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PODCAST: Episode 952 - Ashmedi of Melechesh's On His Return and New EP "Sentinels of Shamash" · Ghost Cult Magazine Podcast

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  The CEO of EMI is like, because he knew I'm a metal head.
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  He's like, oh man, you guys metal heads, you're so lucky.
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  You don't even need media. You don't need, you know,
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  massive marketing. It's all about loyalty.
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  The fans, it's fan driven, they're collectors.
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  It's like a lifestyle or religion.
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  You know, it's supportive, it's integrated without a government
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  involvement or a business involvement.
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  So what you're saying is it's not a theory, it's a fact.
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  And it's talked about behind the scenes, like they'll give you
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  metal heads, man. They're like, they're loyal and
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  you know, stuff like that. What's up, everybody?
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  It's kifighostcultmag.com, Ashmedi of Melekesh.
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  We talked like seriously 15 years ago from my old outlet
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  that is gone from the Internet, but I'm so supposed to talk to
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  you today. It was Metal Army America that I
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  used to work for and run, OK. And then they went under.
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  They were like Century Media's version of Blabbermouth, and
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  they were trying to, you know, use the platform to sell Century
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  Media records and other things in the distro.
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  And then they kind of went under and they folded it, and I ended
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  up at Ghost Cult. And now I own Ghost Cult with my
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  partner and just own it. Yeah, I'm the cult.
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  I'm the editor. I always love the.
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  I always love the name. Yeah, you know, with the fun
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  part of Ghost Cult is we don't have rock or metal in the name.
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  So it can be rock and metal, but it can also be anything else we
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  want, which is great. Yeah, yeah, freedom.
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  But I freedom. Yeah, exactly.
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  Freedom. Exclamation point, question
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  mark. I have been such a fan for such
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  a long time. You've had such a great and
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  consistent career. And now you have this new EP,
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  Sentinels. I'm Shamash coming out on
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  Raining Phoenix. So I wanted to talk to you
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  about, you know, changing record labels and this great new EP,
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  such a, you know, such a strong release, but you've been so
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  consistent over the years, which is like, my favorite thing about
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  the band is like, I love the last record and he.
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  I love the whole arc of the career.
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  But this EP is a killer release, man.
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  So, you know, First off, you know, rating Phoenix kind of
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  relatively new in the space, but run by industry veterans.
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  I'm sure you knew better. Yeah.
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  Gerardo and the team. So.
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  Yeah, and shout out of course the Curtis for putting us
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  together. But yeah, what a what a cool
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  thing to have your this like renaissance for you at the same
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  time as raining Phoenix. I'm happy to be with them
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  because I love Gerardo. I mean, I've known him for so
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  long and when we were both, you know, when he was at the older
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  label and now we were there, he is to go above and beyond.
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  He even would take a role of like a manager just to help to
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  get us to play in America. He would go way above and
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  beyond. And I, I'm like, this is rare,
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  man. And he's genuine.
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  Yes, is yes, no, no in the most honest, genuine way.
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  So we got along and then I hear there's raining Phoenix.
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  I'm like, what's going on? You know, And I was in LA
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  actually just I was talking with Stefan from our booking agency,
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  Continental. And you know, we always meet in
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  Los Angeles. We hang out.
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  I go do some meetings in Los Angeles, visit family because I
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  was in the States for other stuff in the East Coast.
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  I did Maryland Death Fest. I did a secret show in New York
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  and I did recording sessions for vocals, which we'll get into in
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  New Jersey. And then I had more recording
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  sessions in Los Angeles. So I was there and and Gerardo's
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  like, we have to meet, you know, we're gonna hang out.
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  And that was old. That was it.
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  And I think a couple of days later, I needed a paradigm shift
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  with the band because, you know, I needed to change the
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  trajectory, let's say. And things worked out as they
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  should for everyone. So I was texting Gerardo about
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  our meeting stuff. I'm like, oh, and by the way,
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  you know, I am now a free agent. You know, like we can now, you
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  know, I'm now we're going to be shopping for a label and there
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  are some offers and stuff. And he's like, man, what the
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  hell, We were supposed to meet next week to hang out just as
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  friends. Let's talk about this.
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  What I know about Gerardo from the history in the in the music
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  business is a person that understands and loves music as a
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  fan first. Yeah.
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  And he's been great in all his dealings.
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  I've never heard a bad thing about him personally.
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  And Reigning Phoenix so far has been just absolutely stellar for
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  just in general, like a great newcomer to the scene in terms
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  of like an experience. Yeah.
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  Experience, but also like freshness.
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  Yeah, the term newcomer it's it's very interesting.
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  It's it's nice to have new dynamics because you you they're
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  based on a new vision or something.
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  But the bands are veteran, the people who are there are
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  experienced. So it's like came to like him of
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  personnel and they have fantastic, you know, roster and
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  I was like, wow, all these bands amazing, you know, and there's
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  one thing I got to say, by the way, there's no criticism to
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  anybody in the industry. People are trying to adapt and
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  you know, it's it's a tough industry and there's so many
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  changes and sometimes there's many personnel changes.
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  It's not so common anymore to have this ANR figure, you know,
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  like I care about the music. I mean like that riff, like just
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  worry about the song, trust you, like that kind of stuff.
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  And it happens to be the co-owner, the manager.
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  So so there is that air of we are not just fans and we are not
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  just hey, the next project I have to do it or I'm an intern
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  or whatever. It's we're experience, we are
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  professional and we are fans at the same time.
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  So there is that kind of almost like when you the 80s charm of
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  record industries drive for music and, you know, real
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  meaningful advice and discussions and drive, you know,
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  and it was like really, I love the song.
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  I love the, it's about the music.
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  So that's something I missed, you know, and I don't blame it
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  because the industry is vast and it's very fragmented.
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  So they have that classic approach to artists that you
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  know, music lovers and record company hands on.
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  Right on. A&R is definitely a dying kind
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  of art form in the music industry, and it's great when
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  you see it actually in action. As a journalist, I love, I love
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  to see that it still exists in some places.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, the business has changed
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  so much. You've been around 30 years and
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  you know from the time of only physical to piracy like the
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  original Internet piracy bear share Limewire.
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  All the bad things. And then streaming being what it
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  is. But I feel like metal fans are
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  still very loyal. We go to shows, we buy merch, we
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  will buy the vinyl. Now that vinyl is a thing again,
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  I I listen. You are right, absolutely.
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  And because it's not just music, it's a culture and a lifestyle.
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  And I want to mention that actually, you know, I've done my
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  band since I'm a kid and there was no plan.
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  You just do it because you have to do it, you know.
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  But at one point I was in university and I need to do an
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  internship. I was in the States, no, in
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  Holland and I got hired by EMI Music.
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  EMI is a major label which also owned the capital in Virgin.
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  And then I become, I started doing ANR there, learning and
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  stuff and it became a job for a while.
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  And I learned a lot from there that they, at the time they were
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  still ANR. They were worried about the
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  digital downloads and stuff like that and they were concerned
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  with that. But I, I, I saw a little bit of
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  that classic ANR in labels and yeah, it is a dying discipline
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  now. It's more like liaison more than
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  A&R. So it was a very interesting
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  experience to experience that. And, you know, they would talk
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  different than corporations and money and stuff.
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  They would be talking really like the mood of the artist, the
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  effect of a toxic person that, you know, more like on a
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  psychological level and trying to organize things and introduce
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  people together. So I I, I enjoyed that A&R
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  aspect in the past, you know, and it's good to see it
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  nowadays, right? Oh, wait.
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  Yeah, Yeah. But about what you're saying,
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  they were saying the CEO of EMI is like, because he knew I'm a
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  metal head. He's like, oh man, you guys
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  metal heads, you're so lucky. You don't even need media.
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  You don't need, you know, massive marketing.
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  It's all about loyalty. The fans, it's fan driven,
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  they're collectors. It's like a lifestyle or
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  religion. You know, it's supportive, it's
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  integrated without a government involvement or a business
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  involvement. So what you're saying is it's
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  not a theory, it's a fact. And it's about behind the
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  scenes. Like, look at your metal heads,
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  man. They're like, they're loyal and,
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  you know, stuff like that, yeah. Right on.
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  I do a bit of music marketing myself, so I know about the
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  loyalty thing and you know, social media is interesting.
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  It's terrible and great at the same time.
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  It's a great little megaphone for artists, but it's so toxic
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  and not great as a person that works in the field.
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  But you know, I'm just so thrilled to see you continuing
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  to be vital. I love that you talked about
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  needing like a new direction or regenerate your, you know, renew
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  yourself as an artist. I love hearing that because
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  like, that's when you make yourself uncomfortable and
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  change the dynamics. That's when you make some of
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  your best art. Sometimes in adversity, right?
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  Yes, of course. You know all about that from
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  your whole your whole life. So I love that this this EP is
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  crushing. It's great.
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  The songs are like I I'm listening to an 8 1/2 minute
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  song does it felt like it was over like that like quit and
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  kept me engaged like it's so good.
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  I know, I know, I was thinking. Well, you know, sometimes we
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  have a long song on the album. We usually have relatively long
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  songs, but sometimes it's very long and it's more like a
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  ritualistic journey. But this one is very dynamic.
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  And actually it was supposed to be almost like a Part 1, Part 2,
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  and it got integrated to becoming one song.
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  But it is long. But somehow it's engaging, you
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  know, I hope. I hope that's what the consensus
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  will be. No, 100%.
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  I think the people are going to love this.
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  You know, it's in line with your whole career sometimes.
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  I know your music has been more experimental and, and this has
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  some of those elements. I think you always build on what
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  you are. Yeah, and what you've done in
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  the past. But there's, there's a lot of
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  freshness here. You know, I don't know if you
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  want to talk a little bit about each track.
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  This is going to come. Out.
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  Absolutely. Right before I think the only
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  single has been the Raptors track, but let's just talk for a
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  second about the 7th verdict, which is the opener.
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  Such a banger, so good. You like you like 7th verdict.
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  It's important because I've only the Raptors is out in shadows.
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  Yesterday was put on the platforms, but you know, so it's
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  a soft release. I think next Tuesday is the PR
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  with the lyric video. So you can hear feedback from
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  people. I mean the people around us,
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  they heard the whole thing. So I'm curious to hear your
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  feedback about 7-7 verdict because this one, you know,
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  we're not, you know, I haven't talked to anyone who listens to
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  it yet from the outside my circle, so.
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  Yeah, tremendous, man. It's a tremendous lot of, you
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  know, killer ribs, great vocals. There's even like a little bit
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  the the next track is like a definite like, you know, shift
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  away, like a little more atmospheric and then has like
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  very heavy parts. But I like 7th verdict feels
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  like a 3 minute metal song that's 6 minutes.
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  Like it's again, these are so well composed and I'm trying to
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  pick up on, you know, like the themes and and things, but you
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  know, I thought it was just a crushing track, one of the it's
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  like. One of the best.
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  It's like black trash. Good.
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  I'm glad you said that. It makes me very happy.
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  It is the black thrash angle of us.
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  It's what made me love this underground black thrash kind of
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  pumping dynamic riffs which are not too complicated with our own
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  sound. So I'm I'm glad you like it.
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  By the way, it has the Jessica Pymtel does backing vocals there
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  and the whispers Jessica, she's very talented.
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  She does she does focus for Buheria.
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  She has her own band. She was, you know, you know
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  about her. She's a, she's a friend.
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  She's a friend to the channel. We know I I'm from New York
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  originally. I live in California now.
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  OK, OK, I. Stand here from the same we're
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  from the same scene we went to and.
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  Here I am saying that, yeah, but I know.
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  Yeah, she's a legend. She's great.
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  She. I respect her because of her
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  talents. When I saw her acting it's moved
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  me and when I heard her singing I'm like she's badass.
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  She's a brilliant, she's a brilliant actor.
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  I think if the time ever comes where she wants to do music full
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  time, she would have no problem doing incredibly.
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  She's, she's talented, you know, I think because she was
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  empathetic and she has a outlook, a perspective on the
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  world with empathy. And you know, I, I sense that
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  from and I respect that in a person, a very strong person.
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  And you know, like artists, we all have in insecurities and
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  struggles. You know, you're exposed and to
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  be strong and representing yourself without being, you
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  know, like a gimmick or anything, just stand on your own
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  and have that talent. It's something I respect very
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  much. Right on.
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  So the second track in shadows in light, like I said, it's a
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  little more expansive, a little more experimental, but also and
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  I think it has a little atmosphere.
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  It parts to it, but then it's so epic like in the at the same
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  time it's almost like reminded me of like some aggressive post
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  metal like in a way. Like a cult, OK.
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  Or something. For you, that's that.
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  I, I don't know those bands. I know the name.
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  I think I heard their first album called Of Luna.
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  For me it's I like the 70s psychedelic and old rock, that's
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  all. So we are thrash, Black Rock,
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  extreme metal with our sound. But there's that side of us, one
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  of our angles is that 70 psychedelic rock that we like to
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  listen to, you know, so it has that cosmic feeling between raw
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  and Spacey and it sounds progressive, I guess, or trippy
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  or, you know, so. So I appreciate that it does
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  come across because for me that song is more like a a spiritual
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  and cosmic journey, you know? So that's why there's that kind
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  of like psychedelic ish sound. Right on.
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  I dig it. I'm a huge Pink Floyd fan.
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  That's actually my favorite band.
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  Despite all the metal and everything, I love Pink Floyd.
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  That's just. It's fantastic.
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  My whole childhood in in a in a nutshell, is is that band but
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  awesome. I'm gonna wait.
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  I'm gonna try to put this phone somewhere because I got I didn't
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  even know it's gonna be a video so.
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  Hell, no worries, my bad. OK, here.
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  I'm just going to do this. I'm in like, yeah, wait, take
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  this away. This.
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  I wasn't ready for that much. No worries, I think you got a
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  cool dancing shirt on. I like that dancing.
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  Yeah, I like Danzig and I had one without any logos and last
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  time I saw it, you can't see anything anymore.
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  It's so worn out. It's so I I was in Athens in
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  September and I went to some shop.
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  They have every single shirt of every band in the world and I'm
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  like, I just want a Danzig shirt and they have it.
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  I love the band, so it's. Great music.
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  Sometimes you just need a Danzig shirt, guys, you gotta.
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  Have a dancing show? I saw him in last year and it
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  was amazing. Oh, you've seen him live.
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  OK, yeah, a bunch of times, but he hasn't toured a lot.
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  And I and I saw Misfits finally, the Misfits reunion thing in 24
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  last about a year ago I was in Las Vegas and I saw Dancing and
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  Down with Crow Mags. It was insane.
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  Wow. That's such a good.
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  That's a really good one, I. Was like down downs only show or
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  first show in a while. Crow mags.
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  But Harley, you know I love so. You know, I like that.
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  I like I, I, you know, these bands with a tradition and a
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  history. When I, I was in New York a
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  couple of years ago when we did Maryland Death Fest, we hung out
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  in New York for like 2-3 weeks in like Brooklyn and we did some
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  rehearsals and we did a very secret show.
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  We can talk about that later. But also I was invited to go,
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  you know, we're going to see the Booker or so.
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  I don't know what was going on, but we went downtown in Brooklyn
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  somewhere and it was an Agnostic Front show show.
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  I was so happy. I'm like in New York that for me
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  it's almost like St. Frank Sinatra.
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  It's so authentic. You know, I'm like, I'm seeing,
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  I'm like texting my ex like Moloch, my ex members, like one
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  of my best friends. I'm like, dude, I'm watching
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  Agnostic Front right now in New York, you know, and it was such
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  a great thing to experience and I, I hung out with them.
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  What you know, intelligent, well spoken, enlightened conversation
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  about stuff. Fantastic experience, really.
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  I liked it, it stood out to me. Amazing.
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  That's like as New York as anything gets back to the
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  tracks. Let's close it out with Raptors
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  of I want to say Anzu if that's correct.
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  Anzu. And what a phenomenal track.
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  And I love that the whole song is good, but I love that final
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  riff, man. It is like, that's the that's
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  the go to the gym riff right there, man.
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  It's the lift weights and Popeye, Yeah.
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  Yeah, it's it's that catchy, thrashy heavy metal.
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  It just comes out of nowhere. It worked out the the song has
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  two endings. This is the ending we chose.
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  There's another ending which is more 70 psychedelic but still
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  very aggressive riff. But we didn't mix that one.
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  We went with this one and it turned out I'm I'm I like it.
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  I like it. I like those kind of riffs,
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  basically. You know, right on.
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  If there was a sort of a overlying theme about the EP
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  that you wanted to share. I didn't think it was
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  necessarily a loose concept EP, but, you know, obviously all
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  your stuff, you know, is conceptual.
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  Yeah, in a way. Is there something we could
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  share with the listeners and the fans to take away from this?
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  Look, the band itself, when they say do a concept album, I don't
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  know if we're a concept or a domain.
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  Don't. I don't put restriction,
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  whatever. You know, this song could be
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  thrashier. This song could be raw black
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  metal or, you know, more technical or more psychedelic
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  rock. It's still us from different
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  dimensions. I mean, every band should be
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  that who does that is is nice because you know, you got
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  different dynamics. Not every song is not it's not
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  one streamlined thing. There's always metaphor in the
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  lyrics. The I guess there's 11 angle
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  extra. I would like to say there's a
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  sense of retribution and a little bit of anger because
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  there's periods of enlightenment, periods of
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  questioning, and sometimes there's periods of like
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  retribution and anger, you know, And it's definitely with the
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  experiences I've been, I went through, yeah, every musician
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  say, oh, I've been through a lot now.
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  It's been like crazy shit that if you're gonna list them,
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  you're gonna go, OK, that's too many things, you know, you're
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  exaggerating. We won't go there.
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  But there is an element of retribution.
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  And also there's the challenge. When I'm not in that right
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  headspace, I can't in my conscience deliver music to
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  people, you know, it got to be the best of the best.
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  And if someone says it's a good album and the one before is a
• 20:18
  good album. You do stuff, it's not about
• 20:20
  what people say, but you always, you know, want to deliver the
• 20:23
  best you can for people, right? Otherwise don't release it.
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  So if someone says this is good, you're like, oh, shit, what now?
• 20:31
  One, one person told me when we did the album Sphinx.
• 20:35
  The Sphinx album, is it? Well, you're in trouble now.
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  What's next? I'm like, yeah, what's next?
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  So then we had to do emissaries and like, what's next?
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  I'm like, fuck, you know, But I think we delivered, you know, in
• 20:50
  quality of songwriting and conviction.
• 20:52
  It's not the oh, it's you know, some bands after a gap, maybe
• 20:58
  some, sometimes the songs are okay, you know, it's okay like
• 21:02
  that. I hope people don't see it as
• 21:06
  such. And what I'm hearing is they do
• 21:08
  not see it such. They see like Malkish are doing
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  what they do, you know, like the time didn't affect that.
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  And that's very, very important to me, that that's the most
• 21:18
  important thing, credibility and delivering this.
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  And there is no blueprint for us.
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  So I'm glad you enjoyed it and the feedback for me has been
• 21:30
  very good. And and that's that's the
• 21:33
  trajectory for the future as well.
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  Yeah. So.
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  But there is that sense of retribution.
• 21:38
  Right on, I appreciate that. Thanks for breaking that all
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  down and of course, another awesome album cover, a great
• 21:44
  artwork that's always very you know, I love when bands you've
• 21:47
  always had a really great visual style for the band, whether it's
• 21:50
  a photograph or an album artwork or a shirt.
• 21:52
  So I love that this artwork is kind of ties it all together for
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  me, like. Yeah, I like his. 2 music stare
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  at the cover. I was one of those kids before
• 22:02
  you hear me too, with the vinyl. Just look at it.
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  Record you would know every corner, every even every bend
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  and crack, you know that thing, you know, like the smell of.
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  And in the old days I remember, you know, as young people, if
• 22:14
  you buy an album and maybe you didn't like it at the beginning
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  because you paid for it, like I'm going to make sure I like
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  it. I'm going to listen, give it
• 22:21
  the, you know, not like throw it away and then you might fiction
• 22:25
  find the beauty in it and love it.
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  Or you might say in the end, like it's not working for me,
• 22:29
  but it's weird. Like an inanimate object would
• 22:33
  be sucked into it, into a whole universe from the cover to the
• 22:37
  sound. It's like one thing like that
• 22:39
  and we could be locked in a room, no distractions and go
• 22:43
  everywhere and it will sustain us for years.
• 22:45
  That's it. Time travel.
• 22:46
  With your ears, yeah, you do it. Yeah, yeah, just an awesome
• 22:50
  pleasure to talk to you today, man.
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  Let's not make it another 15 years.
• 22:54
  Let's talk soon, appreciate. It man.