Latest / Mini Scroll / MINI TECH SCROLL: AI artist hits Billboard charts, male newsfluencers dominate + are AI browsers a security threat?
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- 0:30Fridays. My name is Annabelle and I'm
- 0:32your Wednesday Mini Tech Scroll host and also the deputy editor
- 0:35of the youth digital media brand Centennial World.
- 0:39Welcome back to Mini Tech Scroll for another week.
- 0:42This is our first week in the new office.
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- 1:26want to check that out, But let's just get right into the
- 1:28content for today. The first thing we need to talk
- 1:30about is how we have officially had the first AI artist debut on
- 1:35a radio Billboard chart. So I have literally seen this
- 1:38all over my For You page, but if you haven't, an AI generated
- 1:42artist named Zania Monet is quote the first AI powered
- 1:47artist to debut on an airplay chart this week.
- 1:50As per Billboard, Zania is an artist who was created by a
- 1:53Mississippi based poet, Talisha Nikki Jones, and she reportedly
- 1:58uses an AI music tool called Suno to create the music for
- 2:03Zania. Zinnia appears as a black woman
- 2:07and I'll insert some videos on the screen for those of you who
- 2:11are watching, and she seemingly produces contemporary R&B style
- 2:16music. I've seen a lot of people
- 2:17comparing her to my girl Beyoncé, and I can definitely
- 2:21hear some influence there, but obviously no one can top the
- 2:26Queen. Now, Zinnia has charted on
- 2:30several Billboard charts up until this point, but why she is
- 2:33currently making the news is that she has earned enough radio
- 2:37airplay to debut on the Billboard radio chart.
- 2:41The song in question is 1 called How Was I Supposed to Know?
- 2:44And that has actually also made the rounds on TikTok.
- 2:47But before this, she debuted on the Billboard charts for quote,
- 2:51Hot Gospel songs with Let Go, Let Go which climbed to #3 on
- 2:56the chart and Hot RB songs with How Was I Supposed to Know which
- 3:00hit #20 at its peak. I also should add here that
- 3:03Zinnia is buying means the first AI artist to chart on Billboard,
- 3:08but she is definitely the first one to kind of break out of the
- 3:11digital space and have radio appeal.
- 3:14And after she initially started getting buzzed, there was an
- 3:16alleged bidding war to sign her with office up in the millions.
- 3:20Which is crazy to think about when it is an AI generated
- 3:23persona who wouldn't be able to tour maybe in the same way as a
- 3:28human artist. And that is honestly where
- 3:31artists make so much of their money.
- 3:32But it was reported in the end that Hallwood Media ultimately
- 3:35signed her to a multimillion dollar deal.
- 3:38There is obviously a lot to say about this story, and I do think
- 3:43we can make quite a few comparisons to Tilly Norwood,
- 3:47who was the AI actress that recently made waves in the
- 3:51industry that I reported on a couple weeks ago.
- 3:54But while I was preparing this story, I did scroll through
- 3:56Zinnia's TikTok content. At the time of recording she is
- 4:00sitting at around 450K followers with some of her most popular
- 4:04videos getting millions and millions of views.
- 4:07And the comment sections of her videos are a little bit sauce.
- 4:10I won't lie, you have a lot of people who are hyping her up,
- 4:14which I think could be bots. They kind of have the vibe of
- 4:18bot generated comments, but then you also have others questioning
- 4:22whether she is a real person or not.
- 4:24Once again showing how it is getting harder and harder to
- 4:27differentiate between AI content and human content online.
- 4:31I also saw an interesting take by a creator named Zowie.
- 4:35I think that's how you pronounce it.
- 4:37I'm not 100% sure but I have referenced her here before.
- 4:40She is a tech content creator and also a VC.
- 4:44But in her video talking about Zinnia, she posed a couple of
- 4:48interesting questions that I also think are important to
- 4:52raise. First she asked who actually
- 4:54gets paid when the artist is AI? Is it the platform that is
- 4:59helping Talisha Jones produce the music?
- 5:01Or is it Talisha herself? And then she also wondered who
- 5:05we can actually qualify as the artist.
- 5:08I think these two questions will only be answered as this kind of
- 5:11first wave of AI artists and performers come through.
- 5:16So I do think that is just something that the industry will
- 5:19eventually have to sort out. So everyone says that they don't
- 5:22want AI music, but one of the newest artists climbing the
- 5:25Billboard charts right now isn't even human.
- 5:27There are a lot of questions that come up to mind for me.
- 5:29Like who actually gets paid here?
- 5:31Is it Suno or Talisha Jones or the artist that her model was
- 5:34trained on? And who is the actual artist
- 5:36here? Is it Talisha Jones or Suno the
- 5:38software? On top of this, she also added
- 5:41that down the line she could see the introduction of certain
- 5:43categories in award shows that focus on AI generated music,
- 5:47which I could also see being the case unless the industry really
- 5:51is trying to separate itself from endorsing this kind of
- 5:55music. Something that I wanted to add
- 5:58to this conversation though is what this kind of AI generated
- 6:01artist means for representation. On the one hand, I do think you
- 6:05could make the argument that these artists create more
- 6:08diversity in the industry through diversity of
- 6:11opportunity. Like maybe someone is a
- 6:13brilliant songwriter or poet, but they can't actually sing.
- 6:17I don't know if that is a valid argument, but I think we can't
- 6:20ignore that. I do think it's also worth
- 6:23asking whether these types of artists are taking opportunities
- 6:26away from real people who can represent marginalized groups
- 6:31and minorities. But I'm curious to hear what you
- 6:33guys think about this, especially around the questions
- 6:36of compensation that the Tik Toker raised.
- 6:39If Talisha isn't the one being paid.
- 6:41It does feel like the industry is just finding a new way to
- 6:45profit off the image and sound of black R&B artists without
- 6:50fair recognition or reward. I'm not sure where I sit on this
- 6:54as a whole yet. I feel like I really have to
- 6:56think about it and see how the industry and consumers react to
- 7:01these kind of artists. But I'm definitely curious to
- 7:04hear your thoughts. Actually have another piece of
- 7:08music industry cross AI news that dropped this week.
- 7:11This is a little bit of a tangent, but Universal Music is
- 7:14teaming up with AI music platform Video after settling A
- 7:17lawsuit with them. So the lawsuit was a copyright
- 7:20issue, which is something that we have become accustomed to
- 7:24with AI generation. At this point.
- 7:26Universal basically hopes to prove how various AI generated
- 7:30songs on Udio resembled or mimicked Universal owned music.
- 7:36As part of the agreement, they will now be teaming up on a new
- 7:39streaming platform, which is being billed as part Spotify,
- 7:43part creator driven, part social network, according to the
- 7:47Rolling Stone. Per the publication quote.
- 7:49The idea, execs for both companies tell Rolling Stone is
- 7:53a service that, with artist permission, will allow listeners
- 7:56to use AI to revamp well known songs, utilize singers, actual
- 8:01voices for new creations, and mash up multiple artist styles,
- 8:04among other innovations. On top of this, on this new
- 8:07platform, no AI creations can be downloaded or posted outside the
- 8:12platform and it seems that users will only be allowed to work
- 8:15with songs and creators who have opted in.
- 8:18It kind of seems like Universal is trying to find a more
- 8:21permanent solution to all the copyright issues that are coming
- 8:25up with AI because there clearly seems to be a demand among
- 8:29audiences to make AI generated music.
- 8:32Whether that is a desire to consume it, I'm not so sure.
- 8:36I think it's a little bit different, but obviously when
- 8:39consumers and users create AI music and post it elsewhere, it
- 8:44can be a form of stealing and will likely hurt many people in
- 8:48the industry like producers and writers down the line.
- 8:51So it does kind of seem like Universal is trying to strike a
- 8:55balance between what is happening online and what
- 8:58consumers are already doing and protecting artists.
- 9:01I'm not too sure if this will be successful, but I'm intrigued to
- 9:04see what actually happens with this platform.
- 9:06OK, the next story I have for you guys today is all about this
- 9:10report that has recently come about news fluences.
- 9:13The report was released by Reuters Institute for the Study
- 9:16of Journalism, which is the UK based Research Institute and
- 9:19think tank based at the University of Oxford.
- 9:23Last week they published a report all about news fluences.
- 9:26The whole thing is like 80 pages so there is a lot in there.
- 9:29I would definitely recommend reading it though, I found it
- 9:31super interesting. But before we get into some of
- 9:34the key findings, I did just want to note the research
- 9:37methodology because after doing my honours year at university I
- 9:41realized how important that is. So most of the data came from
- 9:46the Reuters Institute Digital News Report surveys through 2024
- 9:50and 2025. The researchers also used open
- 9:53text response boxes to collect the data and it was across 24
- 9:57countries through Europe, the Americas, Africa and the Asia
- 10:01Pacific. I thought though I would go
- 10:04through some of the more useful findings or interesting findings
- 10:07in the report. And the first thing that I found
- 10:10to be quite useful is how the research is differentiated
- 10:13between different types of news creators.
- 10:16And they broke it down into 4 categories.
- 10:19The first was commentary, which is like the Joe Rogan's of the
- 10:22world. These creators are often
- 10:25polarizing and maybe a little bit controversial given that
- 10:28they are unconstrained by the rules around traditional media
- 10:31and also rage bait. This type of content is just
- 10:34what gets engagement online at the moment as we all know.
- 10:37The next type of creator though was news and investigation
- 10:41creators. So these are creators or citizen
- 10:43journalists who maybe break news but also create meticulously
- 10:47researched content. The next was explanation driven
- 10:52creators, and these are people who give context and explain the
- 10:55news quite simply and getting down to the basics, which is
- 11:00often catering to younger audiences.
- 11:02And lastly, the report notes the specialists who are creators or
- 11:05journalists who specialize in a certain topic.
- 11:08And the report actually uses Taylor Lorenz here as an
- 11:11example. Aside from these news fluencies
- 11:14slash news creators, the report also notes the existence of news
- 11:18adjacent creators who, quote, rarely talk about news and
- 11:21politics. But the size of their audience,
- 11:23which is often larger than those in the first section, and the
- 11:26trust and authenticity that they have built up can still have a
- 11:29powerful impact on political debates.
- 11:32And an example of this is someone like Alex Cooper.
- 11:35Anyway, I thought that was quite a useful way to qualify
- 11:39different types of news creators because I do think they often
- 11:42get lumped together as one type of creator when there definitely
- 11:45is a lot of different niches within this corner of the
- 11:49Internet. Anyway, let's get into some of
- 11:51the key findings, which is probably the most interesting
- 11:54part of the report. The research has found that
- 11:56there are significant differences between countries as
- 11:59far as the impact of news creators.
- 12:01I was surprised to learn that some of the places where news
- 12:04creators are the most influential are places like
- 12:06Nigeria, Kenya and South Africa. And by contrast, Japan and the
- 12:11UK and the Netherlands were some of the places where these
- 12:13creators are the least influential or impactful.
- 12:17Off the back of this, another finding was that creator
- 12:19consumption is generally national or local in nature,
- 12:23meaning users tend to consume domestic creators.
- 12:26This definitely doesn't surprise me.
- 12:28I feel like I would see a lot of Australian news creators
- 12:32compared to someone abroad because why is it relevant to
- 12:34them? But the report also does note a
- 12:37significant overlap in English speaking countries, which I can
- 12:41definitely see in terms of how many creators the United States
- 12:44would export to places like Australia.
- 12:47But perhaps the most egregious finding, and potentially
- 12:52upsetting finding, is that news creators and personalities tend
- 12:55to be men. I fear it's not really a
- 12:58surprise, but it is always confronting to see it in the
- 13:01data. So the researchers found that
- 13:0385% of the top 15 news content creators are men across the 24
- 13:08countries. This oversaturation of men is
- 13:11especially pervasive in political commentary, which also
- 13:14doesn't surprise me since our audience is mostly based in the
- 13:18US and Australia. I thought I would share that in
- 13:21Australia, 13 out of the top 15 news creators that were listed
- 13:25were men, compared to 12 out of 15 in the United States.
- 13:29And also a lot of the most frequently mentioned creators
- 13:32actually crossed over. It seemed that the Philippines
- 13:34actually had the lowest proportion of men, with only
- 13:37seven out of 15 being mentioned. I will say that this isn't the
- 13:42first piece of research that has come out that has made this
- 13:44conclusion. I remember data by the Pew
- 13:47Research Center last year found that online news influences are
- 13:52predominantly men and more likely to be conservative.
- 13:55In their study, the center found that 62% were men, with a
- 13:59slightly larger share identifying as Republican
- 14:01conservative or pro Donald Trump than as Democratic liberal or
- 14:05pro Kamala Harris. Obviously this was conducted
- 14:08during the 2024 presidential election there.
- 14:12Interestingly though, TikTok stood out with a smaller gender
- 14:16gap and a more balanced political representation where
- 14:19it was the only platform where left-leaning creators
- 14:21outnumbered their right wing counterparts.
- 14:23But yes, I would definitely recommend if you're interested,
- 14:26checking out the Pew Research data as well as the report that
- 14:29was just released. I have obviously highlighted the
- 14:32key findings, but it also includes a country by country
- 14:35comparison, which I thought was really interesting and telling.
- 14:39But I am also the reason why I wanted to report on this,
- 14:45though, was especially in light of the Teen Vogue story that
- 14:49Lauren covered yesterday where the politics team was eliminated
- 14:52and Black journalists were laid off.
- 14:55We often talk about social media as a space that's opened up
- 14:58opportunities for storytelling and information sharing.
- 15:01And there is definitely truth to that.
- 15:03Like there are so many citizen journalists and digital creators
- 15:06online that are platforming stories that matter to
- 15:09minorities and marginalized community that would not be
- 15:11covered otherwise. But at the top, we still see the
- 15:14same patterns as traditional media.
- 15:16It's still mostly men who are delivering the news and decide
- 15:19what's important in more mainstream capacities.
- 15:22Of course, part of this is the platform's fault.
- 15:25Platforms rarely do enough to limit misogyny and harassment
- 15:29towards women, ultimately silencing many women's voices as
- 15:33they seek to kind of protect themselves.
- 15:36This is something we see especially on YouTube, which the
- 15:38report also happens to find as the most important platform for
- 15:42news creators. So this only father stifles
- 15:45women in these spaces. But anyway, I guess the moral of
- 15:49the story is to keep platforming women and gender diverse folk
- 15:54and just more diverse news creators so we can ensure
- 15:57inclusivity, diversity, representation and coverage and
- 16:01perspectives in the news. Because that is honestly what is
- 16:04very important. And finally, the last quick
- 16:07story I actually wanted to mention today is the
- 16:09conversation going around at the moment about AI browsers and how
- 16:13they are actually a security risk.
- 16:15I've seen numerous articles published over the past week
- 16:18from publications like The Verge, NBC News, and Futurism
- 16:21talking about the risks with AI browsers like Chachi, BT's
- 16:25Atlas, or Microsoft's Copilot mode.
- 16:28As reported by The Verge quote, in the past few weeks alone,
- 16:31researchers have uncovered vulnerabilities in Atlas
- 16:34allowing attackers to take advantage of Chat GPT's memory
- 16:38to inject malicious code, grant themselves access privileges, or
- 16:42deploy malware. Flaws discovered in Comet could
- 16:45allow attackers to hijack the browser's AI with hidden
- 16:48instructions. Some of these threats are unique
- 16:51to AI browsers compared to standard browsers due to the
- 16:54memory functions like The Verge mentioned.
- 16:57So that is when the AI basically learns from everything a user
- 17:00might do. But also there is just a general
- 17:03threat, I guess, when rolling out new technology, when
- 17:06developers are working on products, there will be certain
- 17:09weaknesses that they may not even realize that only come to
- 17:12the fore through hacking, which is unfortunate, but I fear that
- 17:16is the reality. Despite these various security
- 17:20risks, Robin Hart for The Verge contends that AI is where the
- 17:23worst threats are brewing. Quote.
- 17:25The biggest challenge comes with AI agents that act on behalf of
- 17:28the user. Like humans, they're capable of
- 17:31visiting suspect websites, clicking on dodgy links, and
- 17:34inputting sensitive information into places sensitive
- 17:37information shouldn't go. But unlike humans, they lack the
- 17:40learned common sense that helps keep us safe online.
- 17:43So I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens and
- 17:47how the AI browsers develop. I'm curious if any of you have
- 17:51opted to use AI browsers if this is something you've come across.
- 17:55But yeah, leave your thoughts in the comments.
- 17:57Well that is everything from mini text scroll today.
- 18:00I hope you guys enjoyed. I won't lie, I did feel a little
- 18:03bit weird in this room, but I think we'll get used to it.
- 18:06Lauren will speak to you guys tomorrow and I will see you next
- 18:10week. Thanks for listening.
- 18:11Bye.