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When a Memory Becomes a Place · Infinite Threads with Bob Barnett

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  SPEAKER_01: and time.
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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome back to Infinite Threads.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm your host, Bob.
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  SPEAKER_00: This week we've been talking about time.
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  SPEAKER_00: About the moments that happened and never completely disappeared.
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  SPEAKER_00: About the way the future becomes the present and then becomes memory.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yesterday we talked about the younger selves that we still carry.
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  SPEAKER_00: Today I want to talk about something memory does that I find almost magical.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes a memory does not feel like information.
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  SPEAKER_00: It feels like a place.
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  SPEAKER_00: You hear a song that you've not heard in years, or you smell something familiar,
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  SPEAKER_00: or you see a piece of furniture that looks almost exactly like the one
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  SPEAKER_00: from your childhood home.
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  SPEAKER_00: And suddenly, suddenly you're not just remembering, but you're there.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not physically, of course, but something in you has stepped back into the room.
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  SPEAKER_00: You remember where the light came through the window.
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  SPEAKER_00: You remember the sound of somebody moving in the kitchen.
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  SPEAKER_00: You remember how the floor felt under your feet.
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  SPEAKER_00: And for a few seconds,
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  SPEAKER_00: the past stops feeling distant at all.
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  SPEAKER_00: It feels close enough to touch, even.
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  SPEAKER_00: That fascinates me, people.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because we usually think of memory as something stored in the mind,
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  SPEAKER_00: a fact, a picture, a story.
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  SPEAKER_00: But some memories seem to live in the body too.
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  SPEAKER_00: A certain smell can hit us before we even know why it matters.
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  SPEAKER_00: A song can produce a feeling before we consciously remember the event
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  SPEAKER_00: The reaction arrives first.
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  SPEAKER_00: Then the story catches up.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that tells me something about how deeply experience can settle into us.
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  SPEAKER_00: We don't just remember places.
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  SPEAKER_00: Places remember themselves inside of us.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's one reason that going back From somewhere from going back somewhere
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  SPEAKER_00: from childhood can feel so strange.
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  SPEAKER_00: The street looks smaller.
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  SPEAKER_00: The house may be different.
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  SPEAKER_00: The trees are taller.
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  SPEAKER_00: But part of us is still seeing two versions at once.
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  SPEAKER_00: What is there now?
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  SPEAKER_00: And what used to be there?
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  SPEAKER_00: The present and the memory
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  SPEAKER_00: I think that's why old neighborhoods can feel almost haunted.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not in a frightening way, but more like layered.
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  SPEAKER_00: You walk down a street and remember a bike lying in a yard that's not been there for 40 years.
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  SPEAKER_00: You look at a porch and remember somebody sitting there.
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  SPEAKER_00: The current place is real,
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  SPEAKER_00: but so is The version that you carry.
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  SPEAKER_00: For a moment, both seem to exist together.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's what I mean when I say memory becomes a place.
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  SPEAKER_00: You can actually visit it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not whenever you want maybe, but memory has, you know, memory has terrible operating hours.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes you try to remember something and get almost nothing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Then some random smell in a grocery store opens a door that you did not even know was there.
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  SPEAKER_00: Suddenly you're eight years old again.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's one of the things that I love about memory.
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  SPEAKER_00: It refuses to be organized neatly.
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  SPEAKER_00: The most important moments are not always the ones that we expect.
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  SPEAKER_00: A birthday party might blur together.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the sound of your mother opening a cabinet in the kitchen stays.
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  SPEAKER_00: A family vacation might become a handful of photographs.
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  SPEAKER_00: But you remember one particular evening when everybody sat outside talking.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's how memory seems to work.
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  SPEAKER_00: It keeps details that meant something even when we can't explain why.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe the details become anchors.
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  SPEAKER_00: Little pieces of a place that we can still find our way back to.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think objects can do that too.
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  SPEAKER_00: An old coffee table.
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  SPEAKER_00: A chair.
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  SPEAKER_00: A piece of china.
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  SPEAKER_00: Something ordinary that survived while everything else around it changed.
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  SPEAKER_00: We look at the object in the present, but we see all the rooms it used to be in.
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  SPEAKER_00: We remember who touched it, where it stood, what happened around it.
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  SPEAKER_00: The object becomes almost like a doorway.
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  SPEAKER_00: I've done that with old playgrounds at schools where I look over and I see one
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  SPEAKER_00: of the pieces of playground equipment that's the same one that I used to play on.
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  SPEAKER_00: We don't see this.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not like a doorway because it contains the past, but rather because we do.
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  SPEAKER_00: The object simply knows the password.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And photographs work in the same way.
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  SPEAKER_00: A photograph captures one instant.
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  SPEAKER_00: Everybody inside it is still alive in that second.
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  SPEAKER_00: Nobody knows what will happen next.
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  SPEAKER_00: We look at it years later and bring everything that came afterward with us.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that changes the picture.
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  SPEAKER_00: A photograph of an ordinary afternoon can become priceless
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  SPEAKER_00: because we now know it was not ordinary forever.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's something the people in the photograph could not know.
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  SPEAKER_00: They were just living.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're the ones who know what came next.
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  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes I think that's why looking at old pictures can feel almost like time travel.
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  SPEAKER_00: We are standing outside the moment, but part of us is inside the moment.
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  SPEAKER_00: We remember the room beyond the edge of the photograph.
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  SPEAKER_00: We remember who took the picture.
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  SPEAKER_00: We remember what happened after.
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  SPEAKER_00: The image gives us a doorway.
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  SPEAKER_00: And memory builds the rest of the house.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's another side of this too.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes we revisit a memory and discover it has changed.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not the event, but our relationship to it.
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  SPEAKER_00: A place that once felt frightening may look small now.
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  SPEAKER_00: A person we misunderstood May suddenly make more sense.
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  SPEAKER_00: Something that we thought was unimportant becomes precious.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're not the same person returning to the memory.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the place feels different.
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  SPEAKER_00: I went back to a childhood place that I remembered rolling down a hill in the front yard.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we went back and it wasn't really a hill.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was much flatter than I remember.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's interesting to me.
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  SPEAKER_00: The past does not change, but the visitor does.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe that's why we can return to the same memory many times and find something new.
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  SPEAKER_00: We bring new life experience with us.
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  SPEAKER_00: We notice things that we were too young to understand before.
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  SPEAKER_00: We see the adults as people instead of simply as adults.
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  SPEAKER_00: We understand that they were tired, scared, Trying.
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  SPEAKER_00: Guys, that can soften a lot.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes memory gives us a second chance to understand something
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  SPEAKER_00: that we could not understand the first time.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not to rewrite it, but just to see it more clearly.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's one of the most beautiful ways the past can still help the present.
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  SPEAKER_00: It can teach us after the fact.
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  SPEAKER_00: A conversation from decades ago can finally make sense.
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  SPEAKER_00: A choice somebody made becomes more understandable.
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  SPEAKER_00: A moment of kindness that seemed small
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  SPEAKER_00: at the time becomes enormous once we realize what it costs them.
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  SPEAKER_00: The place is still there, but we are arriving with better eyes.
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  SPEAKER_00: That connects to everything that we've been talking about this whole week.
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  SPEAKER_00: You and I will always be back then.
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  SPEAKER_00: Will happen, happening, happened.
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  SPEAKER_00: The child who is still here.
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  SPEAKER_00: All of it.
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  SPEAKER_00: All of it suggests that time does not live in us as a simple straight line.
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  SPEAKER_00: It folds.
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  SPEAKER_00: It echoes.
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  SPEAKER_00: It returns.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes a moment from the past becomes more emotionally present
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  SPEAKER_00: than something happening today.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's not necessarily a problem, guys.
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  SPEAKER_00: Memory can become a refuge.
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  SPEAKER_00: We can visit a place where someone we loved is still sitting at the table.
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  SPEAKER_00: We can hear the voice.
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  SPEAKER_00: We can remember exactly how it felt to belong there.
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  SPEAKER_00: As long as we remember to come back.
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  SPEAKER_00: The present matters too, guys.
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  SPEAKER_00: There are rooms that we're sitting in now
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  SPEAKER_00: That may someday become places we visit only in memory.
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  SPEAKER_00: That thought changes the way I look at ordinary life.
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  SPEAKER_00: This room.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to sell this house. I'm going to be gone.
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  SPEAKER_00: So in the future, there's a me that looks back on this as a memory.
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  SPEAKER_00: This conversation.
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  SPEAKER_00: This afternoon.
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  SPEAKER_00: One day, somebody may remember it differently than we experience it now.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe They will remember the light, the sound,
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  SPEAKER_00: something we said without realizing that it mattered.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's very humbling if you think about it.
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  SPEAKER_00: We are constantly creating places in memory for one another.
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  SPEAKER_00: We don't know which ones will remain.
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  SPEAKER_00: So maybe the best we can do is be present enough
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  SPEAKER_00: that something worth keeping Has
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  SPEAKER_00: a chance to happen.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not every moment has to become precious.
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  SPEAKER_00: Most will not.
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  SPEAKER_00: But some, some will.
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  SPEAKER_00: We just don't know which.
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  SPEAKER_00: Tomorrow, tomorrow we'll finish this week
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  SPEAKER_00: with the image that ties all of it together for me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Guess what that is?
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  SPEAKER_00: It's the tapestry.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because if every moment leaves something
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  SPEAKER_00: behind and every person affects what comes next,
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  SPEAKER_00: then maybe the tapestry doesn't lose a thread.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe everything that mattered remains part of the pattern.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not visible all at once, but still there.
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  SPEAKER_00: For today, I keep thinking about those places that we can still visit.
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  SPEAKER_00: The kitchen, the porch, the old living room,
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  SPEAKER_00: the car where somebody said something that we never forgot.
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  SPEAKER_00: They may not exist the way that they once did, but memory still knows how to get there, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes, sometimes without warning, it takes us home.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love you guys very, very much.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you know what I need you to do.
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  SPEAKER_00: Go out there and pass that on, okay?
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  SPEAKER_00: Later, Gators.
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  SPEAKER_00: Bye-bye.
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