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ITB: What Is Sean Mannion's Background – And Why Are The Eagles So Interested? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

• 0:09
  Speaker 1: Inside the birds is back.
• 0:14
  Speaker 2: What's going on? Everybody?
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: Jeff Mosher, Adam Kaplan and Wamp my friend. We thought
• 0:20
  Speaker 1: you were going to be down in Mobile, Alabama, and
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: you know, I know our listeners, you know, yeah, I
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: thought maybe we would see things on your socials and
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: you know, from a mobile.
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  Speaker 2: But I'll give you the floor to explain what happened.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, look, everyone knows by now, even if you live
• 0:35
  Speaker 3: on the West coast but off the area got crushed
• 0:38
  Speaker 3: by a snowstorm, first one we've had in years. It
• 0:42
  Speaker 3: was bad. You know, we got like eight depending where
• 0:44
  Speaker 3: you lived, eight to ten inches. And uh, you know
• 0:47
  Speaker 3: this is this just goes to show you, like you
• 0:49
  Speaker 3: just sometimes you have bad luck. So I purposely moved
• 0:51
  Speaker 3: my flight back because I just assumed that there would
• 0:54
  Speaker 3: be delays, which is my My original flight was just
• 0:56
  Speaker 3: to be eight a m Monday morning usually when I
• 0:58
  Speaker 3: when I fly out there, usually in the morning on Monday,
• 1:01
  Speaker 3: get there day before practices on Tuesday, and once you
• 1:05
  Speaker 3: know it, I was just to leave at two thirty.
• 1:08
  Speaker 3: It got delayed an hour and two hours and three
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  Speaker 3: and a half. The problem is that it completely would
• 1:14
  Speaker 3: make me miss my connection. You cannot fly into Mobile
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  Speaker 3: non stop. US USAir or USAir American is to Charlotte
• 1:23
  Speaker 3: and Delta is Atlanta, and I took Delta, which is
• 1:25
  Speaker 3: my favorite airlines. No offense to any other airlines, but
• 1:28
  Speaker 3: I just they just don't have enough NonStop stop with
• 1:30
  Speaker 3: this one. It's different, but in general American has the
• 1:33
  Speaker 3: monopoly it seems on nonstops. But anyway, for this trip,
• 1:36
  Speaker 3: so it's like, all right, I'm not that's it because
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  Speaker 3: the problem was there were still a lot of delays
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  Speaker 3: on Tuesday, and I'm like, why am I? Why am
• 1:43
  Speaker 3: I putting out cash for this when I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: be there for a day. So first time I've never
• 1:49
  Speaker 3: missed it. My first one was I believe Josh McCown's here.
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  Speaker 3: It was either two or three. I don't remember offhand.
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  Speaker 3: I know was at b West one. That was a
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  Speaker 3: great one. So yeah, bummer. You know, I love going there.
• 2:06
  Speaker 3: We get great information there. Although it's comical, and you
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  Speaker 3: know this, We've talked about this for years. The weather
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  Speaker 3: is chip lely dreary, it's the rainy season for Mobile.
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  Speaker 3: New Orleans is about an hour and a half from there,
• 2:18
  Speaker 3: actually maybe a less than that. I know a lot
• 2:20
  Speaker 3: of agents fly into New Orleans and they drive over
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  Speaker 3: save money sometimes. But anyway, yeah, so I don't get
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  Speaker 3: to go. It sucks. I'm bummed because I hate I'm
• 2:30
  Speaker 3: telling you, man, you're not always going to be right.
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  Speaker 3: You know this from going many years. You see some
• 2:34
  Speaker 3: things and your first vision of the guy turns out
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  Speaker 3: to be correct.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hm.
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  Speaker 3: And for the purpose of our pod, the Eagles were
• 2:43
  Speaker 3: right up there. I don't keep track of this anymore,
• 2:45
  Speaker 3: but with players that used to the players that were
• 2:49
  Speaker 3: drafted to the particular team from the Senior Bowl, you
• 2:52
  Speaker 3: can go for it's just a McNab, you can go
• 2:54
  Speaker 3: back decades. Then they slowed down a little bit. They noticed,
• 2:58
  Speaker 3: you know, they noticed that you got to be carefu that.
• 3:00
  Speaker 3: I remember talking to some people in the front office
• 3:01
  Speaker 3: years ago about it. But overall, yeah, it sucks not
• 3:05
  Speaker 3: being there. And I mentioned the Cooper cup story because
• 3:08
  Speaker 3: I remember when he was there. Man, he was great.
• 3:12
  Speaker 3: Ladd McConkie put on an all time show. You and
• 3:14
  Speaker 3: I were there. He was uncoverable. And sometimes you get
• 3:17
  Speaker 3: full three dance of practices where there's no tackling. Yeah,
• 3:21
  Speaker 3: you're going you're gonna get fulled it's like a training
• 3:23
  Speaker 3: camp practice. You could be fooled, but more often than
• 3:26
  Speaker 3: not you're going to right and uh, yeah, that's all right.
• 3:28
  Speaker 3: You know, we talked to scouting people, so won't find
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  Speaker 3: out what exactly what it looks like, but.
• 3:31
  Speaker 1: Sure, sure listen right now with the Eagles in an
• 3:34
  Speaker 1: OC search. I remember a couple of years with Comcast
• 3:37
  Speaker 1: Sports Net when I was Eagles insider there that we
• 3:41
  Speaker 1: went to the Senior Bowl when there was a lot
• 3:42
  Speaker 1: of things going on with the front office and the
• 3:44
  Speaker 1: coaching staff. Yeah, And there was one year me and McManus,
• 3:47
  Speaker 1: we talked about this all the time. To McManus, we uh,
• 3:50
  Speaker 1: there was some kind of rumor going on that Dave
• 3:52
  Speaker 1: pipp had been hired by the Eagles to.
• 3:55
  Speaker 3: Be story go ahead, I know, and.
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  Speaker 2: We Tim and I ran.
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  Speaker 1: No one had confirmed it. It wasn't like a big report.
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  Speaker 1: It was just sort of like word around was this
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  Speaker 1: might be happening. And Tim McMahons and I just happened
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  Speaker 1: to walk near Philbin Joe. Philben was the Dolphins coach. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and at the time, Pip was the assistant special teams
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  Speaker 1: coordinator I believe for the Dolphins. So Tim and I
• 4:22
  Speaker 1: look at each other and we're like, hey, Joe Philman,
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  Speaker 1: you got a second.
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  Speaker 3: That I didn't know. I thought you want to okay,
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  Speaker 3: I thought you want up to Pip. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Well no, that was so first we went up to
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  Speaker 1: Philbin and said, hey, this is what we're hearing and
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  Speaker 1: or we didn't even put it that that way. We're
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  Speaker 1: just like we basically said, hey, what do you think
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  Speaker 1: about losing fip to Uh.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's how we got to confirm that it was actually.
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  Speaker 3: Really good tip by the way, Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So to your point then, so I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: you remember this, but this is this is how ridiculous
• 4:53
  Speaker 1: it is.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Chip had people he was hiring, remember he they
• 4:56
  Speaker 2: weren't going to announce it all until they were.
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  Speaker 1: All done, like sometime in gosh, like late February, right,
• 5:03
  Speaker 1: maybe even March whatever.
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  Speaker 2: His plan was to announce the entire staff.
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  Speaker 1: So he had anybody working for him for the Eagles
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  Speaker 1: at the time wearing black jackets, not nothing Eagles like
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  Speaker 1: no Eagles logo. So you had no idea who these
• 5:18
  Speaker 1: guys were or what or that they were affiliated with
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles. So we knew what Dave Fipp looked like
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  Speaker 1: after talking to Philbin because we googled his picture and
• 5:26
  Speaker 1: then we found him in a black coat of course
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  Speaker 1: no Eagle's logo, and you know, we got him off
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  Speaker 1: the record confirmed that, yeah, he was going to be
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  Speaker 1: the Wow.
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  Speaker 3: That's because just one thing I thought, I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Really not supposed to do this. I don't want to
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  Speaker 2: get in trouble with.
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  Speaker 1: Right exactly, right, Well, what your your former coach out
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  Speaker 1: of here, so it's not your fault.
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  Speaker 3: But what I do recall, and you've seen this so
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  Speaker 3: many times, is when let's say, you know, if you've
• 5:53
  Speaker 3: heard the rumor that a coach's contractors up, they generally
• 5:59
  Speaker 3: will take off their their their their team guard where
• 6:02
  Speaker 3: they go to the Senior Bowl. That was a tip
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  Speaker 3: somebody got me, and man, it was like the guy
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  Speaker 3: told me he nailed it, because you know, there's sometimes
• 6:10
  Speaker 3: when I would hear stuff about a guy's whatever team
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  Speaker 3: it was, I was, I was looking at Okay, then
• 6:15
  Speaker 3: I look to find the guy because I don't know what
• 6:16
  Speaker 3: these guys look like most of the time, or you know,
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  Speaker 3: I go to the website guy's picture, but I don't
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  Speaker 3: know what he looks like. So anyway, I just remember,
• 6:22
  Speaker 3: like clockwork, there you go. The guy wasn't wearing the
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  Speaker 3: team identified stuff. And then sometimes when guys get jobs
• 6:29
  Speaker 3: because it's called it like a it's an unofficial coaches convention,
• 6:33
  Speaker 3: guys will just fly there to Mobile to meet with
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  Speaker 3: clubs and they get the job, they'll wear the stuff
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  Speaker 3: mm hmm. And it does. Sometimes it doesn't get it
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  Speaker 3: gets out more and often than not now very quickly.
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes it doesn't get out. Okay, So anyway, yeah, and
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  Speaker 3: most gyms don't like going to the Senior Bowl because
• 6:49
  Speaker 3: they don't want to be hit up by coaches or agents.
• 6:51
  Speaker 3: They just don't like going.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody in the NFL was there, and then it
• 6:57
  Speaker 1: just dwindled and windled and dwindled. Yeah, that's true. So
• 7:01
  Speaker 1: on the subject right of searching for coaches, obviously we'll
• 7:04
  Speaker 1: talk about the Eagles offensive coordinator search here at them.
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  Speaker 1: It's very interesting, right, Sometimes a name will surface and
• 7:10
  Speaker 1: in this case will be Sean Manion and people will
• 7:13
  Speaker 1: be like, whoa, where did that come from? And you
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  Speaker 1: know what's he been doing last? I remember he was
• 7:17
  Speaker 1: a backup quarterback. And then you start to go through
• 7:21
  Speaker 1: the bio or get more intel on a guy and
• 7:24
  Speaker 1: then things become crystal clear because Sean Manyon himself, I
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  Speaker 1: think we discussed this on the last part, does not
• 7:30
  Speaker 1: have a whole lot of coaching experience, right, But when
• 7:34
  Speaker 1: you look at the coaches that he has played for
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  Speaker 1: who have influenced him, you start to connect the dots.
• 7:41
  Speaker 1: You're talking about these West Coast I mean, he's played
• 7:44
  Speaker 1: for Kevin O'Connell, Sean McVay, Matt Lafleur.
• 7:47
  Speaker 2: He coaches for right now is all.
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  Speaker 1: Part of that West Coast offense with heavy prestat motion
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  Speaker 1: Tree and so that's where the dots really connect.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is not a coincidence, by the way, So
• 8:00
  Speaker 3: just so you know how early he is in his
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  Speaker 3: coaching career. He retired, like David Blow, who's now the
• 8:05
  Speaker 3: OC of the Commandos, retired after twenty three season. Was
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  Speaker 3: an offensive assistant just because it was an entry level job.
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  Speaker 3: They liked him. Lafloor liked him to promote him to quarterbacks
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  Speaker 3: coach very very quickly. You gotta be careful of that stuff.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, just retired. He's thirty three years old. But
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  Speaker 3: he's really smart. I talked to someone who's dealt with
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  Speaker 3: him for many for a number of years and it's
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  Speaker 3: not an agent, it's just someone who's and coaching, who
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  Speaker 3: knows him, has been around him, So yeah, he's really smart.
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  Speaker 3: They kind of knew he would go into coaching, like
• 8:35
  Speaker 3: kind of like Davis Webb knew from talking to people
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  Speaker 3: who know him he would probably go into coaching. But
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  Speaker 3: this is kind of early. But man, this this West
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  Speaker 3: Coast tree. I would say like sixty percent if not more,
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  Speaker 3: of the guys at the Eagles have interviewed so far,
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  Speaker 3: or either Shanahan McVay style of offenses. You've got the Andy
• 8:57
  Speaker 3: Reid one with with Matt Naggie. But it's it's funny
• 9:00
  Speaker 3: that they're really I think it's very cool that they're
• 9:04
  Speaker 3: looking at these young coaches. It's great to discover these guys.
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  Speaker 3: Jeffrey and when Joe Banner was there had a history
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  Speaker 3: of discovering these guys, right you know.
• 9:12
  Speaker 1: I think you're making a great point that I would say.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I haven't counted the number now with people interviewing,
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  Speaker 1: but the majority of them, if you count Kafka and Nagy,
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  Speaker 1: either come from one branch of the West Coast offense
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  Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, it's either the Andy Reid style offense
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  Speaker 1: or the mcfay slash Shanahan and those two are different itself.
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  Speaker 1: But like it makes you think, it makes Jim Bob
• 9:37
  Speaker 1: Cuter really stand out because I don't think he comes
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  Speaker 1: from that design.
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  Speaker 3: He's West Coast, but not their West coast, right right,
• 9:44
  Speaker 3: He's got he Jim Bob Couter has had other influences. Yeah,
• 9:49
  Speaker 3: that's the thing with quarterbacks. Excuse me, Oh see, you
• 9:53
  Speaker 3: have to know what their background is. Yep. Like with
• 9:56
  Speaker 3: Josh McDaniels, it's generally the Belichick Airhart offense with some
• 10:00
  Speaker 3: stuff he because coaches take from other coaches or other
• 10:03
  Speaker 3: schemes like that. Whatever they whatever they thought they needed
• 10:05
  Speaker 3: to add to their offense. But anyway, yeah, this has
• 10:07
  Speaker 3: been clearly deliberate. They're hitting the West Coast tree in
• 10:10
  Speaker 3: a lot of young guys. It's it's cool, but you
• 10:13
  Speaker 3: know it's it's hard, man, It's really hard. If you're
• 10:16
  Speaker 3: a young coach who's never called plays, you're trying to
• 10:19
  Speaker 3: get Hurts back on track. You know you you got it.
• 10:23
  Speaker 3: Then it's the stout influence of of what he wants.
• 10:26
  Speaker 3: It's not easy. It's it's not easy to find everything
• 10:31
  Speaker 3: matching up with him. It's hard tell Moore that he
• 10:34
  Speaker 3: made it work. You know, he made it work. It's
• 10:37
  Speaker 3: not are a lot of challenges with this job.
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we've talked about this even I think in the
• 10:41
  Speaker 1: last o s search is that it's it's not it's
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: it's not as extreme as I understand it as when
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: they had Washburn before they had a defensive coordinator, you
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: know where people were like, I do front right, Like
• 10:52
  Speaker 1: that's not my I'm a zone guy, You're.
• 10:54
  Speaker 3: A man guy, like a big that's a big deal.
• 10:57
  Speaker 2: That was huge.
• 10:58
  Speaker 1: I mean there were you and I know this, there
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: are really really good defensive coordinators or were offered that
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: job who are like, I'm not coming here with that that.
• 11:08
  Speaker 2: Scheme already in place.
• 11:09
  Speaker 1: And then because of that you got Juan Castillo. So
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: it's not but yes.
• 11:14
  Speaker 2: You're right.
• 11:15
  Speaker 1: Like the run game the Eagles have had have worked,
• 11:17
  Speaker 1: it's worked for the most part for five years, and
• 11:19
  Speaker 1: it's and Stalin has been the run designer for it.
• 11:22
  Speaker 1: And you wonder how that would either mesh or not
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: mesh with people who are coming in looking at the job.
• 11:28
  Speaker 1: So some people can handle it, some some may have
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: more particular tastes of how you run the ball, but.
• 11:34
  Speaker 2: They are listen.
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: The fact that people who come from the Shanahan McVeigh
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: tree will sit down and listen and you know, have
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: talked to the Eagles, it's maybe an encouraging sign that
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: it could work.
• 11:43
  Speaker 2: But you'll have to see where they go.
• 11:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, as I said on the show we did Monday morning,
• 11:50
  Speaker 3: you know, these typically take two weeks in neighborhood, give
• 11:54
  Speaker 3: or take a couple of days. But yeah, it's taking
• 11:57
  Speaker 3: over two weeks. Mean, it's it's some of the guys
• 12:00
  Speaker 3: got jobs. Some guys pull their name out whatever reason.
• 12:04
  Speaker 3: They have their own reasons. Some they thought they weren't
• 12:06
  Speaker 3: getting it. Maybe some thought that this was going to
• 12:09
  Speaker 3: extend a little bit longer. They didn't want to wait
• 12:10
  Speaker 3: because they want jobs like that. If Eagles aren't prepared
• 12:13
  Speaker 3: to make a decision, let's say in the next forty
• 12:14
  Speaker 3: eight hours, some coaches are involved in the said, listen,
• 12:17
  Speaker 3: I gotta work. I can't wait for this. Sure, you
• 12:19
  Speaker 3: know that's.
• 12:20
  Speaker 1: I did feel like the Eagles were becoming a little
• 12:22
  Speaker 1: bit like Penn State did after firing Fright or they
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: were getting everybody all the other college coaches were getting
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: raises from their from their coach, from their teams and
• 12:30
  Speaker 1: everything like that because they didn't.
• 12:31
  Speaker 3: Want Yeah you saw yeah, yeah yeah. The Jaguar coordinators,
• 12:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah they're gonna they're gonna get a bump because they were.
• 12:39
  Speaker 3: You know when guys who were like finalists they get out.
• 12:43
  Speaker 3: If they've got a good agent, they could leverage the
• 12:45
  Speaker 3: hell out of that, right you know, from the cloud.
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: Do you think that I feel like the Eagles, I
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: don't want to say dodge the bullet, but it is
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: a benefit to them. I think that Todd Munkin became
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns head coach because it would have been
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: the Giants and that would have been.
• 13:00
  Speaker 2: The coach against the Eagles.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm that was when we talked about this like
• 13:06
  Speaker 3: two and a half weeks ago. Mankin was not on
• 13:08
  Speaker 3: their list for whatever reason. My thought process on that
• 13:12
  Speaker 3: was they knew what it was. He was going with
• 13:13
  Speaker 3: Harps right now. I am surprised. Good for him. It
• 13:16
  Speaker 3: seems he's a good dude. He's an excellent play color
• 13:18
  Speaker 3: and designer. He was a head coach at Southern miss
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  Speaker 3: In college. He's not that sixty years old as old
• 13:27
  Speaker 3: or fifty nine whatever. Fifte hundred and sixty whatever he is,
• 13:29
  Speaker 3: but we'll see it's it's really hard to win in Cleveland.
• 13:33
  Speaker 3: Kevin Stefansy can tell you that. Two time Coach of
• 13:35
  Speaker 3: the Year, yeah, you know, and then his first four
• 13:37
  Speaker 3: years and then you know, it just didn't go well
• 13:39
  Speaker 3: for him at the end. But he's in Atlanta in
• 13:41
  Speaker 3: good spot. And this has been one of the most
• 13:43
  Speaker 3: unique head coaching searchers I've ever seen. It's just some
• 13:47
  Speaker 3: like totally not what I expected somewhere. Oh yeah, this
• 13:49
  Speaker 3: is obviously going to happen. And then Brian Dable want
• 13:52
  Speaker 3: you know, we warned people two weeks ago. We said
• 13:55
  Speaker 3: it would be a great choice, but we warned people
• 13:57
  Speaker 3: it's probably not going to happen because I told was
• 14:01
  Speaker 3: both Naggy and and uh Salah loved table. That was
• 14:07
  Speaker 3: the number one choice. Now what if it blew up?
• 14:12
  Speaker 3: He had to be smart to take other interviews. You
• 14:15
  Speaker 3: never want to be without when the music stops, so
• 14:18
  Speaker 3: to speaking, you don't have a job. You gotta have
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: a job. And he knows the Eagles personnel very well.
• 14:22
  Speaker 3: Coach Saquan Yep being the division, he knows it. So
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: I don't think he used him. I just think he
• 14:27
  Speaker 3: used more of a fallback. You call what you want.
• 14:28
  Speaker 3: That's just based on what I've heard. So anyway, sure
• 14:32
  Speaker 3: it is.
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: It is very i guess interesting or intriguing that the
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: two New York head coaches who got beat up pretty
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: badly in their New York coaching's career are now going
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: to be together in Tennessee, you know, hiding away there.
• 14:44
  Speaker 3: But it is I hadn't even thought of that. That's
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: a point that was, oh my god, wow.
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: Currently that's how they got to be chumming with each other.
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: One of them said, like you.
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, that's a great question. I
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: don't know. I I know. I know Braganzi was with
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: with day Ball in Kent City, so they know him,
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: and he's just I'm just telling you if I know,
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: some folks don't like Brian da Ball. He was not
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: a very good head coach. But I'm just telling you
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: the guy did talking the bills about it at the
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: time and put coaches to work with him. One of
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: the all times great jobs of coaching a quarterback hard,
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: like big time hard, getting after Josh Allen, wouldn't let
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: him slide. You know, he had bad mechanics and how
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: bad the accuracy was. Right, I'm just telling you you
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: have to know what was really going on with Josh Allen.
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: He was like a wild stallion, man. I mean, now
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: he's clearly the best quarterback. Wait one't like that. You
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: know you're coaching matters, folks. Don't let anyone full your
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: coaching matters like you can't believe.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Adam, let's finish off our state of
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: the roster on defense. Look who we did offense last podcast,
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: and let's start up front because there's there's a lot
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: of a lot of things going on with the defensive
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: front for the Eagles defense, as far as guys who
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: are not necessarily what year they're signed through, but whether
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: they're eligible for an extension or not.
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're Actually the good thing about the Eagles d
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: the D line group is they're young, they're talented. They
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: all showed something. Even Byron Young was a nice story.
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: Good good. Weaiver claim. What the hell were the Raiders thinking?
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: I know that they were not. He went through a
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: couple of coaching staffs. He was only there, you know,
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: really a less than two years. But whatever the case
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: may be, they didn't want him at all. They wanted
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: him out out of there. Well, he's been really good,
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: like a great discovery for the Eagles. Was again excellent
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: waiver claim so nenty Robinson's fifth, so Carter. So the
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: question is what does Dr Rozenols want Right, he's up
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: for he's eligible for an extension, Carter if if they
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: have to, if they can't get the deal done. They've
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: got the fifth year options due in in uh On
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: on May second, so they could just they could wait.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: But that's not why they were They're the only team
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: that does this. They're like, no, when the guys that,
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: when the guys has stud we're getting them signed because
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: we think we could beat the market. Right more often not,
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: they're right. So, yeah, Jordan Davis who had it, it's
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: a great decision by Howie, give him credit. I didn't
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: agree with that. I was wrong in terms of putting
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: the option, but I understood that once someone explained it
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: to me, I get why they did it because if
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: he would have a breakout season like he did and
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: they couldn't get a deal done, he signed for twenty
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: six is that's the option year that I had.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: Also, I had also forgotten there were different tiers of
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: the fifth year option. I thought it was one concrete number.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: I forgot that there isn't a higher tier, like if
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: you made two Pro Bowls or something, you get paid
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: more than because Jordan Davis did not have the highest
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: tier of fifth year option because he hadn't played a
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: certain amount.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: So I had forgotten about.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: That before when we were talking about why you wouldn't
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: do it back then there's.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: A smart move, and it because you want the best
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: case scenario. He blows it up, you try to get
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: a deal done. And if he doesn't have it, they have.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: They have tremendous leverage. They just have the fifth year
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: on I mean they this is the fifth year option year.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: I mean you would look, he just came on. It
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: took him long enough, but you know what them now
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: now the cash is really good. Cash right now is
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: under thirteen million, twelve million, nine thirty eight, so it's
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: a great number. But if you're in Jordan Davis, based
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: on the season that you had, you're showly going to
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: get better. And he for all the work that he's
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: put in to lose the weight, to understand what it's
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: like to be a professional, super high character kid, once
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: it badly. Like I'll be honest with you. We talked
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: about Swort he was drafted. It was in a scouting
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: report from clubs. Question how much he loved football. It's
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: a real thing. That was a real thing with him.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: He clearly loves it. Because you can't get like this,
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: you can't have the giant step you saw it on
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: inside the tape with Greg co Sell. He was his
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: harshest credit based stolely on tape. Can we explain what
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: the problems were? Greg? Greg said on one of our shows,
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: he's so happy for Jordan Davis because all the Greg
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: watches tape of thirty two teams. Think about what you
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: and Davis was two years ago, three years ago, you
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: look like a headed for Busviille. Was there any doubt
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: that he's gonna be a bust?
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: It's sure nothing two yours nothing right A little bit late,
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: I think there's there's a good conversation to have with
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: personnel people in scouting community, and I've had it with
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: some and they recognize that it's tough. There's not an
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: exact science to this. There's blind spots to the whole
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: does this person love football thing? Because I remember having
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: very similar conversations about Christian Gonzales, the cornerback for the Patriots,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: who they thought was timid or interest and he's a
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: baller man and like.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: And you could say, well, that's just scouts being stupid.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: No, because there are players who clearly are in it
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: for reasons other than love for football and they struggle.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: So it's it's very easy to say, well, your process
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: is flawed if you're questioning this guy's love for football. No,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: there are people who don't love football and it shows.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: I just I think it's a really difficult. Sometimes maybe
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: you have a one year, you're not having a good year,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: things are on your mind and you're giving that impression
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: off and it may not be the case, but either way,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: that was the knock on him, And there's been knock
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: on other players and it's worked in reverse. There've been oh,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: this guy football is all he does, live, sleep, sleep
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: during football, and then you know, these out of the
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: league in two years because the money got to him.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: So it's it's not an exact science.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: It Heloda No, here's a great example. There was a
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: very big knock on Helodi Dana yep and he obviously
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: became a great football player. You're right. It's unfortunately you
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: can't really quantify it in tape. You could see, you
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: could see effort, but you see technique during Daves was
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: so far away from technique that he could see. You
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: could quantify that because it shows, it'll show in a
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: variety of ways. But love for the game, there's no
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: way to measure that. You're absolutely right, like it. Clubs
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: get around all the time, yeah, and then I always
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: wonder who the hell they talking to sometimes, and they
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: get it when they're completely off right, when they're completely off.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: But the funny thing is you and I talked to
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: a lot of teams. They said the same thing. Yes,
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: weren't sure, and it's sure as hell. Did not look good,
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: but this is one of the things that makes Howie
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: really good. Not that they were going to trade them
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: or cut him or anything like that, but I just
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: know that when coaches. I'm not saying this staff was
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: down or want of Jordan Davis out of there, but
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: I know, going back a couple of decades, there's some
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: times where players were done with players, when coaches were
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: done with players, and house no we developed players here
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: could you? We got to give them a chance. Yeah,
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: you know, and and that's that's what you joined. My
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: life is another example of.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: This right where they could have walked away around. Second
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: time around has been much more on that.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah, straight and Eric Rowe after one year.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: Well that that was that was that was a Jim
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: Schwartz issue. That that's a that's a that's a mini
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: thirty's a thirty for thirty short that one. I'm the
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: dumbest thing ever. Yes, it became a safe thing of
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: got paid.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he wound up being a pretty he would have
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: been for Eagles for safeties like he would have been
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: pretty good because the Eagles went fifteen years between Dawkins
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: and uh, I just read Blankenship before they had a
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: good home grown the list.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: But you know it is we're gonna move on here.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: But I was just duck because we're going to get
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: the linebacker. Just made me think, yeah, when you look
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: at the Eagles linebacker group as we get through this, well,
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: I mean again, let me let me just finish the tackle.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: Let's finish the tackle here. Okay, we'll get We'll get
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: I'll be in a second. Moro Jomo, what a season
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: he had, certainly a breakout season in terms of pressure,
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: decent sack numbers. He's a good football player. He's just
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: with the run, you know, he's not wide, He's just
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: not that strong everything the Eagles thought he can be
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: he is. He's another guy. What Why the hell? What
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: was our what was our reporting on this? Why did
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: he drop to the seventh? Was it maturity or something? Yeah?
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Again, this is one of those things where it wasn't
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: a love football, was more like a odd locker room
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: guy like almost too smart.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: Too smart? Yeah, yeah, that was it wrong again? This
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: this guy like, come on the tape, the tape Cosell
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: when when Greg said he really liked Ojo was he
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: wanted to know what he asked us? We said, Hey,
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: it's could he be coach? You know, could you coach
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: him hard because he thinks he knows everything kind of thing. Yeah, okay,
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: guess what they were clubs are wrong?
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Yep, you know, guys, guy told me they thought Moro
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Jomo was the best interior rusher on the Longhorns defense
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: that year.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: So uh, Now for Barron Young, I mean Byron Murphy
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: or whatever Saddle drafted.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: I think he was drafted not the same, maybe not
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: to check.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: But either way, either way, I mean, if you have
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: that kind of talent and at that level of school
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: and someone thinks that about you, you probably shouldn't be
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: a seventh round pick or wherever.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he was seventh. It's just it's again, it's it's
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: absurd because think about it, he's on a rookie contract,
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: unbelievably cheap. There's only so much cash you could spend.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: They don't. Again, they don't have to extend him. He's
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: signed for twenty six but he's only going to make
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: one point one four five million, right, right, I'm sure
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: he's gonna want the cash.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: What did he did?
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: He he led the team in sacks, right, he had
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: six and a half or something like that.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: Not looking, I just know he had a good decent
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: sack number.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: But the thing is, his pressure rate's really good. He's
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: just a good football player. He can't He's not like
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: he's going to put on masks on his frame, right,
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: It's just he super long arms for that position. Yep,
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: good explosionary quickness, explosion. He has good hands for guys
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: not you know, real big physically, Yep, there's a mass,
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: but guy's just a It's and obviously Kevin Clint hurt
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: does help. Yeah, delone coach Yep.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Anyway, Yeah, by the way, amazing mil Williams.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: What a freaking story man.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: He it's so hard to have the year that he
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: had last year and then go follow it up and
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: have just as good, if not better, every year, and
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: he is well, I know.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: If I'm talking to people close to the Patriots early on,
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: they were like, OK, yeah, he had a fit because
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: it's it's a different scheme and the techniques are different.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: It's hard.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Plus he had an injury. I think he hit a
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: high ankles.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: Brain. Yeah, that's all about his pressure rate it But
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: he just what quarterback? Did he abuse the other guy?
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: What game was it?
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: He just I mean, he was throwing Minors around in
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: the AFC Championship game, and Minors is a pretty good guard.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: He's really all pro. But but it was actually, you know,
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: it wasn't that game though. It was one of the games.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: What's that was it?
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: The Chargers game?
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: Might have been the Charger game? Yeah, it sounds right.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: I just remember like took Soda who watched the tape
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: and they had invested reason too, said, holy bleep, this
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: is unbelieve what this guy's doing and stop walls you
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: were alluding to? Yahude, he's a final a football player.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: He's you know what I love because you know he
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: had the he had the short arms.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: Okay, you know I went to also lower level of
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: college football, Louisian attack. Let's see what happens yep. Using
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: the motion line, two things could be right. McNeil Studd
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: got paid twenty five large season then and Milt Williams
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: twenty eight million a season. How about that?
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: How about are By the way, my other famous line
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: is getting smashed to bits this year, which is like
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: the Eagles are the rare team that will fire, hire
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: and fire coaches even in years that they make the playoffs. Well,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: it seems like a lot of teams that made the
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: playoffs this year still fired coaches, including the Broncos firing
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: your offensive coordinator making the AFC Championship game.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: They're putting in Barty yet. Yeah, he doesn't call the place,
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: but he'd been. That's a he's a champagne guy, yep.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: With Yeah, over fifteen years to over fifteen years, got
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: has thawn on hard times. Yeah, Joel Lombart's a shame
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: he's as a great grand grandson of Evince.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Great grants or no grandson, yeah, grandson of well, he
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: looks like him. He looks like Chargers.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Chargers make the playoffs, win eleven games, they fire their
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: offensive coordinator.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: I mean it is.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: Really You're right, the Eagles are not the only team.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: But look, look it's we'll see what happens with the
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Eagle situation. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: So, So let's get to the Edges because I think
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: this is kind of interesting because of the free agency
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: here for for uh, what's his face?
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Uh, I can't Jalen.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Phillips, right, yeah, Jail Phillips is an unrestricted free agent.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: They gave up a third round pick for him. He's
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: perfect for what they do. He played the most snaps
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: once among all the Edges when he came over. So
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: if you can get this guy signed, and you know
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: you're gonna have to pay Jaelex Hunt this time next year,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: it does make me wonder what the future for Nolan
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Smith might be and if there's any trade value for him,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: If you don't think you're going to wind up signing
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: him to a long term just just spitballing.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, No, there's to me he made the big jump
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: in year two, then then towards the triceps. Yes, and
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: then he retore it.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: But don't forget he had the shoulder. He had that
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: shoulder injury in training camp of year two, came back
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: from it, had a little bit of a he might
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: have been on the injury report with it a little bit.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: He had a shoulder thing.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: So, and then had the triceps injury, and then even
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: this camp had another shoulder.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: He strained it. Yeah, he strained restrained his triceps, right,
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: It's you know, it's funny. Other teams tell us season
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: they think he's a much better run defender than he's
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: a pass rusher. Hmm. He is really good against the run.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: I didn't really know it quite to the way this
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: one personnal guy told me. Goesette. Sometimes he goes a
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: little bit lower than he should, but he plays with
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: such great technique versus the run as a force defender.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: He's really good at it. But that's not why they
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: drafted in the first round. It's nice to have. It's good, right,
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: So and Joos Hunt is head to stud them, but
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: for lack of a better term, he is I can't,
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: I'm I'm he's definitely head a schedule, like he's a
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: year head of schedule. Like this is hard to believe.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's fun to watch, by the way, he's just
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: fun to watch. You put the energy.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: Laugh. Yeah, drop like as someone with a note team
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: told me in scouting, is that you have to remember
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: he was once a safety and that's why he dropped
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: so well in coverage.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: They're not bachelor for doing it with him. You know
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: they'll they'll he get to do it. So so to
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: move this along here with the edges, Phillip's gonna come
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: down to what he wants, right they right now on
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: our contract, it's Hunt and Smith Phillips. Big O'jelari a
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: conqueror who got suffered an injury. Although Andrew said he
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: saw him in the locker room, I guess he said he's
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: gonna be good to go. He's he's recovered from his injury.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: That's good for oh both future for free agency. Joshushe
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: who did nothing to get benched, but he did a
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: good job. He actually was a bargain basement guy. Showed
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: he could still play, as co Sell would say, there's
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: something there he could still play there.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: You know, but they to me, they could do better
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: at the Nolan Smith as an intrusher. I know he's
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: good against the run, but they need to stay healthy too.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: That's another problem, is he's got to stay on the field. Yeah,
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: more productive as a pass rush yep.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it'll be interesting to see, you know what
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: the Eagles do.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: I think they're gonna wind up having an offensive heavy
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: draft because they need to replace some guys there.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: So we'll see, we'll see.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: To me, and we won't. We don't talk about draft
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: for much later. But it's offensive line and the receiver
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: obviously depending on what they do with aj Brown, and
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: obviously what team they run, because if a guy wants
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: to run a ton of eleven, they're definitely gonna have
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: to invest in receiver, edged edge and corner. Like. They
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: have so many things going on both sides of the football. Like,
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of questions for this team.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Very much, all right, So let's let's talk about the
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: the inside backers, I mean, the big the big question
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: is is Nikobe. You've got Zach Ball and who still
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: signed through twenty twenty seven, jo Hot Campbell another good
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: first round pick, trotter Mandon and of course NA Kobe
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Dean is the unrestricted free agent, so I mean the
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: biggest change would be if And again it's I hate.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: I don't like to talk in absolutes, especially after.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: What happened with n Kobe where he wind up basically
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: getting the starting job back, which.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Is very difficult to do and playing at a high level.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: But you know, you can't keep to hot Campbell off
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: the field too much longer the first round pick.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: What I know, we're going to use this phrase for
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: the ninth year. Never say never with Dean coming back.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: It's served us well because of the strangeness, particularly with
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: this football team and the way things happen. You never
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: you could never say never with with this situation because
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: you just mentioned it. Dean a medical marvel. He changed agencies.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: He wants to get paid. I don't blame him. We're
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: hoping to talk to N Kobe when I'm at Super
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: Bowl next week, but man, he just can Look if
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: they played a forty three front different still sorry, man,
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: We're not talking about based defin We're saying overall, if
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: they run a forty three, they don't, They're thirty four.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Right by the way, I'm glad you brought that up.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: We sort of got some emails or tweet responses back
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: when Nikobe was healthy and Johan was playing. Can't they
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: just switch to a four to three? And the answer
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: is no. It's not just like a structural thing. It's
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: what your personnel does. It's how they attack gaps, it's
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: how they look at their body sizes. They're built for
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: a three four. They have players who would probably struggle
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: to play in a four to three who are really
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: good in a three four, including having a nose like
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: three like Jordan Davis. Could Jordan Davis be a three
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: technique in a four to three maybe, but then you're
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: probably not using him to the best of his abilities exactly.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: So although he's improving, he made some stretch as a
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: pass rusher, it's not as zero as a pass rusher anymore.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: That was that was amongst his issues. He just had
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: no technique. He didn't understand how to rush the passer,
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: and he's getting better at it. But looking at linebacker
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: bonsigned for twenty seven, Camel for twenty eight, trotching or
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: through twenty seven, Mandan smiled Manda through twenty eight. So there,
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: this is this is the comedy of the show in
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: our ninth year, we folks have kind of new to
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: our platform. It would be painful, Like Manning some years,
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: we have this particular show that we're doing right now.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: We would do because we do a state of the
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: roster and then we give the intel as we get
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: flips for free. Here's where they here's what we're told.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: Here's a cash but cash not spend, spend. It was annoying.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: I mean, God blessed Mary and right.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: We're like, oh, well, you know they go into next
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: year with like Duke Riley.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: And exactly now Alex Singlet didn't work here. Good for Alex,
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: ladies doing well it could be, you know, it didn't
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: you know, unfortunately didn't win last week. But he's made
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: a lot of money. Good for him. But overall it
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: was it was such an embarrassment, total embarrassment. What they
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: were at linebacker. You just had a bunch of backups
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: out of play.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: Now TJ.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: Edwards, look, he at first it didn't look good. He
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: became a player. Good for him, yep, but now they
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: any team that runs an oddo man front and playing
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: two inside backers, show me a team that's in better
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: shape with depth than the Eagles couldn't eat obviously under contract,
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: he's not. But just never never thought we'd say it
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: in or nine years. I just it's but how he
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: talked about it more than once in the last couple years.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: They had to evolve when they went when they signed Barkley.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: It's not what they do right, they did it, you know.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: So that's why you've got to be careful of pigeon holding.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: The Eagles. Oh, they just want to throw the football
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: the time. I get that, but we also see when
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: certain things happen and it can help your quarterback out
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: and help your defense out. It's it's a different way
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: of thinking. I didn't think it ever happened either, but hey, it.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Works right in the back end. They really don't stand
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: to lose too much. The big unrestricted guys will read blanketship.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: Obviously it's safety. You know. Adori is an unrestricted free agent.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: I'm sure the Eagles feel like after this past year,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: you know, if if worse comes to worse, was they
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: get another one year veteran free agent to compete with
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: a draft pick or with Corriyan Bennett in year two
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: of learning the system, that they'll be okay because they
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: have Coop and they have Quinnon signed. Those guys will
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: have to get paid at this time next year. You
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: know they did draft Mac McWilliams. Will give him another year.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: This is Michael Carter. He still was a year right.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh he's he's made.
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, his money, you're going a lot of money.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: Look, they he would have to take a significant pickup
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: to come back. He gets how much money he's gonna
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: make and cash the season.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: It was something is it like eighteen million or something?
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: Crazy?
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it was. That's right.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And and now his Oh I think what happened?
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: I if I have to look this up. I think
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: they might have redid his contract. I'll look this up.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: I could, I could.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: Look this up. Oh you mean the Eagles might have after.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: I think at the time of the trade, they may
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: have done something with his contract.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Okay, I thought they just something to just make sure
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: that he would be a free agent.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: But yeah, they might have.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: So.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: I know there was a very small guarantee of less
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: than one point four million, but they may have cut
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: the total cash too. And I'll look this up.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: I got it all.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: You do that.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: I mean Mitchell signed through twenty seven to Jane through
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: twenty seven, Bennett through next year. Macouba obviously is on
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: the second. We'll enter the second year of a four
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: year deal. Same with mc williams. Ringo will still be
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: signed through next year. So they certainly have have bodies
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: and Ringo has been a really good special teamer for them.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: I know that the Ringo truthers are upset with us,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: but you know, he just hasn't been a starting corner.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: You don't work. I mean, honestly, he's not a number
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: three corner.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: For being honest, he you know, people got man to
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: me in the comments section that said he's number four.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: I was totally wrong. Like you just said, I don't
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: think he's it. Can't put him in the defense, you
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: just can't. Yeah, it's the lower bodies still, for this
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: is a real thing. We talked about this when he
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: was drafted. I only we probably could have done a
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: better job of going harder on that. I didn't think
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: it would be this bad of a problem. It's why
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: he's so great running down because he's got great straight
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: line speed.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Yep, it's a.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: Lack of lower body flexibility. That's why we would seeven
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: train can't get burned repeatedly because he can't swivel. The
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: can't just turn. It's hard. DK Metcalf. You never dk Metcalf.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: Other than the neck issue, he had trouble throttling down,
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: major problems doing It's why you really see short hair,
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: like just the pass of the flat, yeah, or something
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: within you just don't see that. That's not He can't
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: do that correct. He can't stop and start very quickly.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: It's hard. It's a real thing. We learned a lot
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: through the Ringo situation. But yeah, he's a phenomenal special
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: teams player.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Like that's yeah, that's him and Sydney Brown.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: They're tremendous athletes, and they're probably better athletes than they
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: are defensive backs, you know, like they probably they Yeah,
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: there definitely are, but they're they're somewhat limited by the
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: fact that they're so athletic that they don't have the
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: great technique that goes with the position.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: And some of that is because of their athleticism.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: It's unfortunate you just mentioned it how it could work
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: against you being an athlete football player.
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  Speaker 3: they felt at what that they had a good handle
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  Speaker 3: on it, because he was not very good in coverage
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: at Illinois and unfortunate showed up. Yeah, and then he
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  Speaker 3: got the A's. The sad part about it was he
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: finally started to make progress sinning towards ACL that last
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: game of rookie Seas against the Giants, I believe without
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: looking it up, I think that's what happened. He's really
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: never been the same, not from a physical standpoint. Just
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: he got behind VIC talked about it, and you're two
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: and he's just a special seams player. He's good at
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: it and every once while he's too good because he
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: gets bad penalties. Yes, but that's they're just gonna have
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: to learn. You don't draft box players early. You just don't.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: They learned it with Ja Kwon Jarrett, and they learned
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  Speaker 3: it with Sydney Brown.
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  Speaker 2: Well that's a name from the past. That's right now
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  Speaker 2: senior ball. A couple of years ago.
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  Speaker 3: He's with I think he's director of player Programs for
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  Speaker 3: the Panthers without looking.
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  Speaker 2: Because Matt Ruhle brought him in there.
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  Speaker 3: When Matt was with the Panthers, Temple could call connection.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Had to figure it out myself. I'm like, how
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  Speaker 2: did he get align with the Panthers and then he
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: goes rule. I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: All right. So did you get the numbers on Michael Carter?
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, No, it's it's it's that that. Yeah, it's
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: uh the cash is small, yeah, I mean, excuse me,
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: the cash the guarantee is very small. H So to
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: come back, you know, he's the kind of guy. Obviously,
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: did Jane place a part of this if they moved
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: Coop to corner? Michael Carter his first two years was
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: really good and then it just fell apart. Yeah, just
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: he they kept playing Isaiah Oliver, Isaiah Oliver over him
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: and another guy, and it just they they just said,
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: he said adios.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he could probably play well in a stable environment.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: I mean you saw he was the dime corner that
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Vick was starting. Vick had not played dime all year
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: until Michael Carter came along, and he didn't. I think
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: he felt me there was an advantage to it. So
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: it would be nice if they could work something out
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: for Michael Carter.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So God could play. God could play. So that
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: right now the true corners. Mitchell's on our contract. There's
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: twenty seven. Jacquaran Bennett through twenty six. I can go
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: through twenty six. Mac McWilliams through twenty eight. It's a
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: corners of problem opposite Mitchell. I mean, it just it's
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: it's a significant problem right now. Jacquarine Bennett is the
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: one where it's to the point. I mean, he's not
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: a contract. You might as well bring him back. He
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: just didn't get the defense. He just didn't get it. Yeah,
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: he's on a contract. I mean, I can't imagine they're
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: gonna get anything. They would get anything for him in
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: a trade. There's talent with this guy.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, that's why I hope they give him a
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: whole off season that just to get it, you know,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: because I could see him at very If you can
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: just get him to play.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: At a Dory Jackson level, then you're all right.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, he would hold it better because he's he
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: could run. He had some good tape with the Raiders
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: early in his career, and he was got a lot
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: of people liked in the draft come out of Maryland. Correct, Maryland.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: I believe you're correct on that.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So that's they got plenty of mac mcgwiams. He
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: just never contributed. There's the real belief with him is
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: he's really a nickel. That's really what he would want
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: him as built well for it, but kind of fell
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: behind a little bit. So they have a lot of
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: decisions to make. Obviously, Fangio and Joe Casper, the new
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: DB'ST coach who got promoted. I'm sure he's still coach safeties.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: But they got to make a decision here and then
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: the Dory Doeory Jackson's up. As we talked about, Yeah,
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: they they really need to address this in the draft.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: The corner position you can't get because again Ringo doesn't
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: factor in. Michael Carter's and Nickel Bennett did not do anything.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: Who knows and they don't know what They're gonna make
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: a decision on Coop sooner rather than later where he's
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: gonna line up. If Coop's saying Nickel, they probably need
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: two corners, then.
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, probably Yeah, you can sign one and draft one
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: for sure, somehow get to ye and then hope maybe,
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: and then you get lucky if Bennett really picks it
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: up in this second year, then then you're good.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Then you feel better about the situation. All right, good stuff.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: We will continue real quick.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: Do we talk about safety? We talk about safety.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: I mean we talked yeah, you know that, we said
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: that Blanket Ship and Epps are are free agency.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and mccoop is on a contract. Kid, that's another
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: It's crazy how many needs they have.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm really curious to see how the blanket Ship
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: market unfold.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: What we talked about.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: I think you we've discussed on this show or maybe others,
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: the Cam Krawll thing where you're a really good safety
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: here but you're undrafted or you're a Day three guy,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: and that's always going to be the knock on you.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: And if you don't have.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: A ton of interceptions or forced fumbles, and you know,
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: because cral was a good player for Washington signed a
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: three year deal with Yeah, and.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: Black Ship early his care head turnovers, but that's not.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: The number he's not ed Reid.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: No exactly. It's worth mentioning, but that's not how you
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: evaluate it. In college, you do want to see ball
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: production and from Scott Extemple, you want to see it.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: That's part of your grade. But once you get the NFL,
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: it's about where you're lined up mental ours, leadership. There's
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  Speaker 3: a lot. It's safety that doesn't get talked about enough.
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  Speaker 2: I agree processing from that position.
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  Speaker 3: There's so much and Blanket Ship is so good at
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  Speaker 3: getting stuff lined up there. They love that. These coaches
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  Speaker 3: love this guy. Yeah, so we'll see, we'll see what happens.
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  Speaker 3: But he's another guy who change agencies. You can get
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  Speaker 3: paid in season and that's where the is Coop could
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  Speaker 3: be play safety too, Yes, he could play safety some
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  Speaker 3: teams almost a safety, that's right, So that could play into.
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  Speaker 2: It, all right, great stuff that is. That finishes off
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  Speaker 2: our roster outlook. Now that's gonna change.
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  Speaker 1: And we always do the we do the after free
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  Speaker 1: agency one, we do the after the draft one.
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  Speaker 2: It's always fun, all right, and we will.
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  Speaker 1: Of course keep you all updated on the coordinator search
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  Speaker 1: as it goes on.
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  Speaker 2: That's gonna do it.
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