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- Lucas: So there's this term that's been floating around more and more in seed-stage fundraising over the last couple of years — the rolling SAFE. And I think a lot of founders still aren't sure what it actually means, or when it makes sense. Luna: Right. And we've talked about SAFEs and rolling closes before, but the rolling SAFE is a specific structure that combines elements of both. Lucas: Exactly. A rolling SAFE is essentially a SAFE note — a Simple Agreement for Future Equity — that the startup keeps open for a period of time, typically several months, rather than closing it all at once. Investors can come in at any point during that window, and they all get the same terms: a valuation cap and a discount rate, usually. Luna: So it's like a continuous fundraise instead of a discrete round. Why is that catching on now? Lucas: Speed and certainty. When you do a traditional priced seed round, you're looking at weeks or months of negotiations, legal docs, due diligence. With a rolling SAFE, you can close your first investor within days, and then keep adding as others come in. The terms are fixed upfront, so there's no back and forth on valuation each time. Luna: And in this market, speed matters. Look at what's happening with tech stocks — NVIDIA is down about two percent over the past five days, Alphabet's down nearly six. Public market volatility makes private fundraising feel more uncertain, so founders want to lock in capital quickly. Lucas: Exactly. And it's not just about speed — it's about reducing the risk of a round falling through. With a single priced round, if a lead investor pulls out, you're scrambling. With a rolling SAFE, you've already banked commitments from multiple investors, so you're never all-in on one check. Luna: That's a big advantage. But it also means you're constantly fundraising, right? There's no clear 'done' moment. Lucas: That's the trade-off. You're essentially in a perpetual fundraising mode for a few months. But founders I've talked to say it's worth it because you can focus on product and customers while still bringing in capital incrementally. Luna: And the investors — who's writing these checks? Is it mostly angel investors or are VCs participating too? Lucas: It's both. Angels love rolling SAFEs because they can write a smaller check and get the same terms as everyone else. But more and more seed-stage VCs are using them too. They see it as a way to build a syndicate quickly without the friction of a full round. Luna: There's also the valuation cap aspect. In a rolling SAFE, the cap is set at the start, but if the startup's traction improves during the rolling period, some investors might feel they got a worse deal than later investors. How do you handle that? Lucas: That's a key point. The whole point of a rolling SAFE is that everyone gets the same terms, so late investors don't get a better cap. But if the startup makes a lot of progress during the rolling period, the cap might look too low. Some founders address this by setting a higher cap upfront, but that can scare off early investors. Luna: So it's a balancing act. You want the cap to be attractive enough to close the first few investors, but not so low that you leave money on the table if you hit it big. Lucas: Right. And there's another structural point — the discount rate. Most rolling SAFEs also include a discount rate, typically 10 to 20 percent, which gives investors a lower price per share when the SAFE converts in the next priced round. That's an extra incentive to invest early. Luna: So the discount rate rewards early investors, while the cap protects later ones from overpaying. That makes sense. Lucas: Exactly. And the conversion mechanics are the same as a standard SAFE — when the startup raises a priced round above the cap, the SAFE converts at the lower of the cap price or the discount price. Luna: But there's a potential downside: the cap table gets messier. With multiple investors coming in at different times, you end up with many small SAFEs that all convert at once. That can be a headache for the next round. Lucas: It can, but it's manageable. Most law firms now have standard templates for rolling SAFEs, and tools like Carta or Pulley make it easy to track. The bigger issue is making sure you don't have so many small investors that your cap table becomes unwieldy — some founders set a minimum investment amount to avoid that. Luna: And what about the size of these rolling SAFEs? Are we seeing larger ones, or are they typically smaller than a traditional seed round? Lucas: They can be any size, but typically they're in the range of 500,000 to 2 million dollars. Some go higher. The key is that the founder sets a target maximum — say 1.5 million — and then stops accepting new investors once that's reached, even if the rolling period hasn't ended. Luna: So there's a cap on the amount, not just the valuation. That gives the founder control over dilution. Lucas: Exactly. And it also signals to investors that the round is finite, which can create a bit of FOMO. 'We only have 500k left in the rolling SAFE, so if you want in, now's the time.' Luna: That's a smart psychological tactic. But let's talk about the broader context — why now? We're in June 2026, and the fundraising environment has evolved a lot since the zero interest rate days. Lucas: Yeah, look at the ARK Innovation ETF — ticker ARKK — it's down about one percent over the past five days, and it's still well below its 2021 highs. That reflects a market that's still cautious on high-growth, unprofitable tech. So startups need to be capital-efficient, and rolling SAFEs let them raise smaller amounts more frequently. Luna: And in a market where later-stage VCs are being more selective, having a clean cap table from a rolling SAFE can make you more attractive. It shows you've already got a base of supporters. Lucas: Right. And there's a legal aspect too — rolling SAFEs are typically done under the same Y Combinator SAFE template, which is well-understood by investors. That lowers the legal costs and time. Luna: I've also heard of some startups using rolling SAFEs after their seed round, as a bridge to Series A. Is that common? Lucas: It's becoming more common. If you need a little extra capital to hit a milestone before your Series A, you can open a rolling SAFE for 500k to 1M. It's faster than a traditional bridge round and doesn't require the same level of due diligence. Luna: But it does add complexity to the cap table. And if the Series A doesn't happen, those SAFEs hang around as liabilities. Lucas: That's true. SAFEs are debt-like in that sense — they have to convert eventually. But if the company fails, they typically convert at zero, so investors get nothing. That's the risk. Luna: Speaking of risk, there's also the risk of investor mismatch. If you're doing a rolling SAFE, you might end up with investors who have different expectations, especially if they come in at different times. Lucas: That's something founders need to manage. You want investors who are aligned with your timeline and vision. Some founders screen investors even for a rolling SAFE, asking for a quick intro call to make sure it's a good fit. Luna: So it's not just a 'send money and forget' instrument. There's still relationship building. Lucas: Absolutely. And that's actually one of the benefits — you build a base of supporters who can help you with intros, advice, and future rounds. Luna: I want to zoom out for a second. We've talked about the mechanics, but what's the big picture trend? Are rolling SAFEs becoming the default for seed rounds? Lucas: I wouldn't say default yet, but definitely on the rise. In 2025, about 20 percent of seed-stage deals in the US used a rolling structure, and I expect that number to grow. The flexibility is just too appealing in a market where speed is critical. Luna: And if that trend continues, we might see more standardization around terms — like standard discount rates, standard cap ranges. Lucas: Exactly. We're already seeing some law firms offering standard rolling SAFE templates with built-in investor limits and automatic conversion triggers. That will make it even easier for founders to use them. Luna: One last thing — what about the impact on the next round? If you have a large rolling SAFE, does that complicate the Series A pricing? Lucas: It can, because the SAFE conversion creates a lot of shares at a low price, which can push down the Series A price if the valuation hasn't grown enough. But if you set the cap appropriately, it's usually fine. Founders should model out the conversion to see how dilution looks. Luna: If these conversations are useful for what you're building or running, and you'd like to see the show stay free of sponsor interruptions, there's a simple way to help. Lucas: Yeah. You can throw a couple of dollars into the tip jar at buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. It's a small thing that adds up, and it keeps the show independent and ad-free. Luna: Right, no pressure at all. But if you've gotten value from episodes like this one, that's where you can put your money where your ears are. Lucas: So to wrap up — rolling SAFEs are a powerful tool for founders who want to raise capital quickly and flexibly, but they come with trade-offs around cap table complexity and investor alignment. The key is to use them intentionally, not as a default. Luna: And as the market continues to evolve, we'll probably see even more innovation in fundraising structures. The rolling SAFE is just one piece of that puzzle. Lucas: Absolutely. Thanks for listening, and we'll be back next time with another deep dive into the mechanics of early-stage startups.