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Steve Price | 14 November · Steve Price

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Speaker 1: Live.
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Speaker 2: This is Steve Price. Welcome to Friday Nights a week
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Speaker 2: of course dominated by energy policy and the Liberals twisting
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Speaker 2: and turning in the breeze like a giant wind turbine.
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Speaker 2: And we've had a Prime Minister in my view, more
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Speaker 2: interested in rewriting history around Labor Martin Gough Whitlam than
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Speaker 2: looking back on Remembrance Day to those who sacrifice their
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Speaker 2: lives for Australia. I'll have more on that in just
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Speaker 2: a moment. First up tonight though, do we now have
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Speaker 2: a real battle line drawn on energy policy between the
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Speaker 2: Coalition and Labor and what does it actually mean for
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Speaker 2: your power bills? Energy research experts or Kavonic will join
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Speaker 2: us shortly plus amazing what a looming election, a state
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Speaker 2: election will do to your core beliefs, even if that
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Speaker 2: election is still a year away. With the backflip of
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Speaker 2: all backflips, the Victorian Premier to send to Allen goes
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Speaker 2: from softening bayil laws to threatening to jail teenage offenders
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Speaker 2: for life. Truly aggery. Lauren Order commentator and ex homicide
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Speaker 2: Squad detective Charlie Bazina will be in and the BBC,
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Speaker 2: as Danika just mentioned, apologizes to Donald Trump over adopted
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Speaker 2: capital riot speech as he threatens a massive legal action
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Speaker 2: against them. Adrian Hazel joined us from the UK, and
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Speaker 2: I'll pay tribute to the radio legend and my former
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Speaker 2: colleague John Laws with Joe Hildebrand on our panel later
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Speaker 2: in the program. But first, I bought a poppy badge
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Speaker 2: this week and I spent eleven AM on Tuesday, November
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Speaker 2: the eleventh observing a minute's silence along with our Sky audience. Now,
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Speaker 2: Remembrance Day might now not have the same impact on
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Speaker 2: the wider Australian population than Anzac Day does, but it
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Speaker 2: should have. The Great War, as World War One became known,
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Speaker 2: claimed the lives of an estimated sixty thousand Australian soldiers,
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Speaker 2: with forty six thousand men killed on the Western Front
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Speaker 2: alone and another one hundred thousand Australians wounded. Think about
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Speaker 2: that for a moment. Australia's population at the start of
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Speaker 2: World War One was just five million people. And we
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Speaker 2: all know what a horror show anzac Cove turned into
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Speaker 2: and the horrible loss of life on those cliffs as
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Speaker 2: the Turks reigned death down upon young Australian's Kiwis and
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Speaker 2: the Anzac legend was born. So Remembrance Day has become
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Speaker 2: an all encompassing date to reflect on the loss of
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Speaker 2: every Australian life in all theaters of war. So what
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Speaker 2: does our Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi do on the
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Speaker 2: eve of November eleven this year, which, as every Labour
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Speaker 2: person in the nation's reminded us over and over again,
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Speaker 2: this week is the fiftieth anniversary of dismissal of the
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Speaker 2: truly dreadful Prime Minister Gough Whitlam. Well, Albanisi announces that
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Speaker 2: your federal government has commissioned a bronze statue of Gough
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Speaker 2: Whitlam to stand in the Parliamentary Triangle in Canberra, presumably
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Speaker 2: paid for by you and me. Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi
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Speaker 2: on the eve of November eleven makes a speech lording
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Speaker 2: Whitlam and talks up the idea that the dismissal was
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Speaker 2: a calculated plot and a scheming pursuit of power. His
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Speaker 2: words from Malcolm Fraser and the Liberals have a look.
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Speaker 2: Make no mistake.
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Speaker 3: November the eleventh, nineteen seventy five was not a constitutional crisis.
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Speaker 3: It was a partisan political ambush. There was no real
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Speaker 3: precedent and no legitimate pretext. The dismissal was a calculated
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Speaker 3: plot hatched by conservative forces which sacrificed conventions and institutions
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Speaker 3: in the pursue of power.
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Speaker 2: Well, Anthony Alberinezi, he turns the twenty four hours of
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Speaker 2: a remembrance Day into a Gough love fest, ignoring the
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Speaker 2: fact that following the dismissal of GoF Whitlam, Fraser immediately
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Speaker 2: calls an election for December thirteen. Just four weeks later
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Speaker 2: after Kerr had acted, the coalition tore thirty seats off
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Speaker 2: Labor and won the second biggest two party hed election
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Speaker 2: victory in history. What message was that sending GoF whitlerm
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Speaker 2: Now it's got to be noted, of course, that Anthony
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Speaker 2: Albanezi now holds the record for the third highest swing
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Speaker 2: in history. And to be fair, he did on Tuesday
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Speaker 2: all through Remembrance Day speeches at the hit through speeches
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Speaker 2: at the National War Memorial, which included retired Major General
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Speaker 2: Greg Melick calling for greater defense spending in the face
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Speaker 2: of an aggressive China.
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Speaker 4: Here he is our defenseman of sekeenly aware of the
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Speaker 4: issues facing his portfolio, so the challenge before him is
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Speaker 4: to convince his colleagues to rebalance our priorities. Otherwise, of
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Speaker 4: future remembrance day ceremonis, we may well regret the conflict
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Speaker 4: we didn't deter and remember those who we demanded to
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Speaker 4: protect us without the necessary wherewithal.
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Speaker 2: A speech, by the way immediately dismissed by another labor hero,
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Speaker 2: Paul Keating, who called Melick a quote dope and accused
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Speaker 2: him of abusing the solemnity of November eleven. Melick, by
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Speaker 2: the way, doubleda defended himself, pointing out he had a
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Speaker 2: long and enduring track record of serving his country. Good
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Speaker 2: on him. Labor just can't help themselves when it comes
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Speaker 2: to November eleven to rust it on labor players and supporters.
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Speaker 2: It will always be the day GoF got the chop
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Speaker 2: from Kerr as what we should be remembering, not the
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Speaker 2: sacrifice of tens of thousands of Australians who gave their
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Speaker 2: lives for this country. Look, I think it's repulsive, and
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Speaker 2: of course our young people hear all this goth stuff
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Speaker 2: and talk of statues instead of being taught what the
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Speaker 2: eleventh of November actually stands for. For me personally, November
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Speaker 2: eleventh and Anzac Day on April twenty fifth makes me
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Speaker 2: think about my late uncle Don mcgregorday, a Second World
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Speaker 2: War foot soldier. He served on the front lines as
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Speaker 2: one of the celebrated Rats of de Brook of the
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Speaker 2: Australian ninth Division, holding off the Germans and the Italians,
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Speaker 2: which is described in military history as one of the
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Speaker 2: bravest acts of defiance in World War II. He was
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Speaker 2: sent back to Australia, only to then be reassigned to
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Speaker 2: fight the Japanese in New Guinea. He survived the war,
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Speaker 2: but he didn't survive the peace, suffering what back then
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Speaker 2: was known as shell shock, we call it PTSD now.
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Speaker 2: His life was in and out of mental care and
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Speaker 2: a life ending battle with alcoholism. If anything, it's soldiers
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Speaker 2: like him that deserve a statue.
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Speaker 5: Well.
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Speaker 2: A liberal half of the coalition yesterday dragged themselves, kicking
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Speaker 2: and screaming, to the position of dropping the unachievable ambition
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Speaker 2: of net zero by twenty fifty. Why they ever got
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Speaker 2: themselves into this position is hard to understand. And if
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Speaker 2: anyone thinks this is the end of the tensions within
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Speaker 2: that party around this issue, they're kidding. Themselves now the
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Speaker 2: actual coalition, remember the Nationals got to this position weeks ago,
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Speaker 2: will no doubt what to say in a joint statement
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Speaker 2: coming up on the weekend Sunday, I believe joining me
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Speaker 2: in our head of energy at MS to Financial sal Kovonic, Saul,
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Speaker 2: good to see you again. Can we just start with
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Speaker 2: the most basic question net zero, the ambition of that,
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Speaker 2: what's the chance of that happening in Australia.
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Speaker 6: Well, as you say, we've seen the Liberal Party dismantling
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Speaker 6: themselves internally over whether they're going to pay lip service
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Speaker 6: to this net zero twenty fifty target, which is just
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Speaker 6: to be clear, completely impossible to achieve, and to the
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Speaker 6: extent it is impossible and our estimates would come at
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Speaker 6: a cost of over a trillion dollars to the Australian economy.
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Speaker 6: So the realities is most people who are very focused
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Speaker 6: in our energy markets and even in our industrial sectors
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Speaker 6: and agricultural sectors know that it's an impossible target to achieve.
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Speaker 6: Of course, we have lots of political targets very impossible
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Speaker 6: to achieve. I think what Australia really needs to get
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Speaker 6: see more focus on, including from the Liberals. After this
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Speaker 6: announcement is what's actually some tangible, concrete, polar see we
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Speaker 6: can see in the next few years to regain Australia's
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Speaker 6: energy advantage. Because the end of the day, this impossible
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Speaker 6: twenty fifty target. All the people who talk about whether
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Speaker 6: they're making it or not now are not going to
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Speaker 6: be around to be held to account for it in
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Speaker 6: twenty fifty. Anyway, we need to really focus on what
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Speaker 6: are we doing for Australians now, not some hypothetical future
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Speaker 6: that no one will be around to be held accounted before.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, fantastic point. I mean, twenty fifty is a hell
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Speaker 2: of a long way away, isn't it now. Chris Bowen
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Speaker 2: obviously the Energy and Climate change minister Strange I think
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Speaker 2: those two portfolios together. But that's another point he's taken
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Speaker 2: aim at the Liberal policy today. Here's what Chris Bowen said,
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Speaker 2: as usual over the top.
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Speaker 7: I think Australian's had they say in May, you know
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Speaker 7: mister Dutton, I wish him well, said he wanted to
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Speaker 7: reference him on climate and energy. We were okay with
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Speaker 7: that happened in May. Austrange people told us to get
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Speaker 7: on with the job. That's what we're doing. I don't
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Speaker 7: think the Coalition got the memo from the Australian people in May.
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Speaker 2: Though Sorely makes the point that Labor, he believes, has
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Speaker 2: a mandate to do what they're doing. But I don't
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Speaker 2: believe that during that election campaign the prosecution of the
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Speaker 2: case about what Labor was going to do, how much
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Speaker 2: it was going to cost us, the change it would
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Speaker 2: make to regional Australia was ever made very clear, and
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Speaker 2: all the Labor Party concentrated on was demonizing uranium and nuclear.
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Speaker 6: Well, I don't think anyone's accusing the Coalition of running
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Speaker 6: any kind of effective campaign on energy in lead up
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Speaker 6: to the election or frankly since.
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Speaker 8: But I think you know, when you want.
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Speaker 6: To look at Chris Bowen's track record here, we should
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Speaker 6: listen to Chris Bowen's own departments. Recently, his departments come
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Speaker 6: out to report highlighting that his gas market interventions have
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Speaker 6: resulted in less gas into the domestic market and a
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Speaker 6: freeze up of contracting in the aftermath. In twenty twenty three,
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Speaker 6: the recent power market review, again from Chris Bowen's own departments,
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Speaker 6: acknowledge that the capacity investment scheme delayed investment of all
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Speaker 6: forms of new investment in power generation and also the
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Speaker 6: approvals landscape under labor has made it much harder to
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Speaker 6: build new generation of any technology type. So if you
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Speaker 6: look at what Chris Bowen's and departments are saying, actually
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Speaker 6: highlighting the failures of his own policy in the terms
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Speaker 6: of twenty twenty two to twenty twenty five plus, we're
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Speaker 6: actually starting to see Chris Bowen change some of his polics.
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Speaker 6: You'll notice he's talking a lot more positively about gas
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Speaker 6: and gas speakers now, which is actually a recognition that
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Speaker 6: his previous stance, which was much more hostile to gas,
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Speaker 6: was a failure and leading to increased costs and instability
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Speaker 6: in the market. So you don't have to listen to
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Speaker 6: folks like myself or yourself others in the market about
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Speaker 6: the failing of Labour's policy under Chris Bowen. You can
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Speaker 6: listen to Chris Bowen's own departments to get that record now.
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Speaker 2: And as we know so, I mean electricity builds and
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Speaker 2: electricity prices are still being subsidized by you and me
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Speaker 2: and every other text player watching is I've got my
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Speaker 2: electricity bill last week and I don't need someone to
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Speaker 2: pay seventy five dollars for my bill. But that's exactly
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Speaker 2: what's happening. Everyone in Australia is getting a cheaper electricity
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Speaker 2: because tax players are paying for it.
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Speaker 6: Well, I think there's a few things. Everyone obviously can
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Speaker 6: feel that their bills are going up. But what I
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Speaker 6: want to highlight is energy is critical to much more
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Speaker 6: than just the electricity bills. It's critical to our manufacturing sector.
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Speaker 6: It is critical to the reindustrialization of our critical supply chains.
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Speaker 6: It is essential for us to have our sovereign data
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Speaker 6: centers so that Australia can win in an artificial intelligence race.
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Speaker 6: We need to regain our energy advantage again, that is
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Speaker 6: what enables us to have high standards of living in
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Speaker 6: a high labor costs in our nation. And to do
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Speaker 6: that we have to become a nation of go instead
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Speaker 6: of no. We have to fix our approval processes and
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Speaker 6: we have to get back to affordability and reliability of
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Speaker 6: energy and not over focus on things like climate concerns
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Speaker 6: when the rest of the world isn't if that's going
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Speaker 6: to be detrimental to our economy.
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Speaker 8: And the hope is with what.
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Speaker 6: The Liberals have come out with to date is going
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Speaker 6: to allow room for them to now focus on a
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Speaker 6: winning energy policy, But I do want to highlight that
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Speaker 6: the net removing the net zero target is the easy part.
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Speaker 6: The hard part is now actually providing detailed, concrete policy
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Speaker 6: so Australia can win a energy again and we haven't
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Speaker 6: actually seen that from the Coalition yet and that's the
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Speaker 6: challenge for them now going forwards.
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Speaker 2: Just finally, so I mean susanly did to mention yesterday
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Speaker 2: that they have not ruled out development of new coal
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Speaker 2: fired power stations. Do such things exist as cleaner, easier
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Speaker 2: to establish and easier to build new age cul fired
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Speaker 2: power stations?
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Speaker 8: Do they exist? Yes, they exist.
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Speaker 6: What I think is important is we need to move
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Speaker 6: away from picking winners, whichever form of government tend to
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Speaker 6: do it badly, go back to the roots of the
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Speaker 6: Liberal Party, which is about markets and set standards. And
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Speaker 6: this is why I think the suggestion that we've seen
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Speaker 6: from Danteyen that we should have a capacity scheme which
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Speaker 6: is technology agnostic. And if Cole wins that capacity scheme, great,
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Speaker 6: If gas wins great, if renewals and batteries win great,
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Speaker 6: but let it come down to what's delivering the best
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Speaker 6: outcome for Australia. And we really need to see camera
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Speaker 6: stop trying to make that decision for the market because
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Speaker 6: camera is not well equipped to do it. The market
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Speaker 6: is much better and investors are much better at knowing
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Speaker 6: that what's going to work than the boffin's up in camera.
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Speaker 2: So great common sense. Thanks for joining us tonight. I
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Speaker 2: appreciate it very much. Let's crossed it by Friday Night
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Speaker 2: regular form a Queensland Liberal Premier Campbell Newman Campbell, great
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Speaker 2: to see you again. We saw that defiant parade of Conservatives.
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Speaker 2: That picture was on the front page of The Australian
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Speaker 2: the day after the Conservative arm of the Liberal Party
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Speaker 2: arching into that meeting led by three women. There they
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Speaker 2: are Sarah Henderson and jamb and just behind there Angus
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Speaker 2: Taylor and Andrew Hasty, the male competitors probably for the leadership.
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Speaker 2: What do you think that says about Susan Lee's leadership.
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Speaker 9: Well, I think that it's probably is on a bit
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Speaker 9: of a knife edge. But having said that, and I'm
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Speaker 9: not a fan, remember I've said that before. She's come
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Speaker 9: out pretty hard since the decision was made, and it
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Speaker 9: would have been a very tough decision. But what she's
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Speaker 9: doing in these early hours after that party room meeting
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Speaker 9: is to go out on the front foot and go hard.
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Speaker 8: That's what I've been advocating.
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Speaker 9: You can't be you can't make this sort of decision
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Speaker 9: and be half pregnant. You've got to go out there
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Speaker 9: with conviction and now argue why net zero is so
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Speaker 9: bad for Australians, why it has increased the cost of living,
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Speaker 9: why our quality of life has gone backwards, and why
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Speaker 9: it is an impossible, crazy economic suicide note to the nation.
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Speaker 9: And if they do that, well, I think that they
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Speaker 9: actually can start to succeed on the matter. But don't
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Speaker 9: try and straddle the barb wire fence.
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Speaker 2: And as Saul said there, I mean stop camera being
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Speaker 2: the one to pick winners. Let the market decide what
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Speaker 2: the grid needs to remain reliable, and talk about the
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Speaker 2: things that will make it reliable, like you know, col
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Speaker 2: fired power stations, like a long term ambition to have
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Speaker 2: nuclear energy, like more gas being used. Prosecute that hard
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Speaker 2: because you then highlight that all Chris Bowen ever talks
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Speaker 2: about and Anthony Albanezi is that wind and solar are
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Speaker 2: cheap and that's the future.
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Speaker 9: And also talk Steve about the fact that I'll say
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Speaker 9: it again. I've said it on your show before, but
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Speaker 9: just to reiterate, this household has spent forty five thousand
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Speaker 9: dollars and we're affluent, can afford it forty five thousand
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Speaker 9: dollars on batteries and solar and guess what, we still
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Speaker 9: get a power bill. In fact, we've got a five
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Speaker 9: hundred dollar power will for the last quarter. So this
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Speaker 9: stuff is costing. Australian's a motza. It's not cheap, it's
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Speaker 9: not free. And the most ridiculous idea of Chris Bones
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Speaker 9: in the last two weeks was that you know, three
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Speaker 9: hours of free electricity during the middle of the day.
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Speaker 1: I mean.
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Speaker 9: Judith Slain and The Australian demolished that comprehensively a few
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Speaker 9: days ago and she points out that basically, yes, you
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Speaker 9: get three hours of free power, but you pay for
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Speaker 9: it in increased charges for the rest of the other day,
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Speaker 9: the other twenty one hours of the day.
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Speaker 1: And that was always the fact, just like the.
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Speaker 9: Ill conceived solar panel sort of incentive schemes going back
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Speaker 9: about a decade ago, which then we're all factored into
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Speaker 9: people's power bills. People with panels got this great subsidy
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Speaker 9: and it was paid for by everyone who didn't have panels.
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Speaker 9: So if the Coalition go out hard and explain this
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Speaker 9: to Australians, particularly on the cost of living issues, I
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Speaker 9: think they'll really start to succeed.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and once at of those power bill Government paid
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Speaker 2: power bill, the amounts that we're getting me included seventy
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Speaker 2: five dollars. Well, I can pay my own power bill.
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Speaker 2: Why am I getting seventy five dollars from the tax
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Speaker 2: prayer of Australia to supplement the cost of my energy?
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Speaker 2: I mean, once they all go, we know exactly what
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Speaker 2: that does for a start to inflation, and then people
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Speaker 2: are just going to be back worse than they were
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Speaker 2: when we started this whole nonsense.
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Speaker 9: There was smoking mirrors from the beginning. Steve, It's like
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Speaker 9: they take it out of his pocket and they take
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Speaker 9: it around the back and then they are way, here's
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Speaker 9: some money for you. I mean, and again that's what
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Speaker 9: the Coalition should have been saying, that this is just
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Speaker 9: smoke and mirrors. Ever since we've been on this net
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Speaker 9: zero trajectory with renewables, the bills have gone up double
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Speaker 9: digits and it is an extraordinary burden on everyday Austraans
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Speaker 9: and everything we use in our lives is impacted by
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Speaker 9: the cost of electricity and energy.
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Speaker 2: You're from a military man. I want to ask you
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Speaker 2: about Anthony Albanezi and the what he did on the
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Speaker 2: fiftieth anniversary of the Whitland dismissal. I mean he's going
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Speaker 2: to strike a statue, apparently a bronze statue of GoF
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Speaker 2: Whitland that will be put somewhere in Canberra, presumably on
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Speaker 2: the steps of the old Parliament House. He escalated the
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Speaker 2: partisan rhetoric. He unveiled that statue the night before. It
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Speaker 2: was a very sort of nasty speech. I would have
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Speaker 2: thought you quarantine. I know it was the fiftieth anniversary
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Speaker 2: of Whitland being punted, but don't you quarantine remembrance Day
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Speaker 2: and leave it for what it should be, where we
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Speaker 2: have a minute silence to remember everyone who's lost their
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Speaker 2: life in the history of this country.
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Speaker 9: Yes to even I'm afraid it really reminds me of
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Speaker 9: Alberto's infamous comment about just wanting to fight Tories. I mean,
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Speaker 9: when he does stuff like this, the veil comes down
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Speaker 9: and we see a guy who's just so so partisan
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Speaker 9: and he has pretended that he wants to bring Australians
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Speaker 9: together at the end of the day, he wants to
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Speaker 9: prosecute these arguments. Fifty years on, he's maintaining the rage
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Speaker 9: I suppose. I mean, I was twelve at the time,
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Speaker 9: but I remember it vividly. I'm sure you do. They
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Speaker 9: were a dud government. They caused huge inflation, repressures in Australia,
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Speaker 9: wages breakouts. One thing that's been forgotten in all the
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Speaker 9: commentary on this fiftieth anniversary is the KEM Laney loan
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Speaker 9: affair where they sought to borrow money overseas effectively, illegally, unconstitutionally,
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Speaker 9: all the other scandals during their short period of time
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Speaker 9: in office, and then they were comprehensively tossed out by
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Speaker 9: the Australian community.
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Speaker 1: So he can carry on all he.
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Speaker 9: Likes about conspiracies, blah blah blah, the same recycled nonsense.
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Speaker 9: But the Whitlam government was on the nose. They were
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Speaker 9: thrown out. That's what I remember, and that's what actually happened.
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Speaker 9: So that's what we should be saying on the fiftieth anniversary.
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Speaker 9: And but for one I don't believe there was a conspiracy.
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Speaker 9: There was a deadlock. The Governor General of the day,
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Speaker 9: who was personally vilified for years afterwards, made a tough
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Speaker 9: call that had to be made.
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Speaker 10: Well.
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Speaker 2: Whitlam lost thirty seats when they went to an election
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Speaker 2: four weeks after the dismissal. He stayed on his opposition
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Speaker 2: leader and he got beaten again at the next election.
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Speaker 2: So he got was easy to say he was a
20:48
Speaker 2: great prime minister and we should put a statue up
20:51
Speaker 2: to him in camera. Why the hell would you put
20:53
Speaker 2: a statue up to GoF Whitlam in camera when you
20:55
Speaker 2: look at what if you look sensibly and honestly at
20:58
Speaker 2: what he did to the country, if statue give me
21:03
Speaker 2: a break, Steve.
21:06
Speaker 9: This is the difference between the Labor Party and the coalition.
21:09
Speaker 9: The Labor Party are relentless.
21:12
Speaker 5: You.
21:12
Speaker 9: They never admit that they have done the wrong thing.
21:16
Speaker 9: They never admit they've stuffed it up. They never take
21:19
Speaker 9: responsibility for the problems they create. I mean, I'll give
21:23
Speaker 9: you an example right now. Everyone continues to hail Gillard.
21:27
Speaker 9: When they talk about Gillard and the NDIS, they say
21:29
Speaker 9: how fantastica was. The NDIS has delivered by Gillard has
21:34
Speaker 9: been an abject disaster.
21:36
Speaker 1: For this country.
21:37
Speaker 9: It is a huge, huge issue for austral all Australians
21:43
Speaker 9: in terms of being able to pay for a scheme
21:46
Speaker 9: that's just running out of control. But everyone says, get
21:49
Speaker 9: what a great job Gillard did.
21:51
Speaker 11: I was there.
21:51
Speaker 9: I was there at the time as a premier, try
21:54
Speaker 9: to fight against her reckless implementation before the details were
22:01
Speaker 9: sorted out. And we're all paying for it now.
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Speaker 2: Oh ever, it's going to send the country broke. Campbell
22:08
Speaker 2: aaw is good to see you. I'll talk to you
22:09
Speaker 2: next week, Campbell Newman now speaking of labor politicians who
22:12
Speaker 2: don't want to admit they've got something wrong. Victorian Justiner
22:15
Speaker 2: Alan her government, in one of the most cynical backflips
22:18
Speaker 2: in political history, and I'm not exaggerating, has announced not
22:22
Speaker 2: just adult jail time for violent young offenders, but jokingly
22:25
Speaker 2: suggests fifteen year olds could be jailed for life. I
22:29
Speaker 2: mean seriously. Plus, look at what happens when the rubber
22:32
Speaker 2: hits the road. Melbourne's socialist Yarrah Council has dupped its
22:36
Speaker 2: long held support the North Richmond's injecting room. Now at
22:40
Speaker 2: once it moved and what does the premier say? No way,
22:43
Speaker 2: that's up next.
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Speaker 8: Welcome back.
22:47
Speaker 1: Coming up.
22:48
Speaker 2: We'll cross to the UK shortly and we'll get reaction
22:50
Speaker 2: to Donald Trump's billion dollar legal threat to the BBC.
22:54
Speaker 2: I think the BBC have apologized already. Will the President
22:57
Speaker 2: go ahead with that legal action, we'll find out. But
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Speaker 2: now I want to go to an extraordinary policy shift
23:02
Speaker 2: from the Allen Labor government here in Victoria. They're in
23:05
Speaker 2: damage control. Every year, in a bit out from an election,
23:08
Speaker 2: they seek to address the states spiraling crime crisis, which
23:12
Speaker 2: we've talked about over and over and over again on
23:15
Speaker 2: this program. Now, twelve months to the election, they suddenly
23:19
Speaker 2: see the light. Today they introduced what they call new
23:22
Speaker 2: laws to Parliament which will see tough new penalties for
23:24
Speaker 2: retail crime, including up to five years jail for assaulting
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Speaker 2: retail workers and twenty five years for ram rates.
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Speaker 12: Well, I've been we're putting these workers first and making
23:34
Speaker 12: it clear up that any Victorian who thinks that they
23:38
Speaker 12: can threaten or abuse these workers will not only will
23:41
Speaker 12: you be breaking the law, there will be serious consequences
23:44
Speaker 12: and penalties should you do so.
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Speaker 2: Former Victorian homicide Squad detective Charlie Berzina, Now I'm sure
23:51
Speaker 2: he shake his head as much as I am welcome.
23:54
Speaker 2: Let's just deal with the teenage offenders. This earlier announcement
23:59
Speaker 2: earlier the week about anyone over the age of fourteen
24:03
Speaker 2: is going to go straight to the county court, and
24:05
Speaker 2: a media release is put out suggesting violent home invasion
24:09
Speaker 2: could bring a life sentence. Who believes that that is
24:13
Speaker 2: ever going to happen.
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Speaker 13: It won't happen. So look, it's a nonsense for at
24:16
Speaker 13: the very outset. Not only that it's going to bog
24:19
Speaker 13: down because most of our offenders are doing the home
24:21
Speaker 13: aggravated home invasions, aggravator carjackings. The list of the county
24:25
Speaker 13: court is long enough now who might get up with
24:28
Speaker 13: about two years? So now to load them up now
24:31
Speaker 13: adding their life imprisonment? Well, okay, the children's court majus
24:35
Speaker 13: race courts are limited to three years maximum. There is
24:38
Speaker 13: not one child that I believe has ever got the
24:40
Speaker 13: maximum three years at the children's court.
24:43
Speaker 1: So what's going to happen at the county court? Nowhere
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Speaker 1: near it?
24:46
Speaker 13: And maximum sentences No one gets it except for murder.
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Speaker 2: So who comes up with this stuff?
24:53
Speaker 1: Because these people are supposed.
24:55
Speaker 2: To be intelligent legislated right, I mean you don't get
24:59
Speaker 2: light for rape, you don't get life for manslaughter. Correct,
25:03
Speaker 2: seriously telling me that a county court judged Charlie and
25:06
Speaker 2: you've been in the county court plenty of time. Absolutely,
25:08
Speaker 2: it's going to sentence a fifteen year old to life,
25:11
Speaker 2: which means twenty five years in prison. But they won't
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Speaker 2: do that.
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Speaker 1: It won't happen.
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Speaker 13: And I don't reckon there's been any consultation by our
25:18
Speaker 13: Attorney General who runs the courts. Has she sped to
25:21
Speaker 13: the Chief Justice at the Accounting Court? I don't believe
25:24
Speaker 13: she has. And the insulting bit about it is they
25:27
Speaker 13: treat us in the community as idiots. Well, we're not idiots,
25:30
Speaker 13: and we know she's thrown us a bone, and some
25:32
Speaker 13: victims of crime are saying, oh, how great, this is
25:35
Speaker 13: a fantastic Do you think for one minute these offenders
25:37
Speaker 13: are going to worry about that.
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Speaker 1: Not at all. It's business as usual for them.
25:41
Speaker 2: So you know, she stands up that legislation is not
25:45
Speaker 2: even drafted. It's talking about having it in between now
25:48
Speaker 2: and the end of the years. I think there's three
25:51
Speaker 2: maybe three weeks left of Parliament now on the end
25:53
Speaker 2: of the year, might even not be three weeks. Well
25:55
Speaker 2: that's not going to happen.
25:56
Speaker 13: And that's why Brad Batten says, you've come out with this,
25:58
Speaker 13: but no policy of saying how going to work. We're
26:00
Speaker 13: the logistics of it and it's a partnership. I keep saying,
26:04
Speaker 13: it's a partnership Victoria Police, the government and the judiciary.
26:08
Speaker 1: Then they've got to get together.
26:09
Speaker 13: And it takes a lot more than just coming out
26:11
Speaker 13: with this announcement throw away words and don't forget she
26:15
Speaker 13: was the orchestrator along with Daniel Andrews for the Commonwealth
26:18
Speaker 13: Games and that's the promises they gave us and we know.
26:20
Speaker 2: There is She also set around a cabinet table where
26:22
Speaker 2: they softened the bail correct because of an incident involving
26:26
Speaker 2: an Indigenous woman I arrested off a train who then
26:29
Speaker 2: sadly passed away in custody. They said, okay, let's have
26:32
Speaker 2: a look at this issue of indigenous arrest and let's
26:35
Speaker 2: change it. Let's make sure that these kids don't don't
26:38
Speaker 2: get put in police self. Now suddenly you've got all
26:42
Speaker 2: the other way.
26:43
Speaker 13: Correct and we're still trying to get Jack's law down here.
26:46
Speaker 13: Give the police the powers to do it. Let's not
26:48
Speaker 13: be reactive, Let's be proactive. It's like with the masks. Oh, well,
26:52
Speaker 13: you can tell them to take their masks off once
26:55
Speaker 13: they commit a crime. We're about to commit a crime,
26:57
Speaker 13: Well we want to stop that. We're not reactive. We've
26:59
Speaker 13: got to be proactive.
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Speaker 2: And so she comes out again with a second announcement
27:02
Speaker 2: this week. So you can see this is all political sources.
27:05
Speaker 2: So we have the worst incidents of retail crime where
27:11
Speaker 2: people are just ram rating into stores, walking into shops,
27:15
Speaker 2: filling bags up with alcohol or with clothes or whatever,
27:18
Speaker 2: and walking out, threatening people who work in these retail shops.
27:22
Speaker 2: The union says that they fear for their lives. They've
27:25
Speaker 2: been talking about this for eighteen months, correct, And now
27:27
Speaker 2: she says it's going to come in immediately.
27:29
Speaker 1: But there won't change of things. And we know that.
27:32
Speaker 13: And I keep saying it's really up to the landlords
27:35
Speaker 13: the business owners to put any security guards because the
27:39
Speaker 13: police they're not going to get there. By the time
27:41
Speaker 13: they get they're long gone. So they're going to start
27:43
Speaker 13: the investigation. We don't have the resources.
27:46
Speaker 2: And you know, the county court judges, as you said,
27:50
Speaker 2: have a long, long, long list as anyone as the
27:53
Speaker 2: Attorney General or just Cinder Allen sat down with the
27:57
Speaker 2: Chief Judge of the County Court and talked about this.
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Speaker 1: I don't believe they've thrown it out.
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Speaker 13: And I can just see up up at Williams Street
28:03
Speaker 13: here the Justice area, they'll be just saying the w
28:06
Speaker 13: twof what's this all about?
28:08
Speaker 1: And no one's spoken to us.
28:09
Speaker 8: You know what.
28:09
Speaker 13: They'll do their own thing anyway, and that they're bound
28:12
Speaker 13: by president, they're bound by other cases. They're not going
28:15
Speaker 13: to come out and say that sure the legislations there
28:18
Speaker 13: it's up to and these are the maximum sentences. No
28:20
Speaker 13: one gets the maximum sentences at all, and that's the
28:23
Speaker 13: whole problem.
28:24
Speaker 2: The Premier also threw into that conversation that these teenage
28:28
Speaker 2: offenders would now face a jewry.
28:32
Speaker 13: Yeah that's really well again, it's going to bog the
28:35
Speaker 13: system down just completely. Either why not increase And they
28:40
Speaker 13: weren't getting that heavy a penalty at the Children's Court.
28:43
Speaker 13: And I know Jack Vandersteen, the president of the Children's Court,
28:45
Speaker 13: is as frustrated as anybody else. And then you look
28:48
Speaker 13: at what was happening at the Parkville Detention Center when
28:52
Speaker 13: these use the alleged killers of these two African boys
28:56
Speaker 13: out at Melton. They said we're not going in. So
29:00
Speaker 13: you've got the lunatics running the asylum.
29:03
Speaker 2: You've got a left leaning council that looks after the
29:05
Speaker 2: area where the Richmond Safe and Heroin Injecting Facility is
29:09
Speaker 2: supposed to be. Some idiot decided that a good place
29:13
Speaker 2: to put it would be next to a school, which
29:15
Speaker 2: it just beggers belief. So this left leaning council says,
29:18
Speaker 2: we want this thing out of here. It's destroyed our community.
29:23
Speaker 1: Cinder says no, and she.
29:26
Speaker 13: Prefaces that by saying it saved a lot of lives.
29:29
Speaker 1: Why are they.
29:29
Speaker 13: Attacking the drug issue at that level? They can attack
29:33
Speaker 13: the drug level.
29:34
Speaker 1: What we speaking about.
29:35
Speaker 13: Commercial drug trafficking carries life imprisonment, mandate life imprisonment.
29:40
Speaker 1: Let's cut the head of the snake.
29:41
Speaker 13: Off, stop the influx of the drugs, and they're going
29:43
Speaker 13: to start saving lives at the bottom.
29:44
Speaker 1: But what are they doing.
29:45
Speaker 13: They're attacking the problem at basement level. Well, that's where
29:48
Speaker 13: it shouldn't be. But again, putting a facility in there,
29:52
Speaker 13: and the council put up for a while. We now
29:54
Speaker 13: they're left wing, but let's put it in Bendigo. Let's
29:58
Speaker 13: go there, Let's put one up there for the country.
30:00
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that him is going to like that.
30:02
Speaker 2: I want just go back to the issue of youth crime.
30:04
Speaker 2: I mean Ash Gordon, promising young doctor murdered outside his
30:07
Speaker 2: home in Robin. His sister Natalie has said quote, even
30:10
Speaker 2: if she does deliver on the new laws, I still
30:13
Speaker 2: think she should stand down because she's done a terrible
30:15
Speaker 2: job up until now. Cinder Allen should resign if crime
30:19
Speaker 2: doesn't fall, as David Chrisofuley in Queensland said he would
30:23
Speaker 2: do Charlie Bazina with your experience. If the crime numbers
30:27
Speaker 2: don't come down, should she quit?
30:28
Speaker 13: Absolutely, it's be sowing the door. But we know, and
30:31
Speaker 13: she knows, this is her last hurrah.
30:33
Speaker 1: We never voted her in.
30:34
Speaker 13: She got to buy default and we're stuck with her.
30:37
Speaker 13: And she's got the same scars and delivering the same
30:39
Speaker 13: scars as Daniel Andrews. We're stuck with her. But she
30:42
Speaker 13: knows she's not going to go because she's arrogant and
30:45
Speaker 13: she won't be told. It's either just in his way
30:47
Speaker 13: or the highway, and that's what we're stuck with.
30:49
Speaker 2: Great to see you again, Charlie, thanks very much for
30:51
Speaker 2: coming and Charlie Bazina there as usual, talk in common sense.
30:54
Speaker 2: Now coming up after the break, I'll take you to
30:56
Speaker 2: the UK for the latest on that fall out from
30:58
Speaker 2: the BBC, which is offered President Trump an apology over
31:02
Speaker 2: that editing controversy, as they should have. Plus Kyir Starmer
31:06
Speaker 2: is feeling the heat. But if his days are numbered,
31:09
Speaker 2: who's the person tip to replace him? That's up next.
31:16
Speaker 2: Talk about coming up news of the week, of course
31:18
Speaker 2: with our Friday night panel. It was a favorite for
31:20
Speaker 2: us on a Friday night. But first the BBC's issued
31:22
Speaker 2: an apology to US President Donald Trump and has launched
31:26
Speaker 2: a search for a new director general after admitting that
31:30
Speaker 2: it did misedit his January sixth, twenty twenty one speech. However,
31:34
Speaker 2: the broadcaster has rejected the US President's demand for compensation.
31:38
Speaker 2: Good luck with that. Scott On his contributor joined us
31:41
Speaker 2: on a regular basis. Adrian Hayes is with us back
31:43
Speaker 2: in the UK. Adrian, good to see you again. You
31:47
Speaker 2: wonder why it's taken so long for this doctored audio
31:51
Speaker 2: disgrace to actually be revealed. I can't work out why
31:53
Speaker 2: it took so long for anyone to work it out.
31:56
Speaker 11: Yeah, good evening, Steve until your viewers.
31:58
Speaker 14: Yes, it's another quiet week in the UK, no crises,
32:01
Speaker 14: no problems at all.
32:04
Speaker 11: Yeah, it hasn't been revered.
32:06
Speaker 14: It actually gets worth the BBC because last night it
32:09
Speaker 14: was revealed at Question Time the BBC's flagship Current Affairs
32:13
Speaker 14: program also dopted a speech by Trump and the same
32:17
Speaker 14: speech basically, and it was picked up on air by
32:20
Speaker 14: his ex.
32:20
Speaker 11: Chief of staff, but it was all ignored.
32:22
Speaker 14: Look, it's been taken so long because the BBC are
32:26
Speaker 14: in denial and this is the problem. They have been
32:28
Speaker 14: captured by this ideological progressive I think it's hard left,
32:33
Speaker 14: but whatever you determine, ideology comes before the facts and
32:37
Speaker 14: the truth. And they they see themselves as moral guardians
32:41
Speaker 14: of the news that we read.
32:43
Speaker 11: They think that we will tell you what we need.
32:46
Speaker 14: And the denial has been absolutely astonishing over the last
32:49
Speaker 14: week from senior BBC reporters.
32:52
Speaker 11: But it's not just about Trump.
32:54
Speaker 14: I just think, you know, Trump has got the headlines,
32:56
Speaker 14: but it's about they preach this propaganda of net zero,
33:00
Speaker 14: of open borders, of the human rights world, of transgender
33:04
Speaker 14: ideology and all this sort of things, and this is
33:07
Speaker 14: where the BBC has lost credibility with its viewers.
33:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wanted to ask you about that because I
33:13
Speaker 2: mean you've lost the director General, the head of News
33:16
Speaker 2: obviously two big scalps. But like Air ABC Adrian in Australia,
33:22
Speaker 2: the culture exists in there. It's a culture that has
33:26
Speaker 2: to be changed and no one seems to be able
33:29
Speaker 2: to do it. And it's the it's the people on
33:34
Speaker 2: the ground or the vast majority of the staff they
33:37
Speaker 2: run the joint.
33:39
Speaker 11: You're dead right.
33:41
Speaker 14: Tim Davie, the outgoing Director General, was actually caught on
33:43
Speaker 14: a video leaked video to his staff two years ago
33:47
Speaker 14: saying to the more you can be proud that the
33:49
Speaker 14: BBC is progressive now you know.
33:53
Speaker 11: That sort of says it all.
33:54
Speaker 14: Because they recruit from a very narrow range of society.
33:57
Speaker 14: There is this group thin throughout the whole organization. Former
34:01
Speaker 14: BBC staff have come out and said, look, they have
34:04
Speaker 14: to keep low. They couldn't speak out because this prevailing
34:07
Speaker 14: orthodoxy that they preach and speach and said it's it's
34:11
Speaker 14: you step against that and you're either you're out or
34:14
Speaker 14: your cancel or do just silence. It needs a root
34:17
Speaker 14: branch and reform of its whole institution needs a new
34:20
Speaker 14: director general. But I would say Steve, and I think
34:23
Speaker 14: you'll appreciate this. With Australia, it's just it's just this
34:27
Speaker 14: ideological capture of BBC.
34:29
Speaker 11: Just one of the institutions.
34:31
Speaker 14: It's with our National Health Service, our civil service, our judiciary,
34:35
Speaker 14: our education, our police forces. We are with the heads
34:39
Speaker 14: of all these organizations are sort of spouting from this
34:42
Speaker 14: progressive ideology at the expense of pure common sense truth,
34:47
Speaker 14: facts and what the people want to see.
34:50
Speaker 2: On that broader question, Oaran, can I just ask you know,
34:53
Speaker 2: obviously mess illegal migration in the United States has laid
34:57
Speaker 2: there to you know, many of the big cities New York,
34:59
Speaker 2: said Fazisco, Seattle and the like, they're all now in
35:03
Speaker 2: big trouble. La saying you can add that has anything
35:06
Speaker 2: like that actually happened in the UK in your own country.
35:11
Speaker 8: Well, well it is.
35:12
Speaker 14: Look, crime is out of control now, of course is
35:15
Speaker 14: not to be blamed entirely on illegal immigrants, but there's
35:19
Speaker 14: a significant number and all the starts are showing it
35:22
Speaker 14: that the rapes, the sexual crimes, knife crime is out
35:26
Speaker 14: of control. London is called by a lot of people's
35:28
Speaker 14: stab city and of course it's very progressive woke mayors.
35:32
Speaker 11: That he can refuses to even ignolge it.
35:34
Speaker 14: He's more concerned with preaching climate change and net zero
35:38
Speaker 14: than sorting out the crime on our street. So we
35:41
Speaker 14: have got a problem in this country from illegal immigration
35:46
Speaker 14: and also cause legal immigration. And of course I will
35:48
Speaker 14: stress there's nothing wrong with immigration, but it has to
35:50
Speaker 14: be a sustainable level that a country can absorb whatever
35:54
Speaker 14: it is, whether it's Australia or UK, US or anywhere
35:57
Speaker 14: around the world.
35:59
Speaker 2: How much trouble is he is stammering. He seems to
36:01
Speaker 2: be at war with his own party. I mean, is
36:04
Speaker 2: his leadership pretty wobbly.
36:08
Speaker 11: He has been in trouble since he started.
36:10
Speaker 14: I mean, it's incredible, it's only sixteen months since the
36:13
Speaker 14: Labor government came to power. And if your viewers don't know,
36:18
Speaker 14: there's been rumors of leadership challenges all week. The Number
36:21
Speaker 14: ten Press Office sort denounce those plotting against Starmer. And
36:25
Speaker 14: of course when a leader says that I have complete
36:27
Speaker 14: faith in my health secretary, in my home secretary, you
36:30
Speaker 14: know that they could be out on the next flight home.
36:34
Speaker 14: But the problem he's got is this Labor front bench.
36:37
Speaker 14: There's not one person on that front bench who's actually
36:41
Speaker 14: held a proper job or run a business. And I
36:43
Speaker 14: did a TED talk on leadership the other week and
36:45
Speaker 14: I said, we face a real problem in the political world,
36:48
Speaker 14: but also across companies, across institutions. We have the weakest
36:51
Speaker 14: leadership I believe we have had for a generation, so
36:55
Speaker 14: in all sectors of companies and organizations and pretty much
36:58
Speaker 14: across the Western world.
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Speaker 8: My humble view.
37:02
Speaker 2: Well, Adriena, when it's funny you say that, I mean
37:05
Speaker 2: the front bench of the Australian Labor Party in Canberra,
37:08
Speaker 2: the front bench of the Victorian Labor government in Victoria,
37:12
Speaker 2: none of them have ever had a proper job. They've
37:15
Speaker 2: all gone from university to working as an advisor in
37:19
Speaker 2: a politician's office, to a chief of staff's job, to
37:23
Speaker 2: getting elected. I mean they wouldn't know what, you know,
37:27
Speaker 2: company tax was, or what payroll tax was, or how
37:30
Speaker 2: to recruit staff. They've got no idea.
37:34
Speaker 11: Yeah, and this is where the common thing.
37:36
Speaker 14: I'm sure it's the same in Australia as a UK
37:38
Speaker 14: that politicians they've never been less trusted, less respected in
37:43
Speaker 14: since I've been, since I was a young kid. But
37:45
Speaker 14: they're out of touch with what the working man and
37:48
Speaker 14: woman on the street feels and thinks. That is the
37:51
Speaker 14: biggest tag given to politicians these days. Completely out of touch.
37:57
Speaker 2: It's a worldwide problem. Adrian, really, good to see you again,
37:59
Speaker 2: my friend, Thank you very much, or talk to you shortly.
38:02
Speaker 2: That's the UK, same situation as he now. After the break,
38:05
Speaker 2: I want to reflect on the passing of John Laws.
38:08
Speaker 2: He was and was a giant of Australian radio. I
38:11
Speaker 2: worked with him many times. He's an old colleague of mine.
38:14
Speaker 2: Sometimes good relationship between the two of us, sometimes not
38:18
Speaker 2: so good. Plus the documentary now in theaters. Can you
38:21
Speaker 2: believe this on former New Zealand Prime Minister Sinda Dern
38:25
Speaker 2: I couldn't think of anything worse. Our Friday panel up next,
38:32
Speaker 2: Welcome back, Let's dive into some of the biggest stories
38:34
Speaker 2: of the Whig research. Fellow Institute of Public Affairs Me
38:37
Speaker 2: Schlick joins us and scott News contributor Joe Hildebrand is
38:40
Speaker 2: with us each Friday. Welcome to you both. I mean,
38:43
Speaker 2: I want to talk about my relationship with John Laws.
38:46
Speaker 2: It's pretty well publicized if you google Steve Price and
38:50
Speaker 2: John Laws is good, there's bad, but I want you
38:52
Speaker 2: to have a look, particularly you Joe, at this picture
38:55
Speaker 2: September two thousand and three. I've just been relieved that
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Speaker 2: kind word sacked from two you E Breakfast in Sydney hosting.
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Speaker 2: I was at a Anthony Mundine fight, sitting ring side,
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Speaker 2: thinking I was the only person in Sydney who knew
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Speaker 2: that I'd actually been moved on from the other side
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Speaker 2: of the ring. Presumably I was in the cheap seats.
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Speaker 2: Emerges John Laws to give me a hug and offer
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Speaker 2: his condolences. I still don't know, and I'll now never
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Speaker 2: know his role in having me moved on, but I
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Speaker 2: suspect he probably did have some role in the kindest
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Speaker 2: possible way. He was a giant and a legend, wasn't
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Speaker 2: he joke?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, he really was, and he was part of a
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Speaker 5: generation I don't think we'll see again. Rest assured, my friend.
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Speaker 5: I've also been relieved of many positions in the media,
39:41
Speaker 5: and I'm always grateful for any hug I get at
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Speaker 5: the end of it. But I think Lawsy is part
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Speaker 5: of that sort of era where there were true titans
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Speaker 5: in both media and politics. I've been mourning the loss
39:53
Speaker 5: of Graham Richardson, who is my lunch companion in recent years.
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Speaker 5: I think they both had something in common in the
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Speaker 5: sense that they were both larger than life. They were
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Speaker 5: both enormous figures, and they are both huge. That was
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Speaker 5: my eight year old daughter incidentally, both sort of huge
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Speaker 5: figures who controlled the world around them. They made people
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Speaker 5: come to them, and they drove events as much as
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Speaker 5: they reported on them.
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Speaker 2: One of his great talents is here a great listener.
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Speaker 2: I mean, too many people who work in the media
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Speaker 2: hosting shows, particularly on radio, and I won't name them,
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Speaker 2: but there's a lot of talk about presenters who don't
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Speaker 2: actually listen to what the answers are to their questions
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Speaker 2: and don't listen to their audience. Me, you're far too
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Speaker 2: young to even know who John Laws probably was. But
40:44
Speaker 2: back in the eighties and nineties, this man was the
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Speaker 2: biggest media personality in the country. But interestingly, I never
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Speaker 2: knew me. And this is you probably should feel like this.
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Speaker 2: I guess I never really knew me what his politics were.
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Speaker 2: I had no clue.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, Lookasteve, you're all right there.
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Speaker 10: This was slightly before my time, so I didn't have
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Speaker 10: the pleasure of hearing some of his commentary back in
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Speaker 10: the day. But look, in the wake of his death,
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Speaker 10: you can really tell the character of someone when you've
41:14
Speaker 10: got people on both sides of politics and all across
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Speaker 10: the media who were just sending out accolades and speaking
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Speaker 10: on what a great man he was. And the things
41:21
Speaker 10: that really encouraged me was that he does seem really
41:23
Speaker 10: good at engaging contests of ideas, and that's something that
41:27
Speaker 10: we're missing at the moment. I think, I don't think
41:29
Speaker 10: we have enough people in the media who are engaging
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Speaker 10: in that kind of contest and bringing people on from
41:34
Speaker 10: all sides of the debate and having those conversations. So
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Speaker 10: I wish we could bring some of that back.
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Speaker 2: The great thing about him Joe too, is that he
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Speaker 2: never described himself as anything but an entertainer. I mean, Lawsy,
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Speaker 2: you know, he was on television hosting music shows. He
41:49
Speaker 2: was singing on television. I mean, he never pretended to
41:52
Speaker 2: be a.
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Speaker 1: Journalist or a reporter.
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Speaker 2: He was just John Laws And at nine o'clock Australia
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Speaker 2: Nisians standard time every day oncome Zel Presidente. And what
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Speaker 2: does John law say, doesn't say, you know, hello Sidney,
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Speaker 2: welcome to Wednesday morning, he goes, hello world, world.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, that's exactly right. And he was the sort of
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Speaker 8: master of the universe.
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Speaker 5: And yes, describing himself as an entertainer came in very
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Speaker 5: handy when, of.
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Speaker 8: Course, he was embroiled in the cash for Comments scandal, and.
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Speaker 5: He argued, I think, probably rightly, that the journalistic code
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Speaker 5: of ethics didn't apply to him simply because he wasn't
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Speaker 5: a journalist.
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Speaker 8: But he was one of those figures.
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Speaker 5: I think he actually had a soft small I know,
42:31
Speaker 5: in fact, he had a soft spot for the Labor
42:32
Speaker 5: Party simply because he thought they were more fun, that
42:35
Speaker 5: they were more colorful, they were more interesting.
42:38
Speaker 8: Again, it's a view that Richel has.
42:39
Speaker 5: Always held himself and also contributed a huge amount of
42:44
Speaker 5: that color too, And I think that sums him up.
42:48
Speaker 5: The fact that he wasn't ideological light saying Alan Jones was.
42:51
Speaker 5: He was someone who simply went with what was the
42:54
Speaker 5: most kind of blockbuster, you know, jaw droppingly stataggering kind
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Speaker 5: of information or event or news, or the sharpest angle
43:05
Speaker 5: he could put on a story or an issue, rather
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Speaker 5: than any particular political ban.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, that's very well, said me.
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Speaker 2: We finally yesterday got the position from the Liberals on
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Speaker 2: net zero. Where do you think they go from here?
43:19
Speaker 2: I mean, yes, they've dumped net zero, they're still signed
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Speaker 2: up to the Paris Agreement. I can't see this playing
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Speaker 2: out particularly well in the long term for Susan Lee.
43:29
Speaker 2: Chris Bowen was out there today. He's accusing the Liberals
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Speaker 2: of being dinosaurs.
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Speaker 7: Surprise surprise here is if the Liberal Party, as you accept,
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Speaker 7: are the ones making argument that somehow renewals aren't the
43:41
Speaker 7: cheapest form of energy, then they fly in the face
43:43
Speaker 7: of every bit of economic evidence. They want to show
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Speaker 7: continue their dinosaurs, who rejectence, who reject economics.
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Speaker 2: We see a Chris Bowen, the more likely the Coalition
43:53
Speaker 2: is going to claw their way back at the next election.
43:55
Speaker 2: He was hidden during the last campaign. So what do
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Speaker 2: you make of the week? I mean, we're going to
44:01
Speaker 2: get a joint coalition policy on climate on Sunday. Has
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Speaker 2: Susan Lee done the right thing? Will she survive?
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Speaker 8: Oh?
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Speaker 10: Yes, I think Susan Lee has done the right thing.
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Speaker 10: I think dumping that zero was a long time coming.
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Speaker 10: Many Australians have been waiting for the Coalition to make
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Speaker 10: the leap here, so that finally, finally, we can have
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Speaker 10: a contest of ideas. However, this is just the beginning.
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Speaker 10: There is a long long way to go, because you
44:27
Speaker 10: cannot have a contest if you do not have clarity
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Speaker 10: of conviction. And this is where my concern is with
44:32
Speaker 10: the Liberal Party. The Liberal Party will not be able
44:35
Speaker 10: to follow through with this conviction if they do not
44:38
Speaker 10: know why it is that they are proceeding with this argument,
44:41
Speaker 10: if they don't know what their values are. And I'm
44:43
Speaker 10: not sure the Liberal Party has done the work yet
44:46
Speaker 10: to actually understand from a values perspective why it is
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Speaker 10: they're dumping that zero. And that's why we're kind of
44:51
Speaker 10: seeing this mess bubble to the surface, where we're saying
44:54
Speaker 10: we're still involved with in Paris, we're still committed to Paris,
44:58
Speaker 10: we're still committed to reducing emissions, yet we're not committed
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Speaker 10: to net zero. We're gonna dump that. So it's an
45:04
Speaker 10: awfully confusing message that's coming out. And I'm not sure
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Speaker 10: that unless they get this message really, really clear and
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Speaker 10: they stand behind their convictions, that they'll actually be able
45:13
Speaker 10: to carry this argument to the end.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they need to get on with it in a hurry, Joe,
45:18
Speaker 2: I mean, save me there's a cinematic release, apparently of
45:21
Speaker 2: a documentary, so you go along with the movie theater
45:23
Speaker 2: to watch this detailing the rise of New Zealand Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister Jacinda Adern. The trailer is pretty slick from HBO.
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Speaker 2: Have a look at that.
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Speaker 15: You can be anxious, sensitive, kind, you can be a mother,
45:38
Speaker 15: a nude, a crier, you can be all of these things,
45:44
Speaker 15: and you can lead just like me, who's.
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Speaker 2: Going to buy a ticket to go and see that.
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Speaker 8: It's all the fields, isn't it. This is the thing.
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Speaker 5: I've only seen the full trailer, but it doesn't seem
45:55
Speaker 5: to point to any particular great policy achievements. And obviously
46:00
Speaker 5: the New Zealand lockdown was only comparable to the one
46:03
Speaker 5: that happened in Victoria, and we both know how that
46:07
Speaker 5: turned out.
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Speaker 8: I think the public is probably.
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Speaker 5: Apart from the people who this is obviously intended to
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Speaker 5: appeal to, which I suspect is sort of upper middle
46:15
Speaker 5: class progressives. I think people are a little bit sick
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Speaker 5: of politicians sort of emoting about things and not actually
46:24
Speaker 5: getting things done.
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Speaker 8: Jasina ar Duran was elected on the back of a.
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Speaker 5: Very ambitious housing target that I don't believe was met.
46:33
Speaker 5: There's some rancer among the farming community in New Zealand,
46:36
Speaker 5: and the fact that there's now a Conservative National government
46:39
Speaker 5: in New Zealand rather than a labor government, I think
46:42
Speaker 5: perhaps tells you more about her legacy than an HBO
46:45
Speaker 5: documentary can Mia.
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Speaker 2: I can put my hand up and say I've never
46:49
Speaker 2: ever used one of those food delivery businesses to arrive
46:54
Speaker 2: at my place with a squash pizza in the back
46:56
Speaker 2: of a box on the back of a bike, and
46:58
Speaker 2: I never will. It was surprised this week to see
47:02
Speaker 2: menu Log, which famously, of course used very famous people
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Speaker 2: like Katie Perry to advertise their wares.
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Speaker 8: How does that collapse?
47:12
Speaker 2: What does that say about the economy of menu Log
47:15
Speaker 2: with all those thousands of bike riders round Australia falls over?
47:20
Speaker 2: How can that happen?
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Speaker 10: Well, it just shows quite frankly that Australia is a
47:25
Speaker 10: very difficult place to do business in. And that's because
47:29
Speaker 10: our prosperity in our productivity is being strangled by record
47:33
Speaker 10: amounts of red tape. And this is just one example
47:36
Speaker 10: of a very prominent business going under. But the unfortunate
47:39
Speaker 10: reality is is that hundreds of thousands of businesses go
47:42
Speaker 10: under in Australia each year. I mean in twenty twenty
47:45
Speaker 10: four alone, I think it was just over three hundred
47:48
Speaker 10: and seventy thousand businesses that went under, and in fact,
47:51
Speaker 10: for every one hundred businesses that started, eighty eight closed down.
47:56
Speaker 10: And at the end of the day, this is a
47:57
Speaker 10: real loss for Australians because if we have fewer businesses,
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Speaker 10: we have less choice, which means less competition and then
48:04
Speaker 10: higher prices. So that's how it hurts at the end
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Speaker 10: of the day. And I really hope that we have
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Speaker 10: a government soon that starts taking red tape.
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Speaker 2: Seriously, you wonder, Joe, what it says about using snoop
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Speaker 2: dog Well.
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Speaker 5: The snoop dogg ads were the favorite part of menulogue
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Speaker 5: for me, but I didn't actually use them that much.
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Speaker 5: And I think this is really a story of the
48:23
Speaker 5: sort of boombust online economy where you have these companies
48:27
Speaker 5: that are basically online platforms that then rely on incredibly.
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Speaker 2: Plus they're treating their staff, treating their staff like slaves.
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Speaker 2: That's the other problem with that whole thing. Joe, meare
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Speaker 2: always a great pleasure to catch up with you. Thank
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Speaker 2: you very much. The world according to our own Deans
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Speaker 2: up next I'll see your next Friday.