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1989 Revisited (feat. Munsi Parker-Munroe) · Academy Vs Audience

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_05: Hello listeners, sorry to have left you hanging a couple of weeks back, but due to some technical difficulties, we had to miss a scheduled episode.
• 0:07
  SPEAKER_05: And now, while Claire's in show and Aaron is in the director's chair, and Dan is off at Vancouver International Film Festival, looking into the potential Oscars nominees of 2027 by let me check my notes here, rewatching Coyote vs.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_05: Acme in theaters.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, that sounds like me.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_05: We present this throwback to our all eighties summer extended period when Muncie Parker Monroe swung by to talk chauffeur racism away, chasing down bad villains, and Mr.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_05: Indiana Jones.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_05: Enjoy.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_05: Since 1928, the Academy Motion Picture Arts and Sciences attended at awards what it considers the best film to the year.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_05: This is Academy vs.
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  SPEAKER_05: Audience, where we revisit all the best pictures and the box office champions.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_05: I'm Dan Gibbons with me, Zolies is Aaron Weir.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_05: How's it going, Aaron?
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_07: It's good, Dan.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_07: I bought lipstick today because it's National Lipstick Day, and I will leave that to our audience to figure out how far in advance we recorded this podcast.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_05: And Claire Bolton, what's up, Claire?
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_07: I did not buy lipstick today, but I did know it was International Lipstick Day.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_07: Instead, I dealt with summer camp teacher Colin and Sick at quarter to seven.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_07: Ooh, that's not early enough.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_07: It's it's both not early enough and early.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_07: Both of the times are wrong.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_07: Yep.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, and I was like, oh no.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_07: So I dealt with that all day.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_07: It was fun.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, we've made it through all 80s summer into all 80s early autumn.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_05: A very 80s Thanksgiving.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_05: What do you mean Thanksgiving's in November 80s?
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_05: But we can't leave the decade without a visit from our favorite they them, Munziey Parker Monroe.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_05: What's up, Munzie?
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_05: Hi!
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_02: I uh did not buy lipstick today because apparently our uh lipstick day updates are an important part of this show now.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_02: I am thrilled to participate in a year on this show that I was live during.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_07: Yay!
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yay!
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_07: We were all alive! We were all alive.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_05: We're very at that stage in the process.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_05: All alive.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_05: At that stage, we were alive when the movies came out.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_05: The actors who are in them are mostly alive and could come complain to us if they wanted to.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_07: They won't.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_07: We like them.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_07: It's not their fault the movie's bad.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_07: It's not their fault.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_07: They just did the acting.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_05: So wow, it took us 12 episodes to get Munzie back on.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_05: I hope we saved them a real banger of a best picture.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_05: Uh Aaron, what are we talking about?
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_06: No, it's not me.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_06: That can't be right.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_05: No, oh, it's Claire.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_05: It's Claire, isn't it?
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_05: Because I would have done 88.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_07: Don't cut this, Dan.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_07: Never cut this.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_07: Never cut it.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_07: Um, well, we are talking about some driving.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_07: And we're talking about driving a certain lady.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_07: And that lady's name is Miss Daisy.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_07: So Miss Daisy unfortunately cannot drive.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_07: She immediately crashes her car, backs it right on up into her neighbor's yard, and her son Dan Aykroyd says, No more driving for you.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_07: Insurance company won't like it.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_07: So, you know what I'm gonna do?
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_07: I'm gonna hire Morgan Freeman, and he's gonna drive you around.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_07: Miss Daisy does not like this.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_07: She is not for it one little bit.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_07: But through tenacity and employment, because he works for um Hulk, Morgan Freeman's character, works for Dan Aykroyd, who has a stupid name in this movie.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_07: It's like boobly or bubbly or booblay.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_07: It's one of those.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_07: It's not.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_07: It's not booblay.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_07: Anyway, he works for him and not for Miss Daisy.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_07: And then he drives her, and then they become best friends.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_07: And then they're 90.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_07: That's the whole movie, everybody.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_05: Yep, this is the touching story of how someone can learn to be less racist, accept love into their heart, if you really work at them for 30 years and also they have rapid onset Alzheimer's.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_05: So I guess um we didn't quite save Munsey a banger.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_02: We did not quite, but I did appreciate you having me on to enjoy 80s Fast and the Furious, in so much as they drive cars and become a family over time.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_07: They're best friends, Munsey.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_07: She says it.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_07: She says, Hulk, you're my best friend.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_07: She does have dementia, but she does know it's him.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_07: So who can say what the truth is?
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I think they are best friends because she has no other friends.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_07: She literally doesn't know anybody except for those Mahjong ladies.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_07: I was gonna say she has friends sometimes, her church friends.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_02: But then her temple gets bombed.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_06: It that does happen, and then she accepts Mart Martin Luther King into her heart.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, because she realizes that racism exists.
• 5:51
  unknown: Yes.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_07: They hate black people and Jewish people.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_07: What?
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_07: What?
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_07: Were both minorities?
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_07: Also is in super denial about that.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_07: Like even after the temple gets bombed, and Morgan Freeman's like, Well, you know the people, they're always the same kind of people.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_07: And she's like, Don't talk to me about this.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_07: I don't want to hear the sadness.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_07: And you're like, the police officer lied.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_07: And you're like, no, no, he's he's not wrong.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_07: He's not wrong.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_05: Tells a story about how the as a child his best friend's father got lynched, and they just came across him, and the movie is like just about something in that scene, which I respected.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_02: It is like in a distinctly late 80s kind of way.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_02: Like they definitely had a real point of view on racism, which was that it was bad.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_02: And then they had a real point of view on whose responsibility it was to do something about that.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_02: And the answer that they came back with was like black people have that responsibility, and they should do it on a one-on-one basis to make a single white person less racist, even if you have to spend your entire life doing it.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_02: And that is the only way that we as a culture will improve that I don't know holds up with time.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_07: Because they did really misappropriate that Martin Luther King Jr.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_07: quote where he's talking about the biggest problem being the appalling silence and indifference of the good people.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_07: And this is a very powerful quote.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_06: And the movie is so close to making a statement about like subtle and insidious racism and microaggressions and all of these things.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_07: But then it's really about Jessica Tandy being better.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_07: And and I feel like they, like I said, nothing happens in this movie.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_07: Like the most in like thing that happens is they get stopped by two police officers who are super racist and super anti-Semitic on their way to Mobile, Alabama, and then don't turn the right way.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_07: And that's like what she's like so upset about.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_07: And you're like, that that's uh something.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_02: And like a pleasant pastoral hangout between two elderly people who become friends would be an enjoyable movie under the right mood, but not if it's trying to tell you something.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_05: Not if it thinks making this powerful statement, although I do appreciate driving Miss Daisy says ACAP, but I do like that part.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_05: Immediately after that, she started telling Hoke he couldn't have a bathroom break after God knows how many hours on the road.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_05: So, you know, we stopped standing Daisy pretty fast.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_07: And then she's freaking out in the back of the car when he's gone for like two minutes, like the appropriate amount of time for a grown man in his 70s to pee, he is gone for, and she freaks out in the back of the car.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_07: I will say I felt like when I was watching this, there was something I wasn't getting because I felt like it was trying to make commentary about like the subtleties of racism and the complexities of interactions in the 1950s South.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, but then I never got what the commentary was.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_07: So I don't think I missed anything.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_07: Like I I think I understood it was like getting to somewhere, but then I didn't I didn't know what point it was making.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, and I've never read the play or seen the play, so I don't know if it's more developed in the play.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_07: Because this movie, like you said, Munzy, if you take away what they were trying to do, and it's just a movie about two people who don't really get along learning to get along, it's a really sweet movie.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_07: Like it's a really sweet movie.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there's like a gentleness to it, like it's it's pleasant and pastoral as long as there's nothing to it.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_02: Like as an empty calorie movie, if you're in like a bad mood and it's a Sunday afternoon, perfect.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_07: Right.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_07: But by him being black and by her being Jewish, they're doing something.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_07: Surely, and then that's the end of the sentence, because I don't know what the something is.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_07: Because it's other than the fact that they're both minorities.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_07: End of sentence.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_07: Like I don't it was like, hey, he's black and she's Jewish.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_07: End of sentence.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_05: So they're both afraid of Nazis, and her son, Bubba Litius or whatever it was, is afraid to support Martin Luther King, lest all the Georgia businessmen start dealing with New York Jews instead.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_07: Which is also a cool story, if that was the story, which it's not.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_07: It's not.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_05: It's a monologue, is what it is.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_05: It's not a story.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_02: There are a few times that you go, maybe this is the movie, but none of them wind up being the movie.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_07: No.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_07: No, it's just a lot of scenes.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_07: It's so many scenes.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_07: And like legitimately, nothing happens.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_07: The whole movie, nothing happens.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, there's no drama, right?
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_07: Like I because I I know what the 1950s, 60s, 70s South is, I kept expecting things to happen.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_07: Well, and I was like very anxious the entire time I was watching it.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it's hard to pretend that Alabama is like the extra racist Jim Crow South, but is it was it?
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_05: Was it Georgia?
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_07: Right?
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_07: And then they put Martin Luther King Jr.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_07: in there, and you're like, oh, maybe, and it is like in 1967, and you're like, oh, the assassination is coming up literally the next year, and time jumps all over the place in this movie.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_07: Like it's a it's a long period of time.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_07: So you're like, maybe they're gonna do something with the assassination, and so and then nothing, nothing, not even mentioned.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_07: Like after she goes to the dinner, he is never mentioned again.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_02: No, because they only want nice things, they want um the nice things that happened with race relations in the 1950s in the southern uh United States because they would like for you to give them um Oscars, please.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_02: They have uh an entirely white production team making a movie about race relations in Georgia in the 1950s, and they really would like for people even older than them to give them Oscars for that.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, because these these small interactions between two people who know each other for 30 years solve everything.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_07: People just knew each other for 30 years and taught each other how to read.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, yep.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_05: Teach them how to read, yell at him that he knows how to read and make him do it.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_07: Bully him into reading how reading works when she's like, it doesn't matter what's in the middle of B and R, and you're like, sometimes it does.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_07: You said the last name.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_07: There could be many different like bowers in this cemetery, it's a large cemetery, he might not find the right one.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_05: There's a couple ways bower can be spelled.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_07: He got he has B and he has R.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_07: The middle is kind of important.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_05: Another way this movie almost is about something, but then isn't is the Miss Daisy's whole refusal to seem wealthy.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_05: She doesn't put on airs, she doesn't want people thinking she's rich.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_05: There's a compelling story in an elderly Jewish woman who has witnessed everything that happened in Europe over the 30s and 40s from a distance, not wanting to seem wealthy.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_05: But that's not what they do with it.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_07: Doesn't the movie also start in like 42 or something?
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_07: It is 1948.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_05: It's 1948, and I'll tell you exactly how I know that because it's funny.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_05: Some point around the time they go to the Piggledy Wiggledy or whatever it's called.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_06: Piggly Wiggly?
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_06: Piggly Wiggly.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_06: What a name for a grocery store, right?
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_05: Believe that is a real name for a real chain of grocery stores.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_07: Yes, it is.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_05: In the background is the local movie theater, and on the marquee is the film Scotta Whoo, Scudda Hey, which is a real movie about two antagonistic stepbrothers working on their mother's farm and competing over a neighbor girl.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_05: And a tip of the cap who picked that movie for the marquee to indicate to the audience that it is 1948.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_05: Like, what's on the marquee?
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_05: What year is it?
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_05: 1948.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_05: Scuda Who, Scudda Hey, obviously.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_07: But neither of the movies we watched in 1948 are on there.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_05: No, Red Shoe is mostly played in New York.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_07: Look, as a person who cares a lot about the passage of time passage of time, I will say this movie does a pretty good job.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_07: Yes.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_07: They do pop up with like actual years on various things every so often.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_07: They use real historical events, they age Dan Aykroyd pretty well.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_07: Jessica Tandy starts as like a 72-year-old and ends as a 90-year-old.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_07: So what are you gonna do?
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_05: Yep.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_07: Yep.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_05: Little things like they go over to Bubba Hotep's house for Christmas, and he is very conspicuously listening to Santa Baby by Earth the Kitt, 1953.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_05: Or he holds up his trophy reading 1966.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_07: And they do, I will say, they do, because we've watched some movies where that is not the case, where all of a sudden you're 10 years in the future and you're like, How did we get to here?
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_07: What?
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_07: How did this happen?
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_05: When did Dimper Winger get another kid?
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_07: You don't know.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_07: She has so many.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_07: But this movie did a good job of giving you the like, because it is a passage of time movie, it is a friendship movie.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_07: They give you their passage of time.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_07: And I do, I will say, I do like how she doesn't, spoiler, she doesn't die.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_07: I do like the end where it's the two best friends eating some Thanksgiving pie.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_07: And the progression of their relationship makes sense over the length of time it takes.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_07: Which is 20 years.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_07: Yes.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_01: Do I like it?
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_02: But they're good at it.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_02: They are.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_02: Everyone here is good at their job.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_02: Like, including people I didn't expect to be.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_02: Is this a safe uh place for me to say something free of judgment?
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_02: I did not expect uh Dan Aykroyd to be like good in a understated dramatic role.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_02: In the 80s?
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_02: When he was like peak S NL.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_02: No, he's like, I like him and he's always good on screen and he always really pops, but I'd never seen him in anything that's not a comedy.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_02: And for just like play the kind of close-to-your chest third guy on the call sheet, uh straight type character really took me by surprise, and he kind of nailed it.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_07: I agree.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_07: I really like him in this in this movie, and I love the relationship he has.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_07: Once again, it's because it's a relationship movie, the relationships better be strong.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_07: I love the relationship he has with his mom.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_07: Because we've also watched movies that are bad at that mother-child relationship.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_06: All those mom-sung mouth kisses, right?
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_07: Jessica Tandy.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_05: Thank you for putting me to those.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_05: It's a lot of the 20s and 30s.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, it was very popular for a time.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_07: Just full-on mouth kissing your mom.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_07: But Jessica Tandy, she's not gonna do this.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_07: Jessica Tandy is actually 80 in this movie.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_07: And she I she is killing it.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_07: Like, she does so so well.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_07: She ages appropriately, her character sucks, but she like she embodies it, right?
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_07: Like, we all know that old lady who's like, no, I'm not prejudiced, but also those people love to steal.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_07: And by those people, I mean servants, obviously, not one group.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_05: If anything, I'm classist.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_07: That's better.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_07: Not rich, because you cannot be rich.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_07: I'm not rich.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_07: I just know people.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, the missing can be 72.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_02: The missing can was perfect.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_02: Like Jessica Tandy's nailing it with an unlikable character, which is the job that's been requested.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_02: And Dan Aykroyd is so sick of his mom's paranoid racist bullshit.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_02: And that was so relatable because by that point in the movie, so was I.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_06: When they figure out that he did eat the salmon, but then he bought a new one that was more expensive than the one that he ate because she bought it on sale, and she goes to get dressed, and then Dan Aykroyd just leaves, and that's the end of the scene.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_07: It's a great scene.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_07: I didn't like watching it, but it was so good.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_05: I'll tell you what I did like about that.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_05: Whenever she like found the can, the empty can, and then found the missing can in the pantry, and the musical sting hit like Poirot had just found the murder weapon.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_07: It's true.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_07: Yes.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_07: That was pretty funny.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_06: Can we talk about the music in this movie and how like aggressive fist hitting a wall every single under underscoring in this movie was?
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_07: Yep.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_07: It had its theme.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_07: Like it's oh my god, which I don't, it's gone from my brain now.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_07: Like when Morgan Freeman um goes, he's going to meet Dan Acker for the first time, and the elevator is like stuck in the wall, and he knows how to get the elevator out of the wall, and the music just like swells.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_07: Like he is embodying the this is offensive, but he's embodying the uh magical Negro stereotype.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, the music does the movie does that all the time.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yep, it does, it's inspiring.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_02: Is it no?
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_02: But they think that it is, and they would like some Oscars, please.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_06: A man is doing a thing, but the man is a part of some sort of minority, so magic, please.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_05: The music that played the first time I went to Epcot Center as an adult, which had a flourish every four seconds, as though they were trying to make sure that any time anybody crossed through the ticket counter, they were getting a huge musical flourish to welcome them into Epcot.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_05: But if you had to stand there and wait for your friends, you just got 12 musical flourishes in a row and they stopped being special.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_06: When he convinces her to get into the car, musical flourish, inspiring music, as if she was in chariots of fire.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_07: Right?
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_07: You're not wrong.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_02: God damn it.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_02: All Morgan Freeman wants is to be kind to you.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_02: Why can't you let him?
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_07: That's just what I was going to say.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_07: He's just like, I guess I'm gonna make like when he's dusting the light bulbs themselves, and she's like, How dare you dust light bulbs?
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_07: Get off that stepladder before somebody dies.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_07: And he's like, I'll know what to do trying to make myself useful.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_06: Do you guys want to dust your light bulbs after this?
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_06: Because I do.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_07: I was like, are my light bulbs dirty?
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_07: I didn't know they got dusty.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_07: I must be still getting bad at running a household.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_02: They get very bad at you.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_02: I changed the light bulbs in my uh foyer, and it's got one of those covers uh over it.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_02: And oh my god, the dust that will build up.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_07: And you're like, oh my god, Morgan Freeman was right.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_07: I must dust my light bulbs.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_02: Of course, Morgan Freeman was right.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_02: What is Freeman ever not been right?
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_07: I know.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_07: He told us about penguins marching, he told us how to dust light bulbs.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, he wasn't right in Now You See Me, and audiences were so thrown by it, they had to walk it back in Now You See Me too.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_02: I don't acknowledge that movie, Dan, because they didn't call it Now You Don't.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_02: And I think you know this.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_05: Clear lack of vision, as is the fact that they're making a thel that is not called Now You Three Me.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_07: I did like both of the Now You See Me's, but they have done all of this wrong.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_07: And if you watch them on Recover Dan, Aaron's here for you.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_07: I will I will do it.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_02: I'll be mad, but uh hear me out.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_02: Now you see me two is a remake of Now You See Me, and Now You See Me Three is a remake of Now You See Me and Now You See Me Two.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_05: Well, that's a slippery slope that ends in minion content.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_01: Uh listeners.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_02: Listeners, uh, get on uh get on Academy versus audience on uh Instagram and Twitter to let them know if you would love to see Dan in an unrelated podcast cover the three uh now you see me movies.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_02: You can also message Keith privately and should about how this should happen and how the guest should be Claire, not myself.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_07: I am here for this.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_07: I will be there.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_07: Um, would you guys like to know how old Morgan Freeman actually was in this movie?
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_07: Yes, please.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_07: Uh 51 to 52.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_07: Uh amazing.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_07: That's why he always looks the same.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_07: He also started his acting career like quite quote unquote late in life, right?
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_07: Like he yeah.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_07: He didn't start until his mid-40s question mark.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_06: That seems right.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_06: But he's Jeff definitely no Jessica Candy playing this role at 80.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_06: Right.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_06: Which is insane.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_06: An 80-year-old woman in a movie.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_06: Hollywood hates women who are over 30.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it is a little amazing that they didn't cast Michelle Pfeiffer in this role.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_07: Uh yes, but I mean, she's going to come shortly in uh Batman as a catwoman.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_02: Imagine if we'd swapped those two actors.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_07: It would have been wild.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_07: Jessica Tandy as Catwoman.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_07: She's living those nine lives.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_07: She's living them delicately.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_05: Annie DeVito must remain every bit as horny in her presence.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_07: Obviously.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_07: Oh, absolutely.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_06: Like for the record, Gloria Stewart and Titanic, which we will talk about in eight years, and will be the best podcast of my life.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_07: Was like 87.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_07: Well, this Gaty is doing amazing.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_07: She is.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_05: Considering that Gloria Stewart was a famed co-star of Mr.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_05: Edward Cantor.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_00: Munzie, are you coming back for Titanic?
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_02: The best year of my life.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_02: Am I coming back for I don't know what I'm doing in the 90s.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_02: Jen doesn't have to be a good one.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's true.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, it's it's it's gonna be a fun surprise for a minimum one of us.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_07: Ah I don't have much more about this movie, to be honest.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_05: My final note was wait, Hok had a family?
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, I guess he talked about his grandchildren in the first scene.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_07: And he does wear a wedding ring the whole movie.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_07: But it's not about him, it's about Miss Daisy.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_06: The movie is named after her.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_05: It's about Miss Daisy seeing him as a person.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_05: So let's not learn too much about him.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_07: No.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_02: That's yeah, that is where they went with it.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I did have I did have a couple more notes if we're buzzing through and then going on to stats.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_07: Yes.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_02: Because I just want to bring up that Jessica Tandy way overconfidently running her car through her neighbor's yard and then blaming the car itself.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's like super relatable content to me.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_02: Like we've all been there.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, perfection.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_06: A plus.
• 27:22
  unknown: Yeah.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_07: I also love how her neighbors like down a tiny little embankment.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_07: So she not only backs up but like backs down a hill and like takes out a birdbath and like a tricycle.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_06: That hill has never been there before.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_07: That hill is brand new.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_02: The hill is new, the car doesn't double it.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_02: Perfect.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_02: It's perfect.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_01: Cool.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um, also, I will admit that jumping from Idela dropping the peas in slow motion directly to the funeral did something for me.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_02: Like, that was a really solid camera transition.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, it was.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_06: And you feel like while they were watching TV for the first time.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_07: I really liked Adela.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_07: Like, I honestly really liked her character.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_07: I loved how sassy she was.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_07: I love how she refused to use an electric vacuum because she's like, shocks me, not gonna use it.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_07: I was like, Yes, I love this woman.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_07: And then just Jessica Tandy will not replace her.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_07: Nope.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_05: Nope.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_05: She'll just do it herself.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_05: Just learn to fry that chicken her own self.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_05: And it will go mad.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_06: And she'll make food for her driver, which the the movie is the movie, but that moment really got me when she made dinner for her driver.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_07: It's really cute.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_02: That's the thing.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_02: Like, this movie isn't a story so much as a series of moments, but like a lot of them are really fun, good, affecting moments.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_02: Just don't happen to contextualize with each other.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_07: No, and if you do watch it just like as two people becoming best friends, it's sweet.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_07: It's a really sweet movie.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_07: It's not let's win the Oscar sweet, but it's a sweet little movie.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_07: Let's just like take all the years away.
• 29:05
  unknown: Right.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_07: There's no context, it's just people.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_07: Right?
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_07: Just people learning to be best friends.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_02: I think I've almost talked myself around to enjoying this movie.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_07: Like I will say, I know we've been poking fun, but I do like the movie.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_07: It's I've seen it before, but it's not one I would ever go out and be like, gotta watch this movie.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it does everything it's trying to do.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_02: It's just not ambitious enough.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_05: It could have tried to do a few more things.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_07: And if I thought about it too much, it made me upset.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_07: And by too much, I mean any, I think.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_07: Just don't think about it.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_07: Watch it like a superhero movie where it's two people learning to be best friends.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_02: I would watch that if they made it into a superhero movie.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_07: Where power is learning to drive, like both of them just driving.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_02: Driving Miss Dayton, but it's Ghost Rider.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_06: Also, guys, do you know you have to call a cab two hours in advance?
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_06: That cannot be true.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_05: Small town Georgia in the 40s.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, oh no.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_05: There's only one cab, but he's two towns over.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_05: All the cab drivers went to war.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_05: Only a couple of them came back.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_07: Anyone can drive a cab, Dan, except for a woman.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_07: It's true.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_05: It's Jim Crow, Georgia.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_05: I very few people can drive cabs.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_07: If you are a white man, you can do it, but you're not gonna.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_07: You got one leg, that's fine.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_05: Got one leg and you got hooks for hands, that's fine.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_07: A okay by me.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_05: Long as you're not too Irish.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_07: That's true.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_07: I feel like this is like a real genre of movie for us where we're like the filmmaking is good, the movie is nothing.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_05: There that is a whole thing that happens.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_05: And sadly, it does really populate the best picture section of this podcast a fair amount.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_05: Oscar voters love exquisitely prepared empty calories.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_07: Accurate statement.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_05: You feel good and you think you've learned something.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_05: That was enough for this movie to get nominated for nine Oscars.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_05: Cool, so many.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_01: That's so many.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_05: Of which it won four.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_05: Picture that's still too many.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_05: Lead actress for Jessica Tandy, adapted screenplay, and best makeup for making quite old Jessica Tandy into hella old Jessica Tandy.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_07: And Dan Aykroyd.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_05: Also gradually aging Dan Aykroyd to indicate the passage of time.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_05: That was good.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, their makeup was good.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_07: Their old age makeup, I will give them a solid A on that.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_02: I buy, I buy two of those Oscars.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_02: Like the makeup one, and let's put a Oscar on Jessica Tandy.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, I agree.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_07: Especially because I feel like she's an actor who is like let down a lot.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_06: I know her uh her long-term partner, Hume Croyne, I think that's his last name, boycotted the Stratford Festival because they never asked Jessica to act with them.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_06: Right?
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_07: So I feel like her life was like a lot of letdown.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_07: So good for her.
• 32:32
  unknown: Yeah.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I definitely Googled part way through the movie.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_02: Jessica Tandy's kind of nailing this.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I vaguely remember there being a Jessica Tandy songs.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_02: What happened with Google?
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_02: Google, oh, I see the thing that happens to 80-year-olds.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_02: But I'm glad she won an Oscar on the way.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_07: Me too.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_07: Because she did a really good job at this role.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_07: She was given a script and she did that script.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_07: She did.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_05: It lost art direction, costume design, editing, lead actor for Morgan Freeman, and Dan Aykroyd lost supporting actor.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_05: But she said, Well, I guess dramatic roles aren't working.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_05: I'm going to go make nothing but trouble with John Candy and Jeffy Chase.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_05: And well, that might not have been the best call.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_01: Lose Brothers Forever.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_05: Couple interesting facts.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_05: This is the first movie since Grand Hotel 67 years earlier to win Best Picture without even being nominated for Best Director.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_05: Three have managed it since.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_05: It is also, time of recording, the last Best Picture with a PG rating.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_05: Everything since has been PG 13 or higher.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_07: And the PG rating makes sense for this.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_07: It's why it doesn't do anything or go anywhere.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_07: It's PG.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_07: This track.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_07: Oh, the incident with the police that should have been a thing.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_07: And it wasn't, it just it kept on driving.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_07: Yep.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_07: That scene could be removed and it would make no impact on the movie at all.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_05: Any scene could.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_05: This is true.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_05: Pretty much.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_05: This is true.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_05: It's not a house of cards, it's just pickup sticks.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_05: You pick one up, you take it out, you still have a big old pile of sticks.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_05: It uh won the Golden Globe for Best Musical Comedy, but it lost the following year's BAFTA to Goodfellas.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_07: Well, Goodfellas is a good movie.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it's a good fellow.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_05: And uh Lost to Goodfellas isn't something we're gonna be saying very often, so savor that.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_05: It feels good.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_05: Time of recording, Rotten Tomatoes ranks this 77th out of 97 best pictures.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_05: Right over Ben Hur.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_05: I uh moved it to number 73 under an American in Paris and over Terms of Endearment.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_07: Terms of Endearment was both of those are movies I didn't like a lot, so that seems yeah, right.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_02: It belongs in the same range as American in Paris because it wasn't good, but it was nice.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_07: Far lessing though.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_07: When I watched Terms of Endearment, I shouted, Why am I watching this a lot?
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_07: And I think I also did that with this movie.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_07: It wasn't bad, but why was I watching it?
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_07: Why didn't this one had a better mother-child relationship than Terms of Endearment?
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_07: Because that was also a let's make out with my mom moment.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_07: But like, would he though?
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_07: He wouldn't.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_07: Dan Aykroyd would not make it with no, he only wanted to make it with Patty Lapone.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, that's all he wanted.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_07: But like, who wouldn't?
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_07: I want to make it with Patty Lapone.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_07: Patty friggin' Lapone, yo.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_05: It's a compelling argument, yeah.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_05: Our other nominees.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_05: Oliver Stone follows up Platoon with Born on the Fourth of July, an anti-war biopic of a paraphlegic Vietnam vet played by Tom Cruise, which won Stone Best Director.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_05: I'm very glad I didn't watch that.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_07: I've never seen it, and it seems like not something I would enjoy.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_07: Even though this is Tom Cruise before he slid into madness.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_05: I've heard a lot of good things about it, but uh Oliver Stone literally put me into the hospital with natural born killers.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_05: I was fine, I was fine, I was fine.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_05: I saw natural born killers, I have an inflamed appendix.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_05: Oh.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_07: I'm not laughing at you.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_07: I'm laughing at that whole scenario.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_05: Were there possibly other symptoms earlier?
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_05: Who's to say?
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_05: Maybe.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_05: I'm just looking at the timeline and saying that movie was so bad it made part of my body explode.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_01: Cool.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_05: Dead Poet Society, in which Robin Williams attempts to inspire a boarding school classroom as a surprisingly high body count.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_07: That could have been fun.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_07: Never seen that.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_07: That was fun.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_02: I vaguely remember that one.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_07: That's where he stands on the desk and does that rousing speech, right?
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_07: Oh, Captain My Captain.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_07: There we go.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_05: Captain My Captain.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_05: Inspires a key recurring character from the first season of Community.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_07: Yes.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_07: And undergrads.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_07: Anyone else?
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_07: Cartoon undergrads?
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_02: You know I know undergrads.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_07: For a long time.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_07: Oh, it was good.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_07: Oh.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_05: John Mullaney's choice, Field of Dreams, in which Kevin Costner is a farmer who builds a baseball diamond in his fields to lure famous ghosts, which somehow goes well.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, if you build it, they will come.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_07: So God, so many movies came out this year.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_07: I've also never seen Field of Dreams, but you just know that.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_07: That's one of those things you know deep down in you.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_05: And My Left Foot, in which Daniel Day Lewis begins chasing Oscars in a biopic of Christy Brown, a painter whose cerebral palsy left him with control of only one foot.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_05: Sorry, Morgan Freeman.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_05: This is exactly what the Oscars are into.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_07: And then it's Daniel Day Lewis Forever, who I refuse to support.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_07: Method acting sucks.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_07: Get out of here.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_07: It's so harmful.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_07: It's so harmful.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_07: Literally, people have died.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_05: Moving on.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_05: Now, we've been watching as Academy and Audience fall further and further apart, with the exception of last episode, when they had themselves a fling to see if they could rekindle things.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_05: But not only did they not, uh we begin to hit a point where even the audience portion of this podcast starts splitting apart because people started paying a lot more attention to international box office gross.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_05: As said on The Simpsons, the international market was becoming more important than ever.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_05: So you begin to start to see when you research box office champions that sometimes the domestic box office, that being US and Canada, and the international box office go different ways.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_05: And this is the first time that happened.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_05: And we simply could not be asked to choose.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_05: Do you have any thoughts on Tim Burton's Batman?
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, kids, gather around.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_02: I'm here to explain that.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_07: We're here, Munsey.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_02: You see, uh when a man and a woman love each other very much, they share a very uh special hug.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_02: And then nine months later, a baby is born, and then twelve years after that, both the man and the woman are killed by a mugger coming out of the mask of Zorro, or sometimes the opera, and their child is forced to witness the double homicide.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_02: Pearls hit the ground in slow motion, scattering in all directions.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_02: And in that moment, the child makes a promise that he will become something more than a man.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_02: He'll become a symbol, a symbol of hope to the beleaguered citizens of Gotham, and one that strikes spear in the hearts of criminals and evildoers.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_02: He shall become the Batman.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_02: Oh and that children is where Batmans come from.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_02: And if any parents out there listening at home are upset that their children are learning where Batmans come from from a podcast, then you should have taught your children about Batmans yourself.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_02: If they don't learn it at home, they're gonna pick it up online.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_07: I love that.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, so Tim Burton slash the director of this movie definitely set the first scene to be like, hey, if you don't listen to the dad say Jimmy, the opening scene is a Batman story, right?
• 40:55
  unknown: Yes.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_05: Very clearly a direct parallel to the Batman origin.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_07: Yes.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_07: And then you get Batman, Michael Keaton's Batman, coming on in to beat up those muggers very poorly.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_07: He beats them up very poorly because he gets knocked out like immediately.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_07: He flies down and then is like punched in the face and he gets knocked out.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_05: They shoot him a few times.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_07: Michael Keaton's Batman is continually punched out.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_07: He is.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_07: He's so bad at fighting.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_05: His body armor can stop bullets, but not in a way that keeps him from falling over in an often undignified fashion.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_07: But it's only in his like leotard area.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_07: And then he just goes down like a rock, and sometimes he stays down for so long that the bad guys are almost able to peel the mask off and reveal who he is.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_06: The bad guys or the good guys.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_06: Vicky Vale also almost does it.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_06: It's true.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_02: Not just any random goons almost take his mask off.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_02: We're talking about Bob, the main goon.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_06: It's true.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_06: Can we talk about how good the goons in this movie are, though?
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_06: They dance and he's name their mun seed.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_07: The one guy whose sole job it is is to carry the boom box.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_07: And because it's 1989, it is a friggin' like four-foot-long boom box.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_06: And they dance.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_06: They just dance as they do destruction.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_05: There is such high job satisfaction on this crew.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_05: Despite the fact that a lot of them are really putting their heart and soul into defacing this museum.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_05: They're getting creative, they're doing full designs.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_05: In comes Larry with a bucket of paint, and like, come on, man.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_07: Right?
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_07: They're like, Larry, come on.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_07: I was drawing weird hats on these little ballerina girls.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_05: At least bucket one nobody's worked on already.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_07: And Prince did all the music.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_07: So, I mean, I would bop out if Prince wrote me an evil destroy a museum song.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_05: Party Man is so good.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_07: So good.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_01: Old.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_05: Prince wrote a concept album about this movie, including The Bat Dance, which is an overture to a concept album about Batman, which fascinates me.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, what fascinates me more is that it's a thing that nobody asked him to do.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_02: He was asked to contribute a song to play during the closing credits.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_07: And Prince is like, I take that challenge and I accept.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_07: And they're like, what do you mean by that, Prince?
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_07: And then this is what happened.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_02: At some point, Prince's Record Label is going to release the five-hour version of the Batman soundtrack.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_02: And I will listen to it starting the stroke of midnight on a work day.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_05: So will I, because there are bits of Bat dan.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_05: That don't correlate to any other song in the soundtrack.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_05: So I want to know what that song that was from.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_05: And is it a Bruce Wayne perspective?
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_05: Is it a Joker perspective?
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_06: Well, that scene where Joker has like convinced Vicky Vale to go to the art gallery that looks like no art gallery that has ever existed.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_06: It looks like a bank with art on the wall.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_06: And then he puts on his like human-colored makeup and his artist hat, and they just dance around until they destroy her.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_06: I am have never been so glad that I saw a scene in a movie until I saw that.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_07: It's like so ridiculous, but exactly what you want from this movie.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_07: Like that scene, you're like, yes, this movie, that is a movie that needs this scene.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_07: Why does he put on the flesh tone makeup?
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_07: Who can say?
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_06: It's so that she can throw the water in his face.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_06: And then he's gonna have a Wizard of Oz moment.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_05: This is their first date.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_05: He's leading her into some of the facts about his situation.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you don't want to come in all the way hot on your very first date.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_06: But she saw him on the TV.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_06: He already did a TV thing before that.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_07: And he brings his other girlfriend.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_07: He has his other girlfriend with Jerry Hall.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_07: She is there with her mask.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_02: Me and my drugged disfigured hostage saw you from across the bar.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_02: And we dig your vibe.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_07: Also, he totally pushed her out the window, right?
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_07: She didn't just jump out that window, he pushed her.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, 100%.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_06: She was bought into his cult.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_07: She said, Babe, I thought you would let me see you wreck the art.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_05: She was there after whatever he did upon coming home from the chemical factory and murdering her primary boyfriend.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_06: Oh god, Jack Nicholson was having so much fun in this movie.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_07: And this is the role for him.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_07: Like he's a creepy weirdo.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_07: And every movie we've seen him in, he's a creepy weirdo.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_07: And you're like, yes, this.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_07: This is the role for you, creepy weirdo, Jack Nicholson.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_07: This.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_05: This is basically just a hybrid of cuckoo's nest in terms of endearment, crank to 11.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_07: Right?
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_05: And the uh Witches of Eastwick.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_07: Oh yeah.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_06: Where he's sexy and also creepy.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_02: Sexy and also the literal Christian devil.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_02: Are you ready for some black fucking Nicholson?
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_02: Because everyone else.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_06: I forgot about that movie.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, I love that movie in my heart.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_05: Don't know that I've ever seen that.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_05: I've only seen the 2010s TV series remake with Dew South Paul Gross as the literal Christian devil.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_06: I do like Paul Gross as the devil.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_05: But he's Rebecca Roman as one of the witches.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, he is not 80s Jack Nicholson.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_07: That is that is correct.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_05: True.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_05: Few are.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_05: That's true.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_07: Okay, but also, so if we're gonna talk about like, we talked about the strengths of this movie, Jack Nicholson.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_07: Michael Keaton is not the best Bruce Wayne.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_06: No.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_06: Or the best Batman, right?
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_05: He's still a top-tier Batman for me, even if the suit means that he can't move, and all the fights have to imply that he can just punch someone really hard once, and then the job is done.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_02: Michael Keaton definitely benefits from me being literally a child when this movie came out.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_02: They will say.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_07: Other batmans not?
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_07: I agree with that, Munzie.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_02: I like his like vulnerable dissociative Bruce Wayne, who's just doing his best and wants to be liked.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_02: I think that kind of works for me.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_07: Okay, yeah, that's fair.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_07: I am too young, so his awkward weirdo Bruce Wayne.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_02: Is that that's what something would be if they learned masking, but not internality under it?
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, so also my introduction to Batman was from like a 1999, probably Cosmo article, where they got all of the Batmans with their masks on and put them in front of us, and they were like, whose lips and chins look better?
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_07: I remember this article.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_07: Right, yes, exactly which one you're speaking of.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_07: And the winner was Val Kilmer.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_07: It was Val Kilmer, and also Val Kilmer and then George Clooney are like the Batmans that we know.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_07: This is because that's our like peak Batman watching time as children.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_07: And then like Christian Bale, it was like, oh, oh, Batman can be like this.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, he can be wrong and bad.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_07: Oh.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_07: But like maybe if we had Michael Cain, because I was like two when this movie came out.
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_07: Maybe we have Michael Keaton first.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_06: Like maybe maybe we'd have a different Bruce Wayne's.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_02: Because for me, it was definitely like some combination of Michael Keaton and Kevin Conroy in terms of my Batman needs being met.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_02: Because by the time that you know Dark Knights came out, I was too old to imprint upon a Batman.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_02: Fair.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_07: But like the Batman voice, though.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_07: Christian Bale's voice is what I know.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_07: I am Batman.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_05: We'll get to that.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_05: We'll get to that down the road.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_05: Believe you me.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, if you have me back to do Dark Knight Returns, I will do the same synopsis, word for word.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, it works.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_07: It works for that movie too.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_04: It still applies.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_07: That's all you need for a superhero kind of origin movie.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_07: Kind of not, because the comics have been around and the TV show had been around for ages prior to this.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_05: Yep.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_05: I do appreciate that.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, they do show us the Wains getting killed, which is to set up something else about the Joker that's part of one of my larger overarching notes on this particular Batman.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_05: But I do appreciate that they don't open with the origin.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_05: There's in fact only one out of 11 cinematic Batman movies that doesn't open with him already Batmanning full-time.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_05: So yeah.
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_05: They trust us to know the origin so hard that they presented us with a doppelganger family and trusted us to get it.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_07: Yep.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_07: And you would be like these silly Waynes walking out of the theater trying to hail a taxi, you dumb dumbs.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_07: You're too rich.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_02: Absolute rubs.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_02: You deserve to be mocked.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_07: But like I do like the parallel that the Joker is like, you made me.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_06: And then Batman's like, no, you made me.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_06: I know it's dumb and schlocky and home cookie, but bully did it get me.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_05: I love that Joker starts making fun of it.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, right?
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_04: Kid my killed.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_04: I say you made me, you gotta say you made me first.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_04: Childish.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_07: I also okay.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_07: Let's talk about how hunchback of Notre Dame that whole cathedral scene was.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_02: What a gorgeous cathedral.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_02: Every part of Gotham is so beautiful.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_02: Like it is just perfect stage setting for like the content of what's about to happen.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_02: It is Tim Burton all the way on his Tim Burton bullshit.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_06: Right?
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_06: Tim Burton found beautiful places.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_06: Vicky Vale's apartment makes zero sense.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_06: No sense.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_02: None of it makes sense.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_06: Is it a hotel?
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_06: Is it an apartment?
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_06: Who cares?
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_06: It's beautiful.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_07: Also, she likes just arrived in Gotham.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_07: How does she own this apartment in Gotham?
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_07: She's only there temporarily.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_07: Who knows?
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_07: Who cares?
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_07: Beautiful.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_07: Yep.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_02: As an aging uh 90s Molgoth, I got a high threshold for stupid Tim Burton bullshit.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_02: Fun fact about the cathedral, uh, that MC Escher looking staircase that they take up the stairs.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_02: It's Chelsea's favorite part of this movie.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_07: Oh it is good.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_07: It's just so Also, this cathedral has never been used.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_07: Question mark.
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_05: Well, people don't go up to the bell tower very often.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_05: Or at least they don't jump around it.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_07: Or but also the pews.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_07: He knocks over those pews that are like covered in dust, and there's also like a fallen statue at the entrance to the staircase.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_07: So I'm like, do people not use this cathedral in the morning?
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_06: It's a Gotham.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_06: No one lives there.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_06: They want the towns to come back.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_07: It's true.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_02: There were three people attending service at the cathedral.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_02: There was the guy with knives on his feet.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_02: There was the guy who crashed through the floor.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_02: And there was the guy who was good at fighting.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_02: Big guy who's good at fighting.
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_02: Because otherwise, when did those guys come from?
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_07: There's also the flippy Asian guy.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_07: He's in most of the fights.
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_07: But oh I I agree.
• 53:31
  SPEAKER_07: Because how did they get there when the Joker's like, give me 10 minutes, pick up for two?
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_07: And you're like, clearly, you're the only two who've gone up this bell.
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_07: Oh, wait, there's more?
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_07: There's henchmen.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_07: Were they hiding at the top of the bell tower?
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_05: They didn't go to the ball.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_07: The joker knew they were gonna end there.
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_05: It's not like they jogged past Batman on their way up.
• 53:50
  SPEAKER_07: No, they were already up that bell tower.
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_07: The movie is dumb.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_07: It's dumb, but it's good dumb.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_02: It's so good.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_07: Is and it's nostalgic, good dumb.
• 54:01
  SPEAKER_05: I didn't have to be have the most threatening arrival of mimes, but not by a wide margin.
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, those mimes are they are doing their job.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_07: They are distracting.
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_02: Those are great murder mimes.
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_07: Right?
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_07: Like, if you live in a city where no one cares if creepy mimes mimes show up, you gotta leave that city.
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_07: That is a bad place to live.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, a lot of people should have had a lot of questions.
• 54:29
  SPEAKER_07: I I always truly do wonder who literally lives in Gotham.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_07: Because Gotham, like in the the like origination of how like it's Chicago, when Chicago was just like the worst place to live ever.
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_07: And then people are like, ugh.
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_07: And I'm always like, who lives here?
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_07: Like, literally, you got super villains every day.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_07: Your district attorney, he's gonna be one.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_07: You don't know it yet, but he's gonna turn into one.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_02: Do you know else who who else suggests everybody get the hell out of Gotham because there's different villainy?
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_02: Literally, Jack Nicholson before he gets dumped into Kenneth's screw.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_02: I have it on my notables.
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_02: Decent people shouldn't live here, they'd be happier somewhere else, which is an incredibly fair point for him to make.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_07: Yes.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_07: And then he really winds up insane.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_07: I also do really love this like weird film noir thing they've got going on.
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_07: That like is film noir, but Tim Burton did it.
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_07: Like it's you're like, okay, I see where you're going.
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_07: Like you you're you're going for that genre, but also you're Tim Burton, so you Tim Burton that.
• 55:41
  SPEAKER_07: So it's not true film noir, but I I can see it.
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_07: I can see that.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_02: The man knows what he likes, and it is gargoyles.
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_07: Mm-hmm.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_07: Mm-hmm.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_02: So many gargoyles.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_07: I also really had to laugh out the moment where he was bat and was like, look, you can have his germs or whatever, but like it's when you mix it, when you have a hairspray that mixes with lipstick, and you're like, oh, movie.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_06: Those two things don't touch.
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_05: Well, I think it's that you you absorb each individual part of the chemicals get absorbed through the skin, and in your system become spy-ex.
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_07: They just framed it poorly.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_07: They really did.
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_07: And then it's so funny because only the two newscasters look like actual gargoyles, and everybody else in all of Gotham is still fine.
• 56:36
  SPEAKER_05: Dude Newscaster is breaking out.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_05: He's got giant zits now.
• 56:41
  unknown: Right.
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_06: You can use your old makeup, the stuff you bought like three months ago that has not caused the incident yet.
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_06: That's fine.
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_06: Use your critical reasoning.
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_07: I like how the female uh broadcaster hasn't brushed her hair, and you're like, the hairbrush is okay.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_05: Brushes can't be poisoned.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_05: I don't think they poison your brush, no.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_07: The thing that is in your home, your own personal hairbrush is fine.
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_02: I think we can all agree that the whole ply smilex plot uh is good, makes sense, and works when you remember that at his core the Joker wants everyone decent and good to get the hell out of Gotham City.
• 57:29
  SPEAKER_02: Why are you people still here?
• 57:31
  unknown: Yeah.
• 57:32
  SPEAKER_07: He said it before.
• 57:37
  SPEAKER_05: I also liked how it's not really about the money anymore.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_07: No, it wasn't about the money, it's just about his insanity.
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_07: He gives away$25 million just in like one dollar bills.
• 57:49
  SPEAKER_07: I also liked how in the iconic scene of this movie where he's gotten his plastic surgery, and the surgeon's like, um, just so you know, things might be complicated.
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_07: And he reaches out and he gets the mirror and he asks for the mirror and gets the mirror and he laughs and he laughs and he laughs, just like The Simpsons did.
• 58:09
  SPEAKER_06: You see his wrists, and his wrists are a normal skin color.
• 58:15
  unknown: Yeah.
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_06: And then never again in this movie will Joker's skin be normal skin color.
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, they missed it.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_06: Because they don't care about that.
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_06: No.
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_06: Because this movie is about nonsense.
• 58:26
  SPEAKER_06: And the nonsense, it happens.
• 58:29
  SPEAKER_07: Can I say how well labeled the city of Gotham is?
• 58:32
  SPEAKER_07: When the goons are breaking into that file office in the chemical plant, it's literally labeled file office, not just office, not no label, it's literally labeled file office.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_02: That's the stuff.
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_07: And then the surgeon who's like, I don't know, in a basement in somewhere is literally labeled surgery.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_05: And you're like, just a simple mob surgeon basement.
• 59:01
  SPEAKER_07: This is all I have to work with.
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_07: You're like, you have a sign, it says surgery, it's on the door.
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_07: This is not a basement.
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_02: God, it's so dumb.
• 59:17
  SPEAKER_02: It's so good.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_02: It's so good.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_02: I need I need I need y'all to rank three things for me.
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 59:25
  SPEAKER_02: The acid squirting uh flower, the electrocuting joy buzzer, or the hilariously overlong gun.
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_07: I love the flower.
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_07: The flower is my favorite, mostly because the acid is not strong enough to burn a hole in a wall, but strong enough to corrode the joints on a bell immediately.
• 59:45
  SPEAKER_07: That's pretty good.
• 59:47
  SPEAKER_05: Yep, maybe he upgraded flowers between scenes.
• 59:51
  SPEAKER_05: I definitely put that up there.
• 59:52
  SPEAKER_05: The the giant comically oversized gun barrel can bring down the bat wing with one bullet because maybe Bruce should have hired someone to build that.
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_06: That's not how guns work, though, Dan.
• 1:00:05
  SPEAKER_06: That goes last.
• 1:00:07
  SPEAKER_06: You can't make a gun longer, and that makes it more powerful than someone.
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_04: Otherwise is what gives the bullet his voice.
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_04: Who would ever use a saw-off shotgun if that's how guns work?
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_07: Right?
• 1:00:21
  SPEAKER_07: And then it's also, let's not forget that it's a retractable gun because he does later push it in.
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_07: So it's a retractable gun.
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_07: It's also good for one shot because the next shot he fires is just the little flag.
• 1:00:35
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, so that bringing out the Batwing was less about how good that gun is, and more just further proof of how shodly constructed the Batwing was.
• 1:00:43
  SPEAKER_05: The targeting computer is a piece of garbage.
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, it's on the deadlock on Joker, and you hit him zero times.
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_07: You literally shot around him.
• 1:00:53
  SPEAKER_06: Look, Batman spends this entire movie ignoring Albert.
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_06: A girl has figured out your secret identity.
• 1:01:01
  SPEAKER_06: Just tell her.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_06: No, she figured it out though.
• 1:01:05
  SPEAKER_05: Gonna have to point out it's Alfred, not Albert.
• 1:01:08
  SPEAKER_07: Oh, did I say Albert?
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:01:12
  SPEAKER_07: This Alfred is great, though.
• 1:01:15
  SPEAKER_05: It's a good Alfred.
• 1:01:16
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:17
  SPEAKER_05: He's a good enough Alfred that he survives the transition from Burton to Schumacher, which is not something you can say about this Commissioner Gordon.
• 1:01:25
  SPEAKER_07: But I mean, this Commissioner Gordon does do basically nothing.
• 1:01:30
  SPEAKER_07: He yeah, he's not he he's mad about the dirty cop, but most of them is like, no, but the lawyer will fix the crime problems.
• 1:01:41
  SPEAKER_07: The lawyer will stamp out crime, district attorney Harvey Dant will solve this problem.
• 1:01:46
  SPEAKER_06: So Commissioner Gordon is nothing.
• 1:01:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:01:49
  SPEAKER_06: He sees Abelle and is like, oh no, a Bell better run away.
• 1:01:53
  SPEAKER_02: That's because cops don't solve problems.
• 1:01:57
  SPEAKER_02: No one in this movie solves problems.
• 1:01:59
  SPEAKER_02: No, a man dressed like a bat does.
• 1:02:03
  SPEAKER_02: Does he though cathedrals, everything?
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_06: He's he saves a woman and does not stop a man from killing himself.
• 1:02:14
  SPEAKER_05: And thus ends crime forever.
• 1:02:17
  SPEAKER_06: All those people in the street who are killed by the gas, he doesn't care about that.
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_05: He did.
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_05: He took all the balloons spewing poison gas up into the atmosphere.
• 1:02:29
  SPEAKER_06: It took him so long to do that.
• 1:02:32
  SPEAKER_05: He really took his time getting that lined up.
• 1:02:36
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:02:36
  SPEAKER_07: I also really like how the Joker just keeps yelling, my balloons!
• 1:02:41
  unknown: No!
• 1:02:42
  SPEAKER_05: Hilarious how upset he is about this.
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_05: And you could not get a better line than why didn't somebody tell me he had one of those things?
• 1:02:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 1:02:55
  SPEAKER_01: Gold.
• 1:02:57
  SPEAKER_01: Can I put something out there?
• 1:02:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:02:59
  SPEAKER_02: Nox saves more people during that parade sequence than Batman.
• 1:03:03
  SPEAKER_05: He does.
• 1:03:04
  SPEAKER_02: Because he stops one balloon when the area is still crowded with people, and Batman gets all of them after everyone has fled.
• 1:03:12
  SPEAKER_07: It's true.
• 1:03:14
  SPEAKER_07: Most of the people are dead by the time Batman gets all those balloons out of there.
• 1:03:17
  SPEAKER_02: Nox saved more lives during this movie and had better chemistry with Vicky Vale.
• 1:03:23
  SPEAKER_05: Mm-hmm.
• 1:03:24
  SPEAKER_05: And yet, I love Nox.
• 1:03:27
  SPEAKER_05: Love Knox in this movie.
• 1:03:28
  SPEAKER_05: I love Robert Wool, who plays him enough that I was the one idiot who was patiently waiting for Sex in the City to end so that he could watch Arless.
• 1:03:37
  SPEAKER_05: It's a very deep-cut reference.
• 1:03:39
  SPEAKER_05: I think there's one obscure Simpsons joke about Arless, and that's all it's left on pop culture landscape.
• 1:03:46
  SPEAKER_07: But if Knoxwell never returned.
• 1:03:50
  SPEAKER_05: He returns in part one of Crisis on Infinite Earths over on the Arrowverse.
• 1:03:57
  SPEAKER_05: Oh yeah, he does.
• 1:03:59
  SPEAKER_07: But like he's a movie character, yeah?
• 1:04:02
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, but they're flashing through all the worlds getting overtaken by antimatter.
• 1:04:07
  SPEAKER_05: So that's like Earth 1989 or something.
• 1:04:10
  SPEAKER_01: Ah.
• 1:04:11
  SPEAKER_05: But if I could change one thing about this movie, I would combine Knox and Vicky Vale into one character.
• 1:04:21
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, yes.
• 1:04:22
  SPEAKER_07: I I can see that.
• 1:04:23
  SPEAKER_05: I like their banter, though.
• 1:04:25
  SPEAKER_05: Their banter's good, and she did have the most chemistry with him.
• 1:04:29
  SPEAKER_05: And the fact that she's got three guys circling her is another problem I have with this movie that is partially solved by combining her with Nox.
• 1:04:38
  SPEAKER_07: I don't think Nox wants to bone her.
• 1:04:40
  SPEAKER_07: I think Nox just like likes her moxie.
• 1:04:44
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:04:45
  SPEAKER_05: I think it can be both things.
• 1:04:47
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think Nox would like complain if they wound up in a bed.
• 1:04:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:04:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:04:53
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like Nox is enjoying some harmless workplace flirting.
• 1:04:57
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, a woman does come to his desk every day and put her legs up on it.
• 1:05:02
  SPEAKER_07: And who's gonna complain about that?
• 1:05:04
  SPEAKER_07: Right?
• 1:05:05
  SPEAKER_07: He says, hello legs.
• 1:05:07
  SPEAKER_07: So, you know.
• 1:05:08
  SPEAKER_07: But like Dan, if you combine them, where is the exposition?
• 1:05:14
  SPEAKER_05: Well, you do it like that terrible all-star Batman comic Frank Miller wrote, where she just has a tape recorder and describes situations to herself.
• 1:05:25
  SPEAKER_05: But yeah, he is good for exposition.
• 1:05:28
  SPEAKER_05: I would just love Vicky to have a little more agency and be a little less of a sexy lamp that gets dragged around by Joker.
• 1:05:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:05:37
  SPEAKER_07: I will say for like the first hour of this movie, I did assume that all of the blonde women in this movie were.
• 1:05:45
  SPEAKER_06: I knew they were different, but I thought there was like four of them.
• 1:05:48
  SPEAKER_06: And then eventually I realized there was two.
• 1:05:52
  SPEAKER_06: So that's the end of that sentence.
• 1:05:56
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:05:57
  SPEAKER_06: They were Jerry Hall and Kim Bassett.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_06: Kim Basinger?
• 1:06:02
  SPEAKER_05: Think it's Basinger.
• 1:06:04
  SPEAKER_07: Who will not be in the next movie?
• 1:06:06
  SPEAKER_07: No.
• 1:06:07
  SPEAKER_07: Which this movie did not set up.
• 1:06:09
  SPEAKER_07: Nope.
• 1:06:10
  SPEAKER_07: They set her up to be there.
• 1:06:11
  SPEAKER_07: But she's not gonna.
• 1:06:13
  SPEAKER_07: She's not gonna.
• 1:06:14
  SPEAKER_05: Hollywood wants the guy and the girl to be together at the end, but Batman isn't good at long-term relationships.
• 1:06:22
  SPEAKER_07: He's barely good at this medium-term relationship.
• 1:06:26
  SPEAKER_07: He does not want to date this woman.
• 1:06:29
  SPEAKER_07: He pushes her into a chair and it's like, I have to tell you something.
• 1:06:32
  SPEAKER_07: She's like, go ahead.
• 1:06:33
  SPEAKER_07: And he's like, uh what if I have a tray?
• 1:06:40
  SPEAKER_05: Although Michael Keaton mouthing I'm Batman at himself is if to demonstrate this is so easy.
• 1:06:46
  SPEAKER_05: How are we failing at this?
• 1:06:48
  SPEAKER_05: Always been pretty funny.
• 1:06:49
  SPEAKER_06: It is funny.
• 1:06:50
  SPEAKER_06: His mullet, guys, his mullet.
• 1:06:53
  SPEAKER_06: It's so good.
• 1:06:54
  SPEAKER_06: His bat period appropriate.
• 1:06:56
  SPEAKER_06: His bat mullet.
• 1:06:59
  SPEAKER_02: Guys, can I pull off a mullet?
• 1:07:01
  SPEAKER_07: You probably could, actually.
• 1:07:02
  SPEAKER_07: Manzi, I think you could.
• 1:07:04
  SPEAKER_07: Manzi, you can do whatever you want.
• 1:07:06
  SPEAKER_02: No, but it doesn't make it a good idea.
• 1:07:09
  SPEAKER_02: People need to stop telling me I can do whatever I want because they're afraid to tang.
• 1:07:14
  SPEAKER_02: This is a bad idea.
• 1:07:16
  SPEAKER_06: So I don't think your hair is curly enough for a bat mullet, is what I will say.
• 1:07:22
  SPEAKER_05: You need to get a mullet and a perm.
• 1:07:24
  SPEAKER_06: Exactly.
• 1:07:25
  SPEAKER_06: If you want to get a perm, then you're set.
• 1:07:27
  SPEAKER_07: Yes.
• 1:07:28
  SPEAKER_02: I can get an undershave and then uh bullet and then bangs, and then I'll be three non-binary people.
• 1:07:34
  SPEAKER_07: I love this.
• 1:07:35
  SPEAKER_07: Yes.
• 1:07:36
  SPEAKER_07: Okay.
• 1:07:37
  SPEAKER_07: Well, and then I'll get a perm, and we'll have hit all the things.
• 1:07:41
  SPEAKER_07: Let's all get perms.
• 1:07:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 1:07:43
  SPEAKER_07: I am Dan.
• 1:07:45
  SPEAKER_07: Dan, get a perm.
• 1:07:46
  SPEAKER_07: Get a perm.
• 1:07:49
  SPEAKER_05: That's a terrible idea.
• 1:07:51
  SPEAKER_05: No one needs.
• 1:07:54
  SPEAKER_02: Dan.
• 1:07:56
  SPEAKER_02: I've been a dude with you through this whole discussion of Batman.
• 1:07:59
  SPEAKER_02: Now be girls with us and get perms.
• 1:08:03
  SPEAKER_00: We're all getting perms.
• 1:08:08
  SPEAKER_02: Unfortunately, I do have to get the um haircut from Pat Benatar's Invincible video first.
• 1:08:13
  SPEAKER_07: Okay.
• 1:08:13
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, yes, obviously.
• 1:08:15
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 1:08:16
  SPEAKER_07: 80s.
• 1:08:16
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 1:08:17
  SPEAKER_05: And the coat from Pat Benatar's Invincible video.
• 1:08:20
  SPEAKER_05: I want that so much.
• 1:08:21
  SPEAKER_07: It's a great coat.
• 1:08:23
  SPEAKER_02: Speaking of style icons from the 80s.
• 1:08:26
  SPEAKER_02: The scene where after the Joker is dropped into chemicals, but before Vicky Vale's date with Batman, when her and Knox are just at the newspaper uh talking shit at one another.
• 1:08:38
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 1:08:39
  SPEAKER_02: And Vicky Vale's got like the enormous glasses.
• 1:08:41
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 1:08:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:08:43
  SPEAKER_02: Look directly at my face.
• 1:08:44
  SPEAKER_02: Is Vicky Vale my style icon by accident?
• 1:08:47
  SPEAKER_07: I love that.
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_02: I'd be a little bit, yes.
• 1:08:51
  SPEAKER_07: Also, I love that Kim Basinger had her own stylist, like hairstylist and costume designer.
• 1:08:58
  SPEAKER_07: She did not use the costume designer for the movie.
• 1:09:01
  SPEAKER_07: She had her own.
• 1:09:03
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, she knows that fits.
• 1:09:04
  SPEAKER_05: That feels right, yeah.
• 1:09:06
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 1:09:07
  SPEAKER_05: So a lot of my minor quibbles with this movie come from my belief that instead of saying, How do we take decades of bat lore and make that into a movie, they said, how do we transform Batman into an 80s action hero?
• 1:09:26
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:09:26
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 1:09:28
  SPEAKER_05: That's where a lot of it comes from.
• 1:09:29
  SPEAKER_05: That's where you got Batman breaking the note kill rule as much as he does.
• 1:09:33
  SPEAKER_05: That's why Joker needs to have a personal connection to Batman, hence the invention of Bat of Joker killed his parents and fighting over Vicky Vale.
• 1:09:44
  SPEAKER_05: And then he needs to have the archetypical 80s villain death of falling a long way.
• 1:09:51
  SPEAKER_05: Preferably onto something pointy, but they couldn't make it work.
• 1:09:54
  SPEAKER_05: You gotta get Hans Grubert off the building.
• 1:09:58
  SPEAKER_07: Right.
• 1:09:59
  SPEAKER_07: And Die Hard happened two years prior.
• 1:10:02
  SPEAKER_07: So throwing people off buildings was what you did.
• 1:10:06
  SPEAKER_07: It's the way.
• 1:10:07
  SPEAKER_07: Yep.
• 1:10:08
  SPEAKER_07: But like kind of he fell himself.
• 1:10:11
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, he was that tied a gargoyle to him.
• 1:10:16
  SPEAKER_07: He did, but he also Joker was very bad at grabbing that ladder that was thrown at him.
• 1:10:21
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 1:10:21
  SPEAKER_07: He grabbed like the second last rung.
• 1:10:23
  SPEAKER_07: You don't grab the second into a situation where he could not climb the ladder.
• 1:10:28
  SPEAKER_07: He could not kick kick the gargoyle off.
• 1:10:30
  SPEAKER_07: Joker is bad at plans.
• 1:10:33
  SPEAKER_05: Well, let's not let the henchman off the hook here.
• 1:10:39
  SPEAKER_05: Like so that they could get the gargoyle onto a solid platform, get some slack, and let him work himself out of the grappling hook.
• 1:10:48
  SPEAKER_04: But no, they're just like, I don't understand why he's not climbing the ladder.
• 1:10:53
  SPEAKER_07: Everyone could have done better except for Batman.
• 1:10:56
  SPEAKER_02: But the head of HR, Bob, had been shot previously.
• 1:11:02
  SPEAKER_02: No one organized this stuff.
• 1:11:04
  SPEAKER_06: And the damn guy with the boom box was not there.
• 1:11:07
  SPEAKER_06: He was not killed.
• 1:11:08
  SPEAKER_06: He was just not there.
• 1:11:13
  SPEAKER_05: Neither of the guys who are really too confident about their accents were here.
• 1:11:18
  SPEAKER_05: One being when Joker joybusters the mobster and then chews everybody else out.
• 1:11:23
  SPEAKER_05: And you can just hear the one henchman going, get out of here.
• 1:11:27
  SPEAKER_05: Like, oh, you shouldn't have mic'd that one.
• 1:11:31
  SPEAKER_05: Or when they start gassing the parade route, and you have the one guy just turning his front and go, Mass! Put him on there!
• 1:11:43
  SPEAKER_04: I don't think it's the same guy.
• 1:11:45
  SPEAKER_04: They're different cowboys.
• 1:11:47
  SPEAKER_07: I believe it.
• 1:11:49
  SPEAKER_07: But also, this helicopter just had to fly like not even a foot to its left.
• 1:11:56
  SPEAKER_07: And Joker would have been okay.
• 1:11:59
  SPEAKER_07: The platform to this bell tower was literally right there.
• 1:12:04
  SPEAKER_07: He spent so much time dancing on it.
• 1:12:07
  SPEAKER_07: Right?
• 1:12:08
  SPEAKER_07: And like twerking his butt.
• 1:12:13
  SPEAKER_06: You can only twerk your butt.
• 1:12:14
  SPEAKER_06: There's no other way to twerk, but he did do the twerk.
• 1:12:19
  SPEAKER_06: He did.
• 1:12:21
  SPEAKER_06: Anyway, this movie was great.
• 1:12:22
  SPEAKER_06: And from what I understand, people used to buy tickets to see movies just because they knew the Batman trailer was there.
• 1:12:29
  SPEAKER_06: So great.
• 1:12:31
  SPEAKER_02: It is hard to overemphasize.
• 1:12:33
  SPEAKER_02: Like 1989, a nation fell in love with a man dressed like a bat.
• 1:12:38
  SPEAKER_02: The number one song in the country was Prince singing a song about a man dressed like a bat.
• 1:12:45
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm just gonna blindfire this.
• 1:12:47
  SPEAKER_02: Dan, which character from Batman did you go out for Halloween in 1989?
• 1:12:52
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I don't think I had a full bat suit.
• 1:12:54
  SPEAKER_02: Well, there we go.
• 1:12:55
  SPEAKER_02: I went as well.
• 1:12:58
  SPEAKER_02: Nice.
• 1:12:58
  SPEAKER_02: I went as Joker with two friends also dressed like Joker.
• 1:13:03
  SPEAKER_07: Amazing.
• 1:13:04
  SPEAKER_07: Well, because it's great, it's a great costume.
• 1:13:07
  SPEAKER_07: Oh good.
• 1:13:08
  SPEAKER_07: Not for nothing, guys, but I was Tinkerbell.
• 1:13:12
  SPEAKER_07: 1989.
• 1:13:13
  SPEAKER_07: I think I was a witch.
• 1:13:16
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 1:13:16
  SPEAKER_07: We are both girls and babies.
• 1:13:19
  SPEAKER_07: Yes, it's true.
• 1:13:20
  SPEAKER_07: I was two.
• 1:13:21
  SPEAKER_02: I was a boy at the time, and it was the year that people were shaving the bat symbol into their fade.
• 1:13:26
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, they were.
• 1:13:28
  SPEAKER_05: Definitely bought a lot of bat merch clothing to make it my identity.
• 1:13:32
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:13:33
  SPEAKER_07: It tracks.
• 1:13:34
  SPEAKER_05: Even though I was competing with the sequel to my very favorite movie.
• 1:13:38
  SPEAKER_05: Which isn't a segue to our next topic.
• 1:13:41
  SPEAKER_05: That's a sequel to a different favorite movie.
• 1:13:45
  SPEAKER_06: But now, segue, Claire, take us away.
• 1:13:50
  SPEAKER_07: Okay.
• 1:13:50
  SPEAKER_07: Are we ready for it?
• 1:13:52
  SPEAKER_07: Are we ready for a third Indiana Jones?
• 1:13:55
  SPEAKER_05: Well, the the world in general was because this one sneaked past Batman on the global stage.
• 1:14:02
  SPEAKER_05: So hit us.
• 1:14:03
  SPEAKER_07: Alright.
• 1:14:04
  SPEAKER_07: So we're coming back.
• 1:14:07
  SPEAKER_07: Indiana Jones is still archaeology, still professory in.
• 1:14:14
  SPEAKER_07: But his dad is here, and his dad is James Bond.
• 1:14:20
  SPEAKER_07: AKA Sean Connery.
• 1:14:22
  SPEAKER_07: And he has been kidnapped by Nazis.
• 1:14:26
  SPEAKER_07: And Indiana Jones must save him.
• 1:14:29
  SPEAKER_07: And, you know, maybe just find the holy grail.
• 1:14:32
  SPEAKER_07: You know, just just do that.
• 1:14:34
  SPEAKER_07: Action, adventure, Nazis, family bonds between a father and a son.
• 1:14:40
  SPEAKER_07: This movie's got it all.
• 1:14:42
  SPEAKER_07: And River Phoenix.
• 1:14:44
  SPEAKER_07: And River Phoenix.
• 1:14:46
  SPEAKER_07: Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.
• 1:14:48
  SPEAKER_07: Not a pun, but also a pun.
• 1:14:51
  SPEAKER_05: Mild pun.
• 1:14:54
  SPEAKER_07: Little pun there.
• 1:14:55
  SPEAKER_05: Medium pun.
• 1:14:57
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, you know.
• 1:14:58
  SPEAKER_05: This one, to me, looking at the franchise as a whole, feels like a swing back to the magic formula.
• 1:15:06
  SPEAKER_05: Because Temple of Doom was very different than Raiders of the Lost Ark in several key ways.
• 1:15:13
  SPEAKER_05: And this one, okay.
• 1:15:14
  SPEAKER_05: We got a cold open where he's after an artifact again, although Temple of Doom kind of had that.
• 1:15:19
  SPEAKER_05: It just had more musical numbers in Chinese.
• 1:15:22
  SPEAKER_05: And the Nazis are the villains again.
• 1:15:26
  SPEAKER_05: And we're globe-trotting again, and we're after a more Western religious artifact now.
• 1:15:34
  SPEAKER_05: And it doesn't matter if he gets it or not, because this that's not what this story is about.
• 1:15:38
  SPEAKER_05: This is about a father and a son, not the Holy Grail.
• 1:15:41
  SPEAKER_05: The Holy Grail is just the most famously Monty Python MacGuffin.
• 1:15:46
  SPEAKER_07: Yes.
• 1:15:47
  SPEAKER_07: I uh okay, as a trilogy, because I there are more, but at this point in time, it's three.
• 1:15:56
  SPEAKER_07: People love trilogies, and then it's done.
• 1:15:58
  SPEAKER_07: It's a great ender to a trilogy.
• 1:16:01
  SPEAKER_05: For all we knew for a long while, this was gonna be it.
• 1:16:04
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:16:04
  SPEAKER_02: Like Star Wars came back faster than Indiana Jones.
• 1:16:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:16:09
  SPEAKER_02: And that's because um Sean Connery, who plays Indiana Jones's uh father, whose character beat is that he's hilariously too old to be doing any Indiana Jones bullshit, uh in this movie 22 years younger than Harrison Ford was in Dial of Destiny.
• 1:16:27
  SPEAKER_07: Of course he was.
• 1:16:30
  SPEAKER_01: Stop forcing Harrison.
• 1:16:36
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, we we did talk about this with also Star Wars, where we're like Harrison Ford, do you just want to be a carpenter and fly some planes?
• 1:16:44
  SPEAKER_07: Do you want to stop?
• 1:16:45
  SPEAKER_05: You don't have to do these, right?
• 1:16:48
  SPEAKER_05: No, he's in an avenger now.
• 1:16:52
  SPEAKER_07: I mean in this movie he even kind of was like, I've done it.
• 1:16:55
  SPEAKER_07: I prefer to make like these skeptical faces because Harrison Ford's skeptical faces are very funny, yes, and he makes them a lot in this movie.
• 1:17:07
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not saying he's not a charismatic actor who's good at his job, I'm just saying he seems to be unhappy with his job.
• 1:17:14
  SPEAKER_07: Right?
• 1:17:14
  SPEAKER_07: He's just done now.
• 1:17:15
  SPEAKER_07: Harrison Ford, do you just like do you just want to live your life?
• 1:17:19
  SPEAKER_07: Live your life relax.
• 1:17:21
  SPEAKER_05: No, okay, you're gonna be the red hulk.
• 1:17:24
  SPEAKER_05: I suppose that's easy to do.
• 1:17:26
  SPEAKER_05: Computers do most of the work.
• 1:17:28
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, I will say though, I think Last Crusade might be the best Indiana Jones.
• 1:17:35
  SPEAKER_07: I'm open to that.
• 1:17:36
  SPEAKER_07: You have to have the first one because you have to like get the shtick.
• 1:17:41
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, but this entire movie just like subverts the shtick over and over and over in a way that is extremely fun.
• 1:17:52
  SPEAKER_07: It is fun, like the whole thing is fun and funny and ridiculous.
• 1:17:58
  SPEAKER_07: Like when when he finally bursts into Sean Connery's captive room, and Sean Connery's just like sitting there with his like little like bag and his umbrella, and he's like, Dad! He's like, oh, and then they immediately get found out by Nazis, and he's like, You didn't bring the book here.
• 1:18:14
  SPEAKER_07: He's like, um, he's like, you idiot.
• 1:18:17
  SPEAKER_05: Just the immediate disappointment, yeah.
• 1:18:19
  SPEAKER_06: Or like even the first scene when River Phoenix, as Indiana Jones, like bursts out of the cave, and he's like, Where are all my Boy Scout friends?
• 1:18:30
  SPEAKER_06: Oh no, everyone's lost but me.
• 1:18:33
  SPEAKER_02: Who just failed?
• 1:18:35
  SPEAKER_07: It's also so funny because they were given literally one instruction.
• 1:18:39
  SPEAKER_07: The scout leader is like, don't wander away.
• 1:18:42
  SPEAKER_07: One instruction, and what does he do?
• 1:18:44
  SPEAKER_07: He immediately wanders away.
• 1:18:47
  SPEAKER_05: Instantly.
• 1:18:49
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 1:18:49
  SPEAKER_05: I do think the opening sequence has something to answer for in its legacy amongst prequel movies.
• 1:18:59
  SPEAKER_05: Because in the course of this one train chase with all of the evil, greedy corporate archaeologists, he gets his whip, his hat, his chin scar, and his fear of snakes.
• 1:19:12
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 1:19:13
  SPEAKER_02: And now they all do things.
• 1:19:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I they all went Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade walked so that films like Solo and X-Men Origins Wolverine could run bracket derogatory.
• 1:19:29
  SPEAKER_07: Oh, guys, I am exactly the right age where I loved X-Men Wolverine.
• 1:19:35
  SPEAKER_02: But you didn't need to know where he got his jacket, though.
• 1:19:38
  SPEAKER_06: No, but that opening credit sequence where they go through all the time frames.
• 1:19:43
  SPEAKER_05: That was good as hell.
• 1:19:44
  SPEAKER_05: That is generally known as the good scene from that one.
• 1:19:47
  SPEAKER_06: Yep.
• 1:19:48
  SPEAKER_06: And I can't get past that because I was like 19 when it came out, and I was like, oh my god.
• 1:19:54
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 1:19:54
  SPEAKER_05: But the question of where he got his jacket at least has an interesting answer because in solo it almost never did.
• 1:19:59
  SPEAKER_07: I don't remember.
• 1:20:01
  SPEAKER_07: I don't think I saw solo.
• 1:20:02
  SPEAKER_02: Somebody loaned it to him because it was cold outside, and then they were killed.
• 1:20:06
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:20:06
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, that's that's basically how it happened throughout solo.
• 1:20:10
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:20:10
  SPEAKER_05: But where did he get that blaster?
• 1:20:12
  SPEAKER_05: Someone gave it to him.
• 1:20:13
  SPEAKER_05: Someone did Chewie get that bandolier.
• 1:20:16
  SPEAKER_05: Someone gave it to him.
• 1:20:18
  SPEAKER_07: See, he gotta fall into a snake of pits on a moving train after narrowly missing alligators.
• 1:20:25
  SPEAKER_07: They weren't crocodiles, they were alligators, and then almost getting stabbed by a rhinoceros, which they used real animals for everything except the rhino.
• 1:20:33
  SPEAKER_07: And I think that's very funny because rhinos are also like super dangerous and like untrainable essentially.
• 1:20:40
  SPEAKER_07: So they're like, I can't use a real rhino.
• 1:20:42
  unknown: Yeah.
• 1:20:43
  SPEAKER_05: And the giraffes.
• 1:20:44
  SPEAKER_05: I'm pretty sure they used fake giraffe hits.
• 1:20:46
  SPEAKER_07: Yes.
• 1:20:46
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, I think the giraffes are not real.
• 1:20:48
  SPEAKER_05: Were the rats real?
• 1:20:50
  SPEAKER_07: The rats are real.
• 1:20:51
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, a lot of the rats are real.
• 1:20:53
  SPEAKER_02: God, they're so gross.
• 1:20:54
  SPEAKER_02: There were so many.
• 1:20:55
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't, I don't have a I don't think I have a phobia of rats, but I think I have a phobia of anything if there's enough of them.
• 1:21:02
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 1:21:03
  SPEAKER_07: And rats are super so I'm gonna tangent on rats for a a second here.
• 1:21:08
  SPEAKER_07: Rats are super smart.
• 1:21:10
  SPEAKER_07: So they're like really smart rodents, and their mob mentality is so strong that they are like, for lack of a better word, like super powerful.
• 1:21:21
  SPEAKER_07: Because they will like destroy things.
• 1:21:24
  SPEAKER_07: Like people, animal, like they literally eat people and stuff if there's enough of them and they like gang up on it, they will just like destroy things because they're super smart and super pack mentality, but also like little loners that like will kill themselves.
• 1:21:42
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, so I'm not necessarily afraid of a rat.
• 1:21:45
  SPEAKER_05: But as Buncie said, if anything is formed, a swarm, now I'm gossipus.
• 1:21:50
  SPEAKER_07: You don't want a swarm of rats.
• 1:21:52
  SPEAKER_07: It's like a swarm of bees.
• 1:21:53
  SPEAKER_07: That bee will chase that swarm bees will chase you for like five kilometers.
• 1:21:57
  SPEAKER_07: You can hide underwater and they'll hover.
• 1:21:59
  unknown: They'll have ever.
• 1:22:00
  SPEAKER_02: And if you do any try to do anything about it, Jason Statham's gonna show up at your house and wreck your shit.
• 1:22:04
  SPEAKER_02: Wait, this is your other show that I'm referencing back to then.
• 1:22:08
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, uh, we have we haven't talked about the beekeepers much over here.
• 1:22:14
  SPEAKER_07: Unless you're tibbled.
• 1:22:17
  SPEAKER_07: Rats, bad.
• 1:22:19
  SPEAKER_07: And also nobody wants Jason Statham to just show up at their house and ruin stuff.
• 1:22:24
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, you want Jason Statham to show up at your house, but nobody's my house can't be more ruined.
• 1:22:31
  SPEAKER_07: Y'all, they took my sighting off like two months ago, and it's still not back up.
• 1:22:36
  SPEAKER_07: Maybe if he shows up, he'll fix it.
• 1:22:38
  SPEAKER_07: At this point, I want Jason Statham to wreck my house.
• 1:22:42
  SPEAKER_02: Guys, the TV up too cleanly for these, so I have to say I got one thing at my house that Jason Statham could show up and wreck.
• 1:22:50
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, ooh, yes.
• 1:22:53
  SPEAKER_07: Yes.
• 1:22:55
  SPEAKER_05: We did walk them right to that one, yeah.
• 1:22:57
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:22:58
  SPEAKER_05: This is the first time in three movies that Indiana Jones actually wraps up the cold open with the artifact he was trying to get.
• 1:23:09
  SPEAKER_05: Which does have strong end-of-a-trilogy vibes, if we're looking at it.
• 1:23:13
  SPEAKER_07: It does.
• 1:23:14
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, I can't believe the man in white and the guy who gave him his hat never came back.
• 1:23:20
  unknown: Never.
• 1:23:20
  SPEAKER_05: Well, the man in white was still on that boat.
• 1:23:23
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, but then he super died.
• 1:23:26
  SPEAKER_05: He did super die.
• 1:23:28
  SPEAKER_06: And like subsequently, Indiana Jones made a torch out of a leg bone from a skeleton and random earth petroleum.
• 1:23:38
  SPEAKER_05: I love some random goop petroleum.
• 1:23:41
  SPEAKER_07: And then it's also water.
• 1:23:43
  SPEAKER_07: Well, I mean, like, it would float, but still.
• 1:23:45
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, sometimes there's also water.
• 1:23:48
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 1:23:48
  SPEAKER_07: Like the sequences, all of them in this movie are so good.
• 1:23:54
  SPEAKER_07: None of them make any sense.
• 1:23:55
  SPEAKER_07: You cannot think about them.
• 1:23:57
  SPEAKER_07: No, don't think.
• 1:23:58
  SPEAKER_07: Like the giant 10, which is also an X, right on the floor where they're supposed to dig.
• 1:24:05
  SPEAKER_07: X marks the spot.
• 1:24:07
  SPEAKER_05: That is some setup and payoff right there.
• 1:24:10
  SPEAKER_06: You cannot think in this movie.
• 1:24:12
  SPEAKER_06: No.
• 1:24:12
  SPEAKER_06: Don't think.
• 1:24:13
  SPEAKER_07: And I love it how he has to climb up the spiral staircase and like he glances over the balcony.
• 1:24:18
  SPEAKER_07: He's like, oh my god, it's right there.
• 1:24:20
  SPEAKER_07: And it's massive.
• 1:24:21
  SPEAKER_07: It is the whole entire floor.
• 1:24:23
  SPEAKER_06: And no one has ever realized it before.
• 1:24:26
  SPEAKER_07: It's great.
• 1:24:27
  SPEAKER_07: Just his dad, and now him.
• 1:24:29
  SPEAKER_05: Well, nobody else had jotted down that the numbers 3, 7, 10 are going to be important in some building.
• 1:24:35
  SPEAKER_07: Yep.
• 1:24:36
  SPEAKER_07: And then Albert Einstein's just stamping books and thinks that that stanchion is his.
• 1:24:41
  SPEAKER_05: That stamp hitting the book right when Indy slamps the floor.
• 1:24:45
  SPEAKER_05: That is a great bit that's funny every time.
• 1:24:48
  SPEAKER_07: It is.
• 1:24:49
  SPEAKER_07: It's so good.
• 1:24:51
  SPEAKER_07: The whole movie is funny every time.
• 1:24:53
  SPEAKER_06: When they keep accidentally going through the secret door when they're in Nazis, and then they go away.
• 1:25:02
  SPEAKER_07: When they're in the um the fireplace, and they just keep accidentally rotating the fireplace.
• 1:25:08
  SPEAKER_07: And it's so funny because it reads like they've forgotten what's on the other side every time.
• 1:25:12
  SPEAKER_07: They're like, oh no, Nazis! Oh no, fire! Oh no Nazis! Like every time it's cold.
• 1:25:23
  SPEAKER_06: And Hitler is like, oh, you want me to sign your autographs in the book?
• 1:25:28
  SPEAKER_06: It's so good.
• 1:25:30
  SPEAKER_05: Oh Hitler, you are also a dummy.
• 1:25:33
  SPEAKER_07: It's just so funny.
• 1:25:36
  SPEAKER_07: But like in a good way.
• 1:25:38
  SPEAKER_07: Like it's funny in the way that you're like, yes, this is what I want from this movie.
• 1:25:42
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, The Escape from That Castle is a great action sequence of motorcycle combat, but it's also so filled with great comedy beats as Herod Henry Sr.
• 1:25:53
  SPEAKER_05: is just continually unimpressed with Indy's fending off Nazis.
• 1:25:57
  SPEAKER_05: Each time he looks to his dad like that was cool, right?
• 1:26:00
  SPEAKER_05: It's nothing ever.
• 1:26:01
  SPEAKER_06: Indy jousts a man off a motorcycle, and his dad's like, I have a hard question for everybody.
• 1:26:10
  SPEAKER_02: Is that our favorite chase scene in this movie, or is it the speedboat chase scene?
• 1:26:15
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, when they're in not France.
• 1:26:18
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, Venice.
• 1:26:19
  SPEAKER_06: I love it.
• 1:26:20
  SPEAKER_06: It is Venice.
• 1:26:21
  SPEAKER_02: Venice is famously not France.
• 1:26:24
  SPEAKER_06: So I watched this movie with my mom.
• 1:26:27
  SPEAKER_06: And after the Venice chase sequence, she was like, in my brain, I always thought it was France because they said catacombs.
• 1:26:34
  SPEAKER_06: And I was like, cool.
• 1:26:37
  SPEAKER_06: And then later, she was like, You know that guy?
• 1:26:41
  SPEAKER_06: He's like the not hot version of the guy from the mummy.
• 1:26:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, okay, I buy that.
• 1:26:46
  SPEAKER_04: I buy that.
• 1:26:48
  SPEAKER_06: She was like, he should have been more hot.
• 1:26:50
  SPEAKER_06: That's he would have been a main character, though.
• 1:26:52
  SPEAKER_06: So funny.
• 1:26:53
  SPEAKER_05: Dude from the mummy was hot, and he got to be in the sequels.
• 1:26:56
  SPEAKER_07: Yep.
• 1:26:56
  SPEAKER_07: Yep.
• 1:26:57
  SPEAKER_07: Right?
• 1:26:57
  SPEAKER_07: Yep.
• 1:26:58
  SPEAKER_07: So anyway, the scene takes place in not France, thanks to Shelly Weir.
• 1:27:03
  SPEAKER_07: So good.
• 1:27:04
  SPEAKER_07: I also love how these gondoliers like literally do not care that they've stolen like four boats from them.
• 1:27:11
  SPEAKER_07: They're playing cards and they're like, uh, oh well.
• 1:27:15
  SPEAKER_07: Whatever.
• 1:27:16
  SPEAKER_07: I think the jousting sequence is better for me.
• 1:27:19
  SPEAKER_07: Like the Venice one is good, but the jousting of the motorcycles, way better.
• 1:27:23
  SPEAKER_02: Motorcycle is so good.
• 1:27:25
  SPEAKER_07: I do like jousting motorcycles.
• 1:27:27
  SPEAKER_05: The Not France boats are more dramatic because you get that showdown with the less hot version of the guy from the mummy.
• 1:27:36
  SPEAKER_05: Who is very good at standing his ground in a boat being chewed up by a propeller.
• 1:27:41
  SPEAKER_05: Yep.
• 1:27:41
  SPEAKER_05: I also like enjoy the motorcycle sequence more.
• 1:27:45
  SPEAKER_05: Because there's some cool flips and fights and jousts and Henry Ford just never caring.
• 1:27:52
  SPEAKER_07: Right?
• 1:27:56
  SPEAKER_05: Just watching it.
• 1:27:58
  SPEAKER_05: Just watching it he gradually.
• 1:28:00
  SPEAKER_05: Deflate from enthused about what he pulled off to just sort of sullen while his dad just stares at him and winds his watch.
• 1:28:08
  SPEAKER_07: It's also great when they pull up at the signpost that's like Berlin, other places.
• 1:28:15
  SPEAKER_07: He's like, we have to go to Berlin.
• 1:28:18
  SPEAKER_07: And they're like, and he's like, why?
• 1:28:20
  SPEAKER_07: No, we don't have to go to Berlin.
• 1:28:21
  SPEAKER_07: He's like, my diary is in Berlin.
• 1:28:25
  SPEAKER_07: That is where we're going.
• 1:28:27
  SPEAKER_07: And it's just like this great moment of like, yes.
• 1:28:30
  SPEAKER_07: And then their escape out of there is blimp.
• 1:28:33
  SPEAKER_07: It's blimp, the slowest form of transportation.
• 1:28:36
  SPEAKER_06: They take a Zeppelin to an airplane, to a car, and then their car gets bombed into a pothole.
• 1:28:45
  SPEAKER_06: It's so Sean Connery trait chases birds with an umbrella.
• 1:28:50
  SPEAKER_06: That umbrella was so good.
• 1:28:52
  SPEAKER_06: That might actually be the best sequence deck.
• 1:28:55
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:28:55
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 1:28:56
  SPEAKER_05: Including one of the fighter pilots who chases them into a road tunnel.
• 1:29:02
  SPEAKER_05: And I'm like, what was the plan, guy?
• 1:29:05
  SPEAKER_05: I don't what did you expect when you flew into this tunnel?
• 1:29:09
  SPEAKER_07: I do like the moment of him and Indy just looking at each other as the plane with no wings passes.
• 1:29:16
  SPEAKER_05: Awkwardly passes by.
• 1:29:17
  SPEAKER_07: Like, oh my, oh my god.
• 1:29:19
  SPEAKER_07: Very funny.
• 1:29:21
  SPEAKER_05: Also, in terms of very funny, this movie has possibly the greatest comedy smash cut in the history of film.
• 1:29:31
  SPEAKER_05: Which is the big dramatic speech Indiana Jones gives.
• 1:29:35
  SPEAKER_05: Oh god, yeah.
• 1:29:36
  SPEAKER_05: Marcus has a two-day head start.
• 1:29:38
  SPEAKER_05: That's all he needs.
• 1:29:40
  SPEAKER_05: He's got friends in every city.
• 1:29:41
  SPEAKER_05: He knows every local custom.
• 1:29:43
  SPEAKER_05: He'll blend in, disappear.
• 1:29:45
  SPEAKER_05: You'll never see him again.
• 1:29:46
  SPEAKER_05: With any luck, he's got the grail already.
• 1:29:51
  SPEAKER_07: Does anyone here speak English?
• 1:29:53
  SPEAKER_07: It's so good.
• 1:29:54
  SPEAKER_07: And then people are like constantly trying to sell him chickens, and he's like, ah.
• 1:29:59
  SPEAKER_06: And then he meets Jonathan Reese Davies.
• 1:30:02
  SPEAKER_06: And the people come to him, they're like, oh, hello.
• 1:30:05
  SPEAKER_06: The Department of Antiquities says hello.
• 1:30:09
  SPEAKER_06: And Marcus is like perfect.
• 1:30:10
  SPEAKER_06: And Jonathan Reese Davies is like, that doesn't exist.
• 1:30:14
  SPEAKER_06: We don't have a museum here.
• 1:30:17
  SPEAKER_07: And it's so good because he's like, yes, correct.
• 1:30:20
  SPEAKER_07: Anyway, my passport.
• 1:30:21
  SPEAKER_07: He's like, run.
• 1:30:22
  SPEAKER_07: He's like, mm-hmm.
• 1:30:24
  SPEAKER_04: Stands.
• 1:30:25
  SPEAKER_04: Got all the papers here, the times, the romance, run.
• 1:30:29
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 1:30:30
  SPEAKER_07: Jonathan Reese Davies did not need to be in this movie, but he came to play.
• 1:30:36
  SPEAKER_07: He did.
• 1:30:37
  SPEAKER_07: Sala is a great character.
• 1:30:39
  SPEAKER_05: I think that Sala and Marcus are back.
• 1:30:41
  SPEAKER_05: It's another let's steer more into Raiders.
• 1:30:45
  SPEAKER_05: Let's bring everybody back and let's give Sala and Marcus even more to do.
• 1:30:49
  SPEAKER_05: And a lot more Marcus is a big thumbs up for this movie.
• 1:30:53
  SPEAKER_05: It's a absolute value add.
• 1:30:55
  SPEAKER_05: I love Marcus in this movie.
• 1:30:56
  SPEAKER_05: I definitely love him reprising the gag of when Indy shoots all the Nazis versus his father, and his father's like, look what you did.
• 1:31:05
  SPEAKER_05: I believe what you did.
• 1:31:07
  SPEAKER_05: Then they'd redo that with Henry Sr.
• 1:31:09
  SPEAKER_05: and Marcus later, but Henry Sr.
• 1:31:11
  SPEAKER_05: blows up a whole troop transport.
• 1:31:14
  SPEAKER_07: The other great thing about original Indiana Jones, and I don't remember the two new ones, but the original ones is how magic is always real.
• 1:31:23
  SPEAKER_02: Magic's at the end.
• 1:31:25
  SPEAKER_02: And he never believes in it, though.
• 1:31:27
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 1:31:28
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:31:28
  SPEAKER_05: He will witness literal magic, literal divine intervention, and then three years later he's like, ah, mumbo jumbo.
• 1:31:37
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:31:38
  SPEAKER_07: Like they always forget early in the movie, but in the last 20 minutes, magic is there?
• 1:31:45
  unknown: Yeah.
• 1:31:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:31:51
  SPEAKER_05: You've met Thor, Tony.
• 1:31:53
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, you're you have a co-worker who is a god.
• 1:32:00
  SPEAKER_07: So I also have a question for our co-hosts who are older than I am.
• 1:32:05
  SPEAKER_07: Does the idea of the Holy Grail being the most simple cup come from this movie?
• 1:32:11
  SPEAKER_07: Or is this like a general zeigeisty thing?
• 1:32:15
  SPEAKER_05: I feel like I first encountered it with this movie.
• 1:32:18
  SPEAKER_05: Although, to be fair, my previous Holy Grail pop culture exposure was Monty Python in the Holy Grail.
• 1:32:25
  SPEAKER_05: So and they never find it.
• 1:32:27
  SPEAKER_07: They do not.
• 1:32:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I have no um religious background of my own to fall on for this, but it makes sense.
• 1:32:34
  SPEAKER_02: Like, dude's a carpenter.
• 1:32:36
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 1:32:37
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, I feel I feel like when I watched this movie, even the first time, which was however long ago, I was like, well, no, it's like the wooden cup.
• 1:32:47
  SPEAKER_07: But I don't know if I picked that up from like other so media things.
• 1:32:54
  SPEAKER_07: And I don't know if it originated here.
• 1:32:57
  SPEAKER_05: I think later media would have run with it because of this, because that is a very good point.
• 1:33:01
  SPEAKER_05: Where did Jesus get an ornate golden chalice exactly?
• 1:33:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:33:06
  SPEAKER_02: Plus like the person who wanted glory picked the glorious cup and it was his downfall.
• 1:33:12
  SPEAKER_02: The person who simply wanted to do what's right picked the simple solution and it was the one is thematically in keeping with this movie.
• 1:33:21
  SPEAKER_05: Also, Elsa, the pick me archaeologist who sides with the Nazis.
• 1:33:26
  SPEAKER_05: I feel maybe she was setting Marcus up to die.
• 1:33:29
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, 100%.
• 1:33:32
  SPEAKER_05: Hey, let me choose to grail for you.
• 1:33:35
  SPEAKER_05: Here's the fanciest cup in the whole place.
• 1:33:37
  SPEAKER_05: Take a sip, Elon.
• 1:33:39
  SPEAKER_02: She's of two minds about it because earlier she got surprise-kissed by Indy.
• 1:33:44
  SPEAKER_02: She did.
• 1:33:45
  SPEAKER_02: But also she swept.
• 1:33:49
  SPEAKER_07: She did sleep with his dad.
• 1:33:52
  SPEAKER_05: Her greatest regret in life is that she fell into a chasm and died.
• 1:33:57
  SPEAKER_05: Wait, there's more.
• 1:33:58
  SPEAKER_05: That sounds like enough.
• 1:34:00
  SPEAKER_05: Instead of living another 18 years and sleeping with Mutt from Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, finishing the Jones Boy hat trick.
• 1:34:10
  SPEAKER_07: Alright then.
• 1:34:12
  SPEAKER_07: She's a Nazi.
• 1:34:13
  SPEAKER_02: I get to make fun of her a little.
• 1:34:14
  SPEAKER_02: That's true.
• 1:34:15
  SPEAKER_02: That's the great thing about Nazis, is that you can say or do anything that you want with regard to them, and you don't have to feel bad.
• 1:34:21
  SPEAKER_07: Do you guys want to know an age thing?
• 1:34:24
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 1:34:25
  SPEAKER_07: So Harrison Ford is only 12 years younger than Sean Connery Yeah, that feels right.
• 1:34:32
  SPEAKER_07: And I feel like that age gap is okay for her to sleep with both of them.
• 1:34:37
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:34:38
  SPEAKER_05: Mm-hmm.
• 1:34:39
  SPEAKER_05: It seems fine.
• 1:34:41
  SPEAKER_05: That seems fine.
• 1:34:42
  SPEAKER_05: Theoretically, there's supposed to be a larger age gap, but but the movie didn't give us that.
• 1:34:49
  SPEAKER_05: Well, one is the other's father, so presumably.
• 1:34:53
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, is there a scenario in which Henry Jones Sr.
• 1:34:57
  SPEAKER_05: accidentally got a woman pregnant at 12?
• 1:34:59
  SPEAKER_05: Sure.
• 1:35:00
  SPEAKER_05: Is it an incredibly dark scenario that I don't want to unpack?
• 1:35:03
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 1:35:04
  SPEAKER_05: So I'm gonna assume he was a little bit older.
• 1:35:06
  SPEAKER_07: One day I'll stop looking to ages.
• 1:35:08
  SPEAKER_07: No, that's a lie.
• 1:35:10
  SPEAKER_07: I won't do that.
• 1:35:12
  SPEAKER_05: You'll keep looking at ages, and I'll keep finding excuses to talk about 90s action sci-fi series G versus C.
• 1:35:18
  SPEAKER_05: We are who we are, and that's all we can be.
• 1:35:23
  SPEAKER_07: Uh, the movie's good though.
• 1:35:25
  SPEAKER_07: It's fun and it's stupid, and the plot is medium.
• 1:35:31
  SPEAKER_07: But no one cares.
• 1:35:32
  SPEAKER_05: Plots never matter.
• 1:35:34
  SPEAKER_05: It's about going, it's about setting up all these wonderful action sequences and globetrotting adventures, and then the real story is the interplay between the characters.
• 1:35:45
  SPEAKER_05: It's uh Indy and Marion, it's Indy and Henry.
• 1:35:49
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:35:50
  SPEAKER_07: It's also it's an action movie.
• 1:35:54
  SPEAKER_07: You don't need a complex plot.
• 1:35:56
  SPEAKER_07: The simpler the plot, the better.
• 1:35:58
  SPEAKER_07: Because then you can get the meat of the movie, which are the action sequences.
• 1:36:02
  SPEAKER_05: Indy wants the things, the Nazis want the same thing.
• 1:36:06
  SPEAKER_05: It's generally understood that it would be better if Indy got it.
• 1:36:09
  SPEAKER_07: Exactly.
• 1:36:10
  unknown: Yeah.
• 1:36:10
  SPEAKER_02: Arrive at a place, receive the plot coupon.
• 1:36:14
  SPEAKER_07: Yep.
• 1:36:14
  SPEAKER_02: Do maybe an action set piece about it.
• 1:36:17
  SPEAKER_02: Go off to the next place to redeem the coupon for then more plot.
• 1:36:21
  SPEAKER_07: Exactly.
• 1:36:22
  SPEAKER_07: And in this movie, in case you didn't know if Nazis were bad, they will burn books indiscriminately.
• 1:36:29
  SPEAKER_06: They're just gonna burn those books.
• 1:36:31
  SPEAKER_02: Every book forever.
• 1:36:33
  SPEAKER_06: Yep.
• 1:36:33
  SPEAKER_06: Because they're bad.
• 1:36:36
  SPEAKER_06: I shouldn't say that.
• 1:36:37
  SPEAKER_06: Nazis are bad.
• 1:36:39
  SPEAKER_02: Not to take it back to driving Miss Daisy, but it was so important for people in 1989 to know that the Nazis were bad because they burned books.
• 1:36:49
  SPEAKER_02: And it was so important for the people of 1989 to not know what specific books were being burned.
• 1:36:56
  SPEAKER_06: Exactly.
• 1:36:57
  SPEAKER_06: All the books.
• 1:36:58
  SPEAKER_02: Any book is being generally generally they just hated like the written word.
• 1:37:02
  SPEAKER_02: Don't worry about it, don't look into it.
• 1:37:04
  SPEAKER_02: It's fine.
• 1:37:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you got a book, they gonna burn it.
• 1:37:08
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, we gotta talk about any specific libraries that might be burned.
• 1:37:13
  SPEAKER_07: Like the Nazi regalia and like the iconography.
• 1:37:19
  SPEAKER_06: It was important for people to see.
• 1:37:21
  SPEAKER_06: And Nazis do suck, but also they just burn any book.
• 1:37:25
  SPEAKER_06: They would burn that diary if the woman hadn't cried.
• 1:37:29
  unknown: Yeah.
• 1:37:30
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 1:37:30
  SPEAKER_05: Instead, it gets autographed.
• 1:37:32
  SPEAKER_01: It sure does.
• 1:37:34
  SPEAKER_07: It's so dumb.
• 1:37:36
  SPEAKER_07: Such a good scene.
• 1:37:37
  SPEAKER_07: So funny.
• 1:37:38
  SPEAKER_07: And I like how Harrison Ford is like confused by this, and he's like, oh, uh-oh.
• 1:37:44
  SPEAKER_07: Oh well.
• 1:37:45
  SPEAKER_07: I just want to reiterate for our audience Harrison Ford is not cool.
• 1:37:50
  SPEAKER_07: In case you were wondering, he's not cool.
• 1:37:53
  SPEAKER_06: He is charismatic and handsome, but he's a nerd.
• 1:37:57
  SPEAKER_07: He is.
• 1:37:57
  SPEAKER_07: I said that in 83.
• 1:37:59
  SPEAKER_06: I will say it again anytime he's on this podcast.
• 1:38:01
  SPEAKER_06: He's a nerd.
• 1:38:02
  SPEAKER_07: He literally sneaks out his window.
• 1:38:05
  SPEAKER_05: To avoid answering student questions.
• 1:38:08
  SPEAKER_07: He sneaks out his own window.
• 1:38:11
  SPEAKER_05: Because he can't keep a TA to grade papers for him.
• 1:38:14
  SPEAKER_07: Nope.
• 1:38:15
  SPEAKER_07: Nope.
• 1:38:16
  SPEAKER_07: We saw in the first one, we saw in Raiders, he doesn't know what to do when girls like him.
• 1:38:21
  SPEAKER_07: Okay, but he shouldn't know what to do when co-eds like him.
• 1:38:24
  SPEAKER_07: That's here for no one.
• 1:38:26
  SPEAKER_02: That's very difficult too.
• 1:38:28
  SPEAKER_07: But he also doesn't know how to deal with any of this.
• 1:38:30
  SPEAKER_07: He's like, oh look, if I was a university professor and a 22-year-old man was like, hey, I have a crush on you, I'd be like, I gotta go.
• 1:38:39
  SPEAKER_07: Bye.
• 1:38:39
  SPEAKER_07: I'm gonna crawl.
• 1:38:40
  SPEAKER_07: You'll never see me again.
• 1:38:43
  SPEAKER_07: I'm going out it.
• 1:38:44
  SPEAKER_05: Indiana Jones ain't no flap porton.
• 1:38:46
  SPEAKER_05: He's not here to mess around with 20-year-old strange.
• 1:38:49
  SPEAKER_07: Oh, flip-flap.
• 1:38:52
  SPEAKER_07: Jeff Daniels.
• 1:38:55
  SPEAKER_05: So last time we talked about Indiana Jones, I asked the question Did this deserve the Oscar more than Chariots of Fire?
• 1:39:07
  SPEAKER_05: But did it deserve it overall?
• 1:39:09
  SPEAKER_05: Well, one would have had to have watched every other Best Picture nominee of that year to determine if Indiana Jones deserved that Oscar.
• 1:39:18
  SPEAKER_05: But I c obviously couldn't do that because I was busy watching every single Indiana Jones movie to give more further context to this one.
• 1:39:28
  SPEAKER_07: Tell us about Dan.
• 1:39:30
  SPEAKER_05: I should rate them.
• 1:39:33
  SPEAKER_05: First place.
• 1:39:34
  SPEAKER_05: I agree with Aaron.
• 1:39:35
  SPEAKER_05: It's Last Crusade.
• 1:39:37
  SPEAKER_05: I think Spielberg, Ford, Lucas, they're all kind of on the top of their game.
• 1:39:42
  SPEAKER_05: I love having more Sala, I love having more Marcus.
• 1:39:45
  SPEAKER_05: I think Sean Connery's great.
• 1:39:47
  SPEAKER_05: It only pales in comparison to Raiders in two ways.
• 1:39:50
  SPEAKER_05: Number one, no Marion.
• 1:39:53
  SPEAKER_05: Because he and his father have to sleep with the same Nazi.
• 1:39:57
  SPEAKER_05: And number two, Raiders excels at iconography.
• 1:40:02
  SPEAKER_01: They do.
• 1:40:03
  SPEAKER_05: Like so much of Raiders of the Lost Ark moments and scenes and just shots are so purely iconic.
• 1:40:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:40:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:40:13
  SPEAKER_05: They did such a good job in that respect that Raiders became an icon, and we could get a five-film franchise out of two that are really good and three that are pretty good.
• 1:40:25
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 1:40:27
  SPEAKER_05: So obviously, what I'm saying is Raiders of the Lost Ark is second.
• 1:40:31
  SPEAKER_05: Number three, here's where maybe the takes start to get Calviente.
• 1:40:36
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 1:40:37
  SPEAKER_05: Dial of Destiny.
• 1:40:38
  SPEAKER_05: Whoa!
• 1:40:39
  SPEAKER_07: The newest one?
• 1:40:41
  SPEAKER_07: I have not seen it, so I cannot comment.
• 1:40:44
  SPEAKER_05: Dial of Destiny.
• 1:40:45
  SPEAKER_05: Dial of Destiny has a couple problems.
• 1:40:47
  SPEAKER_05: Number one, it is the longest Indiana Jones by at least 20 minutes.
• 1:40:52
  SPEAKER_07: Uh-huh.
• 1:40:53
  SPEAKER_07: Okay.
• 1:40:54
  SPEAKER_05: And yeah, okay, the de-aging tech in the cold open only gets you 85% lifelike, but it is still more convincing than the climax of Temple of Doom.
• 1:41:05
  SPEAKER_05: Like I more believe that Harrison Ford is matchly 40 again than I believe he was climbing that cliff at the end of Temple of Doom.
• 1:41:13
  SPEAKER_07: Okay.
• 1:41:14
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, I will argue with you about the way that he runs, but that's a different podcast.
• 1:41:19
  SPEAKER_05: That's another issue.
• 1:41:22
  SPEAKER_05: We can revisit that when we very briefly mention the I uh the Irishman in 50 episodes.
• 1:41:28
  SPEAKER_05: But I and I think, like bits of driving me with Daisy, there are two themes that are almost there, but I'm just I'm not confident that the movie knows that they're there.
• 1:41:38
  SPEAKER_05: Like, I know that Helena, his goddaughter, is Indie Circa Temple of Doom.
• 1:41:47
  SPEAKER_05: I just want to be a little more confident that the movie knows that.
• 1:41:50
  SPEAKER_05: She even has her own short round, for God's sake.
• 1:41:53
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:41:54
  SPEAKER_05: Also, this would have gone from a three and a half to a four and a half star movie for me if they brought back Kihoi Kwan for sure as short round.
• 1:42:01
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 1:42:03
  SPEAKER_07: And it was right in the time frame where people would have embraced it.
• 1:42:07
  SPEAKER_07: Right?
• 1:42:08
  SPEAKER_05: I think it's got enough good Indiana Jones nonsense.
• 1:42:13
  SPEAKER_05: And I like Helena as indeed seeing his own younger self going down the wrong path.
• 1:42:19
  SPEAKER_05: And Mads Mickelson, just great as her main villain.
• 1:42:23
  SPEAKER_05: Boyd Holbrook, great as his chief.
• 1:42:26
  SPEAKER_05: Really surly henchman.
• 1:42:28
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah who gets punched in his face many times.
• 1:42:30
  SPEAKER_05: Number four, the takes have not cooled down.
• 1:42:34
  SPEAKER_05: Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.
• 1:42:36
  SPEAKER_07: Okay, I thought that's where you were going to go, and I was like, that opening sequence, though.
• 1:42:42
  SPEAKER_07: The opening sequence, great.
• 1:42:44
  SPEAKER_05: Opening sequence got the it's actually.
• 1:42:47
  SPEAKER_05: I think uh Nando V Movies put it best in his letterboxed review, which was me watching this movie.
• 1:42:54
  SPEAKER_05: This one's great.
• 1:42:55
  SPEAKER_05: Why don't people like it more?
• 1:42:56
  SPEAKER_05: Third act.
• 1:42:58
  SPEAKER_05: Oh.
• 1:42:59
  SPEAKER_07: But the Crystal Skull is an alien relic.
• 1:43:03
  SPEAKER_07: So if you're gonna go down alien routes, the Crystal Skull is technically an alien relic.
• 1:43:10
  SPEAKER_05: This is true.
• 1:43:11
  SPEAKER_05: And I could have rolled with Indiana Jones doing alien nonsense.
• 1:43:15
  SPEAKER_05: The aliens being interdimensional beings instead of interstellar beings, little hat on a hat.
• 1:43:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:43:21
  SPEAKER_05: But the third act really gets really dumb and goofy really fast as soon as Shia LaBeouf starts swinging from Vine Divine like Tarzan.
• 1:43:30
  SPEAKER_07: I know it's uh that's yeah, yeah.
• 1:43:34
  SPEAKER_05: Up until then, Indy and Marion still delightful together.
• 1:43:39
  SPEAKER_05: I think Indy and Mutt work better as a double act than a lot of people give them credit for because of the Shia LaBeouf of it all.
• 1:43:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:43:46
  SPEAKER_02: Well, here's the thing about Indy and Mutt is that Shia LaBeouf is not Harrison Ford in 1989, and Harrison Ford in that movie is not Sean Connery in 1989, and then they're trying to find the same dynamic but minus the chemistry.
• 1:44:02
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:44:03
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:44:04
  SPEAKER_05: I think there's a little chemistry, just not nearly as much.
• 1:44:07
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:44:07
  SPEAKER_05: It's got a one of the best supporting casts.
• 1:44:11
  SPEAKER_05: You got Kate Blanchett, you got Jim Broadbent, you got John Hurt.
• 1:44:15
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:44:16
  SPEAKER_07: Yep.
• 1:44:17
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 1:44:17
  SPEAKER_07: And Kate Blanchett is phenomenal.
• 1:44:20
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, she is.
• 1:44:22
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 1:44:22
  SPEAKER_05: And the thing is, number five, Temple of Doom feels the least like an Indiana Jones movie.
• 1:44:31
  SPEAKER_05: Because they prequeled to when he was a bit more of a jerk than we already met him, which is a bold move to prequel back to before he was the guy we know and like, even though they only prequeled by a year.
• 1:44:46
  SPEAKER_07: But they didn't want Nazis.
• 1:44:49
  SPEAKER_07: There was no Nazis in that one.
• 1:44:51
  SPEAKER_05: George Spielberg didn't want to do Nazis again.
• 1:44:55
  SPEAKER_05: So instead, the villains are a sinister, nasty cult of Indians in India opposing British rule in 1935 in a movie that came out two years after Gandhi.
• 1:45:11
  SPEAKER_05: So the British colonial forces coming to save the day by gunning down the local religious order.
• 1:45:20
  SPEAKER_05: Doesn't look great.
• 1:45:22
  SPEAKER_05: Not a good look.
• 1:45:23
  SPEAKER_05: In a movie set five years after the Salt March.
• 1:45:27
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, yeah, that's yeah.
• 1:45:30
  SPEAKER_05: Plus, the dinner scene kept me from discovering that Indian food was delicious for I want to say 13 years.
• 1:45:36
  SPEAKER_07: Fair.
• 1:45:37
  SPEAKER_05: That sucks.
• 1:45:38
  SPEAKER_05: Indian food is a delight.
• 1:45:39
  SPEAKER_07: It is.
• 1:45:40
  SPEAKER_05: It is delicious.
• 1:45:41
  SPEAKER_07: It is delightful.
• 1:45:43
  SPEAKER_05: And Willie is terrible.
• 1:45:46
  SPEAKER_05: She's not just a sexy lamp.
• 1:45:47
  SPEAKER_05: She's a sexy lamp that makes a high-pitched shrieking noise anytime you plug it in.
• 1:45:51
  SPEAKER_07: She is very Spielberg's wife.
• 1:45:54
  SPEAKER_07: Yes.
• 1:45:54
  SPEAKER_05: She did marry Spielberg.
• 1:45:56
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 1:45:57
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 1:45:58
  SPEAKER_07: But in that movie, she is so annoying.
• 1:46:01
  SPEAKER_07: Every five seconds, she's just like literally screeches.
• 1:46:04
  SPEAKER_07: Like the noise she emits is a screech.
• 1:46:07
  SPEAKER_07: Look, I like a woman in a movie, but I like a woman in a movie who does a thing.
• 1:46:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:46:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 1:46:14
  SPEAKER_02: So now you've only ranked five of the Indiana Jones movies.
• 1:46:17
  SPEAKER_02: What about the other two?
• 1:46:18
  SPEAKER_05: So I'm not counting every episode of Young Indiana Jones Chronicles.
• 1:46:22
  SPEAKER_05: It's a separate movie.
• 1:46:23
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, that would be insane.
• 1:46:24
  SPEAKER_02: I'm talking about the mummy and the mummy returns.
• 1:46:28
  SPEAKER_06: Oh no, Mundy, those are one and two.
• 1:46:31
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
• 1:46:32
  SPEAKER_07: Yes.
• 1:46:32
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, the mummy is one top.
• 1:46:36
  SPEAKER_07: Because it is gold.
• 1:46:39
  SPEAKER_02: Last crusade.
• 1:46:42
  SPEAKER_02: The mummy, last crusade.
• 1:46:46
  SPEAKER_01: Invaders, mummy returns.
• 1:46:50
  SPEAKER_07: This is correct.
• 1:46:52
  SPEAKER_07: Yes.
• 1:46:53
  SPEAKER_07: Yes, Munzie.
• 1:46:55
  SPEAKER_07: Correct.
• 1:46:55
  SPEAKER_07: Okay, we have to end this podcast so we can all go watch the mummy.
• 1:47:03
  SPEAKER_07: I am too sad that we don't that anyone exists.
• 1:47:06
  SPEAKER_07: We don't get money.
• 1:47:13
  SPEAKER_05: Two other little things I picked up about the Indiana Jones sag as a whole.
• 1:47:17
  SPEAKER_05: In every movie, the villain is ultimately foiled by getting the thing they want, but not understanding it.
• 1:47:25
  SPEAKER_07: A monkey's paw.
• 1:47:27
  SPEAKER_05: Bellok gets to open the Ark of the Covenant.
• 1:47:30
  SPEAKER_05: It kills him and all of his friends.
• 1:47:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 1:47:32
  SPEAKER_05: Mola Ram tries to take back the Sankara stones.
• 1:47:35
  SPEAKER_05: They say, screw this guy in particular, and cause him to fall a long way into a jump cut to stock footage of crocodiles.
• 1:47:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:47:44
  SPEAKER_05: Again, the climax of that one is not great in terms of visual effects.
• 1:47:49
  SPEAKER_05: It screams we ran out of money.
• 1:47:51
  SPEAKER_05: But Kate Blanchett wants to gain knowledge from the transimential aliens, and they give her so much she literally explodes.
• 1:47:58
  SPEAKER_05: Because again, screw her.
• 1:48:00
  SPEAKER_05: Also, every movie introduces an entirely new character with a long backstory with Indiana Jones that we have to infer from context because we've never seen them before.
• 1:48:10
  SPEAKER_07: It's accurate.
• 1:48:12
  SPEAKER_07: Dan, that's what being an academic's life is like.
• 1:48:16
  SPEAKER_07: If you're an academic archaeologist, this is just how you roll.
• 1:48:21
  SPEAKER_07: You just have so many past enemies.
• 1:48:23
  SPEAKER_07: It's true.
• 1:48:24
  SPEAKER_07: Arrivals.
• 1:48:26
  SPEAKER_07: Right?
• 1:48:26
  SPEAKER_07: In archaeology and academia.
• 1:48:29
  SPEAKER_07: You don't know if this is gonna be from a like a university, or I don't know, that weird temple that you stormed.
• 1:48:35
  SPEAKER_07: You don't could be anything.
• 1:48:38
  SPEAKER_05: So I can't really fault Dial of Destiny for the fact that no, Indy, you must come back to the modern day and live your life comes from a character that we met two hours and ten minutes ago and not short round.
• 1:48:51
  SPEAKER_05: I can fault that a little, that it's not short round.
• 1:48:53
  SPEAKER_05: Because there's always someone that he's known for decades that we just met earlier in this movie.
• 1:48:59
  unknown: It's true.
• 1:48:59
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, there's life outside of these things.
• 1:49:02
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 1:49:03
  SPEAKER_07: We just don't see it.
• 1:49:04
  SPEAKER_07: The movies don't have time for that.
• 1:49:07
  SPEAKER_02: That's true.
• 1:49:07
  SPEAKER_02: They have to repeat the phrase penitent men.
• 1:49:10
  SPEAKER_05: Oh man, he says penitent so many times.
• 1:49:13
  SPEAKER_07: It's also so funny because you're like, just kneel.
• 1:49:15
  SPEAKER_07: That's literally it.
• 1:49:16
  SPEAKER_07: They set it all up.
• 1:49:18
  SPEAKER_07: They set it all up for you.
• 1:49:19
  SPEAKER_07: They set it up.
• 1:49:20
  SPEAKER_07: Kneel.
• 1:49:21
  SPEAKER_07: But also, it's not just kneeling.
• 1:49:22
  SPEAKER_07: You gotta kneel and then dive roll because there's that second saw that comes up from the ground.
• 1:49:27
  SPEAKER_05: People have figured out what is up with the second saw.
• 1:49:29
  SPEAKER_05: Oh.
• 1:49:30
  SPEAKER_05: It's like this is a booby trap meant you escape that if you kneel before God.
• 1:49:34
  SPEAKER_05: But if your way of showing respect to God is to kneel and then put your head down on the ground, like Muslims.
• 1:49:43
  SPEAKER_05: Second saw gets you.
• 1:49:45
  SPEAKER_07: So you gotta dive roll.
• 1:49:46
  SPEAKER_07: Kneel and dive roll.
• 1:49:48
  SPEAKER_05: Indy just knelt a little too late.
• 1:49:50
  SPEAKER_05: Or it's just there to as a second screw you, because maybe they just didn't want anybody to get in.
• 1:49:56
  SPEAKER_02: I do like, um I do like that if we don't count.
• 1:50:00
  SPEAKER_02: Crystal Skull or Dial of Destiny because they didn't happen for 15 years and it was conceptualized as a trilogy.
• 1:50:06
  SPEAKER_02: But I like that we ended the third one the way that we began the first one with Indy in a cave that is filled with cobwebs, uh, having been betrayed by all of the people that he trusted from all sides with no help from anybody, trying to find an ancient artifact and avoid the booby traps.
• 1:50:25
  SPEAKER_07: It's great.
• 1:50:27
  SPEAKER_02: It is nicely full circle.
• 1:50:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:50:30
  SPEAKER_02: That makes my brain make the good chemicals because I love narrative symmetry.
• 1:50:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 1:50:35
  SPEAKER_02: I guess force bridge is dope.
• 1:50:37
  SPEAKER_07: That invisible bridge, great.
• 1:50:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's so good.
• 1:50:42
  SPEAKER_07: Yep.
• 1:50:43
  SPEAKER_07: And you you know it's gonna be there.
• 1:50:45
  SPEAKER_07: We saw the picture of the guy floating.
• 1:50:47
  SPEAKER_07: We know it's gonna be there, but it's still a great moment.
• 1:50:50
  SPEAKER_07: But you don't know how it's a great moment.
• 1:50:52
  SPEAKER_05: So I guess that's ultimately my take.
• 1:50:55
  SPEAKER_05: Is uh Dial of Destiny, better than people say, Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.
• 1:51:01
  SPEAKER_05: If you know it's gonna be very dumb for the last 20 minutes, still fun.
• 1:51:05
  SPEAKER_05: And Temple of Doom has that minecart chase and short round.
• 1:51:10
  SPEAKER_05: Some of them are all bad.
• 1:51:11
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, short round, great.
• 1:51:13
  SPEAKER_07: Minecart is the ride.
• 1:51:15
  SPEAKER_07: When you go to Disney, that's the ride you take.
• 1:51:19
  SPEAKER_07: It's on that minecart.
• 1:51:21
  SPEAKER_05: So we're all thumbing through our DVD cases looking for our copies of the mummy.
• 1:51:26
  SPEAKER_05: So why don't I just start wrapping us up?
• 1:51:29
  SPEAKER_05: Terms of the top 10 in North America, minus 24 different countries, in the US and Canada.
• 1:51:36
  SPEAKER_05: Batman, obviously number one, Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade trailed by just under$60 million.
• 1:51:43
  SPEAKER_05: Loving Indiana Jones.
• 1:51:46
  SPEAKER_05: Number three, Riggs and Murta are back together and they're having a bit more fun and a little less gloomy, even though a lot of their friends get murdered by apartheid drug dealers in Lethal Weapon 2.
• 1:51:57
  SPEAKER_07: Okay.
• 1:51:58
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 1:51:59
  SPEAKER_05: Number four, it's a baby, but he's Bruce Willis.
• 1:52:03
  SPEAKER_05: Look who's Talking.
• 1:52:04
  SPEAKER_07: Okay.
• 1:52:05
  SPEAKER_05: So I freaking love Look Who's Talking Classic.
• 1:52:10
  SPEAKER_07: And I also love Look Who's Talking 2.
• 1:52:13
  SPEAKER_05: What about Look Who's Talking Now?
• 1:52:15
  SPEAKER_07: With the dogs?
• 1:52:16
  SPEAKER_07: Yes.
• 1:52:17
  SPEAKER_07: Also love.
• 1:52:18
  SPEAKER_07: Here for all three of these.
• 1:52:20
  SPEAKER_05: Number five, Rick Moranis does some science and creates an awkward conversation with his mother or with his wife in Honey I Shrunk the Kids.
• 1:52:29
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 1:52:30
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 1:52:30
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 1:52:31
  SPEAKER_05: Number six, that to be continued that was slapped in the home video releases back a few years back, pays off as Marty McFly and Doc Brown answer that classic question posed by Huey Lewis in the news.
• 1:52:46
  SPEAKER_05: Tell me, Doctor, where are we going this time?
• 1:52:49
  SPEAKER_05: Is it the 50s or 1999?
• 1:52:52
  SPEAKER_05: It's not 1999, Huey, but I knew you know you needed the rhyme.
• 1:52:56
  SPEAKER_05: But essentially, it's both in Back to the Future Part 2.
• 1:53:02
  SPEAKER_05: Number seven, the gang gets back together to dust off ghosts like some true ghost dusters.
• 1:53:09
  SPEAKER_05: Thank you, run DMC, in Ghostbusters 2.
• 1:53:12
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 1:53:13
  SPEAKER_05: Number eight, driving this daisy.
• 1:53:16
  SPEAKER_05: Somehow.
• 1:53:17
  SPEAKER_01: I mean that made money.
• 1:53:21
  SPEAKER_07: People watched it because they wanted to see people be friends.
• 1:53:24
  SPEAKER_07: See, it has famous people in it.
• 1:53:27
  SPEAKER_07: Yep.
• 1:53:27
  SPEAKER_02: No, it didn't at the time.
• 1:53:29
  SPEAKER_02: The Jessica Tandy, the most famous person at the time that it was made, was Dan Aykroyd.
• 1:53:34
  SPEAKER_02: He was famous.
• 1:53:35
  SPEAKER_02: It's 89.
• 1:53:38
  SPEAKER_07: They got fooled.
• 1:53:39
  SPEAKER_07: They tried to create these Ghostbusters and they ended up there.
• 1:53:43
  SPEAKER_07: They thought it would be funny.
• 1:53:46
  SPEAKER_07: It wasn't.
• 1:53:48
  SPEAKER_07: Ghostbusters 2 is bad.
• 1:53:50
  SPEAKER_02: I don't like Driving Miss Daisy, but it's definitely the best movie that Dan Aykroyd made this year.
• 1:53:55
  SPEAKER_07: I mean Ghostbusters 2 is it's not good.
• 1:53:58
  SPEAKER_07: No.
• 1:53:58
  SPEAKER_05: They tried a little too hard to recreate the first one.
• 1:54:01
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 1:54:02
  SPEAKER_05: Number nine, Parenthood, in which multiple wings of a large extended family deal with child rearing in very different ways, which would later inspire two different TV shows.
• 1:54:14
  SPEAKER_05: One that I watched for several years and greatly enjoyed, until the fact that the one branch of the family with the autistic son and the father got fired, and now the mother had breast cancer.
• 1:54:24
  SPEAKER_05: And I was like, this is too much.
• 1:54:26
  SPEAKER_05: This is too much for one wing of this family.
• 1:54:28
  SPEAKER_01: So drama.
• 1:54:30
  SPEAKER_05: But it had Peter Krauss in it.
• 1:54:32
  SPEAKER_05: And if you're a TV show with Peter Krauss, there is a there's a floor to how bad you can be.
• 1:54:37
  SPEAKER_05: And number 10, Dead Poet Society.
• 1:54:42
  SPEAKER_05: The international box office was not having it with Daisy or Parenthood.
• 1:54:49
  SPEAKER_05: Obviously, number one, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.
• 1:54:52
  SPEAKER_05: Number two, Batman trailing by slightly over 60 million dollars.
• 1:54:57
  SPEAKER_05: Interesting that the margin was that close, it just flipped places.
• 1:55:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:55:02
  SPEAKER_05: Number three, Back to the Future Part Two.
• 1:55:04
  SPEAKER_05: Number four, Look Who's Talking.
• 1:55:07
  SPEAKER_05: Number five, Dead Poet Society.
• 1:55:10
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:55:10
  SPEAKER_05: Number six, Lethal Weapon Two.
• 1:55:12
  SPEAKER_05: Number seven, uh Honey I Shrunk the Kids.
• 1:55:15
  SPEAKER_05: Number eight, Ghostbusters Two.
• 1:55:18
  SPEAKER_05: Number nine, the new plan by Walt Disney to release a new animated film every year for ten years straight.
• 1:55:26
  SPEAKER_05: Decides to work on a little Hans Christian Andersen story called The Little Mermaid, beginning a string of hits that would be known by film historians as the Disney Renaissance.
• 1:55:37
  SPEAKER_05: That didn't top ten in America?
• 1:55:38
  SPEAKER_07: I was gonna say, I was wondering because I know that's 1989.
• 1:55:42
  SPEAKER_07: I was wondering.
• 1:55:43
  SPEAKER_07: There we go.
• 1:55:44
  SPEAKER_05: Childhood.
• 1:55:46
  SPEAKER_05: It didn't quite top ten in the United States.
• 1:55:51
  SPEAKER_07: But hey, the Europeans love them some hands, Christian Anderson.
• 1:55:54
  SPEAKER_07: They love some little hermics.
• 1:56:00
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, it did.
• 1:56:01
  SPEAKER_07: Sure did.
• 1:56:03
  SPEAKER_05: Wow.
• 1:56:05
  SPEAKER_05: Jody Benson nailing it.
• 1:56:07
  SPEAKER_01: Good old Jodie Benson.
• 1:56:10
  SPEAKER_05: Sometimes you build momentum rather than the first one being the big one.
• 1:56:14
  SPEAKER_05: And at number 10, surprisingly, born on the 4th of July.
• 1:56:18
  unknown: Huh.
• 1:56:19
  SPEAKER_07: Ah.
• 1:56:20
  SPEAKER_07: Okay, international.
• 1:56:23
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 1:56:27
  SPEAKER_05: Right?
• 1:56:29
  SPEAKER_05: It's such an American movie, and it apparently did well in, I guess, Britain.
• 1:56:35
  SPEAKER_07: Did they just want to see it because they thought it was like hilarious American?
• 1:56:39
  SPEAKER_07: And they're like, let's see what America's doing.
• 1:56:42
  SPEAKER_05: They're just curious.
• 1:56:43
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 1:56:44
  SPEAKER_05: Look, it's possible that they all just showed up for Tom Cruise.
• 1:56:48
  SPEAKER_07: Tom Cruise is famous.
• 1:56:50
  SPEAKER_07: There.
• 1:56:51
  SPEAKER_07: It is the late 80s.
• 1:56:52
  SPEAKER_07: Tom Cruise's peak Tom Cruise in.
• 1:56:54
  SPEAKER_02: People were rolling in to watch that dude flare bartend.
• 1:56:57
  SPEAKER_05: Right?
• 1:56:58
  SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
• 1:56:59
  SPEAKER_05: Terms of Academy versus audience.
• 1:57:01
  SPEAKER_05: Driving Miss Daisy isn't even, in my opinion, the best Oscar-winning movie about someone learning to be less racist via chauffeuring, featuring a scene where the passenger is horrified that the driver pulls over to pee.
• 1:57:13
  SPEAKER_05: Oh god.
• 1:57:17
  SPEAKER_05: I am a hundred percent audience, and I think maybe the international audience was slightly more right.
• 1:57:24
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I'm on board with that.
• 1:57:27
  SPEAKER_06: I'm horrified that these are sentences, right?
• 1:57:31
  SPEAKER_02: You're gonna watch the other one someday.
• 1:57:33
  SPEAKER_07: We will.
• 1:57:34
  SPEAKER_07: Oh no, it's green book!
• 1:57:37
  SPEAKER_05: Oh no, it is, it is it might be Birdman, you don't know.
• 1:57:44
  SPEAKER_07: I've seen Birdman.
• 1:57:47
  SPEAKER_07: It's green book.
• 1:57:48
  SPEAKER_07: That's what we're gonna watch.
• 1:57:50
  SPEAKER_02: You don't, you don't and can't know that.
• 1:57:52
  SPEAKER_02: That might happen during Crash.
• 1:57:55
  SPEAKER_07: The 1990s crash with James Spader during Chicago.
• 1:58:01
  SPEAKER_05: I don't think anybody pulls over to do stuff with the dicks in crash.
• 1:58:09
  SPEAKER_06: Hey, the best thing about the Chicago year is I'm doing the summaries.
• 1:58:13
  SPEAKER_07: Nice.
• 1:58:14
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, I do like Chicago.
• 1:58:16
  SPEAKER_07: I like me some Fozie.
• 1:58:17
  SPEAKER_06: That year is peak Erin.
• 1:58:20
  SPEAKER_07: Yes, fabulous.
• 1:58:21
  SPEAKER_07: I'm here.
• 1:58:22
  SPEAKER_06: It was the year I picked for a joke by random, but whew.
• 1:58:25
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, anyway, sorry.
• 1:58:27
  SPEAKER_06: Obviously, Last Crusade is the best movie.
• 1:58:30
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
• 1:58:31
  SPEAKER_02: I have to ride or die for Batman.
• 1:58:34
  SPEAKER_07: Fair.
• 1:58:35
  SPEAKER_02: No, I get it.
• 1:58:36
  SPEAKER_07: Munzie in Batman.
• 1:58:39
  SPEAKER_07: Michael Keaton asks a normal-sized woman how much she weighs, and that 5'8 woman says I weigh 108 pounds on film, and then later he chastises her for lying.
• 1:58:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but also Child Me had all of the action figures and the trading cards.
• 1:58:59
  SPEAKER_02: I had the action figure of Bob the Goon.
• 1:59:02
  SPEAKER_02: He came with a bowie knife and a karate kicky way.
• 1:59:07
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, that's fabulous!
• 1:59:10
  SPEAKER_02: I am so pot committed to Batman 89 right now.
• 1:59:14
  SPEAKER_07: That's fine.
• 1:59:15
  SPEAKER_07: I love that.
• 1:59:15
  SPEAKER_07: That's great.
• 1:59:17
  SPEAKER_07: No one in 89 cared about this wait discussion, but boy, do I care.
• 1:59:21
  SPEAKER_07: That doesn't have to be in the movie.
• 1:59:23
  SPEAKER_07: It's also real awkward.
• 1:59:25
  SPEAKER_07: It's also, I was like, 108.
• 1:59:28
  SPEAKER_07: Also, she maybe doesn't, but the movie was like, what sounds good?
• 1:59:34
  SPEAKER_06: Right?
• 1:59:35
  SPEAKER_05: Would it help if that bit had a payout 2023?
• 1:59:39
  SPEAKER_02: Surprise kissing and ending.
• 1:59:41
  SPEAKER_06: I don't co-sign any of this, but that's why I'm not the target audience.
• 1:59:50
  SPEAKER_06: It's okay.
• 1:59:51
  SPEAKER_06: The movie's gonna do what it's gonna do.
• 1:59:53
  SPEAKER_06: It's 1989.
• 1:59:54
  SPEAKER_06: I can't change the past.
• 1:59:55
  SPEAKER_06: No.
• 1:59:56
  SPEAKER_02: I gotta ride for my second favorite Batman movie directed by Tim Burton.
• 2:00:00
  SPEAKER_02: There's only two! No, I like records a lot.
• 2:00:03
  SPEAKER_02: It's my favorite Christmas movie.
• 2:00:08
  SPEAKER_05: Gold.
• 2:00:08
  SPEAKER_05: Gold.
• 2:00:09
  SPEAKER_05: Um, my pairing for this week, the Gotham Martini combines one and a half ounces of citron vodka, three-quarters of an ounce of blue curaceo, one half ounce of pea schnapps, and one half ounce of freshly squeezed lemon juice.
• 2:00:23
  SPEAKER_05: Was the first Batman themed cocktail I found.
• 2:00:25
  SPEAKER_05: Did not have an ingredient.
• 2:00:26
  SPEAKER_05: I swore they were making up on the spot.
• 2:00:29
  SPEAKER_07: That sounds right.
• 2:00:30
  SPEAKER_07: Cute.
• 2:00:31
  SPEAKER_07: I had an iced tea.
• 2:00:33
  SPEAKER_07: It seemed appropriate.
• 2:00:34
  SPEAKER_07: That was my pairing for driving Miss Daisy.
• 2:00:38
  SPEAKER_07: Just a tall glass of iced tea.
• 2:00:41
  SPEAKER_07: Real iced tea, not the weird American iced tea where it's awkward.
• 2:00:46
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, it's just weird.
• 2:00:48
  SPEAKER_07: And then for both of the other two, it was red wine.
• 2:00:52
  SPEAKER_07: Because that's what Bruce Wayne drinks, but then also doesn't drink, but clearly drinks a whole glass and then says he doesn't drink.
• 2:00:58
  SPEAKER_07: The tiniest glass?
• 2:01:00
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 2:01:00
  SPEAKER_07: And the two ounciest glass, right?
• 2:01:03
  SPEAKER_07: He's like, I shall pour a drop of red wine.
• 2:01:05
  SPEAKER_07: And then he's like, I don't drink.
• 2:01:07
  SPEAKER_07: And you're like, come on.
• 2:01:09
  SPEAKER_05: We didn't talk at all about Alfred running around in his wake, grabbing all of his used wine glasses.
• 2:01:14
  SPEAKER_07: Right?
• 2:01:15
  SPEAKER_05: Before he left a ring on the rented casino equipment.
• 2:01:19
  SPEAKER_07: Alfred right butler.
• 2:01:21
  SPEAKER_07: Alfred just wants Bruce Wayne to bone Vicky Vale and tell her the truth.
• 2:01:26
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 2:01:27
  SPEAKER_07: So bad.
• 2:01:28
  SPEAKER_07: That's all he wants.
• 2:01:29
  SPEAKER_07: Picking up pens, picking up wine glasses, bringing her to the Batcave unprompted.
• 2:01:35
  SPEAKER_07: Right?
• 2:01:37
  SPEAKER_02: If Batman is Captain Holt, Alfred is Rosa.
• 2:01:43
  SPEAKER_02: And then Alfred understands that he'll calm down enormously.
• 2:01:50
  SPEAKER_02: Should he simply bone?
• 2:01:52
  SPEAKER_06: If Kevin just shows up, it'll be okay.
• 2:01:55
  SPEAKER_02: Bone and get it over with.
• 2:01:59
  SPEAKER_07: It's yes, accurate statement.
• 2:02:03
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, good movie.
• 2:02:05
  SPEAKER_02: Great.
• 2:02:06
  SPEAKER_02: Two-thirds of these movies were excellent.
• 2:02:11
  SPEAKER_06: Wait, does Munziey have a pairing?
• 2:02:13
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, my pairing!
• 2:02:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yes! I did actually this time.
• 2:02:16
  SPEAKER_02: Uh my pairing with all three of these movies has been a uh blueberry uh Merlot over ice with blueberries in it that I enjoyed a day off that I did not know was going to be a day off at the time I woke up.
• 2:02:30
  SPEAKER_02: Just nostalgic and delicious.
• 2:02:35
  SPEAKER_02: And by the third movie, a little bit pastoral, uh a little bit genteel, very apt for the era in which it all took place, and it was a very lovely day altogether.
• 2:02:46
  SPEAKER_01: That sounds a delight.
• 2:02:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:02:49
  SPEAKER_05: Now I watched every Indiana Jones movie for context in this.
• 2:02:53
  SPEAKER_05: Did I watch every other Batman movie?
• 2:02:55
  SPEAKER_05: No, that would be insane.
• 2:02:57
  SPEAKER_05: Because I already did that.
• 2:02:58
  SPEAKER_05: Four recovered, episodes 29 and 30.
• 2:03:01
  SPEAKER_05: The Batmanning begins and the Batman returns.
• 2:03:04
  SPEAKER_05: So if you want to find out how I think Batman 89 stacks up to the rest of the cinematic Batman, that's where to go to find out.
• 2:03:14
  SPEAKER_05: Because I have misplaced my notes.
• 2:03:23
  SPEAKER_05: They all were, but I also lost my spreadsheet, creating them all on various criteria because as we know, I am so fun at parties.
• 2:03:33
  SPEAKER_05: Uh-huh.
• 2:03:34
  SPEAKER_07: Look, no, Stan, this makes me really sad.
• 2:03:36
  SPEAKER_07: I love a spreadsheet.
• 2:03:38
  SPEAKER_07: So I'm actually like really sad that you lost your spreadsheet.
• 2:03:41
  SPEAKER_05: I'm working on recovering it.
• 2:03:43
  SPEAKER_05: I just didn't work on it fast enough for this particular thing.
• 2:03:46
  SPEAKER_06: I was once going to bed, and then Kyle Gould sent me a spreadsheet with all of the CAT award nominees and winners from the beginning until now.
• 2:03:55
  SPEAKER_06: And I was like, well, now I can't sleep.
• 2:03:57
  SPEAKER_06: I need to look at the spreadsheet for hours and draw conclusions.
• 2:04:03
  SPEAKER_05: If this all sounds like a good time, they're gonna love my various blog projects at Tales from Parts Unknown.com.
• 2:04:11
  SPEAKER_06: If you want to know how I feel about spreadsheets, head over to a flimsyplan.com.
• 2:04:16
  SPEAKER_07: And if you want to know how I feel about spreadsheets, you can follow Dan or Aaron or both of them and find out how Claire feels about spreadsheets, because that's what they talk about.
• 2:04:30
  SPEAKER_02: And if you want to know how I feel about spreadsheets, follow me at munzi.bluesky.social.
• 2:04:38
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to type what I think about spreadsheets right now.
• 2:04:45
  SPEAKER_05: Hold on.
• 2:04:46
  SPEAKER_05: And while you're following them, uh try to give get them to join me over on Letterboxd to just talk about movies where I am at down.
• 2:04:52
  SPEAKER_05: There we go.
• 2:04:53
  SPEAKER_02: My opinion on spreadsheets has been posted.
• 2:04:56
  SPEAKER_07: I love this.
• 2:05:00
  SPEAKER_05: Next time, we leave the 80s and head into the 90s.
• 2:05:05
  SPEAKER_05: A decade where the academies at search for quality art house films hit a slight wall, and that the studios noticed there wasn't any money in them.
• 2:05:14
  SPEAKER_05: But to kick things off, every director has their thing.
• 2:05:20
  SPEAKER_05: Nolan likes serious, introspective white men, Greta Gerwig likes Whimsy, and Kevin Costner loves him a very long western.
• 2:05:31
  SPEAKER_07: Boy.
• 2:05:32
  SPEAKER_05: Does he?
• 2:05:33
  SPEAKER_07: Boy.
• 2:05:34
  SPEAKER_05: Plus, record smashing comedies, and pioneers in the field of sexy Halloween monsters.
• 2:05:44
  SPEAKER_05: But until then, we'll see you at the ceremony.
• 2:05:52
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• 2:05:53
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