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Military Mom Donna Santucci Fights False Allegations | Fireside Chat 256 · Honey Badger Radio

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Speaker 1: Let's begin in.
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Speaker 2: Thanks so much Brian for having me. I really appreciated well.
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Speaker 2: Our organization is called Free Hour Warriors. And this was
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Speaker 2: actually Anthony with his idea for us to get this
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Speaker 2: moment because after he refused and convicted that Fort Leavenworth,
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Speaker 2: he started seeing a lot of people with similar stories.
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Speaker 2: It's his now, there are obviously plenty of people in
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Speaker 2: there that should be When you start hearing the same
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Speaker 2: story over a moment, you kind of get okay, something's
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Speaker 2: not right here. And so his goal for us to
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Speaker 2: get this started was to bring awareness to what's going
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Speaker 2: on and try to get make some kind of names
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Speaker 2: to the UCMJ, which is the Uniformed Military Code of Justice.
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Speaker 2: I think we could change that and bring those skills
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Speaker 2: back into balance so that everything's not more excited.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and tell me what the story of your son is.
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Speaker 1: Can you talk a little bit about that? Yeah?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So he was nineteen he went into the army.
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Speaker 2: His all of his life he wanted to be in
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Speaker 2: the army and he was wanted to be near more
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Speaker 2: an infantry, so he did that. He graduated from dump
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Speaker 2: School Ransford in His station was in Footba, Indiana. So
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Speaker 2: when he was twenty one. He had just turned twenty
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Speaker 2: one a couple months before. Him and his buddies went
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Speaker 2: to a bar. That's what everybody does on a Saturday
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Speaker 2: night by a base where or So he was at
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Speaker 2: the bar and this woman he was twenty one, she
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Speaker 2: was twenty seven. Shes to met the bar, sat next
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Speaker 2: to him and talked to him. They had drinks together,
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Speaker 2: They were seen dirty dancing, They were making them out.
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Speaker 2: At one point she asked him to go back to
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Speaker 2: his place and play. So they drove her car back
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Speaker 2: to his barracks. They went into his barracks. They had
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Speaker 2: consensual sex. At one point she said she didn't want
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Speaker 2: him to see her top on. A six month old
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Speaker 2: at home, plus three other children and a husband.
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Speaker 3: So wait, wait, wait, wait wait, So this woman was
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Speaker 3: married and had children?
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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, four kids?
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Speaker 1: Did and did he know this? When well, she told.
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Speaker 2: Him that she was married, but she was getting a divorce.
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Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, yeah.
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Speaker 2: So they so they went they had you know, consensual sex,
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Speaker 2: uh and then when you know, when they were done,
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Speaker 2: she uh. He asked her for her phone number because
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Speaker 2: he wanted to call her again, and she said she
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Speaker 2: couldn't give it. She shared that phone with her husband,
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Speaker 2: so they kissed goodbye. She out to her car, gotten
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Speaker 2: her car throve after she got home. And I've always
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Speaker 2: been kind of confused why she said it was a
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Speaker 2: special assault. But I think, I in the back of
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Speaker 2: my mind, this is what I've always thought. Get some
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Speaker 2: what I call back in my day hickeys, sucker bites
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Speaker 2: out and what people call. So so she had I mean,
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Speaker 2: what's she going to tell a husband she's going home?
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Speaker 2: What's her husband going to say? And she had told
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Speaker 2: the husband was going out for a candy bar. He
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Speaker 2: didn't come home till four o'clock in the morning, So
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Speaker 2: what's she going to say? What is that going to work? Yeah,
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Speaker 2: she called the you know, she called nine one one
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Speaker 2: that she won in the morning after pill. She couldn't
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Speaker 2: have another baby. So eventually it got around to her saying, Okay,
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Speaker 2: yes I was sexually assaulted. You're not going to come
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Speaker 2: and take you to the hear for a morning after pill,
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Speaker 2: and I says to be going on. So they took
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Speaker 2: her in. She says she didn't remember what bar she
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Speaker 2: was at, didn't remember the guy, so she allowed an
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Speaker 2: entire rape kit. Now I'm a nurse and then a
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Speaker 2: nurse for a member of her I know what the rape.
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Speaker 2: She allowed everything for the grape kids, damn pictures. An
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Speaker 2: STD swab specifically did not allow a DNA swab. Never
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Speaker 2: figure that out. And in the back of my mind,
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Speaker 2: I'm thinking, she doesn't want to say it was Anthony.
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Speaker 2: So if she says I don't know who it was,
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Speaker 2: it would just go away, you know, that would be
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Speaker 2: the end of it. But JARMI CID, which is the
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Speaker 2: investigators set up with a vengeance. They went to the
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Speaker 2: two bars near the the base, and they went through
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Speaker 2: all of the bars, facebook all kinds of stuff, and
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Speaker 2: they found pictures of them together dancing. She was dancing
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Speaker 2: on a pole in front of them. They were sitting
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Speaker 2: together like a couple, and that's how they found Anthony. Well,
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Speaker 2: then what's she going to say? Now? I think the
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Speaker 2: ball got out of her control and then it just happened.
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Speaker 2: Not that that doesn't make it right, because it doesn't.
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Speaker 2: She's still an evil person for allowing this to happen.
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Speaker 2: To go to prison.
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Speaker 3: So let's let's back up for just a little bit,
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Speaker 3: because I want to go through the steps again of
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Speaker 3: everything to happen. And also your microphone seems to like sometimes,
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Speaker 3: you know, your voice drops a little bit. I don't
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Speaker 3: know if it's because maybe you're not quite.
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Speaker 1: Close enough to it.
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Speaker 3: It feels like you're you know, maybe just because you know,
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Speaker 3: we want to make sure we hear everything clearly. But
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Speaker 3: I got most of it. But that's what Okay, So
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Speaker 3: we're going to replay it. Just I'm going to tell
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Speaker 3: you what I what I remember, okay. So, okay, your
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Speaker 3: son joins the military at nineteen, becomes an army ranger
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Speaker 3: or he's like, you know.
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Speaker 2: We're airborne infantry. I mean he was a paratrooper, a paratrooper, okay.
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Speaker 1: So yeah. So and he's at a I guess you
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Speaker 1: could say.
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Speaker 3: Like on you know, like on on a military base
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Speaker 3: or somewhere, and there's like bars nearby, yes, And he
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Speaker 3: meets a girl at one of these bars, and this
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Speaker 3: girl and him they hit it off. He tells him,
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Speaker 3: you know, I'm married, but I'm getting a divorce like
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Speaker 3: at some point during the night, and he's like, okay,
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Speaker 3: this sounds good, right, And they go back to his
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Speaker 3: place in her car, so his barracks, right, and all
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Speaker 3: of this is sort of like, I don't know, is
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Speaker 3: this like allowed, like do the do the barracks people?
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Speaker 1: Do they allow guests? Okay, I figured as much, but
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Speaker 1: I thought I would just ask.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they they have sex completely consensual.
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Speaker 1: Do you know if they were drinking or.
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Speaker 2: If that's like a yes, they were both drinking. And
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Speaker 2: that was one of the things that she had said
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Speaker 2: because she they drove her car, and she said they
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Speaker 2: asked her during the trial, well why did you drive
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Speaker 2: your car? And she said, well, because me and my
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Speaker 2: husband when we go out, we always are the designated
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Speaker 2: drivers other service members who might have drank too much.
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Speaker 2: Now here, she's drinking, he's drinking. How much sense does
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Speaker 2: that make you'nation? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: So yeah, okay and so but he so did she
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Speaker 1: drive to his place? Was she the one driving? Okay?
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Speaker 3: And they had both been drinking all right, and they
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Speaker 3: had consentsual sex. And she said something about not wanting
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Speaker 3: to get pregnant before they had sex, like I don't
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Speaker 3: want to get pregnant or this was at them, but
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Speaker 3: she didn't want to show she had like C section
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Speaker 3: scars or something.
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Speaker 1: So how does that play? Is that just hurt?
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Speaker 3: Like feeling self conscious? Like, oh I don't want to
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Speaker 3: see me completely naked or.
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Speaker 2: Right, because she just had it was only six months
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Speaker 2: since she had her last baby, so she had a
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Speaker 2: fresh scar, you know. And so if you're being raped,
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Speaker 2: are you going to say, wait, I don't want to
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Speaker 2: take off mine?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, right, right, right? And so.
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Speaker 3: After that, did she go home, like right after the
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Speaker 3: deed was done or did she spend the night there?
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Speaker 2: Well, it was four o'clock. I think it was about
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Speaker 2: four o'clock in the morning, and then you know, she
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Speaker 2: they kissed goodbye and he left, walked out to her car,
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Speaker 2: drove herself home without any issue, right, And he.
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Speaker 3: Had put hickeys on her neck when they were making
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Speaker 3: out and such, So she was going home, had hickeys
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Speaker 3: on her neck, knew she was out late, and she
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Speaker 3: had to come up with the story or her husband.
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Speaker 3: Yeah right, and was do you know if her and
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Speaker 3: her husband were actually in the midst of a divorce
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Speaker 3: or if she was just being you know.
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Speaker 2: Well that was never established because they were still together
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Speaker 2: when they was supposedly together when he went to court martial,
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Speaker 2: because he justified and so did she, okay, if that
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Speaker 2: was a talk, and then they decided not to I don't.
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Speaker 3: Know, yeah, okay, And then going back to that night,
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Speaker 3: so so at what point did this escalate to a
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Speaker 3: call to the police or an allegation of sexual assault.
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Speaker 2: Right right after she got home. She wasn't home very
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Speaker 2: I think it was like four in the morning, so
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Speaker 2: it wasn't and they actually lived on base as well,
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Speaker 2: in the base housing with her husband, but she had
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Speaker 2: to go far and so after she got home, then
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Speaker 2: I think it's hard to hit her. You know, what's
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Speaker 2: my husband going to say when he sees me? And
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Speaker 2: I think that's what that's what prompted the nine to one.
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Speaker 3: Wonderful, Yeah, okay, So she went to the police, and
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Speaker 3: then what happened after that she called the police.
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Speaker 1: They came in.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they came so that the ambulance came. And she
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Speaker 2: had kept saying she once a morning after pill, but
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Speaker 2: they came and they took her and then she said, yes,
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Speaker 2: I was sexually assaulted. I don't know who it was,
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Speaker 2: I don't know where I was, and so you know,
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Speaker 2: they did the entire exam mm hmmm, kids CDs, but
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Speaker 2: she wouldn't let him swab her for the DNA, so
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Speaker 2: that was always kind of suspicious. To me, I thought,
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Speaker 2: maybe that's her way of not getting him in trouble.
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Speaker 2: But the army investigators finding the pictures of them at
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Speaker 2: the ball, and that's how they found an I see.
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Speaker 3: So she wanted to get away with cheating on her husband,
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Speaker 3: but also do it in a way that doesn't incriminate anyone,
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Speaker 3: because then the truth of that could come out. So
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Speaker 3: she claimed that she was magically raped by someone unbeknownst
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Speaker 3: to her, and that they that the police would just
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Speaker 3: accept that and then she would get sympathy. I mean,
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Speaker 3: I don't know, I'm kind of jumping in her head now,
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Speaker 3: but I'm saying that that if it worked out the
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Speaker 3: way she wanted, there would have been a lot of
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Speaker 3: you know, benefit, And I guess no.
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Speaker 1: Harm done as far as she done. Yeah, and no
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Speaker 1: harm done to her exactly.
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Speaker 3: So Okay, so she makes the allegations, and she tries
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Speaker 3: to make it seem like it's something spontaneous, but your
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Speaker 3: son does get swept up in her web of deception.
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Speaker 1: So how what happened next?
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Speaker 2: So this happened in July, and he didn't get court
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Speaker 2: martial till the next March. That whole time he's working
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Speaker 2: on the base doing his regular job. I mean, if
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Speaker 2: they thought he was a racist, why is he not ended?
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Speaker 2: So he was doing his thing. And so then they
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Speaker 2: went to court martiall in March and they ended up
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Speaker 2: finding him guilty.
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Speaker 3: So wait, wait, wait wait, So was there no investigation
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Speaker 3: like you just saw that he was on the cameras
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Speaker 3: and there was no talk about whether or not it
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Speaker 3: was consensual, Like was there an investigation between the court,
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Speaker 3: the acclaigation and the court martial.
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Speaker 2: Well, there was all the everything was on her side
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Speaker 2: to try and prove that he did something. They did
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Speaker 2: no investigation on his part. I mean, they interviewed him
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Speaker 2: a few times on facts, even wanted to take a
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Speaker 2: lot of detective tests. It was innocence, they said. The
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Speaker 2: attorney said, no, you know, we can't use that anyway,
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Speaker 2: so you don't need to do a lot of tective tests,
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Speaker 2: which we ended up getting one a few years after
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Speaker 2: he was already in Fort Leavenworth, which he passed with
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Speaker 2: flying colors. So everything that they were doing was find
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Speaker 2: her find him guilty. It was there was nothing done
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Speaker 2: to see what was she up to? Mm hmm, you know,
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Speaker 2: and then you know when we found out when we
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Speaker 2: didn't find out till two weeks before the court martial
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Speaker 2: that he was going to court martial. He thought his
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Speaker 2: attorney told him there's no evidence of sexual assault. The
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Speaker 2: only thing you're going to get convicted of is adultrey
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Speaker 2: because in service, it's crime even if you're not the
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Speaker 2: married one, right, and then you get like a year
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Speaker 2: for that. So that's what he thought, and that's what
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Speaker 2: he told us, And then we got the call that
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Speaker 2: you know, he got twenty years and they were taking
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Speaker 2: him right.
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Speaker 4: That minute, and they took him.
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Speaker 2: So where was I going with that? So yeah, so
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Speaker 2: there was so then we decided, okay, we need to
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Speaker 2: look into this. You know, we know our son, we
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Speaker 2: were he did do this, but we're not the type
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Speaker 2: of parents that just take it at face value. We
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Speaker 2: wanted to see what's going on here. So we started
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Speaker 2: looking at the the Facebook page for the bar. And
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Speaker 2: one of the big things that I think weighed the
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Speaker 2: jury as far as giving him the twenty years, he
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Speaker 2: and her husband both testified that she was so distraught
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Speaker 2: over being raped she did not leave her house leave
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Speaker 2: her house. So to like twenty days later, at that
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Speaker 2: same bar, he's having drinks. The two guys that are
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Speaker 2: not her husband. Are you going to go back to
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Speaker 2: the place where you met the guy that raped So
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Speaker 2: there was that. Then they testified that because she couldn't
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Speaker 2: leave her house as she was so distrut, she had
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Speaker 2: to leave and take the kids with her and go
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Speaker 2: back to their home state and break up their family. Well,
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Speaker 2: we saw her Facebook page, So this happened in July.
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Speaker 2: Her Facebook page. September, two months later, she was in
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Speaker 2: a relationship with another guy in her home state. We
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Speaker 2: looked at his and he said he was in a
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Speaker 2: relationship with her a few months later then they ended
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Speaker 2: up being together, having a kid. He moved in with him.
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Speaker 2: So there was all this stuff that happened within two
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Speaker 2: months he and Anthony seeing each other. But they found
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Speaker 2: out to be like, oh, this broke up our family,
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Speaker 2: this horrible thing. She was strut and I think that
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Speaker 2: kind of pushed them to give him more time.
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Speaker 4: Maybe when they you know, and they convicted him.
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Speaker 3: And at no point while this was going on, did
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Speaker 3: she think to just come clean and just set the
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Speaker 3: record straight now? And what was the standard of evidence
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Speaker 3: then that, you know, because it seems like you would
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Speaker 3: think that maybe it's because of the way that they,
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Speaker 3: you know, conducted this like in a court of law,
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Speaker 3: like a like a civilian court, you know, you would
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Speaker 3: need like beyond a reasonable doubt level of evidence, and
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Speaker 3: that doesn't seem to be the case here. So like, what, what,
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Speaker 3: what's the story with that?
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Speaker 2: Well, so the only evidence they had was she had
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Speaker 2: hickeys and she didn't do the DNA, so it was
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Speaker 2: a he said she said, the same thing that we
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Speaker 2: have with the hashtag METO movement mm hm word against
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Speaker 2: his word. So they automatically in the military, everything favors
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Speaker 2: the woman. As soon as she turned, as soon as
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Speaker 2: she says I was sexually assaulted, she gets a special
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Speaker 2: victims attorney, a special victims prosecutor. And in the military,
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Speaker 2: you are guilty to prove an innocent. It's really totally
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Speaker 2: reversed from what it is with everybody out in the world.
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Speaker 2: These guys sign on the dotted line, give their life
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Speaker 2: if they have to for our constitution, and they have
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Speaker 2: no constitutional when they're in the court system in the military.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, uh, that's absolutely monstrous. So what what is his
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Speaker 3: sentence then? And where and where is he at now?
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Speaker 2: Okay, so he is almost eleven years into a twenty
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Speaker 2: year sentence, so he spent his entire twenties in prison.
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Speaker 2: He's doing very well despite all this, and he's really motivated.
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Speaker 2: And so we have. We've had all of our appeals,
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Speaker 2: and we did a habeas corpus appeal. We even went
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Speaker 2: to the Supreme Court, and they all say, oh, we're
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Speaker 2: not going to go against what the military said. And
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Speaker 2: I've always said, it's kind of like a good old
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Speaker 2: boys club, you know, Oh, well, these army guys said
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Speaker 2: he's guilty. See, we really don't want to do That's
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Speaker 2: how my feeling. That's not what anybody says, but that's
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Speaker 2: my feeling.
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Speaker 1: That's what you said.
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Speaker 2: Just keep that going, you know. And and and it's.
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Speaker 3: Really do you think that it's because they kind of
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Speaker 3: want to protect the reputation of the military more than
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Speaker 3: do what's right, because like, if you you know, it
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Speaker 3: just looks bad. So they just I remember when I
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Speaker 3: spoke to Arvis and he explained to me that the
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Speaker 3: military courts would rather not drag these things out and
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Speaker 3: they just go to a conviction and then it's like
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Speaker 3: water under the.
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Speaker 1: Bridge, you know, we don't have to deal with it anymore.
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Speaker 3: And you know, yeah, so it's yeah, they wash their
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Speaker 3: hands of the whole thing basically.
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Speaker 2: And you know, the problem was this all came about
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Speaker 2: because back in the day, women will report that they
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Speaker 2: were sexually assaulted or raped and they would sweep it
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Speaker 2: under the rug. These women sometimes they would get demoted,
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Speaker 2: they would get moved from another un station, and it
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Speaker 2: never came to light. Well, then they got found out.
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Speaker 2: Now they have to try and sue that they're going
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Speaker 2: strong on military military on sexual.
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Speaker 1: Assaults, like an over compensation, right, so.
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Speaker 2: The pendulum goes totally over to the other side and
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Speaker 2: there is absolutely nothing that goes towards it's all for
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Speaker 2: the accuser.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So then after this happened, I'm sure you were
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Speaker 3: absolutely devastated. What did you guys think was your next steps?
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Speaker 3: Like it looked like he was just going to go
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Speaker 3: to jail and what could you do as parents?
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Speaker 2: Well at that point, and I wanted to to say
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Speaker 2: something real quick to your viewers. If you have anybody
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Speaker 2: who's in the military and gets accused of sexual assault,
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Speaker 2: immediately get a civilian not get.
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Speaker 1: A civilian attorney.
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Speaker 2: Yes, do not get somebody, because that's what my son did.
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Speaker 2: He had the the defense attorney was in the army,
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Speaker 2: and so when you look at the system, you have,
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Speaker 2: you know, the commander who decides okay, I think there's
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Speaker 2: enough evidence here. Well, he's also the commander over the profit,
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Speaker 2: commander over the defense attorney, a comander over the judge
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Speaker 2: and the jury. Now, if your boss is saying, hey,
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Speaker 2: I think this is go to court, are you going
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Speaker 2: to go against him?
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Speaker 1: There?
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Speaker 2: It's like if it was civilian, It's like the prosecutor
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Speaker 2: in all the jury, you know, in a civilian trial.
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Speaker 2: I mean you know, so everything is just really swayed
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Speaker 2: away from away from the accused.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So then okay, so so what did you guys do?
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Speaker 2: Then? So we start. We immediately got we're on our
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Speaker 2: third attorney. We immediately got a civilian attorney, and we
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Speaker 2: got an investigator to you know, find out what can
19:44
Speaker 2: we find out here? Well, they basically took their money,
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Speaker 2: didn't do a lot. So then the second attorney was
19:50
Speaker 2: an attorney that I try to fix what the first
19:53
Speaker 2: attorney did. This was kind of a long drawn out process.
19:57
Speaker 2: So after I'm trying to think twenty team, I think
20:02
Speaker 2: that we have our new John Maher is our new attorney,
20:05
Speaker 2: and his they've been excellent, and we actually got as
20:09
Speaker 2: far we went to the Supreme Court and nobody else
20:12
Speaker 2: would even go as far as that, but the Supreme
20:16
Speaker 2: Court ended up saying we're not going to change anything
20:18
Speaker 2: anythink they should handle it. So so now we're just
20:23
Speaker 2: kind of at the point where we're just trying to
20:24
Speaker 2: bring this injustice to the light and try to get
20:29
Speaker 2: some changes made so that these guys, because it's going
20:33
Speaker 2: on and on. I mean, there are so many guys there,
20:35
Speaker 2: and these women do this for various reasons. Like this girl,
20:38
Speaker 2: I think it brought up that didn't want to say
20:40
Speaker 2: who guy was. There are people women who are married
20:45
Speaker 2: and you're getting a divorced and there's a customy battle.
20:48
Speaker 2: Then they come up forward and say, oh my husband Rachel.
20:51
Speaker 2: Now they're going to jail, she gets the kids. Uh,
20:55
Speaker 2: there's all kinds of different other thing, money, different things
20:58
Speaker 2: for some of these women that there aren't women that
21:01
Speaker 2: are really raped, because they are, and there's plenty of
21:04
Speaker 2: men that are in prison that should be there, sure,
21:08
Speaker 2: but in the in you know, it's it's all politicized
21:11
Speaker 2: from you know, the politicians are driving this. They're you know,
21:16
Speaker 2: they're making they have to make sure that it looks
21:19
Speaker 2: like they're going strong for these politicians, because that's what
21:22
Speaker 2: they're they're putting out there that we have, you know,
21:25
Speaker 2: like the one Jackie Spear said, Oh, there's twenty six
21:28
Speaker 2: thousand women here being raped, and I think she said
21:34
Speaker 2: thirty five hundred of those reported, And how do you
21:36
Speaker 2: know there's twenty six thousand of only thirty six reporting it,
21:40
Speaker 2: and out of that there's only ten percent. Well, maybe
21:44
Speaker 2: there's only ten percent convicted, because that's all there is.
21:48
Speaker 2: They want it to be closer to that one hundred
21:50
Speaker 2: percent mark. That's what they want, you know.
21:53
Speaker 3: Of course, because there is a political benefit to that.
21:56
Speaker 3: I mean, it's all about like twisting words and cooking
22:00
Speaker 3: numbers to make the crisis look bigger than it is
22:03
Speaker 3: so that they can expedite and get more convictions.
22:06
Speaker 1: And that was another thing that because you know, one
22:08
Speaker 1: of the things that we.
22:08
Speaker 3: Talk about on our show a lot is this kind
22:11
Speaker 3: of stuff happening on college campuses right where you know,
22:15
Speaker 3: and they put these like statistics out there. You know,
22:17
Speaker 3: one in four women will experience you know, rape or
22:21
Speaker 3: sexual assault in their lifetime. And these are when you
22:24
Speaker 3: look at the data. It's it's very very biased, as
22:28
Speaker 3: like a giant like over let's say, overstatement of what
22:33
Speaker 3: qualifies as this thing. You know, it could be anything,
22:36
Speaker 3: could be a woman who had sex and then regretted
22:38
Speaker 3: it afterwards, and that counts, right. And I think that
22:43
Speaker 3: in college campuses, in the civil civilian life, we have
22:47
Speaker 3: this manifests and like the you know, uh, dear colleague
22:50
Speaker 3: letter and you know, the title nine stuff and what.
22:56
Speaker 3: But this this data point, which is not true. I mean,
23:00
Speaker 3: like the you know, the incidents of rape and sexual
23:05
Speaker 3: assault in third world countries is lower than that, you know,
23:11
Speaker 3: like in places where you know you would expect it
23:14
Speaker 3: to happen more, it happens way less than the one
23:16
Speaker 3: in four and not it's certainly not in a first.
23:19
Speaker 1: World country like America.
23:20
Speaker 3: But the worst part about it is that data point
23:24
Speaker 3: is so popularized and normalized that everyone seems to expect it,
23:28
Speaker 3: and it manifests in some you know, in some ways,
23:31
Speaker 3: like in the case of your Stun and one of
23:34
Speaker 3: the I think there's something we talk about a lot
23:36
Speaker 3: in the show. I think one of the primary obstacles
23:39
Speaker 3: to debunking that is somehow people have it in their
23:43
Speaker 3: heads that women can are incapable of doing evil things
23:49
Speaker 3: like that.
23:49
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, it's it's.
23:50
Speaker 3: Just anathema to them, whereas obviously men are very capable
23:54
Speaker 3: of those things. And when we have this and it's
23:58
Speaker 3: kind of like a thing we have to get old
24:00
Speaker 3: or you know, in our own minds. Then we can
24:03
Speaker 3: treat women like adults and then just look at things
24:05
Speaker 3: objectively and try to come to some conclusion. If it
24:08
Speaker 3: turns out that the man is guilty of something, then yeah,
24:12
Speaker 3: we did it. We did the due process right. If
24:14
Speaker 3: it turns out maybe the woman is guilty of something,
24:16
Speaker 3: and then we you know, we.
24:18
Speaker 1: Follow up in that way.
24:19
Speaker 3: But it's hard because you have to like change the
24:21
Speaker 3: way people view these dynamics, you know.
24:24
Speaker 2: The whole thing with I think Hillary Clinton is the
24:26
Speaker 2: one that said you have to believe the woman, but
24:30
Speaker 2: yet she didn't believe Bill Clinton's accused. Where is that?
24:34
Speaker 1: You know?
24:35
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's again it comes down to like what's convenient,
24:39
Speaker 3: and it has been tremendously politicized, which is you know,
24:43
Speaker 3: again unfortunate. And these activists and academics and media figures
24:50
Speaker 3: and politicians and university professors, they all they all benefit
24:55
Speaker 3: like the idea that these myths can continue to exist.
24:58
Speaker 3: It's it's basically gives them a reason to keep doing.
25:02
Speaker 1: What they do right, Otherwise they have to go get
25:04
Speaker 1: real jobs, so.
25:05
Speaker 2: Right, right, and you know, and even if there's you know,
25:09
Speaker 2: like there was one kid he was only nineteen, got convicted,
25:13
Speaker 2: his case got overturned. He had think he was in
25:15
Speaker 2: there two years and god his because he was so young,
25:19
Speaker 2: it got overturned. And Christian Gillibrand, who's a big owner
25:23
Speaker 2: of this in the military, she said that that sends
25:27
Speaker 2: the wrong message. Well, there's it's only justice persons guilty.
25:34
Speaker 2: You know, it's not that Hey, this mom and his
25:36
Speaker 2: mom and sister got their loved one back and system
25:39
Speaker 2: work for him. They don't look at it like that.
25:42
Speaker 2: It's always like that's, oh no, we don't want that
25:44
Speaker 2: to happen. So it's like everything so that it doesn't happen.
25:49
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and and uh yeah. These people like Kirsten Gillibrand,
25:53
Speaker 3: who you mentioned, they benefit from these from these myths,
25:58
Speaker 3: and you know, like they would expect you, because you
26:01
Speaker 3: are a woman, to go along with it, but they don't.
26:04
Speaker 3: For whatever reason, they failed to understand that you also
26:09
Speaker 3: have men in your life that you don't want these
26:11
Speaker 3: things happening to, like your son, right right.
26:13
Speaker 2: And you know, and the other thing that is really
26:15
Speaker 2: wrong when they go to court, like my son's jurors.
26:21
Speaker 2: First of all, they're not a jury of your peers
26:22
Speaker 2: like there are in the real world. They're all higher
26:25
Speaker 2: rank than him. Three of them were in the same communities,
26:30
Speaker 2: all of them had the prosecutor was helping him in
26:34
Speaker 2: another matter. They're all kind of intertwined. And four times
26:40
Speaker 2: during the court martial they were told that they could
26:43
Speaker 2: find him guilty by the ponderance of the evidence, And
26:50
Speaker 2: when they were getting ready to go into the jury room,
26:52
Speaker 2: the prosecutor said, if you think that more likely than not,
26:57
Speaker 2: until she did.
26:57
Speaker 4: This, you can convict him.
27:00
Speaker 2: That is against the constitutional standard.
27:02
Speaker 1: It's crazy.
27:03
Speaker 2: Wired in all fifty states it's required that it has
27:07
Speaker 2: to be beyond a reasonable doubt. So why it's not
27:09
Speaker 2: the same thing in the military, where these men are
27:12
Speaker 2: given their lives for all of us, they don't be
27:15
Speaker 2: saying constitutional rights.
27:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy, that is crazy.
27:20
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you have I should probably bring up the petition,
27:25
Speaker 3: which you guys have a good number of signatures and
27:27
Speaker 3: I put a link to it in the description. Again,
27:29
Speaker 3: guys that are just tuning in, please hit the like button.
27:32
Speaker 3: I see you all watching. Thank you for your kind
27:35
Speaker 3: attention and your comments. I am speaking with Donna Santucci.
27:38
Speaker 3: She is the mother of a young man who has
27:41
Speaker 3: been thrown in jail for how long? What's his sentence
27:44
Speaker 3: good for? He's been in jail for eleven years and
27:48
Speaker 3: he's going to serve another nine unless, like we, you know,
27:51
Speaker 3: can figure something out. And it's for basically, you know,
27:57
Speaker 3: a one night stand with somebody who regrets edit it
28:00
Speaker 3: afterwards or wanted to avoid embarrassment or something. And it's
28:04
Speaker 3: a real tragedy. But the change dot org position is false.
28:08
Speaker 3: Accused and wrongly convicted. Former military service members need your help.
28:12
Speaker 3: There's a link in the description. Please sign the petition.
28:15
Speaker 3: It helps a lot. I've spoken to a few people.
28:17
Speaker 3: This is your like the fourth guests I've had on
28:20
Speaker 3: that's part of this group, and I'm going to talk
28:21
Speaker 3: to more of them and get their stories as well,
28:24
Speaker 3: because of the very least which you get the story
28:26
Speaker 3: out there. So you say your son is doing he's
28:29
Speaker 3: handling himself pretty well while he's inside. How often do
28:32
Speaker 3: you get to see him or communicate with him.
28:35
Speaker 2: We're in Ohio and he's in Kansas, so we drive
28:37
Speaker 2: there every two months go and see him. And I mean,
28:42
Speaker 2: he's you know, he's taking classes. He wants to own
28:45
Speaker 2: his own business when he gets out. He's got goals.
28:48
Speaker 2: He's really I mean, I would be in a fetal
28:50
Speaker 2: position underneath my cot you know, but he is just
28:54
Speaker 2: I mean, he does he does great. You know, we're
28:57
Speaker 2: really proud of him, the way he's handled himself. Yeah,
29:01
Speaker 2: you know, and unless he you know right now, what
29:03
Speaker 2: we're doing. We have a pardon packet that we just
29:06
Speaker 2: put together with our attorney. We're asking Donald Trump for
29:11
Speaker 2: a pardon. We don't just want a pardon. We want
29:14
Speaker 2: it to be that the President will disapprove the findings
29:20
Speaker 2: and the sentence and give him an unconditional pardon. What
29:24
Speaker 2: that will do will allow him to come out of
29:26
Speaker 2: prison a truly free man. Won't have to register as
29:29
Speaker 2: a sex offender, he won't be a felon. If he
29:32
Speaker 2: just gives him a pardon, he'll still have that baggage
29:34
Speaker 2: his whole life, the rest of his life. He's already
29:36
Speaker 2: had these years taken away from him. Then the rest
29:40
Speaker 2: of his life he would have to register as a
29:42
Speaker 2: sex offender. When he's eighty years old, he'll have to
29:45
Speaker 2: register as a sex offender. So that's what are what
29:48
Speaker 2: we're doing now, trying to get the paperwork to Donald Trump.
29:53
Speaker 2: If any of your listeners could get in touch with him,
29:58
Speaker 2: you can, if you go online, you can. You're out
30:00
Speaker 2: how to send messages, write letters, even with your your
30:05
Speaker 2: state representatives and your senators, you know, just start sending
30:09
Speaker 2: stuff and asking them to fix this problem, to help
30:13
Speaker 2: with this. That's what we're asking for people to do,
30:18
Speaker 2: you know, just so that other people. I mean, it's
30:20
Speaker 2: too late for Anthony. He's lost ten years of his life.
30:24
Speaker 2: There are constantly new people coming in there. It's not
30:27
Speaker 2: too late for those kids. It's not too late for
30:29
Speaker 2: those mothers sons. It's too late for my son, but
30:33
Speaker 2: it's not for theirs. And that's that's what we're you know,
30:36
Speaker 2: that's what we're asking for able to somehow that stage
30:41
Speaker 2: so this doesn't keep happening.
30:44
Speaker 1: Yeah.
30:46
Speaker 3: Well, you know, he did partner a lot of people
30:49
Speaker 3: that worked in the government because they were let you know,
30:53
Speaker 3: they were let go of because they didn't follow mask mandates.
30:58
Speaker 3: I know, one goes to my church and he worked
31:01
Speaker 3: for the military and he refused to you know, get
31:03
Speaker 3: vaccinated or wear a mask. And this was during the
31:06
Speaker 3: Biden administration, and yeah, and they sent him all home
31:09
Speaker 3: and then he reinstated them with back pay.
31:12
Speaker 1: So maybe I don't know something like that. I don't
31:15
Speaker 1: think that it's.
31:16
Speaker 2: Completely reach you give him back pay. I'm sure he
31:21
Speaker 2: doesn't want to go back in the service. Yeah, you know,
31:24
Speaker 2: but I mean there should be some compensation because you
31:26
Speaker 2: can't sue him. Agree, once you're out, you can't sue
31:29
Speaker 2: the government. So you know, now he's going to get
31:32
Speaker 2: out and he has nothing but for him, So that
31:36
Speaker 2: would be even a step further was to be to
31:40
Speaker 2: give him something.
31:43
Speaker 1: Yeah.
31:44
Speaker 3: Another thing, Yeah, another thing too is that, you know,
31:48
Speaker 3: the Press Secretary recently announced that anyone who creates content
31:54
Speaker 3: can attend to get a seat at the you know,
31:57
Speaker 3: at the various press conferences.
32:00
Speaker 1: And I filled out for US.
32:02
Speaker 3: I filled one out because I live in Broono, Virginia.
32:05
Speaker 3: I'm about four hours away from Washington, d C. I
32:09
Speaker 3: could literally go up there once in a while if
32:11
Speaker 3: I can get in the get a press pass. And
32:14
Speaker 3: because they're allowing anyone to do it because obviously the
32:17
Speaker 3: legacy media can't be trusted, so they're just like, Okay,
32:20
Speaker 3: we got to me.
32:21
Speaker 1: I saw that, which is the rest of us. Yeah,
32:23
Speaker 1: it is.
32:24
Speaker 3: And I do want to bring attention to that because
32:26
Speaker 3: I think the first time around, there were some positive
32:29
Speaker 3: changes done regarding Title nine, the removal of the Dear
32:33
Speaker 3: Colleague letter and stuff because of Betsy de Vos. So
32:36
Speaker 3: I would like to see that extended to the military.
32:39
Speaker 3: I mean, if anybody needs to be supported, it's our
32:42
Speaker 3: you know, it's our military personnel. Like they literally put
32:45
Speaker 3: their lives on the line for this country, so like
32:49
Speaker 3: we should be supporting them. And I think it's absolutely
32:53
Speaker 3: gainful that this kind of stuff happens, even if it
32:57
Speaker 3: is a you know, you call it a correction. I
33:00
Speaker 3: just think that's an excuse. We already have a system
33:02
Speaker 3: in place called due process.
33:04
Speaker 1: Right we have to do is follow that objectively. Yeah,
33:07
Speaker 1: and yeah, not do.
33:10
Speaker 3: No. So you appeared on I can't I can't show
33:16
Speaker 3: the video now, but you guys, you sent me a
33:18
Speaker 3: video of your appearance on a looks like a hearing
33:24
Speaker 3: of some kind at the Defense Advisory Committee. Yes, and
33:29
Speaker 3: what was the first of all, what was the short
33:31
Speaker 3: version of what you talked about?
33:32
Speaker 1: And what was the response from.
33:34
Speaker 2: Well, so this was a two day hearing. It was
33:37
Speaker 2: like four hours each day. We were told right.
33:40
Speaker 1: Up front, wait, I'm sorry, you're cutting out.
33:44
Speaker 2: We're going to get ten minutes to speak, so prepare
33:46
Speaker 2: your remarks. So we had to sit there for four
33:49
Speaker 2: hours and all of the victim advocates, with the victims themselves,
33:54
Speaker 2: the victim advocates and people who are in charge of
33:56
Speaker 2: that in each service branch, they all got like an
33:59
Speaker 2: al or you know, they're talking and talking and the
34:02
Speaker 2: room was full of people, and then you have the board.
34:05
Speaker 2: So as soon as all those people were done and
34:07
Speaker 2: we came up to count with me and another woman,
34:12
Speaker 2: every single person left step the board, which so now
34:18
Speaker 2: I'm like, just I was getting kicked off just thinking
34:20
Speaker 2: about it that I only get ten minutes and then
34:22
Speaker 2: everybody left, and I was like, are you kitting me?
34:25
Speaker 2: You know, so basically told the story and like I
34:29
Speaker 2: told you, but I was a little more forceful, a
34:31
Speaker 2: little more emotional. You know that this needs to change,
34:36
Speaker 2: and you know, or ask for that was you know,
34:40
Speaker 2: we need to have an independent review of these cases.
34:43
Speaker 2: Somebody needs to be looking at these and trying to
34:46
Speaker 2: fix this problem. And so, you know, I had to
34:49
Speaker 2: say that all of within my ten minutes. And then
34:51
Speaker 2: one of the women on the board, because I asked them,
34:54
Speaker 2: I said, why is it that we're only getting ten
34:57
Speaker 2: minutes to talk in a two day me mm hmm,
35:02
Speaker 2: you know why is that? And why is there anybody
35:03
Speaker 2: holding meetings for these wrongfully accused people. So the one
35:07
Speaker 2: late at the end and the one lady said, well,
35:09
Speaker 2: you know, this is the defense Advisory Committy for investigation
35:15
Speaker 2: had heard one person talking about defensive sexual assault and
35:19
Speaker 2: that whole time we were there, we were it. So
35:22
Speaker 2: they like to add that little tagline onto you know,
35:26
Speaker 2: work for prosecution and defense. They're not defending anybody. It's
35:29
Speaker 2: all about it's all about prosecution, and that needs to
35:33
Speaker 2: be all because that's just it's not right. I think
35:37
Speaker 2: we should have gotten enough time to speak what we
35:40
Speaker 2: wanted to say, you know, yeah, like everybody else did.
35:44
Speaker 3: So yeah, absolutely, there seems to be a lot of
35:46
Speaker 3: effort to like keep this quiet.
35:48
Speaker 1: I mean it may not be in overt ways.
35:50
Speaker 3: But definitely in subtle ways. I noticed that this video
35:54
Speaker 3: was posted on a channel called would you Care? Is that
35:57
Speaker 3: you're like, are you associated with this?
36:01
Speaker 2: I'm not associated with che I'm not quite sure how
36:03
Speaker 2: it got there.
36:04
Speaker 3: Oh okay the video you said, yeah, I think would
36:07
Speaker 3: you Care is actually I think Arvest talked about that. Okay, yeah,
36:11
Speaker 3: so that's yeah, I bet that's what that is. So
36:14
Speaker 3: it's okay. Yeah, your channel's pretty small. Oh, this channel's
36:19
Speaker 3: pretty small, but it definitely should get more attention.
36:23
Speaker 2: I will we share.
36:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, somebody, somebody in the chat I guess that knows
36:26
Speaker 3: you says it's Arvist.
36:28
Speaker 1: So there you go.
36:29
Speaker 3: If you guys need some help, I would be I'd
36:32
Speaker 3: be willing to help you guys out in terms of
36:34
Speaker 3: like trying to get that channel out there, because I
36:36
Speaker 3: think that that's basically like the root of where all
36:40
Speaker 3: change begins is with basically people being heard and telling
36:43
Speaker 3: their stories and all that.
36:45
Speaker 1: And I think that that's important.
36:46
Speaker 2: So I know, yeah, it's and it's you know, and
36:49
Speaker 2: I would say too. I mean, at this point in time,
36:52
Speaker 2: I don't think if we would have known this was
36:55
Speaker 2: going on, they had changed all those rules for sexual
36:58
Speaker 2: assault right when my son went in, we would have
37:01
Speaker 2: known that that was going on, we would have done
37:04
Speaker 2: everything in our power not too at this point in time,
37:08
Speaker 2: many moms and dads that are out there listening, if
37:11
Speaker 2: your child is going to in the military, I would
37:15
Speaker 2: I would say, hold off, Let's see what's going to
37:17
Speaker 2: happen here, because you're putting their them in harm's way
37:20
Speaker 2: and lidy in harms way every day. Now they have
37:24
Speaker 2: to be in harm's way from the very people that's
37:27
Speaker 2: supposed to be you know, they're superiors and the people
37:30
Speaker 2: are supposed to have their backs and they so you know,
37:34
Speaker 2: and I think that needs to be I think if
37:35
Speaker 2: that affects if that can affect their enlistment, then maybe
37:42
Speaker 2: that will get some attention. I get attention where you can.
37:47
Speaker 2: But I would really if I if I had a
37:48
Speaker 2: child now that was saying I'm going to go to
37:50
Speaker 2: the military.
37:52
Speaker 1: Yeah just wait, yeah definitely. So what are your I
37:59
Speaker 1: guess what's the next that? What are you guys? What
38:01
Speaker 1: are your plans now? What are you working on?
38:03
Speaker 2: Well? The next step is we just keep plugging along
38:06
Speaker 2: and trying to get on shows like yours, different different
38:11
Speaker 2: venues to try and get the word out there by
38:13
Speaker 2: to effect change. And when I know artist goes to
38:16
Speaker 2: I think every back iypad where I was I gave
38:20
Speaker 2: my testimony. I think there every three or four months,
38:22
Speaker 2: and I know he goes to almost one, which we're
38:26
Speaker 2: going to start going to some of those two so
38:28
Speaker 2: they can see see us, you know, and maybe if
38:32
Speaker 2: we can network that way, because even though people might
38:34
Speaker 2: want to help these politicians, they don't want to help
38:37
Speaker 2: publicly want out there because they need to keep their
38:41
Speaker 2: everything on an even keel, you know, so you know
38:46
Speaker 2: behind this it's that would help.
38:48
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's bad for their career in a way, partly
38:52
Speaker 3: because you know, again there's this there is this narrative
38:56
Speaker 3: that when women are perceived to be victimized in some way,
39:01
Speaker 3: there's you just can't criticize that. So you these guys
39:05
Speaker 3: are and they're kind of it's a spineless thing not
39:08
Speaker 3: to act on because you either believe in the truth
39:11
Speaker 3: or you don't. But a lot of people they don't
39:13
Speaker 3: want to act on it because it's good for their
39:15
Speaker 3: career if they pretend it isn't there. So I guess
39:18
Speaker 3: if they approach you behind closed doors and like, oh
39:21
Speaker 3: you know what, I actually like agree with you and
39:23
Speaker 3: we should do I mean, it's like, that's nice, But
39:26
Speaker 3: I'm the one putting my neck out there because I'm
39:29
Speaker 3: the one talking about this stuff and you agree with me.
39:31
Speaker 3: And the truth is is that if enough people just
39:34
Speaker 3: told the truth, they would realize that they're probably not
39:37
Speaker 3: that alone, right, Like, there's probably more people that have
39:41
Speaker 3: like the same you know, opinion, they're just too scared
39:45
Speaker 3: to share it.
39:45
Speaker 1: And I think that has to end. But I do
39:47
Speaker 1: think that that's changing.
39:48
Speaker 3: I think that you know, there's definitely a vibe shift,
39:52
Speaker 3: as the young people say, and I think that this
39:56
Speaker 3: is a really good opportunity to really like, you know,
39:59
Speaker 3: get the motor going and talking about these issues right.
40:03
Speaker 2: Right, and then you know, like I said, if anybody,
40:05
Speaker 2: if anybody knows anybody who's accused you not get a
40:08
Speaker 2: military there you're right there?
40:12
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah? Are you guys have someone right now that
40:14
Speaker 1: you're working with?
40:15
Speaker 2: Yes, John Maher maher Legal Services. He's been awesome, Uh,
40:20
Speaker 2: in his team, Kevin, they've been awesome and they've really
40:24
Speaker 2: got taken us because we had our second attorney and
40:28
Speaker 2: we lost our I think it was our third appeal,
40:31
Speaker 2: and he said, Okay, what's our next step? And he's
40:33
Speaker 2: like well that's it. No, Just when did he say,
40:37
Speaker 2: just focus on parole. Every year you're at for parole,
40:42
Speaker 2: focus on parole. There's nothing else we can do. Where
40:44
Speaker 2: John came in and said, no, that's not all. Then
40:47
Speaker 2: we had a habeas purpose which is hard to explain,
40:52
Speaker 2: but it said at the tense Circuit court because he's
40:55
Speaker 2: out of the military now. And then after that, you know,
40:59
Speaker 2: he lost that. And then it went to the Supreme Court,
41:02
Speaker 2: which we really thought that we're going to get something
41:05
Speaker 2: here because it took them like fifteen months and the
41:08
Speaker 2: longest they've ever gone is six months where they gave
41:11
Speaker 2: an opinion and it was like fifteen months. So we're like,
41:14
Speaker 2: they're given us something, they're going to take time off.
41:16
Speaker 2: They came back and they said the same thing everybody
41:19
Speaker 2: else says, is just the way. We're not going to
41:23
Speaker 2: change anything that they did in the previous and the
41:27
Speaker 2: military court, so that all the whole thing, and we
41:30
Speaker 2: don't think that these cases should not be handled by
41:34
Speaker 2: the military. There are cases that people accused somebody of
41:38
Speaker 2: rape and they accused not to the government, not to
41:41
Speaker 2: the army, but they accused it of the local war.
41:44
Speaker 2: They investigated it a couple of times, no, there's nothing here.
41:49
Speaker 2: Then the army or the military picks it up. Now
41:52
Speaker 2: they're now they're going to prison. And it's all because
41:57
Speaker 2: they these admirals, these generals and commanding authority, they're fear
42:04
Speaker 2: of their jobs. They won't say anything even if they
42:06
Speaker 2: think it shouldn't have been. They're in fear of their jobs.
42:10
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a case where a guy, he's two
42:12
Speaker 2: and a half years got out. He's registered as a
42:15
Speaker 2: sex offender, and like sixteen months after he was out,
42:20
Speaker 2: the admiral in his case came forward and said, at
42:23
Speaker 2: the time, I didn't feel that he should it should
42:27
Speaker 2: be guilty. He was going to say something, well, then
42:32
Speaker 2: the other admirals came and said, that's going to look
42:34
Speaker 2: bad on the Navy. It's going to mess up your career.
42:36
Speaker 2: So he didn't say anything. Let this guy go. So
42:38
Speaker 2: he must have had to come to Jesus moment. And
42:41
Speaker 2: afterward he was already retired and came forth and ended
42:45
Speaker 2: up he got his whole case overturned because of that.
42:49
Speaker 2: But that's what is in the back of these commanders' mind.
42:51
Speaker 2: They've spent their whole life, you know, in the military
42:55
Speaker 2: they're going to retire with the military compensation, and if
42:59
Speaker 2: they get fired for that, we're not getting all that.
43:03
Speaker 2: So and that's where the political part of it comes in.
43:06
Speaker 2: Politicians are pushing, pushing, pushing, and that's that's where the
43:11
Speaker 2: big issue is.
43:13
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely absolutely, I believe that one hundred percent.
43:18
Speaker 3: That the because again it's it's like what's good for
43:22
Speaker 3: my job? Basically, how do I remain relevant?
43:25
Speaker 1: Yeah? So yeah, very uh yeah, it's unfortunate. So what
43:32
Speaker 1: is when's the next time you're going to see your
43:35
Speaker 1: son visit?
43:37
Speaker 2: Probably let's see where are we in February? We'll see
43:39
Speaker 2: him in February?
43:40
Speaker 1: February, so this month?
43:41
Speaker 2: Okay, oh yeah in February.
43:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, we are February. Second, I know it's time flies.
43:47
Speaker 2: Yeah.
43:49
Speaker 1: Yeah.
43:49
Speaker 3: So it looks like like the people watching are very
43:52
Speaker 3: supportive and have nothing but you know, good things to
43:55
Speaker 3: say and the outrage that that this obviously this is
43:58
Speaker 3: an injustice and it's I think there's a lot of
44:01
Speaker 3: politics involved. We'll hope that you I mean that. Yeah,
44:05
Speaker 3: it's like what's what's good for business?
44:07
Speaker 1: You know?
44:08
Speaker 2: And you know the thing is they really want, uh
44:13
Speaker 2: like when he comes up for his parole. The last
44:16
Speaker 2: time he was up the parole, they said he they
44:18
Speaker 2: denied it because he hasn't been properly rehabilitated. And the
44:21
Speaker 2: reason for that is there's one class he you want
44:25
Speaker 2: him to take. It's the sex offender class. He refuses
44:28
Speaker 2: to take that class because he says, I'm not guilty.
44:31
Speaker 2: He's taken every other class. But they say, you haven't
44:34
Speaker 2: been habilitated because of that, and in order to take
44:39
Speaker 2: that class, you have to sign paperwork saying that you're guilty.
44:43
Speaker 1: Right, you'd have to.
44:44
Speaker 2: I'll stay here every day of my twenty years before
44:47
Speaker 2: I say I'm guilty of something that I didn't do exactly.
44:52
Speaker 1: That's that's that's there.
44:54
Speaker 2: I found this when I was looking up some stuff
44:56
Speaker 2: for this show. I found something in his writing that
44:59
Speaker 2: he gave meet years ago when he first got there.
45:04
Speaker 2: You know, they had they have intakes, they have to
45:05
Speaker 2: do intake. This major was going the intake and he said,
45:10
Speaker 2: you're going to start seeing a counselor and you need
45:12
Speaker 2: to admit it. And you did it, and Anthy said,
45:15
Speaker 2: but I didn't do it, So why would I admit
45:17
Speaker 2: to something I didn't do? And then the major says
45:20
Speaker 2: I'm sure in your mind and you believe you're in,
45:23
Speaker 2: but you were both pretty drunks that night, and neither
45:25
Speaker 2: one of you knows what really happened. Now, he's you know,
45:29
Speaker 2: he was twenty one years old, twenty two years old,
45:31
Speaker 2: so he's young. And how many people do they do
45:34
Speaker 2: this too, that say all sign So she like, we
45:38
Speaker 2: got the right guys, because they're all signing that they
45:41
Speaker 2: did it right. I just thought that was a horrible thing.
45:44
Speaker 1: How old was she, by the way, when they met
45:47
Speaker 1: twenty seven?
45:47
Speaker 2: He was twenty one, She was twenty seven, so she was.
45:50
Speaker 1: Older than him.
45:50
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, and okay, So here's the thing that's funny
45:53
Speaker 3: about that is they were both drinking. But he's the
45:57
Speaker 3: only one that's could be framed as a a great her.
46:00
Speaker 1: Why not her?
46:02
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, Like this obviously this isn't it's
46:06
Speaker 3: not meant to add up, but it's very fishy.
46:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, for sure.
46:10
Speaker 1: Yeah.
46:11
Speaker 2: And they just you know, they just want their and
46:13
Speaker 2: you know, the politicians want their numbers to look good,
46:16
Speaker 2: you know, so they just let all these things happen.
46:18
Speaker 2: And We've met so many people and so many families
46:22
Speaker 2: and some of them, we know their loved one is guilty. Yeah,
46:25
Speaker 2: because we look into cases and but there even if
46:29
Speaker 2: it's one person that's wrongfully convicted, that's too many, you know.
46:33
Speaker 2: But there's more person it's happening. There's hundreds, you know, uh,
46:38
Speaker 2: in other prisons, and it's just it's just horrible they're
46:42
Speaker 2: doing these guys. You know, and Anthony his whole life,
46:46
Speaker 2: he comes from a military family. He's always wanted to
46:49
Speaker 2: be in the military. This was going to be his life.
46:52
Speaker 1: M hm.
46:52
Speaker 2: Planes and you know, he's been jumping off stuff since
46:55
Speaker 2: he's been two years old. We should have known he
46:56
Speaker 2: was going to jump out of a plane, but he
47:01
Speaker 2: that's what he wanted to do his whole life, and
47:03
Speaker 2: that was going to be his career. Now that was
47:06
Speaker 2: not only was his freedom taken away, that was taken away,
47:09
Speaker 2: his future was taken away. And that's the saddest part
47:13
Speaker 2: of the whole thing is these men, their futures are
47:16
Speaker 2: taken away.
47:18
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it is really sad. But it sounds like
47:22
Speaker 3: your son is really strong and he's optimistic. Are you
47:28
Speaker 3: feeling optimistic, especially after the recent election and stuff. You
47:32
Speaker 3: think that this is going to give you guys a
47:33
Speaker 3: bit of an advantage or yes.
47:35
Speaker 2: We're hoping, you know, because we're you know, we have it.
47:38
Speaker 2: Like I said, we didn't ask for a pardon, Biden,
47:41
Speaker 2: because it was Obama era people that caused this problem.
47:44
Speaker 2: They're not going to list, yes, so why waste our time.
47:48
Speaker 2: So as soon as he got in, we started we
47:50
Speaker 2: had before that, we started working on our pardon packet.
47:53
Speaker 2: We have that beginning to him and hopefully I'm hoping
47:58
Speaker 2: that we can sure that he sees it. Just because
48:02
Speaker 2: he gets sent there doesn't mean right no, because.
48:05
Speaker 3: Actually there might be there might be some other person
48:08
Speaker 3: in the cabinet or administration that you can go to.
48:13
Speaker 2: Like you know, a pardon. We've sent a pardon packet
48:18
Speaker 2: when he was going out of office, and we mailed
48:21
Speaker 2: it to day on January fourth, it got there, it
48:26
Speaker 2: would have gotten there January sixth, and all all of them. Yeah,
48:30
Speaker 2: so nobody, and we had somebody that we knew because
48:33
Speaker 2: we sent it to a bunch of other people. Congressman,
48:35
Speaker 2: and we we have a guy that we know that
48:37
Speaker 2: works in the one Congressman. He said, we never got anything.
48:40
Speaker 2: That whole fiasco literally knows where all that stuff went.
48:44
Speaker 2: So he never even saw any of that. So now
48:48
Speaker 2: things seem to be where they should be. And if
48:51
Speaker 2: we can get it to him and he looked, actually
48:53
Speaker 2: looks at it, I think he'll you know, this is
48:56
Speaker 2: the most positive we've been this whole time.
48:58
Speaker 1: Oh that's good, that's good. Yeah.
49:00
Speaker 2: That's why people need to really call their you know, right,
49:04
Speaker 2: call email their you know, Donald Trump vice president against
49:12
Speaker 2: anybody you're you're senators, just start plugging away at that.
49:16
Speaker 2: If they start getting enough that it's like the squeaky wheel, eventually,
49:20
Speaker 2: now somebody's going to start looking at hey, we got right.
49:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, And and that's the thing, like the pressure
49:27
Speaker 3: you know, has to like match or exceed the pressure
49:30
Speaker 3: to for them to not look into it, which is
49:32
Speaker 3: where it is right now. So then you know, then
49:35
Speaker 3: they'll say, Okay, this is what the people want, and
49:37
Speaker 3: you know that that's the only way that's going to change.
49:40
Speaker 1: All right.
49:40
Speaker 3: Well, once again, this is Donald Santucci. I don't know
49:43
Speaker 3: if there's is there anything else you wanted to say
49:45
Speaker 3: before we wrap it up here, Uh, just some things
49:49
Speaker 3: you want to share with people.
49:51
Speaker 2: Or well, you know, if you if you want to
49:54
Speaker 2: go to I'm just going to show you this picture
49:56
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49:58
Speaker 1: My son.
49:59
Speaker 2: What a book It's called The Military Rape and don't know,
50:03
Speaker 2: can you see that.
50:03
Speaker 3: Book Anthony Santucci The Military Rape popes Ye.
50:09
Speaker 2: Now that you can get that on Amazon. But if
50:12
Speaker 2: you go to freeour Warriors dot org that's our website,
50:17
Speaker 2: within a couple of seconds, you'll get a download of this.
50:20
Speaker 2: You can download it and read it. It's like eighty
50:22
Speaker 2: pages that it really he wrote. He wrote the whole thing,
50:25
Speaker 2: and it really tells you what's going on. And the
50:30
Speaker 2: website has a lot of information on it, so you
50:32
Speaker 2: can really see what's going on. You get to understand
50:34
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50:41
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50:44
Speaker 2: start to realize that this is really He's not I'm
50:46
Speaker 2: not just a mom trying to protect my son, you know,
50:50
Speaker 2: I'm a mom trying to get justice for everybody's sons
50:53
Speaker 2: that are wrongfully convicted. And so yeah, those are the
50:57
Speaker 2: those are a couple of things. Just those, you know,
51:00
Speaker 2: we start reaching out to your you to all of
51:02
Speaker 2: your political people that you know, and if you know
51:05
Speaker 2: anybody else knows somebody, because you don't know you know
51:09
Speaker 2: knows somebody that knows somebody, So maybe you would get
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51:15
Speaker 2: I share stuff on Facebook all the time, and we
51:19
Speaker 2: just got to keep plugging away at it and hopefully
51:22
Speaker 2: you know we're going to change.
51:24
Speaker 1: Yeah awesome.
51:26
Speaker 3: Uh And also if you are able, and I know
51:29
Speaker 3: that I believe, I put Arvist in touch with Terrence
51:32
Speaker 3: pomp who is a military that that talks a lot
51:36
Speaker 3: about you know, men's issues, these among those. So I
51:41
Speaker 3: don't know if he's spoken to spoken to you, but yeah, yeah,
51:46
Speaker 3: we'll put you in touch with him if you need to.
51:49
Speaker 3: But if Arvis already has the uh you know, the
51:52
Speaker 3: angle there, he can probably do that. And Terrence is
51:54
Speaker 3: a great guy that I've had the pleasure of spending
51:56
Speaker 3: time with that one.
51:57
Speaker 1: Of our conferences.
51:58
Speaker 3: So yeah, all right, Well, Dona Santucci, thank you so
52:02
Speaker 3: much for sharing with appreciate and again, uh, you know,
52:08
Speaker 3: check out the links and the description to see the
52:11
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52:15
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52:17
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52:18
Speaker 1: Channel, and uh, yeah, go do uh go.
52:22
Speaker 3: Check those links out. Yeah, so all right, Thank you
52:27
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52:51
Speaker 3: Thank you Donna Santucci for telling us about your harrowing
52:55
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52:57
Speaker 3: family's going through. And we'll talk to you guys is
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