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6-24-26 Hour 1 - Nuggets draft...no one/NBA draft crapshoot, Slippery Sorsby slope/Bowen Byram traded · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 1: This is Mosher, Lombardy and Kane on demand. Listen live
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  Speaker 1: Radio ninety two five and on the Altitude Sports Radio app.
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  Speaker 2: And here we go. I hope you're hungry for nothing.
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  Speaker 3: With the twenty sixth pick in the twenty twenty sixth
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  Speaker 3: NBA Draft, the Denver Nuggets select.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely nobody this outfelt.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, it's not a waste of a night. They
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  Speaker 5: did make a move. Now it depends on how impactful
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  Speaker 5: you think that move is. But Vic, you said you
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  Speaker 5: were at ball last night.
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  Speaker 6: I didn't go.
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  Speaker 5: Didn't go? Did did you trevn England that that was
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  Speaker 5: gonna happen?
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  Speaker 6: So I true story.
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  Speaker 7: I called Katie. I said, hey, I'm on my way down.
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  Speaker 7: What's what's the buzz? What's going on? And we we
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  Speaker 7: came to the conclusion that nothing's going on. So I
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  Speaker 7: just said, I ain't going for nothing.
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  Speaker 5: Well, they didn't speak last night either. They're going to
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  Speaker 5: do that, I guess after the second round today, right,
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  Speaker 5: that's sort of the read on this now they have.
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  Speaker 5: Let's just get this out of the way first. Can
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  Speaker 5: I say one thing that's an NBA thing before I
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  Speaker 5: get to a Nuggets thing and the NBA thing is
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  Speaker 5: this knock it off with announcing the picks of teams
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  Speaker 5: that didn't actually draft the guy, making them wear the
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  Speaker 5: draft of the team that didn't draft them. It's so stupid.
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  Speaker 5: It's it's such an easy fix. How many times are
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  Speaker 5: we going to get the picture of the guy wearing
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  Speaker 5: the hat of the team that he's not playing for.
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  Speaker 5: It's not the league year yet, Well we all know,
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  Speaker 5: so just do it that. It just it drives me
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  Speaker 5: nuts every year. Vix, that's number one.
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  Speaker 8: I agree.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know why.
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  Speaker 7: It's something about being official, having any official pick.
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  Speaker 6: I've never understood it.
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  Speaker 5: I never will.
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  Speaker 7: But the Nuggets did what Listen, I gave you a
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  Speaker 7: list of how many options yesterday to choose from h JK. Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: something I forgot what letter. This option was trading out
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  Speaker 7: of the number one pick. I thought by trading out
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  Speaker 7: of the number one pick they would attach a player.
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  Speaker 6: So they didn't even do that.
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  Speaker 7: They just traded out and acquired more picks. Listen, we
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  Speaker 7: know why they're doing this. The reasoning is pretty simple.
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  Speaker 7: They have no picks. They need to revitalize some sort
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  Speaker 7: of draft arsenal because they don't have one.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and this is the only way to do it.
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  Speaker 7: And whatever they saw a twenty six, if the player
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  Speaker 7: they had in mind, if a player who was a
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  Speaker 7: difference maker, was there, they probably would have taken that player.
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  Speaker 7: The question this morning, the question for all listeners, for
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  Speaker 7: all Nuggets fans, who was the player they wanted that
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  Speaker 7: got taken?
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  Speaker 9: If?
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  Speaker 5: Well, that assumes that there was one, and maybe if
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  Speaker 5: somebody fell all the way down to them, perhaps, uh,
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  Speaker 5: could it.
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  Speaker 6: Be vict that there's a player they wanted?
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  Speaker 7: Otherwise they trade that pick even before the draft?
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  Speaker 5: Well, what about option bing to see what the trade
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  Speaker 5: market looked like during the draft, And it was kind
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  Speaker 5: of nothing. There wasn't a very trady draft like the
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  Speaker 5: NBA draft usually is.
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  Speaker 6: It isn't.
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  Speaker 7: But I think it's also easier to make those moves beforehand,
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  Speaker 7: because how do you know they're going to be available
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  Speaker 7: during the draft. How do you know that when they
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  Speaker 7: arrived at twenty fifth pick that they can all of
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  Speaker 7: a sudden get out of there. What if they can't, Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: and they're forced to You know, that's a risk, sure,
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  Speaker 7: it is.
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  Speaker 6: It's a risk you take.
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  Speaker 7: So I'm convinced that there was a player they wanted
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  Speaker 7: that went somewhere between twenty and twenty five. Yeah, now
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  Speaker 7: you're probably right. Your guess is as good as mine
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  Speaker 7: on who that might be. The thing is could be
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  Speaker 7: the Baylor kid that went to the Lakers.
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  Speaker 5: The question to me is, like you had the first
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  Speaker 5: pick or the first round pick? I was with you.
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  Speaker 5: I think I think the most boring option last night
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  Speaker 5: originally was going to be trading that attaching a player
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  Speaker 5: to it and then moving back. This one is even
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  Speaker 5: more boring because, again I understand the reasoning, you have
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  Speaker 5: no draft capital if you do want to make trades
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  Speaker 5: down the road. These are just kickers you could throw
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  Speaker 5: in on top of the trade to make it a
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  Speaker 5: little bit more enticing. But I thought they would at
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  Speaker 5: least shed some salary if they were going to do this.
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  Speaker 6: That's what I thought too.
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  Speaker 7: That was the plan I thought in my mind, is
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  Speaker 7: that if they're going to get out of that number
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  Speaker 7: twenty six selection, that they'll lose salary, which they still
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  Speaker 7: can do today.
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  Speaker 9: They can, yeah, they can.
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  Speaker 7: Or they're just gonna run it back and they're gonna
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  Speaker 7: fill the rest of their roster with second round picks.
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  Speaker 5: God man, here's what's frustrating to me. The most frustrating
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  Speaker 5: thing about last night is I thought, at least, no
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  Speaker 5: matter what happened, if it was a exciting night of
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  Speaker 5: big trade or if it was a boring night of
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  Speaker 5: attaching a guy to a pick, I thought I'd have
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  Speaker 5: at least a clear direction of what they were going
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  Speaker 5: to do. And I'm still kind of lost this morning.
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  Speaker 7: I'm just happy that I didn't waste my time going
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  Speaker 7: down there. Yeah, to be totally honest with you, I
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  Speaker 7: had an inkling that option h would show up here.
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  Speaker 9: I think it was k was it K well?
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  Speaker 5: To be honest, I don't think you had an option
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  Speaker 5: for trading for just second round picks. I don't think
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  Speaker 5: you had that that wasn't available.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, when you don't have assets, bro, it's hard to
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  Speaker 7: you just don't have the capitol, and they're trying to
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  Speaker 7: replenish the capitol. I mean it's striking when I gave
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  Speaker 7: you those numbers yesterday about how many picks first round
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  Speaker 7: and second round picks the Oklahoma City Thunder owned through
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  Speaker 7: twenty thirty versus the Nuggets.
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  Speaker 5: So they technically have two picks tonight and two future
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  Speaker 5: picks now right, Yes, two future seconds. So my guess
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  Speaker 5: is they'll probably try and flip those tonight too, at
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  Speaker 5: least one of them. I doubt they're gonna be taking
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  Speaker 5: two second round picks. But I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: No, I think you have to fill your roster out.
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  Speaker 7: Remember there's players not coming back. Yeah, you're not getting
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  Speaker 7: Yonas Valentnis. I don't know if you guys saw the
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  Speaker 7: report yesterday. Yonas Valenceness is attached to a team and
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  Speaker 7: I can't pronounce the name of it.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know where this team is.
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  Speaker 7: But there's a team overseas that, according to reports overseas,
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  Speaker 7: he's gonna.
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  Speaker 6: Go play ball over there. So you're us.
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  Speaker 7: You gotta lose your big man, your your backup big man,
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  Speaker 7: zalgaris Tim Hardaway Jr. I don't know how you resign him.
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  Speaker 7: I'm not sure how that happens. So that's that's two
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  Speaker 7: players that are gone, two roster players.
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  Speaker 6: You have to fill your roster.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I know.
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  Speaker 9: Can I tell you how bored I was last night?
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  Speaker 5: Please?
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  Speaker 9: I was bored most.
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  Speaker 6: You missed the open, Nelly. Can you hit him with
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  Speaker 6: the open again? Yeah?
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  Speaker 7: Hit him with the open, Nelly, hit him with the open.
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  Speaker 7: This is how it went last night.
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  Speaker 2: Motion and here we go. I hope you're hungry for nothing.
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  Speaker 3: With the twenty sixth pick in the twenty twenty sixth
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  Speaker 3: NBA Draft, the Denver Nuggets select absolutely nobody.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that wasn't laughed pretty much.
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  Speaker 9: It was just boring, boring. I understand why they did it.
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  Speaker 10: I'm just listening to you guys talk joking nothing.
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  Speaker 9: I'm not sure I wanted anything.
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  Speaker 5: I wanted something more than like I said.
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  Speaker 6: Did you want a snack?
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  Speaker 9: Did you?
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  Speaker 6: I mean, you know, anything, a little snack. It's late night.
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  Speaker 6: I wanted to.
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  Speaker 5: See them shed salary.
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  Speaker 10: It's like, you know, what last night was is me
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  Speaker 10: walking to the fridge, opening up the fridge, looking around
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  Speaker 10: and going, you know, I just don't even feel like anything.
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  Speaker 10: What am I?
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  Speaker 9: What am I doing standing in front of this fridge.
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  Speaker 5: I've done that plenty of times.
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  Speaker 9: Okay, So that's that's what it was last night.
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  Speaker 10: Okay, So you know we don't have my favorite cheese
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  Speaker 10: in the in the cheese drawer.
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  Speaker 9: Fine, I don't need any i't want it anyway.
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  Speaker 5: As I've gotten older, by the way, I've become a
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  Speaker 5: little bit of a cheese snob, getting a good cheese.
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  Speaker 5: There's nothing like it anymore. I can't do. Somebody shows
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  Speaker 5: me in a slice of America, like Kraft American cheese,
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, gross, get that away from me entirely lists
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  Speaker 5: before you eat that. Become a cheese snob? Is that
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  Speaker 5: part of aging?
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  Speaker 9: I don't know. Perhaps either you like it or don't.
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  Speaker 10: Well, here's even the runny, even the runny, gooey stuff,
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  Speaker 10: like the stuff that when you when you slice it,
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  Speaker 10: it runs out like a like a sauce, like an egg.
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  Speaker 9: Uh huh, that kind of cheese.
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  Speaker 5: And I don't know, I've never had that.
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  Speaker 6: I didn't.
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  Speaker 5: Well, then you can travel a little bit broke. Oh gotcha,
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  Speaker 5: Here's what I would say. And I spent a good
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  Speaker 5: deal of the appetizer discussing this. I think the reason
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  Speaker 5: why last night that disappointed me, but it underwhelmed me.
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  Speaker 5: I guess is I wanted a direction on where to
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  Speaker 5: move forward. There's one thing I do know. There's one
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  Speaker 5: thing about the Nuggets off season that I am assured of,
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  Speaker 5: and is at that scene. Once Peyton Watson on this roster,
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  Speaker 5: and he's going to be by hooker, by crook, he's
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  Speaker 5: going to be on this roster. And here's why. Josh
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  Speaker 5: Kronkey said that the at the end of season press conference.
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  Speaker 5: What was the big thing that he said that everyone
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  Speaker 5: outside of Nikola Jokic is available, right, said that into
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  Speaker 5: a microphone.
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  Speaker 9: That is correct.
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  Speaker 5: And I've heard rumors about Cam Johnson being traded, having
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  Speaker 5: his name dangled out there. I've heard about Aaron Gordon.
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  Speaker 5: I've heard it about Christian Brown. I've heard it about
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  Speaker 5: Jamal Murray. The one guy I haven't heard it about
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  Speaker 5: that you would consider a big time rotational player on
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  Speaker 5: this team.
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  Speaker 9: Is who Aaron Gordon.
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  Speaker 5: I haven't heard a single thing about Peyton Watson being dangled.
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  Speaker 9: Well, did you say, Eric Gordon? I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 5: I have not heard Peyton Watson's name once in these
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  Speaker 5: trade discussions, even rumored that, like nothing, it's all been
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  Speaker 5: about we need to trade these guys to make money
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  Speaker 5: so that he stays on the rock.
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  Speaker 10: I don't know why you would want to give him
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  Speaker 10: up anyway. I mean, there's still plenty of time to
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  Speaker 10: do that.
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  Speaker 5: Well, somebody asked the question, you know, and this is
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  Speaker 5: probably true on my part, said you have such tunnel
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  Speaker 5: vision about Peyton Watson, and I do. I absolutely do.
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  Speaker 5: And I don't know what Peyton Watson is going to be,
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  Speaker 5: but I think Adamar has made a good point yesterday.
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  Speaker 9: Vic.
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  Speaker 5: If Peyton Watson was available in this draft, where would
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  Speaker 5: he go? He's top I made that point, you did too,
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  Speaker 5: you did? Okay, Fine, he's a top five pick, like
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  Speaker 5: he is, somebody that would be taken immediately in the draft.
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  Speaker 5: That's somebody you want to keep. That's a young player
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  Speaker 5: with talent, with potential, that's athletic that you need athleticism,
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  Speaker 5: you need youth, you need defense, and he's got I
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  Speaker 5: looked it up. Do you know what he did in
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  Speaker 5: the month of January from a straight numbers perspective, So
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  Speaker 5: that that that one month where everybody was out of
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  Speaker 5: the lineup and he was playing thirty six minutes a night.
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  Speaker 5: He averaged twenty two points, six boards, and three assists
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  Speaker 5: on forty nine percent from the floor, but more importantly,
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  Speaker 5: forty six percent from three. That's what about somebody you
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  Speaker 5: let walk?
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  Speaker 9: What about the defensive side?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a block and a half a game in
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  Speaker 5: a stealing game. That's my point, Like he is kind
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  Speaker 5: of if you're looking for how about this? He feels
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  Speaker 5: like he could be a little bit of your jade McDaniels,
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  Speaker 5: and we all talked about how we loved have a
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  Speaker 5: jade McDaniel's on this team. He has a little bit
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  Speaker 5: of that feel to him. He does.
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  Speaker 10: Does anybody know what he wants at all? Does anybody know?
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  Speaker 10: I don't care what I think he wants, all money
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  Speaker 10: being equal, all money being equal. Would he prefer to
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  Speaker 10: stay with the Denver Nuggets.
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  Speaker 7: I think he would prefer to play on a team
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  Speaker 7: that has championship contention, and he wants to get paid, clearly,
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  Speaker 7: and he wants, I believe, an opportunity to start.
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  Speaker 5: He's gonna get here. I mean, he's going to be
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  Speaker 5: a starter here.
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  Speaker 7: Well, okay, I'm gonna ask you something.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, if they run it.
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  Speaker 7: Back and it looks so far like they are because
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  Speaker 7: nobody's been moved, who's sitting while he starts, I.
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  Speaker 5: Mean they they are not going to have the same
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  Speaker 5: starting five as last year. Somebody's gonna go because they
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  Speaker 5: are going second apron either like you know that as
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  Speaker 5: well as me. Sure, I guess Sprin. So somebody's gonna leave.
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  Speaker 5: My guess is but in your hypothetical, Cam Cam, welcome
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  Speaker 5: to the bench, You'll give us twenty five minutes off
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  Speaker 5: the bench and you'll be great. Like, that's the situation
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  Speaker 5: you'd be in.
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  Speaker 10: Like.
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  Speaker 5: I thought that if he came back healthy, because remember
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  Speaker 5: he tried to return from the hamstring injury re injured
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  Speaker 5: it immediately. I thought, after the on ramp process of
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  Speaker 5: getting him back to full health, he would be in
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  Speaker 5: the lineup, starting lineup by the playoffs. Man, we don't know.
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  Speaker 9: It scared me.
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  Speaker 6: What Okase? Did I love okay SE's draft yesterday? That
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  Speaker 6: Bennett Sturtz kid. Yeah, you guys watched him play.
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  Speaker 5: Here's the name.
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  Speaker 6: Have you watched him play?
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  Speaker 9: No?
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  Speaker 5: I am so over Oklahoma City having a million draft picks.
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  Speaker 5: I'm so tired of it. I can't take it.
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  Speaker 6: Man.
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  Speaker 7: And then the the Mara kid from Michigan, the seven
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  Speaker 7: foot eighty I don't even know how tall he is,
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  Speaker 7: seven foot two shot blocker. As soon as they made
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  Speaker 7: that acquisition, I said to myself, Okay, either Hartenstein or
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  Speaker 7: chet Holmgren gone.
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  Speaker 9: What do these insurance policy for of those guys.
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  Speaker 6: Being one of them? Are gone?
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  Speaker 9: Well?
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  Speaker 5: The funny thing to me is Dallas Mavericks hired Dusty
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  Speaker 5: twenty four hours ago and then he just took one
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  Speaker 5: of his players.
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  Speaker 7: Exactly right, and he passed on Uh, he passed on
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  Speaker 7: the other player, you know that, linde Borgndborg. Yeah, he
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  Speaker 7: passed on Lindeborg and took Mores Johnson.
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  Speaker 5: So I think there's a lot of off ramps to
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  Speaker 5: So we'll discuss along Instagram.
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  Speaker 9: I want to say something as we move on here.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, first of all, Vick was eating would look like
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  Speaker 10: to be a bar of soap during the break whatever
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  Speaker 10: that thing is, the fat bar of soap, great lean
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  Speaker 10: bar whatever.
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  Speaker 9: Number two. You know, people are like, oh, the Nuggets
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  Speaker 9: missed on this guy, and they missed on that guy
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  Speaker 9: and they.
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  Speaker 10: Missed I'm I'm gonna tell you that happening. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 10: tell you right now.
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  Speaker 9: You don't know. Man, Listen, a lot of these guys
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  Speaker 9: are going to flame out. Some guys are going to
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  Speaker 9: be gems that you never thought.
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  Speaker 10: You're right about that, but golly, outside the top ten
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  Speaker 10: picks in the NBA draft, is it not just a
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  Speaker 10: crapshoot at times?
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  Speaker 9: I mean what it is?
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  Speaker 10: I mean, honestly, with the Denver Nuggets have done the
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  Speaker 10: Donovan Mitchell trade, if everybody had known what Donovan Mitchell.
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  Speaker 5: Was going to end up to be, It's just give
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  Speaker 5: me a random of your emotion like the last ten years.
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  Speaker 9: Two thousand and seventeen.
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  Speaker 5: All right, the NBA draft from twenty seventeen, Here you go.
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  Speaker 5: Number one pick was Mark kel Foltz. Number two was
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: Loncho Ball. Number three was Jason Tatum, four Josh Sjackson, five,
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: Dearon Fox six, Jonathan Isaac seven Lori Market. And now
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: let's go to like the twenties.
• 16:46
  Speaker 6: Three of those players those are top what top seven?
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: Top seven?
• 16:52
  Speaker 9: Yeah, three of them are awesome.
• 16:53
  Speaker 6: Three of them are players today that are considered really
• 16:57
  Speaker 6: good players. I could argue the rest of them flamed out.
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: Best player in the draft probably what I've seen so far,
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: the thirteenth pick, which is Donovan Mitchell. Here you go,
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: but getting in the twenties.
• 17:11
  Speaker 6: Who drafted Downovan Mitchell? By the way, who's hat did
• 17:13
  Speaker 6: he wear?
• 17:14
  Speaker 9: We did? Nuggets?
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: The Nuggets. We know that's why you said it silly.
• 17:18
  Speaker 9: Well, you're choking down your bars, soap.
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: I made the hey on hanyd On. Here's the picks
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: in the twenties. At twenty is Harry Giles, Harry Styles Giles,
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: Harry John. Twenty one is Terrence Ferguson. Oh yeah, TF
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: mo Man at twenty two, Well, listen to this. Twenty
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: two Jared Allen, Oh got one there? Twenty three og Ananobi.
• 17:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I like that. It's the Nuggets pick.
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: Twenty four is Tyler Lyden.
• 17:46
  Speaker 7: Mom, the Nuggets desperately wanted o g Nnoby in Toronto
• 17:50
  Speaker 7: moved up to get him.
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: Twenty five is Latvian center ones, as says Snicks.
• 17:56
  Speaker 10: Okay, hold on a second, my man on twenty fifth overall,
• 18:00
  Speaker 10: and the Nugets last night were picking at twenty six?
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: Is that guy is? Twenty six was Caleb Swann again,
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: I dare you what? Twenty seven was Kyle Kuzma. Twenty
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: eight was Tony Bradley. Oh, how about this? For twenty
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: nine and thirty Derek White and then Josh Hart.
• 18:13
  Speaker 9: There you go, those guys, see they end up working out.
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: But who's twenty five on zis Pesses Snacks.
• 18:21
  Speaker 9: I need proof of life.
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: I'll look it up for you.
• 18:24
  Speaker 6: I'm sure he's playing in the European League at this point.
• 18:27
  Speaker 9: I hope he's. I hope he is.
• 18:29
  Speaker 7: Hope he's fogging a mirror. So what's your point, mos?
• 18:31
  Speaker 7: That the draft is a crapshoot? Is that the case
• 18:34
  Speaker 7: in any sport.
• 18:35
  Speaker 10: Yeah, it really is, although I it seems to me
• 18:38
  Speaker 10: in the NFL you have way more hits than missus
• 18:42
  Speaker 10: in the first round period.
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: He plays for this since shoe Topless lion Ears of
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: the Taiwan Professional Basketball Wait the topless what to the
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: topless Lioneers? T op l u s topless?
• 18:56
  Speaker 10: Oh?
• 18:56
  Speaker 9: You know what, that'd be a great name for a
• 18:58
  Speaker 9: strip club. Topless lionex.
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: That is great.
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: Hey 'll give it down, give it to me, Give
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: it to me, Come on, come on, give it to me.
• 19:07
  Speaker 9: Welcome to the topless liners on stage one, it's cinema.
• 19:17
  Speaker 10: No, do the draft choice on stage two, please welcome Chastity.
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: You do that draft pick.
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: Give me that twenty fifth overall pick on stage four.
• 19:27
  Speaker 9: And on stage four.
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: And just present just a seven foot two centers walking
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: out to the middle of stage.
• 19:43
  Speaker 10: And the topless they should do the droptless lineers are
• 19:47
  Speaker 10: throwing cash out this one.
• 19:49
  Speaker 9: Hey, this is how they should conduct the draft like
• 19:52
  Speaker 9: this with moser and coming down.
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: Uh I watch hell?
• 20:01
  Speaker 7: What is this?
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: It says his current team is Capital City Go Go.
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: I don't know he's a It's a G League team
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: in DC.
• 20:11
  Speaker 7: Okay, can I give you the name of a player
• 20:14
  Speaker 7: that was taken four spots before the Nuggets were to
• 20:17
  Speaker 7: pick last night.
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: Now, I believe is going to be a player in
• 20:21
  Speaker 6: the league, and I believe they had their eyes set
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: on this guy, but he was taken. Can I give
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: you the name?
• 20:29
  Speaker 9: Sure?
• 20:29
  Speaker 6: This is my opinion.
• 20:32
  Speaker 7: LeBaron Philon Jor the Alabama kid then went to the Sixers.
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: Have you seen him play?
• 20:38
  Speaker 9: Yes?
• 20:38
  Speaker 10: I have seen him play, and I saw him last
• 20:40
  Speaker 10: night and his story is a pretty good story too.
• 20:46
  Speaker 9: All I really care about is, you know, can he
• 20:48
  Speaker 9: play basketball?
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: He's got kind of a bones build to him.
• 20:52
  Speaker 7: The Sixers got themselves a baller, and I believe that
• 20:57
  Speaker 7: the Nuggets were hoping upon hope that he would fall
• 21:01
  Speaker 7: twenty six and once he fell, and once he was
• 21:04
  Speaker 7: off the board, Plan B or Option H was in
• 21:08
  Speaker 7: full effect.
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: Can I ask you a question? Just nobody's gonna have
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: the answer, But just give me the read on this.
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: We all probably saw it the video of the Nuggets
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: war room. That was Josh Kronky doing this. It was
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: a and then arms out like, what the hell? What
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: do you think that was about? Wildly speculate for.
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: Me, How do you know they knew they were on
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: television at that point.
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: I don't, but I just saw the video.
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: I just I don't know.
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: It was an odd reaction, though you would agree.
• 21:45
  Speaker 7: Maybe it was a funny Hey we're on TV. Let's
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: show that we're clapping one of those reactions.
• 21:50
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't know.
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: That is always fun. If a team even feels like
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: they did a horrible thing in the draft when they
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: know they're on television, it's it's family feud. Wrong answer stuff,
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: good answer. Everybody just starts doing that, like, uh, what
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: pairs well with cheese?
• 22:11
  Speaker 9: What answer?
• 22:13
  Speaker 7: What if they went to a shot of the war
• 22:15
  Speaker 7: room and they were just all behind it, all sitting
• 22:17
  Speaker 7: there watching Love Is Blind?
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: Right, Well, that's essentially with the rams.
• 22:22
  Speaker 10: Right I'd be I'd be on the couch with my
• 22:24
  Speaker 10: back turned towards the camera to sleep, and like, you know,
• 22:27
  Speaker 10: it's just taking a nap.
• 22:28
  Speaker 9: I mean, nothing was going on.
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: I want to see one shot at a war room
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: where the leader of the war room, the GM, the owner,
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: goes like.
• 22:36
  Speaker 9: This, damn it.
• 22:38
  Speaker 10: I would to say, well, you don't have that when
• 22:40
  Speaker 10: they when they take a guy that you wanted right
• 22:43
  Speaker 10: before you.
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: That's always funny. I love this answer. After every single draft,
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: especially if you're picking late. I gotta tell you, I
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: can't believe this guy felt to us. Can't believe that
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: the other teams are idiots for letting this guy fall
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: to us. And then you the video of this, So
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: what you want to trade up in the draft to
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: take this guy? It's very clearly not the guy that
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: you wanted, you know what I mean. It's just funny
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: to me anyway. You know, it's weird. The NFL said, hey,
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: no supplemental draft this year, not enough interest, and I go, really,
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: you're telling me not a single team was interested in
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: taking Brendan Soresby with a fifth round pick in the
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: supplemental draft. Not a single one. Hard for me to believe.
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: But this is one of those rare cases. It's happened before,
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: but it is rare. The NFL and the NCAA are
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: not affiliated with each other.
• 23:43
  Speaker 9: They are not, but they are.
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: They aren't, but they are. The NFL has never cared
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: about a minor league system. They've never cared about the UFL,
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: the XFL, because why do they need that they have?
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: It's it's college football. Not only is it a great
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: developmental system, it provides something like when the NFL has
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: a draft, you can see a fourth round pick where
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: you're like, I know exactly who that guy is. I
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: watched him play a million times. So when you get
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: a case like Brendan Soresby, you're not allowed to play
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: college football because you bet on the sport. You committed
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: the one cardinal sin that nobody can ever come back from.
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: Henry Ruggs is trying to get out of jail right now,
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: as you see, it was denied parole. But his plans
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: were if, if or when I get out, I'm gonna
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: try and go back to the league, and you know what,
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: maybe a team would be like, are you still fast?
• 24:38
  Speaker 9: Yeah? But with the league let him back in. I mean,
• 24:41
  Speaker 9: that was a horrific crawd.
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: It was terrible.
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: But the answer to that question most is not absolutely not.
• 24:48
  Speaker 9: It's maybe not.
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: In the case of Soorsby, he committed the one sin
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: you can't do. You can't bet on the sport. It's
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: shut the sport that's playing.
• 24:56
  Speaker 10: It sure felt to me that I'm I'm not sure
• 25:00
  Speaker 10: that there was lack of interest in Soresby. It felt
• 25:03
  Speaker 10: to me like the league is saying, look, we're gonna
• 25:07
  Speaker 10: send a message through Soresby about gambling. We're gonna have
• 25:12
  Speaker 10: to hold We're gonna have to hold tough to our
• 25:15
  Speaker 10: convictions and guys, we've suspended in our league.
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: Right. But but there's a difference to this. They're doing
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: this on behalf of the NCAA, their quote unquote partner,
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: because if this ever arises again, a kid will say, fine,
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: I'll just go pro like that does not They's got
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: a stiff enough punishment, exactly right.
• 25:36
  Speaker 7: They're trying they're trying to eliminate that loophole, and they're
• 25:39
  Speaker 7: being the Frankly, the NFL is being the adult in
• 25:42
  Speaker 7: the room. After Texas Tech basically threw their hands up
• 25:44
  Speaker 7: in the air and said, Hey, what do you want
• 25:46
  Speaker 7: us to do?
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: The NFL said, oh, really, you think you're gonna do that? Huh?
• 25:51
  Speaker 10: What really killed me? And I guess there are avenues.
• 25:54
  Speaker 10: But his lawyer comes out and says, well, we don't
• 25:58
  Speaker 10: agree with that. We are going to get with the
• 26:00
  Speaker 10: nhl PA and try to force a supplemental draft. And
• 26:05
  Speaker 10: I'm like, he's not even in the NFLPA, Like what
• 26:10
  Speaker 10: what what? What would the NFL would be the interest
• 26:13
  Speaker 10: of the NFLPA to force the league into having a
• 26:16
  Speaker 10: supplemental draft.
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: Well, here's here's the problem. Most if I mean, this
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: is essentially at least a one year suspension, maybe more.
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: I have no idea. They said, you can play pro.
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: You can't do it here. You can go to Canada,
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: you can go to the UFL for all I care.
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: You can't do it here. They're suspending him. But because
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: he's not draft eligible, and when you are aren't subjected
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: to a draft, you cannot sign in the NFL as
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: a free agent. You have to go through the draft
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: process first, he cannot be represented by the NFLPA, so
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: he has no recourse against this. That The one big
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: example I remember of an infraction in college that bled
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: into an NFL suspension is it's well Prior remember he
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: traded his jersey for free tattoos. That was a five
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: game suspension in college, and Prior said I'm not doing that.
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: I'm going pro, and the NFL suspended him for five
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: games before he entered the league. That was in direct
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: handshake agreement with college football of we're going to help
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: you out on this one. The question is is that right?
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: Can you suspend somebody for something that they did outside
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: of your purview and league. That's where it gets a
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: little bit squarely. Yeah, it's something that plumb has talked
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: about yesterday.
• 27:35
  Speaker 8: This isn't a defense of Brendan Soresby, but no, I
• 27:38
  Speaker 8: actually don't think I like it. It's a really weird
• 27:41
  Speaker 8: precedent to say, we're basically suspending somebody that was not
• 27:45
  Speaker 8: a part of our organization. We're suspending you for a year.
• 27:48
  Speaker 8: We're saying you're not allowed to play here for a year.
• 27:50
  Speaker 8: Next year you can come play here, but you weren't
• 27:52
  Speaker 8: a part of our organization. Now here's where it gets tricky.
• 27:55
  Speaker 8: He's also not a part of the NFLPA, So the
• 27:58
  Speaker 8: people that he needs to go fight his fight for
• 28:01
  Speaker 8: him right now to make him eligible in this draft.
• 28:03
  Speaker 8: He's not a paid member of that. He doesn't pay
• 28:06
  Speaker 8: dues into that organization, right So he's in a really
• 28:10
  Speaker 8: complex situation here that I don't like the precedent of
• 28:14
  Speaker 8: the NFL being able to make decisions like this on
• 28:17
  Speaker 8: people that are not going to be represented by either
• 28:20
  Speaker 8: side in a proper way.
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: I think it's a fair argument. I don't know if
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: I agree with it.
• 28:24
  Speaker 7: I think it's fair, though, So if somebody is a
• 28:27
  Speaker 7: serial killer and the NFL looks at this somebody and says, sorry,
• 28:32
  Speaker 7: we can't take you because you weren't a serial killer
• 28:35
  Speaker 7: in the NFL, it's okay.
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: I mean, look, Vic, I agree with you on principle.
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: Has the NFL excused in some manner pretty big legal
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: problems from something that people have done in college? Sure, yeah,
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: that's happened plenty of times.
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah they've looked the other way.
• 28:54
  Speaker 9: But you know what, it's their right. I agree, No,
• 28:58
  Speaker 9: I agree.
• 28:59
  Speaker 10: I agree with it's a privilege to play in the
• 29:01
  Speaker 10: National Football League.
• 29:02
  Speaker 9: It's a privilege to make.
• 29:03
  Speaker 7: A living doing that, and if you do something to
• 29:07
  Speaker 7: harm the shield, that privilege is taken from you. Who
• 29:11
  Speaker 7: the hell is out there defending Brendan Soorsby here, I.
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: Don't think anybody is. That's why I like the way
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: that plumba set. He goes this is not a defensive
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: sores By, but it is a weird precedent to set
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: that that you can do this, and you give him
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: no way to challenge a decision because you aren't saying
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: this is where the NFL is well.
• 29:33
  Speaker 9: Smart, let me say something. He's not entitled to play
• 29:37
  Speaker 9: football in the league.
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: I agree.
• 29:39
  Speaker 9: I agree with you.
• 29:39
  Speaker 10: There's no there's no law that says the NFL has
• 29:42
  Speaker 10: to supplemental draft him, they have to have him in
• 29:45
  Speaker 10: the league.
• 29:46
  Speaker 9: There's I mean, so he doesn't have any recourse.
• 29:48
  Speaker 7: Man, Well, guess what if the commissioner doesn't pull that ruling.
• 29:52
  Speaker 7: A team will play him, a team will draft him,
• 29:54
  Speaker 7: a team will take him on.
• 29:56
  Speaker 8: Why.
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: Why do you think the NFL said the reason he
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: can't play is because there was not enough interest in
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: the supplemental draft. Why is that? Because if they said
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: we're gonna suspend you, they would have legal trouble in
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: doing that without him having some way to argue it.
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: So they can't say that. They can't open themselves up
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: to some sort of battle between him and soreersby whether
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: he's eligible to play in their league or not. So
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: they go, oh, well, nobody really wanted you anyway, you know.
• 30:23
  Speaker 7: I just I don't like the way the whole thing
• 30:26
  Speaker 7: was spun. I don't like the Oh god, I just
• 30:30
  Speaker 7: got a terrible addiction here. Yeah, you bet everywhere you've been, dude.
• 30:34
  Speaker 7: You bet on your teams, you bet on other teams,
• 30:36
  Speaker 7: You bet with three different teams and I just, I
• 30:39
  Speaker 7: just I think it sets an awful precedent because if
• 30:43
  Speaker 7: somebody else gets caught, what's to stop them from saying
• 30:47
  Speaker 7: the same damage.
• 30:48
  Speaker 10: I'm just so curious, just so curious, if he had
• 30:52
  Speaker 10: stayed at Cincinnati, would any of this have come out, because,
• 30:58
  Speaker 10: let me tell you, some point themselves question. Yeah, that's
• 31:00
  Speaker 10: a good question, And I'm telling you right now, Cincinnati's
• 31:04
  Speaker 10: not a threat to anybody in the SEC or the
• 31:05
  Speaker 10: Big ten. Texas Tech and their money is.
• 31:09
  Speaker 9: And you have people looking.
• 31:11
  Speaker 10: Under every stone at every other program, you know what
• 31:15
  Speaker 10: I mean, Those those those investigative dogs, so to speak.
• 31:22
  Speaker 10: I'm sure would look at he's it since he who
• 31:24
  Speaker 10: gives a rats? Nobody's playing them anyway, and they're no
• 31:26
  Speaker 10: threat in the Big twelve. Yeah, but now that he's in.
• 31:29
  Speaker 9: Texas, to ho ho ho? Were the Red Raiders in
• 31:32
  Speaker 9: the playoffs last year?
• 31:35
  Speaker 10: Has any program had a higher percentage influx of money
• 31:40
  Speaker 10: Indiana outside of Indiana?
• 31:43
  Speaker 9: Yeah?
• 31:44
  Speaker 10: They're up there though, Yes, And I think this is
• 31:46
  Speaker 10: why it comes more to light, because you got the
• 31:48
  Speaker 10: big dogs squawking. It's shown and exposed, and so I
• 31:51
  Speaker 10: get right, I'm just curious if he would have if
• 31:55
  Speaker 10: he would have.
• 31:55
  Speaker 9: Played some to think about.
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: No, I think you're you're correct. If he stayed it,
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: since he maybe none of this comes out and he
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: doesn't have all these problems. But uh, again, he's not
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: going to be playing football at all in America. I
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: just think next year, remember this closes the door for
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: one year.
• 32:12
  Speaker 10: Yeah, he can just one year get drafted. Next year
• 32:14
  Speaker 10: he can get drafted in the twenty seven drafts.
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: What does he do for a year? I don't know,
• 32:17
  Speaker 7: But in twenty twenty seven the commissioner even said it,
• 32:20
  Speaker 7: he's free to apply for the draft.
• 32:22
  Speaker 10: Well, the CFL season is rocking, Okay, CFLs going on.
• 32:29
  Speaker 10: I don't know you'd add anybody mid season in the CFL.
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: Oh, sure you can.
• 32:33
  Speaker 9: No, I don't if they would.
• 32:35
  Speaker 10: But if this is my question to you, if you're
• 32:37
  Speaker 10: if you're advising Soresby, and your option for the NFL
• 32:41
  Speaker 10: this year is out, then would you see would you
• 32:47
  Speaker 10: put him in the CFL?
• 32:47
  Speaker 9: Would you try to? Would you?
• 32:49
  Speaker 10: Yeah?
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: I'd do something. I do something like keep your name
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: out there and get some stuff on tape. Still like
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: do that?
• 32:55
  Speaker 9: Sure?
• 32:56
  Speaker 7: I mean, everybody makes it sound like his career is
• 32:59
  Speaker 7: done it's not. It's just a one year penance.
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: Here's what you get.
• 33:04
  Speaker 7: You can't bet on eight thousand games and suddenly just
• 33:07
  Speaker 7: entered the national football you can say, I'm good to go.
• 33:10
  Speaker 9: No, man, how lowless are we?
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: Well, how's going on? Well, now it comes to like
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: all the things that he could have would have should
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: have done. Stayed at Cincinnati maybe would have been the
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: better option. Maybe instead of fighting the legal battle, just
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: put your name in the draft immediately, because then then
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: it would be interesting to see what the NFL is doing.
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: Because the NFL is saying we aren't letting you in
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: because you didn't declare for the draft. Well what if
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: he did? Then what now You're gonna have this whole
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: battle again. I don't know. But again, the only time
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: I remember, well, the most famous case I guess I
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: remember of this happening was Terrell Prior and he got
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: suspended five games for tattoos, which is equally is hilarious,
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: ridiculous three oh three, five, four nine to two five
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: shot mas to text on one price, one person one
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: hour after this. Look, I don't like when people take
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: something that happened and use the benefit of hindsight.
• 34:09
  Speaker 9: But it is.
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: Pretty interesting. Where was bohen Byron selected in the draft?
• 34:18
  Speaker 9: Number four overall?
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: He was traded for what for Casey Middle?
• 34:25
  Speaker 10: Right?
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and now Buffalo has flipped him for the fourth
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: and forty fifth overall pick of the draft. Right, I
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: had no idea that he was worthy of number four overall.
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: I know he's a good player. Number four overall, well, well,
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: I know that's when he was drafted. Has he played
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: to the level of somebody that you would give away
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: a fourth overall pick for?
• 34:47
  Speaker 10: I think the answer to that is, I mean, and
• 34:50
  Speaker 10: then some he's making over six million a year now,
• 34:55
  Speaker 10: I mean he's not.
• 34:55
  Speaker 9: It's not like he's like just some you know him, scrubby,
• 35:01
  Speaker 9: scrub scrub I mean he's.
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: No, he's a good player.
• 35:03
  Speaker 9: He had forty two points. I remember early in his career,
• 35:06
  Speaker 9: we get so we get so blown away with kill
• 35:09
  Speaker 9: mccarr doubling that and other guys.
• 35:11
  Speaker 10: You know, having defencemen on the back end are just
• 35:16
  Speaker 10: the guys who can really play, They are just hard
• 35:19
  Speaker 10: to come by.
• 35:20
  Speaker 7: Do you remember the fear early in his career he
• 35:22
  Speaker 7: had the concussion issues. Correct, yes, correct, and got through
• 35:27
  Speaker 7: those and it hurt to trade Bo byram it hurt
• 35:32
  Speaker 7: at that time, you thought you made the right move
• 35:34
  Speaker 7: because you're still looking for the two c didn't work out,
• 35:38
  Speaker 7: but he's still player evidently, so worth the money.
• 35:43
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: He uh, I just I saw the trade yesterday. Motion
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: I go really that much, and I guess you're a
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: lot of.
• 35:48
  Speaker 9: Activity in the NHL.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: So the.
• 35:53
  Speaker 9: There really is.
• 35:54
  Speaker 10: The thing is is that from what I understand, what
• 35:57
  Speaker 10: I was told yesterday, is that he wants the opportunity
• 36:01
  Speaker 10: to be the number one on a power play.
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: That's what I think.
• 36:04
  Speaker 10: And with Owen power there and rist the line in there,
• 36:07
  Speaker 10: there's no way or Dolly excuse me, there's no way
• 36:11
  Speaker 10: that he is.
• 36:11
  Speaker 9: Going to be the number one.
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: Certainly wasn't happening here either, that is correct. So he
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: wanted that opportunity and they provided it to him. A
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: lot of people going back saying, well, gosh, the Avs
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: got fleeced for this, and it's like, well, yeah, and
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: again with hindsight, but you're trying to find a at
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: the time of the trade, the bigger hole on your
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: team was not Bowen Byron being on it or not.
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: It was finding a second line center. Yeah, and middle
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: stat flamed out so then it's easy to go back
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: and be like, well that was stupid. Yeah, it was
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: with hindsight and his time here.
• 36:50
  Speaker 10: He was in the twenty point you know, twenty pointish
• 36:54
  Speaker 10: north of twenty points kind of guy.
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: But there was a fear every time he took a
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: hit that he was going to be gone for weeks.
• 37:00
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I guess that fear is probably pretty gone. But
• 37:01
  Speaker 10: he's played Listen, I'll give him credit. He's played well
• 37:03
  Speaker 10: in Buffalo.
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: He scored more goals.
• 37:08
  Speaker 9: Well, how do I want to put this?
• 37:11
  Speaker 10: He did a great he scored he tied his career
• 37:14
  Speaker 10: high the when he was traded. Then he the combined
• 37:20
  Speaker 10: seasons he had eleven. He had eleven last season. Yeah,
• 37:22
  Speaker 10: so he's playing pretty good hockey. I'm gonna give him credit.
• 37:27
  Speaker 10: And he's only twenty five.
• 37:30
  Speaker 9: Do you think that the.
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: Avs have something cooking up here anytime soon? Or is
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: this sort of waiting see mode for them until the draft?
• 37:36
  Speaker 10: I get calls from people, same same kind of thing
• 37:38
  Speaker 10: that I'm sure you guys hears chatter here, chatter there,
• 37:41
  Speaker 10: but but nothing ready to get done right now now Again.
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: Is there's a vowel tray that seems to be circulating on.
• 37:47
  Speaker 10: Free agency will start next week, right, The draft is
• 37:53
  Speaker 10: coming up this week this Friday. Then free agency starts
• 37:58
  Speaker 10: the following week, and then if you want to get
• 38:00
  Speaker 10: things done when you know teams are hot and heavy,
• 38:03
  Speaker 10: then that's the time you get it done.
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: Regarding a vowel trade, do you think that VAL's time
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: is his kind of ran? Its course?
• 38:12
  Speaker 6: Here?
• 38:15
  Speaker 10: That's a great question. I think when he is himself,
• 38:20
  Speaker 10: he's a terrific player. But I think with that money,
• 38:24
  Speaker 10: it's going to allow them some flexibility.
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, because what's he making again?
• 38:29
  Speaker 10: Six and and yeah, and the cap hit goes but
• 38:33
  Speaker 10: it's frontloaded, so it's going down, which makes it more
• 38:37
  Speaker 10: tradable and it makes it more beneficial, but it still
• 38:39
  Speaker 10: gives you flexibility.
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: So it's about six point one a year.
• 38:44
  Speaker 9: Yeah, Now there you go.
• 38:46
  Speaker 10: So, I mean, we all know how we feel about
• 38:51
  Speaker 10: him when he's on, right. Yeah, And he did get
• 38:57
  Speaker 10: injured in the postseason.
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: Fact, why didn't Joe do what a lot of teams do,
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: which is announced all the injuries they guys had. Why
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: do you think he did.
• 39:05
  Speaker 10: He's not gonna make any excuses though, He's just gonna say, look, guys,
• 39:08
  Speaker 10: everybody should be ready to go.
• 39:11
  Speaker 9: That's it. I mean, Vick, you were there, We sat
• 39:13
  Speaker 9: next to each other.
• 39:14
  Speaker 6: I was waiting for it, but it never happened.
• 39:16
  Speaker 9: But he was just a straightforward guy, right.
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: But they asked him about it and he just said,
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: everybody will be ready to go by camp.
• 39:21
  Speaker 9: Correct.
• 39:22
  Speaker 6: So yeah, he did not want to give that.
• 39:24
  Speaker 9: He did not want to disclose it, correct or give
• 39:26
  Speaker 9: the excuse.
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, if Val does get traded, I mean that's could
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: I compare it to like a a Michael Porter junior
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: trade of like of the core guys that were on
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: the roster for a championship run. I mean, Miko is
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: obviously part of that too, but is he one of
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: those like you considered him at the time, he was
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: almost indispensable. That's why you get the contract on exactly.
• 39:52
  Speaker 10: And that's why again, outside of Kal he would have
• 39:56
  Speaker 10: won the con smythe in twenty two.
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: I would still argue that he should have. I think
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: he was the best player for the ABS during that
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: Cup run.
• 40:02
  Speaker 10: Every every night I would I would say to me, Val, well,
• 40:08
  Speaker 10: let's put it this way. Do you want a title
• 40:10
  Speaker 10: without KCP? No? Okay, So then to me, he's not.
• 40:15
  Speaker 10: Miko's more like an mp J. Val is more like
• 40:18
  Speaker 10: a KCP.
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: That's fair.
• 40:21
  Speaker 6: Every piece the con smile.
• 40:25
  Speaker 7: When you're on a title run, you're still right though.
• 40:27
  Speaker 7: Every piece is indispensable. You can't remove a piece. If
• 40:30
  Speaker 7: you remove a piece, the entire puzzle is ruined.
• 40:34
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: I think you could go through every player on that
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: Cup team and be like, could you win without him?
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: And it's like, probably not. Could you win without Cogs?
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: Probably not?
• 40:42
  Speaker 9: Could you win without nas?
• 40:44
  Speaker 10: No?
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: You see what I mean?
• 40:46
  Speaker 9: And that's this is what I'm talking about. This is
• 40:47
  Speaker 9: where this is where.
• 40:51
  Speaker 10: Everything, everything matters on any shift, right, Yeah, I mean
• 40:55
  Speaker 10: Coggs with a broken neck makes like two amazing plays
• 40:59
  Speaker 10: that Derek. Could you have one without Darren Helton?
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 41:03
  Speaker 10: Well, I mean he's a fourth line guy, but he
• 41:06
  Speaker 10: scored the freaking game winning goal to'll send you to
• 41:08
  Speaker 10: the Western Conference final. H you know, I mean you
• 41:11
  Speaker 10: can because you have one without you know, uncle Jeff,
• 41:16
  Speaker 10: I don't know, but he made some pretty big buckets
• 41:18
  Speaker 10: and defensive plays to help guide you to a championship.
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 41:21
  Speaker 10: So that's kind of the way it isn't when you
• 41:23
  Speaker 10: look at VAL's career overall, in the point totals. They
• 41:27
  Speaker 10: are not going to blow you away the goals wise. Sure,
• 41:29
  Speaker 10: I mean he's had some really nice, cool seasons, but
• 41:33
  Speaker 10: never thirty. Okay, but we know that he affects the
• 41:35
  Speaker 10: game in more ways than just scoring his bat, checking its,
• 41:40
  Speaker 10: penalty killing. All these different kinds of things factor in
• 41:43
  Speaker 10: big time. He did have a I would say a
• 41:45
  Speaker 10: bit of a dip this year in terms of the
• 41:49
  Speaker 10: number of games played versus the number of total points
• 41:51
  Speaker 10: he put up and so on.
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: Yes, we just had a big draft of like no goals.
• 41:55
  Speaker 9: Correct.
• 41:55
  Speaker 10: So if you if you can clear up some space
• 42:01
  Speaker 10: and utilize that money for something else, maybe, you know,
• 42:05
  Speaker 10: if the right deal came along, I'm sure they would
• 42:06
  Speaker 10: not poopoo it.
• 42:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 42:08
  Speaker 7: Hey, mos So I wanted to bring this up and
• 42:11
  Speaker 7: we haven't had the chance to do this. So Carolina
• 42:13
  Speaker 7: wins the Stanley Cup Championship. Their owner is Tom Dundon,
• 42:20
  Speaker 7: who just bought the Portland Trailblazers. Do you know what
• 42:24
  Speaker 7: Tom Dundan's reputation is as an owner so far?
• 42:27
  Speaker 9: Yes?
• 42:27
  Speaker 10: What is it?
• 42:29
  Speaker 9: Cheap?
• 42:30
  Speaker 7: So he won a championship allegedly being cheap in Carolina
• 42:33
  Speaker 7: but won a championship So I don't know how you
• 42:36
  Speaker 7: win a championship if you're cheap, but he did it,
• 42:38
  Speaker 7: and he's consistently produced a great hockey team.
• 42:41
  Speaker 6: In Carolina correct year after year.
• 42:43
  Speaker 9: Yeah, well, so how's he done it? Being cheap?
• 42:45
  Speaker 10: I think that people just they for, you know, one
• 42:50
  Speaker 10: certain aspect, then you get a reputation.
• 42:52
  Speaker 9: I think that's why.
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: Okay, would you consider this being cheap? Would you consider
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: hiring a brand new basketball coach to a one year
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: deal cheap?
• 42:58
  Speaker 7: Well, that's where I'm going on. So his tactics are different,
• 43:03
  Speaker 7: and I guess cheap is one way to describe him.
• 43:06
  Speaker 7: But he's deciding to spend his money in different areas
• 43:09
  Speaker 7: and cut back in certain areas. One of those is coaching.
• 43:13
  Speaker 9: So he just hired.
• 43:14
  Speaker 7: Mikenori, longtime Minnesota assistant, former Nuggets assistant, signed him in
• 43:20
  Speaker 7: Portland to be the next Blazer's head coach. It's a
• 43:23
  Speaker 7: one year deal, which I've never heard of a one
• 43:25
  Speaker 7: year deal before. I mean, Tortorella had a one month deal,
• 43:30
  Speaker 7: but I've never heard of a one year deal. And
• 43:32
  Speaker 7: on this one year contract signed by Mike Nory. Reportedly,
• 43:38
  Speaker 7: it's a sliding scale salary based off incentives and team success.
• 43:44
  Speaker 9: The reason I'm bringing this up, I've never heard of
• 43:46
  Speaker 9: that before ever. The reason I'm bringing this up.
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: What if it works?
• 43:53
  Speaker 6: What if this is the new formula?
• 43:55
  Speaker 7: What what's to stop other teams from doing this? We
• 44:00
  Speaker 7: always talk about where you should get paid, what you're worth,
• 44:02
  Speaker 7: get paid, what you win get paid. You know everybody,
• 44:06
  Speaker 7: If you lose, you should give your money back. Hear
• 44:08
  Speaker 7: that one all the time. If you win, then then
• 44:10
  Speaker 7: you earn it. It's basically the contract micah Nori signed.
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: Okay, let's get to this in a second, because I
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: see a big time potential for I'm not inflict between
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: the coach and players, know, the coach and innership and management. Yeah,
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: like what if you're tanking and yeah, let's let's get
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: that in justice. Second stick around