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Lunch with the Clydesdale - Top 5 Tuesday | Hardest Movements to Judge · Clydesdale Media Podcast

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  what's going on everybody
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  welcome to lunch with the
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  Clydesdale today I have my
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  good buddy Jay Birch here
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  in the room and it looks
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  like Andrew Sten is just
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  may have some video issues
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  we're coming we're coming
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  maybe we're coming we will
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  patiently await his arrival um
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  But we are here to do top
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  five Tuesday and top five
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  Tuesday this week is going
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  to be the top five hardest
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  movements to judge at both
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  an in-person competition
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  and an online video review.
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  So once Andrew gets in,
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  we'll talk about that.
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  There's a ton of news going
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  around the space right now.
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  And Jay,
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  we're trying to mute you while I
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  just talk for a second.
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  Um, and so, uh, there's a ton of news.
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  We're not going to get into
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  a lot of that today, uh,
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  because of this topic today,
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  but Emma Lawson has joined brute, um,
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  the WFP qualifiers end tonight.
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  And, uh, and so, yeah,
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  Andrew's having a few technical issues.
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  Uh, we will hope,
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  hopefully he can get those
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  rectified soon.
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  Um,
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  So we have Emma Lawson going to Brute.
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  We have the qualifiers done today.
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  We have Tierwater Palooza
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  SoCal has announced their
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  dates for this fall.
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  Lots of stuff going on.
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  I also listened to the Rich
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  Froning podcast,
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  which actually I have a
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  really cool question I want
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  to ask of you guys.
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  But we'll probably do that
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  tomorrow when we have a
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  little bit more time.
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  So...
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  Andrew, if you can hear me,
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  go ahead and log out and
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  try to log back in one more time,
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  if you can, and see if that works.
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  And hopefully we can get you back in here.
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  So, Jay Burch, I'm going to unmute you.
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  What I wanted to ask you is,
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  you have judged in some cases like TFX,
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  you do a lot of judging
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  around local comps.
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  How long have you been
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  judging and at what competitions?
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  I've judged for five years.
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  Can you hear me?
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  Yeah, I can hear you.
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  I've judged for five years.
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  The majority of what I've
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  done has been with TFX.
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  I have judged one of the
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  Mayhem competitions up in
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  Amarillo this last summer, which was
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  which was an interesting
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  thing because I did it as
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  part of the AFJ team,
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  the association of fitness judges,
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  which was pretty,
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  that was pretty insightful.
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  And so I really enjoyed doing that.
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  And then I've done some team
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  qualifier competitions with
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  TFX that weren't the main
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  main competition.
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  Do you have,
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  are you going to be on the
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  docket for any comps this year?
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  So I'm not for sure how to work out,
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  but I am supposed to go to
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  TFX in Oklahoma City.
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  Okay, cool.
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  And so, you know, I'm still,
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  there's some of the
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  competitors there that,
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  the competition is not
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  necessarily going to take
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  them to the games.
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  And so it's just within the invitational.
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  So that might be who I'm
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  judging rather than some,
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  rather than some of the top tier athletes,
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  if the stipulation of
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  having somebody with an L one is,
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  is part of everything that
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  I've seen so far,
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  the only re the only need for an L one,
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  is for those that are doing
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  it in an affiliate,
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  that are doing their
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  semifinals in an affiliate.
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  Yeah.
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  So what made you want to become a judge?
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  So just watching competitions,
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  doing some online comps myself,
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  whenever I first started doing CrossFit.
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  And, you know,
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  I kind of talked with some people and,
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  you know, talked about, you know,
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  how I can be more involved.
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  And of course,
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  Rogue was one that I really
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  wanted to be involved with.
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  As you know,
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  it's very difficult to be a part of that.
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  But I wanted to figure out
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  how I could be more of a
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  part of the community.
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  Having been a former coach
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  and also been a referee for
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  like flag football games in college,
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  intramural sports and stuff like that,
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  I just thought it might be
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  a good opportunity.
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  And so I threw my name in
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  the hat and got picked to judge at TFX,
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  Um,
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  it's a great group to work with and
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  I've always, um, and I continue to enjoy,
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  you know,
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  looking at the methodology from
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  the sports side through that,
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  through that lens.
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  And it's, you know, as you know,
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  you've done it before.
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  It's not an easy job, you know, it's,
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  it can be, it can be tough, but you know,
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  if it, if it wasn't for the,
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  for the judges and all the
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  volunteers and everybody
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  that comes together,
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  the sport itself wouldn't even be a sport.
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  So, yeah,
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  I'm spending my time in that way.
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  Yeah, it's, uh,
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  I'll give a little bit of
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  my background as Andrew's trying,
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  still wrestling with the, uh,
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  technical difficulties.
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  Um, what,
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  so I started as a volunteer and I
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  didn't start as a judge.
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  I started, uh, in more of like, uh,
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  special needs kind of thing
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  where I just ran to
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  wherever the gopher needed
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  to go to get the case of
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  water or to hand out this or to do that.
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  And then I started working
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  security at a lot of the
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  regionals in the teens.
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  And then I ended up
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  volunteering at the games
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  on the equipment crew for
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  the outdoor field.
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  Um, and then I wanted to be a judge.
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  And so, uh,
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  I talked to Sue Burton who is a
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  big in the volunteer world
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  and she kind of coached me
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  on what I needed to do to
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  prep myself and to prep my resume,
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  to be able to judge on the
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  upper level of stuff,
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  went through all of that.
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  Um,
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  and ended up judging at the
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  the regionals um and then
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  from there I got Rogue um a
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  couple other big events um
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  probably the most fun
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  weekend I've ever had is
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  the coveted year of Rogue
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  when they did the online
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  competition and I got to be
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  Saxon panchex um judge for
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  that which was really
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  awesome um so uh that was a lot of fun
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  Yeah, that would have been a cool time.
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  Luckily,
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  I have had the opportunity to work
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  with lots of upper level games judges,
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  rogue judges.
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  And so that's been a great
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  learning experience for me, too.
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  Yeah.
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  So for me,
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  my perspective on judging movements,
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  there's two things,
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  and we're not going to focus on these,
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  but there are things that
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  make it harder to judge in
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  person for sure.
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  And that is how much space
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  you as a judge have,
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  whether there's a broadcast going on.
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  Do you have to avoid cameras?
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  Do you have to be out of the way?
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  Do you have to be out of the
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  way of spectators?
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  uh so with all of that that
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  makes things difficult I
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  remember at the two
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  thousand eighteen regionals
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  there was a handstand
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  push-up part of the workout
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  they had twenty people
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  across ten lanes and the
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  space under the rig to get
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  near the wall to see the
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  handstand push-up was very very difficult
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  made that movement very hard to judge.
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  But what we're going to talk
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  about is just overall,
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  when you're judging somebody,
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  what are your top five
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  movements that are the hardest to judge,
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  meaning hardest to make the call on?
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  Right.
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  So, looks like Andrew went off again.
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  He's going to try a
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  different mode of getting in.
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  And I'm running a little slow.
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  It's my wife is in the back
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  also using part of the Internet.
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  So I apologize.
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  But so some of mine overlap
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  and I figure I'll go start
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  with number five on my list
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  was double unders.
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  And in person,
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  it's not the movement that's
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  necessarily the issue.
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  It can be sometimes with
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  everything going on around
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  you losing count.
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  That can be difficult with double unders.
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  I think the hardest part of
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  double-unders is
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  communicating with the athlete.
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  Because by the time you get
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  out what you want to say,
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  they're already like ten
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  reps past what you just said.
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  Yeah.
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  And then they stop.
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  They get frustrated.
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  You get frustrated.
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  There he is.
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  I'm on my phone.
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  Computers aren't working very well today.
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  So we're on Jay Birch's
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  number five in-person
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  hardest movements to judge.
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  All right.
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  I heard him say double unders.
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  He did.
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  You want to finish?
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  And we'll go to Andrew.
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  Oh, I was just going to say, yeah,
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  you know, the athlete gets frustrated,
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  you get frustrated.
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  And then I guess it was year before last,
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  we had to judge triple unders.
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  Which, you know, ensuring that, you know,
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  you get three swings and
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  because you get used to that sound of,
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  you know.
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  Who did triple unders?
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  TFX.
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  That's it.
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  So, Andrew, what's your number five?
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  I went with overhead squats.
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  Okay.
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  Mostly because, I mean, it's,
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  it's a light overhead squats because you,
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  there's a big controversy a
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  couple of years ago at
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  Rogue where they had very,
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  they had light overhead
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  squats and when top athletes move quickly,
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  they do not extend the hips.
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  They're,
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  like that and not that and
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  it's and honestly it's it
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  and honestly it doesn't
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  even matter sometimes the
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  weight people don't stand
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  up they don't stand their
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  extend their hips on
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  overhead squats they think
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  they are but they don't so
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  yeah and because they're
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  trying to balance weight
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  over their head the natural
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  the natural inclination is
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  to lean forward a little
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  bit so it makes it harder
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  to extend the hips yeah
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  So it makes sense,
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  but I had a discussion with a little,
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  with an athlete friend of
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  mine who his deal had to do
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  a lot with anything where you're,
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  you're having to go to
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  depth on something and
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  whether or not it should be,
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  whether the standard should
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  be completely or whether you leave it,
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  you know,
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  to where it's more of the
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  judge's decision on what's
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  complete and what's not complete.
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  Every competition will have
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  their own standards and
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  what they're looking for.
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  So that's one thing I wish
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  they would explain when
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  they're streaming competitions.
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  If you see people post online, they go,
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  they aren't doing this.
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  They aren't doing this.
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  Like, well,
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  we weren't supposed to be
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  looking for that.
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  Exactly.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  That's the thing.
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  You know,
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  that's the thing is people don't
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  always understand.
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  what you as the judge within
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  the competition have been
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  briefed on what to look for.
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  Right.
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  What blows my mind is they
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  don't let media into athlete briefings.
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  Yeah.
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  Especially the broadcast team.
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  Yeah,
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  they need someone from broadcast in
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  there so they know what the
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  judges are looking for.
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  Exactly.
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  And they know the standard
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  that's supposed to be met
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  so that they're not
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  second-guessing a judge for
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  no reason at all.
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  Right.
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  All right, let's go number four.
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  For me, it was cleans.
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  And so elbows and hips and knees.
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  I don't know if you saw the
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  latest Hiller's video on Tia and Rich and
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  I did get the opportunity
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  this summer to judge Rich,
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  and I can kind of see,
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  because he was doing cleans
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  on what I was judging him on,
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  and it's him and Luke.
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  And he is so fast,
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  which that's the other thing,
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  is judging in person,
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  the speed with which some
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  athletes move is just phenomenal.
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  But you get it in that,
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  to looking at an athlete and
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  They could be extended in
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  their knees and hips,
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  but because they're on
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  their way up from already
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  having their elbows under the bar,
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  that they then start to
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  move out from underneath the bar.
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  And so everything is not together.
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  And that can be kind of difficult.
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  Andrew, number four.
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  My number four was double unders.
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  Okay.
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  Yeah.
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  I mean, sometimes you get so many that,
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  you know, your mind starts to go.
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  After about four, after about fifty,
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  it starts to, you know,
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  like at Syndicate last year,
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  I think we had to do a
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  hundred per athlete.
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  And sometimes when they would stop,
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  you know, you're like,
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  you tell them a number and they're like,
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  no, it's like, no,
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  that's the number you're on.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  You're, you're, you're on this number.
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  Just keep going.
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  Just.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Dropping, you know, they,
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  they taught us drop the
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  finger to know what of the
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  tens you're on.
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  Just worry about the singles.
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  But I, like I said in the lesson,
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  communication with the
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  athlete is the hardest part
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  of a double under so fast.
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  By the time you get it out, they're past.
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  Yeah.
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  So that's cool.
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  Double unders the match.
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  Let's go to number three.
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  Legless rope climbs.
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  And the reason that I say
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  legless rope climbs is in person,
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  one of the things that you
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  have to really watch for is
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  as they're going up the rope,
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  they'll start to do that
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  kip thing with their feet,
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  and they'll clench with their legs.
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  And that can be,
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  if you don't know to watch for it,
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  It can be an advantage to
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  the athlete sometimes.
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  Yeah.
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  It's not as strict.
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  Yeah, sometimes that's tough.
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  It's hard to tell sometimes
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  if it's intentional,
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  like they're doing it to,
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  or if it's just like their
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  legs happen to come together,
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  and it's a fine line.
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  And it's really close at the touch.
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  When they're reaching for the touch,
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  a lot of times is when that
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  clinch will happen.
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  Yeah.
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  And which comes first
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  because that makes a
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  difference whether rep or no rep.
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  Yeah.
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  Did they touch and then
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  clinch or did they clinch and then touch?
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  Yep.
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  Andrew, what do you got for number three?
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  Number three for in-person,
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  any four-person synchronized movement.
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  So the easiest one like is,
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  is anything with the worm.
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  Cause then if you're gonna
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  have a team competition,
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  you always throw a worm in there,
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  you know, any,
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  any kind of mostly
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  squatting with the worm.
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  Now it's, you're trying to watch four,
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  four butts and then four hip creases.
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  And sometimes they're like, you know,
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  get the little wave.
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  Um, but then the game,
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  sometimes they'll throw in, Oh,
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  you're going to look at
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  four person synchronized muscle ups.
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  That was fun.
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  And then they had four
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  person synchronized double unders.
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  That was, that was just,
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  that was just like, you're just like, uh,
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  you're just guessing at that moment.
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  Yeah.
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  You're just,
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  you're watching one person and you can,
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  you can kind of see the
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  other three when they get out of,
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  out of sync.
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  No, it's just like, Oh, so four,
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  four person secret movements.
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  This is like super, super tough.
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  Heidi Krum comes in,
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  doesn't matter if it's
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  intentional or not.
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  It's still a no rep,
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  whether you didn't mean to, or you did.
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  And I think she's talking
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  about the clinching on.
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  Well, it's that, that,
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  that's where it comes in to
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  play where the standards for the, what,
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  what the,
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  what the head judges tell you to look for,
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  for, you know, if it's, if, if,
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  if it's a quick clinch
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  where it's like that,
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  the lakes happen to come together.
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  You know,
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  is it giving them an advantage
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  right there,
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  or are they clinching to hold?
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  You know,
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  that's where the judge discretion
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  comes into play.
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  Yeah,
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  I think that's where things get messy
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  at the highest levels, right?
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  Yes.
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  Yeah.
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  It really, it,
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  you need to have a more
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  black and white line for that,
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  for the judge to be in the
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  right position to succeed.
• 19:30
  And it's really fun.
• 19:30
  Like when, when doing Legos, when they,
• 19:32
  when they start to turn on the rope,
• 19:35
  you're on one side and they
• 19:36
  turn the other way.
• 19:37
  You're like, I can't see them.
• 19:38
  Yeah.
• 19:39
  So.
• 19:43
  All right, so we're going to,
• 19:45
  and Heidi says, not really,
• 19:47
  no clinch at all.
• 19:48
  I think that's the black and
• 19:49
  white it needs to be.
• 19:51
  A lot of times you do a comp
• 19:52
  where people don't realize
• 19:54
  that if the judge isn't
• 19:55
  given a very understood, strict standard,
• 19:59
  black and white,
• 20:00
  it puts the judge in a very bad place.
• 20:04
  Because if you don't,
• 20:06
  one judge interprets it one way,
• 20:08
  one judge interprets it another way,
• 20:09
  and that's where you get
• 20:10
  the big controversy.
• 20:15
  Um,
• 20:16
  and because Jay Burch looks wise and
• 20:18
  fatherly,
• 20:19
  we're going to go with number two.
• 20:21
  All right.
• 20:21
  So number two for me is
• 20:23
  handstand pushups because
• 20:27
  you're having to watch the athlete,
• 20:30
  make sure that they lock the elbows out,
• 20:32
  make sure that they're, you know,
• 20:34
  stacked through their hips, knees,
• 20:36
  and their feet are on the wall.
• 20:37
  And I mean,
• 20:38
  it's just a whole series of
• 20:39
  things to have to,
• 20:42
  to make sure that are done properly.
• 20:44
  in order for that rep to count.
• 20:49
  Yeah.
• 20:49
  When, back when I first was judging,
• 20:52
  it was the don't allow the
• 20:54
  Brooke Wells technique.
• 20:55
  And that is the,
• 20:56
  the butt kind of being close to the wall.
• 20:59
  Um,
• 21:00
  and the best description that I ever
• 21:02
  was given was if you flip
• 21:04
  them right side up and they
• 21:06
  were pushing a barbell overhead,
• 21:08
  would they be stacked from
• 21:10
  front to bottom, top to bottom?
• 21:11
  Right.
• 21:12
  Yeah.
• 21:13
  Um,
• 21:15
  And so that helped me a ton
• 21:17
  understand that you really
• 21:18
  can't extend that butt out
• 21:20
  while you're doing a handstand pushup.
• 21:23
  Yeah.
• 21:24
  Yeah.
• 21:24
  It's just, it's an overhead press.
• 21:26
  So this is an overhead squat.
• 21:29
  They're just inverted.
• 21:30
  Right.
• 21:31
  Flip them right side up.
• 21:32
  Would they be?
• 21:34
  Yeah.
• 21:37
  What's your number two, Andrew?
• 21:38
  My number two is similar.
• 21:39
  It's wall walks.
• 21:42
  Um, and mostly it's, it's, it's the,
• 21:46
  you know, they tell you, okay, feet can't,
• 21:48
  hands can't move until the
• 21:49
  feet are off the wall or
• 21:50
  off the ground or the feet
• 21:52
  have to be on the wall
• 21:53
  until the hands touch the tape.
• 21:55
  Well, then you're,
• 21:55
  you're trying to look this
• 21:57
  way and that way at the same time.
• 22:01
  you're trying to watch the
• 22:02
  hands on one side,
• 22:03
  but also trying to watch the,
• 22:05
  make sure the feet are over here.
• 22:06
  It's like, it's,
• 22:08
  it's really difficult to
• 22:09
  watch two spots at the same time,
• 22:11
  even though you use peripheral vision,
• 22:12
  it's, and normally it's a,
• 22:15
  it's a bang bang.
• 22:16
  You know, it's a, it's,
• 22:17
  it's a really difficult standard to,
• 22:21
  to try to, it's easier on the way up.
• 22:25
  I think on the way down, it's like, just,
• 22:27
  just have, just come down,
• 22:28
  hands on the tape.
• 22:29
  I don't care what touches first.
• 22:33
  As long as you finish lying
• 22:35
  flat on the ground with
• 22:36
  your hands on the tape and
• 22:37
  feet on the ground,
• 22:38
  that should be the standard.
• 22:40
  Yeah,
• 22:41
  and especially someone moving like
• 22:42
  Colton Mertens does on a handstand.
• 22:44
  That video, I watched that on YouTube.
• 22:49
  was it on savan on kill
• 22:51
  taylor I'm like watch I'm
• 22:52
  watching those I'm watching
• 22:54
  those wall box I'm like
• 22:55
  there's no way I could I'd
• 22:57
  be sitting there going
• 22:58
  that's like he was like
• 22:59
  doing a burpee he was so
• 23:00
  fast yep all right we're to
• 23:05
  the number one my number
• 23:08
  one is wall balls hate them
• 23:11
  hate them hate them because
• 23:13
  no one goes adept yeah
• 23:15
  Because nobody goes to depth
• 23:18
  and then it's a matter of
• 23:20
  where the ball hits the target.
• 23:23
  Is it hitting it on its way
• 23:25
  up and back down?
• 23:26
  Is it hitting it on its way up?
• 23:29
  You know, is it,
• 23:30
  and it's the center of the ball.
• 23:32
  And, you know,
• 23:33
  that's another athlete thing that,
• 23:35
  you know, sometimes they don't, you know,
• 23:37
  don't hear in the briefing
• 23:38
  or whatever that it's, you know,
• 23:40
  in most competitions,
• 23:42
  it's the ball has to go up
• 23:43
  and hit the target on the way up.
• 23:46
  not kind of loop and then
• 23:47
  come back down and hit it.
• 23:49
  Because a lot of times
• 23:49
  that's considered a no rep.
• 23:51
  Now,
• 23:52
  if you watch the CrossFit video of a
• 23:57
  wall ball on YouTube,
• 23:59
  there's one of those that
• 24:00
  it does go up and then come
• 24:02
  back down and hits the target.
• 24:05
  And so I can understand why
• 24:06
  they might think that that's a rep.
• 24:10
  But, yeah,
• 24:11
  getting to depth is the hardest
• 24:13
  for a lot of them.
• 24:16
  Again,
• 24:16
  I've been briefed at different
• 24:18
  competitions where they
• 24:19
  allow the loop of the ball.
• 24:22
  Right.
• 24:23
  Yeah.
• 24:23
  Yeah.
• 24:23
  So that's what makes it difficult, too,
• 24:24
  is there are multiple
• 24:26
  standards across different competitions.
• 24:29
  Right.
• 24:30
  But the biggest favor any
• 24:31
  competition director can do
• 24:33
  is to set up that wall ball
• 24:35
  target where everything on
• 24:38
  the target is above the
• 24:40
  ten-foot or nine-foot line.
• 24:42
  Right.
• 24:42
  Yeah.
• 24:42
  Yeah.
• 24:46
  So the people that say you
• 24:49
  have to hit the center of
• 24:50
  the target because the way that's set up,
• 24:52
  that makes things so,
• 24:53
  so much more difficult.
• 24:54
  Yeah.
• 24:57
  Above the line,
• 24:58
  just like hit it above the line.
• 24:59
  Yep.
• 25:00
  Where if they put it like
• 25:01
  the nine foot mark right at
• 25:02
  the bottom of the target, then every,
• 25:05
  and it hits anything on that face,
• 25:07
  then it's good.
• 25:11
  Yeah.
• 25:11
  Heidi, I never go to depth.
• 25:13
  Why would I?
• 25:17
  That is why the squad is a
• 25:18
  foundational movement.
• 25:20
  That's true.
• 25:22
  The hardest part for wall
• 25:23
  balls for me is that my neck hurts.
• 25:30
  Especially if it's a lot.
• 25:32
  If you're far enough away,
• 25:33
  you don't have to do it as much.
• 25:36
  You can step back a little bit.
• 25:37
  That's...
• 25:39
  Yeah.
• 25:39
  It's I've heard some, some head judges,
• 25:43
  no team leads say like,
• 25:44
  especially if something's being on video,
• 25:46
  they don't,
• 25:47
  they don't want to see that a
• 25:48
  judge going doing, doing,
• 25:51
  doing any kind of head bobs
• 25:52
  because it just looks,
• 25:54
  it looks strange on, on, on, on TV.
• 25:58
  Yeah.
• 25:58
  Like the row of double under judges going.
• 26:03
  Well, you know, that's Josh,
• 26:05
  Josh Scott talking about, um,
• 26:09
  proximity to athletes and other judges and,
• 26:13
  you know,
• 26:13
  having like twenty lanes and all
• 26:17
  at the same time,
• 26:18
  you're all right there
• 26:19
  together and they're doing wall balls and,
• 26:22
  you know,
• 26:22
  they drop the ball on you or whatever.
• 26:24
  And then whenever you're
• 26:25
  talking about handstand
• 26:26
  pushups or wall walks,
• 26:28
  there's been so many times
• 26:29
  I nearly got kicked or seen
• 26:31
  other judges get kicked
• 26:32
  because you're just right there together.
• 26:34
  Yeah.
• 26:34
  Yeah.
• 26:36
  uh corey leonard legends my
• 26:38
  judge thanked me for
• 26:39
  hitting depth on my wall
• 26:40
  balls proud moment right
• 26:41
  there all right uh so
• 26:45
  andrew what's your number
• 26:46
  one uh my number one is
• 26:48
  chin over bar pull-ups okay
• 26:51
  it's like whether it's
• 26:52
  kipping no or the dreaded
• 26:55
  strict pull-up that a lot
• 26:57
  of palooza did and two
• 26:59
  years ago for the rain
• 27:02
  It's just you're not in a
• 27:04
  good position to ever see
• 27:07
  the chin higher than the bar.
• 27:11
  Like someone's doing butterfly pull ups.
• 27:14
  It's like the best spot is
• 27:19
  being level with the bar.
• 27:20
  So you can see that you're
• 27:23
  in front or at an angle.
• 27:26
  You might be able to see a shadow.
• 27:29
  You just almost have to guess.
• 27:31
  It looks like the other chins.
• 27:33
  Some people get pretty
• 27:34
  obvious with their height,
• 27:36
  their head way above the bar.
• 27:39
  Some people on their butterfly pull-ups,
• 27:40
  they're so close.
• 27:43
  Then strict pull-ups,
• 27:45
  they should never ever be
• 27:46
  in the competition.
• 27:49
  Vertically challenged.
• 27:52
  It was done at Guadalupe for
• 27:53
  safety reasons, but
• 27:57
  no judge was judging to the
• 27:58
  same standard because some
• 28:01
  judges were like, hey,
• 28:03
  your feet are moving.
• 28:04
  It's an over.
• 28:06
  The rest of your body is
• 28:06
  going to move a little bit
• 28:07
  when you pull yourself up.
• 28:10
  Your legs are going to move
• 28:11
  as long as you're not
• 28:13
  bending your knees and
• 28:14
  kicking and getting an
• 28:15
  advantage that way.
• 28:18
  It was a mess.
• 28:20
  I'd rather see chest-to-bar pull-ups.
• 28:23
  and a competition,
• 28:25
  because those are so easy to judge.
• 28:28
  Yeah,
• 28:28
  I remember I judged a young lady one time,
• 28:30
  and she was doing butterfly pull-ups,
• 28:33
  but she would arch so much
• 28:36
  that she thought she was getting them,
• 28:38
  but her chin was like just, I mean,
• 28:41
  just right there at the, you know,
• 28:43
  whenever you think about
• 28:44
  the plane of the bar coming
• 28:46
  out and her crossing that plane.
• 28:51
  And she was not happy, but I'm like,
• 28:53
  get your head up so I can see your chin.
• 29:01
  D. Reed asked this question.
• 29:02
  What is the impact of the
• 29:03
  elites skirting the
• 29:05
  standards on box members?
• 29:10
  Depends on if the elites
• 29:11
  actually go to a box to work out.
• 29:14
  Members actually see them work out.
• 29:16
  But I do think box members
• 29:18
  that watch the sport,
• 29:19
  which is really a low
• 29:20
  percentage from what I've
• 29:23
  experienced at different boxes,
• 29:25
  is that there's a small
• 29:27
  percentage that actually
• 29:28
  watch the sport and talk about it.
• 29:33
  I think the skirting of the
• 29:34
  standards comes more from
• 29:35
  competition with you and
• 29:37
  other people in your gym
• 29:38
  more than watching an elite
• 29:39
  athlete do it.
• 29:40
  Yeah.
• 29:43
  And then that comes down to the coaches.
• 29:46
  in the gym saying, Hey, don't,
• 29:49
  don't do what they're doing.
• 29:51
  Right.
• 29:51
  You squat the depth because they're,
• 29:54
  they're, they're trying to race.
• 29:57
  No, they're, they're riding like,
• 29:58
  think of it like an auto racer.
• 30:00
  They're, they're on that edge of like,
• 30:02
  how far can I push this car
• 30:05
  to where it turns and,
• 30:06
  but not turn enough to where I spin out.
• 30:09
  No, that's what,
• 30:10
  that's what the elites are doing.
• 30:13
  Yeah,
• 30:13
  we don't go down I- seventy-one at
• 30:15
  two hundred miles an hour
• 30:16
  just because Jeff Gordon
• 30:18
  did it last weekend.
• 30:18
  Right.
• 30:22
  All right.
• 30:23
  So because we're already
• 30:24
  past like halfway mark of this lunch hour,
• 30:29
  your online list,
• 30:31
  just tell me what's
• 30:32
  different and why it's different from the,
• 30:36
  we'll go back and forth,
• 30:37
  but something that's
• 30:38
  different from your list on
• 30:39
  online and why it makes a
• 30:41
  difference online to in person.
• 30:43
  We'll start with Andrew this time.
• 30:47
  The only thing I had really
• 30:48
  different was anything that
• 30:49
  has a distance to move.
• 30:53
  like no lunging for distance
• 30:55
  or shoulder runs or that
• 30:57
  only because the way a camera is set up.
• 31:03
  And if you've ever done video reviewing,
• 31:05
  we all know camera setups
• 31:09
  are people are just,
• 31:11
  I don't understand their
• 31:13
  thinking sometimes with
• 31:14
  their camera setups.
• 31:15
  It's, you know,
• 31:16
  but it's often the camera's
• 31:19
  not in the best position to see.
• 31:21
  Did they cross the line?
• 31:22
  Did they get all the way?
• 31:24
  No, in person,
• 31:26
  if someone's lunging for a distance,
• 31:28
  the judge is right there
• 31:29
  watching that foot.
• 31:30
  Okay, is that foot on the line?
• 31:31
  Okay, you got one more lunge.
• 31:33
  You know,
• 31:35
  if someone's doing the workout by
• 31:38
  themselves in the gym,
• 31:40
  they don't have someone judging them.
• 31:41
  There's no one there to tell them that.
• 31:43
  And, and then, you know,
• 31:47
  if it was a judge there,
• 31:48
  they can tell them like one more,
• 31:49
  so then they wouldn't get a
• 31:50
  penalty on the video review.
• 31:53
  So that's one thing I don't like,
• 31:56
  or one of the many things I
• 31:57
  don't like about video
• 32:00
  online competition.
• 32:03
  Kind of in line with that,
• 32:04
  the further the distance,
• 32:06
  the better quality camera
• 32:07
  we would hope you would have.
• 32:09
  And we know, like the iPhone now,
• 32:11
  the lowest resolution is high def.
• 32:14
  Yet,
• 32:14
  you see videos where people must be
• 32:16
  using an LG Slide from the
• 32:20
  to video these things
• 32:22
  because it is so blurry and
• 32:24
  so hard to see.
• 32:27
  But you can make movie
• 32:28
  quality stuff with an iPhone.
• 32:30
  The fact that they're not
• 32:34
  makes you believe that
• 32:35
  they're trying to hide something.
• 32:38
  Right.
• 32:39
  And whether or not they use
• 32:40
  landscape or whether they use, you know,
• 32:43
  the other view that,
• 32:44
  that makes a difference too.
• 32:46
  Yeah.
• 32:48
  And I liked it in the,
• 32:50
  the advanced judges course.
• 32:51
  They talk about that.
• 32:52
  They, they have something in there saying,
• 32:54
  Hey, use landscape, you know,
• 32:57
  use landscape view.
• 32:58
  Don't, don't, don't use the portrait view.
• 32:59
  Yeah.
• 33:00
  Uh, Jaybert,
• 33:02
  do you have anything different
• 33:03
  on your list?
• 33:05
  And so, um, I did, I had ring muscle ups.
• 33:08
  You had mentioned ring muscle ups and, um,
• 33:11
  thrusters.
• 33:14
  as online as kind of being, you know,
• 33:16
  kind of iffy here and there.
• 33:20
  I think anything that
• 33:21
  depends on the camera angle
• 33:24
  makes it hard.
• 33:26
  What I loved about when
• 33:27
  Rogue did their online
• 33:28
  competition is there was a
• 33:29
  very set floor layout and
• 33:32
  the height at which you set your camera
• 33:35
  and they had two cameras per box.
• 33:39
  Now,
• 33:39
  they were broadcasting with those cameras,
• 33:41
  so it had to be set up that way.
• 33:44
  But they had a spot for the judge.
• 33:46
  They had a spot for the athlete.
• 33:47
  Everything was laid out in
• 33:49
  that online format with Rogue.
• 33:51
  The only thing that was
• 33:52
  crazy for me during that time was –
• 33:56
  saxon was snatching
• 33:59
  something big it would like
• 34:01
  in the high two hundreds
• 34:02
  and like where the judge
• 34:04
  had to be like was scary
• 34:08
  you were in front of them
• 34:10
  for that snatch with all
• 34:12
  that weight and in the box
• 34:13
  they gave there wasn't a
• 34:14
  lot of room and you had to
• 34:17
  be ready to move if they
• 34:21
  missed yeah well what's fun
• 34:23
  about that also is that he
• 34:24
  had he had the earpiece in
• 34:27
  And sometimes Rob or Drake
• 34:29
  would be on there and be like, Andrew,
• 34:31
  move to your left, move to your left.
• 34:35
  Literally in the middle.
• 34:37
  They'd be talking to a specific judge.
• 34:40
  Yep.
• 34:42
  Kenneth asks, with CrossFit,
• 34:43
  does Ty go to the runner or no?
• 34:45
  No.
• 34:46
  It's actually opposite.
• 34:47
  Depends.
• 34:49
  See, sometimes that's in person.
• 34:53
  Sometimes in the judges' briefs,
• 34:56
  they'll tell us, hey.
• 34:58
  At a CrossFit competition?
• 35:00
  If CrossFit's running it?
• 35:03
  I've never been.
• 35:06
  It depends on the movement.
• 35:08
  Especially the biggest one
• 35:10
  that I've heard is like a rope climb,
• 35:15
  especially a Legos rope
• 35:16
  climb because it's such an expensive rep.
• 35:20
  That if they know if you call a no rep,
• 35:23
  they come down.
• 35:24
  That's a lot of energy that
• 35:25
  that person just waits it on, on a rep.
• 35:27
  So if it's, you know, bang, bang, no,
• 35:32
  it's like so close.
• 35:33
  Like if you think it's a tie,
• 35:35
  sometimes I'll say tie goes
• 35:37
  at a runner on that one.
• 35:40
  No.
• 35:40
  So it, it does happen.
• 35:45
  You're muted.
• 35:45
  You're muted.
• 35:49
  That's a big shift because
• 35:50
  in the mid to late teens,
• 35:51
  like Boz and Chuck were
• 35:53
  very much about if any doubt,
• 35:57
  it always is a no rep.
• 35:58
  Yeah.
• 35:59
  I mean,
• 36:00
  there are some things that are that way,
• 36:02
  but on things that are
• 36:05
  super expensive reps where
• 36:08
  it's like it's been said
• 36:12
  where they'll let the tie
• 36:14
  go to the runner.
• 36:17
  Yeah.
• 36:18
  I think one thing that's
• 36:19
  interesting is in all the sports,
• 36:22
  everybody complains about judging,
• 36:25
  refereeing, umpiring.
• 36:29
  Everybody.
• 36:30
  It is universal.
• 36:32
  People say it's bad in
• 36:34
  CrossFit because it's volunteers.
• 36:35
  I would say the volunteers
• 36:36
  in CrossFit do just as good
• 36:38
  of a job as the referees in the NFL.
• 36:43
  And there are just as many, if not more,
• 36:45
  complaints in the NFL as
• 36:46
  there are at a CrossFit competition.
• 36:50
  And if you watch any judged
• 36:51
  event where things are scored,
• 36:54
  there are people livid
• 36:55
  about the way things are
• 36:56
  scored by judges in ice skating, diving,
• 37:00
  and those events.
• 37:04
  Are you guys both members of the FJ?
• 37:05
  Yeah.
• 37:05
  Yeah.
• 37:05
  Yeah.
• 37:09
  What do you think that has
• 37:10
  done for judging in this space?
• 37:17
  It's still pretty new.
• 37:20
  So they're still getting things together.
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  I know that they're
• 37:25
  actively... At Wild Palooza,
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  they had one of their first
• 37:30
  in-person seminars online.
• 37:33
  which was really cool,
• 37:35
  having games-level athletes there.
• 37:38
  Con Porter and Alex Kazan
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  were there to demonstrate
• 37:42
  and get feedback to judges
• 37:45
  on what athletes are
• 37:46
  thinking on that side.
• 37:49
  And then they were actively
• 37:52
  evaluating judges while
• 37:55
  they were judging.
• 37:58
  So I think this is the first
• 38:00
  year that they're really
• 38:01
  kind of doing that.
• 38:04
  So it'll take a little time
• 38:05
  for that to kind of ramp up,
• 38:08
  but competitions are
• 38:10
  starting to look to the FJ
• 38:12
  to staff their competitions.
• 38:16
  So it's getting known in the
• 38:22
  space as people who are
• 38:25
  highly qualified and
• 38:27
  knowledgeable about the
• 38:29
  judging and can help raise
• 38:31
  the level of judging
• 38:33
  at a competition.
• 38:35
  So I believe I heard that
• 38:37
  mayhem is bringing an AFJ
• 38:39
  judges for the classic.
• 38:41
  Yep.
• 38:41
  That is correct.
• 38:43
  Did I see the WFP is doing that as well?
• 38:46
  Uh, not sure.
• 38:49
  Okay.
• 38:51
  Uh, maybe I just dreamt that or something.
• 38:53
  Um, what about,
• 38:54
  I think the WFP did partner with, uh,
• 38:58
  AFJ to have some judges there,
• 39:01
  but I don't know if their
• 39:02
  entire competition is going
• 39:04
  to be supplied by AFJ judges.
• 39:08
  Any other ones that you guys know of?
• 39:13
  I know I think Metcon Rush.
• 39:15
  I think they used them last year,
• 39:17
  at least for some of the
• 39:20
  lead positions or head
• 39:24
  judging and things like that.
• 39:27
  I know there's some smaller
• 39:29
  competitions that have used
• 39:31
  them to help bring in a couple.
• 39:35
  Now,
• 39:35
  I think that the goal of the AFJ is
• 39:36
  not that they staff the entire thing,
• 39:40
  but they sprinkle in some
• 39:43
  experienced judges to help
• 39:47
  mentor and spread the
• 39:49
  knowledge to newer judges
• 39:51
  that are at these competitions.
• 39:53
  It was,
• 39:54
  it was affirmed that Guadalupalooza
• 39:56
  was going to be the first
• 39:58
  time AFJ were going to
• 39:59
  judge their judges.
• 40:01
  Do you know if, did that happen?
• 40:02
  And did you, you judge there, Andrew,
• 40:04
  did you get feedback?
• 40:05
  Well, I was, I was a head judge.
• 40:08
  Okay.
• 40:09
  So I was actually on the floor.
• 40:11
  I was,
• 40:11
  I was briefing athletes in the
• 40:14
  athlete area,
• 40:16
  but I do know that they were,
• 40:17
  the AFJ was there.
• 40:19
  actively evaluating judges in real time.
• 40:23
  Like while they're on,
• 40:25
  they would watch them
• 40:26
  during an event and
• 40:28
  evaluate the judge and how they did.
• 40:32
  And they,
• 40:32
  did they give them immediate
• 40:33
  feedback or was that post-comp?
• 40:36
  I'm not sure.
• 40:37
  I think it was more post-comp.
• 40:39
  Okay.
• 40:41
  But that's,
• 40:42
  but I'm not a hundred percent
• 40:43
  sure on that.
• 40:45
  Anything to help level up
• 40:46
  the judging community is a good thing.
• 40:48
  Oh yeah.
• 40:49
  Yeah.
• 40:49
  I mean, and, and every competition,
• 40:51
  like head judges, I've always said,
• 40:52
  they've always said, Hey,
• 40:53
  if you want no feedback,
• 40:55
  I even cross CrossFit
• 40:56
  evaluates their judges.
• 40:58
  Now they just don't,
• 40:58
  they don't make it public and no,
• 41:01
  they don't always necessarily always,
• 41:03
  they don't have like a
• 41:04
  valuation criteria that I don't have,
• 41:08
  but I mean, they're,
• 41:09
  they're watching the judges.
• 41:10
  And so that's why sometimes you'll,
• 41:12
  you'll hear judges not
• 41:14
  coming back next year, no,
• 41:17
  in the following year.
• 41:18
  And,
• 41:21
  Yeah.
• 41:21
  When I did the two thousand
• 41:22
  eighteen regionals,
• 41:23
  we were judged or we were evaluated.
• 41:27
  Top twenty take the floor.
• 41:28
  Next twenty are the backup
• 41:30
  judges on the sidelines.
• 41:32
  And then the other forty
• 41:33
  were did not have to come on Sunday.
• 41:38
  And that was during the regional days.
• 41:40
  So you start the weekend
• 41:41
  with eighty judges for Friday,
• 41:44
  Saturday and then Sunday.
• 41:46
  It's down to the top forty.
• 41:50
  With the top twenty only
• 41:51
  taking the floor and the
• 41:53
  next twenty being the
• 41:54
  backup counters and judges
• 41:57
  in what would be the media pit.
• 42:01
  Just kind of crouched down
• 42:04
  having a lane themselves to
• 42:05
  judge from there.
• 42:07
  And I don't even know if
• 42:08
  people know that even happens.
• 42:10
  I don't, yeah.
• 42:10
  I mean, cause they, they don't,
• 42:12
  they don't make it public, you know,
• 42:13
  they don't necessarily, they won't,
• 42:14
  they won't come to you across it.
• 42:17
  In my experience,
• 42:17
  they never like after
• 42:19
  across the company didn't
• 42:19
  come to me and said, Hey, here,
• 42:21
  here's your evaluation.
• 42:22
  Right.
• 42:23
  It's more like, Hey,
• 42:24
  like you go to the head judge and say,
• 42:26
  Hey, can I get some feedback?
• 42:28
  Yeah.
• 42:30
  And for them, like sometimes it's tough.
• 42:32
  No head judges there.
• 42:33
  They're not necessarily
• 42:34
  always looking at individual judges.
• 42:35
  That's more up to the team leads.
• 42:38
  If they have people split into teams,
• 42:40
  The head judges kind of rely
• 42:42
  on them for the feedback
• 42:44
  because they're actively watching like,
• 42:46
  no, ten judges.
• 42:47
  Like, that's my team.
• 42:48
  I'm going to watch these ten
• 42:49
  people and pass the feedback up.
• 42:52
  We didn't get a written evaluation,
• 42:53
  but you knew if you were
• 42:54
  top twenty or the next
• 42:55
  twenty and you knew if you
• 42:57
  were bottom forty.
• 42:58
  And throughout the weekend,
• 43:01
  you would tell you, hey, try this or hey,
• 43:04
  try that.
• 43:05
  And of course,
• 43:05
  if something was going down on the floor,
• 43:07
  you got tapped on the
• 43:08
  shoulder by the head judge.
• 43:09
  Look for this or you need to
• 43:11
  look for that or whatever.
• 43:13
  You do get those feedbacks immediately.
• 43:16
  But then at the end of the weekend,
• 43:18
  it's that that's all you
• 43:20
  knew back in those days.
• 43:21
  Yeah.
• 43:23
  Well, cool guys.
• 43:24
  Well,
• 43:24
  thank you so much for jumping on with
• 43:26
  me today.
• 43:28
  Yeah, no problem.
• 43:31
  Yeah.
• 43:31
  Got to highlight the judges.
• 43:32
  You guys work hard out there.
• 43:33
  Try to.
• 43:37
  Well guys,
• 43:37
  our lunch hour is just about up.
• 43:39
  So time to get back to work.
• 43:40
  You hooligans.
• 43:41
  And we'll see everybody next
• 43:42
  time on lunch with the Clydesdale.
• 43:44
  Bye guys.
• 43:45
  See ya.