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Sharri | 5 November · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry Good Evening or New York's best days
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Speaker 2: are over. As a hard left, radical anti American socialist
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Speaker 2: wins the mayoral race. New York Post Star columnist Miranda
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Speaker 2: Devine will tell us what Ma'am Danny's win means for
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Speaker 2: the future of the city and the Democrats. Susan Lee
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Speaker 2: is on borrowed time as her challenges are circling. Two
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Speaker 2: of her key rivals met for dinner on Monday. More
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Speaker 2: on that with Michael Kroger and Holly Hughes. In a moment,
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Speaker 2: the senior economist who warns Australia could be headed for
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Speaker 2: a power induced recession. He'll join us live on the show.
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Speaker 2: And Mike Burgess is growing frustrated with the radical Islamist
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Speaker 2: group spreading hate. He declares, this is our country. Also tonight,
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Speaker 2: I have a big exclusive interview with the Belarussian opposition leader.
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Speaker 2: She tells all about her presidential run that sparked protests
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Speaker 2: across the country. She's now in exile. She's in Australia.
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Speaker 2: This is her only television interview. It's coming up for
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Speaker 2: first tonight. The radical far left socialist Zoran Mamdani has
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Speaker 2: won the New York City's mayoral race. The city that
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Speaker 2: showed incredible resilience to recover after nine to eleven has
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Speaker 2: now inexplicably elected a politician who campaigned alongside an unindicted
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Speaker 2: co conspirator in the nineteen ninety three World Trade Center
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Speaker 2: bombing in AmAm, who called for jihad and described America
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Speaker 2: as a garbage can. It's not just Mamdani's anti American
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Speaker 2: views that are so deeply shocking. He's a socialist who
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Speaker 2: will freeze rents, limit policing, have free childcare, free bus services,
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Speaker 2: and tax the rich and business even more than they're
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Speaker 2: taxed already. The thirty four year old Muslim born in
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Speaker 2: Uganda is inexperienced and completely unfit to govern New York City.
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Speaker 2: But he's certainly cocky, and he says is coming for
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump.
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Speaker 3: So Donald Trump, since I know you're watching, I have
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Speaker 3: four words for you.
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Speaker 4: Turn the volume up.
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Speaker 2: America's greatest city, New York will now face a similar
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Speaker 2: future to San Francisco and Los Angeles are perhaps worse,
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Speaker 2: and even traditional Democrats are appalled by Mam Doney's proposition,
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Speaker 2: particularly the fact he wouldn't condemn her muss while he
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Speaker 2: fiercely criticizes Israel. Democratic Democrat Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer
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Speaker 2: made headlines to when he declined to endorse Mamdani.
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Speaker 5: Today's election day in New York City.
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Speaker 4: Did you vote for Momdani.
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Speaker 6: Or Como book? I voted, and I look forward to
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Speaker 6: working with the next mayor to help New York City.
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Speaker 2: And this goes to the conflict inside the Democrats and
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Speaker 2: Sony going to get worse now, presumably he voted for
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Speaker 2: Andrew Cuomo, the former Democrat turned independent candidate. The New
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Speaker 2: York Post front page had shouted keep the Commie out,
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Speaker 2: and there was a late hour push by the US
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Speaker 2: President to stop Mamdani being elected. Trump even endorsed his
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Speaker 2: former enemy Cuomo and threatened to withhold federal funds from
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Speaker 2: New York if Ma'm DONI won.
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Speaker 3: If you have a communist running New York, all you're
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Speaker 3: doing is wasting the money you're sending there. So I
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Speaker 3: don't know that he's one, and I'm not a fan
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Speaker 3: of Cuomo one way or the other. But if it's
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Speaker 3: going to be between a bad Democrat and a communist,
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Speaker 3: I'm going to pick the bad Democrat all the time.
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Speaker 2: To be honest with you, but the results were overwhelming.
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Speaker 2: It's believed to be the highest voter turnout in New
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Speaker 2: York in some twenty years. Now. This result isn't just
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Speaker 2: about New York, but about the values central to the
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Speaker 2: Democratic Party. Mamdani is in the same mold as AOC
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Speaker 2: who's reportedly planning to run for president in twenty twenty eight,
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Speaker 2: and his form of economic populism appeals to younger voters.
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Speaker 2: Free bus fairs and freezing rents are enough to win
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Speaker 2: over hundreds of thousands of young New Yorkers, and it
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Speaker 2: reminds me of some of Anthony Albanizi's election promises, paying
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Speaker 2: off hex debt, free doctors' visits, and now he wants
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Speaker 2: to have free universal childcare. As our guest Broman Bishop
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Speaker 2: said on Monday, it's basically taxing the older generation to
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Speaker 2: buy the youth vote.
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Speaker 7: The other thing that is happening is is that the
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Speaker 7: Labor Party thinks, oh, well, the older cohort doesn't vote
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Speaker 7: for us, so we're going to punish them. We're going
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Speaker 7: to get more money out of them, and we'll spend
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Speaker 7: the money on the younger ones. And that is an
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Speaker 7: inhumane policy for them to adopt.
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Speaker 2: The Wall Street Journal this evening also made the point
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Speaker 2: that the Democratic Socialists' meteoric rise is in the epicenter
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Speaker 2: of global capitalism. The editorial says, his smile is disarming,
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Speaker 2: but his ideas are armed to the teeth. His mayoralty
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Speaker 2: may test how much ruin there is in a city.
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Speaker 2: The issue is this obsession with a welfare state isn't
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Speaker 2: sustainable in the long term, and it's destroying capitalism upon
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Speaker 2: which our very society is built and functions.
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Speaker 4: And as I.
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Speaker 2: Said, I'll have mirund divine about the result shortly. But
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Speaker 2: let's turn out to ASIO Director General Mike Burgess's warning
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Speaker 2: about the grave threats to our national security now. As
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Speaker 2: you would have seen on the show last night, Burgess
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Speaker 2: spoke about an extremist Islamist organization operating in Australia who
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Speaker 2: don't share our values and who want an Islamic caliphate.
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Speaker 2: The ASIO boss said his boteria are religiously motivated, their
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Speaker 2: behavior is provocative, their rhetoric offensive, and their insidious strategy
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Speaker 2: is similar to neo Nazi tactics. But some of Burgess's
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Speaker 2: strongest comments last night came in the Q and A
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Speaker 2: session after his speech, if I.
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Speaker 8: Can pick on his bootier again, we have to look
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Speaker 8: actually at its core what that group internationally believes in.
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Speaker 8: It doesn't believe in the open three society we live in.
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Speaker 8: It wants to replace this with a caliphate. How can
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Speaker 8: we accept that this is our country. They can do
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Speaker 8: that in their own location. They certainly shouldn't want to
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Speaker 8: do that here.
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Speaker 2: How can we accept that they should do that in
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Speaker 2: their own location. That's what Mike Burger says. So he's
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Speaker 2: almost saying there that his butcheria shouldn't be in Australia.
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Speaker 2: And he also says, as you're here now, that it's
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Speaker 2: not right that we let them continue to operate.
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Speaker 4: Have a look.
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Speaker 8: Of course, others would argue people of certain beliefs are
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Speaker 8: lilied to do that, which could change the country. Sure, however,
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Speaker 8: the majority set the will of the country and the
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Speaker 8: values of the country. Something's not quite right when we
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Speaker 8: let this continue, because I really worry about that gives
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Speaker 8: off the vibe that drives inappropriate, violent and threatening behaviors
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Speaker 8: into our society, and that should concern every single decent
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Speaker 8: person in this country.
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Speaker 2: So Burjas said there, something is not quite right when
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Speaker 2: we let this continue. I mean that's a fairly direct
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Speaker 2: call for US action. Burgess made the point that his
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Speaker 2: Butteria stretched the boundaries of legality without breaking them, but
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Speaker 2: he is extremely concerned about this movement in Australia. Now.
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Speaker 2: His Wootteria is listed as a terrorist organization in the UK,
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Speaker 2: in Germany, in Indonesia and many other countries, yet the
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Speaker 2: Albanezy government has refused to prescribe them. The Coalition today
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Speaker 2: said it is time to start the process of listing
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Speaker 2: his Buttteria as a terrorist organization. Shatou Home Affairs Minister
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Speaker 2: John o'dunniam said.
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Speaker 1: This this government needs to act when it comes to
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Speaker 1: protecting our nation and taking seriously the concerns of senior
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Speaker 1: officials in the intelligence and law enforcement space, whether it
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Speaker 1: is doing the work that is required to be done
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Speaker 1: when it comes to groups like his Botterier. What actions
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Speaker 1: has this government taken to address this risk. The minister
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Speaker 1: should tell us and should put people's minds at ease.
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Speaker 1: It is about national security, it is about protecting our country.
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Speaker 4: Now.
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Speaker 2: This is a movement that we've seen very publicly over
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Speaker 2: the past two years. His Victoria celebrated the October seven
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Speaker 2: attacks and organized gatherings in Australia, saying it was a
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Speaker 2: day of pride. They took part in the University of
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Speaker 2: Sydney encampments and were involved in many pro Palestinian protests.
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Speaker 2: It's absurd to think that Sydney University even capitulated to
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Speaker 2: some of the demands of this organization when they agreed
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Speaker 2: to shut down the encampments, and Julian Lisa at the
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Speaker 2: time spoke about this in Parliament.
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Speaker 6: At a time when the Orchest agreements require the focus
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Speaker 6: and attention of our best and brightest minds, Sydney University
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Speaker 6: is allowing an extremist group, an organization listed as a
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Speaker 6: terrorist organization by our oldest ally, to run the ruler
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Speaker 6: over every defense agreement.
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Speaker 2: But most dangerously, there's a concern that they're involved in
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Speaker 2: the recruitment and radicalization of young Muslims. They're even about
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Speaker 2: to hold their national conference in banks Down next week.
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Speaker 2: Now there are challenges with listing this group because according
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Speaker 2: to the current threshold, an organization has to be involved
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Speaker 2: in planning, preparing, or advocating terror and advocacy doesn't mean rhetoric.
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Speaker 2: It is a high level threshold, but the legislation can
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Speaker 2: be changed. If there's a will, there's a way, and
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Speaker 2: that's the issue. There is no will from the Albanezy government.
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Speaker 2: There are also a variety of other steps the government
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Speaker 2: could take to curtail their dangerous reach. Tony Burt could
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Speaker 2: counsel the visas of any members who are here on visas.
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Speaker 2: The government could use oz track to investigate their charities
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Speaker 2: and tax status. The government could disrupt their activities and
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Speaker 2: prosecute them. The AFB could for hate speech under federal legislation.
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Speaker 2: But none of this seems to be happening. Perhaps this
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Speaker 2: is why Mike Burgess sounded frustrated last night. Listen to
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Speaker 2: just those key lines again.
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Speaker 8: How can we accept that this is our country. They
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Speaker 8: can do that in their own location, they certainly shouldn't
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Speaker 8: want to do that here. Something's not quite right when
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Speaker 8: we let this continue.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we'd all agree something is not quite
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Speaker 2: right that his boot career is allowed to operate unchecked
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Speaker 2: in Australia, radicalizing young minds and destroying social cohesion. When
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Speaker 2: you have the Director General of ASIO publicly demanding action,
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Speaker 2: then you know it's a serious situation. It's time the
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Speaker 2: authorities and law enforcement act to stop the influence of
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Speaker 2: this insidious group considered a terrorist organization in many parts
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Speaker 2: of the world. All right, big show coming up, as
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Speaker 2: I said the Belarussian Opposition Leader Exclusive interview plus Miranda Devine,
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Speaker 2: Robert gott leibs In two, Hillel Knua as well. Big
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Speaker 2: show tonight. But now let's bring in former Victorian Liberal
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Speaker 2: Party president Michael Kroger and former Liberal Senator Ollie Hughes.
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Speaker 2: Great to see you both. Michael, I just want to
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Speaker 2: get your reaction to Mike Burgess's remarks. What were your
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Speaker 2: main takeouts either from what he said there offering his
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Speaker 2: speech last night.
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Speaker 9: Well, he's obviously very worried, you can tell that. And
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Speaker 9: whatever he's told the government or advice is given the government,
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Speaker 9: it's been rejected clearly. As you said, you know, planning,
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Speaker 9: advocating all the other one is doing. A terrorist act
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Speaker 9: is such a threshold that his bootterier members don't meet it,
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Speaker 9: which is why we haven't outlined it, outlawed it. Presumably.
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Speaker 9: It's why the Morrison, Turnbull and Abbot governments didn't outlaw
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Speaker 9: his booterier. They don't meet the threshold. So obviously the
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Speaker 9: Criminal Code needs to be altered. The threshold has to
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Speaker 9: be made easier, and organizations like his Bookterier the Neo
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Speaker 9: Nazis an extremist Islamist groups. These people should be outlawed
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Speaker 9: in Australia. I mean, here's what Teria, as you say,
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Speaker 9: is banned in Indonesia. It's also banned in Turkey and Pakistan,
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Speaker 9: three massive Muslim countries. Don't want to borrow them, and
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Speaker 9: it's banned in most Muslim countries in the Middle East.
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Speaker 9: Yet in Australia, these people wander around and ferment discontent
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Speaker 9: at Sydney UNI in particular, and absolutely nothing happens.
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Speaker 2: And as I showed earlier, they've got a conference in
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Speaker 2: Bankstan coming up on November the twenty third, I mean, Holly,
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Speaker 2: his speech was frank, I have to say, I think
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Speaker 2: we are so lucky as a country that we have
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Speaker 2: Mike Burgess as the Director General of ASIO. We have
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Speaker 2: so much to be grateful for that fact, because you know,
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Speaker 2: it often seems like we have a government that doesn't
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Speaker 2: care about the Jewish community. It definitely feels like that
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Speaker 2: they haven't taken any action on or enough action on
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Speaker 2: anti Semitism over the past two years. But you know,
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Speaker 2: Burgess's speech last night focused on the problems with social
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Speaker 2: cohesion and anti Semitism, and you really get the sense
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Speaker 2: that he does worry and care deeply about this problem.
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Speaker 10: I think absolutely his speech was extraordinary in those Q
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Speaker 10: and A sessions, the fact that he so clearly articulated
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Speaker 10: that our values are being undermined by these people coming
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Speaker 10: into our country and frankly spreading hate. But it goes
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Speaker 10: to the absolute heart of the weakness of this government
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Speaker 10: and how absolutely pathetic they are. My bet would be
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Speaker 10: that some of these his book to rear members, perhaps
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Speaker 10: live in the Southwest Sydney, might vote for the Labor Party,
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Speaker 10: so Tony Burke doesn't want to do anything to upset
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Speaker 10: them when they are outlawed as a terror group so
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Speaker 10: many places around the world. It is absolute insanity. John
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Speaker 10: o'donnian was spot on when he said now his time
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Speaker 10: for the government to actually step up, stand up for Australians.
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Speaker 10: The one job that the federal government has is to
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Speaker 10: keep Australians safe, and this government is fail at every
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Speaker 10: opportunity when those things arise.
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Speaker 2: Let's turn to the politics and the issues in golfing
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Speaker 2: the Liberal Party. As Susan Lee came out today. She
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Speaker 2: says she will survive the so called killing season. Have
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Speaker 2: a look.
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Speaker 10: I'm completely confident and I have a smile on my
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Speaker 10: face as I answer this, because I know that the
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Speaker 10: media and comment she does get a little bit excited
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Speaker 10: from time to time.
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Speaker 2: And this comes after Paul Sackle wrote of the pad
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Speaker 2: tied dinner her key rivals Angus Taylor and Andrew Hasty
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Speaker 2: shared this week. Michael, as I said last night, there
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Speaker 2: are no plans to roll Susan Lee this year, but
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Speaker 2: certainly next year. Michael, what do you think do you
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Speaker 2: think she should have more time or do you think
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Speaker 2: the news poll this week shows that you know it's
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Speaker 2: just not going to work with her as leader.
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Speaker 9: Well, a news Pole result was obviously very poor, there's
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Speaker 9: no denying that. But she's only been there five minutes.
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Speaker 9: To roll the first woman leader of the Liberal Party
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Speaker 9: since Mensie's founded the party in forty four would be
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Speaker 9: would be electoral madness to do anything this side of Christmas.
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Speaker 9: She's got to be given a chance to perhaps get
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Speaker 9: more public support for her from her colleagues. For example,
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Speaker 9: I thought her comments about Kevin Rudd were absolutely correct.
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Speaker 9: It would have been nicer if some of her colleagues
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Speaker 9: had supported her, because everyone's seen to me privately, of
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Speaker 9: course she was right her comments about the T shirt,
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Speaker 9: a lot of people didn't seem to like. Well, you know,
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Speaker 9: she said, if the Liberal leader can't stand up against
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Speaker 9: you know, blatantly anti semitic, you know, stuff like that
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Speaker 9: being worn by the prime minister of this country, for
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Speaker 9: goodness sake, that's the Liberal leader's job to point these
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Speaker 9: things out. He is her direct opponent. So if she
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Speaker 9: had some more public support from her colleagues, you know,
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Speaker 9: she wouldn't be seen to be leading on the front
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Speaker 9: on our owner on a couple of occasions that we've
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Speaker 9: had recently. So I think once they settled down one stantee,
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Speaker 9: and hopefully before Christmas has the net zero resolve and
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Speaker 9: she's got some clean air, she can get back onto
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Speaker 9: some of the things she's been talking about. She's given
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Speaker 9: for outstanding speeches already on economic policy in the direction
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Speaker 9: of the country, and the more she can flesh those out,
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Speaker 9: you know, I think, the better. And hopefully her polls
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Speaker 9: will improve next year, which I think they will.
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Speaker 2: And by the way, just very quickly on that T
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Speaker 2: shirt point, the neo Nazi Joel Davis came out endorsing
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Speaker 2: Alban Easy, so you know it was a mess. It
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Speaker 2: was a message that was sent to Andy.
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Speaker 9: Side where we're a colleague. Where we're a colleague.
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Speaker 2: One that about how the message was received. Holly, your
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Speaker 2: good friends with Susan. How is she doing at the moment?
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Speaker 2: These Newspole results the worst in news Poll's history. Must
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Speaker 2: be must be hurting.
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Speaker 10: Look Susan a half nut? She is an absolutely outstanding format.
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Speaker 10: She is held office in this country and government at
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Speaker 10: some of the highest levels. And quite frankly, that dinner
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Speaker 10: between Hasty and Taylor, it is a deliberate undermining to
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Speaker 10: set tongues wagging, or they are complete morals. It is
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Speaker 10: one or the other. Because Liberate moved, it could just
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Speaker 10: have gone out so stupid it is breathtaking. Crogus is
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Speaker 10: one hundred percent right when he says there, if it's
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Speaker 10: to undermine her, the first female leader at the Liberal
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Speaker 10: Party since it was formed, from the moment she took over,
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Speaker 10: is absolutely appalling. Andrew Hasty in his comments about women
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Speaker 10: maybe waking up and having a late term abortion one
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Speaker 10: day not getting access to under the prayers law, I'm
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Speaker 10: sorry I'm a mother of three and I am so
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Speaker 10: offended that this is the ascetation being made against women.
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Speaker 10: And quite frankly, someone needs to ask these blows. So
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Speaker 10: they're creationists and they think the Earth's only five thousand
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Speaker 10: years old because they are jumping so far to the
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Speaker 10: tinfoil hat stuff, it will make sure the Liberal Party
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Speaker 10: is never electable.
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Speaker 2: This is holly unrestrained by the Liberal Party. Now that
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Speaker 2: you are no longer bound, I can tell you really
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Speaker 2: fit about your colleagues in the party room, noting the police.
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Speaker 10: Party in the party room. And you know mein Shari,
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Speaker 10: I don't care. Michael and I were a federal executive
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Speaker 10: together when the Liberal Party was going through all of
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Speaker 10: this stuff with Turnbull to Morrison and how that all
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Speaker 10: played out. And these absolute silly, silly little boys have
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Speaker 10: not yet realized how this behavior affects the Liberal Party,
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Speaker 10: all the members that work so hard for the party
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Speaker 10: and every day Australians who need the Liberal Party to
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Speaker 10: have a strong economic message.
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Speaker 2: Holly, the only thing I will say is that having
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Speaker 2: spent two stints in Canberra every night you just go
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Speaker 2: grab dinner with colleagues of friends. Let me just all
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Speaker 2: they were photograph.
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Speaker 10: It was either deliberate or totally.
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Speaker 2: Moronic, and they grabbing No, they're just grabbing dinner. It
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Speaker 2: was deliberately. It's just that it is now seen through
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Speaker 2: this lens of a leadership issue, and that issue. They
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Speaker 2: would have just been grabbing dinner. What does every night
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Speaker 2: you know that you don't have food in the hotel,
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Speaker 2: you go out, you know, tek your own dinner. You
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Speaker 2: go get food, Darling, I.
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Speaker 10: Know you're cleverer than this that they absolutely deliberately chose
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Speaker 10: that restaurant they win that publicly. There's no way somewhere
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Speaker 10: they could have had dinner in the door.
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Speaker 9: I think that's holly, Holly. I think that's a bridge
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Speaker 9: too far to be honest the.
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Speaker 2: Rest Anyway, Look, I made a lot of mother this
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Speaker 2: week because I've been bringing your you know stories every night,
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Speaker 2: and I can tell you there is no plan currently
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Speaker 2: to roll Susan Lee this year. I've been saying it
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Speaker 2: all week.
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Speaker 10: But if very part of this behavior is an effort
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Speaker 10: to undermine her, every single.
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Speaker 2: Piece of it, I think I think there is a
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Speaker 2: lot of undermining going. We've spoken about that. I don't
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Speaker 2: think Angus Taylor has been undermining her I think he's
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Speaker 2: been one of those that has publicly been defending her,
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Speaker 2: but others certainly have made including.
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Speaker 9: He was what yeah, he was showing he was one
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Speaker 9: of the only ones that come out and supported the
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Speaker 9: comments about the T shirt. So good on Taylor for that.
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Speaker 9: Exactly the right thing about.
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Speaker 10: Last week backing one hundred percent. The colleagues should have
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Speaker 10: had the guts to do the time.
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Speaker 2: I agree, the disunity has been extraordinary and you never
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Speaker 2: would have seen it under Peter Dutton. I mean it
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Speaker 2: would have been unheard of. And you had her deputy
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Speaker 2: leader Ted O'Brien refusing to back her in at a
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Speaker 2: press conference. You've basically never seen anything like that before.
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Speaker 2: It's it's you know, this is why the news poll
21:52
Speaker 2: results are Solow. It's not just her performance, it's her
21:54
Speaker 2: colleagues as well. They should all be ashamed of themselves
21:57
Speaker 2: and it you know, like this, they do deserve to
21:59
Speaker 2: be sitting on the opposition benches and not to be
22:02
Speaker 2: in government, all right, And.
22:04
Speaker 10: If I continue to behave this way, they will be
22:06
Speaker 10: sitting in the opposition menures for a very long time.
22:08
Speaker 2: Indeed, I bet you glad you're out of that, all right.
22:11
Speaker 10: Michael, I'm standing in my part.
22:14
Speaker 2: What I want to bet I know and I saw
22:16
Speaker 2: footage of you pulling beers on Melbourne Cup day, Holly,
22:19
Speaker 2: so in your busiest day.
22:21
Speaker 11: It was sensational.
22:22
Speaker 10: Every bar was full, front, back, middle lounge, awsome.
22:26
Speaker 2: We'll have to come visit, all right, Michael Kroeger, Holly Hughes.
22:29
Speaker 2: Great to see you both. Now let's return to the
22:33
Speaker 2: news today that far left socialist Zoran Mamdani has been
22:37
Speaker 2: elected mayor of New York City. I spoke about the
22:39
Speaker 2: result with New York Post a Star columnist Miranda Devine
22:43
Speaker 2: a little earlier. Miranda, thank you so much for being
22:47
Speaker 2: with us again. Why do you think Zoran mum Dani
22:51
Speaker 2: won in New York I.
22:52
Speaker 11: Think a couple of reasons. One is that it's a
22:57
Speaker 11: very Democrat city, and the sort of anti Mamdani vote
23:01
Speaker 11: was split almost evenly fifty to fifty. Curtis Lee were
23:06
Speaker 11: the Republican and Andrew Cuomo the sort of spurned Democrat.
23:13
Speaker 11: They had took fifty percent and Mamdani took just over
23:16
Speaker 11: fifty percent. So it's a very divided city, even though
23:20
Speaker 11: it's very a very democrat city that democrats just couldn't
23:24
Speaker 11: make up their minds. And then the other problem is
23:28
Speaker 11: that you have a lot of young people in this city.
23:31
Speaker 11: It's very expensive, and I guess they're Democrat voters, and
23:37
Speaker 11: they rightly feel cheated by the establishment of the Democratic Party,
23:41
Speaker 11: which Cuomo represented. And you know, they've just had four
23:46
Speaker 11: years of Joe Biden, the sort of gerontocracy in Washington
23:52
Speaker 11: and being assured that Joe Biden was not senile and
23:55
Speaker 11: everything was fine, don't worry about it. And then you know,
23:58
Speaker 11: they found out rush suddenly that Joe Biden during that
24:04
Speaker 11: debate was hopeless. And then their worst nightmare, Donald Trump
24:08
Speaker 11: won the election and they blamed the Democratic Party in
24:11
Speaker 11: the Old Guard for that. So I think it's sort
24:14
Speaker 11: of a change of generation, and the Democratic Party is
24:21
Speaker 11: engulfed with this civil war between the moderates and these
24:25
Speaker 11: insurgent communists or socialists they call themselves, and just the
24:30
Speaker 11: real radicals.
24:31
Speaker 2: Miranda. It's a pretty shocking result for New York, meant
24:35
Speaker 2: to be America's greatest city. How do you think New York,
24:39
Speaker 2: where you live will change now under ma'am Danny.
24:44
Speaker 11: Look, I have to say that almost you know, I
24:48
Speaker 11: came here in mid twenty nineteen, and Bill de Blasio
24:53
Speaker 11: was in the throes of his second term, and he
24:57
Speaker 11: in the course of eight years, he really trashed the
25:00
Speaker 11: city in every possible way, you know, just the same
25:05
Speaker 11: sort of policies that Mamdani will bring. And so you
25:09
Speaker 11: just I just felt the city crumbling around me. The
25:13
Speaker 11: smell of marijuana in the streets, the anti cop protests
25:18
Speaker 11: which grew into of course during the pandemic, the George
25:22
Speaker 11: Floyd uh you know, defund the police movement and uh
25:29
Speaker 11: and and the police were defunded by to the tune
25:33
Speaker 11: of a billion dollars.
25:34
Speaker 2: That was the NYPD.
25:36
Speaker 11: We've seen the streets, they really descended into a terribly
25:41
Speaker 11: dangerous situation. It was scary to get on the subway.
25:46
Speaker 11: Women were being pushed in front of the subway. They
25:48
Speaker 11: were homeless, crazy people everywhere. I think people underestimated two things.
25:54
Speaker 11: One is the depth of the antipathy towards Andrew Cuomo,
26:00
Speaker 11: largely because of his handling of the pandemic and also
26:04
Speaker 11: of course the sexual harassment allegations that finally drove him
26:07
Speaker 11: out of office. But also I think people underestimated his
26:12
Speaker 11: quality as a candidate. He really ran an extremely lackluster campaign,
26:19
Speaker 11: almost to the point where people are wondering out loud
26:23
Speaker 11: did he deliberately throw it? I mean, as someone got
26:25
Speaker 11: to him to help Mamdani. He took ten days off
26:29
Speaker 11: after Labor Day. He's not you know, until just the
26:32
Speaker 11: last couple of weeks, we really haven't seen much of him.
26:35
Speaker 11: It was just a gift to Mamdani. And that will
26:39
Speaker 11: now enrich the whole radic larm of the Democrat Party.
26:44
Speaker 11: They'll get a lot of donations but also a lot
26:47
Speaker 11: of energy, a lot of momentum going into twenty twenty
26:51
Speaker 11: six midterm elections and beyond. And I think that's an
26:55
Speaker 11: interesting dilemma for the Democratic Party because they really don't
26:59
Speaker 11: want to to succumb to their left flank.
27:03
Speaker 2: I'm also interested in ma'm Dany's economic populism, if you like,
27:07
Speaker 2: just offering freebes, and it reminds me to a lesser extent,
27:11
Speaker 2: but still the same playbook of alban Easy at the
27:14
Speaker 2: last election offering to pay off studentst hexdebt, and now
27:18
Speaker 2: he's pushed for free universal childcare. So it does seem
27:22
Speaker 2: to be this move towards buying votes offering the younger
27:27
Speaker 2: generation things for free. What's your view on this.
27:31
Speaker 11: Yes, and not having any sort of cynicism about the
27:35
Speaker 11: ability of these big promise politicians to actually deliver. I mean,
27:41
Speaker 11: how for how long in Australia have we heard about
27:43
Speaker 11: universal childcare? This is now ma'm daney's big gift. I
27:47
Speaker 11: was at a debate for Unheard the other night in
27:52
Speaker 11: New York and it was I was arguing against Mamdani, obviously,
27:57
Speaker 11: and the other side and most of the audience were
28:01
Speaker 11: very much sort of fascinated by this childcare promise, and
28:08
Speaker 11: having seen the promises in Australia and how all they
28:11
Speaker 11: did was drive up the cost of childcare. I was
28:14
Speaker 11: struck by really the naivety of the electorate. I guess
28:18
Speaker 11: it's new for them. This sort of socialism is a
28:21
Speaker 11: new concept in America maybe, although living in New York
28:26
Speaker 11: it's pretty Socialist's a lot of welfare. And of course
28:30
Speaker 11: what Mamdani is promising, which is disastrous for the very
28:34
Speaker 11: working class that he claims that he represents, is a
28:39
Speaker 11: sanctuary city. He's promising that it's already a sanctuary city
28:44
Speaker 11: for illegal migrants, which means federal law can't apply, but
28:48
Speaker 11: he's promising to double down on that spend a huge
28:51
Speaker 11: amount of money in giving one hundred million dollars or
28:55
Speaker 11: something to illegal migrants so that they can get more
28:59
Speaker 11: free legal care. To fight the federal government, to fight
29:02
Speaker 11: Donald Trump, and to fight Ice, you know, to stop
29:06
Speaker 11: the immigration enforcement people from the federal government coming in
29:09
Speaker 11: and deporting and arresting the worst of the criminals Marada.
29:13
Speaker 2: Just in other news, Dick Cheney has passed away. How
29:17
Speaker 2: do you think he'll be remembered and will this be
29:19
Speaker 2: somewhat of a mixed legacy?
29:22
Speaker 11: Definitely. I mean you could see today although the flags
29:26
Speaker 11: at the White House and around Washington were at half
29:30
Speaker 11: masted in his honor, Carolyn Levitt, the White House Press Secretary,
29:37
Speaker 11: made a point of saying, yes, well we've lowered them
29:41
Speaker 11: at half stuff as we're required to buy the law
29:45
Speaker 11: or by statute. And so then President Trump hasn't made
29:50
Speaker 11: any comments. So Dick Cheney is not at all popular
29:54
Speaker 11: with the left and really a large swath of the
29:58
Speaker 11: Republican Party. He's blamed for, you know, the WMD lies
30:06
Speaker 11: that led America and Australia into the war in Iraq
30:10
Speaker 11: with such disastrous consequences for everyone. And you know, you
30:14
Speaker 11: really have to be here to understand the toll of
30:17
Speaker 11: those wars in Iraq and Afghanistan on a generation. Here,
30:21
Speaker 11: so many wounded veterans. Every day they're committing suicide. It's
30:27
Speaker 11: really and you see veterans homeless on the streets, so
30:31
Speaker 11: it's really a burning sore and it explains in large
30:37
Speaker 11: part why there's such an isolationist streak that has crept
30:41
Speaker 11: into particularly into Maga.
30:43
Speaker 2: Miranda. Always terrific to have your insights. Thank you so much,
30:47
Speaker 2: Thanks Sherry. All Right, busy show tonight and still to come.
30:52
Speaker 2: Veteran journalist Robert Gottliebs and Wan's Australia is now at
30:55
Speaker 2: risk of a power cost induced recession. I'll speak with
30:59
Speaker 2: him shortly. Plus, the Belarussian opposition leader in exile will
31:02
Speaker 2: join me for an exclusive interview live on the show.
31:06
Speaker 2: She's after this quick break, Welcome back. Belarus borders both
31:14
Speaker 2: Ukraine and Russia, and it's ruled by a Putin loyalist president,
31:18
Speaker 2: Alexander Lukashenko. The next door war in Ukraine has only
31:22
Speaker 2: exacerbated the need for democracy. It's a mission that my
31:26
Speaker 2: next guest is fighting. Belarusian opposition leader svet Lana Tikhonovskaya
31:31
Speaker 2: has been in exile for the past five years. Her
31:35
Speaker 2: husband was jailed and only freed when President Trump intervened.
31:39
Speaker 2: She's now in Australia and joins me live from Cambray
31:43
Speaker 2: and her only television interview, Svetlana, Welcome to Australia and
31:46
Speaker 2: thank you very much for your time.
31:50
Speaker 4: Good evening Australians.
31:53
Speaker 2: Now, the head of our intelligence agency last night warned
31:56
Speaker 2: about the dangers of authoritarian regimes assassinating dissidents. Now several
32:02
Speaker 2: of Lukashenko's opponents have disappeared. Are you personally afraid for
32:08
Speaker 2: your life now?
32:12
Speaker 12: All the people who oppause and dictators are targets off
32:16
Speaker 12: the regime, And yes, you're right, the oponents are disappearing.
32:20
Speaker 4: Oponents are intimidiated.
32:22
Speaker 12: By the regime. Were always threatened by KIJB. That's still
32:27
Speaker 12: in the Bill RUS.
32:28
Speaker 4: But sometimes you have to sacrifice your feeling of for.
32:37
Speaker 12: Insecurity just to serve to be goals, you know, changes
32:42
Speaker 12: in Bill US democracy and Bill RUS and we have
32:45
Speaker 12: to fight regardless the threats we are getting.
32:48
Speaker 2: It's very brave of you because you're a mother as well.
32:51
Speaker 2: You've got to understand two children now you ran for
32:54
Speaker 2: president in twenty twenty, and it was just two days
32:58
Speaker 2: after your husband was jailed for he was initially running
33:01
Speaker 2: for president and he was challenging Lukashenko. What has it
33:05
Speaker 2: been like for you over the past five years, seeing
33:08
Speaker 2: as you are recognized by the EU as as really
33:14
Speaker 2: the correct president because it is widely reported that you
33:17
Speaker 2: actually genuinely won that election.
33:23
Speaker 12: So you know, actually I call myself accidental president because
33:26
Speaker 12: I never was in politics, but when the life put
33:29
Speaker 12: me in circumstances where I have to protect my husband,
33:33
Speaker 12: people of bill Us, I'm just started doing.
33:35
Speaker 4: What I can do.
33:37
Speaker 12: So I went through long path and now I you know,
33:43
Speaker 12: maybe experienced politicians, and actually I have the best teachers ever, presidents,
33:48
Speaker 12: prime ministers of all the countries who have been on
33:52
Speaker 12: this path to democracy together with me. So of course,
33:56
Speaker 12: fight and with the dictatorship is challenging. And you know,
34:00
Speaker 12: Hollness is speak and very often when we think about
34:03
Speaker 12: fight for democracy, it sounds you know, very like, very
34:09
Speaker 12: interesting and inspiring, but actually this path is paved with
34:13
Speaker 12: tears and pain and losses, loss of freedom and even lives.
34:19
Speaker 4: But I took this responsibility.
34:21
Speaker 12: And I'm studying a lot and my task is to
34:25
Speaker 12: advocate for changes in Belarus, advocate for Bill Rus and
34:30
Speaker 12: European future and find.
34:32
Speaker 4: New and look for new allies.
34:34
Speaker 12: And that's why I'm here and in Australia trying to
34:38
Speaker 12: read discover Bill Rus to Australian government and Australian society.
34:44
Speaker 2: And just can you explain to us why you believe
34:47
Speaker 2: that election in twenty twenty was stolen and that you
34:50
Speaker 2: actually were voted in as president.
34:55
Speaker 12: So for the you know, Lukashanka is the government for
34:58
Speaker 12: thirty years already, you know, and in twenty twenty, we
35:01
Speaker 12: managed to prove that Lucation colst We used technologies and
35:10
Speaker 12: like additional counting of the vards and we managed to
35:15
Speaker 12: show that Lucational Co lost anders and people won the elections.
35:19
Speaker 12: And since then, our democratic partners including Australia didn't recognize
35:24
Speaker 12: elections in twenty twenty and conduct the policy of isolation
35:28
Speaker 12: and non recognition of Lucation Castrogium. So he's not percepted
35:32
Speaker 12: as president of Belarus. He's a person who sees power.
35:36
Speaker 12: He's backed up by putting on this path. But do
35:40
Speaker 12: credit countries are talking to democratic forces, you know, to myself,
35:46
Speaker 12: to our civil society. So and it's a you know,
35:50
Speaker 12: good path to support people who are fighting against the
35:53
Speaker 12: dataship in Belus.
35:55
Speaker 2: As you just said that he is backed by persons.
35:58
Speaker 2: So this is really the power base, the money, the weaponry,
36:03
Speaker 2: that support from Russia. I mean, we've all been watching
36:06
Speaker 2: the war in Ukraine, so to what extent has Russia
36:11
Speaker 2: impacted as well in your country?
36:16
Speaker 12: Talking about bill Rous, we have to distinguish and regime
36:19
Speaker 12: and Lukashenka, who is allie to put In, who is
36:23
Speaker 12: serving to put In interest, who has provided our territory,
36:27
Speaker 12: our facilities, infrastructure to invade Ukraine, and billuson people who
36:32
Speaker 12: are pro democratic, pro European, pro Ukrainian and the people
36:37
Speaker 12: who uh, you know, trying to help Ukrainians as much
36:41
Speaker 12: as we can. You know, there are plenty of military
36:44
Speaker 12: volunteers who are fighting shoulder to shoulder with the Ukrainians
36:47
Speaker 12: defending Ukraine. The Abelius and Partisans who disrupted Russian started
36:53
Speaker 12: railways to stop Russian invasion, and you know, we actually
36:58
Speaker 12: the fate of Ukraine and Bilarus are intertwined. We know
37:02
Speaker 12: that while Lukashanka is there and you know, with the
37:07
Speaker 12: support of Puttin, it will be constant threat to Ukraine,
37:10
Speaker 12: but also to our western neighbors, and the friendom critic
37:15
Speaker 12: Bilarus is in the interest of all democratic society because
37:20
Speaker 12: we see how tyrants dictators are building alliances, they're helping
37:25
Speaker 12: each other. So fight for democracy in one country is
37:29
Speaker 12: fight for democracy everywhere, and it's moral responsibility of every
37:33
Speaker 12: democratic country to help those who are on the front
37:37
Speaker 12: line of fighting against dictators against Puttin.
37:41
Speaker 2: You know, it's such an important point, and as you said,
37:43
Speaker 2: this is why you're in Australia to help raise awadders,
37:47
Speaker 2: to help you get more allies on board. And I
37:50
Speaker 2: understand you've already met with our former Prime Minister Scott
37:53
Speaker 2: Morrison and Tony Abbott, and you're going to be meeting
37:55
Speaker 2: with Foreign Minister Penny One tomorrow morning. You've met with
37:58
Speaker 2: Speaker of the House this afternoon, but not the Prime
38:01
Speaker 2: Minister as yet. Is that right? You haven't security meeting
38:04
Speaker 2: with Albanizi yet.
38:08
Speaker 12: Yes, we are still working on the meeting with the
38:12
Speaker 12: Prime Minister and hopefully we'll manage to do this. But nevertheless,
38:16
Speaker 12: we really feel uh support and solidarity of Australian government
38:21
Speaker 12: and people in our fight for democracy and it's a
38:25
Speaker 12: very important message to Beli recent people that such far
38:29
Speaker 12: roud country you know, is supporting you. You're not alone,
38:32
Speaker 12: you're not abandoned. And actually it's also very important to
38:36
Speaker 12: show Belussian Australian ties. Maybe not all Australian knows that
38:42
Speaker 12: many years ago we're defending Australia in Anzak troops and
38:49
Speaker 12: the same as now Belisans are helping Ukrainians. So we
38:54
Speaker 12: have to yeah, in the Kastushka Mountain, Kasushka is our
39:01
Speaker 12: Bilders and Poolish hero and for example, Sidney Mayer is
39:06
Speaker 12: also Bilerson origin.
39:07
Speaker 4: Sovi really, you know, have some ties in the our history.
39:11
Speaker 2: And you know, we can only wish you a long life,
39:17
Speaker 2: a safe life, and you know that we can't even
39:19
Speaker 2: begin to imagine the risks that you carry with you
39:22
Speaker 2: personally on a day to day basis. But incredible courage
39:26
Speaker 2: and bravery and really appreciate your time to do this
39:29
Speaker 2: interview while you're in Australia. Thank you so much, Svetlana.
39:33
Speaker 4: Thank you well.
39:35
Speaker 2: Still to come, the executive director of United Nations Watch
39:38
Speaker 2: will tell us just how many times the UN has
39:41
Speaker 2: raised Nigeria or Sudan where Islamic terrorists are committing a
39:45
Speaker 2: genocide and the revered business columnist who wanns Australia is
39:49
Speaker 2: at risk of a power cost induced recession. Robert Gottliebsen
39:53
Speaker 2: is after the break. Welcome back, and I'm pleased to
39:59
Speaker 2: be joined now by esteemed columnist Robert got Leibsen. Robert,
40:03
Speaker 2: great to see you again. Look, you've written in your
40:05
Speaker 2: piece in The Australian that when a central bank and
40:08
Speaker 2: a government had in different directions, there's normally a recession.
40:13
Speaker 2: Is this what you think is happening now?
40:16
Speaker 13: Well, it's not happening yet, but all the forces are
40:19
Speaker 13: in place for it to happen next year sometime. We're
40:22
Speaker 13: even in twenty twenty seven. And it's pretty simple. The
40:27
Speaker 13: government is engaged in a massive renewables program. Business Council
40:33
Speaker 13: estimate that at around five hundred billion. It's a huge program.
40:38
Speaker 13: And what's happened is that it started out all right,
40:42
Speaker 13: but the cost of.
40:43
Speaker 11: Doing it, I think the five billion dollar AC industry
40:46
Speaker 11: helping families and.
40:47
Speaker 13: As a result of that, that means we're going to
40:50
Speaker 13: have to pay more for power and that will underwrite inflation.
40:54
Speaker 13: And then you've got the Reserve Bank we've got a
40:57
Speaker 13: weaker labor market. We can see trends twenty thirty six
41:01
Speaker 13: will see some quite a bit of weakness, particularly as
41:03
Speaker 13: a result of AI, but not just that. And we
41:06
Speaker 13: need to establish jobs, we need to have lower registrates.
41:09
Speaker 13: But we won't be able to do it because the
41:11
Speaker 13: inflation will be held up by these escalating power prices.
41:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, so on that point, as you say inflation is sticky,
41:22
Speaker 2: it's now there's no forecast for it to return to
41:24
Speaker 2: the target band of two to three percent in the
41:27
Speaker 2: next six months. So do you think inflation is now
41:30
Speaker 2: going to remain higher than it should because of power prices,
41:34
Speaker 2: because of electricity costs driven by the renewables agenda?
41:39
Speaker 13: Absolutely there, No, it has to be so because we
41:43
Speaker 13: know the costs of what the government's trying to do,
41:46
Speaker 13: and that has to be recouped by higher power prices.
41:52
Speaker 13: Some of it is government money and they can write
41:53
Speaker 13: it off, but a lot of what has been put
41:56
Speaker 13: in and is going to be put in will be
41:59
Speaker 13: done by private enterpy and most of these contracts say
42:03
Speaker 13: that for costs, the capital cost of this rise, then
42:05
Speaker 13: it'll be it'll be recompressed by higher electricity prices. And
42:12
Speaker 13: you see, we've put these done solar panels and wind
42:17
Speaker 13: farms out in the remote areas, one off a legal
42:20
Speaker 13: cultural area areas, and the cost of bringing it back
42:23
Speaker 13: to the marketplace is a huge It was. It wasn't
42:28
Speaker 13: that we shouldn't have done this, but there were much
42:30
Speaker 13: much better ways of doing it than what we've done,
42:32
Speaker 13: and we're now paying a price that and we're still going.
42:36
Speaker 13: The government is basically saying, well, which is very important
42:39
Speaker 13: to do this, so therefore we don't really care about
42:41
Speaker 13: the costs.
42:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, that's exactly what they've said. They've said at
42:44
Speaker 2: any cost. Robert, Just before you go, I'm keen to
42:47
Speaker 2: ask you about the row we saw in question time
42:49
Speaker 2: today over whether or not labor spending contributed to the
42:54
Speaker 2: RBA's decision to keep rates on hold. What's your view
42:58
Speaker 2: on this.
43:00
Speaker 13: To the extent that labor's spending pushed up inflation, Yes,
43:03
Speaker 13: that's right. There's no doubt that the we got a
43:08
Speaker 13: rock fall, but the inflation rate on a purely monthly
43:12
Speaker 13: basis got up to five percent. It's just not sustainable
43:19
Speaker 13: in terms of having lower regist rates. So that was
43:22
Speaker 13: the that was the key reason. And you can argue yes,
43:25
Speaker 13: or government spending pushed up inflation as well as par
43:29
Speaker 13: but inflation was is what pushed it up. And what
43:32
Speaker 13: concerns me is this is not a short term thing.
43:35
Speaker 13: This keeps coming and coming and coming, because there's a
43:38
Speaker 13: lot more wind farms and pasolo panels we put in,
43:41
Speaker 13: and a lot more transmission lines too.
43:44
Speaker 2: Such a concerning future ahead the economy. Electricity price is
43:49
Speaker 2: no question. Robert got Leibs and thank you very much
43:53
Speaker 2: as always for your time on the show. Thank you,
43:56
Speaker 2: by the way, he's a political so that is a
43:59
Speaker 2: terrifying warning, all right. After the break the silence over
44:02
Speaker 2: the persecution of Christians in Nigeria, Hillel Noya up next.
44:10
Speaker 2: Last night on the show, I spoke about how the
44:12
Speaker 2: international community has been outraged by a fake genocide in Israel,
44:18
Speaker 2: while ignoring real atrocities and massacres of up to one
44:21
Speaker 2: hundred thousand Nigerian Christians and an estimated one hundred and
44:25
Speaker 2: fifty thousand Pseudanese. Yet no global protests, no student encampments,
44:30
Speaker 2: no obsessive coverage in the media, let alone the United Nations.
44:35
Speaker 2: I'm joined now by the executive director of un Watch
44:37
Speaker 2: Hillel Noya, Hillel, thank you very much for joining us.
44:40
Speaker 2: What can you tell us about how many times the
44:43
Speaker 2: United Nations has condemned the massacres in Nigeria and Sudan
44:47
Speaker 2: compared with its criticism of Israel.
44:51
Speaker 5: Well, if you look at the General Assembly, which is
44:53
Speaker 5: the parliament of the United Nations, there has been zero
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Speaker 5: resolutions on Sudan, zero resolutions on Nigeria. There's only a
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Speaker 5: handful of countries in the world that the General Assembly addresses.
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Speaker 5: They in the past ten years, we did account. In
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Speaker 5: the past ten years, there were ten resolutions on Iran.
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Speaker 5: There were ten resolutions in North Korea. Since twenty fifteen,
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Speaker 5: there were twelve resolutions on Syria and one hundred and
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Speaker 5: seventy four resolutions condemning Israel. So Shari, the answer is
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Speaker 5: for the General Assembly zero on Sudan zero and Nigeria
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Speaker 5: one hundred and seventy four condemning Israel.
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Speaker 2: That is just I mean, I was going to say unbelievable,
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Speaker 2: but it's not. We know what a discredited body the
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Speaker 2: UN is. But more broadly speaking, Hillel, why do you
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Speaker 2: think we're seeing this grotesque hypocrisy and just the disregard
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Speaker 2: for Nigerian Christians, and then the actions of Islamic terrorists
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Speaker 2: in Sudan and Nigeria.
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Speaker 5: Well, look, the truth is that the UN speaks in broad,
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Speaker 5: noble humanitarian language. They claim to be motivated by the
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Speaker 5: highest ideals of international peace and human rights. But the
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Speaker 5: sad reality, the tragic reality, is that the UN most
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Speaker 5: decisions are governed by cynical political deals and interest and
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Speaker 5: you know, the exception, the exception shows the rules. So
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Speaker 5: in most cases there's zero there have been. The UN
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Speaker 5: General Assembly has adopted zero resolutions on China one and
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Speaker 5: a half billion people, zero resolutions on Cuba, zero on
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Speaker 5: zimbabwek So, sadly, what's happening in Sudan and Nigeria barely
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Speaker 5: gets the attention of the these bodies. Of course, there
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Speaker 5: are some UN officials who are speaking out on Sudan,
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Speaker 5: some have spoken out, but the General Assembly hasn't held
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Speaker 5: any emergency session. But Israel is the convenient scapegoade. It's
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Speaker 5: a small Jewish state and it has fifty six Islamic
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Speaker 5: states who like to condemn Israel. So if you're at
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Speaker 5: the UN and you're you're doing nothing on masses being
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Speaker 5: slaughtered in Sudan, as we saw last week, two thousand
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Speaker 5: were killed in forty eight hours. And if you're doing
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Speaker 5: nothing and nothing on what's happening to Christians in Nigeria.
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Speaker 5: The numbers show that thousands have been killed in the
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Speaker 5: past several years in Nigeria, sometimes thirty five Christians a
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Speaker 5: day according to some numbers. Nineteen thousand churches have been destroyed,
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Speaker 5: according to a US Congressman who investigated the issue, And
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Speaker 5: the General Assembly is doing nothing, So Israel is the
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Speaker 5: scapegoat to show that you care, you just sort of
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Speaker 5: pick on the small Jewish state.
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Speaker 2: Look, you've been raising these sort of issues of bias
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Speaker 2: and injustice at the UN for a long time. Now,
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Speaker 2: what do you think needs to happen? Should it just
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Speaker 2: be disbanded or can it be reformed?
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Speaker 5: You know, I think it's very hard to reform the UN.
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Speaker 5: The powers that exist now are not going away. I
47:55
Speaker 5: think the United States now has an opportunity to ask
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Speaker 5: legitimate questions. You know, the UN is going to stay fine.
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Speaker 5: Maybe it can be a world forum where leaders can
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Speaker 5: meet and discuss, but maybe it shouldn't have the power
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Speaker 5: to adopt any resolutions. Maybe we take that away very
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Speaker 5: little good has come from that power. And you know,
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Speaker 5: I think President Trump may well ask do we need
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Speaker 5: to keep it in New York? Maybe the UN should move.
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Speaker 5: They have an office in Nairobi, Kenya. Maybe the General
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Speaker 5: Assembly and the rest of the UN Secretary General should
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Speaker 5: move to Nairobi. And we'll see how many you know,
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Speaker 5: diplomats and delegations will race as they do now to
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Speaker 5: visit New York each year to go on a shopping spree.
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Speaker 5: Let's see if they race each year to go to
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Speaker 5: the General Assembly if it meets every year in Kenya
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Speaker 5: instead of Manhattan.
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Speaker 2: Such an important point, and I thought it was really
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Speaker 2: quite courageous. When Trump spoke at the UN General Assembly recently,
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Speaker 2: he didn't hold back. He criticized the body, not just
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Speaker 2: for the auto Q and the escalator is failing. But
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Speaker 2: you know, he said to them he had solved or
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Speaker 2: at least resolved eight or so and they hadn't done
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Speaker 2: a thing. They played no role in the piece deal
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Speaker 2: that he just struck in the Middle East. So it's extraordinary.
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Speaker 2: Hillel Noya, thank you very much for your incredible work,
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Speaker 2: and thank you everyone for your company today. I'll see
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Speaker 2: you tomorrow at eight and here's poor Murray