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Perry Eliano OUT, Are More Ohio State Coaching Changes On The Way? · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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Welcome to a very special live episode of Buckeye's Tomorrow Morning for Tuesday, January
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ninth. I'm your host, tom Or. The Akron game is in two
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hundred and thirty five days, the game against Michigan in three hundred and twenty
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six days. You know, we are all about the peak behind the curtains,
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So here it is. We already did the show. Tony Gerdam and
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I recorded a whole show about the upcoming Ohio State coaching changes that we expected,
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what might be happening, when it might be happening, what's the reason
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for the delay. It's all recorded, it's all ready to go. And
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then tadah to Monday Afternoon, Ohio State announces that Perry Aliano, Safety's coach
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is officially out. So the earlier show, well, you're never gonna get
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to see it, but that's okay. We're doing it live, joined by
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Kevin Noon of bucke Huddle dot Com. Kevin, I guess this is not
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real a total surprise that Perry Eliano is out. It's maybe a little surprising
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that he's the first name that you're hearing that's out. But when you look
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at what I asked Ryan Day on what early signing day during the press conference,
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you know, what kind of criteria are you using to evaluate coaches moving
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forward and determining if changes need to be made. The first thing he said,
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the first thing out of his mouth was recruiting and safety has been a
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spot where Ohio State has had a lot of misses recently. You gotta figure
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that probably at least plays a factor in why Perry la Eliano will not be
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back for the twenty twenty four season. Yeah. I think that there are
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a lot of things in play here. I think that having two coaches in
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the secondary also can be a challenge because it's not necessarily a case of there's
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the right way and there's the wrong way. But you know, I may
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like to do things this way and you might like to do things that way,
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and they're both right, but you know, you just don't know so
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And I think that there's a part of it too, is Ohio States coaching
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numbers are a little out of whack in my opinion, in terms of offense
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and defense. And everyone's gonna say, well, Kevin, this is a
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defensive guy, So you're gonna place them with a defensive guy. Yes,
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you are, But I think I think this is probably a first domino.
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Uh you know, and we'll get to Dex's question comment here in a second.
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You had some guys that were on expiring contracts, and it's just a
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little bit easier at that point to say, Okay, we're going to go
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in a different direction versus somebody who may have a year left on their deal
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or whatever. And you know, somebody has to be first. And I
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know that people are, like, you know, have a hit list of
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coaches that they would like to see go. And even if even if your
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favorite one that you want to see go isn't the is the first one to
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listen might not be somebody else's. So you know, I don't look too
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much into the timing of who the first name is. But you know,
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when when this name started being talked about a little bit in the back channels,
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I was like, really, really, why why? And then you
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know you kind of thought it through it and say, well, I can
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understand it, especially when you need to find a way to answer a couple
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of big questions of what the future of your linebacker position is going to be
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and what the future defensive line is going to be. And I think we
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can get into all of that here in a little bit too. Yeah,
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and there are certainly names out there. I see people in the chat already
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talking about Matt Garyary, who worked with Jim Knowles at previous top believe he's
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with him at Duke and then was at Ohio State earlier in his tenure.
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He served as the defensive coordinator or co coordinator for Indiana last year, has
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been let go. So he is certainly a name that I think there is
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a lot of smoke around right now. But before we get into all that,
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let's touch on just some broader stuff. Before we get, you know,
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get into the nitty gritty about the other stuff that could be coming,
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maybecoming, other names, all that kind of stuff. Just more broadly,
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let's start last Friday. Let's back it up a little bit. That was
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when Football Scoop dropped a report Friday night. It was sort of broadly it
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was okay, Ohio State fans, there change is coming. Nothing has been
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announced yet, but it felt to me Kevin like, Okay, it's a
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little bit of a Friday news dump. But also it was a there were
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a few specifics in there about what was going to happen, and some there
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are going to be some changes and some significant changes on the way. That
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to me felt like a Okay, listen, the AFCA Convention, American Football
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Coaches Association Convention is it's happening right now. It started last night, Sunday,
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It started on Sunday night. It goes through the tenth That's when a
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lot of these position changes sort of happened, and some of the communications and
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conversations around those changes happen. A lot of times coaches will wait until that
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convention is going on or that convention is over to announce this, so you
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sort of give people a little bit of a fig leaf that, oh,
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hey, I didn't I didn't get fired. I just left and I took
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another job. I think that article on Friday, that news dump on Friday,
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felt a lot like, Hey, everybody relaxed, don't worry. I
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know everyone wants changes. Changes are coming, they're just not ready to talk
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about them just yet, right And you know, even even on the huddle
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board over at Buckeye huddle dot com, the best website in the entire nation
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in my opinion, and maybe even the world. I don't know. I've
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not traveled the world much. I am a worldly guy, and there were
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people being a little concerned that, I guess changes aren't coming, and I
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thought that the story from a football scoop was kind of timely at that point.
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It kept it kept the story moving forward, which it needed to.
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There needs to be changes, The changes are coming. These aren't things that
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necessarily nobody's getting tarmaced, nobody's getting fired on the tarmac. That's not going
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to happen. And it is for the best to give guys an opportunity to
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find an off ramp, to find a position to have plans. I mean,
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we do forget so often that you know, this is a business,
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but we are talking about human beings. We are talking about families. We're
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talking about children, whether or not their adult children or young children or whatever.
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And you don't want to sit there and just boot somebody into into outer
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space and say, well, you know, tough luck, buddy, and
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and go from there. So, I mean, you know, there has
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to be a level of decency and people will be like, wow, we
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were missing recruits or losing games or whatever the answer may be because of them.
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But if you if you're some sort of you know, royal hart ass
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or whatever, just go and try and hire somebody when that's your when that's
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your rep I mean, everybody can sit there and say that that Nick Saban
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is this and Nick Saban is that, and you know, the first answer
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there is Nick Saban's a winner. But you know, beyond that, I
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mean, yeah, he's certainly had his moments where he's yelled at the Lane
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Kiffens of the world, but he you know, with his revolving door,
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he hasn't necessarily done it the wrong way that all. So I think all
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of that's very important. Yeah, head coaches do try to keep them keep
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a reputation where you're not you know, old school George Steinbrenner, who's going
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to fire your manager three times a season because eventually people stop wanting to work
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for that person. And if you're a head coach, you want to have
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the reputation of a coach who sort of takes care of his people, who
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is not a total slave driver to work for, who is not going to
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throw his assistants under the bus. And this is kind of a part of
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that process. So while I know the Ohio State fan base says a little
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bit of a taste for blood right now with some of the assistant coaches that
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we're gonna be talking about. There is a reason for some of the delays
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or some of you know, the perceived delays, or some of the reasons
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that the process is playing out in the way that it is. So let's
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talk about some of the other stuff in that in that football scuperport, because
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I think we have seen the first of those dominoes to fall. I'm just
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going to quote here one paragraph here it is expected that Buckeye special teams will
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have new leadership next season, and Ryan Day is also expected to make it
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to change a change on the defensive staff as well. We just saw a
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change like that might be the change on the defensive staff. We'll see.
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There's lots of theories as to are they going to bring in another you know,
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the Matt Garry are as we said, who would be sort of a
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safety's focus coach. Are they going to bring in a Larry Johnson successor of
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some kind and double up? Is that what they do with the special teams
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position. I don't think it's a surprise, Kevin that Parker Fleming is going
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to be not invited to return for the twenty twenty four season. That just
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it never really worked there, They're just the special teams play was constantly up
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and down. There were constant miscommunications. It seemed like it was just the
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disaster of the week somewhere or other unspecial teams just about every week last year.
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And there wasn't a lot to show on the recruiting trail either. So,
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you know, while the Parker Fleming thing has not officially been announced,
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if the league says it is expected that Buckeye Special Teams will have nude leadership
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next season, it feels like that's probably one of the next dominoes to fall.
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And then the next question is where does that position go because they don't
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you know, maybe they'll have another full time special teams coordinator, or maybe
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that ends up being an extra assistant on the defensive side of the ball.
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Well, that's the thing. There are a lot of things here that we
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can discuss. I mean, and everybody's you know, probably talking about,
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well we're gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna send my moving boxes over to
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the woodie for you know, this coach or that coach. I mean,
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there could be reassignments. I mean, you could sit there and just be
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moved out of the ten counting coaches that can go out on the recruiting trail
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and do this and do that. There's nothing that says that you have to
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have your special Teams guy as one of those ten members. I mean,
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how often are you really going out and recruiting kickers? Hell kickers are coming
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in from Australia and doing the recruiting for you. Just call a pro kick
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Australia and it's like I need a guy, and we got a guy and
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there you go. Yeah. I think that we are going to have to
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see some of those questions answered, whether or not we see a move for
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what you know, what the bridge is going to be on Larry Johnson.
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I mean Larry Johnson is what in his early to mid seventies. I mean,
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it can't go on forever. The best way to do this is to
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have some sort of bridge, whether or not that guy who's the bridge comes
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in year one as a counter in the ten or as an analyst. And
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you know we all look at like GA as a grad assistant, but they're
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also analyst roles. I mean, Joe Philbin isn't taking courses at Ohio State.
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He is an analyst. Joe Filben a little old, right, now
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to be in there and and and and walking around to Independence Hall or anything
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like that to take courses. What do you do in order of trying to
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get James Lorinidis into the ten? Just do we see another year? He's
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got another year in terms of what GA abilities are, we could go two
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years as a GA, so he's got a second year. I mean,
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I I fully believe there was a plan in place upon bringing him over from
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Notre Dame, a path to one of the positions. But in order to
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make everything work, I mean, do you go another year there? Do
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you sit there? And do you roll? Do you give Walton? Tim
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Walton the entire secondary as a coach as you know, as his position?
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You know, I think it's important that if you know, if the Flemings
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position gets absorbed into the into the real ten for offense slash defense, it
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has to go to defense. So that would open up some numbers right there
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too. I mean, we're certainly not at the end of the rainbow in
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terms of how many coaching changes we're going to see. I think we're going
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to probably see at least two more, unless somebody goes to the a FCA
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convention and finds themselves a job who wasn't necessarily on the list, and then
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the number could grow, or you never know, because A happens, B
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and C happens, and if A doesn't happen, C and D happen or
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whatever, you know, you don't know for sure, but uh, this
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staff is going to have a little bit of a different look. And this
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is not unprecedented for Ryan Day, who went out and made changes, bringing
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in Knowles and Walton and Eliano and Fry all in one fell swoop. And
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I think in some points that that's you know, a young coach has got
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to realize that you can't necessarily ride with the same horses all the time if
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they're not working out. And you know, we're seeing you know, we're
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we're we're getting ready to see coaching staff three point zero under Ryan Day.
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Yeah, it's going to be. It's this is definitely not going to be
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the last of the changes. And I want to I do want to get
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to the offensive side of the ball. And there's lots of comments of just
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about justin Fry the offensive line coach in the in the comments right now.
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We'll get to that in a minute, but did want to touch on a
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couple things real quick. On the defensive side of the ball. You mentioned
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James Laurnidis. Jason Miller says Lauraitis has to be hired on his full time
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as a linebackers coach, as Kevin said, pretty sure that was the plan
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when James Laura Nitis is brought on a year ago. This may be a
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plans changed thing. It's still a little bit up in but there's been a
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lot of smoke around the fact that he may stay as a GA for another
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year, maybe get another bump pay wise. He had a nice long NFL
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career, so an extra hundred thousand dollars or two hundred thousand dollars or five
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hundred thousand dollars might not be quite the difference maker that it might be for
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other folks who are coming up through the GA ranks from a more traditional,
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non longtime NFL player background. So we'll keep an eye on Laura and iidas
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he's gonna have a role. He's going to probably have a significantly increased role,
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and that may be it waits another year kind of thing, depending on
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how the rest of the staff shakes out. Now, another thing, real
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quick, Spicy Leonardo, I think has confused, he said, why didn't
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the corners play well this year? Yes, that is Tim Walton's position.
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Tim Walton is the corners. Perry Eliano was the safeties. Tim Walton might
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be the safest safest assistant coach on the staff outside of maybe Brian Hartline.
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Tim Walton has been absolutely killing it on the recruiting trail. He just landed
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another five star in Devin Sanchez over the weekend. Tim Walton and his position
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group played great over the year. I think Tim Walton is probably one of
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the people who has no concerns whatsoever about his job security. So all right,
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so that covers at least sort of broadly the defensive side of the ball.
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We're going to talk a little bit about the offensive side of the ball,
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and I'm gonna go back to that Football Scoop Report and we're gonna just
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sort of center this around that just to kind of give you is this is
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sort of what has come out, and this is Ryan Day. I'm going
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to quote format here quote. Ryan Day informed the staff he plans to hire
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a new offensive coordinator and that coordinator will be empowered to evaluate the current staff
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and make new hires if he believes that will improve the team, sources,
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said Brian Hartlin, a Buckeye alum who has recruited and developed multiple first round
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picks, including Raining Blatnikoff Award winner Marvin Harrison Junr. Is considered to be
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safe, though quarterbacks coach Corey Dennis is on an expiring contract. So there's
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a couple pieces in there. Number One, when you get singled out as
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the guy who's on an expiring contract, that's probably not great if you if
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you're the guy who's in that story. So if I was going to say,
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hey, here's someone else you might keep an eye on in terms of
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a possible future move, Corey Dennis, the quarterbacks coach, is certainly you
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know, there's a reason his name was in that story, and I,
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you know, I don't want to read. I don't want to spoil the
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surprise, but it feels like the tea leaves you want to if you want
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to read the tea leaves are all sort of pointing in one direction. As
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for the rest of the offensive staff, heartline safe. If you have Corey
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Dennis in sort of that one camp that he was sort of singled out in
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the article, Okay, that's maybe a change that's already sort of being penciled
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in. Brian Hartline Safe, that means Justin Fry, that means Keenan Bailey,
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the tight ends coach. That means Tony Elford, the runnings back coach.
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Those would be the other three people there. We'll see how that all
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shakes out in the coming days. But if that is, you know,
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if that person, the new offensive course, is being given that leeway,
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Kevin, I think I would expect that that leeway will be used in some
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form, just because if you're the new guy coming in, generally you're gonna
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want to have some of your own people in there, so, you know,
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other than Corey Dennis, who you know. Once again, if you're
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singled out in that article, that sort of tells me what I you know,
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which way the wind's blowing. The other three guys, I think I'm
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going to say at least one of them may be in line for a change
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as well. If you're giving the new guy the the you know, the
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leeway to make a change, I would expect the new guy to probably make
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some kind of a change. Well, here's here's my thought on on the
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Corey Dennis being in the article. I I kind of I understand that it's
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in the article and the information has to kind of come from somewhere, so
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there's there's something to it. Let's not forget that. You know, while
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urban Meyer is not necessarily involved with the program, he works, you know,
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he works for Fox. He does the actual big noon kickoff off,
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not not the big me kickoff, which I need to do one here for
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like the first time in like months. I think it would be I think
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that it might be difficult for Ryan Day to make that move in some ways,
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with Corey being his son in law married to one of Urban's daughters.
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And you know, I hate playing this whole Hollywood and EPO baby type of
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situation, but I think there is a little Hollywood and EPO baby situation going
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on here. Now you bring in an o C in the OC who doesn't
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necessarily owe Urban anything in terms of his upward ascension in his career or whatever,
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maybe a move is made there. But just according to the tea leaves
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that I'm reading, I'm not as convinced that Corey is necessarily as close to
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the edge of that old you know, the old Price's Right game, the
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mountain climber game, or whatever it was He's not right there yodling off the
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mountain yet. But maybe a new OC could uh could could could see his
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way to that point. As for you know, as for the other names,
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again, if you bring in an O C with kind of hiring and
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firing powers and I'm always I'm always skeptical of that, you know, to
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to l su'sabo bringing up Brian Hartline, Brian Hartline was supposed to be the
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new play calling OC and there's a lot of debate whether or not he really
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was a play calling guy. And you could sit there say, oh,
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I'm going to bring in a lieutenant who's gonna have a lot of hiring firing
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powers. But you know that doesn't necessarily always end up being the case.
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But you know, I don't know, I think that I think that some
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guys still have a little bit of rope left. But you know, I'm
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still sticking with my number of three, with one already being in the in
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in the pocket with with with Eliano. But you know it if they if
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Day goes out and gets like a huge name O C. And I'm not
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talking like a huge name necessarily of what, like Lincoln Riley was in the
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hot minute that he was an o C. But you know, he goes
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to the NFL ranks and gets somebody. You know, I've certainly had some
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names thrown at me by fans and friends and everything else. And you know
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who. I mean, who who could be the guy? But you know,
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if you if he goes to the NFL ranks and brings in somebody who
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doesn't know these guys from Adam, I mean, you know, we could
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see, we could see huge changes on that side of the ball. So
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you just don't know. And when it comes to who that name is going
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to be, there's been a million names thrown out. I saw someone throwing
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out Lincoln Riley in this chat. I'm guessing Lincoln Riley is probably going to
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stick around at USC for a little while. But I think it feels like
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when you go back and look at this year, I think Ryan Day really
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grew to appreciate even more what Kevin Wilson brought to the offense because Kevin Wilson
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was sort of that veteran guy up in the booth, had been an offensive
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mind for a long time. Ryan Day, you know, as a former
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quarterback looks at an offense one way. Kevin Wilson is a former offensive lineman,
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looks at an offense a little bit of a different way. Had lots
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had a part of lots of very very effective spread run teams, whether it's
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the early two thousands Northwestern team, some of the early two thousands and maybe
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even late nineties Oklahoma teams. I mean, he was a part of some
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very very big and very explosive offenses that were very very efficient and very good
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at what they did. I think losing Kevin Wilson, you maybe lost a
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little bit of you know, the you know, I don't know if it's
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like the angel and the on the devil on your shoulder, but you know,
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maybe the little bird on your shoulder who just kind of, you know,
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has hey, what if we did this? And has sort of seen
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it all and done it all. Kevin Wilson, of course, now the
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head coach of Tulsa. He had a sort of rough first year, but
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a really really good recruiting class after his you know, his first full cycle
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at Tulsa. I think, I, you know, after listening to Ryan
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Day, you know, after listening to well, after listening to Missouri coach
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Eli Drinkwitz talk about this right next to Ryan Day during one of the press
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conferences before the Cotton Bowl, Eli Drinkwoitz talked on and on and on about
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how giving up play calling was the best thing he'd done. He did it
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a year ago and it had this just tons of positive implications for his program.
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And I'm listening sitting there watching Ryan Day, sitting five feet away from
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Eli Drinkwitz, listening to all of this stuff. Ryan Day a year ago
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was talking about, you know, leaked kirkirb Street that he was thinking about
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giving up play calling, and they brought in Brian Hartlin is the offensive coordinator,
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and they never gave up play calling. Listen to Eli Drinkwitz talk about
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all that. So with Ryan Day right next to him, it was like,
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I have a feeling we're going to see a new offensive play caller in
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Columbus next year. It feels like Ryan Day needs to find whoever the next
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version of Kevin Wilson is. You need to find somebody who you know you
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don't want to bring in. You don't want to bring in a guy who's
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like single wing or anything like that. You got to find somebody who is
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similar in offensive mindset, but maybe a little bit different to give you some
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flexibility. You need to have somebody who goes upstairs and can see the entire
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field and see everything it. You know, doesn't make sense to have your
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head coach is your play caller or your sort of play caller, and your
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wide receivers coach as your sort of play caller both down on the field and
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that you're going upstairs to. I think Keenan Bailey was really kind of like
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the main offensive guy upstairs. And that's you know, nothing against Keenan Bailey,
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but Keenan Bailey has been you know, a position coach, like a
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full on position coach for like fourteen seconds. And is he going to be
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able to shout down Ryan Day? Probably not, so, you know,
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I saw I think it was Tim Skeldon off off of watching this on Facebook
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mentioned Dan Mullin And I know some people have kind of hemmed and hot about
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Dan mullan, but you need somebody Dan mullen esque. I think in terms
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of somebody who has been to the fair and seen the bear and done this
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all before and has experienced at multiple levels in terms of being being a coordinator,
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being a head coach, And I mean that you know, Kevin Wilson,
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what Kevin Wilson had done, and I think that's very important, and
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I will I will say that I completely undersold what I thought that the loss
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of Kevin Wilson would be for the offense, because all the respect in the
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world for what Kevin Wilson has, But I'm like, well, you know,
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the thing is like, he's he's like the parking break in terms of,
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you know, being the offensive line tight end guy. He's the parking
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break on this vehicle. They still have the engine, they still have the
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turbo charger, they still have you know, all of that going on.
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How could things go wrong? Well, live and learn. Live and learn.
23:23
Indeed, Sue wants to not does Brian Hartline get angry that another offensive
23:27
coordinator is being hired. He, of course was the offensive coordinator in name
23:30
this year. It never actually got to call plays. I don't know that
23:36
Brian Hartline was gonna live and die with calling plays. I think sometimes you
23:41
get a title bump and that allows you to get a bigger salary, and
23:45
Brian Hartline's doing I think Brian Hartland is living a good life in Columbus right
23:49
now and is in a very good spot and is very successful and is that,
23:53
as you know, at his alma mater. I don't think you're doing
23:57
this if this is going to definitely chase Brian Hartline out. I think you
24:03
know Brian Hartlin had interviewed, he put his name in for the University of
24:06
Cincinnati head coaching job. I believe interviewed for that last year. Didn't you
24:10
know, didn't get it. I don't. I don't know that this is
24:12
something that's going to chase Brian Hartline out in you know, the next three
24:15
weeks or anything. Does he ultimately want to be the offensive coordinator? Does
24:19
he ultimately want to be the head coach somewhere? You ask him, We
24:23
have directly asked him that in the past, and he kind of you know,
24:26
I'm happy with the job I've got deep down in his heart. I
24:30
don't know. I don't know that anyone knows. He may be perfectly happy
24:34
in the position he's got right now, and you know, you're bringing whoever
24:37
else and then Brian Hartline's the co OC or Brian Hartland retains the offensive coordinator
24:41
title and the other guy's the COOSI. Whatever whatever it says on your on
24:45
your door plate. I'm sure he's going to be getting paid very well,
24:48
has the respect of the rest of the coaching staff. So I don't I
24:52
don't know that this is something that's going to, you know, make or
24:55
break Brian Hartland's time in Columbus. A super chap from Erwin Lichtenberg. We
24:59
should all be thankful she was capable what is of doing what is necessary to
25:03
be great perennially. Now, I think if you go back to our post
25:06
game show, you're gonna hear Tony and I talking a lot about from the
25:11
from the Cotton Bowl, Tony and I talking a lot about how big this
25:15
season was for Ryan Day and how there were some changes that probably needed to
25:18
be made, and you know, was Ryan Day going to be willing to
25:22
make the difficult choices that he needed to make in order to get this team
25:26
to where it needed to be. Because just I mean, as we have
25:30
said a million times, they have three stated goals. This is not us
25:33
making up the team's goals. This is the tame the team's three stated goals,
25:37
and those three goals are to beat Michigan, win the Big Ten,
25:38
and win the National Championship. And they are now zero for nine over the
25:42
last three years. So very clearly you needed to make some changes. He
25:48
had shown that he was willing to make some big changes two years ago,
25:51
Carry Combs out, Matt Barnes out, brought in Jim Knowles, brought in
25:55
a whole bunch of you know, kind of overhauled the defensive coaching staff.
25:57
It sort of felt like you needed to make this kind of change. We
26:02
specifically talked about on that postgame show, the need to bring in a play
26:04
caller so Day could take kind of take on the CEO role. You have
26:07
someone who's just worried about clock management and all that kind of stuff, and
26:11
you've got the play caller who's worried about the play calling, and you're not
26:15
trying to do three jobs at once, because if you try and do three
26:18
jobs at once, you don't do any of them particularly well. I think
26:22
that article from Football Scoop on Friday was sort of the shot across the bow
26:26
for people just hey, big changes are coming, and you know this is
26:30
Ryan Day being willing to make those make those big changes if needed. David
26:34
Greenshield says, chances they replace Fry. The offensive line did show improvement up
26:38
until the Cotton Bowl debacle. I think you kind of got to set the
26:42
cotton bowl off to the side because you had some weirdness and you had to
26:45
throw some guys in at the last minute. I don't know, honestly,
26:48
the chances they replaced justin Fry. It depends how do they feel about the
26:52
recruiting. The recruiting they've They've brought in deep classes, They've brought in pretty
26:57
solid classes the last couple of years, but they've missed on some of those
27:00
high level national guys pretty consistently the last couple of years under Fry and Kevin.
27:06
As the Football Scoop article said, ultimately that decision is going to be
27:10
left up to whoever the new offensive coordinator is. So once we find out
27:14
who the new offensive coordinator is, maybe we'll have a better sense for what
27:17
his plan is moving forward. As things stand today, it is I'm not
27:22
under the impression that that Fry is moving on now. That is where things
27:27
stand here on January. I mean, I guess we're doing this show technically
27:32
for January ninth. Things can change. You bring in that, you bring
27:36
in a new OC and he could have a different plan and things move on
27:38
there. I think something that's been evidenced is is that Justin Fry walked into
27:45
a room that was not nearly up to snuff with what Ohio State's offensive line
27:51
room needs to look like. There's been a lot, there's been a lot
27:53
of misses. I think that some guys moving on certainly kind of hurt the
27:59
number too. If you miss on three or four guys and then, okay,
28:03
Paris Johnson Junior, somebody who you assume he's going to move on.
28:07
Luke Whippler, you probably didn't expect him to move on as quickly as he
28:11
did. And again, Luke Whipler made a decent amount of money in the
28:15
NFL, not really seeing a lot of playing time for the Browns. But
28:18
now he's been a good postseason chairs too, So you know, it is
28:22
what it is there. But I don't think that we're going to see that
28:26
movement there. I think though, that the microscope is firmly on him at
28:33
this you know, at this juncture, the recruiting really needs to be there.
28:37
Ohio State has not been hitting a good average on its biggest offensive line
28:42
targets. And you know, we can sit there and say, what was
28:45
Jordan's seaton one of those this year? Probably that's where recruiting got down to
28:49
at the end was you know, they haven't they haven't landed Jordan's Seaton,
28:52
they haven't landed a JC Latham whoever. I mean, they've landed some some
28:56
guys. I mean Donovan Jackson was a five star win he was when he
29:00
was a freshman that was also or a high schooler, and that was breaks
29:03
Durawa guy. So I don't think that they move on from him in twenty
29:08
four, but an OC may see differently. And as far as who that
29:14
OC might be, so someone suggests Brian Ferrence in the chat, I don't
29:18
think Ryan Days related to Brian Ferrence, So I don't think Brian Farrence will
29:21
probably get a job there. Drew Frank says, if they get him,
29:25
I think Jason Kandall would be a good pickup. He's had Toledo ranked and
29:27
with very high scoring offenses the past couple of years, with much less talent.
29:30
And that's not the craziest thing in the world, because you have seen
29:37
recently sort of a change in the trend. It used to be the mac
29:41
coach, you know, the good mac coach ended up taking the Illinois job,
29:45
or ended up taking the Purdue job. You know, Daryl Hazel goes
29:48
from Kent State to Purdue, for example, and then the last couple of
29:52
years, the latter from the MAC to the Power five has seemingly kind of
29:57
gotten pulled up. You haven't seen as many of those jumps recently. I'm
30:03
just thinking back, and I don't know that, you know Lance Leiphold from
30:06
Buffalo State to go to Colorado and yeah, yeah, well yeah yeah,
30:11
not as not as a head coach though, because yeah, the last,
30:12
the last guy I can think of off the top of my head was Lance
30:15
Leiphold going from Buffalo to Kansas. And there may be another one or two
30:18
since then, but it used to be one or two guys a year you
30:22
would see move up that ladder. Now you're seeing guys leave those good love
30:27
those jobs. As Kevin said, Sean Lewis, head coach of Kent State,
30:32
had several good years at Kent State. Typically the kind of guy who
30:34
you'd think, Okay, now he's gonna move up the ladder. He left
30:38
Kent State to be the offensive coordinator at Colorado, not the head coach.
30:42
He left for an offensive coordinator jobs. You give up a head coaching job
30:45
to go be a coordinator in the Power five and then that did not go
30:51
great. He his his season was perfectly fine. They opted not to have
30:55
an offensive line, and then Dean Sanders swapped him out as the offensive play
31:00
caller, and then he took the San Diego State head coaching job, replacing
31:03
Brady Hoak. There so, the idea of a MAC head coach, even
31:08
a MAC head coach at a pretty high level program like Toledo that is playing
31:12
for MAC championship games, you know, MAC Championship several years in a row,
31:18
that's not the craziest idea. I will leave the analysis of Jason Kandall's
31:22
play calling ability and schematic schematic talents to Ross. But you know, just
31:29
in terms of hiring a sitting head coach as a play caller, that would
31:33
not be that would not be completely unprecedented. Tony German, if that is
31:41
how you say that name says coach Prime is a hell of a recruiter,
31:44
well sort of, maybe they should bring in coach Prime. And that dovetails
31:48
back to what I wanted to say about Jason Kandall is I don't know what
31:52
Jason Kandall's recruiting chops are. You already have a defensive coordinator in Jim Knowles,
31:57
who is not not the most prolific recruiter. And I understand now we
32:05
can sit there and like, well, on offense you've got Brian Hartline,
32:07
who can recruit anybody, and on defense you've got Tim Walton, who can
32:09
recruit anybody, but they don't land everybody. So obviously you need to make
32:15
sure that of your ten that you have more guys than not that are our
32:21
high level recruiters. And again I'm not putting any character assassination on Jason Kandell's
32:25
recruiter. I just don't. I don't know. When you're a head coach,
32:29
you're a closer. You're the your coffee. You know, coffee is
32:31
for closers. You're the closer. You're not the guy going out there and
32:36
doing the initial evaluations or the secondary evaluations. You know, the hey is
32:39
in the barn generally at that point you're trying to make sure that that comes
32:43
together. So I don't know. I also saw somebody, you know,
32:46
I brought up Dan Mullen because I saw it in the chat. I've certainly
32:50
heard the name thrown out there before, and there certainly were some issues there
32:53
and you know, I talked to somebody like on the board who says that
32:57
they know, you know, they know Mullen and he's having a fine life
33:01
doing television and being able to golf four days a week and everything else.
33:06
So you just you don't know what's going to be there. I mean,
33:09
I think there are a lot of names out of the NFL that make a
33:13
lot of sense, and I'll hold on to those for now because I'm a
33:15
feeling we're going to be doing a lot of these shows coming up here,
33:19
and I don't want to I don't want to put up every shot I have
33:22
on the first show. I want to keep people coming back. And you
33:25
know, there's probably a lot of NFL staffs that are going to get sorted
33:30
out over the next few days. I know several guys got fired today,
33:31
and several guys have been fired earlier in the year, which means there's going
33:36
to be a lot of coaching staff shuffling in the NFL, which will open
33:38
up some other positions and other names potentially. I do wonder how many NFL
33:44
guys are willingly going to jump from an existing solid NFL job to a college
33:47
job at this point, with all of that that comes with being a college
33:52
coach right now, with recruiting, with the transfer portal with nil, it's
33:57
a little more of a circus than it was before, and it was already
34:00
more of a twelve month a year job than being an NFL coaches. An
34:02
NFL coach does get some time off because it's not personnel management. Is not
34:07
your job as an NFL position coach. It kind of is your job in
34:12
a lot of ways as a college position coach or a college coordinator. So
34:16
we'll see how many, you know, We'll see how attractive a college job
34:21
is. Whether you're able to hire a sitting NFL coach or whether you might
34:23
have someone who just had their whole coaching staff pulled out from under them.
34:29
Maybe that's more the type of NFL guy you're able to bring in, but
34:32
that is certainly certainly gonna be a challenge, I think, to pull a
34:35
sitting NFL coach to Ohio State, unless it's someone with Ohio state connections.
34:39
Andrew Way says, we have won zero national titles with Heartline and all his
34:43
amazing recruiting, that's only getting us so far. That is a statement that
34:49
is entirely true, but also really misses the point in that the recruiting at
34:54
wide receiver has been really good for several years, and the play from the
34:59
wide receivers it has been really good for several years. I'm not sure how
35:01
much I want to put on Brian Hartline that the twenty twenty and twenty twenty
35:05
one and twenty twenty two defenses really kind of stunk. That that is not
35:08
really on Brian Hartline, and the failures in twenty twenty three on the offensive
35:13
side of the ball, the struggles were more on the quarterback and the offensive
35:16
line. Again, that's not really on Brian Hartline. I think it only
35:20
gets you so far. Is absolutely correct. But if you have a Brian
35:24
Hartline who's bringing in the wide receiver talent that he is, and you have
35:29
a Tim Walton who's bringing in the corner talent that he is, then you're,
35:34
you know, if you've got to win in the trenches too. They're
35:37
very clearly trying to bolster things in the trenches through the transfer portal and obviously
35:40
going to be continuing to try and bring in some very high, high level
35:44
talent in the recruiting world as well. But if you have a if you
35:47
have a really highly ranked recruiting class that is being developed very well and turning
35:52
into high level NFL draft picks as Brian Hartline sort of has the assembly line
35:57
going there, and you're doing that at corner as well with Tim Watson.
36:00
Those are two pretty good building blocks. Go back to one of the failures
36:04
of that twenty twenty Ohio State defense was boy, they didn't have enough corners.
36:08
Well, it seems like that problem has sort of been rectified. They've
36:12
got they've got some other issues now, but I feel like they've got plenty
36:15
of good corners. Yeah. I mean, it's not always going to be
36:21
the same issue every year, and you kind of have to catch everything.
36:23
I mean, because we're dealing with very finite cycles of how long these players
36:28
can be in a program unless they're up at you know, the team up
36:30
North, and the average age of that teams like thirty eight. You sit
36:35
there and you're like, oh, well, we're you know, we got
36:37
a solid offensive line with Paris Chauton Junior and Dwan Jones and Luke Whippler and
36:40
what you know what that line have and then you lose them and it ends
36:44
up becoming an issue this year and you can't necessarily protect a quarterback who you
36:49
were hoping was going to be mobile, more mobile than the previous quarterback and
36:53
proved really not to be any more mobile than than than the previous quarterbacks.
36:58
So I I think to Andrew Ay's point, I would much rather still have
37:02
a Bryan Hartline bringing in these guys, because Okay, that's going to create
37:07
success year in and year out of being able to land these top wide receivers.
37:13
But it also gives you more street cred as well maybe at other positions
37:17
of trying to land guys. And you know, I certainly have talked to
37:20
defensive guys who talked to me about coach heartline, and you know all I
37:24
started really kind of watching Ohio State closely because I really liked Rislabe, or
37:29
I really like Garrett Wilson, or like Marvin Harrison Junior. So all of
37:32
that, you know, there's it's all interconnected to a certain extent. Need
37:38
more, Cowbel says, a Vrabel becomes available, get him, no matter
37:42
the cost. Remember all the stuff I just said about NFL coaches not wanted
37:45
a coach in college taps sign moving on. Tony Gerderman says ty Hamilton just
37:51
tweeted that he's coming back for twenty twenty four. That is a very big
37:53
get for Ohio State. Not a big surprise. Talking to him at the
37:58
Cotton Bowl certainly it it certainly felt like he was coming back. That is
38:04
a yeah. But still that's someone who you put him next to TYLERK.
38:08
Williams. Yes, they lost my call, but you put him next to
38:14
Tyler Williams and that's a pretty solid interior of your defensive line. You still
38:17
have a bunch of the young guys who are up and coming. You've got,
38:21
you know, Hero Canoe, and you've got Taiwan Malone, and you've
38:23
got Caden McDonald and you've got Jason Moore and all those guys. But those
38:29
guys are now maybe not going to be relied on to be starters. Those
38:31
guys are going to be relied on to be quality depth, provide reps,
38:36
and maybe some of them, maybe someone comes along and is so great and
38:38
developed so much that they steal a starting job or they become co starters.
38:43
That's great. This is a we have. We've had this conversation a bunch
38:46
of times with regard to Will Howard coming in as a quarterback with regard to
38:52
adding the center from Alabama, all of this is just raising the floor.
38:55
This is raising the bottom. You know, the worst case scenario for the
39:00
twenty twenty four buck Eyes improving that because the more quality defensive line guys you
39:06
have. Number one, the more depth you've got, the more you can
39:07
lean on that depth. But number two, that you know what you're getting
39:10
from Ty Hamilton. And Ty Hamilton is on the list of most underappreciated Ohio
39:15
State football players because he is not the big name guy on the interior that
39:19
defensive line or on the defensive line and the whole, but man, he
39:22
has been a consistent performer for them for years and I think I mean going
39:27
I'm just thinking through now Kevin most underappreciated Ohio State players over the last couple
39:32
of years. I think Ty Hamilton might be at the top of my list
39:37
of anyone because this feels like a sneaky, big return for the Buckeyes.
39:43
Well, it must be something about the Hamilton kids, because people I think
39:45
kind of overlooked Von too. And you know, he's making quite a little
39:51
run for himself in the National Football League. So I think this is a
39:54
huge get and I joked about resetting the show so we don't have to record
39:58
specifically Ty Hamilton show. We'll just make this a combo show or something of
40:02
that nature and hit hit the needs that we have on the site. But
40:07
yeah, I think that it is a big get. You're not having to
40:10
thrust hero Canoe into too big of a role immediately. Taywe Malone obviously had
40:15
some experience at Ole Miss before transferring to Ohio State, but he was splitting
40:20
time with football and baseball. You know, they're trying to get him,
40:23
They're trying to get him into a position to do what they want there.
40:27
This is you know, this is this is significant and people are asking about
40:30
what about J. T. Tuamolowaw. We still have six seven days something
40:36
like that before we have to have everybody's decisions in So we'll let you know,
40:42
and I guarantee you there will be a show involving that. Yeah,
40:47
we'll have We'll have an update on that. Whenever we have an update on
40:50
that. The only date that I'm aware of that a guy who has specifically
40:54
set an announcement date is Denzel Burke. He's announcing on January tenth. Everyone
40:59
else deadline, I think is what the fifteenth I think of the fifteenth of
41:04
January. Yeah, it's it's a few days off, a little less than
41:07
a week off, give or take. So we'll we'll have those updates on
41:10
a bunch of those other guys in the coming days. But yeah, Denzel
41:15
Burke coming up on December tenth, that's the one he told us that at
41:19
the Cotton Bowl, you know, sort of talked about, talked around sort
41:22
of the factors that we're going to go into his decision. We will find
41:24
out on the tenth whether he is in fact coming back or not. If
41:28
he comes back, boy, that would be another huge, huge piece for
41:31
this Ohio State twenty twenty four defense. DW Superchat says, Kevin Wilson,
41:37
os, you bring back, Kevin Wilson, Os, you lost to Michigan
41:40
twenty one and twenty twenty two by cheating. I think certainly the twenty twenty
41:47
two game in particular, you have you look at what CJ. Stroud's doing
41:51
in the NFL, and you look at how that game played out. I
41:55
think the twenty twenty two Ohio State Michigan game is the one that I might
42:00
be looking at the most in terms of what the impact is. There was
42:02
just an article for Dan Wetzel about how well this Michigan making the National Championship
42:07
Game totally made totally negainst any kind of Okay, that's that's uh, that
42:12
is certainly, yeah, it was. It was certainly a thing you could
42:15
write in the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty four. Uh, Tony Gerdaman,
42:22
Ty Hamilton, you know, you could just join the show if you
42:23
want to, Uh, Tony, ty Hamilton. Ty Hamilton started seven games
42:28
this year. Mike Hall started seven games this year. Tyler Williams started twelve
42:32
of the games this year. For what it's worth, yeah, he is.
42:36
I mean you get him back, I mean Mike Hall. Mike Hall
42:38
did not have a great season. I think some off field stuff played into
42:43
his NFL draft decision probably, But getting Ty Hamilton back, having Tyler Williams
42:50
back, those are huge that those are huge, huge benefits to this Ohio
42:54
State defense because, as I think Tony and I did a show earlier today
43:00
the Michigan Washington game, as I think you're going to see, not having
43:04
a great interior of your defensive line is going to be a problem if you
43:07
are playing Michigan that gives Ohio State a very solid interior of your defensive line.
43:14
I think the Washington Huskies would probably love to borrow Ty Hamilton and Tyler
43:17
Williams this evening. I am not sure and if NCAA rules will allow it.
43:22
Jordan Kapler says, petition to replace Tom with Tony Tony has respectfully declined,
43:27
So sorry you are stuck with me. This just just changed. DW
43:32
says Ty Hamilton was the run stopper when Hall was in. They ran right
43:36
at him. Hall was maybe more of the pass rusher Ty Hamilton. You
43:39
talked about Devonna Hamilton earlier. He always sort of did the just the dirty
43:45
work. He was, you know, he was like the Mike row guy
43:47
on the interior the defensive line, where it was just like the the dirty
43:52
jobs. Not a lot of flash, not a big recruiting profile, but
43:58
he just kind of kept me making big plays and ended up in the NFL.
44:01
And Ty Hamilton having a very similar career where again not a lot of
44:06
flash, but just kind of doing the work and getting pretty good results.
44:12
Yeah, exactly, as my phone is ringing, I was like, oh,
44:14
is it a soort of No, just just the wife. So I
44:15
just I'm probably in trouble because I find her call. But yeah, you
44:21
know you need those guys you need, whether or not you want to call
44:23
them blue guys or whatever. I mean, thy Hamilton would go out there
44:28
and do the tough things that that that you needed. And everybody was so
44:34
concerned in a lot of ways of I need to see ninety one and fifty
44:37
one out there, but you know when Ty Hamilton was out there in a
44:39
lot of high leverage positions, and you know, I think you need a
44:44
plugger like that. Especially as we see the conference change the way that it
44:50
is doing business in terms of the eighteen team conference and you're not getting Rutgers
44:54
in Maryland every year. I think you need to sit there and have those
45:00
those types of run stoppers there as you know, the Big Ten is still
45:02
going to be a run league. Eddie Perry says Burke should be back.
45:07
What about Trevion Trevian Henderson, he's also waiting to announce. It has seemed
45:14
like it was maybe more likely that he was going to return than not.
45:16
That sort of seemed like again the way the wind is sort of blowing right
45:21
now. The interesting factor there is the recruitment of Quinchawn Judkins, the former
45:27
Ole Miss running back who is up in Columbus. He was up in Columbus
45:31
last night, tweeted from Columbus. Just tweeted the eyes emoji with the location
45:35
Columbus, Ohio, which I know what picture is worth a thousand words,
45:38
Kevin, that felt like an emoji being worth at least a thousand words.
45:43
Yeah, absolutely, I was. I don't even know what I was doing.
45:46
And then I looked at my phone and I just saw like the eyes
45:50
thing, and I'm like, oh, I'm a big deal. And somebody's
45:52
like, no, look at the location. I was like, oh,
45:54
yeah, that's that's significant. And there'd been some some rumors kind of floating
46:00
around that he was somebody that Ohio State could be looking at and oh,
46:05
it's an either or between he and Trey, And it really doesn't sound like
46:07
it's an either or. Now, you know, Trey has to kind of
46:09
come to that decision, but it sounds like twin Shawn doesn't really have an
46:13
issue with it. If he were to end up at Ohio State, and
46:15
if you sit there and you look at the path that's going on right now,
46:21
it was thought, Okay, you know he's from Alabama. This is
46:22
gonna be it's gonna be hard to get him away from Alabama. Well,
46:25
it doesn't seem like Alabama's going to go after him. Then then it seemed
46:29
like it was going to be Georgia, and Georgia's kind of focused on somebody
46:31
else. So, oh, it's going to be Ohio State in Florida State.
46:34
And it really doesn't sound like Florida State that far down the rabbit hole
46:37
there either, So this really sounds like it could be Ohio State. I
46:40
mean, this is you know, this is significant for developments. And as
46:47
I've said, and for those of you who watched all of our programming,
46:51
my wife went to ole Miss, so I've watched a lot of ole Miss
46:53
football through the years, but married for almost seventeen years, I've watched a
46:58
lot of ole Miss football. Quinchonjakins of Special, Ivan Anderson's Special too.
47:02
This could be a very disgusting backfield. I mean, there's I know,
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I know, we're sitting here in January and everybody's like freaking off season to
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watch. Michigan twenty twenty four could be pretty damn exciting. It seems like
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they've they've taken. You know that they've dropped the fuel tanks and they're they're
47:20
you know, they're going weapons hot right now. It does feel like between
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the the transfer portal additions and pursuits that the Ohio State has had and the
47:32
assistant coaching staff change so far but changes to come, it does feel like
47:39
Ryan Day knows that this is something of a put up or shut up year
47:44
for him in twenty twenty four. He doesn't. I'm not saying he needs
47:46
to win the national championship to be the coach at Ohio State in twenty twenty
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five. You do have a new athletic director coming in this year when Jean
47:53
Smith retires. Sometimes the new guy likes to have his own guy in the
47:58
big chair in the foot ball office. So Ryan Day, I think,
48:02
is sort of aware of that and interested in hitting some to all of his
48:07
goals in twenty twenty four. It does feel like there are some, you
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know, some of those changes that are coming that we're talking about on this
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show, and we're gonna be talking about in coming shows. Probably reflective of
48:19
that. Steven says, Judkins and Heads would be a hell of a combo.
48:22
They are, you know, Tony Gerderman and I did a commenter on
48:27
this show. Tony Gerderman and I did a Buckeye Weekly podcast episode earlier today,
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talking a bunch about Judkins and Henderson together and the benefits of not having
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the one guy who has to carry the ball thirty times a game, because
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that's what Judkins was really asked to do it Ole Miss and if you look
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at his game by game stats, he really does seem like he wore down
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quite a bit. His sophomore season stats were not what his freshman season stats
48:51
were, but if you go game by game towards the end of the year,
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as he's getting twenty seven and thirty three carries a game, you kind
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of wore down, similar to how Blake Korum wore down in you know,
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this season, but also in twenty twenty two when he got hurt against against
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Illinois late in the season. Running backs only have so much tread on the
49:12
tires. That's a conversation we typically have in terms of college to NFL.
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Judkins, I believe had the most carries in college football the last couple of
49:20
years. So if he has to, you know, if he splits carries
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with Travan Henderson and Trevan Henderson doesn't have to carry the full load, and
49:28
Judkins doesn't have to carry the full load. Maybe they're both a little fresher,
49:30
they're both a little healthier, and you're getting more results and better results
49:35
at both of them if Judkins does. Judkins has not officially committed to Ohio
49:38
State. We're still just sort of in the speculation land here, but if
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that happens, that feels like that could be a really big addition for the
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Buckeyes on the ground. Well, let's not forget too with the twelve team
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playoff. You're saying that the top teams are gonna be playing even more football.
49:53
They're gonna be more teams playing fourteen to fifteen games. I mean,
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I'm not a math major. I don't. There's a lot of games.
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If you go to the championship game, so you want to sit there and
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have a pair and a spare and everything else. You don't want to.
50:07
I mean you don't if you're a If you're a thirty carry back and you've
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got to play sixteen games, I mean, what the four hundred and eighty
50:15
carries? I mean, we're talking about NFL wear and tear and on,
50:21
you know, on somebody who's a couple of years younger than than a rookie
50:24
back. That's just a lot just breading through some of these comments. Uh,
50:31
lots of lots of suggestions that that Justin Fry might need to be replaced
50:36
on the offensive line coaching position. Again, according to that Football's Group report,
50:42
when the new offensive coordinator comes in, that's going to be the person
50:45
who sort of makes the decision the thumbs up thumbs down, Like, who
50:50
was it who was the emperor in uh the old Roman movie Coliseum. You
50:59
know he was Julius Caesar in the movie. Anyway, it doesn't matter,
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you know what I mean. Yeah, thumbs up, thumbs down. Yeah
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Phoenix, Yeah yeah, Joaquin Phoenix. There we go. We got there.
51:08
What a show? What a show. I'm gonna run through a couple
51:12
of these. Uh okay, Gladiator is the movie. Uh we have Tony
51:19
saying kimodis and Sue saying Nero. So I'm gonna say it's Nero. But
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we'll see he is the one who fiddled while roam burned. Yes, yes,
51:29
all right, So just kind of run through a couple of these other
51:30
questions or a couple of these other comments uh. Jordan Capla says, I
51:35
don't wish bad things upon good people. Perry Eleano good person. Yeah,
51:37
I don't. I think I don't think you'd find anyone who had a bad
51:40
thing to say about Perry Olano as a person in his time in Columbus,
51:44
he was. He came to Columbus, he was a cornerbacks coach at Cincinnati
51:49
and then got sort of reshuffled into that safety room. He was Sauce Gardner,
51:53
Gardner's cornerbacks coach at Cincinnati. So you know, there is there is
51:58
a little bit of track record of trade. Sauce Gardner was like a what
52:01
low three star coming out of Detroit. I mean he was. He was
52:05
not anyone that anyone of any you know, big power program was pursuing and
52:09
then turned him into a first round pick. So you know, Perry Ellieno
52:14
has a track record filoping guys. May have been a little bit miscast as
52:17
the safety skuy at Ohio State, not sure, but that is now now
52:22
not you know, no longer the Ohio State safeties coach Sussais she actually called
52:28
this one thought the lack of getting kJ Bolden and others would would would ultimately
52:31
get him. And you know, again I asked Ryan Day during the early
52:35
signing day, what are the criteria that these guys are going to be judged
52:38
on in terms of, you know, when you're looking at whether you're going
52:40
to make a change or not. And he said, you know this,
52:45
you know, the standard is the standard. But one of the first things
52:46
he talked about was recruiting and are you getting it done on the recruiting trailer.
52:50
Are you recruiting at the level that you need to be recruiting at to
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get Ohio State to where they can hit their goals. And they have had
52:57
some misses in that safety room and they have have lost a bunch of you
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know, a number of the guys who have been brought in over the last
53:02
couple of years have all you know, a bunch of them has transferred out.
53:06
You just had Kai Stokes transfer out this year. They've but they have
53:09
had a lot of turnover in that safety room. They've had some hits.
53:13
It seems like Malie Hartford is you know, probably a hit. Lathan Ransom
53:17
was there before, Perry Eleiano, but he's been you know, he was
53:20
very good. Josh Proctor was very good. The safety play was pretty good
53:22
this year, but they've had some misses on the say, you know,
53:27
on that safety front over the last couple of years. That probably a big
53:30
factor in why Perry Eleano is is out at Ohio State. Yes, Stephen
53:37
steven says, not getting your cousin has has got to be a nail in
53:40
the coffin. kJ Bolden is what like a second cousin of Peri Eliano.
53:44
This is not like someone who he raised as a from birth. I thought
53:49
it was Caleb Downs was? Well? Was it? Was it? Caleb
53:52
Downs? Was kJ Golden either one? Yeah? No, I think I
53:54
think Caleb Downs was was a not a distant relation, but you know,
53:59
not not like it. Yeah, something like that a cousin of some sort
54:01
of second cousin. Yeah. And watching Caleb Downs start and star for Alabama
54:07
this year had to be difficult for Ryan Day, no question. I mean,
54:09
you look at the first play of the Rose Bowl and I know,
54:13
I know his foot was four inches out of bounds. But Caleb Downs the
54:16
first play of the Rose Bowl intercepted JJ McCarthy when Ohio State did not force
54:20
a turnover in the Ohio State Michigan game, And you know, I mean,
54:23
but he is. He sure looks like a difference maker. And he
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was all but ticketed to Ohio State for quite a while and then ended up
54:31
going to Alabama and seems like he's well on his way to start him there.
54:36
Yeah, and Walter says it was kJ Bolden. Yeah, k was.
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I don't know. I remember there being some sort of tie in with
54:44
Downs then too, because when Mark and I went down to Georgia for Southern
54:47
Swing there was certainly some sort of thing then. You know, sometimes it's
54:53
you know, sometimes your family and sometimes your fam and you know, it's
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hard to it's hard to differentiate. Yeah, it was, he was definitely.
55:01
You know, the fact that they were to have multiple big five star
55:07
safety recruiting misses recently that we can get confused is probably part of the indication
55:13
as to why this is happening. Jordan says, finished the comment. Tom,
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Yes, I'm sorry, Jordan, I got distracted by the actual substance
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of the comments. I'm scrolling backwards right now to find it. It's somewhere
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maybe anyway. I think it was basically, Perry Leano is a good person.
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Unlike Tom, I can't find the comment. It's fine, we know
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what you mean, Jordan, we know what you mean. You just know.
55:34
I mean, things don't need to be said, they're just known.
55:38
As far as the what's next, Dex said, it's possible that maybe Perry
55:43
had to go to make room for a second defensive line coach there. Yeah,
55:46
I mean, it's possible. Jason Miller says talking about Matt Gary Aary
55:52
said he's an Oles guy that got let go of Indiana. Needed to hire
55:54
him before he went somewhere else. Probably coach safeties and special teams, so
55:58
Jane can be lornit as can be a linebacker coach full time. I think
56:02
I do buy into the idea that the special teams coach may be a safety's
56:08
end, or it's Keenan Bailey is coaching tight ends and special teams, you
56:15
know, something like that, where it's not a dedicated one of your ten
56:19
guys is just focused on special teams kind of position. You have sort of
56:23
multitasking a little bit. I think I would lean that way because if you
56:30
go through the top programs in the nation, it's not like they all have
56:35
dedicated special teams coaches, and when they have as of right now, five
56:39
assistants on the offensive side of the ball, plus a head coach who was
56:44
focused on the offensive side of the ball taking one of the other positions and
56:49
sticking it as a special team's only position and only having four coaches on the
56:53
defensive side of the ball. That has not made sense for a couple of
56:57
years now. And that's something of the people have talked about a lot,
56:59
is the sort of imbalance in the coaching staff. This feels like, you
57:05
know, this is an opportunity if you bring in a defensive guy and he
57:07
also coaches special teams, that's maybe an opportunity to sort of balance that staff
57:10
out a little bit. Yeah. Absolutely, And it's and let's not forget
57:16
when we're talking about the secondary, Parker Fleming also was an assistant coach to
57:22
the secondary, so they had three coaches in the secondary, which you know,
57:27
I'm not buying when I'm doing my head count of all right, we've
57:30
got X, Y and Z on offense and A, B and C on
57:32
defense. I mean, when you're head coach is offensive minded, you need
57:36
to sit there and if and probably be six to four defense over offense because
57:42
you're you're the eleventh coach and that's gonna you know, it's going to work
57:45
out better that way, So you know, I think we're gonna see more
57:50
balance. I think that's all very important. Certainly not going to be the
57:52
last coaching move that we are going to see. Somebody twenty minutes ago said,
57:58
are we going to see any more move tonight? Probably not. I
58:01
don't think that it's necessarily going to be a case of that. It's this
58:05
isn't the NFL, you know, bloody Monday type of situation of where everybody
58:08
gets cut like on the same day. I think things are going to come
58:13
out in their own time. I think that the backdrop of the AFCA convention
58:16
is important, which really for Division I coaches is over at the end of
58:21
day tomorrow. I mean, like it goes through the tenth which is Wednesday.
58:27
A lot of that's D two, D three type of stuff, but
58:29
it's still a lot of glad handing, handing out cards, everything else,
58:31
trying to make connections. I think we probably see another move by the end
58:36
of this week. I don't know if we see all the moves. In
58:38
terms of outgoing coaches. I think in some instances they probably like to make
58:44
sure that they have their situation and you know, we know what we're doing
58:46
coming in as well. And one other thing too is that there could be
58:51
a hot minute where they're sitting with some vacancies. Going through Ohio State.
58:53
HR is a nightmare and takes a lot of time, and they will make
58:57
announcements that they have agreed in principle for somebody and then it may take four
59:01
weeks for them to get, you know, get across the finish line just
59:05
because of HR issues at Ohio State. And they obviously are going to have
59:08
to bring in that offensive coordinator before that offensive coordinator can make the decisions on
59:13
which guys he wants to make to retain and if he wants to let some
59:16
folks go and bring in some new folks as well. So this is probably
59:20
going to be a little bit of a teared process, but we will we
59:22
will be here for all of it. But Jones says, I just clicked
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59:42
I do want to hit one quick comment here from Buckeye Chuck wasn't Downsmiths
59:45
because Combs of fire. That was AJ Harris cornerback who was a five star
59:51
cornerback who is you know, was all but take it to to Ohio State
59:54
with because of a close relationship with Kerry Combs, and Kerry Combs got let
59:57
go and went to Cincinnati. AJ Harris went to Georgia and then Aja Harris
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