know what?
- 39:43I don't want a owner operator of a disruptive company giving
- 39:49guidance of like, I don't know guys, let's like be chill.
- 39:52Just make sure we're all friends and happy and like, let's focus
- 39:55on the reviews we give each other so that everyone has good
- 39:58feedback. No, he's like, hey bitches, 5
- 40:02launches. And if they miss it, I'm sure
- 40:04he's going to. Break some glass and he's
- 40:08setting the cadence of impossible goals.
- 40:12There's another guy that's created a little bit of value
- 40:14that takes crap from time to time but sets ambitious goals
- 40:18and misses him. And his name is Elon Musk, and
- 40:20guess what? It works.
- 40:23But the other stuff I really liked about the Deutsche Bank
- 40:27report was the subtle hints on the Tam.
- 40:32And so Deutsche Bank models in some real government revenue and
- 40:38at ASTS, investors did a nice job creating a little
- 40:40infographic of just what the government and other revenues
- 40:44are, which for example in 2027 is $200 million finger in the
- 40:49air. I don't know anyone could really
- 40:50predict that, but it's nice to have some estimates coming out.
- 40:53I think this could be a much larger number in short order.
- 40:56But then other things that are happening, The Catsy was
- 41:00tracking the Joby filings and noticed that their telemetry
- 41:05testing is firmly within the types of bands that ASTS
- 41:10operates in. And so this is the type of stuff
- 41:13I don't think the shorts really dial in when they say, well, you
- 41:16know, there's only so many people going to Yosemite Park
- 41:19that are running from a bear at any at any moment.
- 41:22And when, yeah, sure, but we can get into the normal use cases of
- 41:27the technology until I'm blue in the face.
- 41:30But things like evitalls that are going to need to have
- 41:33constant connections, who knows how big this market is going to
- 41:38be. It's going to be, as we saw,
- 41:41dialed into cars. So India has that cool program
- 41:44of making all the cars talk to each other so that you can
- 41:46literally see around corners. This goes to the ASCs platform
- 41:49effect of once you create the flexible platform, people are
- 41:52going to build on it. People who have specific use
- 41:55cases that only they understand and know are going to leverage
- 41:58and utilize your technology from which you benefit by selling
- 42:01them capacity to solve new problems that are not current
- 42:06markets because they don't yet exist.
- 42:09But then they do exist and they are big.
- 42:12And then people are surprised why so much revenue occurred. 1
- 42:16fun thing is that Theodorus also just checked the price target
- 42:20predictions of Deutsche I I tend to ignore price targets, but
- 42:24this is actually pretty funny. And so they'd originally
- 42:27predicted 22 bucks bang hit, then they had predicted 121
- 42:32dollars bang hit and you know they have this out year price of
- 42:36672, which would be really cool if they hit as well.
- 42:42We also had clear clear St. come out with a report,
- 42:45interestingly, the exact same $137 target price.
- 42:48And so I didn't look too much into that, but it struck me as
- 42:50kind of odd. And you know, then as much as
- 42:55people call us the paid pumpers, which for the avoidance of
- 42:59doubt, we're not, no one here to my knowledge, is a recipient of
- 43:04consideration from the company in return for, quote, UN quote,
- 43:08pumping the stock. I find that just so crazy to
- 43:10believe that anyone would think that this level of diligence is
- 43:14paid pumping. The actual paid pumpers are Bank
- 43:17of America, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan and Morgan Stanley.
- 43:20They are literally paid pumpers. And so SpaceX is hiring them to
- 43:24pump their IPO. And so ironies of ironies,
- 43:28SpaceX is the paid pumper. And you can see it because then
- 43:32we get iced by all of those banks except Bank of America.
- 43:36They're they're cool. But you know, Morgan Stanley is
- 43:38kind of will do whatever they can to not say the forbidden
- 43:42word of AST space mobile. Why you don't want to piss off
- 43:46Elon. I get it.
- 43:47You know, the fees involved on the SpaceX IPO are going to be
- 43:50year, you know, they're going to make their year.
- 43:53It's great. But those are the paid pumpers,
- 43:55not us. And you know, sometimes the paid
- 43:59pumping is exhausting when you when you have nothing good to
- 44:02pump. And so Ben Longmire, he's
- 44:06throwing it up. He's he's done as a paid pumper.
- 44:09He's the CEO of Starlink's DTC business and he quit.
- 44:13He's going now to, you know, work on his home garden or
- 44:16something. Or he's going to redesign the
- 44:19hall thruster with a small team and go to his garage and build
- 44:24rocket parts. Good for him.
- 44:26And so ask yourself, is that what you would do in one of the
- 44:30most dynamic, exciting new telecom markets if you had a
- 44:33leading position? Nope.
- 44:35It's what's happening when your product sucks and Elon is either
- 44:38kicking you out. The most likely scenario is Elon
- 44:42is kicking you out. And Sarah Spangelo also, she was
- 44:47there from the swarm days. She's laughed.
- 44:50And so it seems like SpaceX is doing a wholesale overhaul of
- 44:54that business. And we'll see what they do.
- 44:56But it's not bullish for those guys to have their key leaders
- 45:00leave. It's very bullish for AST Space
- 45:02Mobile because it just highlights what we all know in
- 45:05terms of the problems and the challenges that Starlink has.
- 45:08And seeing their execs leave kind of confirm that they see
- 45:12the same problem too. The problem that we're still
- 45:15looking to really understand is Starship.
- 45:18And so Starship crunched itself again like a Coca-Cola can under
- 45:24pressure, which isn't isn't positive.
- 45:27And so there's another another failure during testing, which is
- 45:31just add 1 to the long list of challenges of this Starship
- 45:36program. And it's just a stark contrast
- 45:40of maybe there is a limit to scale of Elon's approach of kind
- 45:44of go fast and and wing it versus Jeff Bezos doing step by
- 45:48step ferociously. We're we're now seeing maybe the
- 45:54edge case of technical limits in terms of big rockets with a
- 45:57certain managerial approach. But I don't count Starship out.
- 46:01It's still unbelievable to me that they've launched, launched
- 46:04the booster and caught it, but they haven't gotten the
- 46:06integrated system to work much less reliably.
- 46:10And that's a problem for SpaceX. So that's all I really have this
- 46:17week. Only thing I'd flag is this
- 46:20really cool piece that Crossroads Capital put out that
- 46:25just really kind of goes into their impression and and own
- 46:30history of the space mob. And obviously, as someone that
- 46:33is deeply involved in the space mob, it's difficult for me to
- 46:37remember the whole journey. It just kind of happened.
- 46:40I don't really remember when my life became space mob, when all
- 46:46of these different communities and working groups formed.
- 46:49It was just so natural. I do.
- 46:51I do remember the first time I reached out to Ann Penn Man and
- 46:54he iced me and I'll never forget because he viewed himself as
- 46:58such a big account that he was going to talk to some rando
- 47:01with. I think I had like 15 followers
- 47:03that were bots, but then then we ended up somehow making peace
- 47:08and being friends. But it is cool when you look at
- 47:11this group and he makes the point, this is not a bunch of
- 47:13group, you know, big pumpers. This is a really a dynamic
- 47:18principal expert network, unlike the Wall Street expert network
- 47:21networks, which I, I use, I'm a subscriber of them.
- 47:24That's where you get the platitudes.
- 47:25That's when you get the guys, they're hanging it up.
- 47:27That will kind of, oh cool, I can make 300 bucks an hour to
- 47:30kind of talk about what I know which is dated by a couple
- 47:33years. And crossers make the point that
- 47:36you actually do those calls to take the opposite position of
- 47:39Wall Street because that perspective is commodified.
- 47:42Space Mob has created a market driven expert network because I
- 47:46have a lot of money involved, you know, I am an enthusiast,
- 47:49but contrary to Doctor Schlaubberbanger's assertations
- 47:54that I am just a paid bumper, I actually do have a long position
- 47:57in this company. And so my work is driven by my
- 48:00own desire to be right on this investment, as is everyone
- 48:04else's, which is very different from typical expert networks.
- 48:07They don't have skin in the game.
- 48:09They don't have that same jungle theory to get it right or be
- 48:12eaten as we do. And that's what makes this
- 48:15community really unique. And the research is real.
- 48:20It's there's a lot of memes and stuff like that, which is fun.
- 48:23I enjoy it. But the, the research is real
- 48:25too. And the people behind the
- 48:26cartoon accounts for the most part are also real with varying
- 48:32professional backgrounds that all come together to be able to
- 48:35put together very complex things.
- 48:36And so I, I know the people I talk to regularly, especially my
- 48:39DMS are coming from vantage points that I cannot replicate.
- 48:43And then I think that when they give me their perspectives
- 48:46through my lens as I give it back or articulate it on the,
- 48:51you know, in the DD, on the weekly or on the spaces, I think
- 48:53they get value from too. And so it's this really cool
- 48:55virtuous circle of trying to contribute and Crossroads did a
- 48:59really nice job of of highlighting that.
- 49:01And I'm appreciative of people taking notice of it.
- 49:03And I think it's really cool and everyone should be really proud
- 49:06that they've been able to contribute in this way.
- 49:09So that's what I have this week. Thanks for joining me.
- 49:12And I would just buckle up. It seems like there's going to
- 49:15be a lot of volatility because there might be another
- 49:17government shutdown. There might be Iran strikes, I
- 49:20think seems like tariffs are off the table for a little bit.
- 49:23Intel blew up. I mean, who knows?
- 49:25And so don't get, don't get tricked by the volatility is my
- 49:30only advice. If you, if you don't like the
- 49:31stock, sell it, but don't sell it because of a bunch of macro
- 49:35noise, which then usually coincides with FUD.
- 49:39And if you want to buy it, you know, buy it and you maybe you
- 49:44get to take advantage of some of that volatility as well, which a
- 49:48lot of people have been really good at trading.
- 49:50So I'll end it here. Thanks again.
- 49:51I appreciate everyone joining and have a wonderful week.
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