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Staying True to Your Purpose w/ Becca Spradlin · Something Extra

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  Lisa Nichols: I'm excited to have Becca Spradlin on the show today.
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  Lisa Nichols: Becca is the founder of On Mission and the author of Lead On Mission.
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  Lisa Nichols: Well, Becca, welcome to this Something Extra podcast.
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  Lisa Nichols: I am so delighted to have you as my guest today.
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  Lisa Nichols: I can't wait to dig into all the wonderful things that you are doing
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  Lisa Nichols: to help organizations champion what matters most in light
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  Lisa Nichols: of eternity, which is so beautiful.
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  Lisa Nichols: I always love to go back and tell our listeners how I meet people.
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  Becca Spradlin: Mhmm.
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  Lisa Nichols: But you and I first met several years ago.
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  Lisa Nichols: You came to a YPO, Vision and Values Conference.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
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  Lisa Nichols: And, yeah, and then we recently reconnected because you were so sweet
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  Lisa Nichols: to send me a copy and a sweet note of the new book that
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  Lisa Nichols: just came out, and I can't wait to dig into that.
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  Lisa Nichols: It's called Lead on Mission.
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  Becca Spradlin: Yes.
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  Becca Spradlin: Well, it's great to reconnect with you.
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  Becca Spradlin: It was a joy meeting you and your husband, your daughter, Ali, so many
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  Becca Spradlin: years back.
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  Becca Spradlin: Just really, really enjoyed that.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
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  Lisa Nichols: I forgot that Ali was with us for that.
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  Lisa Nichols: So you did get to meet Ali.
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  Lisa Nichols: You got to meet the inspiration behind the something extra podcast.
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  Becca Spradlin: Yes.
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  Becca Spradlin: And she was a delight.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
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  Lisa Nichols: She is.
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  Lisa Nichols: She definitely has a lot of something extras.
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  Lisa Nichols: Well, I can't wait to dig into everything that you're doing today, dig into
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  Lisa Nichols: the book.
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  Lisa Nichols: But before we do, can I just ask you a little bit about your
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  Lisa Nichols: younger self?
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  Becca Spradlin: Yeah.
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  Becca Spradlin: Sure.
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  Becca Spradlin: So I was blessed to grow up in a Christian home.
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  Becca Spradlin: My mom was a big prayer.
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  Becca Spradlin: She still is a big prayer for me and for my brother.
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  Becca Spradlin: And, I'm inspired by her because she got diagnosed with multiple
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  Becca Spradlin: sclerosis when I was really little, and so that's been part of
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  Becca Spradlin: our family story.
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  Becca Spradlin: But even though she's actually in a nursing home now, she's still praying.
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  Becca Spradlin: She's still leading bible studies in person on Zoom.
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  Becca Spradlin: Yeah.
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  Becca Spradlin: So she's she's a big inspiration.
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  Becca Spradlin: I think a big reason, for God's work in my life and my brother's
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  Becca Spradlin: life too.
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  Lisa Nichols: Oh, that is so beautiful.
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  Lisa Nichols: What just reminds me so much of,
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  Lisa Nichols: you know, the never discount the power, right, of
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  Lisa Nichols: a praying mom or a praying dad or praying grandmother.
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  Lisa Nichols: I mean, I think back, Becca, to Billy Graham, you know, and
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  Lisa Nichols: his his mom.
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  Lisa Nichols: She had this habit every day of going upstairs to her upstairs
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  Lisa Nichols: and kneeling down and praying for her children.
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  Lisa Nichols: And Billy Graham, I don't know how many people that he affected in his
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  Lisa Nichols: lifetime, but it was millions, millions.
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  Becca Spradlin: Right.
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  Becca Spradlin: And as a mom now, I, that means even more to me.
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  Becca Spradlin: I have three girls.
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  Becca Spradlin: And so praying with them, praying for them, it's something
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  Becca Spradlin: I I wanna prioritize like she did because I we see the
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  Becca Spradlin: fruit of it.
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  Becca Spradlin: It's amazing.
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  Lisa Nichols: Absolutely.
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  Lisa Nichols: I've got another book that I'll recommend to you later, that you'll probably
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  Lisa Nichols: really love.
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  Lisa Nichols: But what did you like doing as a little girl?
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  Becca Spradlin: Oh my goodness.
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  Becca Spradlin: I enjoyed art actually, so I was into painting a lot.
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  Becca Spradlin: And so my first, like, entrepreneurial venture was,
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  Becca Spradlin: my uncle gave me some photographs, and he wanted me to paint poster sized
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  Becca Spradlin: versions of them to have original them as original artwork.
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  Becca Spradlin: So that was actually one of my first, like, jobs as a kid,
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  Becca Spradlin: was that.
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  Becca Spradlin: I don't think I've sold anything since then, but but that was fun
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  Becca Spradlin: to do when, you know, you're in your younger years.
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  Lisa Nichols: That's awesome.
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  Lisa Nichols: I was gonna ask you if you were able to sell any of that
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  Lisa Nichols: artwork.
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  Lisa Nichols: Did he buy them all?
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  Becca Spradlin: He did.
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  Becca Spradlin: He did.
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  Becca Spradlin: He bought the ones that I made for him, and I think he had
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  Becca Spradlin: them framed.
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  Becca Spradlin: So Yeah.
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  Becca Spradlin: That's
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  Lisa Nichols: really sweet.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: And it just probably, you know, sparked a little confidence in you maybe.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: You know?
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  Becca Spradlin: It was it was a great opportunity.
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  Becca Spradlin: So he was kind enough to do that.
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  Becca Spradlin: So that was one of my earliest entrepreneurial ventures.
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  Lisa Nichols: I love that.
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  Lisa Nichols: I love that.
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  Lisa Nichols: Well, let me ask you this.
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  Lisa Nichols: What experiences do you think you had as a young girl
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  Lisa Nichols: that really have influenced because you have a calling on your life today,
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  Lisa Nichols: you know?
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  Lisa Nichols: And did your younger years, do you feel like that that really shaped
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  Lisa Nichols: even your calling and your mission today?
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  Becca Spradlin: Sure.
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  Becca Spradlin: Yeah.
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  Becca Spradlin: I think the family you grow up in has a lot of influence.
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  Becca Spradlin: So I didn't mention my dad, but he's another deep man of God.
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  Becca Spradlin: Saw him and mom both in the word of God.
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  Becca Spradlin: He had a a full time job, but he also had a side business.
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  Becca Spradlin: And, actually, if I think about my dad's side of the family, there were
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  Becca Spradlin: a lot of entrepreneurs
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  Becca Spradlin: in the family.
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  Becca Spradlin: So I think the exposure to that really makes it seem possible.
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  Becca Spradlin: Like, oh, I could I could start a business.
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  Becca Spradlin: I know people who did start a business or have really entrepreneurial roles.
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  Becca Spradlin: So I think I think that's part of it.
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  Becca Spradlin: And I think God God equips us in a lot of different ways.
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  Becca Spradlin: And I think, I took the strength finders test.
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  Becca Spradlin: I don't know how many years ago, and one of them, results was responsibility.
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  Becca Spradlin: I scored really high in that.
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  Becca Spradlin: And I think that's why the work I do today around mission drift and
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  Becca Spradlin: helping Christian leaders avoid mission drift, I think it sparks from that
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  Becca Spradlin: from God's actual wiring of how he made me to to be and
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  Becca Spradlin: to respond to that that issue in particular and to wanna be someone.
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  Becca Spradlin: Again, my mom was one of those people that, like, there's no limit
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  Becca Spradlin: in in in a good way.
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  Becca Spradlin: Like, she would let my brother and I go on mission trips.
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  Becca Spradlin: She would pray for us.
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  Becca Spradlin: You know?
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  Becca Spradlin: So that resilience and that ability to be like, yeah.
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  Becca Spradlin: Let's create something where there isn't something, that kind of pioneering spirit.
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  Becca Spradlin: I think that is part of what she fostered in our family too.
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  Becca Spradlin: Mhmm.
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  Lisa Nichols: That's so beautiful.
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  Lisa Nichols: I love that.
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  Lisa Nichols: And now the name is escaping me now, but there's a famous quote out
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  Lisa Nichols: there that says you can't be what you can't see.
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  Lisa Nichols: That's good.
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  Lisa Nichols: Can't be what you can't see.
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  Lisa Nichols: And I think it is so important, right, for young people
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  Lisa Nichols: to see, hey.
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  Lisa Nichols: My dad was an entrepreneur.
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  Lisa Nichols: My dad had his own business.
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  Lisa Nichols: And and, you know, and in thinking about what you just said, I'm thinking
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  Lisa Nichols: my uncle had his own business too.
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  Lisa Nichols: So, you know, like, really, I do think that kind of informs how
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  Lisa Nichols: you think about things.
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  Lisa Nichols: It's like, oh, well, you could go out there and create something new and
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  Lisa Nichols: and, run your own organization one day.
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  Lisa Nichols: So Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: I think that's really good.
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  Lisa Nichols: Well, you have an education in business management, economics, communications,
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  Lisa Nichols: and a master's in applied economics from Johns Hopkins.
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  Lisa Nichols: You know, what really sparked your interest, Becca, in finance
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  Lisa Nichols: and economic development?
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  Becca Spradlin: Yeah.
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  Becca Spradlin: Yeah.
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  Becca Spradlin: So I kind of always knew I wanted to study business.
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  Becca Spradlin: I can't tell you when that started.
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  Becca Spradlin: In college, I had internships in consulting, and I really
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  Becca Spradlin: liked consulting.
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  Becca Spradlin: I like getting to meet different clients.
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  Becca Spradlin: But during my undergrad, I got to go on a mission trip, and there's
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  Becca Spradlin: a trip I went to to Haiti.
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  Becca Spradlin: I actually led a team.
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  Becca Spradlin: I was twenty at the time.
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  Becca Spradlin: I led a team of teenagers to Haiti.
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  Becca Spradlin: We we I was the adult.
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  Becca Spradlin: During the time the state department warning increased increased risk
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  Becca Spradlin: or threat in that area, but that experience truly shaped
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  Becca Spradlin: me and kind of put me on a different path.
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  Becca Spradlin: Just seeing both the material poverty, but also the relational and personal
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  Becca Spradlin: poverty and broken relationships there because poverty is so complex.
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  Becca Spradlin: And so coming back from that, I was a sophomore.
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  Becca Spradlin: I was like, I'm going to shift all the business energies
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  Becca Spradlin: I have toward international economic development.
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  Becca Spradlin: After school, I was worked briefly at a foundation that focused on that before
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  Becca Spradlin: I discovered kind of a career in microfinance.
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  Becca Spradlin: So small loans to hardworking entrepreneurs.
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  Becca Spradlin: Again, that entrepreneurial theme coming through.
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  Becca Spradlin: And I was doing ratings and research, in this
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  Becca Spradlin: space.
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  Becca Spradlin: So we go do these organizational assessments.
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  Becca Spradlin: And during that time, I learned about an organization called Hope International,
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  Becca Spradlin: and they doing incredible work around the world pairing the gospel
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  Becca Spradlin: and the good news of Jesus with microcredit and savings services
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  Becca Spradlin: in underbanked areas.
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  Becca Spradlin: And so after several years doing ratings, I ended up joining
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  Becca Spradlin: the Hope International team, which is another another step of faith.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: Okay.
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  Lisa Nichols: So I did not know that part.
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  Lisa Nichols: I'm sure I read that at some juncture, but I didn't make that connection.
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  Lisa Nichols: So we are on the board of governors for Opportunity International.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
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  Lisa Nichols: And so I think it's probably the same concept.
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  Lisa Nichols: And it's amazing
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  Lisa Nichols: when you really think through I mean, it can be
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  Lisa Nichols: as little as a hundred and fifty dollar business loan,
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  Lisa Nichols: Becca.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yep.
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  Lisa Nichols: That can change the trajectory of a person's life in a
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  Lisa Nichols: country like that.
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  Becca Spradlin: Yes.
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  Lisa Nichols: And there are story after story after stories of that happening, and then a
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  Lisa Nichols: whole village Yep.
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  Lisa Nichols: Is transformed.
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  Lisa Nichols: Because now that entrepreneur can go on and hire more people.
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  Becca Spradlin: Right.
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  Becca Spradlin: And they're creating jobs and it it certainly it changes their family.
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  Becca Spradlin: They're able to pay school fees because a lot of these countries you have
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  Becca Spradlin: to pay to go to school or at least there are fees related to
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  Becca Spradlin: even public school.
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  Becca Spradlin: You need uniforms.
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  Becca Spradlin: And when you're really poor and you have to make that decision between food
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  Becca Spradlin: and medicine and education, it's a really hard choice.
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  Becca Spradlin: And so, yeah, seeing that as continuous inspiration too
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  Becca Spradlin: of these, a lot of them, women leading their families and in their
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  Becca Spradlin: communities too and partnering with their church.
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  Becca Spradlin: It's it's incredible.
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  Lisa Nichols: I love that.
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  Lisa Nichols: I love that.
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  Lisa Nichols: Well, in twenty twenty, I kinda wanna move into what you're doing today because
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  Lisa Nichols: I have lots of questions for you.
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  Lisa Nichols: In twenty twenty, you formed or founded On Mission Advisors.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
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  Lisa Nichols: You know, tell tell our listeners a little bit what led you to launch
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  Lisa Nichols: that.
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  Lisa Nichols: Tell tell us more about the mission and vision of On Mission
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  Lisa Nichols: Advisors.
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  Becca Spradlin: Yes.
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  Becca Spradlin: So when I joined Hope, again, my background was in ratings and research.
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  Becca Spradlin: The CEO there, his name is Peter Greer.
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  Becca Spradlin: He just published was about to publish a book called Mission Drift.
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  Becca Spradlin: And given my background, they asked if I could create an internal assessment to
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  Becca Spradlin: use across their country offices and, their main office to know
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  Becca Spradlin: not if, but where they were drifting.
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  Becca Spradlin: That's Peter's words because because we're all prone to drift.
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  Becca Spradlin: And so created this assessment internally, and Chris Crane,
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  Becca Spradlin: who I think you know, was on the board of Hope at the time
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  Becca Spradlin: and the CEO of Edify, who was one of the cofounders.
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  Becca Spradlin: He said, can you come do this for us?
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  Becca Spradlin: We don't wanna drift off mission either.
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  Becca Spradlin: And so that's, they do great work globally
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  Becca Spradlin: with Christian education.
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  Becca Spradlin: So great organization worked with them, but they weren't the only ones.
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  Becca Spradlin: As Peter's book got a lot of traction, we ended up going and doing
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  Becca Spradlin: workshops and other things to help organizations.
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  Becca Spradlin: And it got to the point where I said, Peter, I think there's this
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  Becca Spradlin: is a felt need for a lot of people.
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  Becca Spradlin: Any any mission driven organization has this temptation
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  Becca Spradlin: to drift.
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  Becca Spradlin: So I think something something should we could do something with this.
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  Becca Spradlin: And so it's interesting to see how God took kind of that interest in
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  Becca Spradlin: consulting from started in college and then the re the experience through
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  Becca Spradlin: microfinance sector and joining Hope just at that time.
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  Becca Spradlin: And then after a couple of years, On Mission was incorporated.
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  Becca Spradlin: I started doing it full time.
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  Becca Spradlin: And, and now I have others that help me do it.
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  Becca Spradlin: So just slowly by slowly, God just kinda brought this together.
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  Becca Spradlin: And now we can provide practical help, to organizations so that they
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  Becca Spradlin: can have the tools and and ideas to help them avoid drift.
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  Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
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  Lisa Nichols: Becca, that is so beautiful.
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  Lisa Nichols: I love Chris Crane, by the way.
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  Lisa Nichols: Have you ever met somebody that is just as an amazing of a human
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  Lisa Nichols: being as him?
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  Lisa Nichols: He is just such a,
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  Lisa Nichols: just an amazing, amazing person.
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  Lisa Nichols: I love him.
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  Lisa Nichols: But, you know, you just were talking about something.
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  Lisa Nichols: Sometimes we just need to take one step of obedience at
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  Lisa Nichols: a time.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
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  Lisa Nichols: And you would have never even probably considered.
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  Lisa Nichols: Right.
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  Lisa Nichols: You would have on mission advisors.
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  Lisa Nichols: Right.
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  Lisa Nichols: But as you're taking each step, you see the need
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  Lisa Nichols: and the need the gap, you know, that emerges there.
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  Lisa Nichols: And that's I think that's how a lot of organizations are
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  Lisa Nichols: formed.
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  Lisa Nichols: Right?
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  Becca Spradlin: Right.
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  Becca Spradlin: You just you work in it.
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  Becca Spradlin: You see see the opportunity.
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  Becca Spradlin: Because I I'm not the type of person to be motivated to, like, reinvent
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  Becca Spradlin: the wheel.
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  Becca Spradlin: There's no one really doing this.
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  Becca Spradlin: Mhmm.
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  Becca Spradlin: So it's it's a joy to be able to come in and work alongside
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  Becca Spradlin: CEOs in a range of industries, nonprofit, for profit, and just
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  Becca Spradlin: help them define, protect, and champion kinda what matters most in light of eternity.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: I love that.
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  Lisa Nichols: I love that tagline.
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  Lisa Nichols: Well, let me ask you this.
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  Lisa Nichols: You've worked now in five different continents.
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  Lisa Nichols: Are there leadership lessons
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  Lisa Nichols: that that really kinda span, like, a a common thread
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  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: Through all of those continents and, like, what what lasting impression
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  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: Had those
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  Becca Spradlin: What a great question.
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  Becca Spradlin: No one has ever asked me that, but I love that question.
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  Becca Spradlin: I think something a lot of what we do and even what I did
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  Becca Spradlin: at Hope and others other places was is training and workshops.
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  Becca Spradlin: And I have found, like, cross culturally, it's really difficult.
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  Becca Spradlin: You know?
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  Becca Spradlin: I'm I'm coming in with my western view,
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  Becca Spradlin: and you just you just are so sensitive, or I'm so sensitive and mindful
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  Becca Spradlin: of that.
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  Becca Spradlin: But I always found that whenever I could weave things back
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  Becca Spradlin: to scripture, scripture and God's word just transcends
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  Becca Spradlin: transcends cultures and language barriers and all of that.
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  Becca Spradlin: And so I think when you look at considering leadership, I think when
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  Becca Spradlin: you think about biblical leadership principles like humility,
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  Becca Spradlin: it might look different in different cultures, but I think that that one, for
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  Becca Spradlin: example, certainly carries through.
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  Becca Spradlin: There yeah.
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  Becca Spradlin: There's probably a lot a lot of stuff others we could talk about, but
• 15:26
  Becca Spradlin: those that certainly can remind fruits of the spirit.
• 15:28
  Becca Spradlin: Just these things that connect so directly back to the word of God.
• 15:32
  Lisa Nichols: Serving others.
• 15:33
  Lisa Nichols: I mean, there's right.
• 15:34
  Lisa Nichols: You know, that'd be a really interesting,
• 15:37
  Lisa Nichols: little study
• 15:38
  Becca Spradlin: Yeah.
• 15:38
  Lisa Nichols: To to kind of because I think that there's more that unites us.
• 15:42
  Lisa Nichols: Absolutely.
• 15:43
  Lisa Nichols: It divides us, really.
• 15:44
  Lisa Nichols: Absolutely.
• 15:46
  Lisa Nichols: What you talk a lot about building this legacy of eternal impact.
• 15:51
  Lisa Nichols: What what does that mean to you, Becca?
• 15:54
  Becca Spradlin: Yes.
• 15:55
  Becca Spradlin: So On Mission Advisors, our company exists to see God glorified globally,
• 16:00
  Becca Spradlin: and we do that by investing in faith driven leaders and partnering
• 16:04
  Becca Spradlin: with them to help them discern what that vision
• 16:08
  Becca Spradlin: is.
• 16:08
  Becca Spradlin: Typically, they already have that vision of what what the Lord is calling
• 16:12
  Becca Spradlin: them to do in and through their business.
• 16:15
  Becca Spradlin: But given the reality of mission drift, the legacy piece is really
• 16:20
  Becca Spradlin: hard.
• 16:20
  Becca Spradlin: I think there are a lot of really intentional leaders out there,
• 16:25
  Becca Spradlin: who are able to create and build a great culture, but they're really just
• 16:28
  Becca Spradlin: one transition, one business sale away from losing all of
• 16:32
  Becca Spradlin: it.
• 16:32
  Becca Spradlin: It happens so rapidly as you know.
• 16:35
  Becca Spradlin: Yes.
• 16:35
  Becca Spradlin: In months, you can undo decades of work and the culture that you've
• 16:40
  Becca Spradlin: built up.
• 16:41
  Becca Spradlin: So the book lead on mission is really focused on how do we take
• 16:44
  Becca Spradlin: best practices from organizations who have maintained their
• 16:48
  Becca Spradlin: mission or their higher purpose over decades, over transitions?
• 16:53
  Becca Spradlin: What can we learn here?
• 16:54
  Becca Spradlin: And what are kind of tools or resources for leaders,
• 16:58
  Becca Spradlin: to use to as they want to consider how how to
• 17:02
  Becca Spradlin: perpetuate that legacy, that higher purpose beyond their own tenure?
• 17:08
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 17:09
  Lisa Nichols: I we've seen it.
• 17:10
  Lisa Nichols: Right?
• 17:10
  Lisa Nichols: We've seen those transitions.
• 17:12
  Lisa Nichols: New CEO comes in and the culture shifts.
• 17:16
  Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
• 17:17
  Lisa Nichols: You know, what tell me this about the north
• 17:22
  Lisa Nichols: you talk about Northstar and guardrails.
• 17:24
  Becca Spradlin: Yes.
• 17:25
  Becca Spradlin: You
• 17:25
  Lisa Nichols: know, can you explain how you use that?
• 17:28
  Becca Spradlin: Absolutely.
• 17:28
  Becca Spradlin: Yeah.
• 17:29
  Becca Spradlin: So the model we use is define, protect, and champion.
• 17:32
  Becca Spradlin: And most of our work is in this defining phase.
• 17:35
  Becca Spradlin: How do we navigate these kind of, like, mission critical moments, whether it's refining
• 17:39
  Becca Spradlin: your mission, vision, values, or something like that, or, and but
• 17:43
  Becca Spradlin: do so without avoiding drift.
• 17:45
  Becca Spradlin: And over time as we worked with organizations, this concept of having a North
• 17:49
  Becca Spradlin: Star guidance and guardrails came up because how do you
• 17:53
  Becca Spradlin: take that core, that kind of pithy mission statement, and then map
• 17:57
  Becca Spradlin: it out to your strategy, your daily operations?
• 18:00
  Becca Spradlin: There really are guiding principles that kinda sit around the core,
• 18:04
  Becca Spradlin: that core, purpose that you have.
• 18:07
  Becca Spradlin: And and how do we create space to have that conversation to discern guiding
• 18:12
  Becca Spradlin: principles that may need to change in the future, but could
• 18:16
  Becca Spradlin: outlast a leader, but could be instructive to boards, to future leaders
• 18:20
  Becca Spradlin: in decision making in in a future state that we can't imagine right
• 18:24
  Becca Spradlin: now because we can't, you know, we can't predict the future, but we can
• 18:28
  Becca Spradlin: certainly plan for it.
• 18:30
  Becca Spradlin: So as I talk with leaders having these conversations, these kinda guided facilitated
• 18:35
  Becca Spradlin: workshops on discerning, here's what our mission is.
• 18:38
  Becca Spradlin: Here's what our history has been.
• 18:39
  Becca Spradlin: Here's kind of the behaviors that kind of show
• 18:43
  Becca Spradlin: what we are, what we care about.
• 18:46
  Becca Spradlin: What are the guiding principles that we want to gift to future
• 18:50
  Becca Spradlin: leaders?
• 18:51
  Becca Spradlin: Because if they have to navigate that, it will take months of meetings and
• 18:55
  Becca Spradlin: take so much time.
• 18:57
  Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
• 18:58
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 18:59
  Lisa Nichols: You just remind me, James Barnett was the CEO for
• 19:03
  Lisa Nichols: Dayspring for many, many years.
• 19:05
  Lisa Nichols: And I remember talking to him and he said, you know, and I just
• 19:10
  Lisa Nichols: this was so beautiful to me.
• 19:11
  Lisa Nichols: I he just said it with such clarity.
• 19:14
  Lisa Nichols: He said, you know, the mission has never changed.
• 19:18
  Lisa Nichols: So, you know, like in context of what you just said, our guiding principles
• 19:22
  Lisa Nichols: probably should not change.
• 19:24
  Lisa Nichols: Those are the same.
• 19:25
  Lisa Nichols: But what the way that James described it, he said our mission
• 19:30
  Lisa Nichols: really has stayed the same.
• 19:32
  Lisa Nichols: Our methods
• 19:34
  Lisa Nichols: have changed.
• 19:35
  Becca Spradlin: Absolutely.
• 19:36
  Becca Spradlin: And
• 19:36
  Lisa Nichols: I just thought that was a really great way because things do evolve.
• 19:40
  Lisa Nichols: And like you said, you can't really say what the future's gonna be and
• 19:44
  Lisa Nichols: how the world's gonna change, but you've gotta adapt to those changes.
• 19:49
  Lisa Nichols: So the methods may need to change.
• 19:51
  Becca Spradlin: Absolutely.
• 19:51
  Becca Spradlin: And it's funny you say that because I give a point.
• 19:54
  Becca Spradlin: And and every time we do a workshop, I'm like, I am opposed to
• 19:57
  Becca Spradlin: mission drift.
• 19:58
  Becca Spradlin: I'm not opposed to change.
• 20:00
  Becca Spradlin: You will need to embrace change and innovation to
• 20:04
  Becca Spradlin: remain relevant and to serve those that you exist to serve better
• 20:08
  Becca Spradlin: in the future.
• 20:10
  Becca Spradlin: You will quickly become irrelevant.
• 20:12
  Becca Spradlin: It's it's kind of like different means, same ends.
• 20:15
  Becca Spradlin: The ends, the goal, the vision is the same.
• 20:18
  Becca Spradlin: The guiding principles help you get there and help you kinda know what's in
• 20:22
  Becca Spradlin: and out of bounds, which gives you greater focus,
• 20:25
  Becca Spradlin: and hopefully speed as you're kinda moving toward that vision.
• 20:29
  Becca Spradlin: But, yeah, you you need to create space.
• 20:31
  Becca Spradlin: You don't wanna overprescribe things or over anticipate things in a way
• 20:35
  Becca Spradlin: that really handcuffs the future generations of leaders or
• 20:39
  Becca Spradlin: board members.
• 20:40
  Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
• 20:41
  Lisa Nichols: That's so good, Becca.
• 20:43
  Lisa Nichols: Well, I don't mean to put you on the spot, but I know that
• 20:45
  Lisa Nichols: you've talked you in doing your research even for your book, you know, you
• 20:50
  Lisa Nichols: you met with David Green, iconic Hobby Lobby.
• 20:54
  Lisa Nichols: Right?
• 20:55
  Lisa Nichols: Can you, like is there, an organization or leader
• 20:59
  Lisa Nichols: that you've worked with that you can remember a few other guiding
• 21:03
  Lisa Nichols: principles?
• 21:04
  Becca Spradlin: Oh, yeah.
• 21:05
  Becca Spradlin: That's a really good question.
• 21:06
  Becca Spradlin: I'll I'll say general general themes we kind of go
• 21:11
  Becca Spradlin: through.
• 21:11
  Becca Spradlin: I think a lot of faith driven leaders almost focus first on their
• 21:15
  Becca Spradlin: faith as as part of the philanthropy and how they're giving out of their
• 21:19
  Becca Spradlin: organization.
• 21:20
  Becca Spradlin: And so it could be as simple as here's the types of organizations
• 21:24
  Becca Spradlin: we really like to give to.
• 21:26
  Becca Spradlin: Here's ones that we're willing to give to.
• 21:28
  Becca Spradlin: It's kinda neutral for us, and maybe here's ones that we prefer not to
• 21:32
  Becca Spradlin: give to.
• 21:33
  Becca Spradlin: I think that's an easy way.
• 21:35
  Becca Spradlin: A a lot of companies that have kind of that philanthropy arm have have
• 21:39
  Becca Spradlin: those kind of guardrails in place.
• 21:41
  Becca Spradlin: I think other things when you think about
• 21:45
  Becca Spradlin: things that lead you off mission.
• 21:47
  Becca Spradlin: So we say leadership, ownership, and governance.
• 21:50
  Becca Spradlin: And I think one of the greatest,
• 21:53
  Becca Spradlin: examples I found was from Mike Aman.
• 21:56
  Becca Spradlin: His case is in the book.
• 21:57
  Becca Spradlin: But he again, a ten to fifteen million dollar business, but
• 22:01
  Becca Spradlin: he founded it.
• 22:02
  Becca Spradlin: He grew it.
• 22:03
  Becca Spradlin: He really wanted to be intentional with who he sold it to.
• 22:06
  Becca Spradlin: So he actually had maybe a dozen.
• 22:09
  Becca Spradlin: One is just on one page, a dozen buy sell conditions, and he committed
• 22:13
  Becca Spradlin: that, when I find the right buyer, it will be the right price.
• 22:17
  Becca Spradlin: So I'm kind of surrendering the price because I think that's
• 22:21
  Becca Spradlin: What happens.
• 22:21
  Becca Spradlin: People go for the highest bid, and then, you know, a company comes in
• 22:25
  Becca Spradlin: and tries to ring the value out of a company, and that usually distorts
• 22:28
  Becca Spradlin: the culture.
• 22:31
  Becca Spradlin: But he had to wait.
• 22:32
  Becca Spradlin: So Mike's story, he got six great offers, including a very high
• 22:36
  Becca Spradlin: he said astronomically high offer in her in his words.
• 22:39
  Becca Spradlin: And his broker was like, yeah.
• 22:41
  Becca Spradlin: That would be a great one.
• 22:42
  Becca Spradlin: Right?
• 22:42
  Becca Spradlin: Because they're making the commission on it.
• 22:44
  Becca Spradlin: Yes.
• 22:45
  Becca Spradlin: But he he didn't have a piece about it.
• 22:47
  Becca Spradlin: He's like, I prayed about it.
• 22:48
  Becca Spradlin: I didn't have a piece.
• 22:49
  Becca Spradlin: I didn't go with any of the first six offers.
• 22:52
  Becca Spradlin: And then the seventh offer came in, and and and the
• 22:57
  Becca Spradlin: the person who bought it brought the expertise, but also seemed to bring this
• 23:01
  Becca Spradlin: willingness to learn.
• 23:02
  Becca Spradlin: Like, he wanted to keep meeting with Mike and, you know, and so he
• 23:06
  Becca Spradlin: felt like he had a piece about it.
• 23:08
  Becca Spradlin: He believed in god.
• 23:09
  Becca Spradlin: There was just some common things.
• 23:11
  Becca Spradlin: And so I think it takes patience, especially when you think about transitions.
• 23:15
  Becca Spradlin: So that was another kind sale related transition that they had in
• 23:19
  Becca Spradlin: place.
• 23:20
  Becca Spradlin: And I would say he he planned ahead of the time he was actually
• 23:23
  Becca Spradlin: planning to sell, which is really important because succession and ownership transitions,
• 23:28
  Becca Spradlin: they haven't suddenly and you haven't planned for it.
• 23:30
  Becca Spradlin: Your culture will most likely be lost in that.
• 23:33
  Becca Spradlin: Yes.
• 23:34
  Lisa Nichols: For sure.
• 23:35
  Lisa Nichols: Wow.
• 23:36
  Lisa Nichols: That's really I love that that he said when the right buyer comes, the
• 23:40
  Lisa Nichols: price will be right.
• 23:41
  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
• 23:42
  Lisa Nichols: So really not prioritizing the price over
• 23:46
  Lisa Nichols: maintaining the culture and having the right company come in and take over.
• 23:50
  Lisa Nichols: Right?
• 23:50
  Becca Spradlin: Right.
• 23:50
  Lisa Nichols: So that's really that's that's awesome.
• 23:53
  Lisa Nichols: You already you already talked about,
• 23:57
  Lisa Nichols: humility.
• 23:57
  Lisa Nichols: You've mentioned that, like, that cross across continents and Yes.
• 24:01
  Lisa Nichols: That leadership, thread that is common no matter where
• 24:05
  Lisa Nichols: you are.
• 24:06
  Lisa Nichols: How have you seen, you know, Becca, how have you seen humility
• 24:12
  Lisa Nichols: really play out with the leaders that are really great leaders?
• 24:15
  Lisa Nichols: And then have you seen it where humility lack
• 24:19
  Lisa Nichols: of humility
• 24:21
  Lisa Nichols: really can cause a lot of, you know, a downward spiral
• 24:26
  Lisa Nichols: spiral too?
• 24:27
  Lisa Nichols: Sure.
• 24:27
  Lisa Nichols: And
• 24:27
  Becca Spradlin: what Yeah.
• 24:28
  Becca Spradlin: Yeah.
• 24:30
  Becca Spradlin: I think the leaders we work with certainly as clients, I would say, are
• 24:33
  Becca Spradlin: all pretty pretty exceptional in terms of humility because it's almost a prerequisite
• 24:37
  Becca Spradlin: to investing in doing kind of preventative mission drift work.
• 24:41
  Becca Spradlin: It starts with believing that we are all prone to drift, and we need
• 24:45
  Becca Spradlin: that accountability and support.
• 24:47
  Becca Spradlin: So I think peer CEO groups, all those things are really great resources to
• 24:51
  Becca Spradlin: help because we are all prone to drift.
• 24:54
  Becca Spradlin: And so I see that I mean, I see it when I'm interacting with
• 24:57
  Becca Spradlin: leaders who just clearly have that learning posture.
• 25:00
  Becca Spradlin: I think that's so true of of leaders who who are humble.
• 25:04
  Becca Spradlin: I think I think a lot of drift, when we think about
• 25:08
  Becca Spradlin: cases of drift, I think it it does happen unintentionally.
• 25:12
  Becca Spradlin: I think pride can absolutely be a part of that, but it's not it's
• 25:16
  Becca Spradlin: not always pride.
• 25:17
  Becca Spradlin: I think it's unintentional neglect or just
• 25:21
  Becca Spradlin: not not realizing that what's in our heads is not commonly understood
• 25:25
  Becca Spradlin: by everyone, including maybe your number two.
• 25:29
  Becca Spradlin: So we really try to help, like, bring to light what are those defining
• 25:33
  Becca Spradlin: and core elements as guiding principles, for a company so that
• 25:37
  Becca Spradlin: we can talk about them and know and and really build alignment.
• 25:40
  Becca Spradlin: That's a lot of of what kinda comes out of the work we're doing
• 25:43
  Becca Spradlin: is building alignment.
• 25:44
  Becca Spradlin: It starts with having the conversation.
• 25:47
  Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
• 25:48
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 25:48
  Lisa Nichols: I wanna talk to you more about that.
• 25:49
  Lisa Nichols: I wanna dig into to more about those tools, how you recognize
• 25:54
  Lisa Nichols: when there's drift, that sort of thing.
• 25:55
  Lisa Nichols: But we do need to take a quick break, and we'll be right back
• 25:58
  Lisa Nichols: with Becca on the Something Extra podcast.
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• 26:31
  Lisa Nichols: Well, welcome back, everyone, to the something extra podcast.
• 26:35
  Lisa Nichols: So, Becca, we were just talking about mission drift.
• 26:38
  Lisa Nichols: So, this is gonna get you into get us into your book.
• 26:42
  Lisa Nichols: So your book is called Lead on Mission, Advance
• 26:46
  Lisa Nichols: Faith at Work, Avoid Mission Drift, Build a Legacy
• 26:50
  Lisa Nichols: of Eternal Impact.
• 26:52
  Lisa Nichols: You know, first of all, what inspired you to write the book?
• 26:56
  Becca Spradlin: Yes.
• 26:56
  Becca Spradlin: So it was another god thing.
• 27:00
  Becca Spradlin: I I I'm always, like, kind of a curious person, but God gave me
• 27:03
  Becca Spradlin: the opportunity to do a research fellowship with Seattle Pacific University.
• 27:08
  Becca Spradlin: And the core case that we were looking at was the ServiceMaster company.
• 27:13
  Becca Spradlin: And I read the book, the ServiceMaster story.
• 27:16
  Becca Spradlin: And when I read it, I was like, wow.
• 27:18
  Becca Spradlin: This is an incredible organization that had to honor God as one of
• 27:22
  Becca Spradlin: its top objective for decades after going public.
• 27:26
  Becca Spradlin: It it maintained that, but it's not there today.
• 27:30
  Becca Spradlin: What happened?
• 27:31
  Becca Spradlin: What can we learn from this story?
• 27:33
  Becca Spradlin: So the research I ended up doing on the service master case became kind
• 27:37
  Becca Spradlin: of one of the anchor cases for the book.
• 27:39
  Becca Spradlin: And through the fellowship, it just kinda gave me the accountability and the and
• 27:43
  Becca Spradlin: the rails to kinda run on in terms of getting the book writing process
• 27:46
  Becca Spradlin: started.
• 27:47
  Becca Spradlin: So the the first half of the book is really about these kinda cautionary
• 27:51
  Becca Spradlin: tales and cases of faith driven businesses that sought to kinda pursue
• 27:55
  Becca Spradlin: a higher purpose like service master, VeggieTales, and and why
• 27:59
  Becca Spradlin: they don't have that today.
• 28:01
  Becca Spradlin: What happened?
• 28:01
  Becca Spradlin: What can we learn?
• 28:03
  Becca Spradlin: And then the second half is really solution oriented.
• 28:06
  Becca Spradlin: So it kinda goes through the define, protect, and champion,
• 28:10
  Becca Spradlin: framework, thinking at what steps can we take.
• 28:12
  Becca Spradlin: We call them faith forward leadership practices.
• 28:15
  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
• 28:15
  Lisa Nichols: We
• 28:16
  Becca Spradlin: can take related to leadership, ownership, and governance.
• 28:21
  Becca Spradlin: Mhmm.
• 28:22
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 28:22
  Lisa Nichols: Patricia Asp is a really dear friend of mine.
• 28:24
  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
• 28:25
  Lisa Nichols: And Patricia was, like, the chief strategy officer for ServiceMaster.
• 28:29
  Lisa Nichols: And, I mean, what did you what did you can you, like, encapsulate that
• 28:33
  Lisa Nichols: quickly, Becca?
• 28:34
  Lisa Nichols: I mean, what what was the the the mission drift
• 28:38
  Lisa Nichols: or whatnot, and why aren't they around today?
• 28:42
  Becca Spradlin: Sure.
• 28:42
  Becca Spradlin: I will use Pat's word because we we actually got to interview with her
• 28:45
  Becca Spradlin: as part of the process.
• 28:46
  Becca Spradlin: So I got to meet her through the process.
• 28:48
  Becca Spradlin: She's great.
• 28:49
  Becca Spradlin: She worked for a number of the CEOs, including Bill Pollard, who is
• 28:53
  Becca Spradlin: one of the probably the most renowned CEO of them.
• 28:55
  Becca Spradlin: He led the company through tremendous growth.
• 28:58
  Becca Spradlin: He was involved in helping it go public and getting at certain acquisitions.
• 29:03
  Becca Spradlin: And she's I won't quote her as great as she does, but she said
• 29:06
  Becca Spradlin: it really was a perfect storm, for everything from,
• 29:10
  Becca Spradlin: you know, leadership development to really caring well for the culture to
• 29:14
  Becca Spradlin: preserve that.
• 29:16
  Becca Spradlin: And I would add there were certain external forces like the dot com boom
• 29:20
  Becca Spradlin: and bust that were happening right around that time.
• 29:24
  Becca Spradlin: And another factor which we talked about, they had this great practice called shingles
• 29:28
  Becca Spradlin: on the roof in terms of how they did succession planning.
• 29:31
  Becca Spradlin: So they'd have someone kinda come into executive leadership with an eye toward the
• 29:35
  Becca Spradlin: CEO position.
• 29:37
  Becca Spradlin: When they became CEO, the CEO became the chair, and they would really work
• 29:41
  Becca Spradlin: together.
• 29:42
  Becca Spradlin: And and that happened for four or five consecutive transitions.
• 29:46
  Becca Spradlin: Unfortunately, the fifth CEO had to step back because of health reasons.
• 29:50
  Becca Spradlin: So that was another factor kind of they left prematurely.
• 29:54
  Becca Spradlin: And and there wasn't you know, the board discerned at that time there wasn't
• 29:58
  Becca Spradlin: an internal candidate.
• 29:59
  Becca Spradlin: So they did hire externally, and I would say there's always an external
• 30:04
  Becca Spradlin: CEO disadvantage.
• 30:06
  Becca Spradlin: They haven't experienced the culture the same way.
• 30:09
  Becca Spradlin: Right or wrong, you may need to do it sometimes, especially in a turnaround
• 30:13
  Becca Spradlin: situation, but they are at a disadvantage.
• 30:15
  Becca Spradlin: So just board members kinda being aware and kinda going in with those eyes
• 30:20
  Becca Spradlin: open.
• 30:20
  Becca Spradlin: So, again, for them, it was a number of factors, which was great learning
• 30:24
  Becca Spradlin: for me.
• 30:24
  Becca Spradlin: And in the book, we could kinda tease out all of those things.
• 30:28
  Becca Spradlin: Also, their growth strategy, a lot of growth for acquisitions and the new kind
• 30:32
  Becca Spradlin: of outpaced the legacy that had the deepest kind of understanding
• 30:36
  Becca Spradlin: of the core and the value.
• 30:37
  Becca Spradlin: So there there were a lot of factors there.
• 30:41
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 30:42
  Lisa Nichols: Wow.
• 30:42
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 30:43
  Lisa Nichols: Because they did grow very quickly.
• 30:44
  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
• 30:45
  Lisa Nichols: Lots of acquisition.
• 30:46
  Lisa Nichols: And that's just that's another cautionary tale.
• 30:50
  Lisa Nichols: Right?
• 30:50
  Lisa Nichols: You know, to make sure that you are as you're growing, that
• 30:54
  Lisa Nichols: you're that you are also keeping an eye on that, and you're not
• 30:58
  Lisa Nichols: growing too fast.
• 30:59
  Lisa Nichols: Absolutely.
• 31:00
  Lisa Nichols: Because I know even at Technology Partners, there's been times where we've taken on
• 31:03
  Lisa Nichols: too many initiatives.
• 31:04
  Becca Spradlin: Yes.
• 31:05
  Lisa Nichols: And I'm
• 31:07
  Lisa Nichols: through the school of hard knocks.
• 31:09
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 31:10
  Lisa Nichols: I've learned that that is not always the the way to do it.
• 31:14
  Lisa Nichols: So,
• 31:16
  Lisa Nichols: you know what?
• 31:17
  Lisa Nichols: You know, you talk a lot about this faith forward leadership.
• 31:20
  Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
• 31:21
  Lisa Nichols: And, you know, can you unpack that a little bit?
• 31:24
  Lisa Nichols: And,
• 31:26
  Lisa Nichols: lots of different wonderful leaders like David Green, What are some
• 31:30
  Lisa Nichols: of those components that you've seen in a really
• 31:34
  Lisa Nichols: strong, faithful leader?
• 31:36
  Becca Spradlin: Yes.
• 31:37
  Becca Spradlin: Absolutely.
• 31:37
  Becca Spradlin: Great question.
• 31:39
  Becca Spradlin: So, obviously, clarity on the core.
• 31:41
  Becca Spradlin: What is core?
• 31:41
  Becca Spradlin: What is not?
• 31:42
  Becca Spradlin: What's that higher purpose we're going going for?
• 31:45
  Becca Spradlin: I think a lot of the unique kind of tools and ideas we try
• 31:47
  Becca Spradlin: to give in the book also relate to the protect piece, which is how
• 31:51
  Becca Spradlin: do we ensure ownership?
• 31:52
  Becca Spradlin: Because if ownership is ultimately directing the leadership, which
• 31:56
  Becca Spradlin: is a core component of advancing any culture, How are we thinking
• 32:01
  Becca Spradlin: through stability in terms of leadership?
• 32:04
  Becca Spradlin: And I think when you think about Hobby Lobby or other organizations,
• 32:08
  Becca Spradlin: in the book, Barnhart Companies, and others,
• 32:12
  Becca Spradlin: they've actually tried to give away ownership of their company.
• 32:17
  Becca Spradlin: Again, you can do a lot of you can also do, like, form an
• 32:20
  Becca Spradlin: ESOP or something like that.
• 32:21
  Becca Spradlin: I think there's a lot of different tools in the toolkit in terms of
• 32:25
  Becca Spradlin: practices you can consider consider certainly related to ownership,
• 32:29
  Becca Spradlin: but a lot of other things.
• 32:33
  Becca Spradlin: And then it becomes kind of a question of the board or whoever's governing
• 32:36
  Becca Spradlin: it, whether it's owned by the employees, whether it's owned by a a charity.
• 32:41
  Becca Spradlin: How is the board really being intentional about perpetuating
• 32:45
  Becca Spradlin: itself, about the right level of, kinda
• 32:49
  Becca Spradlin: guarding the mission, but also oversight of the CEO?
• 32:52
  Becca Spradlin: How how are they balancing that?
• 32:54
  Becca Spradlin: And so you need kind of all these pieces, leadership, ownership, and governance working
• 32:58
  Becca Spradlin: together.
• 32:59
  Becca Spradlin: Mhmm.
• 33:00
  Becca Spradlin: And then the last piece, we define protect champion.
• 33:03
  Becca Spradlin: The champion piece is all about your culture, your people.
• 33:06
  Becca Spradlin: How are you investing in that to generate
• 33:10
  Becca Spradlin: and perpetuate the purpose beyond you?
• 33:12
  Becca Spradlin: How are we doing leadership development?
• 33:14
  Becca Spradlin: How are we doing succession planning?
• 33:16
  Becca Spradlin: And I'd say a neat thing going back to the ServiceMaster case, even
• 33:20
  Becca Spradlin: since the book has come out and I've gone and, you know, worked with
• 33:23
  Becca Spradlin: different companies, I've met leaders who you who came out as ServiceMaster.
• 33:27
  Becca Spradlin: They're now CEOs somewhere else.
• 33:29
  Becca Spradlin: Yes.
• 33:30
  Becca Spradlin: And they have that DNA of that servant leadership model
• 33:34
  Becca Spradlin: that was, you know, there from the very beginning.
• 33:38
  Becca Spradlin: And I get I mean, it's it's wild to kind of see they were
• 33:41
  Becca Spradlin: doing something right in terms of the leadership development just over the changes
• 33:45
  Becca Spradlin: that kind of deteriorated, which happens over time.
• 33:47
  Becca Spradlin: But it's neat to see that kind of seed spread elsewhere.
• 33:51
  Becca Spradlin: Now there are these kind of amazing leaders leading other companies.
• 33:55
  Lisa Nichols: Right.
• 33:55
  Lisa Nichols: You know, it they did.
• 33:57
  Lisa Nichols: There are certain companies, Becca, that I always say that are leadership
• 34:01
  Lisa Nichols: development companies in and of themselves.
• 34:03
  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
• 34:04
  Lisa Nichols: You know, one of my dear friends was the former CHRO
• 34:08
  Lisa Nichols: for Enron Okay.
• 34:10
  Lisa Nichols: Before Enron imploded.
• 34:11
  Lisa Nichols: And, you know, all of them have now scattered and many of them are
• 34:14
  Lisa Nichols: leading companies.
• 34:16
  Lisa Nichols: You were talking about leadership development, how you champion
• 34:20
  Lisa Nichols: this within the organization, leadership development,
• 34:24
  Lisa Nichols: succession planning.
• 34:25
  Lisa Nichols: How about communication?
• 34:27
  Lisa Nichols: What have you seen with those companies that do it really well?
• 34:31
  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
• 34:32
  Lisa Nichols: What what kinds of communication protocols are they using?
• 34:36
  Lisa Nichols: What's their cadence of communication?
• 34:39
  Lisa Nichols: Is it perpetuated through the leadership development program?
• 34:42
  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
• 34:43
  Lisa Nichols: Or are there other ways that they're doing this?
• 34:45
  Becca Spradlin: Yeah.
• 34:46
  Becca Spradlin: That is a great question.
• 34:47
  Becca Spradlin: I think one of my favorite practices because these companies that we work with,
• 34:50
  Becca Spradlin: they all have, like, really strong values.
• 34:53
  Becca Spradlin: So you want to see those values reflected and reinforced in everything
• 34:57
  Becca Spradlin: from your hiring and your job descriptions,
• 35:01
  Becca Spradlin: to how you're doing performance reviews.
• 35:03
  Becca Spradlin: And then that kind of formal slash informal
• 35:07
  Becca Spradlin: celebration of what is happening.
• 35:10
  Becca Spradlin: So whether it's in an all team meeting or a, a division
• 35:14
  Becca Spradlin: meeting, how are you celebrating the great examples that
• 35:18
  Becca Spradlin: that people are living out or doing that really exemplify the values that bring
• 35:22
  Becca Spradlin: kind of color, context to what the mission is all about?
• 35:27
  Becca Spradlin: Another way that I encourage especially, I love working with founders because,
• 35:31
  Becca Spradlin: you know, in theory, they're kind of like the source code, so to speak,
• 35:34
  Becca Spradlin: for what the mission is and what it's all about.
• 35:36
  Becca Spradlin: And they may evolve in their thinking over time.
• 35:39
  Becca Spradlin: But I encourage anytime I'm working with a a CEO as a founder,
• 35:44
  Becca Spradlin: especially if they're kind of looking toward the end of their tenure, I say,
• 35:46
  Becca Spradlin: you know, can we get, you know, a video of you sharing about the
• 35:50
  Becca Spradlin: mission?
• 35:50
  Becca Spradlin: Not just what it is, but the why behind it.
• 35:54
  Becca Spradlin: And I think that is such an important piece to communicate certainly on onboarding
• 35:58
  Becca Spradlin: and and reinforcing it at least annually and kind of informally
• 36:02
  Becca Spradlin: in in team meetings and that kind of thing because people,
• 36:06
  Becca Spradlin: may not believe what you believe, but they really cannot argue
• 36:11
  Becca Spradlin: with your story.
• 36:12
  Becca Spradlin: The testimony of what God is doing through you, what he's done through you,
• 36:15
  Becca Spradlin: what how you've seen God at work in your company
• 36:19
  Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
• 36:19
  Becca Spradlin: Can't they can't argue with that.
• 36:21
  Becca Spradlin: And that kind of gives that, yeah, it just
• 36:25
  Becca Spradlin: helps explain the
• 36:27
  Lisa Nichols: why.
• 36:27
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 36:28
  Lisa Nichols: No.
• 36:28
  Lisa Nichols: That's really good.
• 36:29
  Lisa Nichols: That's really good.
• 36:34
  Lisa Nichols: You know, let me ask you this.
• 36:35
  Lisa Nichols: So the book what I love about how you did the book, Becca,
• 36:40
  Lisa Nichols: is at the end of every chapter, there's reflection questions.
• 36:44
  Lisa Nichols: And I always that's my favorite type of books.
• 36:47
  Lisa Nichols: So how have you have you seen the book or how would somebody,
• 36:51
  Lisa Nichols: you know, if they wanted to to go through the book, how could they
• 36:54
  Lisa Nichols: use it in a team or group type setting Absolutely.
• 36:57
  Lisa Nichols: That would be most effective?
• 36:59
  Becca Spradlin: Yeah.
• 36:59
  Becca Spradlin: So I'm a huge fan of reflection questions.
• 37:02
  Becca Spradlin: There's no learning without reflection.
• 37:05
  Becca Spradlin: So, even in workshops and things, how are we stopping and pausing to reflect
• 37:09
  Becca Spradlin: on this?
• 37:10
  Becca Spradlin: We do have a companion workbook that goes with it that actually gives you
• 37:13
  Becca Spradlin: space to kinda respond to those questions along with some extra resources.
• 37:18
  Becca Spradlin: So we encourage you, you can use that.
• 37:20
  Becca Spradlin: Certainly go through it with groups.
• 37:21
  Becca Spradlin: I think that's where you can start to even test out how do we
• 37:25
  Becca Spradlin: define what mission drift is, for example.
• 37:28
  Becca Spradlin: So many organizations have a clear kinda great looking mission, but
• 37:32
  Becca Spradlin: they haven't had the conversation about what mission drift is for our company because
• 37:36
  Becca Spradlin: it's not one definition fits all.
• 37:38
  Becca Spradlin: You know, each company is is unique in that way.
• 37:42
  Becca Spradlin: So we have that.
• 37:42
  Becca Spradlin: We also have a free self assessment on on our website.
• 37:46
  Becca Spradlin: You can go to on mission advisors dot com.
• 37:49
  Becca Spradlin: And so that's a free faith forward leadership self assessment.
• 37:53
  Becca Spradlin: We also offer a nonprofit version of that because
• 37:57
  Becca Spradlin: so many business leaders are also on boards of nonprofits, and Mission Drift is
• 38:01
  Becca Spradlin: a huge problem for nonprofits as well.
• 38:04
  Becca Spradlin: So we offer those two versions just freely available, and you can get
• 38:08
  Becca Spradlin: your results, print those, discuss them with with each other.
• 38:11
  Becca Spradlin: I think that's a great way to get started, and that can kinda complement
• 38:15
  Becca Spradlin: going through and studying the book together.
• 38:17
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 38:17
  Lisa Nichols: Oh, that's good.
• 38:18
  Lisa Nichols: I hope I hope some people that are listening will take us up on
• 38:22
  Lisa Nichols: that and get the book, and this could be something you could go through
• 38:25
  Lisa Nichols: with your team.
• 38:26
  Lisa Nichols: I think it would be
• 38:27
  Becca Spradlin: a really
• 38:27
  Lisa Nichols: rich exercise.
• 38:31
  Lisa Nichols: You do a lot
• 38:31
  Becca Spradlin: of
• 38:31
  Lisa Nichols: speaking, Becca.
• 38:33
  Lisa Nichols: You do a lot of speaking, and you run these workshops.
• 38:37
  Lisa Nichols: Are there trends that you're seeing right now?
• 38:41
  Becca Spradlin: Yeah.
• 38:41
  Lisa Nichols: With CEOs and leadership teams?
• 38:43
  Lisa Nichols: What are you seeing as you're working with different companies?
• 38:47
  Becca Spradlin: Sure.
• 38:47
  Becca Spradlin: So the research we did for the book, I would say, is pretty consistent
• 38:51
  Becca Spradlin: with even the results we get from those self assessments that I mentioned.
• 38:54
  Becca Spradlin: And that, succession planning is a pretty consistent weakness
• 38:59
  Becca Spradlin: across the board.
• 39:00
  Becca Spradlin: And that's you know, people joke with me.
• 39:02
  Becca Spradlin: It's like, no one wants to plan for their will or whatever in their
• 39:06
  Becca Spradlin: personal life.
• 39:07
  Becca Spradlin: No one wants to plan for succession too.
• 39:09
  Becca Spradlin: And I think that's it's hard.
• 39:11
  Becca Spradlin: It's just one of those things you have to make time to do even
• 39:15
  Becca Spradlin: if it's a simple version or your emergency version and your long term
• 39:19
  Becca Spradlin: plan.
• 39:19
  Becca Spradlin: But I think having that really good communication around that conversation,
• 39:23
  Becca Spradlin: whether it's between the CEO and the owner, CEO and the board,
• 39:28
  Becca Spradlin: or CEO and the leadership team if the CEO is also the owner saying,
• 39:31
  Becca Spradlin: like, we need to plan for this, especially if you're not planning to transition.
• 39:36
  Becca Spradlin: So we just we have to have a plan in place.
• 39:38
  Becca Spradlin: That is a best practice.
• 39:40
  Becca Spradlin: You can cite me on that.
• 39:42
  Becca Spradlin: It is a best practice to have a minimum plan in place, and people
• 39:45
  Becca Spradlin: who need to know should know where it is or what it is and
• 39:48
  Becca Spradlin: even who potential successors might be.
• 39:51
  Becca Spradlin: But you've gotta have that in place.
• 39:53
  Becca Spradlin: And, unfortunately, that was true when we were in the research phase and true
• 39:57
  Becca Spradlin: as we work with more organizations.
• 39:59
  Becca Spradlin: I think leadership development is part of that and and developing a good pipeline
• 40:03
  Becca Spradlin: of leaders.
• 40:05
  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
• 40:05
  Lisa Nichols: Absolutely.
• 40:07
  Becca Spradlin: Yeah.
• 40:07
  Becca Spradlin: So so those things I would say, especially for smaller organizations
• 40:11
  Becca Spradlin: or nonprofits, it's hard to kinda justify that, but you need you need something.
• 40:15
  Becca Spradlin: Even if it's, like, more boiler plate of a succession plan, it's a
• 40:19
  Becca Spradlin: great conversation to have,
• 40:22
  Becca Spradlin: you know, with your board or with other your kind of peer advisers, whoever
• 40:26
  Becca Spradlin: they might be, because it gets you thinking about what does the organization need
• 40:29
  Becca Spradlin: in the next generation.
• 40:31
  Becca Spradlin: You know?
• 40:32
  Becca Spradlin: And and how do we start thinking with that forward looking again?
• 40:36
  Becca Spradlin: Faith forward looking.
• 40:38
  Becca Spradlin: We want it to perpetuate the mission and vision beyond us.
• 40:40
  Becca Spradlin: It's it's just good stewardship of the mission when you start to think that
• 40:44
  Becca Spradlin: way.
• 40:44
  Becca Spradlin: And it takes humility for sure.
• 40:47
  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
• 40:48
  Lisa Nichols: Absolutely.
• 40:48
  Lisa Nichols: It does.
• 40:49
  Lisa Nichols: And it takes just discipline to step away Yeah.
• 40:53
  Lisa Nichols: From the day to day to think about those things that are really, really
• 40:57
  Lisa Nichols: important Mhmm.
• 40:58
  Lisa Nichols: As you said.
• 40:59
  Lisa Nichols: So, I've got just a couple other questions for you, and then we're going
• 41:03
  Lisa Nichols: to, talk about something extra.
• 41:05
  Lisa Nichols: But, I have to ask you this.
• 41:07
  Lisa Nichols: One of my favorite people in the whole wide world, Rocha Ford Yes.
• 41:12
  Lisa Nichols: Doctor Richard Blackaby.
• 41:13
  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
• 41:15
  Lisa Nichols: Yo, Becca, is there something specifically
• 41:19
  Lisa Nichols: that that you've learned from him?
• 41:21
  Lisa Nichols: Because you got to meet him, I think, at Vision and Values.
• 41:24
  Becca Spradlin: Yes.
• 41:24
  Becca Spradlin: I did.
• 41:25
  Becca Spradlin: Mhmm.
• 41:26
  Becca Spradlin: So we met at that event several years ago that you helped to organize,
• 41:29
  Becca Spradlin: so thank you for that.
• 41:30
  Becca Spradlin: And my husband and I were kind of were there, and we were big
• 41:34
  Becca Spradlin: Blackabee fans.
• 41:35
  Becca Spradlin: So we bought the experiencing godlike workbook right around the time
• 41:39
  Becca Spradlin: we got married.
• 41:40
  Becca Spradlin: We bought twelve copies, gave them to all our friends.
• 41:42
  Becca Spradlin: I mean, we were raving fans of of what, you know, what they
• 41:46
  Becca Spradlin: were sharing, what their ministry is about.
• 41:48
  Becca Spradlin: And so we saw them at the event.
• 41:49
  Becca Spradlin: We sat with them at a meal, him and his colleague, Rick.
• 41:53
  Becca Spradlin: And we talked to them about joy sparking joy in your family.
• 41:57
  Becca Spradlin: So it was it was just a beautiful conversation about family
• 42:01
  Becca Spradlin: and and celebrating, you know, the good things God's doing in your family and
• 42:05
  Becca Spradlin: cultivating gratitude.
• 42:06
  Becca Spradlin: I just look back at that moment.
• 42:08
  Becca Spradlin: I'm like, what a beautiful conversation.
• 42:11
  Becca Spradlin: And when I started working on the book, I was thinking about, you know,
• 42:15
  Becca Spradlin: who would be the right person to write this forward.
• 42:18
  Becca Spradlin: And he would you know, doctor Richard Blackby was the only person I could
• 42:22
  Becca Spradlin: think of.
• 42:22
  Becca Spradlin: So I was like, I really hope he says yes because I can't think
• 42:25
  Becca Spradlin: of anyone else because he brought such great wisdom
• 42:29
  Becca Spradlin: from his mentoring and discipleship of CEOs through the
• 42:33
  Becca Spradlin: CEO forum and the work he does there.
• 42:36
  Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
• 42:37
  Becca Spradlin: But also his his own personal journey taking on,
• 42:41
  Becca Spradlin: an organization from his father, and and now now he's at the point where
• 42:44
  Becca Spradlin: he's thinking about the next generation of leadership.
• 42:48
  Becca Spradlin: So he brought that personal connection in addition to all the just wonderful things
• 42:51
  Becca Spradlin: that he emphasizes in his ministry and that abiding, which is such a core
• 42:56
  Becca Spradlin: piece to all of this.
• 42:58
  Becca Spradlin: And I have to say, I, you know, emailed him and asked when he
• 43:01
  Becca Spradlin: sent the first draft of the, forward, it opened
• 43:05
  Becca Spradlin: with a scripture that I use in pretty much every training about mission
• 43:10
  Becca Spradlin: drift in in in the bible.
• 43:12
  Becca Spradlin: And I was Yeah.
• 43:13
  Becca Spradlin: Like, this beautiful affirmation of, like, he totally gets this, and
• 43:17
  Becca Spradlin: he gave great guidance and and insight on the book draft as well.
• 43:21
  Becca Spradlin: It was it was so helpful.
• 43:22
  Becca Spradlin: So I have such a deep respect for him.
• 43:24
  Becca Spradlin: I was truly just honored that he he wrote that forward.
• 43:28
  Lisa Nichols: I know.
• 43:29
  Lisa Nichols: I quote him all the time, Becca.
• 43:31
  Lisa Nichols: And you talking about talking about joy in your families, I'll never
• 43:35
  Lisa Nichols: forget.
• 43:36
  Lisa Nichols: And, I mean, I use this all the time too, and it's it's a
• 43:39
  Lisa Nichols: question that I ask myself.
• 43:41
  Lisa Nichols: You know, he said one time that in his own family,
• 43:45
  Lisa Nichols: it's like when he walks in the room, are does the
• 43:49
  Lisa Nichols: joy meter go up?
• 43:50
  Becca Spradlin: Oh, that's
• 43:51
  Lisa Nichols: good.
• 43:51
  Lisa Nichols: Or does the joy meter go up when he walks out of the room?
• 43:55
  Becca Spradlin: Oh, that's good.
• 43:55
  Becca Spradlin: That's powerful question.
• 43:57
  Lisa Nichols: It's so powerful.
• 43:58
  Lisa Nichols: It's a great question to ask yourself, right?
• 44:00
  Lisa Nichols: Because you hope that your presence in the room
• 44:06
  Lisa Nichols: elevates the joy in the room, not diminishes it, You know?
• 44:09
  Lisa Nichols: And I've never forgot that.
• 44:11
  Lisa Nichols: But, yeah, that scripture that you're talking about, which I love too, and the
• 44:14
  Lisa Nichols: people serve the Lord all the days of Joshua Mhmm.
• 44:17
  Lisa Nichols: And all the days of the elders who outlived Joshua, who had seen
• 44:22
  Lisa Nichols: all the great work that the Lord had done for Israel.
• 44:25
  Lisa Nichols: And there arose another generation after them who did not know
• 44:29
  Lisa Nichols: the Lord or the work that he had done for Israel.
• 44:32
  Lisa Nichols: And that's judges two seven and ten b.
• 44:35
  Lisa Nichols: And to your point earlier,
• 44:38
  Lisa Nichols: you know, we're we're sometimes one generation away.
• 44:41
  Becca Spradlin: Oh, yeah.
• 44:42
  Lisa Nichols: Or one transition away.
• 44:45
  Lisa Nichols: Right?
• 44:46
  Lisa Nichols: From things changing radically.
• 44:48
  Lisa Nichols: Absolutely.
• 44:48
  Lisa Nichols: And so I love what you're talking about,
• 44:53
  Lisa Nichols: the define, protect, champion.
• 44:55
  Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
• 44:56
  Lisa Nichols: We can define it, but we have to protect it with everything in
• 45:00
  Lisa Nichols: us.
• 45:00
  Becca Spradlin: Mhmm.
• 45:02
  Lisa Nichols: And then, obviously, the way we can do that is by championing it to
• 45:06
  Lisa Nichols: the other people in our organization, right, and that upcoming leadership.
• 45:10
  Lisa Nichols: So Yes.
• 45:11
  Lisa Nichols: That's a great reminder, though Yep.
• 45:15
  Lisa Nichols: That we're all susceptible to mission drift.
• 45:19
  Lisa Nichols: So this brings me to to just a couple of other questions, and I
• 45:22
  Lisa Nichols: want to talk about something extra.
• 45:24
  Becca Spradlin: Mhmm.
• 45:25
  Lisa Nichols: It's not just mission drift in our organizations, Becca.
• 45:29
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 45:29
  Lisa Nichols: It can be mission drift in our family life, for sure.
• 45:34
  Lisa Nichols: So, you know, what does faith at work
• 45:39
  Lisa Nichols: look like in your home life?
• 45:41
  Lisa Nichols: Because you're you've got a husband, you've got three
• 45:45
  Lisa Nichols: children, three daughters.
• 45:46
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 45:47
  Lisa Nichols: What does that look like and what have you seen
• 45:51
  Lisa Nichols: with leaders in how you encourage them to to make
• 45:55
  Lisa Nichols: sure that they have mission with their families.
• 45:58
  Becca Spradlin: Absolutely.
• 45:59
  Becca Spradlin: So we are we are all prone to drift.
• 46:01
  Becca Spradlin: That's why we need accountability.
• 46:02
  Becca Spradlin: But one piece we haven't talked about yet that's in the book is the
• 46:06
  Becca Spradlin: role of abiding and the importance of abiding.
• 46:10
  Becca Spradlin: This is how leaders know how to define, protect, and champion
• 46:14
  Becca Spradlin: what matters most in light of attorney.
• 46:16
  Becca Spradlin: We need to remain connected to our source.
• 46:19
  Becca Spradlin: So family wise, I'm grateful.
• 46:21
  Becca Spradlin: I mean, my husband helps hold me accountable for sure.
• 46:24
  Becca Spradlin: That's really even even my daughters are getting the age where they can hold
• 46:27
  Becca Spradlin: me accountable too.
• 46:29
  Becca Spradlin: You know, you said this with that.
• 46:31
  Becca Spradlin: You know, they're they're big into that.
• 46:33
  Becca Spradlin: But I think those rhythms, for a number of years, I had a hard
• 46:36
  Becca Spradlin: time having a daily discipline of being in the word of God.
• 46:40
  Becca Spradlin: But now I'm grateful that I I'm able to do that and
• 46:44
  Becca Spradlin: have been able to do that and just going through scripture.
• 46:47
  Becca Spradlin: I think having accountability group outside of marriage, friends
• 46:51
  Becca Spradlin: that can help ask hard questions and ask how you're growing in the
• 46:55
  Becca Spradlin: Lord certainly helps.
• 46:57
  Becca Spradlin: Aligned mentors too because I think they're people you know,
• 47:01
  Becca Spradlin: there might be a good mentor in some ways, but who's kinda mentoring you
• 47:04
  Becca Spradlin: that gets that eternal perspective that you're going for,
• 47:08
  Becca Spradlin: and that higher purpose you're going for because it's gonna lead you to a
• 47:12
  Becca Spradlin: point in in your personal life, in your work life where you're gonna make
• 47:15
  Becca Spradlin: choices that don't seem maybe wise from a worldly perspective.
• 47:20
  Becca Spradlin: So having those advisers around you and that accountability around you really,
• 47:25
  Becca Spradlin: really helps.
• 47:27
  Becca Spradlin: Other rhythms or practices, I'd say, that could work for business or or or
• 47:31
  Becca Spradlin: for your personal self is solitude days.
• 47:34
  Becca Spradlin: And and we try to have one solitude date a month.
• 47:37
  Becca Spradlin: And if I'm being honest, it usually turns into a half day.
• 47:40
  Becca Spradlin: But I figure it's better block the whole day.
• 47:44
  Becca Spradlin: And if you can get a half day or maybe you start with four
• 47:46
  Becca Spradlin: hours and you can get two in, just just have that time blocked
• 47:50
  Becca Spradlin: on your calendar.
• 47:52
  Becca Spradlin: And then it can do things quarterly and annually too.
• 47:54
  Becca Spradlin: But I think that's a rhythm that I do with my husband.
• 47:58
  Becca Spradlin: We both try to take the same same time so that we can debrief
• 48:01
  Becca Spradlin: at the end of the day kind of what we sense the Lord speaking
• 48:04
  Becca Spradlin: to us.
• 48:05
  Becca Spradlin: So we're all work in progress.
• 48:07
  Becca Spradlin: We're all prone to drift, and I think it's those rhythms organizationally
• 48:11
  Becca Spradlin: and individually that we need because certainly the drift
• 48:15
  Becca Spradlin: of a leader can cause a whole organization to drift.
• 48:19
  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
• 48:20
  Lisa Nichols: I cannot wait for you.
• 48:21
  Lisa Nichols: You'd said that you before we even started the show today, you said I
• 48:25
  Lisa Nichols: just listened to your podcast you did with Matt and Maria
• 48:29
  Lisa Nichols: Granados.
• 48:31
  Lisa Nichols: And I cannot wait for you to connect to them, Becca, because they
• 48:35
  Lisa Nichols: are
• 48:36
  Lisa Nichols: they are just very diligent with their rhythms.
• 48:39
  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
• 48:39
  Lisa Nichols: It's really beautiful how they go about
• 48:43
  Lisa Nichols: doing, you know, date nights.
• 48:46
  Lisa Nichols: And, I mean, it's really they've got rhythms, you know, that they that they
• 48:50
  Lisa Nichols: abide by.
• 48:50
  Lisa Nichols: So I love that.
• 48:52
  Lisa Nichols: Well, gosh, I've got so many more questions for you, but we're running out
• 48:55
  Lisa Nichols: of time here.
• 48:56
  Lisa Nichols: You'd mentioned your daughters and keeping you accountable.
• 48:59
  Lisa Nichols: Is there are there any leadership lessons that you have learned from your kids?
• 49:04
  Becca Spradlin: Oh my goodness.
• 49:05
  Becca Spradlin: You
• 49:06
  Becca Spradlin: know?
• 49:08
  Becca Spradlin: Yeah.
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  Becca Spradlin: I think one of the I I think I'm always in awe of when
• 49:12
  Becca Spradlin: the Lord kind of speaks through them.
• 49:15
  Becca Spradlin: So I think
• 49:17
  Becca Spradlin: maybe it's an encouragement for parents.
• 49:19
  Becca Spradlin: Like, all the investment of, like, helping them learn to read so they can
• 49:22
  Becca Spradlin: read the word of God on their own or helping them, you know, understand
• 49:26
  Becca Spradlin: biblical concepts and then or encouraging scripture memory
• 49:30
  Becca Spradlin: and then kinda saying it back to you just at that moment, it
• 49:34
  Becca Spradlin: just reminds me that, a, the holy spirit is is active in
• 49:39
  Becca Spradlin: our lives and in our children's lives too.
• 49:42
  Becca Spradlin: So I think that, that humility to know that learning can come from any
• 49:46
  Becca Spradlin: direction, whether it's a younger person in your organization or your
• 49:50
  Becca Spradlin: child.
• 49:51
  Becca Spradlin: Yes.
• 49:52
  Becca Spradlin: Yeah.
• 49:53
  Becca Spradlin: We we can all learn from each other for sure.
• 49:55
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 49:56
  Lisa Nichols: We should do an a whole another podcast on that.
• 49:59
  Becca Spradlin: Yes.
• 50:00
  Becca Spradlin: Lots there.
• 50:01
  Lisa Nichols: I have learned so much from my my kids, and they will.
• 50:05
  Lisa Nichols: They will hold you accountable.
• 50:07
  Lisa Nichols: I mean, if you are trying to teach them a certain principle and they
• 50:11
  Lisa Nichols: see you not being congruent with that Yeah.
• 50:13
  Lisa Nichols: You know, I've had my grandson say, yeah, yeah.
• 50:17
  Lisa Nichols: I was wanting to do this, and you you were, out last night,
• 50:22
  Lisa Nichols: you know, and we're able to, you know, really protecting your time.
• 50:25
  Lisa Nichols: And so I just love that.
• 50:26
  Lisa Nichols: We could probably do a whole podcast on that, Becca.
• 50:29
  Lisa Nichols: But I have to ask you, what do you believe is something extra that
• 50:33
  Lisa Nichols: every leader needs?
• 50:34
  Lisa Nichols: For sure.
• 50:35
  Becca Spradlin: So if we think of Jesus Christ as our core and our belief in
• 50:39
  Becca Spradlin: God as core, I think there's something extra that faithful
• 50:43
  Becca Spradlin: leaders seem to have is what I call uncommon intentionality.
• 50:48
  Becca Spradlin: So so many of the leaders, you know, they're I mean, they're all intentional
• 50:51
  Becca Spradlin: to get to that level where they are, but it's it's a
• 50:55
  Becca Spradlin: different level of intentionality and forward looking that is unfortunately
• 51:00
  Becca Spradlin: uncommon.
• 51:01
  Becca Spradlin: It's it's not easy, and it's rare to find, and that's why I think
• 51:05
  Becca Spradlin: drift happens so much.
• 51:07
  Becca Spradlin: So I think it's discerning with the lord what and how what are the
• 51:11
  Becca Spradlin: ways that he would have you be kinda step into an uncommon intentionality
• 51:15
  Becca Spradlin: intentionality to do something to think through how do we continue this higher purpose
• 51:20
  Becca Spradlin: beyond us.
• 51:20
  Becca Spradlin: Certainly, humility is part of that as well.
• 51:24
  Becca Spradlin: But, yeah, how do we not just do what the people around us are
• 51:27
  Becca Spradlin: doing, but really connect to the source and and take those uncommon steps?
• 51:32
  Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
• 51:33
  Lisa Nichols: That's really good.
• 51:34
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 51:34
  Lisa Nichols: Don't don't just do what the crowd is doing.
• 51:37
  Lisa Nichols: I mean, it may just be something totally
• 51:40
  Lisa Nichols: new.
• 51:41
  Lisa Nichols: Right?
• 51:41
  Lisa Nichols: I mean, you may download something totally different that that you need
• 51:45
  Lisa Nichols: to be doing.
• 51:46
  Lisa Nichols: So, I love that.
• 51:48
  Lisa Nichols: Nobody's ever said uncommon intentionality before, so that's really
• 51:52
  Lisa Nichols: beautiful.
• 51:53
  Lisa Nichols: Well, Becca, thank you so much for being with me today.
• 51:56
  Lisa Nichols: This has been so much fun, and I just know that your our listeners
• 52:00
  Lisa Nichols: are really gonna benefit.
• 52:01
  Lisa Nichols: And I hope they all go out and get your book, Lead on Mission.
• 52:05
  Becca Spradlin: Thank you so much.
• 52:06
  Becca Spradlin: It's a joy to connect with you and talk with you today.
• 52:09
  Becca Spradlin: Absolutely.
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