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The Occult Rejects Live- The Planets and Kabballah · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: What What's gonna happen?
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 2: Help? Welcome to the Occult Rejects. I got a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of rejects with us here today and no Georgina Rose. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 2: she decided to cancel about a twenty minutes before the show.
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  Speaker 2: I guess she wasn't too intimidated by the people that
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  Speaker 2: are on the show. She needed to vet them and
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  Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah. And because I said fuck twice
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  Speaker 2: because I was a little upset, she basically said, go
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  Speaker 2: fuck yourself now. She decided not to do the show
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  Speaker 2: at all. So unfortunately, Uh, sorry everybody. I thought she'd
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  Speaker 2: be coming on, but she's not. I guess she's scared
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  Speaker 2: of the Occult rejects. I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: So we're gonna kick it anyway.
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  Speaker 2: Fuck it. We're all here. So, uh, we got somebody
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  Speaker 2: else new with us today. I was very, very excited
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  Speaker 2: to get this woman on. She was in the oto
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  Speaker 2: with me. We did a lot of we did two
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  Speaker 2: initiations together. We spent a lot of time together at
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  Speaker 2: that place with other people that we were very close to. Uh.
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  Speaker 2: We even did a class together there on Zoom did
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  Speaker 2: you forget about that.
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  Speaker 3: Judith is Sigils class.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah we did that.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 3: I just had to say.
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  Speaker 2: It was like, you know, one of the few real
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  Speaker 2: friends that I had in the Oto, and she was
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  Speaker 2: always just you know, a good person.
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  Speaker 3: So I wanted to get her on.
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  Speaker 2: I thought, you know, Georgina Rose was coming on and
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  Speaker 2: she had shown up at two Really Lodge a few times,
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  Speaker 2: and I thought maybe Judith had met her or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: I just wanted to give her that chance to meet
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  Speaker 2: the woman. And uh, I figured, fuck it, let me see.
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  Speaker 2: Uh you know, if I can get Judith on and
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  Speaker 2: she was able to, I hit her up. It's been
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  Speaker 2: a while, it's been fucking years. Actually, you're like.
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  Speaker 3: Yo, you just disap here, dude.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, yo, I had a weird magical experience
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  Speaker 2: and the OTO was weiring me out, so I just balanced.
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  Speaker 2: I just didn't know what to do, but yeah I did.
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  Speaker 2: I did basically just disappear. But uh yeah, we got
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  Speaker 2: her on, and Judith. Please let everybody you know, like
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  Speaker 2: what your dealer is. I know, you have your own channel.
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  Speaker 2: It's not really based on magic, but you know, you
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  Speaker 2: can plug whatever you like.
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  Speaker 4: Uh I I go by the loan, but Ji Swanson
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  Speaker 4: and yes, I I do have my own channel, and
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  Speaker 4: my channel is based on basically, uh more like self awareness,
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  Speaker 4: not into high magic, even though I still still into it.
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  Speaker 4: I'm still into it, but uh yeah, it's still loan.
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  Speaker 5: It's called a loan.
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  Speaker 6: Uh.
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  Speaker 5: I guess I'll share that link later on with Unick.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, if you give me the link, I could
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  Speaker 2: put it down in the show notes for sure. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but go check out that channel, and uh, you know,
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  Speaker 2: hopefully if things work out right, I would like to
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  Speaker 2: get you more and more offen with those students, so
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  Speaker 2: that'd be funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah, even just bullshit and
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  Speaker 2: had about the experiences that we've had.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, there's so many things we can talk about.
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  Speaker 2: And finally, next we got the Headless Giant.
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  Speaker 3: My boy, what is going on?
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  Speaker 2: Sir?
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  Speaker 3: How are you?
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  Speaker 7: How you doing?
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  Speaker 8: You can find me on YouTube and everything else. It'd
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  Speaker 8: be interesting to get some stories out of YouTube. So
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  Speaker 8: let's see where we're going to them.
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  Speaker 2: All right, And then we have Arrowsop Arrows show it up.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm so sorry.
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  Speaker 3: I know you're really excited for this one. That's why
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  Speaker 3: I feel bad.
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  Speaker 9: I was so excited for this, but that's all right.
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  Speaker 9: I'm still happy to be here with you guys, Always
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  Speaker 9: happy to be here with you guys. You guys are
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  Speaker 9: great friends. But yes, you can find me on YouTube
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  Speaker 9: at aerowsup and you can find me on Twitter at
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  Speaker 9: arrowst those. I post a lot of astrological things and
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  Speaker 9: her medic and neo platonist things. I'm coming out with
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  Speaker 9: a new video Assume that I'm really excited about about
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  Speaker 9: Chaos Versus Order and uh yeah, so there's gonna be
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  Speaker 9: some neo platonism in there.
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  Speaker 3: There's gonna be here, so.
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  Speaker 9: You know, o Cyrus raw Typhon really excited about it.
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  Speaker 9: Check that out hopefully Thursday or Friday.
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  Speaker 2: Very nice, nice, awesome. Yeah, definitely check a look out
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  Speaker 2: for that. And if you haven't listened to the other
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  Speaker 2: stuff that she has done on the show, I think
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  Speaker 2: you even have that up on your YouTube, correct.
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  Speaker 9: Yes, yep, I have some of those old presentations that
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  Speaker 9: I did.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so if you want to go over to her
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  Speaker 2: channel and check out some of the work she's on
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  Speaker 2: the Legal REJACX Fucking Bangers.
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  Speaker 3: They were so good, That's why I brought around the
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  Speaker 3: t the team. So check it out.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, that's right after me Monday, and I didn't want
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  Speaker 2: to put you on the spot, but I think Hella
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  Speaker 2: said you might have been able to come on this
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  Speaker 2: Thursday again with us on the mailbay. Yes, yeah, that
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  Speaker 2: was actually fun when you joined this. I had a
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  Speaker 2: good time, so look forward.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah it was and hopefully we get some mail, send
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  Speaker 9: us mail.
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  Speaker 2: Right, That's what I was even saying before.
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  Speaker 3: I've even said that before.
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  Speaker 2: And it's like I'm not even trying to brag, but
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  Speaker 2: it's like, yo, when you look at like if I
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  Speaker 2: was like to show the numbers how many people listen
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  Speaker 2: to the show and the fact that we get no mail,
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  Speaker 2: it's like it's fucking weird.
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  Speaker 3: Actually, like I was saying to.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody else, like you know when I was I've said
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  Speaker 2: this to Jim plenty of times, like I have this
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  Speaker 2: obsession with like wanting to change the way Thlima is
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  Speaker 2: seen before I die. And I did tell him, I
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  Speaker 2: was like, you know, the show already has more people
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  Speaker 2: listening to it than he's even even in the fucking
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  Speaker 2: oto at this point. So like when you're finding yourself
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  Speaker 2: in that position, like could be possible to pull that off,
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  Speaker 2: but like that's what It's like, come on, send us
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  Speaker 2: some fucking mail man. What the fuck?
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  Speaker 3: I'm even offering to send out free stickers.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sending you a seventy something something that would have
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  Speaker 2: a sense stamp.
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  Speaker 3: Plus the course of the stick is for you just to.
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  Speaker 2: Send us an email with your address and they I'll
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  Speaker 2: send you for some free stickers.
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  Speaker 3: So come on, man, all.
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  Speaker 8: Right, I think it's a conspiracy of all these other shows.
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  Speaker 8: They actually write their own emails to themselves, so this
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  Speaker 8: is actually the norm. Paranormal experiences are not that common.
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  Speaker 1: So.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly right, I mean, or even weird dreams. Fuck, I
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  Speaker 2: mean that. I'll be totally honest with you. I'm surprised
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  Speaker 2: we haven't just had bullshit sent to It's just being like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I'll get some free stickers out of a bullshit story,
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, just go in to chat GBT.
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  Speaker 2: Just be like, I need a bullshit story for a
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  Speaker 2: paranormal tale for the Occult Rejex podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Fuck.
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  Speaker 2: That's now we're gonnaet CHADGBT stories. Fuck all right, I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna shut up, Jen, go ahead, please.
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  Speaker 10: Yo, what is boss mister ninety three? The true ninety three?
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  Speaker 10: And I just want to say so that's too bad
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  Speaker 10: about Georgina. But I'm I'm actually excited to be on
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  Speaker 10: with all of you guys, and I have read her book,
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  Speaker 10: and as like someone who has a journeyed the suffering myself,
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  Speaker 10: I feel like I'm fully capable of to talk about it,
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  Speaker 10: and or we'll just talk about like Macaba journeys in general.
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  Speaker 10: And obviously, if you really are interested in all the
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  Speaker 10: work that we've done on Rejects, you can listen to
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  Speaker 10: Matt Murra, Joshua the Branch and of course Solar Exile me.
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  Speaker 1: Do our have done the Kabala series.
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  Speaker 10: We've done all the speculative Cabala hundreds of hours on
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  Speaker 10: the Gray Lodge, as well as my show. And my
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  Speaker 10: show is really outpouring of Nick's show, not because it
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  Speaker 10: started because I started coming on Rejects, but it was
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  Speaker 10: really because Nick let me kind of train quote unquote
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  Speaker 10: as a podcaster, as an occult podcaster and meet fucking
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  Speaker 10: cool people.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say that for it.
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  Speaker 10: I'm sorry, Nick, And so that's really so I would
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  Speaker 10: consider myself like part of the I'm part of the
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  Speaker 10: nebula of rejects in like a small way, and definitely
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  Speaker 10: the Gray Lodge is absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: Like a little brother show.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, I love that, Ijax. I've wanted to say
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  Speaker 2: that before, but I never I wasn't sure how you
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  Speaker 2: would take that. But I do look at it as
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  Speaker 2: like a brotherlike it's almost like, you know, an extension
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  Speaker 2: of the occult rejecs.
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  Speaker 10: I would it's absolutely an extension of o'call rejects the
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  Speaker 10: Gray Lodge because it developed out of the idea of
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  Speaker 10: doing panel because I, I mean, I have my own show,
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  Speaker 10: so I don't like, you know, I can do whatever
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  Speaker 10: I want on that feed. But then to do like
• 8:37
  Speaker 10: the thing with we all for we're hierarchical, we're trying
• 8:40
  Speaker 10: to we're trying that out and you know, I have
• 8:42
  Speaker 10: to be the boss a little bit, but it just
• 8:44
  Speaker 10: do more, you know, like creative decisions and then Maths
• 8:47
  Speaker 10: are webmaster, and then the other two bring like so
• 8:50
  Speaker 10: much knowledge. So it's been a really exciting, like the
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  Speaker 10: last three years Nick, to do this with you has
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  Speaker 10: been like really great and thank you so much, and
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  Speaker 10: you've really let me allowed me to meet exceptionally interesting
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  Speaker 10: you know, my favorite things American magicians. Anyways, So all
• 9:05
  Speaker 10: if people are going to get mad at me, They're
• 9:06
  Speaker 10: going to say, I love bombing you.
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  Speaker 1: But that's okay.
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  Speaker 10: So I just want to say thank you to Matt
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  Speaker 10: Murra and Joshua the Branch of course, who are my brothers.
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  Speaker 1: And the Gray Lodge.
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  Speaker 10: I didn't know this until two days ago, but the
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  Speaker 10: Gray Lodge was actually the name of a chaote podcast
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  Speaker 10: from the early two thousands that was doing aonic work.
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  Speaker 10: So you were saying, like, how Nick, you wanted to
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  Speaker 10: sort of change the nature of Telema. Well, I think
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  Speaker 10: in a lot of ways, like the show that you've created,
• 9:35
  Speaker 10: and then the shows that like I've gone and done,
• 9:37
  Speaker 10: and then obviously like even like Headless and Arrows, like
• 9:40
  Speaker 10: they're doing their like more hellenic stuff, and I think
• 9:43
  Speaker 10: that that's it's all sort of inter working parts of
• 9:46
  Speaker 10: like we're all working on we're all doing aonic work.
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  Speaker 10: We're just sort of looking at our individual sort of
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  Speaker 10: lenses of it. And of course I obviously I'm one,
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  Speaker 10: this is my thing I'm known for as am of
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  Speaker 10: the Daughter, so that would have never come into wish.
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  Speaker 10: I think I always had the idea, but I think
• 10:02
  Speaker 10: I mean, I definitely did have the idea, but I
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  Speaker 10: was like, this is it? It came into manifestation through
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  Speaker 10: the show. So that's a great work and I owe
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  Speaker 10: that to you, so thank you, Nick. And if you
• 10:12
  Speaker 10: want to check me out, check me out at Wukan Reborn,
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  Speaker 10: w uk O and g Reborn or at Threshold Saints
• 10:17
  Speaker 10: on IG and Twitter. I did drop an episode with
• 10:20
  Speaker 10: brother Greg Kaminski from a culture personality. I know, we
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  Speaker 10: just did a show with him as well on Rejects,
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  Speaker 10: but I did a like a one on one sort
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  Speaker 10: of like Tondraic Buddhist conversation, very discursive, very high IQ.
• 10:33
  Speaker 10: Even I had a hard time keeping up sometimes and
• 10:35
  Speaker 10: it was really great. And I have a really amazing
• 10:38
  Speaker 10: interview with the writer Joe Nelly, who's also known as
• 10:41
  Speaker 10: Pill Leader. He's very he's kind of controversial if you've
• 10:44
  Speaker 10: ever seen his reels on IG safe sleazy. So but anyways,
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  Speaker 10: I have an interview with him coming out and lots
• 10:52
  Speaker 10: of stuff coming up.
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  Speaker 1: So just keep him and keep him, you know, keep
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  Speaker 1: watch his face.
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  Speaker 2: I guess.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much all of you, and I'm really
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  Speaker 1: excited to meet you to at Fustball. Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: I was really excited to get a round, but uh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: thank you very much. And I appreciate all the kind words,
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  Speaker 2: but uh, you know you said something like the aon
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  Speaker 2: or whatever. Uh, you have to keep going on about
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  Speaker 2: what I was saying earlier. But like you know what,
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to push the idea with the OTO, but
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  Speaker 2: not even so much the OTO. Even in a lot
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  Speaker 2: of occult orders, the people that are the faces of them,
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  Speaker 2: they're getting old. Just keep it real. Lon Milo is
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  Speaker 2: in fucking at Spring Chicken anymore. James Wasserman wasn't. He's
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  Speaker 2: passed away. Unfortunately, they're not gonna have too many big
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  Speaker 2: faces or some of these orders anymore. Eventually, the old
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  Speaker 2: Aon is gonna die regardless, and people are going to
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  Speaker 2: have to step up and start being coming a face
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  Speaker 2: or doing something with it if they want to. So,
• 11:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, just even like what you're saying, I mean
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  Speaker 2: even that you know, we're talking about going from one
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  Speaker 2: to a on to the next in so many ways,
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  Speaker 2: I'd even see like even the voices of the faces
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  Speaker 2: of what of what things can be is gonna change,
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  Speaker 2: you know, or has possibility.
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  Speaker 3: That's the possibility to.
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  Speaker 10: Sorry about that, No, go ahead, We're leaving the institutional frame.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I end up.
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  Speaker 10: The daughter is we're leaving both the long House and
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  Speaker 10: the institutional frame, so you know, the sons and daughters
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  Speaker 10: we get to remake it. So let's remake it in
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  Speaker 10: a cool fucking way.
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  Speaker 3: I want to get a little bit more nerdy and
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  Speaker 3: sciencey about it.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, I like Lon Milo, but his his stories it's
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  Speaker 2: just like, well my opinion, I think they're deeply it coulded,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, you know, funny stories about Grandpa fucking
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  Speaker 2: around with the magic isn't too deep, you know what
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying. But whatever, not trying to shit on the guy,
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  Speaker 2: but I would like, I just think there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of magic, regardless if it's the lima that is just
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  Speaker 2: kind of not looked at, like too intelligently right now.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah, I got to catch up with
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  Speaker 3: the tongue, man.
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  Speaker 8: I feel like it's out there. And what we've been
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  Speaker 8: doing on this show is trying to put these dots together,
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  Speaker 8: you know. I mean, we talk about the psychic stuff,
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  Speaker 8: we talk about magic, we talk about all these different
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  Speaker 8: esoteric ideas and then try and bring them together somewhat,
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  Speaker 8: you know, so you can kind of makes sense of
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  Speaker 8: the world.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I was like, even trying to do with
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  Speaker 2: like the herbs and the colors and stuff, is like
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  Speaker 2: even showing that there's even legit science behind how some
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  Speaker 2: of this stuff works. You know, maybe people may not
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  Speaker 2: want to listen to it and believe it, but like
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  Speaker 2: it's it's I hate to say it, but whatever, but.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot more involved. I mean, even on
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  Speaker 3: the show.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if Judith knows, is yeah, I even
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  Speaker 2: try to get into physiology, where I do even think
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  Speaker 2: a lot of occult symbolism and some stuff Crowley was
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  Speaker 2: talking about was legit inside your fucking eyeball in your brain.
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  Speaker 2: I actually believe that tent, that tent that we look
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  Speaker 2: at him Minerval. You have to say on after that,
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  Speaker 2: I swear it's the optic nerve. I'm telling you that
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  Speaker 2: is the part of the fucking eyeball right there in Minerval.
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  Speaker 2: I remember James even said, Minerval shows you everything if
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: you know what you're looking at. And I think exactly
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  Speaker 2: some deep shit in Minerval. Believe it or not not
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  Speaker 2: to keep going on about it, but I do think,
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  Speaker 2: I do think I actually physiology. I think you know,
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  Speaker 2: Crowley was actually talking about that and some stuff that
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  Speaker 2: may not be something you knew about the show or
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  Speaker 2: knew about me since the last time we spoke, because
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  Speaker 2: I don't think I was.
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  Speaker 3: Telling you sit like that when I knew you, So
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  Speaker 3: that's new.
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  Speaker 5: We had time to contemplate a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right now, Matt, sorry fucking taking over
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  Speaker 2: the show normally, not just talkative.
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  Speaker 11: It's so good.
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  Speaker 12: I guess this one will be in flux since we
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  Speaker 12: don't have really a central theme. But yeah, Matt Moura
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  Speaker 12: can always find me at Mattmora nineteen. That's going to
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  Speaker 12: be on Instagram, Twitter, TikTok, YouTube, Twitch, maybe some other place.
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  Speaker 12: And also, like Jin said, there's the Gray Lodge. We
• 14:45
  Speaker 12: are going to do a spaces this Friday, and make
• 14:48
  Speaker 12: sure to go there on Twitter or you can check
• 14:51
  Speaker 12: out the archived version both on YouTube, the Grady Latch,
• 14:56
  Speaker 12: or our website The True Ray Lodge with the v
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  Speaker 12: so True The True Ray Lodge dot com. Also my
• 15:03
  Speaker 12: website Caballa dot com, k A A B A l
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  Speaker 12: a h dot com lock coal stuff there. Recently, I've
• 15:11
  Speaker 12: been doing more on the side of tarot. I'm just
• 15:14
  Speaker 12: doing some cool experiments. Actually, I shared on Twitter on
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  Speaker 12: my pin profile.
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  Speaker 3: Very nice that I did.
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  Speaker 11: I want to I want to work more of that.
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  Speaker 12: So if you want to be a beta tester, just
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  Speaker 12: DM me and I'll hook you up in the details.
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  Speaker 12: So a lot coo stuff there. Again, happy to be
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  Speaker 12: here regardless. It's always good to talk with the boys
• 15:35
  Speaker 12: and the girls. So let's ferecking go.
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, thank you very much, William Barkin whatever, I
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: don't know, whatever ulteri ego you're using right now.
• 15:46
  Speaker 13: Well, normally for topics like this religion and esso terrorism,
• 15:50
  Speaker 13: I usually get with the branch, but I realized some
• 15:53
  Speaker 13: people may not know who that who I am because
• 15:55
  Speaker 13: on Twitter I warp as an umbrella scientist. So yeah, anyway,
• 16:02
  Speaker 13: I just wanted to say thanks for hosting, by the way,
• 16:06
  Speaker 13: and it's nice to meet you Judas and Aeros. And
• 16:11
  Speaker 13: if I didn't say anything else, I would just like
• 16:13
  Speaker 13: to remind people to, you know, be you know, keeping
• 16:19
  Speaker 13: physical media, maybe archiving shows that you like like this,
• 16:25
  Speaker 13: so on and so forth, because as we move further
• 16:27
  Speaker 13: into this new aon comes with that, you know, this
• 16:30
  Speaker 13: digital realm as it intensifies as well, you know, so personally,
• 16:34
  Speaker 13: I feel like we're in like a silver age, Golden Age,
• 16:37
  Speaker 13: whatever you want to call it.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: Of the Internet.
• 16:40
  Speaker 7: We just don't realize it, you know.
• 16:42
  Speaker 13: So these opportunities to share space together, whether it be
• 16:47
  Speaker 13: here or on Twitter, it's very sacred. So you know,
• 16:53
  Speaker 13: just cherish it and you really appreciate it and interact
• 16:56
  Speaker 13: with it, you know, because it's it's a synthesis thing,
• 16:58
  Speaker 13: you know, Otherwise you can just talk to yourself, right,
• 17:03
  Speaker 13: So yeah, it's special. Thank you guys for being here
• 17:05
  Speaker 13: and those in the chat as well, and all shout
• 17:11
  Speaker 13: out to Threshold Saints. Also, we do spaces every Friday
• 17:15
  Speaker 13: night or every other Friday perhaps We're not really sure
• 17:20
  Speaker 13: what kind of schedule we have yet, but and then
• 17:22
  Speaker 13: on Wednesdays I'm gonna try to maybe start doing spaces
• 17:25
  Speaker 13: as well. So anyway, thank you so much for hosting.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: No, of course, no, thank you.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: You know, I think some people, if you don't know
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: it too, like if you want to get like a
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: full night of occult ism in they're normally like running
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: their show before we.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: Have a go live on a Friday.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: If we do so, like if people haven't really listened
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: to it, you know, suggestic go check it out regardless.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: But yeah, sometimes when I'm booking shows. I'm like, these
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: motherfuckers got their show on Friday. Man, I'll get a
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: guess And I'm like a really one gin in man whoever,
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, they got You know, I can't bitch though,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: you know that you're doing the damn thing.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: But uh yeah, definitely check out this stuff. That's really good.
• 18:03
  Speaker 13: But that's kind of what we said, was that by
• 18:05
  Speaker 13: doing it like every other Friday, it opens up space
• 18:08
  Speaker 13: for other opportunities to like, for instance, right there would
• 18:11
  Speaker 13: be an example just to point it out.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: But uh, you know, thank you for coming on. And last,
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: but not least finally, Ethan in the go what is
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: going on, sir Puce?
• 18:22
  Speaker 14: Everyone always excited to share my two cents and learn
• 18:26
  Speaker 14: from you guys. And I love the synthesis and that idea.
• 18:30
  Speaker 14: I'm a writer frequently putting together articles or ideas that
• 18:34
  Speaker 14: kind of bring together the East and the West, and
• 18:38
  Speaker 14: I like to explore the esoteric and the exoteric. And
• 18:42
  Speaker 14: I'm totally an anti institutionalist, but I love learning from
• 18:48
  Speaker 14: veterans of whatever the institution or group might be. In fact,
• 18:52
  Speaker 14: I'll quote headless he may not even remember that he
• 18:55
  Speaker 14: said this. The military is full of people doing secret
• 19:00
  Speaker 14: ship right next to people cleaning ship.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: I thought that was the funniest I like that.
• 19:07
  Speaker 7: I thought that was the funniest juxtaposition.
• 19:11
  Speaker 14: UH that only someone that is a veteran would would
• 19:14
  Speaker 14: be able to annunciate. So I look forward to hearing
• 19:18
  Speaker 14: Nick and Judith your you guys experiences with the with
• 19:22
  Speaker 14: the UH form aforementioned group that you guys were met.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: Are no, thank you.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: I'm really happy you made anything. Actually I wasn't sure
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: if you were going to make it. But sorry again
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: that you didn't show up.
• 19:35
  Speaker 7: But I was looking forward to seeing her.
• 19:38
  Speaker 14: I'm I think we all have an interest in her,
• 19:41
  Speaker 14: in her work, so that hopefully.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: I love monetary stuff. So I was like, fuck, yeah, yeah,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: if you look at that. We even have another author
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: on the show. He didn't need to be vetted. This
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: guy wrote more books than her technically. Fuck actually, well,
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: I would you consider yourself almost a prolific writer? I mean,
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: you write besides books, you do write a lot too,
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: don't you know the areas I mean you do constantly,
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: right man?
• 20:02
  Speaker 7: I mean I mean I don't know prolific.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: I will you're right enough though, I mean I guess.
• 20:09
  Speaker 14: It's getting to be a pile. But I don't like
• 20:11
  Speaker 14: to that's that word I think is a little bit.
• 20:15
  Speaker 7: A little bit much.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: It's kind of pat I.
• 20:17
  Speaker 7: Want to write and I want to share writing.
• 20:19
  Speaker 14: I think it's uh, you know, a good endeavors as
• 20:23
  Speaker 14: opposed to all the other things we could be doing
• 20:25
  Speaker 14: in the.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: World, like.
• 20:28
  Speaker 7: It's the world. World gets crazy.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but uh yeah that's everybody, Thank you very much.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: And uh, I guess we'll wrap it up, Judith, if
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: you don't mind.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: Will you win the service?
• 20:43
  Speaker 11: Yes?
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: Actually I thought that's right, true, that's right, that's right.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, headless was in the reserves, right, the reserves
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: or something like that. Yeah, oh you muted.
• 20:57
  Speaker 8: Yeah, twelve years.
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: Oh to me, I did eight years actively.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: Where did you go? If you don't mind me asking you?
• 21:07
  Speaker 11: Uh?
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: Overseas.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: I deployed the Haiti once and then I served in Germany,
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: my my last tour.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: Oh sh how was Germany?
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: Germany was wonderful.
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: I want to go back, well not maybe right, not
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: right now, but I always want to go back.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: I loved it nice, nice, Oh my god.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: I would have been in awe just of the architecture there.
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: Oh, the architecture, the culture. It was unbelievable.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Have you ever been through four decks?
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: I went through Four Dicks. Actually, when you take the the.
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: When you come back, if you want to be cheap,
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: then you want to go to the Army Way.
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: You know that's well? Is it still up? Did they
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: close up the airport?
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 21:55
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: It's it's good forever.
• 21:57
  Speaker 8: But I was through there too.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Yo, this is crazy. You remember you remember, I think
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: probably from the OTO. I think I had to like
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: fill out paperwork to justify why I went to prison.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: I think you knew I went to prison, right, Yeah,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: So I did federal prison time, and I did it
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: at Fort Dicks.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: I was literally in the barrack. I was. I was
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: in the prison.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Why this man was on the other side getting trained?
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: How the fuck does that happen?
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: How did we not run into each other?
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: He didn't see me standing on the fence, though I
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: wish I was free standing at the fence. Hold give
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: me a cigarette.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah that's wild shit, dude.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: But yeah, no, I thought when he when somebody said so, yeah,
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: mentioned something about uh, the service, and I show you
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: you made a face and I was like, wait, I
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: think she was in this.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, had some gangster shit. I think. I remember when
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: you told me that. I was like, wait what, Yeah,
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: that's pretty cool.
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: And I actually try to work a lot with the
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: veteran as much as I can with the veteran community because.
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: Recently that they were forgotten.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: If you don't mind, I just want to ask you
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: a few more questions, just so you try to get
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: a little bit of remembrance or whatever. When you when
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: you were like practicing normally, were you doing, uh, did
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: you do like the lesser banishing ritual of the pentagram?
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: You did do that? You did that stuff?
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: To me, that's you have to do it. It's like.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Making.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure we all know people who don't but.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: I made.
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: But that was the wrong face. Yeah, some people I
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: don't need to do it.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's just cool that I actually have like
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: a female on the show that actually did the same
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: rituals that I did.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: Well, you also have to remember I also have my
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: background also, uh entails being wicked, so it was wicked practice.
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: So cleansing your space is very very important no matter
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: what you do to me, no matter what path, whether
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: you stay on this path, or not.
• 23:59
  Speaker 8: Well, the lesser banishing ritual of the pentagram and a
• 24:03
  Speaker 8: lot of formal uh situations inside wickup too, so like, yeah.
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: It depends on which traditions.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, It's almost like sometimes I've noticed
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: too it almost seems like a mix of the lesser
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: and the greater, because like I've seen like somewhere the
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: wickens will like holl the towers, but you're not doing
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: that until you're in the greater Pentagram.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: You're not doing that in.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: The lesser Pentagram, you know what I'm saying. So I've
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: even seen like there almost seems to be a little
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: bit of a mixed mix.
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: But yeah, like it all depends on what tradition you
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: train under, that on which way you do it. So
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: but in high magic, I feel the less benefit that
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: banishing rituals should be automatic.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, exactly.
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: Do it that will?
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: Did you did you use the middle pillar?
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: I love the middle pillar.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I used to be.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: I thought about actually doing that again recently because it's
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: just a meditation.
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: I love the metal pillar.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: It's uh, I don't want to say it's a quick
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: way of doing a chakra alignment, but that's how I felt.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, you hit five out of the seven.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: You know, what I really liked was the visuals that
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: you had to like kind of create, like the stuff
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: swirling around and swirling down you.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: I don't know why that.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: I always thought like if I got it, if it
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: started to happen, I was always like, oh my god,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: this is so sick.
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: The question is which version do you like doing? You know,
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: the Hebrew version and then you have the plymic version.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, I see. I only did the Hebrew version,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: and then I started fucking around with an Egyptian version,
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: and I only did that a few times. And then
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: around there I stopped fucking around with magic and I.
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: Found each one gives me different results.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Yes, I have heard that, especially with the thlemic one
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: and the for the other one.
• 26:03
  Speaker 10: I have a sorry, guys, I have a quick follow
• 26:05
  Speaker 10: up for Judah. Just it's a personal question. If you
• 26:07
  Speaker 10: don't want to answer you, that's totally okay. But when
• 26:10
  Speaker 10: you were Wickan, what pantheon did you prefer? So that's
• 26:14
  Speaker 10: question maybe A, and then question B would be I
• 26:18
  Speaker 10: we like for the gray lodge, we called a middle pillar,
• 26:20
  Speaker 10: specifically a middle pillar group, and so Sola and I
• 26:24
  Speaker 10: interviewed Gregory Peters, who wrote the New a on TNTRA.
• 26:28
  Speaker 10: He was heavily involved with a on of Mott workings
• 26:30
  Speaker 10: in the nineties with Anemma, and.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: He also wrote a.
• 26:36
  Speaker 10: Sort of his book has a ritual like a Middle
• 26:38
  Speaker 10: Pillar ritual, and he kind of does a little TNTRA
• 26:41
  Speaker 10: with a little new Eat and like, I didn't really
• 26:44
  Speaker 10: fully understand it because I don't have a ceremonial like
• 26:47
  Speaker 10: magic background, but I think that Nick should probably get
• 26:49
  Speaker 10: him on eventually, and yeah, let's let's do that. But
• 26:53
  Speaker 10: I'm sorry, but I wanted to know why you like
• 26:56
  Speaker 10: the Middle Pillar because it is like just even at
• 26:59
  Speaker 10: face value, for me, it's like even the idea is
• 27:01
  Speaker 10: profound rather than it's like it's not edge Lord, but
• 27:05
  Speaker 10: it's still magic, so it still has like that transgressivity
• 27:08
  Speaker 10: of what magic is.
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: I think once I tell you which which did I prefer?
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: You don't understand why I like the Middle Pillar.
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: Uh, And she's not very popular actually, but Mott, the
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: DDY I'd love to work with is Mott, which actually
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: falls in place because it brings everything in balance.
• 27:27
  Speaker 10: That's interesting because that is the that's the aonic deity
• 27:32
  Speaker 10: sort of if you use the Egyptian system.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, aren't you kind of all about mott in no
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: sense jin?
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 27:39
  Speaker 10: I mapped it to a contrac goddess called Kurra Kula
• 27:42
  Speaker 10: who wields a bow and arrow, but she's very It's
• 27:44
  Speaker 10: a very similar kind of idea. And for me, I
• 27:47
  Speaker 10: put it on Path twenty two, so the lamed path
• 27:50
  Speaker 10: because I said the keyword, because obviously Curly didn't give
• 27:53
  Speaker 10: a keyword, so I said that, Actually the keyword is
• 27:56
  Speaker 10: not what Frederichad said, which is ahava, or what Nema said,
• 27:59
  Speaker 10: which is so. So I said, it's lamed. Me'm delette,
• 28:02
  Speaker 10: which you and I have talked about many times. Second,
• 28:04
  Speaker 10: it's obviously love is the cause of knowledge, so love
• 28:07
  Speaker 10: is the way to take you all the way to die. Sorry,
• 28:12
  Speaker 10: I didn't mean to like big up myself. It just
• 28:14
  Speaker 10: was the that is the that is sort of the
• 28:16
  Speaker 10: owner the daughter like in a nutshell, that's the cabala
• 28:18
  Speaker 10: that we did for the great lunch, like all four
• 28:20
  Speaker 10: of us.
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: You have to look into that.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what I'm trying to think else too? Uh? Did
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: you ever get into the hexagram me?
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: You, Judith, Yes, I haven't got I never got into that.
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: That's usually when I stepped away a little, when I
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: when I got stuck in the Malcoo's like I told you,
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: and I had a certain I have a strict rule.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: If things aren't completely correct, I can't say perfect. I
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: don't progress. I try to fix what's going on because
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: it's usually a sign. It's like a danger sign to
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: me if you're you're not in the right mindset.
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: That so I do want to.
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: I wanted to play with the hexagram a little, but
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: unfortunately life got in the way.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: No I could understand that.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: Nice.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just wondering, did you ever do the
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: star Ruby I love? Oh, okay, start.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: All right, that's impressive. Nice, nice, Okay, that.
• 29:35
  Speaker 11: But it's been years.
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: It's been years.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, plus it's in fucking what Greek?
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: Right, So for like me, i'd have to like.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Read, I probably have to go watch a video and
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: actually see someone do it to like be able to
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: spurt all of it out. Yeah.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: I think I think there's there's a document. I think
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: there's a PDF somewhere where it breaks it all down
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: for you.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's a few about the actually yeah, yeah,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: that's how I learned it too. It was through out
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: the book and the videos. But yeah, I was just wondering.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: I guess I was almost positive that you actually like did, like,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: you know, did ritual work like circles.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: I used that everybody.
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: Does to be seriously into ritual work, but I approached
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: it as if like a scientist doing experiments.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I know what you mean, though, so I
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: know exactly what you mean. There was even times it
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: was like, you know what I'm gonna work with this,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: just this, I don't know. I guess to try it
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: out right, like it's a sphere on the tree, isn't it. Yeah,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: I mean I know it kind of sounds like careless,
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: but I don't know.
• 30:40
  Speaker 12: And then when you do that and you can have
• 30:42
  Speaker 12: both like the logic emotion thing like Jupiters, then it
• 30:46
  Speaker 12: gets It's fascinating because because then you have the basis, right, is.
• 30:50
  Speaker 11: What I was talking about.
• 30:50
  Speaker 12: The tarrot experience I can share real quick, but like
• 30:53
  Speaker 12: in short, I took seventy two weeks of doing a
• 30:59
  Speaker 12: tarot reading for the week, and then out of those
• 31:02
  Speaker 12: seventy two twenty four I did it daily, so like
• 31:06
  Speaker 12: I would do it on Sunday and then I would
• 31:08
  Speaker 12: do the week one and then Monday, the daily one, Tuesday,
• 31:11
  Speaker 12: Wednesday and soso so on, and then I had everything
• 31:14
  Speaker 12: and I was always like trying to note down the synchronicities,
• 31:17
  Speaker 12: how would that relate to how.
• 31:18
  Speaker 11: I understand the Terrordansson. But what was.
• 31:21
  Speaker 12: Fascinating is that by the end of it, the seventy
• 31:24
  Speaker 12: second week, I got all of them into like a
• 31:28
  Speaker 12: data thing, and then I made a dashboard to understand. Okay,
• 31:31
  Speaker 12: for example, what were the ones that I got the
• 31:33
  Speaker 12: most out of the top four. I got four court cards,
• 31:38
  Speaker 12: which were the first one being the when you match
• 31:42
  Speaker 12: when you make the mapping would be my moon sign,
• 31:45
  Speaker 12: my astrology moon sign, the second one my son signed.
• 31:49
  Speaker 11: The third one the element.
• 31:50
  Speaker 12: That I have the least and it was a page,
• 31:53
  Speaker 12: and then the other one my ascended like my rising sign.
• 31:56
  Speaker 12: When I saw that, I was what the fuck? Because
• 32:00
  Speaker 12: what are the odds you know? Of all those cards
• 32:02
  Speaker 12: and then those be exactly the ones for my map.
• 32:05
  Speaker 12: I even run some math afterwards with the help of
• 32:08
  Speaker 12: AI to understand it, and it was like one in
• 32:12
  Speaker 12: fifty two million or something for my chart to be
• 32:15
  Speaker 12: my chart and those cards to be the cards that
• 32:18
  Speaker 12: dot out. So when you have that, it's kind of
• 32:20
  Speaker 12: hard to say, Okay, it's not connected somehow to something right,
• 32:24
  Speaker 12: that there is something there And that's even to me,
• 32:28
  Speaker 12: that's just the chair on the top, because when you
• 32:30
  Speaker 12: take into account the synchronicities that happen, and I'm using character,
• 32:33
  Speaker 12: you can use any other definition too, you can even
• 32:36
  Speaker 12: create one.
• 32:36
  Speaker 11: It doesn't matter.
• 32:37
  Speaker 12: As long as it's based on the tree than anything works.
• 32:40
  Speaker 12: But when you notice the synchronicity is then it's crazy,
• 32:43
  Speaker 12: like you just see how there are many more things
• 32:46
  Speaker 12: happening in this reality that our five senses cannot just
• 32:50
  Speaker 12: catch it.
• 32:50
  Speaker 11: You know, you have to.
• 32:51
  Speaker 12: Really think more broadly, more abstractly, and Swanen being a
• 32:57
  Speaker 12: scientist about it definitely helps make sense of it all
• 33:00
  Speaker 12: at least a little bit so, And I completely agree
• 33:04
  Speaker 12: with what Nick and the others were talking about how
• 33:07
  Speaker 12: more and more like technology and so on, it will
• 33:10
  Speaker 12: be a thing more so than you know, what we
• 33:13
  Speaker 12: had past AONs. And you can see that happening like
• 33:18
  Speaker 12: everywhere right, Like you can see, for example, there are
• 33:22
  Speaker 12: many things going on, many technology is going out that
• 33:26
  Speaker 12: kind of not disprove but make it really hard for
• 33:29
  Speaker 12: you to be a hardcore religious like, oh, I just
• 33:32
  Speaker 12: believe the mythology because there's like literally a tool that
• 33:35
  Speaker 12: will do the thing that the mythology was saying. Oh,
• 33:38
  Speaker 12: it's all mystical. It's like, bro, there's literally a tool.
• 33:40
  Speaker 12: Like now we understand more or less how it works.
• 33:43
  Speaker 12: Sometimes it's like a black box, but we kind of
• 33:45
  Speaker 12: know how it works, so it's not really, you know,
• 33:47
  Speaker 12: like something mystical from the outside of this one. So
• 33:50
  Speaker 12: it's really fascinating to see. And the more like, because
• 33:52
  Speaker 12: I work with technology, the more you see.
• 33:54
  Speaker 11: It, the.
• 33:56
  Speaker 12: Crazier it gets. Sometimes we got to step down sometimes
• 34:00
  Speaker 12: round ourselves.
• 34:00
  Speaker 11: But three nice.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Thank you man. Oh so uh headless or general whoever.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: I don't anybody got an idea of uh what we
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: were saying, we're gonna talk about instead. I think we
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: could talk about her book. That's fun.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: She didn't even have to come here and now we're
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: promoting it. See that's even another thing you hear that
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: I get.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: I'm sure, well, maybe not listening to it anymore, but
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: I'm sure she was listening to make sure I didn't
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: shuttle over Georgina Rose. If you still listen, I mean, look,
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: come on, Jen even read your book.
• 34:32
  Speaker 9: Come on, you know hop in here?
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah you still got the link.
• 34:37
  Speaker 9: Come on, I wanted to nerd out on astrology.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: I know that was you know, I loved the planetary magic.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: That was my fucking thing and all I would assign
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: it to the Tree of Life. So I was like, oh,
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: planetary theorgy. I got plenty of experience at myself.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: I was like, let's go.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: I was like, what the fuck are really I don't
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: understand that.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: It's like, you, did you.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Watch the show before? You said yes?
• 35:02
  Speaker 10: Well, I'll give her props in one way is that
• 35:04
  Speaker 10: she actually correctly recognized that the planetary names are the
• 35:10
  Speaker 10: outermost density of the cepha, so the planets themselves are
• 35:16
  Speaker 10: actually kleep us, which, of course, if you watch Rejects
• 35:20
  Speaker 10: or if you watch The Gray Lodge, or if you
• 35:21
  Speaker 10: listen to my show, you know that I agree with this.
• 35:25
  Speaker 10: So I have to say, like, I'm not like a
• 35:28
  Speaker 10: huge fan. I barely even knew who she was before
• 35:31
  Speaker 10: Nick told me. But that's actually impressive in and of itself,
• 35:35
  Speaker 10: because that is kind of a fundamental problem that a
• 35:38
  Speaker 10: lot of people who consider themselves like magicians or pagans
• 35:44
  Speaker 10: or anything that's A big mistake that a lot of
• 35:46
  Speaker 10: them make is they think the planets themselves are these
• 35:50
  Speaker 10: kinds of rulers, these fixed rulers of destiny. But I
• 35:55
  Speaker 10: think astrology is a lot more as Matt said in Flux,
• 35:59
  Speaker 10: and I think that we are much more agential, and
• 36:01
  Speaker 10: I think we are much more agential in our own wills.
• 36:04
  Speaker 10: And I think that's also what the AON is about.
• 36:06
  Speaker 10: The new AON. It's about recognizing that not necessarily that
• 36:10
  Speaker 10: we're more like free of the demiurge or whatever cosmology
• 36:14
  Speaker 10: you want to use, but that we can actually say
• 36:16
  Speaker 10: in perception, like we actually are free to choose our
• 36:20
  Speaker 10: own destiny and we don't have to be like, your
• 36:22
  Speaker 10: chart is not who you are. It's just an indication
• 36:25
  Speaker 10: of your karmas. It's not fixed. And if you need
• 36:30
  Speaker 10: proof of that, just study TNTRA because tntraposits an ontological
• 36:35
  Speaker 10: solution for all astrological concerns.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: So there you go.
• 36:39
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I would say fate changes, but necessity doesn't.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: I'm still trying to think about the clip of being
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: the planets. I mean, I do think there's interesting way
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: to look at it, but like even like milanetary energy,
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: so yeah, like that would be kind of like one
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: of the lowest forms really going by other things.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: So, I mean, I guess I could see, like I
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: see where you're going.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: It's it's it's it's not it's above that you would have,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: you know, archangel order of angels. So I mean, I
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: guess it's really I mean it's not that you see,
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: I see where I guess I can see where you're
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: going with that to an extent, Well.
• 37:22
  Speaker 10: It's very Hebrew, right, So maybe that's why it's like
• 37:26
  Speaker 10: it's different in a way because the suffer are empty,
• 37:29
  Speaker 10: so they're more and much more like stars. I'm not
• 37:31
  Speaker 10: saying they are stars, but that is how to think
• 37:33
  Speaker 10: of them as empty. So a planet that is composed
• 37:36
  Speaker 10: of gravity densities, just like a sufferer, it has ice
• 37:42
  Speaker 10: aggregation from the rock all the gases likes.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: Is gravity fucked already?
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Exactly?
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: The game over?
• 37:51
  Speaker 9: I think into form art archetypes, right, they're like but
• 37:59
  Speaker 9: some stuff I know, like some people relate some of
• 38:03
  Speaker 9: them to planets, but not all of them are related
• 38:08
  Speaker 9: to a planet. And then yeah, if you believe in
• 38:12
  Speaker 9: the hierarchy with angels, the archangels, I mean typically those
• 38:18
  Speaker 9: are associated with the different planets, and it's like there's
• 38:23
  Speaker 9: like the planetary forces and then there's like the actual
• 38:28
  Speaker 9: causality of how those forces play out or the actual
• 38:33
  Speaker 9: decisions made, or you could almost say like the algorithmic
• 38:39
  Speaker 9: part that tips things one way or the other. Like
• 38:44
  Speaker 9: I feel like usually that's associated with the archangels assigned
• 38:49
  Speaker 9: to each planet. But you know that is like highly debated,
• 38:54
  Speaker 9: where like some neoplatonists believe in that concept, in that hierarchy,
• 39:00
  Speaker 9: but like the Stoics, for example, wouldn't they don't think that,
• 39:03
  Speaker 9: like the archangels are like unnecessary part of metaphysics.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: I think it depends.
• 39:15
  Speaker 10: I think that, you know, like I like Ramak, I
• 39:18
  Speaker 10: like Rabbi Cordovero, I like even Rabbi Larrius, I like
• 39:25
  Speaker 10: all the kind of.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: I'm not a.
• 39:28
  Speaker 10: Hermetic Kabala guy, so that is perhaps the difference. Is
• 39:32
  Speaker 10: I'm really like a I hate to shout him out again, Nick,
• 39:36
  Speaker 10: but it's a David Heimsmith kind of thing. Like i
• 39:39
  Speaker 10: approach Kabala in a more Hebrew way, but I'm not Jewish,
• 39:42
  Speaker 10: and I'm also like a Buddhist, so it makes more
• 39:46
  Speaker 10: sense to me to approach it in a nondual and
• 39:48
  Speaker 10: non theistic way. So I agree that the sepher are
• 39:52
  Speaker 10: not archetypes per se, but there are archetypes within, bundled
• 39:57
  Speaker 10: into the conceptual ideas, just like there are colors superficial density,
• 40:01
  Speaker 10: and then there are inner more colors. That's how I
• 40:04
  Speaker 10: relate to the suffer the most, is with colors and
• 40:06
  Speaker 10: names or words if you prefer.
• 40:09
  Speaker 9: So.
• 40:10
  Speaker 10: The urt Changels are not the rulers of the planets
• 40:13
  Speaker 10: in the Jewish system.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: They're just associated with the suffer.
• 40:17
  Speaker 10: But the planets themselves have their own planetary rulers, planetary
• 40:21
  Speaker 10: hosts of the planetary God.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's even like, was it the Olympic? The Olympic
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: spirits might actually sound like that when they're described. There's
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: a there's other I didn't even realize that there is
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: other other planetary associations. That does make it sound like
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: they're ruling over something. But yeah, the regular Medica Bella,
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: the way you're talking about it does. They're just like
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: associated with it. It's almost like that person's character fits
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: what we're trying to tell you. Here's what you're.
• 40:48
  Speaker 11: Trying to say, an example, an example of a good footballer.
• 40:51
  Speaker 11: You're going to say like Bill or I'll do whatever, But.
• 40:53
  Speaker 12: Then you wouldn't necessarily say that they are just that
• 40:56
  Speaker 12: they are still like men and human and fathers and
• 40:59
  Speaker 12: whatever or whatever, like their older things as well. Or
• 41:02
  Speaker 12: there could be other people that do what they do
• 41:05
  Speaker 12: but in like a worst way, so they wouldn't be
• 41:07
  Speaker 12: the best example for you to give for other peoples.
• 41:14
  Speaker 10: Of comment in the chat, sorry about Pico how we
• 41:17
  Speaker 10: found like a Christian truth inside Kabbalah.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: I also agree with that.
• 41:22
  Speaker 10: To be honest, I'm not a Christian and I'm not
• 41:24
  Speaker 10: going to be Christian, but I'm just saying that there
• 41:26
  Speaker 10: is an if you want to call ann of the sun,
• 41:29
  Speaker 10: there's an an of the a a kind of of
• 41:31
  Speaker 10: the sun truth in Kabala like you can prove, like
• 41:34
  Speaker 10: you can prove, there's like a teperatic consciousness that you
• 41:37
  Speaker 10: can rise up to, just like the universal hexagram. That's
• 41:40
  Speaker 10: really what it's referring to. And then if you have
• 41:43
  Speaker 10: your strong enough will, you can pass through. But it
• 41:47
  Speaker 10: takes a prepared heart, a gilded heart. Maybe I don't know.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: Oh, you know what I've noticed. I found it interesting.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: One time I was like looking at a like a
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: document where it was showing like I think it was
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: like NASA had a problem with their mirrors. Yeah, in
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: the in the in the telescope, the Hubbard telescope, something
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: went off on their mirrors and then they decided to
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: show a diagram about how the mirrors are supposed to reflect,
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: and it's a universal like sagram. I was like, that's
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: fucking If I found it, I'll send it to you.
• 42:22
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I look for it after the show and I
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: was like, okay, And you know, Crowley didn't come up
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: with that either, right, Yeah, he didn't actually invent that.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: Somebody else did.
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: No, it wasn't that. What didn't that come from the
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: Golden Dot?
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: No, it was prior to that. It's like eighteen hundreds.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: I think this guy guy did it.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, that's a lot of people think he
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: came over with it.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: He actually did. Yeah, but uh yeah, it was interesting.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: I just figured i'd tell you that this is another
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: interesting fun factor.
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: So you know, I'm a type of person who once
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: I hear it, I have to look it up and
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: I have.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: To re look at it. But h Jen, I kind
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: of understand a little bit where you're going with that.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, I could see it's a very interesting way
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: to look at it.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: It's no, it's a little different, you know. No, it
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: is no for sure, but I mean I.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Guess gnostic, a little neo gnostic.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: I'm putting yeah, No, I guess yeah, But I mean
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: I guess like the way I always say, like I think,
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: once you put in the form, you're kind of screwed.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it doesn't sound great for being a human,
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: I guess.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: But like if if I look at it that way,
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: I guess the planet's put into the phone like it's
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: screwed too.
• 43:34
  Speaker 10: Well, this is going to be followed away from God.
• 43:37
  Speaker 10: I mean, you're right, but there I think that. Like
• 43:40
  Speaker 10: what why I asked them Judith the middle pillar question
• 43:43
  Speaker 10: right at the front was because this actually is all
• 43:46
  Speaker 10: rectifiable in the middle pillar, Like you don't take extremes
• 43:49
  Speaker 10: of like going say, oh I'm an antibody gnostic or
• 43:52
  Speaker 10: I'm a hedonist kind of gnostic where you're just like
• 43:55
  Speaker 10: enjoying the earthly pleasures. You're actually like moderating yourself in
• 43:59
  Speaker 10: your own mind, so like in Yasode in the nine.
• 44:03
  Speaker 10: So if you're able to do that, then you're going
• 44:06
  Speaker 10: to be able to climb the tree a lot more easily,
• 44:08
  Speaker 10: in my opinion. That's just my opinion. But I'm just
• 44:10
  Speaker 10: I think that that makes sense. But you don't want
• 44:13
  Speaker 10: to also be like I have a lot of Hebrew
• 44:16
  Speaker 10: Cabbala friends like that are Jewish, like ascetic Jewish, and
• 44:20
  Speaker 10: so they they tend to stay at Yesoda consciousness. I'm
• 44:23
  Speaker 10: not putting them down. They're extremely brilliant people, physicists and mathematicians,
• 44:27
  Speaker 10: but they tend to stay at esdic consciousness. When I
• 44:30
  Speaker 10: say at yesodic consciousness, I get depressed. I have to
• 44:34
  Speaker 10: be a little more dynamic than that, just for me,
• 44:36
  Speaker 10: because everybody's a little different, right, everybody's like has their
• 44:40
  Speaker 10: own bullshit, their own aggregations. So for me, I have
• 44:43
  Speaker 10: to like travel the tree a little more frequently than
• 44:46
  Speaker 10: just like stay at yasode and you know, be a receptor.
• 44:49
  Speaker 10: So I like to actually be kind of free, if
• 44:51
  Speaker 10: you want to call that. So of course I'm going
• 44:53
  Speaker 10: to push the a little more of a transgressive not
• 44:56
  Speaker 10: transgressive necessarily, but it's it's definitely I'm more ra a.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Call idea of the planets.
• 45:02
  Speaker 10: This is true in Tantra though, that the planets are
• 45:05
  Speaker 10: minor arcons, not greater arcons. They're not they're and they're
• 45:09
  Speaker 10: definitely not in control of our destiny. That's how we
• 45:11
  Speaker 10: would think of it. But we're a very free agent.
• 45:14
  Speaker 10: Like TNTRA has a very free agency kind of idea
• 45:17
  Speaker 10: like religious framework, So it's not going to perfectly map onto.
• 45:22
  Speaker 10: I know that there's the book on Hollenic TNTRA and
• 45:24
  Speaker 10: like we can have a whole ten shows on that.
• 45:27
  Speaker 10: But you know, for us, like a more central Asian view,
• 45:31
  Speaker 10: you're very free. It's but it's all about choices, and
• 45:34
  Speaker 10: then that is your causality. That is what makes your
• 45:36
  Speaker 10: karma is your choices. Right now, even in your mind.
• 45:41
  Speaker 9: I somewhat agree, because you know, that's why Prometheus kind
• 45:48
  Speaker 9: of stole that fire to give us that free will,
• 45:52
  Speaker 9: and that kind of pissed Zeus off because then we
• 45:57
  Speaker 9: did have the free will to make our own choices,
• 46:02
  Speaker 9: and you know, the cosmos, the gods no longer had
• 46:10
  Speaker 9: full power over us.
• 46:13
  Speaker 10: One hundred percent is Prometheus rising, Jason Georgeohnny, come on,
• 46:17
  Speaker 10: I'll call Rey checks and threshold saints.
• 46:23
  Speaker 12: And then imagine when that happens again. Because history is
• 46:27
  Speaker 12: cyclical with the AI agents and stuff.
• 46:30
  Speaker 11: So we think beyond them.
• 46:32
  Speaker 12: Them, but at some point they're just that they control
• 46:35
  Speaker 12: themselves and news of themselves, and what beck are you
• 46:38
  Speaker 12: gonna do?
• 46:40
  Speaker 11: We're gonna do that.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: Sort of lose that. Man, hell, has you got anything?
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: There's gotta be something going on in that US.
• 46:49
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 46:49
  Speaker 8: I want to know did this Hellenic contra come out
• 46:53
  Speaker 8: of Hellenic Buddhism, because there was a time period in
• 46:56
  Speaker 8: the uh uh era after Alexander where they actually had
• 47:01
  Speaker 8: a fusion between Buddhist and Hellenic cultures. I didn't know
• 47:04
  Speaker 8: if that was actually related.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: It's a new book.
• 47:07
  Speaker 10: I saw a PD Newman promoting it. I've read it someone.
• 47:11
  Speaker 10: I think Gregory Peter is actually recommended. I read it,
• 47:15
  Speaker 10: so it's not. Actually it's an interesting question what you're positing, Like,
• 47:19
  Speaker 10: was there a Gandharvian Buddhism.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: I actually think you heard of it, So yeah, I
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: just no, I think you.
• 47:24
  Speaker 10: Can actually make a case for a Gandharan Buddhism, like
• 47:27
  Speaker 10: in northern Afghanistan, and like, I don't think that there
• 47:31
  Speaker 10: was Hellenic per se, but I think it was deeply
• 47:33
  Speaker 10: influenced by certain Hellenic ideas that were like left over
• 47:38
  Speaker 10: in the like Afghanistan, kind of cultural region the Gandhara.
• 47:42
  Speaker 10: So I agree actually Helpless that I think it's it exists,
• 47:45
  Speaker 10: but has there been like massive scholarship on it now.
• 47:48
  Speaker 10: But someone wrote a book and they basically were looking
• 47:51
  Speaker 10: at the Mediterranean basin and then they just called it tantra.
• 47:55
  Speaker 10: But I think that fundamentally misunderstands what tantra is. Tantra's
• 47:59
  Speaker 10: like very specifically essentral Asian formations for the very simple
• 48:04
  Speaker 10: fact that it posits the center of the world as Kashmir.
• 48:09
  Speaker 10: So if you understand that, you'll understand why it focuses
• 48:13
  Speaker 10: towards that region. Like all the all the ideas, it says,
• 48:17
  Speaker 10: this is where it's coming from, even if it's syncretic,
• 48:19
  Speaker 10: it's coming from here. It's not looking at Greece and saying, oh,
• 48:23
  Speaker 10: this is where it comes from. But there's absolutely like
• 48:27
  Speaker 10: a Mahayana tradition, like Nick showing right now, grecopodism right there.
• 48:32
  Speaker 12: So I.
• 48:36
  Speaker 9: Had a question because I guess if you're coming from
• 48:40
  Speaker 9: it as the planets are Arkhans, then does that make
• 48:48
  Speaker 9: you anti order? I mean, does that make you anti mad?
• 48:54
  Speaker 10: No, because I position it on the this is for me,
• 48:58
  Speaker 10: eros is I always poss on the paths. So by
• 49:02
  Speaker 10: saying that, I'm saying you have to bring it into materialization.
• 49:05
  Speaker 10: You have to bring it into pragmatism. You have to
• 49:07
  Speaker 10: bring it into the real world. You can't just exist
• 49:10
  Speaker 10: in like the greater Aonic concepts like look at Croley.
• 49:13
  Speaker 10: I'm not putting it down like I've I've come a
• 49:15
  Speaker 10: long way in my evolution of like understanding of Tolemic
• 49:18
  Speaker 10: ideas and Crowley and all of that. But I think
• 49:22
  Speaker 10: that it's important that the Aon arises because they un
• 49:25
  Speaker 10: first of all, rises in your own mind, not some skyfairy.
• 49:28
  Speaker 10: But number two that I think it's important that arises
• 49:31
  Speaker 10: on the paths, because we are of the paths. So
• 49:36
  Speaker 10: Theon should walk with us, or we should walk with
• 49:38
  Speaker 10: however you want to phrase that we should walk with
• 49:40
  Speaker 10: the Aon rather than you know, uh, it's it's not
• 49:45
  Speaker 10: just like a celestial being, but of course it can
• 49:47
  Speaker 10: also be right. I'm not saying it it's not. I'm
• 49:49
  Speaker 10: just saying that we should like make it of a reality.
• 49:52
  Speaker 10: So like if her themes are like justice, balance, fairness,
• 49:57
  Speaker 10: like all of these kinds of things, that that those
• 49:59
  Speaker 10: then are the Iomic ideals, So I don't know if
• 50:02
  Speaker 10: that directly answers your question, but I'm I'm very pro
• 50:06
  Speaker 10: mod obviously, but I'm I would say I'm anti arconic,
• 50:12
  Speaker 10: so maybe a syncretic nastic in a way.
• 50:17
  Speaker 9: I come from the belief that it's just best to
• 50:24
  Speaker 9: align to the cosmic order. But I love hearing other
• 50:35
  Speaker 9: people's thoughts on it.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: Do you know you've into a lot of planetary stuff,
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: So I obviously was planetary theory, so I figured I
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: just said.
• 50:48
  Speaker 10: No, it's a great question, because I think there's so
• 50:50
  Speaker 10: much to be learned from. Like obviously, when we've done
• 50:53
  Speaker 10: shows on it in the past, I've talked about like
• 50:55
  Speaker 10: my early experiences of being like thirteen fourteen reading Agrippa
• 50:59
  Speaker 10: or reading the Greater and Lesser Keys, and how I
• 51:01
  Speaker 10: would play with all the planetary seals, like obviously from
• 51:05
  Speaker 10: a more chaot sort of perspective of like, let's figure
• 51:08
  Speaker 10: out how to like retechno, like reformulate the technology so
• 51:12
  Speaker 10: I don't have to, like, as we used to call it,
• 51:14
  Speaker 10: dress up and larp, and so I always was interested
• 51:18
  Speaker 10: in the planetary things, So I think that actually laid
• 51:21
  Speaker 10: the groundwork for me to have later sepharatic experiences. But
• 51:25
  Speaker 10: I don't necessarily think that doing the planetary magic was
• 51:31
  Speaker 10: Like if I could go back and change it, I
• 51:34
  Speaker 10: would have actually told my younger self to study Kabala
• 51:37
  Speaker 10: if I'm being honest.
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I wish I studied it earlier.
• 51:40
  Speaker 10: Yeah, rather than do planetary magic, because planetary magic is
• 51:44
  Speaker 10: actually it's the first principle sort of, but it's also
• 51:47
  Speaker 10: sort of complicated, and it's about, like you and I
• 51:52
  Speaker 10: have talked about this so many times, like, desire is
• 51:55
  Speaker 10: not the same as will, and when you're like seventeen,
• 51:59
  Speaker 10: you do things of desire that you think is your will.
• 52:02
  Speaker 10: And I wish I just would have been more grown
• 52:04
  Speaker 10: up in my personal appraisal of it. So it's not
• 52:06
  Speaker 10: like I dislike planetary magic, but I just think I
• 52:09
  Speaker 10: got lost in it.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: So people can do as they will, as Jus said.
• 52:12
  Speaker 10: So brilliantly, like that is kind of my theme too,
• 52:15
  Speaker 10: like as I well, but you know, just in my perspective,
• 52:18
  Speaker 10: I just wish I could have gone back and like
• 52:20
  Speaker 10: shaken myself and been like, you need to figure out
• 52:23
  Speaker 10: what your will actually is and it's not the same
• 52:26
  Speaker 10: as like your desire.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: Oh you beauty to you if you're trying to say
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: anything you don't know.
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: I said that that is very true.
• 52:36
  Speaker 6: People mistake their will for their wants, and that's where
• 52:43
  Speaker 6: we tend to misstep when dealing with iron magic.
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: I totally agree with that.
• 52:49
  Speaker 9: True free will is what brings suffering to some extent.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: Hello's we you went to planetary stuff? No, not really, Okay,
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: you're into theogy.
• 53:02
  Speaker 8: Uh well, different forms of meditation, yeah, hypnosis and that
• 53:07
  Speaker 8: kind of stuff.
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: So nice.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: I know, I was just wondering if I could get
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: you in on some planetary shit.
• 53:14
  Speaker 8: But well, certainly can write a guide of meditation using
• 53:18
  Speaker 8: you know, hypnosis and all of the imagery from planetary
• 53:23
  Speaker 8: stuff to kind of imbue a little bit of that energy.
• 53:27
  Speaker 8: I think it changes a perspective. Right when you're bringing
• 53:31
  Speaker 8: different planetary energies into your life, it automatically has a
• 53:35
  Speaker 8: shift in perception that goes along with it. So once
• 53:38
  Speaker 8: you start to identify that, you can you can better
• 53:40
  Speaker 8: you know, understand maybe a better path to go down.
• 53:44
  Speaker 8: But you know, there's there's lots of different affects that
• 53:48
  Speaker 8: go along with sort of extended periods of meditation or
• 53:54
  Speaker 8: you know, magical practice.
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: H yeah, even the uh.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: Even like I was even saying like even colors and
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: stuff to make a difference, Like even like I noticed
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: how on that thing that I was covering the colors
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: that like some of them, like even when I was
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: going over like kind of like how they looked at
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: in science, it was like this almost kind of matches
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: how the colors looked at like if you threw it
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: on a several you know, or like what is match
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: with planetary its Like it's kind of interesting. It's almost
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: like a thing that just was cross culture.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 54:29
  Speaker 8: Absolutely, all these different societies would have this huge like
• 54:34
  Speaker 8: cabinet of references that they would plug into all the
• 54:39
  Speaker 8: different planets, all the different I mean, this was how
• 54:42
  Speaker 8: they made associations in the world. It was all through
• 54:45
  Speaker 8: observing these similarities and then classifying them using that kind
• 54:49
  Speaker 8: of observational method. And that's how they got to know
• 54:53
  Speaker 8: the spirits. It's a very superficial process. But getting to
• 54:56
  Speaker 8: know the spirits in the meantime, so it's the outer
• 54:59
  Speaker 8: and the inner life of of everything sort of. It's
• 55:01
  Speaker 8: it's kind of energetic flavor.
• 55:06
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it's like intuitive dialectic and then if you really
• 55:12
  Speaker 9: get alchemical with it, you know, then it can almost
• 55:16
  Speaker 9: feel like uh, even prima materia. You know, it's all astrological,
• 55:25
  Speaker 9: it's all all metaphysics is kind of tied to the
• 55:33
  Speaker 9: twelve and too the four into the three and.
• 55:42
  Speaker 7: Something I just learned recently.
• 55:45
  Speaker 14: Through the Occult rejects Nick forgive me what is his
• 55:48
  Speaker 14: last name, Jamie.
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: Jimmie pol Yeah, Jimmie Polan.
• 55:54
  Speaker 14: He shared a word that I have never heard before,
• 55:58
  Speaker 14: but it really leads, I think, to me at least
• 56:02
  Speaker 14: a fuller understanding of magic.
• 56:04
  Speaker 7: Uh, symthemata Is that right?
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: Is it?
• 56:07
  Speaker 7: Am I saying it correctly? Do you remember that word?
• 56:12
  Speaker 9: They say sympathia sometimes like the platon Yeah, sympathia, cosmic.
• 56:23
  Speaker 7: Club, thank you else.
• 56:26
  Speaker 14: I just thought that was such a great way to
• 56:29
  Speaker 14: understand the coordination and the relationships and bringing together all
• 56:34
  Speaker 14: these things that are in alignment with the pursuit of
• 56:38
  Speaker 14: the whatever magic you're you're putting forth right, So that
• 56:45
  Speaker 14: was a great word. And I couldn't remember maybe it
• 56:47
  Speaker 14: was synthamata here, but we could have been something something different.
• 56:52
  Speaker 7: It's the same thing. It's the same thing.
• 56:56
  Speaker 8: That's the Greek version, and she was using a love version.
• 57:00
  Speaker 9: I actually might have that open in my timis right now.
• 57:07
  Speaker 14: Uh, helped me understand some things that I've been intuitively pursuing.
• 57:16
  Speaker 14: But he put it in that concrete term that really
• 57:19
  Speaker 14: you know, made it made it a stream of sense,
• 57:23
  Speaker 14: sensible approach.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: That was three syncredicities.
• 57:27
  Speaker 9: Actually, the video that I'm putting out, uh, I'm I'm
• 57:33
  Speaker 9: starting it out by explaining sympathia and cosmic order because
• 57:40
  Speaker 9: it seems like you have to in order to to
• 57:44
  Speaker 9: then contrast it with chaos and stuff like that. But yeah,
• 57:49
  Speaker 9: it's it's uh, it's the ideal forms and base pieces
• 57:56
  Speaker 9: of matter. So like the four elements and then obviously
• 58:01
  Speaker 9: the three the soul for mercury and help me out headless,
• 58:10
  Speaker 9: so thank you, yes, or those also correspond to the soul,
• 58:17
  Speaker 9: spirit and body, and so it's just like yeah, basically
• 58:24
  Speaker 9: these ideal or yeah, these base parts. So then this
• 58:30
  Speaker 9: idea almost like everything is happening at once. It's just
• 58:34
  Speaker 9: unfolding into.
• 58:36
  Speaker 10: Free body problem. That's what we call them, Buddhism tree kayah,
• 58:40
  Speaker 10: three body problem. All things are all that's happening at
• 58:43
  Speaker 10: one time, but you perceive them in the three worlds. Yeah,
• 58:50
  Speaker 10: well we're obviously we're nondual, right, so we have a
• 58:54
  Speaker 10: totally different ontological ideas.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: Of the world.
• 58:57
  Speaker 10: But I just wanted to like go back to that
• 58:59
  Speaker 10: thing that you were asking a little bit before, and
• 59:01
  Speaker 10: I wondered if you were familiar with a Gnostic figure
• 59:04
  Speaker 10: called Nuria, and she's a prominent character in the Epinoia
• 59:07
  Speaker 10: of Nuria. And so in the way that I sort
• 59:12
  Speaker 10: of formulated with obviously not just me, but in the
• 59:15
  Speaker 10: gray Lodge that we did, it is that we said
• 59:17
  Speaker 10: that the Aon could also be compared to this Gnostic Aon,
• 59:21
  Speaker 10: and so she actually is kind of God's daughter, but
• 59:27
  Speaker 10: it's not really, that's not really the story. But the
• 59:30
  Speaker 10: idea is that she actually burns the arcs of the
• 59:33
  Speaker 10: Arkons down. And one of the important stories in her
• 59:37
  Speaker 10: gospel is that the angels who are of the lesser
• 59:41
  Speaker 10: they're considered lesser angels, but in the.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: Gnostic cosmology they're actually higher angels.
• 59:46
  Speaker 10: So they tell her that everything that the Arkons tell
• 59:49
  Speaker 10: you is a lie because it's just in your mind.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: It's just like delusions.
• 59:54
  Speaker 10: And so the way to cut through the bullshit is
• 59:56
  Speaker 10: to just say, like everything that is not at that
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 10: sort of place of pristine awareness or like Rigpa or
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 10: diamond thunder, or however you want to describe it, sort
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 10: of like that prime consciousness.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: The fifth.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 10: The space you could say, Akasha. If it's not there,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 10: then it's arconic. So it's not I'm not like I said,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 10: I'm not. I don't posit it as like order v. Chaos.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 10: I think it's an interplay, and I think it's like
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 10: a synthesis as well as a rectification. And I think
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 10: that we should always This is just my idea as
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 10: a cabolysis is not I'm not teaching anyone or saying
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 10: that my idea is the best.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: I don't think that.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 10: But I think that when we're in the tree, we
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 10: should always try and be dynamic and at both differ anyisode,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 10: and it should be like a die, like you said,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 10: like a dialectical relationship between those two things, the higher
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 10: and the lower consciousness, the waking and the sleeping mind.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: Thank you sir.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: Anything else you guys wanted to talk about truth.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 8: I just think it's kind of interesting how we're approaching
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 8: the same sort of consciousness problem on so many different levels,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 8: and that's like it's representative of occultism. I think so
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 8: you've got the standard scientist, which you know, he knows
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 8: how to push one button on the elevator, right, he
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 8: knows how to get to that floor, and how to
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 8: do his thing. But then you've got the occult scientist
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 8: who's always pushing all of the buttons in the elevator
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 8: just to find out what each one of them does
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 8: along the way. And I think that's that's sort of
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 8: emblematic of what a lot of the Kabbala stuff really is.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 8: It's bringing all that stuff together into one synthesis.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 9: Yeah. Well, and it's it's interesting too because it's like,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 9: I think there is this big theme in the occult
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 9: of order versus you know, I would say chaos. I
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 9: guess where it's like to me if if you take
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 9: away the you know, the the order which I associate
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 9: with the good, then the cosmos falls apart. But you know,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 9: I do see a lot of these themes in magic
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 9: where that is that idea where it's like, you know,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 9: your subconscious is made up of all of these patterns
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 9: because we can't help but you know, do dialectic and
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 9: have pattern recognition and notice these different archetypal forces and stuff.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 9: You know, some people are probably closer to it than
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 9: others where they're like, oh yeah, that's so mercurial or
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 9: that's so jubitterarian. But like I noticed Anhalima a lot, right,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 9: the idea is to like break up those patterns, so
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 9: like you might do these rituals where it's like almost
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 9: purposefully confusing your connection to these patterns, and it like
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 9: causes this like disruption in your subconscious that can do
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 9: all sorts of things, like it can be psych fragmenting, honestly.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 9: But his idea was like you either awaken from that
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 9: and rebuild it, I guess on your own, or you
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 9: go insane. But I guess he did have like this
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 9: argument also that insanity is necessary to cross the abyss.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: So it is I think right at it? H right,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: So do you even think like this is insane?
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean what you're saying now eros like in
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 10: the latter part of your comment, I totally agree with.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 10: I don't think that the order is inherently good. I
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 10: don't think chaos is inherently evil. I take a very
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 10: nondual view, so I know this is very different. I
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 10: know this is much more Buddhist, more contric I get
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 10: that I'm not saying my view is the right way.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 10: I'm just saying for my system, this is the right way.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 10: So for me, I take it as a middle path,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 10: like not extreme right hand, not extreme left hand, but
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 10: I might draw from those ideas like you were saying,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 10: chaos magic really emphasizes the idea of breaking conceptual thinking.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 10: Buddhism really emphasizes this idea of breaking conceptual thinking. Kabala
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 10: at the more nondual layer really emphasizes the idea of
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 10: breaking kleipas, something Matt loves to say, because we have
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 10: to break kleipas because we they veil our true understanding,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 10: our true awareness of what something really is, maybe even
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 10: call it its true name. So it's not that we
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 10: are out to be transgressive or we're and we're not
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 10: out to and inherently like prop up the status quo either.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 10: It's a little bit of both. It has a little
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 10: bit of a rebellious spirit. But I think that Mott,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 10: I don't know, Judah can literally disagree with me and
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 10: say like, oh yeah, Jin saying something naughty. That's okay,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 10: I'll take it. But I think it's a little bit
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 10: of a rebel spirit. That is how I understand they are,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 10: but I am totally open to like pushback or people's
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 10: other ideas.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: I'm not fixed.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 10: And this is the other thing is I try not
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 10: to be fixed in my particular way that I frame everything.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 10: I try and have different frameworks when I talk to
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 10: different people, So like I'll have a gnostic framework, I'll
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 10: have a Buddhist framework, or I'll have a whatever, I'll
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 10: just or the Egyptian one. I think that's all okay,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 10: because I think that there are different ways that people
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 10: understand the conceptual ideas for themselves. They don't have to
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 10: think that I'm the you know, arbiter of it. They
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 10: can just take it in their own way and you know,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 10: use first principles like Helas was talking about.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: That's what cabal is.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 10: It's about mapping reality onto the tree and then and
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 10: unpacking it, unfolding it and folding it in like a flower.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know, just an idea. You give me a
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: really terrible idea.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 8: So what do you guys think about doing a golden
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 8: ass kabbala, just like a full commentary breaking down the
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 8: golden ass in the kabbala.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: I think that would be amazing.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 15: All right, we get I wanted to address.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: He'll be okay, sometimes it ship jobs out.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: Sucks.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 14: I had a quick thing I wanted to add onto
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 14: the idea of or insanity to that Buddhists put forth
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 14: the idea that life is a tube.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 7: And you're either going up or going down and staying
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 7: still doesn't make much sense.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 14: At all, right, But I just wanted to say that, Judith,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 14: what were you gonna say?
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 16: No, Actually, you hit on what I wanted to tell Jim,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 16: because I do agree with Jim's aspect, because if you're
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 16: looking at the kabbala, you're not meant to stay in
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 16: one place.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 5: You're meant to have that movement.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 6: The whole point in my view, in my opinion, is
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 6: to not get stagnant and get stuck in one place.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 5: So I agree one hundred percent with what Jim was saying.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 5: And you actually supported that even, Thank you so much.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 12: Sorry, no, sorry, yeah, just again, Look in nature, right,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 12: Nature never stays the same. Everything changes all the time,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 12: and things live and die and change and transform and
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 12: so on.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 11: So like breaking the klifas right, that can be the.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 12: Butterfly or the caterpillar that breaks itself to become the butterfly. Right,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 12: So everything is again constantly changing and removing, and if
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 12: it doesn't break that cliff, it stays as a caterpillar forever.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 11: So it's just about reinventing and changing.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 12: And again seasons change, people change, but they can't stay
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 12: the same at the same time.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 11: So it's it's this constant just.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 12: The the Hebrews well call the thing soon right, the movement, contraction,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 12: expansion and is one. So even the chaos and the
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 12: order like you need first, so there's nothing. You need
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 12: the chaos to kind of move things around and you
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 12: order them to make sense of it. Otherwise you just
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 12: have too much chaos and then you cannot understand anything.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 12: But then you bring chaos again to have nothing then
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 12: and so on.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 11: It's like back and forth half.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 12: Of the Pliny sword in the in the serpent right,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 12: going up and down.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 11: It's one.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 9: Brilliant Nature does have these natural laws, though, and if
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 9: we didn't have those laws, and I think to the
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 9: I was gonna say, I guess I think to the
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 9: Egyptians who all they had this feeling like chaos was
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 9: something that you always had to fight back against, you know,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 9: and you could even think of like uh, like Zeus
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 9: killing the chaos serpent you know. Huh yes, uh, Like
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 9: some people believe that Typhon was Guya's, you know, child
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 9: that was supposed to try to defeat the Olympians. Guya's
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 9: like last chance at kind of fighting them for imprisoning
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 9: her children. So it's just like this primal part of
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 9: nature that's always going to be there, just like man,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 9: you know, is the master of nature and has to
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 9: fight the beasts back and has to fight the weeds back.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 9: You know, it's kind of like that concept, like chaos
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 9: is always going to be there.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: I would just.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 10: Follow up Ros by asking you, like a fundamental Cabala question,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 10: like how do you personally reconcile the paradox of the
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 10: relationship between Gevra and Hesseid if you're at or even
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 10: just you could say the right and the left pillar,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 10: because those also work in Zimsum as Matt said, like
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 10: those are the two suffer that fundamentally have the strongest
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 10: dialectical relationship with each other, fire and water, So they
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 10: have to be reconciled, and they have to be reconciled
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 10: in the middle pillar. How do you do that? I'm
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 10: not I'm not putting you on the spot or anything.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 10: I'm just this is just a Cabala paradox. We often
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 10: discuss it, and it's just it's a really fundamental way
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 10: to sort of understand how the tree works. It's like
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 10: Matt said, it's simsum. It's the zipping and unzipping. It's
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 10: the breaking of the klipas of your own conceptual understanding
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 10: of things. Because the person that I I'll just speak
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 10: for myself, the person that I was at two years old,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 10: is not the person I am at thirty seven. So
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 10: my own, my own life, my own marga has unfolded
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 10: in a way that I have gained at least I
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 10: think I've gained in perceptual understanding of the universe or
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 10: knowledge even maybe a little bit, just maybe a little bit,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 10: but a little bit. So I have to recognize that
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 10: not the way I when you Okay, so when you
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 10: walk through the gateway of Malcouth first time onto your slade,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 10: you are childlike and you don't know that even the
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 10: names of things, you are like fully lost in the
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 10: Abyss experience, as as Nick mentioned, you don't know you're
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 10: for the first time. It's like the example is like
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 10: you are a virgin or a bride, So you don't.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 10: So you just call things by what you think that
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 10: they are, or relate to them as you believe that
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 10: they are. But as you sort of cross the I
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 10: would call it the carnal ground or the abyss. As
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 10: you cross those experiences, you actually gain in knowledge and
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 10: you realize like, oh, I actually was wrong about the
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 10: way I've perceived these things at first, so you change.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 10: So that is what I'm talking about. It's not really
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 10: this dialectical arrangement between order and chaos. It's really about
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 10: matter and spirit.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: That's more.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 10: That's more Hebrew Cabala. So I'm just I'm not saying
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 10: it's different. I'm just saying that that's my perspective on that.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 10: The tree is best understood in dialectical relationship. But all
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 10: the stuff for a work in dialectical relationship, hes said,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 10: has a dialectical relationship with Bina. Mercy has a dialectical
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 10: relationship with understanding. You cannot understand text. That's essentially what
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 10: bina is. It's the it's the black ink on the
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 10: white page and the white vellum. You can call it
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 10: the Torah, which obviously is the law. But you can
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 10: just extend that to mean, any text, any canonical text.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 10: You have to bring that into loving kindness. That is
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 10: the only way to understand that. You can't take it
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 10: as literal. You're supposed to take it as part of
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 10: the realm of ideas, interpretive, and then you kind of
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 10: relate it to the things that we know, which is hode,
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 10: which are the words that we have, the analogical sort
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 10: of devices thinking that we used to describe the universe.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 10: That's all imperfect. This is just a Cabali stick thing.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 10: I'm not saying that you're understanding is imperfect. I'm saying
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 10: that from a more Hebrew or David Hamm Smith, who
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 10: I'm a big fan of.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 11: Obviously.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 10: Uh, that's how That's how I would That's how I
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 10: would say.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: You do you get in touch with that guy?
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: I am actually yeah, yeah.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: He I felt so bad, like I hit me up
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: on like every fucking platform possible. I just hadn't checked
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: my DMS for like a few days. But no, I
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: didn't check like my uh my inbox, I like because
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: I wasn't following him, so it didn't show up in
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: my regular inboox. Yeah, like I was looking for you
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: for a minute, and he went to iike it, that's
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: how he got your contact.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: Yes, think of some shit. Yeah it felt bad. I
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: dropped the ball onto there, But I mean you got
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: touch with them anyway.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: No, you didn't.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: Nick.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 10: It was because of me coming on the show that
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 10: he even noticed who the fuck I was and was like, oh,
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 10: actually Jinn's talking about cabal in a very similar way.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: But that's and I didn't even have read his.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 10: Books until probably two or three years ago. And it
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 10: was because I'm Buddhist, because he started out as Buddhist,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 10: and then I approached Hebrew Kabala after. So that's really
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 10: like where we that's our similarity is that we kind
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 10: of were nondual and then we kind of were like, Okay,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 10: let's look at Hebrew Kabala in a nondual way.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: Remember I told you I thought he was I thought
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: he was fake.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: I was like, Yo, this isn't really this isn't a
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: real account.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 8: What the hell of a thing to a person, It's
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 8: just like some random author.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, protect No, you know what the thing was is
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: that the account he messaged me from like had like
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: nothing on it, and I'm like, who the fuck is
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: this guy? And so like I typed his name in
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: and he popped up on like other social media apps,
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: and I click on it and it brings me to
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: an actual, real account, and I'm like, wait, so it's like,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: does someone scamming fucking Jen or some shit like trall
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: of him or something.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: I wasn't sure because it was weird.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: It almost looks like that guy made that Instagram account
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: just to message me.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: It was really weird exactly, so.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: I wasn't taking it. That wasn't too of how true
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: it was. But I mean, then he already said forget
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: about it, already spoke to Ike. I'm like, well, if
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: he spoke to Ike, obviously he's played real. Unless he's
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: making that up.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 10: No, he's a you know, he's a very to me,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 10: he's the best cabalist of like the twenty first century
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 10: in my opinion. It's just my opinion, but that's how
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 10: I feel. I think his book. I think everybody who's listening,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 10: if you want a really great book and you don't
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 10: want to buy Georgiana Ro's book, go read Blazing Dew
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 10: of Stars. I think you'll learn so much about it.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 10: He talks about free agency, free will. He talks about
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 10: how you can relate the Safari era to the Outer three,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 10: which I did obviously with Nick three years ago, and
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 10: also we did in the Kabala series that we did.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 10: So he's talking about all the all the questions, all
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 10: the important questions in modern magic, as well as a
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 10: more traditional appraisal of Kabala from the middle Path. And
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 10: I think that that's what my attraction to his style is,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 10: is that again to bring up exactly like it was
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 10: such a perfect way for Judit to open the show,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 10: like the middle pillars essentially what life is, and we
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 10: walk the past through the suphra we try and get
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 10: to the Godhead, which props to Georgina Rose like that's
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 10: what she said. She was saying, it's a septanatus like
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 10: a seven star game. You kind of walk up from
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 10: Malcouth or Sode, depending on how you count, and you
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 10: sort of want to go all the way up to
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 10: Ketter that Catter is also Malcouth. So the fundamental paradox
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 10: is how do you reconcile that.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 11: You know something.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 12: Something I like doing when we were talking about words
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 12: is going to the semantics of it, and I think
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 12: it helps a lot with understanding more points of view.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 12: So for example, we go with chaos and we go
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 12: to the Greek etymology, they go to a more like
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 12: void for the something like open being open or something
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 12: like that. And then you connect this to for example,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 12: like Aeros was saying, yes, we do have order for eximplace.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 12: If I jump, I'm in an apartment. If I jump,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 12: I als hold down, there's there's some kind of order here.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 12: But if we go to the like if we zoom
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 12: into stuff, we get into a realm that there is
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 12: no exact order as it has here, but it has
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 12: a different order, like if you go to quantum stuff
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 12: and so one there's like a it's like a different
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 12: thing going on. We cannot assume the same uh programming,
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 12: let's say the same software running. So it's interesting that
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 12: it's almost as if before we read the from the route,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 12: it's being an abyss even or avoid like the chaos
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 12: being avoided. Abyss is again the thing that leaves space
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 12: for the order to come. So then I think, well
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 12: both are necessary in this case, So we need to
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 12: control both, and like I was saying, we need both
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 12: like the hawkmdity, now we need both making the connection
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 12: or even the both pillars because otherwise you have too
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 12: much of one, you cannot have anything. If you have
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 12: too much order, then you don't move. It's like you
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 12: guys were talking about Germany right Like, it's like Europe
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 12: right now. They cannot move. They're stuck because they are
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 12: too ordered, they're too rigid.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 11: It cannot go away. But if you have too much chaos,
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 11: on the.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 12: Other hand, maybe like us would be a good example,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 12: that could be a problem as well. Like you have
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 12: too much chaos, it cannot come show it, you end
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 12: up doing again, you don't know where it goes. So
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 12: always always a bass the middle player.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I always love.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 8: To contribute to the chaos.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 9: I think too. It's that is a good point, because
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 9: it's like defining chaos isn't the easiest thing to do.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 9: I almost feel like there could be two types of chaos, right,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 9: Like the primordial chaos is just like yeah, potentiality, but
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 9: you know, I think that's more Uranian, whereas there's the
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 9: Typhonian chaos, which is catonic and it's uh, it fragments
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 9: and it dissolves, basically, it destroys.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 10: What if I told you eras that both of those
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 10: things are the same, that you can reconcile both of
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 10: those ideas and say, like what Kenneth Grant said, that
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 10: we are in the tunnels we set, we are in
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 10: the roots of the tree.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: But what is the tunnel.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 10: The tunnel is just the outer sort of formation of reality,
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 10: and really we have all this space, as Matt said,
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 10: we have all this potentiality in space. That's how Buddhism
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 10: would describe even the female principle, or like the new eat,
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 10: she's she's she's free in space. We don't call her
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 10: new heat obviously, we call it like we call them
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 10: sky witches or sky dancers or dikini's. But you know,
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 10: it's it's similar, it's a similar idea or the Babylon
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 10: or whatever you want to call it.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it's the it's that's what it is.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 10: It's like she exists there in nondual wisdom, but it's
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 10: she's free in space. And so we have to sort
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 10: of navigate our movement through space, just like we navigate
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 10: our movement through the tree to that space that doesn't
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 10: really exist, which is Malchuth to Ketter, that that doesn't
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 10: really exist, but we perceive it perceptually as like being
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 10: disconnected as a disconnection between like some people say it's
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 10: like heart and mind. Some people say it's like spirit
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 10: and body. Some people will say it's like aha and
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 10: like our material body, like all these different ways or
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 10: the Godhead or the outer outside of form, because a
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 10: lot of Buddhism is like very obsessed with like the
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 10: fourth density, like the getting like you're not coming back
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 10: into cause like you So there's a lot of people
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 10: who don't want to come back. So that's part of
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 10: like escape from Samsar, escape from the Black cube. So yeah,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 10: you're right, there's all these different ideas of how to
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 10: describe it. But I do think that the sort of female,
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 10: the shocked principle of that New Week figure, I think
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 10: she can be reconciled in both. She's both shatonic and
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 10: like void like or spatial.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 9: That's the one as more progressive and aligned to universal law.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 9: You know, that's like a type of differentiation that could
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 9: be seen as chaotic, but really it is it aligns
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 9: to the laws, and it's it's progressive, whereas like it
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 9: creates new things based on those universal laws, whereas the
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 9: other is like it just destroys and entropies.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 10: I mean, I believe in karma very strongly, Like I
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 10: think we're governed by like a cosmic principle of karma.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 10: I'm not talking about like Vedic or Vedontic karma. I'm
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 10: talking about obviously Buddhist karma, which is predicated on ideas
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 10: of like rebirth and free will both. But yeah, it's
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 10: like the exactly what sor Ethan. It's exactly what Ethan said.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 10: It's like, that's how Buddhism posits us. We are like
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 10: fish traveling up the ocean of stars. We are like
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 10: swimming in the cosmic body of new eat, swimming upstream
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 10: you could say, in this like endless cycle, like a spiral,
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 10: and so like we kind of yeah, like it's both.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 10: It's both the formation of primordial destruction and then also
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 10: the one that's more ordered by the universe. But that's
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 10: again I would say, it's all fundamentally in your own
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 10: mind as well, Like it's these are outer principles, like
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 10: observational principles. But like Matt said, like nature doesn't stay
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 10: the same. It is decay and generation at the same time.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 10: And so for me, like the an of the Daughter
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 10: or an of Mott, I'm very comfortable using either frame
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 10: because it's I think for me it means.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: The same thing.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 10: So I think it's an aon of generation, but we
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 10: also live on the carnoground. Like if you want to
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 10: be truly nondual, you recognize that the world is like, yeah,
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 10: it's a garden. It's beautiful at times, and then it's
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 10: also a carnoground at the same time because everything that
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 10: is alive has to die. That's just part of the
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 10: cosmic formulation. So it's like a rose. It's like a
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 10: rose is such a perfect example, right, because roses do
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 10: really well with what blood meal and bone meal and
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 10: someone's fish meal too, so they that is like the
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 10: kind of like thing like you just don't want to
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 10: be I just don't like to stay fixed. This is
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 10: just for me, but I don't like to stay fixed.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: On like one. I'm not like like I'm.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 10: Pro generation because generation also implies decay in eventuality.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: It's like a there's like a thing.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 10: But it's not like I'm inherently trying to degenerate like
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 10: anything or myself. I'm actually trying to like just be progressive.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 10: And I actually even think that's what the anima is.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 10: And if you look at like the Buddhist goddess that
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 10: I tied it to. She holds the bow and arrow,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 10: but she wields a flower, so it's a blue flower.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 10: So she's a red or pink goddess and she has
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 10: a blue flower at the end of her bow. You
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 10: could tie that. There's an interesting way to tie that
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 10: to Hessed. So you could say that her body is
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 10: like coming through the hate heatless flame of Geverra, but
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 10: her like her weapon quote unquote, is tied to loving kindness.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 10: So it's like tied to the progressive idea, not saying political,
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 10: but progressive idea of like how do we relate to
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 10: each other?
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: How do we treat each other? How do we understand
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: our relationality in the cosmos? I don't know.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 10: These are just like these are just greater like ideas
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 10: that we've been all working through. And as I said, like,
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 10: I don't think I have the answers. I'm just this
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 10: is just totally speculative, Kabala. I'm just positive ideas having
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 10: a discourse. It's I'm not you know, do asou well
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 10: believe as that? Well?
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 12: Aris, have you heard of chaos theory before the mathematical thing? Yes,
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 12: So I think that's the really like it connects to
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 12: what you're saying saying in the way that they they
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 12: see something that appears random, but there is like some
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 12: underlying order, right, there's some underlying thing creating, and we
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 12: can understand that maybe as the cather right, Like there's
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 12: the cather, the middle pillar that creates the hawkmap that
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 12: creates the uranium energy that you were talking about, which
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 12: then again gets ordered in Bena, right, But there's no
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 12: like when when it's the pure pure chaos. Let's say,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 12: when it's the uncontrolled one. If you want to connect
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 12: to the tarrat for example, that could be the devil,
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 12: the typhoon that you mentioned. It's like the set the dragon,
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 12: the one again creating here is pen, the god Pen,
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 12: so it's the one that's going to destroy.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 11: It's like the serpent point up.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 12: It has its own like it has a need, but
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 12: it has to be controlled, right, Like you cannot just
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 12: destroy it everything. For example, someone will say I want
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 12: to have like a Kumbelina experience. Whatever, Okay, you can
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 12: have it, but then afterwards what they're going to do,
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 12: Like let's.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: Say I uh like the berries.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 12: Yeah, It's like let's say if I'm talking with a
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 12: Christian friend and then I destroy the normy idea of
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 12: Christianity that he has, Like I'm fucking this guy, like
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 12: his life is over, let's say, because his life is
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 12: built on top of that those that order that he
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 12: was created in, like a Christian let's say a country
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 12: by Christian France or whatever. And then I come to
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 12: him and say, no, but this and that and that
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 12: and that.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 11: Is bullshit, like it's actually some other thing.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 12: If I don't teach him how to rebuild again, if
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 12: I just destroy, I completely agree with you, then he's
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 12: fucked like that.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 11: That's not cool at all. It's it's gonna f him.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 12: But I maybe, like we're talking about the Ranian one,
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 12: I guess it would be more connected to like the star,
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 12: which in this sick is like Panora Soupreneur's box, right,
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 12: the chaos that Actually it's almost as if the Zoos
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 12: is like, okay, guys, now you get the power that
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 12: Prometheus gave you, but you get to bad things as well.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 12: It's like not only good things come on now you
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 12: can create stuff, but you can create some bad stuff
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 12: as well.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 11: Then Pandora is doing the shady where.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 12: But it's it's cool because the star comes after the tower,
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 12: which is again you just destroyed the same castle. You
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 12: destroyed everything that doesn't matter and you don't need it anymore,
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 12: and so on, and then now you plant new stuff.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 12: It's like again the staff hope. And so it's again
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 12: the chaos being the starting.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 11: Point from which you organize. It's it's uh.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 12: If you take any example, right, if you want to cook,
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 12: it's gonna be a chaotic thing. Everything is gonna be around,
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 12: it's alsthing. You've got to organize it into food. If
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 12: you want to be a good whatever electrician, you gotta
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 12: organize everything for the electric thing to be.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 11: Built or the house.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 12: And again you have to grab that chaotic thing, all
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 12: those materials and optimize them into something nice.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 11: So so as a maybe from where you start, it's
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 11: gonna be more chaotic. Yeah, especially if you don't know. Right. Again,
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 11: the homa you kind of.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 12: You understand, you'll not understand you you are aware it exists,
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 12: but you don't understand it.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 11: So again it's chaotic. Gotta make sense of it. Got
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 11: to bring it to me, not either Ethan.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 8: Do you remember watching the uh, the video about the
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 8: the plane of inertia on trialogues.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 7: The plane of inertia.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 8: No, remind me the cad wheeler UH clip where he's
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 8: talking about the plane of inertia. How everything sort of
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 8: exists inside of this thing. It's got the figure right.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: In the middle.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 8: Run away inside of it. How much of what they're
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 8: talking about sort of fits into that model?
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 7: Well, I I was that's a that's a great example.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 14: And I was thinking about with the uh the idea
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 14: of the two pillars.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 7: You know, I'm maybe it's I'm just so innocent.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 14: Maybe I don't know, But whenever there's this idea of
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 14: midd path or right path or left pillar whatever I mean,
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 14: I am astonished when anyone says right or left handed,
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 14: because the pursuit of balance is so ingrained into me
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 14: by way of the middle Path and Buddhism and the
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 14: whole balance and tai chi and not of course too this.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 14: So I think of the pillars as being potential actions
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 14: or potential being right. We have the potential for severity
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 14: or the potential for mercy. My tai chi teacher put
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 14: it really well, there's the potential for flexibility, and there's
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 14: a potential for rigidity. In flexibility, there is still the
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 14: potential for rigidity. In rigidity, there's not the potential for flexibility.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 14: So sometimes it might be actually performance useful to be
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 14: in one or the other left handed or right handed
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 14: pillars for the circumstances and situations. But often I feel
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 14: like the middle path is is where we want to be.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 14: And you know that depiction Headless had the straight line
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 14: within it is as the center line intersecting with the
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 14: center point, and that's really where our physical and psychic
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 14: power is most potentiated, is when we're balanced right. So
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 14: I always think about just pursuing the middle path, and
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 14: then I am I have the ability to be to
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 14: understand that both polls.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 8: Well, spin creates polls and balance spin right, And so
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 8: the idea of spin, when it comes to you know,
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 8: the fundamental nature of the universe as well as these
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 8: higher topics, never usually brought up. But you know, spin
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 8: creates that dip larity of you know, on one side,
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 8: it's moving in one direction and on the other it's
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 8: it's moving in a completely different direction based off of
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 8: your perception of the thing. So spin at the very
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 8: core starts to create weird geometries. And that's like one
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 8: of the fundamental principles, which is the taurus right, like
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 8: this trust energy field. Whenever you're talking about spin within
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 8: the toroid, you've got the figure eight of this constant
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 8: motion being pulled through the middle right, the middle pillar
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 8: being the result of spin.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: That's interesting when we're talking about the middle pillar ritual,
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: you are picturing a spiral coming down yourself as well,
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: and stuff going out and looking around you making an X,
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: and then down the middle.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 3: Pillar of you is the spiral.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: I think that that's why, like even that spiral sometimes
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: that you see like drawn on walls and shit, sometimes
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: I do think it's representing that it's not always like.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 14: Some antichi, we conceptualize centric fugel and centrifugal forces emitting and.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 7: Coming to our our center, same same kind of idea.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 10: I love that you said that, Ethan. I thought that
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 10: was really good and that was a great point Nick
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 10: about the I think it's a universal thing, Like I
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 10: don't think it's specific to me or specific to anyone,
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 10: like Ethan is saying, like I think that, like you
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 10: could look at Daoism as a very like more on
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 10: the side of chaos, because they often like give they
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 10: sort of give homage. I would say it's a primarial
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 10: chaos often in Dronza, so I think.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 14: It's they allow chaos to unfold and work with it
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 14: in the Wu Way idea.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 10: Right, So not to interrupt, No, no, no, that's a
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 10: great because like Daoism is Wu Way and zerin, so
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 10: it's spontaneity and like allowing exactly what Ethan said, I'm
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 10: just using the matter and words whatever.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: It's exactly that.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 10: It's just like letting it unfold like a flower, Like
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 10: that is the universal you can say that is the
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 10: universal metaphor for the universe. Right is the flower, like
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 10: whether it's a lotus and okay, spinning swaska absolutely, you know,
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 10: like this is a very tonic thing, like you see
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 10: a lot of the primordial chaoscott as she wields a
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 10: swastka sometimes. But you know it's it's like the spinning
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 10: motion of the universe. And like which way does it spin? Well,
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 10: we would say it spins non dually. We would say
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 10: it doesn't spin left or right. We would say it
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 10: spins in our perception, so we get to choose. That's
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 10: how I think of it. I'm not saying that's right
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 10: or wrong, and just when we also say stars over planets,
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 10: but we don't worship stars either, So I just want
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 10: to point that out. Is like we're not so fixed
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 10: in the seven luminaries because we also have a nine
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 10: luminary system, especially in Tntra and in Joe Tish in general.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 10: So we use the nine planets, and they are nine planets.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 10: Like people misunderstand this, but Rahu and Katchu our planets.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: They may not exist physically exist, but they they are
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: there and they have to be understood to be there.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: And of course, like even when David Ranking came on
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: him and I spoke a little bit about this, I
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: asked him like straight up, I was like, David, how
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: do you reconcile the outer three with Rahu Ketu? He
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: was like how do you?
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 10: And I said, Okay, Well, Katu for Neptune, Uranus for Rahu,
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 10: and Pluto is like a way out, just like death
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 10: is a way out for everybody pretty much. They all
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 10: think that. So if you if you matt Pluto to death,
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 10: not everybody does, right, Like I think Urine, and I've
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 10: said this like Uranus and Pluto can switch, So I
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 10: think like they can switch the sort of if you
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 10: want to call the planets the klipas. They can switch,
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 10: but I think that they're because I think it's not
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 10: fixed either. I think the tree, like Matt talks a
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 10: lot about this, the tree is ever evolving, it's ever unfolding,
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 10: ever expanding. So it's just like it's it's not about like, oh,
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 10: I'm going to preface this thing. Because ideas can be wrong,
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 10: institutions can be wrong, So do you not challenge them?
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 10: I'm not asking you, I'm just saying in general, like
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 10: Nick was talking about, like changing t lima, you can't
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 10: change talma if you're on the side of total order
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 10: because then you're like Judge dread and you're just supporting
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 10: the You're just supporting the sort of pillars of how
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 10: you think reality is. But if you're challenging something, you're
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 10: pushing kind of against what you think it can be,
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 10: or you're trying to transform it into what you think
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 10: it can be.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 9: I you brought up earlier the three body problem too,
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 9: and I just wanted to throw that out there too,
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 9: because I know I talked about this a little bit
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 9: in the Hercules video. But you know, when you have
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 9: a two body system like the Sun and the Earth,
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 9: like the math checks out like it's very harmonious. It
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 9: is a simple system, but throwing the moon in there
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 9: that created the first three body problem. And with Rahu
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 9: and K two being the and the nodes of the moon, right,
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 9: the moon is what really introduced that chaos into that system.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 9: And it's just kind of funny how it works like that,
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 9: because you know, then you have Rahu K two which
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 9: is the chaos serpent, right typhon, and also that being
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 9: associated to the north and south node right where we
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 9: have the eclipses, which Typhon is also associated with. You know,
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 9: I won't get too deep into that, but because I guess,
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 9: like I would make the argument again that I don't
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 9: think that the north node and South node are necessarily
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 9: like Uranus and Neptune, but they are so similar I
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 9: really do understand, because one is like, uh, like that
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 9: oh white hole and the other is like a black
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 9: hole almost and right, Neptune dissolves and Uranus is like
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 9: that pushing us forward principle. So I don't know, it's
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 9: an interesting, uh, it's an interesting idea. It's an interesting
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 9: thing to think about, for sure.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: I think you're right.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 10: The sheriffs sorry, headless just let me say this one
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 10: thing and then I'll shut up for a long time.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 10: Aeros here, You're right, Actually it's not exactly the same,
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 10: because you have to think of it like what Matt
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 10: said the Path of the Dragon. You have to think
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 10: that he is a gential being who climbs up together
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 10: on his own. Then he fully manifests Uranus, then he
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 10: fully manifests Neptune.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: He doesn't start off there.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 10: In fact, you could say that his favored position is
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 10: to be at Gevra and at Shawnee or Saturn or Benna,
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 10: because he loves matter and he also loves the destruction
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 10: of matter. He's very dualistic, is how we would understand.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 10: This is a strictly contract, but that's how we would
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 10: understand him. So the Uranian impulse, you could say, I
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 10: know other magicians have called it that God is to
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 10: take us outside of matter. Like Matt was saying, it's
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 10: like that relationship between Ketter and Hopema, between like all
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 10: that is or all the unity, and like the unmanifest wisdom,
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 10: the cloudy smoky thing, because like Kaketu, his tail is
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 10: always described as smoke, So very similar thing.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: I have a question. I've been too embarrassed to ask,
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: so go for it.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 8: When they say it's sixty degrees north and sixty degrees south,
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 8: I have no idea where that is on the ecliptic.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 8: I don't know what I'm picturing. So Rahu and Ketu
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 8: is like these two different points. Is that on the
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 8: chart itself or is that actually in the sky? Could
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 8: you map that out to the stars themselves.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 9: I mean, let's just pull up a picture of the
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 9: north and south note.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 11: I suppose, yeah, do you.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: Have one, I'll pull one up.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: Oh for people who are listening, and uh, probably after
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: this we have to wrap it up. I did get
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: a confirmation at least at nine o'clock guest is coming on,
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: so we do have a fred RC at nine o'clock.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 3: I'm not expecting anybody.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: Here to be showing up for that. Maybe I've hedless one.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: I'm coming to that, okay, I got I also got
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: also got jewels.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 3: Jewels coming on. Jewels is definitely going on for that.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: I put it at nine o'clock so he could because
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: I know he's really big into the Nokia Magic and
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: just just to just to throw it out there, this
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: guy has his own podcast too, and I was kind
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: of telling him my situation, and I guess I'm not
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: the only one that that has happened to.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: He's not too happy about her reason.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 10: She's very high strong, you can tell. I can tell
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 10: just watching her videos. It's like she's very tense. She
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 10: come back down, come back down to malcouth, Georgina. You
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 10: don't have to live at you know, you don't have
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 10: to live in home all the time.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 9: How do I make this go on the screen?
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know how to do it.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 9: Oh no, my email, No, don't look at that. Okay,
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 9: it should be good. Okay, So that's they're not actual
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 9: like parts of the guy. It's just where that the
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 9: Moon's elliptical and the Earth's elliptical around the sun, like where.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 10: They meet, where they meet, got it, shadow planets, headless.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 10: That's how he's even thought of, like very subtle body.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 10: I mean, Rahu's a physical body, you could say, but
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 10: it's like he's the on it and the catchoo is
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 10: the opal or the cat's eye.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 9: Yes, and that's where we always have the eclipses.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: See, I find that really interesting how you then eclipse
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 2: falls into this because they've even said from my experiences,
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: I feel like like polarity changed when they separated from
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: each other.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 8: Right, But it's bringing that three body problem into very
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 8: very sharp contrast because you can see all of the
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 8: different parts of the geometry that are now flung into
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 8: gravity with each other.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: And how does that make any sense?
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 9: And the elliptal the I don't even know if that's
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 9: the is ellyptal.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: A word, elliptic, elliptic.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 9: The elliptics. So the Moon's is about five degrees off
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 9: from the Sun. And what's really interesting is you know
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 9: the north and the south node, it takes eighteen and
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 9: a half years for them to return to their like
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 9: in your birth chart for example, example, a lunar return
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 9: takes eighteen and a half years for it to return
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 9: to its original spot. But there's this this point where
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 9: the moon goes out of bounds and it'll go five
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 9: degrees below the tropic of Capricorn every eighteen and a
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 9: half years. We're in a period like that now. Actually
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 9: last January it was at its peak at the lowest
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 9: that it goes. So it goes the moon goes out
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 9: of bounds below where the Sun ever goes, so it's
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 9: out of it's out of aspect of like raw or Helios, right,
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 9: which fights back that chaos, and it goes below Capricorn
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 9: into the cold, wintry dep's where the moon is debilitated.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 9: So that's kind of interesting. Actually, it's going below the
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 9: elliptic or the tropic of Capricorn. January sixteenth, it'll be
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  Speaker 9: the lowest again. And this happens for about three years,
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  Speaker 9: where it'll go below that tropic of Capricorn every eighteen
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  Speaker 9: and a half years. So it's just kind of an
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  Speaker 9: interesting thing.
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  Speaker 14: I have an abstract question on something we've been we've
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  Speaker 14: been discussing. I can totally relate to the idea of
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  Speaker 14: an ARCon being of a planet, or an arcontic force
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 14: of the planet, and and then but also there's this
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 14: idea that there are arcontic forces. Maybe they are in
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 14: fragmentation or maybe they're more separate entities. But there was
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 14: this gnostic idea of arcons coming from Saturn to Earth
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 14: because they did not like our music and singing. And
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  Speaker 14: it makes me gin specifically, I kind of have sometimes
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  Speaker 14: related this arconic force to the Buddhist idea of hungry ghosts.
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  Speaker 14: I wonder if you might maybe elaborate on the astrological
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  Speaker 14: arcontic and these maybe parasitic arcontic forces.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, thank you, Ethan, I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 10: So this is obviously partly a mad question too because
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  Speaker 10: he is the Bana Hope Ma guy. But it definitely
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  Speaker 10: you could say that Saturn or Shanni. Well, okay, so
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  Speaker 10: let's start out with this. In of Sanskrit, planets are
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 10: called grajas. So right away from a Buddhist perspective, that's
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  Speaker 10: not a good sign. That grasper like a serpent keeping
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 10: us here but not necessarily here, is in material creation
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  Speaker 10: in our consciousness. So we only can embody the pure
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 10: concept quote unquote pure concept of the planet. But if
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  Speaker 10: even if you read the we'll just stick to my system,
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 10: like we'll stick circularly to our Tarbadas or Joe Tisha.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 10: We'll say, if you read the stories, the planets are
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 10: very jealous, kind of like flawed lower devas, lower gods.
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  Speaker 10: They are not the highest pinnacle of consciousness Buddhisms. Obviously
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 10: you know this, but Buddhism is very concerned with consciousness
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 10: and like having a quote unquote pristine consciousness.
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  Speaker 1: So if you are a pure.
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  Speaker 10: Concept of a four or that is inhabited by the
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 10: five maras, so lust, greed, anger, jealousy, and there's one
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  Speaker 10: more I'm forgetting. But yeah, the planets embody these kind
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  Speaker 10: of clichs. Are these poisons the strongest and so and
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 10: this is also the idea of the klipas too, right,
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 10: the klipas are people get really obsessed with them because
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 10: if they think it's left hand path and it's so
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 10: edgy and so awesome, And in a way it is
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 10: kind of awesome because you can conceptually understand things, conceptually
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 10: relate things, but you're not supposed to take it as like, oh,
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 10: I must worship these things. You're just supposed to take
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 10: it as like, oh, okay, this is the way that
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 10: sometimes traveling if you want to call it that, like
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 10: traveling through the suffer of Bana. Sometimes our understanding can
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 10: actually be misunderstanding our One of the klipas of Binna
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 10: is actually the occultation of things, so the darkening of things,
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 10: hiding things behind saying oh this is secret knowledge, like
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 10: what we were talking about this right at the beginning,
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 10: like leaving the institutional frameworks, so like everything that Nick
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 10: has done for the whole time that he's been doing this,
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 10: when he did like I'm not trying to big nick up,
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 10: but I'm just saying for me, it was pivotal as well.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: But like when he was like Ny.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 10: Patriot and like you know, doing is saying that he's
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 10: breaking the klip up of Dinna, like very literally, he's saying,
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 10: like this is not secret, we're taking out of the institution.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 10: We're like very That's very aonic to me. So I
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 10: don't know if that directly responds to your question, Ethan,
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 10: but definitely there are aonic quality or ionic sorry or
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 10: contic qualities in every planet. I'm not saying the planets
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 10: are evil. I don't think that. I'm just saying that
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 10: they position themselves as having lower desires, as we were
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 10: talking about before, So I think that people should try.
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 10: And because I'm not perfect either, I'm not saying that like,
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 10: oh I'm like some proceners and.
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: Absolutely not if I was.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 10: If I was out of proscene, i'd be like traveling
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 10: the hyperspace Kingdom, like surfing on my surfboard, like out
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 10: of here. But the reality is it's like I'm here,
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 10: so I have to, you know, reconcile, like like you Ethan,
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 10: Like I wasn't trying to joke because I know you surf,
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 10: but I but that is how I like in it.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: It's very much like the silver surfer, the quicksilver surfer.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 10: He's out there in the in the in the universe
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 10: on the eighth wave on his board, and that is
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 10: like sort of how we should be. But we also
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 10: are in the world of form, so we have to
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 10: kind of reconcile these two things, these two polarities, and
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 10: that's like the perfect thing, because you know, Buddhism says
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 10: that there are ten polarities, eight polarities outside of you
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 10: and two within you, one up, one down, so we
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 10: get to choose. And these are also related to the
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 10: inner channels, and as Nick would pose it, they're also
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 10: related to yes, your optic nerve, Yes, your physical body.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 10: There is a physiological way to map the treaty and
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 10: to map magic. I personally leave that very strongly.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, some of the nasty things, some of the
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 2: nastic saints that that Crowley put in, is a you know,
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: the gnustic mess. I mean, draw the eyeballs in the
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: brain in their own work. So just right there, if
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 2: you look at the people that he talks about, thank you, Jen,
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 2: nor anybody else, did you have anything else you wanted
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: to add before we wrap it up? Unfortunately, now since
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 2: I know I have this other guest coming, I kind
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: of want to wrap it up.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 7: So that was inured.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: Thank you, guys. I'm sorry that it turned into the
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: Gin Show and spe but no.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 2: I thought that was great. Actually no, I mean you
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 2: guys got to go back and forth. Everybody was respectful,
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 2: and I thought that was like really interesting just to
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 2: hear each other's takes.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 3: I mean I got something out of both of you.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 3: I thought that was great.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 10: Actually, yeah, Mondrick is the dialogue is the discourse? I
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 10: think I don't agree on that.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 9: I was so happy for it. I just be able
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 9: to talk to someone who can explain they're reasoning for
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 9: things in such great detail.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 10: Thank you, Eric, So I really appreciate that. And likewise,
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 10: I respect you greatly for all your knowledge.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: I really do.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 10: And I think it's a mark of a great kabalist
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 10: to be able to As we've always talked about in
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 10: the Greay Lodge, Matus heard me say this ten million times,
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 10: but you have to be able to defend your positions
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 10: if you're going to have a cabalistic position, like if
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 10: I say the aon is on path twenty two. I
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 10: better be able to tell you, even if you had
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 10: never cracked a Cabala book in your life, I better
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 10: be able to explain that to you in a way
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 10: that is understandable, discernible, and testable through your own wisdom, science,
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 10: or your own practice of it, rather than just like say, oh,
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 10: believe me, No, I don't believe in that anymore. I'm
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 10: very much like I like what you know. I think
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 10: Nick and Judith also agree, like and Matt. Obviously, if
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 10: you as a magician, you have to always say show me.
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 3: I like that. I like that a lot. Very good,
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 3: very good.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: Ja.
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 3: I thought that was great. I really appreciate all you
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 3: coming on.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: Sorry again about the guest, but I think this show
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 2: was a It was awesome anyway, so it doesn't matter.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: So Judy, thank you so much for coming on. Please
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 2: we definitely have to get you on again.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 5: It was my pleasure. I tell you, A spark was
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 5: lit under me.
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 2: And it's fun talking about that ship again, right it is?
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: It is?
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you want to you wanta everybody know about
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: you show and stuff?
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 4: Again, it's it's basic self awareness on a more mundane plane.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 4: But it's still lone and I just help guy. Well,
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 4: I give people tools to help themselves get in tune
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 4: with their inner cells. And I also do buddy check
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 4: once a month for the veterans to help them get act.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 4: We made it into civilian life too.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 3: That's awesome. That's good. That's great stuff.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 2: Juthing Yeah, and if yeah, I'll include your include the
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 2: link for your show in the bottom Hellos Giant, please, my.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: Man, how you doing.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 8: You can find me at the Headless Giant podcast on
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 8: YouTube and on uh now Rumble and also on x
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 8: SO check me out over there. I've got shows coming
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 8: up and shows that I've already done this week, so
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 8: check them out.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's awesome, dude. Yeah, he's a very very
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: busy man. Go check out his channel and Ethan Indigo sir.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 14: Thanks everyone so much, Nick for putting this together. Hopefully
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 14: we'll get to talk with Georgina in the future. Thanks
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 14: to you guys for the insight and inspiration. So I'm easy
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 14: to find and appreciate people reaching out and see us.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: Sunday Headless got it awesome.
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 2: Thank you very much for coming on, Ethan. I appreciate
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 2: you making the time I easy during the day for you.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: But that's what's up a rose, what is going on?
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: Thank you for coming on.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 9: Yeah, thanks for having me Nick. As always, you can
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 9: find me on YouTube at Arrows Up and you can
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 9: find me on x SAT Arrows to eat those Yeah, no,
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 9: Georgina and that was a bummer, but I still had
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 9: a great.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 11: Time, Okay, So.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 3: Thank you for coming on, and Matt my man, I
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 3: appreciate it, sir.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 11: Yes, fucking t wee ball. We can handle a panel
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 11: good even if the guests doesn't come.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 12: But anyways, you can always find me as at Matt
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 12: Moore nineteen. That's gonna be Twitter, YouTube, uh TikTok, Instagram,
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 12: not rumbled, Twitch, maybe.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 11: Some other place I don't know.
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 12: Also or Gray Launch, the truegray Launch dot com with
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• 1:54:59
  Speaker 12: and my webs that's Kabala dot com k A A
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 12: B A l a h dot com. Like I said,
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 12: there's the third thing going on. So for interesting just
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 12: hit me up and I'll hook you up with the details. Thanks,
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 12: thank thanks everyone for having me. Was a blest and
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 12: uh yeah, even though again we kind of switched again,
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 12: that's the chaos, right, We managed the chaos.
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 3: That was great, Thank you.
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 2: I like that, and that's been at least jin. Please
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 2: let everybody know what's up. Oh maybe you can also
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 2: plug the branch, susans.
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 10: I will, so everybody check out the branch. He has
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 10: his Wednesday spaces. He's done multiple multiple episodes on my
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 10: show Threshold Saints, which you can find, of course at
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 10: the link that Mattress Drop, the True Gray Lodge with
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 10: a v plus Ultra Baby dot com, as well as
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 10: Threshold Saints dot substock dot com, which is what is
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 10: one of our many web portals are kind of graffiti
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 10: on the eighth wave, you can call it that we're doing.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: So I've just recently built that.
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  Speaker 10: Of course, you can find me on x and Ig,
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 10: at Threshold Saints or at wukongre Born to w Uko
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 10: Nng dropping an episode with Joe Nally. This other character
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 10: who I've had on a Zuki who calls himself a
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 10: motorcycle outlaw nationalist. This is a really interesting character. We
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 10: talked about Judge Dread and Machiavelli and so that'll be
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 10: a little different for me. And then I have two
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 10: amazing episodes with Satchke, who is basically well he considers
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 10: himself like the Saint of the Crystal Millennial Millennium Kingdom,
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 10: and he actually invented a way to use nineties computers
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 10: to build your own AI, like a personal AI that
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 10: is like for yourself that is not connected to like
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 10: the bigger AI.
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: So it's very exciting time.
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 10: I'm really been blessed through obviously this show in particular,
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 10: but also because of at, Joshua and Solar. Of course,
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 10: all three of those guys are like my homies, my brothers,
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 10: and so I really appreciate it, and it's been extremely
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 10: generative and I could not imagine doing aonic work without them.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: So check them all out. Check the Matt out.
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 10: I'm so proud of him doing his tarot and his
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 10: episode that he did at the Young the Young Library.
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 10: I'm sorry, madam forgetting that name, but the Young he
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 10: did a thing on Young A had a famous library
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  Speaker 1: Great arm Pagan podcast. Thank you very much, Thank you
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 1: very much, matt.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 2: Aten, thank you so much, Jenner, Thank everybody in the
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 2: chat and for jumping in and hanging out even though
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 2: we didn't have the guests. That's what's up. A lot
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 2: of Jesus, we're still here. Yeah, and if you've got time,
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  Speaker 2: check it out. Later on nine o'clock Freda RC. We'll
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 2: be talking about in Nochian magic. I'm very very excited
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 2: for that, so yeah, check it out, and uh yeah,
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 2: I guess until the next one, everybody be well, Lada,