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The Big Issues - Tuesday 27 July 2021 · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: Joining me live in the studio right now for the
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  Speaker 1: big issues, proudly brought to you by Kolano Community Association.
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  Speaker 1: I have got Dave Tolner.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning, great to be with you, Katie.
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  Speaker 1: And I've got Damien Hale, good morning to your home.
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  Speaker 1: Are you very well? Now before we get into it,
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  Speaker 1: very something very serious that I saw yesterday Dave Tolner
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  Speaker 1: out training, lean and mean and clean and mean riding,
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  Speaker 1: riding his bicycle around and then upon closer inspection, I
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  Speaker 1: see he's got a durry in his house.
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  Speaker 3: The Olympics is on. Now he's too late. It started without.
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  Speaker 2: Him, one breakthrough at a time, smoking on a push
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  Speaker 2: for I.
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  Speaker 1: Did, actually, but I did wonder whether he had a
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  Speaker 1: beer or wine in his in the water holder part
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  Speaker 1: of his bicycle. But he didn't.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, I've just been to the buff Club. Well,
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  Speaker 2: this is part of my fitness regime. I've decided and
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  Speaker 2: driving to the Buffs, I'm going to ride my pushy
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  Speaker 2: n It's a big drive.
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  Speaker 1: Literally not far away.
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  Speaker 4: Good days, doing a bit of cycling in the morning,
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  Speaker 4: walk so I can have me have a beer in
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  Speaker 4: the evening.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'll tell you what doesn't it shape. But
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  Speaker 2: when you look in the mirror, Haley Mornings, see that
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  Speaker 2: big V shaped torso you've got there. Turn the light on,
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  Speaker 2: drip and turn the light of.
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  Speaker 4: Might use the light on my phone to find my socks,
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  Speaker 4: but I certainly don't turn the light on it.
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  Speaker 3: Duchy would go off.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we better move on because while everybody is very
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  Speaker 1: keen to hear about us exercising, you exercising, Dave Toma,
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  Speaker 1: I think they're more interested to hear your thoughts on
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  Speaker 1: the fact that the Darwin Turf Club jam and Brett Dixon,
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  Speaker 1: he's well. He has launched legal action in an attempt
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  Speaker 1: to overturn these adverse findings made against him by the
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  Speaker 1: Northern Territories Anti Corruption watchdog. We do know that the
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  Speaker 1: Independent Commissioner against Corruption last month released that report into
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  Speaker 1: its investigation into the handling of the twelve million dollar
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  Speaker 1: government grant for the new grandstand at the Fanny Bay
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  Speaker 1: Race Course. Now mister Dixon has released an eleven page statement.
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  Speaker 1: It is very extensive. However, you look at ers, this
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  Speaker 1: issue is not going away in a hurry.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, I'll tell you what but in an interesting
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  Speaker 2: you know, we've got the Brett Dixon, the dar and
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  Speaker 2: Turf Club there Cook, we got the Ikak there Crook,
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  Speaker 2: and we got the cabinet is crook. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how we get to the bottom of
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  Speaker 2: this made we need a royal commission.
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  Speaker 5: About that.
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  Speaker 4: But I'm just on the statement of the last sentence
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  Speaker 4: in Brett Dixon's statement. This is not the end, it's
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  Speaker 4: just the beginning.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god. Yeah, well going to put up with
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  Speaker 3: a few more weeks.
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  Speaker 2: It's got to be just the beginning. And I reckon
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  Speaker 2: the Grand Stead is just the tip of the iceberg.
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  Speaker 2: Let's start looking around at all those other buildings on
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  Speaker 2: the race course. Let's work out how they'll bet three
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  Speaker 2: six ' five ends up at the Beerrima corporate Park.
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  Speaker 2: How can the chairman be a resident of South Australia,
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  Speaker 2: of the turf club, you know those sort of things.
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  Speaker 2: All these things need to be investigated. And you know
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  Speaker 2: all we've seen, like I say, is talk about the
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  Speaker 2: Grand Stead. Let's have a look around. You know where
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  Speaker 2: does eighteen million dollars go. I had a big concern
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  Speaker 2: back in twenty fifteen when they were spending fifteen million
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  Speaker 2: of taxpayers money every year, and now we find out
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  Speaker 2: that it's been bumped up to eighteen million up per year.
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  Speaker 2: Now you might recall, you might not recall, Codie, but
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  Speaker 2: in twenty fifteen we said we're going to reduce their
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  Speaker 2: funding by a million dollars a year over three year.
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  Speaker 2: So take it from fifteen to twelve. What that basically
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  Speaker 2: means is, since twenty sixteen, their funding is increased from
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  Speaker 2: twelve million to eighteen million, a fifty percent increase. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I haven't seen a fifty percent increase in numbers coming
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  Speaker 2: to the DAAR and couple numbers going out there on
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  Speaker 2: a Saturday or anything. You know, where does eighteen million
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  Speaker 2: dollars disappear? T You know, it's all right, we sit
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  Speaker 2: there and focus on the green Steain. I tell you
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  Speaker 2: what he seems to have thrown Gunner writing well, I mean.
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  Speaker 1: I honestly think that Gunner was there already, and I like,
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  Speaker 1: I think there's you know, we can't you can't get
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  Speaker 1: past the fact that this you know, this grandstand as well.
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  Speaker 1: It's been promised obviously in his electorate. It's in Fanny Bay.
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  Speaker 1: We know, we know that they that the IK hasn't
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  Speaker 1: been able to look into, you know, to the process,
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  Speaker 1: the cabinet process, which is understandable, that is obviously confidential. However,
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  Speaker 1: we're now in a situation where you've got Brett Dixon
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  Speaker 1: saying that he wasn't aware that it was even going
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  Speaker 1: to cabinet that day. They're I don't I don't know
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  Speaker 1: who's telling the truth, who's not telling the truth where
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  Speaker 1: the truth lies. But it doesn't look good for anybody
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  Speaker 1: at this.
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  Speaker 2: Word on the street is that the board is going
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  Speaker 2: to get re elected. You sit there and they go,
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  Speaker 2: holy hell.
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  Speaker 1: Well, but then you know, if you're a board member,
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  Speaker 1: you'd be thinking to yourself. In addition to that, you'd
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  Speaker 1: be questioning how the government you know, I can just
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  Speaker 1: throw you under the bus when they're the ones that have.
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  Speaker 2: Made the decisse Listen, they've thrown a whole bunch of
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  Speaker 2: board members under the bus. Don't worry about that. They've
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  Speaker 2: sacked the entire Board of Territory generation. They sacked you know,
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  Speaker 2: there's been boards everywhere they've got rid of. I don't
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  Speaker 2: think getting rid of the turf Club really perturbs them
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  Speaker 2: too much at all. I got to say it'd be
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  Speaker 2: one way clear in the air is to get for
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  Speaker 2: the board to just sit there and say all right.
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  Speaker 2: At times you just got to suck it up and resign,
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  Speaker 2: get out of here. And you know, if your interest
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  Speaker 2: is in horse racing, surely you'd be trying to replace
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  Speaker 2: that board, trying to clear the air and it and
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  Speaker 2: move ahead.
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  Speaker 4: Wasn't There some reports today that some of the board
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  Speaker 4: members are pushing back now and saying, well, they're not
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  Speaker 4: going be an interesting AGM.
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  Speaker 3: Dave from Oh won't go along then Eddie nominate for that.
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  Speaker 2: You've got to be a member for a year before
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  Speaker 2: you can run up to that.
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  Speaker 1: You're right, but I actually reckon there's two separate parts
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  Speaker 1: to this. Obviously, you know, the conduct of the Darwin
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  Speaker 1: Turf Club has got to be looked at, and it
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  Speaker 1: has been looked at in the Eikak report. So there's
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  Speaker 1: that element of it, and the element of you know,
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  Speaker 1: the awarding of that tender to j Tex. But then
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  Speaker 1: the other part of this is how on earth did
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  Speaker 1: we wind up with a situation where the Chief Minister
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  Speaker 1: is walking into cabinet with a submission under his arm
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  Speaker 1: for twelve million dollars for a twelve million dollar grandstand
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  Speaker 1: and it's then being approved that day, Like if you
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  Speaker 1: believe Brett Dixon. He's given them, you know, they've given
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  Speaker 1: that detail that morning, it's then been approved that day.
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  Speaker 1: How does that happen?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean it makes a joke of everything he's done.
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  Speaker 2: Alf Leonardi, I mean alf Leonardi. Evidently you can't sack
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  Speaker 2: him enough. I mean, his crime is so heinous. It's
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  Speaker 2: hard to work out what Alfa Leonardi has done that
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  Speaker 2: was wrong. But anyhow, evidently elf Leonardi has done a
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  Speaker 2: crime that's so bad that he can no longer be
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  Speaker 2: the chief Minister's chief of staff. But he can also
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  Speaker 2: no longer go back to being a public service he servant.
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  Speaker 2: He's got to be sacked from that role as well.
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  Speaker 2: But the chief just it defies logic that the Chief
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  Speaker 2: Minister wouldn't have known, you know that he's once he's
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  Speaker 2: been given a submission three hours before he walks into
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  Speaker 2: the cabinet door that he's chief of staff. Wouldn't have said, listen,
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  Speaker 2: we've just cooked this little one up today.
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  Speaker 1: He did not, And if he didn't know, then what
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  Speaker 1: kind of chief minister are you? If you're not actually
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  Speaker 1: doing your homework? So which is it? You literally have
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  Speaker 1: no idea what's going on? Or you do actually know
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  Speaker 1: what's going on, because either way it doesn't look good.
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  Speaker 2: Your goose is cooked. Either way, absolutely, you know, just.
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  Speaker 4: Back a step is the police are investigating it, aren't they.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Freendiction says in his statement, and then he also
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  Speaker 1: right at the end, I think I want to.
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  Speaker 4: Be careful what I say because I haven't got enough
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  Speaker 4: money to pay it to us, to pay somebody for
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  Speaker 4: slandering them on a radio station.
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  Speaker 3: I'm actually.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just saying, but I'm just saying I'm going to
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  Speaker 4: be careful with what I say, obviously, because if I
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  Speaker 4: think the gap in the ikak as we've seen in
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  Speaker 4: other issues that have whether it's been the Keasyer Puric
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  Speaker 4: Terry Mills spat, which I understand has now been resolved
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  Speaker 4: and the police aren't going any further with it, does
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  Speaker 4: Keasier get reinstated as speaker, because now there's nothing to
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  Speaker 4: be seen here. So the col Gwynn affair like cole Gwyn's,
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  Speaker 4: I'll admit a conflict of interest. I'm a good friend
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  Speaker 4: of Colson and her reputation has been tarnished, and but
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  Speaker 4: yet nothing's come of that.
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  Speaker 3: It's just sitting in limbo.
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  Speaker 4: Do we need to have a resourced part of the
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  Speaker 4: police force which forensically looks at the IQAQ reports and
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  Speaker 4: goes through them quickly in order to find out if
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  Speaker 4: there is any wrongdoing, because at the moment you're getting
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  Speaker 4: people's reputations being trashed, but yet the police aren't coming
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  Speaker 4: in and you know from the pub test, fine or
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  Speaker 4: it doesn't pass the pub test.
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  Speaker 3: We all understand that.
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  Speaker 4: But if there's no criminal activity and there's no laws
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  Speaker 4: being broken, people's reputations are being absolutely trashed. So maybe
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  Speaker 4: they need to look at a part of resourcing, a
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  Speaker 4: part of the police where you have investigators that pick
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  Speaker 4: up the next stage of an icacink.
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  Speaker 2: There was a whole idea of the IICAC when they
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  Speaker 2: bought it in was to trash people's reputations and all
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  Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. That's the way it's that, that's
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  Speaker 2: the way it works in every other jurisdiction. It trashes
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  Speaker 2: people's reputations, all of that sort of stuff. It's why
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  Speaker 2: we're opposed to the creation of an i CAAC in
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  Speaker 2: the first place.
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  Speaker 6: Too.
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  Speaker 1: Though, the point I really want to go back to is,
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  Speaker 1: you know, is how did we end up in a
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  Speaker 1: situation where the cabinets approving a twelve million dollar grant
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  Speaker 1: without you know, without due process in the first place.
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  Speaker 2: By the look of things, well, can I say, I think,
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  Speaker 2: you know, in a large part the media has enabled
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  Speaker 2: this thinking that the turf Club can get away with anything.
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  Speaker 2: If you have a look at you know, my efforts
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  Speaker 2: in twenty fifteen around the turf trub kind of find
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  Speaker 2: some answers to some of these things. I called for
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  Speaker 2: an order of the books and all of that sort
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  Speaker 2: of stuff. I was absolutely pillaried in the media, absolutely pillary.
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  Speaker 2: The NT News wrote an editorial on me, saying I
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  Speaker 2: should be tongue tied because I had no clue what
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  Speaker 2: I was talking about.
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  Speaker 1: I think you still were allowed to come on here.
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  Speaker 2: Though, Dave I came on here. I put the case
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  Speaker 2: back there saying I was outraged. So there was fifteen
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  Speaker 2: million dollars more than the entire Department of Fisheries was
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  Speaker 2: getting going to thoroughbred racing Northern Territory, and I wanted
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  Speaker 2: to know where the money was going. All of a sudden,
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  Speaker 2: I'm pilloried. Now, you know those people who's sitting there
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  Speaker 2: doing those things back in twenty fifteen, I'm not saying
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  Speaker 2: there was misappropriation of money, but there was money just
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  Speaker 2: seemingly just going into a bottomless pit. Those people now
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  Speaker 2: felt enabled that they could get away with more. And
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  Speaker 2: you have a look at what's happened since twenty fifteen.
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  Speaker 2: I mean it's almost like there's no regard for any
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  Speaker 2: sensibilities at all. Like, you know, their funding has gone
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  Speaker 2: from twelve million to eighteen million. They've been funded for Silks.
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  Speaker 2: Silks have one hundred poker machines in there. How can
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  Speaker 2: you have one hundred paker machines? No other club is
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  Speaker 2: allowed more than forty five. How do they get a
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  Speaker 2: hundred out there? You know, there's all these questions and
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  Speaker 2: more and more and more just keeps getting shoveled into
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  Speaker 2: the turf, into thoroughbred racing and no answers. And you
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  Speaker 2: sit there and you go, oh, of course, why would
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  Speaker 2: Cabinet not just sign off it because they've been allowed
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  Speaker 2: to get away with this still of stuff for me
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  Speaker 2: listening fully enabled by the media.
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  Speaker 1: Out they're listening. Who aren't aware of your background? You
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  Speaker 1: were the Minister for treasurer obviously, yeah, you're the treasurer
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  Speaker 1: a treasure.
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  Speaker 2: And I want to know where the money was going.
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  Speaker 1: Well, look, there is more questions I think than answers
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  Speaker 1: at this point in time when.
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  Speaker 5: It comes to this situation.
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  Speaker 2: No, look, no I'm not going because it's it's you know,
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  Speaker 2: I've got a thing against horse racing or any of
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  Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. I'm not making a protest about it.
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  Speaker 1: Like I want to say that there are plenty of
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  Speaker 1: really good people that work, you know, in military, people
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  Speaker 1: in that industry. And I would say, you know, still
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  Speaker 1: if there are people listening thinking, oh we should I
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  Speaker 1: go to the ball, should I go to the cup? Yes,
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  Speaker 1: go go and support an event that's happening in the
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  Speaker 1: Northern Territory. You know, still got your.
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  Speaker 2: worth visiting. I said, well, a government's one hundred dollars
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  Speaker 1: Thing is like, there is no doubt that there's you know,
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  Speaker 1: there is a lot of questions that still need to
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  Speaker 1: be answered here. I don't think that this issue is
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  Speaker 1: going to go away in.
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  Speaker 3: A hurry flick through the report.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, it's not going to.
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  Speaker 11: one silver and Love and bronze in Rio and would
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  Speaker 11: be able to complete the set on the water today.
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  Speaker 11: The first ever Olympics surfing medals will also be awarded today.
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  Speaker 11: Owen Wright is currently in the water contesting his quarter
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  Speaker 11: final up against Peruz Luca Messidas right currently leading his
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  Speaker 11: quarter final. Sally Fitzgibbons in action a bit later this afternoon.
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  Speaker 11: Australia is also in metal contention in the dressage team
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  Speaker 11: event of the Equestrian and in the women's BNX cross country.
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  Speaker 11: Of course, the pool presents more opportunities for gold as well.
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  Speaker 11: Kaylee McEwen can tests her first final of these Games
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  Speaker 11: alongside Emily sea Bomb in the one hundred meters bank stroke,
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  Speaker 11: while Mitch Larkin is in action in the men's event
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  Speaker 11: elsewhere on this day. For Jian Fang Lay is back
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  Speaker 11: in action at her sixth Games. The mother of two
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  Speaker 11: will today compete in the third round of the table tennis,
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  Speaker 11: aiming to advance to the final sixteen for the first
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  Speaker 11: time out in the Olympics. Whe Kookaburs are about to
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  Speaker 11: take to the field against Argentina in the hockey. The
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  Speaker 11: Aussie men so far undefeated at the Games with wins
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  Speaker 11: against Japan and India. Tonight, the Matilda's returned to the
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  Speaker 11: field looking to make amends for their loss to Spain.
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  Speaker 11: That won't be easy as they come up against the
• 18:04
  Speaker 11: raiding World Cup champions in the United States. But now
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  Speaker 11: that is the latest on the action from Tokyo Recording
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  Speaker 11: you front.
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  Speaker 5: And center for all the game's action for six Tanks Brewery,
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  Speaker 5: your place to be for the Games, Mix one o
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  Speaker 5: four nine. If you want to know what's happening on
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  Speaker 5: the local political landscape, Katie Wolf has it covered on
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  Speaker 5: three sixty. Every one is Listening Mix one oh four
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  Speaker 5: point nine.
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  Speaker 1: It's seven minutes away from eleven o'clock and in the
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  Speaker 1: studio with us this morning, Dave Tolner and Damian Hale.
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  Speaker 4: I'bing down wolf, Are you right now?
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  Speaker 3: Ye on fire?
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  Speaker 4: Yet you thought I thought I was looking across at
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  Speaker 4: the treasurer.
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  Speaker 3: It's just wound walk back.
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  Speaker 2: I sort of got a bit wound up when she's
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  Speaker 2: talking about alf Leonardi. Like you know, alf Leonardi has
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  Speaker 2: been sacked twice. It's hard to imagine. I've now for
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  Speaker 2: a long time he's been on the opposite side of well,
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  Speaker 2: he's been on the opposite side of politics for me.
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  Speaker 2: But I've always found now an extremely honest, straight shooter,
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  Speaker 2: a bloke that you could sit down and have a
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  Speaker 2: serious practical discussion. And I just find it impossible to
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  Speaker 2: imagine that Michael Gunner wouldn't have a clue what alf Leonardi.
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  Speaker 6: Was up to.
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  Speaker 1: Clear, I've worked for Elf Leonardi. He's someone who at
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: you know, in my younger years, considered a friend. I
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  Speaker 1: haven't spoken to him in quite a long period of time.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how he is going, But I agree
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  Speaker 1: with you, I find it very difficult to believe that,
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  Speaker 1: as also having worked in a political office as all
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  Speaker 1: of us have, that a leader does not know how
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  Speaker 1: a staffer is operating or what a staffer is doing.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it was not a new one. I mean
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  Speaker 2: he was when I was a federal member. Alf was
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  Speaker 2: the chief of staff for Sid Stirling, who was a
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  Speaker 2: Deputy Chief Minister at the time and he was Education Minister.
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  Speaker 2: Little bit to do with Alf in those days as well,
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  Speaker 2: talking and Seid of course obviously his boss, about some
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  Speaker 2: of the education reforms and that sort of stuff that
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  Speaker 2: we're putting in a federal level. But I always found
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  Speaker 2: Alf absolutely a straight shooter, totally professional in his work.
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  Speaker 2: He wouldn't let politics get in the way of things.
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  Speaker 4: Like well, others will come out and say what they
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: think happened and shape the narrative, and there'll be one
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  Speaker 4: thing you know about him is he won't come out
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  Speaker 4: and say a word because he'll keep his integrity and
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  Speaker 4: his loyalty intact.
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  Speaker 3: And that's the way he's always been.
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  Speaker 4: So he's and Dave's right, he seems to be, you know,
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  Speaker 4: it's almost like double jeopard. He's been tried for the
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: same issue twice and he's lost another job. But one
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  Speaker 4: thing I know about him is he won't you know,
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: he won't try to save himself by throwing anyone under
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: a bus. And that's what Elf Leonard's about.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I tell you, we've just about run out of
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: bloody time I've had. I had so many other I
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: wanted to talk to you about the vaccine roll out
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  Speaker 1: around the nation and claims that you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, that's Prime Minister apologized, he's apologized. He sort of
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: said sorry. And when people apologize, I sort of drop it.
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  Speaker 4: Then I just think, well, how can we get back
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  Speaker 4: to normal? I worked it out about February that the
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  Speaker 4: only way I was going to get back to Balley
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  Speaker 4: for a bin tang was.
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  Speaker 3: If I've got vaccination, I'm ready to go. I'm on
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  Speaker 3: one A on.
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  Speaker 4: The first flight to Ballei and everyone's got But you know, Australia,
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  Speaker 4: sometimes I think we're the smartest country in the world,
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: and other times I think we're as dumb as dog droppings.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: And you've got all these vaxines and you've got people
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  Speaker 4: out processed.
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  Speaker 3: People lining up for testing, only getting tested. Why don't
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: we just walking along? Jack at the same time, like,
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: it's just ridiculous how Australia has gone on.
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  Speaker 2: People have to get a job. If they don't want
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: to get a jab, why do they.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: Have to get it? Can just stay then?
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  Speaker 2: Why do they have to start? Why can't they just.
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  Speaker 6: Get sick on you talking about these these people in protesting,
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  Speaker 6: you know, any lockdown protesters.
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  Speaker 2: I sort of looked at this phone. I said, Oh,
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  Speaker 2: I got to admit mate. I said, I'd probably be
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: one of them. You know what, horrorfied. I said. Look,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: I said, this lockdown stuff, it's just gone beyond the pile.
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  Speaker 2: It's just complete, not nonsense. And I think people are
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: waking up to the fact that it's just complete not nonsense.
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  Speaker 2: Like we've got vaccines, now go and get vaccinated. I'm
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: booked in, by the way, on you, so I'm not
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: an eighty vaccine. I don't understand why it's got to
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: be rammed into everybody and they have to get one
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: if they don't want to.
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  Speaker 4: It's one question for you, David Toler, and be honest
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: about this. Are you going to ride your bike down together?
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  Speaker 1: But he's only training for the short distance.
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  Speaker 3: PLAYO.
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  Speaker 2: He's skinny of electric bikes.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: He's scared of needles.
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: That's why he doesn't go and get it earlier.
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  Speaker 1: Will I tell you what? We are going to have
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: to leave it there. We've run out of time. It
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: is always great to have you two in the studio
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  Speaker 1: for the biggest you're listening to mix one O four
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  Speaker 1: point nine. That was the big issues