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Paul Simon · Deprogrammed Music Podcast

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  It's Deprogram, the podcast where we try to get you into an
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  artist. That's right, we've done all the
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  work for you. All you have to do is press play
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  and listen. Oh boy, oh boy, have we got one
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  lined up for you today. First let me let me say this, I
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  am banned curious, sometimes artist curious.
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  And the whole point of this podcast is to make a top 10
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  starter kit list for you to listen to for these artists that
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  my friends love and they want to get me into it.
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  So let me be your conduit, as it as it were.
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  But today it's me and Fredo, we going down the schoolyard.
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  I I'm starting, I'm going to start with you, Randy, because
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  technically I think Brian's the one who brought wait.
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  Wait, wait, wait, time out time out time.
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  Sure you can't slip that one in there about and just kind of
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  over overlook it. I'm sorry, Randy, but I'm that
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  no stop. You know how I hate your jokes,
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  right? But that one was perfect.
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  That's right. And you don't even let that, and
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  you don't even let that one sit for a second.
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  You just fucking. I got a motor.
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  Through right? No, No.
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  That's the best part about it. No blood blow through it so the
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  audience is like. He never blows through it when
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  when I'm on here. He he, he he and he knows I hate
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  him. But here's a good one.
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  I wasn't expecting and and you didn't know.
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  No, no. I.
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  Can't let it breathe we're. Going to let that one, We're
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  going to let it marinate a second.
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  We got. We got.
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  But you know what? If if the audience doesn't like
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  it, there's fifty ways to unsubscribe from a podcast.
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  That's why I like that step. Hello.
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  And we're back. You know what?
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  We're back. Oh.
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  Oh, you know what? Paul Simon's already worth it.
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  It's already worth it, Yes. So.
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  Technically, I think Brian brought Paul Simon up in the
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  chat and you're on board like immediately, Randy.
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  So we're going to we're going to scoot over to you talk to me
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  about Paul Simon and what what makes him like our why we're
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  talking about him today. What what made you on board for
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  for Paul Simon? Well, I think first of all, I
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  much I would rather do Paul Simon than Simon and Garfunkel.
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  No disrespect to Art Garfunkel at all, but I think that that
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  music just sort of kind of stays in its era.
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  And like I didn't want to have to listen to the sound of
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  Silence of 100 times and all that.
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  Like some of those songs feel just a little stale to me and
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  even not the whole catalog. But I'm glad that we did his
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  solo work because it's really his solo work where he was able
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  to expand and become like a brilliant artist.
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  He had brilliance when he was with Art Garfunkel.
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  He did, but it felt like, I don't know, was something being
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  held back with him? I don't know.
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  But he was able to branch out and do things successfully once
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  he started to do stuff as a solo artist.
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  And, you know, Paul Simon is one of these artists where he's in
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  the driver's seat and everything that goes in that studio is
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  going to go through him and he's going to make all the decisions.
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  And, you know, just like a guy like Billy Joel or, or any of
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  these other artists, Paul McCartney that that do the same
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  thing, like they're, they know what they want.
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  Brian Wilson's a really good example of this.
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  And I have some comparisons to Brian Wilson as we kind of talk
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  about this. But, you know, look, personally,
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  I grew up listening to him. This is a dad band for me,
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  having his records on when I was a kid just means that this, a
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  lot of this listening was nostalgic to me.
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  And that was pretty important. And I think I've gotten a lot of
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  nostalgic kicks from a lot of the episodes of Deprogram that
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  I've done. So it it fits in within that
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  category for sure. But when doing the listen, I
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  think something that I just didn't realize in the whole
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  grand scheme of music is that we have one of the greatest albums
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  ever put together in the Paul Simon discography, and that's
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  Graceland, that album. And it is it is considered one
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  of the finest albums of a generation, for sure.
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  But it doesn't get talked about in the same ways that like Pet
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  Sounds gets talked about where if you mentioned Pet Sounds,
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  people are like, like Pet Sounds.
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  It's untouchable. It doesn't have that scene.
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  But the production is so close to what Brian Wilson did to
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  that. And that's a masterpiece in and
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  of itself, of course. But that's how I see Graceland.
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  It is an absolute masterpiece. And you know, I guess a little
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  bit of background on that. He went down to South Africa in
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  a time of apartheid and the people of South Africa were not
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  happy that he was there creating music and they thought he was
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  sent by the US government, which he was not.
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  And what happened was he ended up playing with a bunch of
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  African St. Musicians and created this sound
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  that, you know, took what he normally did, very acoustic and
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  very easygoing easy listening music and put these African
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  rhythms behind it and use different instrumentation to
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  make it full use back backing vocals from the African inspired
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  tribes that just unlike anything you heard in pop music at the
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  time. And really you don't get to see
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  a lot of artists branch out and do something.
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  And I don't want to call this experimental, but it is in a way
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  experimental to go and do this. And I think, you know, a lot of
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  people, if they're paying attention to it on this level,
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  they're listening to and you're like, you know what?
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  I never even thought about African music being like a part
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  of pop culture and being a part of our culture and understand
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  that, you know, it has rhythm, it has melody, it has harmony.
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  Like it's just something you don't think about because it's
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  not popularized. It's not put together like we
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  care about American pop, rock music and and this day and age,
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  it's basically, you know, anything from from pop to
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  whatever's popular. I'm going to sound like the old
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  man on that. But I think it opened up a lot
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  of eyes and I think it really, you know, Graceland was a
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  record. There's a lot of artists that
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  you can say that was that they have like a late career record
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  that absolutely skyrocketed them back to where they were.
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  And that was that for him. And I think a lot of what I came
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  out of this listen was just being in love with that record
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  again and learning so much more about what he did on that.
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  And I, I just wanted to give it its flowers because it really
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  opened up my eyes because I, I, you know, I'd listened to it
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  thousands of times in my life, but I never listened to it under
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  the microscope of listening to the beats and listening to the
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  backing vocals and seeing how everything is mixed all
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  together. It's really genius work.
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  So I, I just wanted to put that out there.
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  But I mean, you know, the guy is a musical genius and he has an
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  amazing catalog as it is. And, you know, I think we're
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  going to get to a pretty good list here.
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  You can't really go through his songs and not have something,
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  you know, special out of that. So.
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  That's true. I, you know, I I did want to
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  point out before moving over to Alfredo that Graceland I got a
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  lot of answers of Graceland when I asked the Internet, you know,
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  what's up and and they all said no, the whole album of
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  Graceland. So, I mean, you know, there's
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  it's it's definitely getting flowers, whether it's enough.
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  That's, you know, a whole different conversation.
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  Fredo, when Paul Simon comes up in the chat, like, where's your
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  head at? Like, is this an immediate oh
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  fuck yeah. Or or or you know, how do you
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  come around to this it? Will I?
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  I want to talk about Graceland first, but not the same token.
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  I know that if I get out to that conversation, I'm not going to
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  be able to answer your question. I'm going to answer your
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  question first. Paul Simon is never a fuck.
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  Yeah. Iron Maiden's a fuck.
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  Yeah. Black Sabbath's is a fuck.
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  Yeah. Pink Floyd's a fuck.
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  Yeah. Paul Simon isn't a fuck.
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  Yeah. Paul Simon is a yeah.
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  Yeah. You know what?
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  Yeah. You know, Paul Simon is.
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  Paul Simon is the intimate cookout.
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  It's the background music for the intimate cookout.
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  We're not. We're not cracking a keg.
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  We don't have the the whole family over.
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  We got 3 or 4 good friends and and and and and we might be
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  sipping on on on some wine and there's a nice fire going
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  outside and we're relaxing. That's Paul Simon.
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  Yeah. Paul Simon, you just.
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  Described the Sobel Family party right there.
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  That's that's what my dad had put together.
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  But but that's but that's exactly what it is.
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  Paul Simon is is is the background or the soundtrack for
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  the intimate. And by intimate, I don't mean
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  sex a sexual. I mean the intimate 3 or 4 good
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  friends enjoying their company. There's some songs that are
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  going to make you bop your head and go yeah, and kind of sing
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  along. There's some songs that are
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  going to just make that, that you're just going to sit there
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  and, and the way I could describe it is I'm going to sit
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  there and I'm going to smoke a cigar and I'm going to be in
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  that moment, if that makes sense.
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  Yeah. Totally listening.
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  Yeah, so, so when you said Paul Simon, that's I was like, you
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  know, we've said other people and we got some other people
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  that are coming that I'm going to be on that.
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  I'm like, fuck yeah. But not when I I was like, yeah,
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  man, yeah, this is going to work.
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  Now, when you talk about Graceland Ready, you're 100%
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  correct. You're talking about an album
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  that is as iconic as Pet Sounds, as Dark Side of the Moon, as
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  Hotel California, as Sergeant Pepper.
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  This is an album that is on no less than 18.
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  Check that. No less than 15 top albums of
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  all time. And I say 15 rather than 18
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  because Rolling Stone has put out the top 500 albums of all
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  time three times in the 2000s and it has climbed up each time.
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  So. So this isn't a song.
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  This isn't an album that that we say is is great.
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  But now this isn't an album that it comes out and we go, Oh my
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  God, this album's great. We got, you know, this is, I'll
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  give you and I can give you an example of that Significant
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  other by Limp Bizkit when that album came out.
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  Oh my God, it's great. Creep, my own prison.
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  Oh my God. And of course, a lot of people
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  sit there. No, no it's not.
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  Shut up, shut up. I did not expect that out of a
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  Paul Simon episode. That's for.
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  Sure, but but what I'm saying is those albums, when they come
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  out, people are saying this is the greatest thing ever and this
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  is awesome. This is incredible.
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  They don't last the test of time.
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  Graceland came out at what, 8384?
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  Somewhere around that time, 86, OK, came on 86.
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  And now we're getting ready next year's 30th anniversary and
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  we're still and and it's still again, low key, just like Paul
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  Simon himself, right? It's still in the discussion,
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  it's still being talked about, it's still making lists.
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  And again, low key, just like, just like Paul Simon.
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  No one's going to say fuck yeah to Paul Simon, but they're going
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  to get, you know what? Yeah, yeah, Paul Simon.
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  And no one's going to say fuck yeah to Graceland.
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  But anybody who knows music is going to go yeah, yeah,
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  Graceland and Ant. Another thing real quick,
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  Graceland really represented to me and, and mind you, I was a
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  conscious adult. I was 20 years old when
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  Graceland came out. So I could say that I was, I was
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  very aware of music. What Graceland did was big bring
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  to the forefront what's called world music and, and, and it
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  brought world beats and it opened up in the United.
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  The only people why, even to this day who I could tell you
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  are world music artists are Peter Gabriel and Mickey Hart,
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  one of the drummers of the Grateful Dead.
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  They're world music artists. I can't tell.
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  I don't listen to world music music.
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  But what made me aware of world music was this album, and that
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  was back in 86, because it was so, it was so innovative.
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  There literally, literally was nothing like Graceland when it
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  came out. And I can honestly say I don't
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  think there's been anything like it since.
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  Interesting. That's how important this album
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  is, that's how good this album is, and this should be an album
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  playing anytime you're getting together with a group of
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  friends, hanging out by a fire, just relaxing.
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  I love that. Like I want to, I want to stay
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  on that relaxing theme here for a second because that's exactly
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  what this was like. You know, Paul Simon's
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  introduced to me with a, you know what else?
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  But you can call me out like that.
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  You, you know, I see that video. I love Chevy Chase.
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  I'm I'm enthralled by this video.
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  I love the the the horns and I'm like, what is this?
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  This is cool. I'm into this.
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  I mean, you know, we're talking about 86.
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  I'm six years old. So, you know, I'm not throwing
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  out F bombs or nothing, but, you know, like I was, I was just
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  acutely aware of it. And you know, like that song has
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  been been with me, you know, the rest of my life, you know, to to
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  this point. Me too.
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  You know, and and we'll get it. We'll get into that, you know,
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  as as we, you know, do the actual song section of this.
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  But like it's interesting when I push play on on the playlist,
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  relaxing is the exact exact word I would use.
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  Like I was just relaxed. I was just enjoying myself, just
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  listening to this. You know, Randy kept bringing up
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  the word genius. Like this guy is, you know,
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  there is something really resonated with when you're
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  talking about like something about Simon and Garfunkel felt
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  like, I don't know, I don't know the full story, but like I feel
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  like I recall something about art thinking like his shit don't
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  stink. I don't know if that's the the
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  whole whole deal, but like when Simon breaks out, suddenly it's
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  like this whole new world of stuff built on top of you know,
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  that that folk and it's like it's just relaxing.
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  It's just nice. You know, it's just I think
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  that's the word I want to lead here.
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  Like, you know, you a lot of a lot of the themes with, you
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  know, you and I Fredo that we get super jazzed about it.
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  We we come back to the word fun. You know, relaxing is going to
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  be a recurring theme here, but nice.
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  I think is is something I want to come back to a lot because,
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  yeah, a lot of these songs are just nice, man.
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  It's just like, I really loved this and have such a greater
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  respect considering, you know, like, considering I didn't know
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  much, you know, like, except for, you know, oh, man.
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  You know, he's good friends with Lorne Michaels and he's done
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  Saturday Night Live like a million times, you know, like.
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  Yeah, he's got, he's got the five, he's got the five.
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  Host Jacket. Yeah, You know, so it's like
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  there's things like that that I knew, but like I never kind of
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  like he was never pay no mind, which is why I thought it was
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  interesting that you said, yeah, Paul Simon is because that's how
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  I kind of felt about it. I was like, yeah, Paul Simon.
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  It's kind of it's kind of time that I kind of did this dive so.
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  You know what that that is the best thing that you could have
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  said. It's kind of time, Yeah.
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  And I did this dive. I mean, you've been around for 7
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  1/2 years and eight years almost.
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  And yeah, it's kind of time. It's like, and you get, you're
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  right. He's not a pay no mind guy.
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  It's not like, yeah, never. But it's like, you know, it's
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  like if you're, if you're picking a team and there's still
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  a bunch of people there and, and, and and the and and and The
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  Beatles and and Elvis and all of those guys have already been
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  picked. And you look to see who's left
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  to be picked. You're like Paul Simon.
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  How the fuck do we not pick Paul Simon?
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  Yeah, let's get him on the team already.
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  Yeah, right. Yeah.
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  Does that make sense? Yeah, totally, totally.
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  Yeah. I think I want to revisit that
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  in after the fact too, since we got to kind of keep it brief.
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  So a dollar a month. patreon.com/show.
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  Hi, Justin, get in the club. Well, let's talk about I think
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  it we ended up with like 76 songs with, with Fredo's, like
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  last minute, you know, song edition rainy.
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  Like as you're going through this.
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  When when we met up in Baltimore a couple weeks ago, you kind of
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  were talking about like how you frame, you know, how you how you
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  did this. Let's talk about what you're
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  looking for as you're as you're coming through with your 20.
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  I think a lot of that was based off of the inspiration from
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  Graceland and trying to look for his songs where he was able to
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  present his innovation, like Fredo was saying.
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  And I was looking for things that, you know, the the good
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  folky acoustic stuff. The good pop stuff is there, of
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  course, but like, there are some things that you would think
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  every Paul Simon person would have on their list that I didn't
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  want to put on. Not because I don't like the
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  songs, but because I wanted to get as many different kind of
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  influences into my list as possible.
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  I I sacrificed. Some very popular songs in order
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  to do that. And you know, I, I feel a little
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  bit more comfortable that we're 3 instead of four doing that
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  now. I, I feel like if we were 4I, I
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  would have been outmatched a little bit and it would have
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  felt a little off. So I feel a little bit more
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  comfortable on it now. But, you know, there are things
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  you know, less we mentioned when we talk about Graceland, but the
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  next record he put out, Rhythm of the Saints, was all about
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  Brazilian music. And it didn't have the same
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  warmth that Graceland did. But it's still very, very good.
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  And it's still showcasing a certain part of world music that
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  we were kind of unaccustomed to. So I want to get a couple
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  examples of that. There's some songs that have a
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  little gospel in it. There's some songs that have
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  terrific backing vocals. And I wanted to get a little bit
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  of everything. So it wasn't like, OK, let's
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  take the best songs that everybody knows, even though
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  they do deserve to be on the list.
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  I probably probably will be in the top 10, even though I'm not
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  going to have them and I'm not going to argue with them.
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  They're they're great songs. But I wanted to get as much
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  diversity into my list as possible.
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  That was my goal. Is this one you did with
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  Quickness Fredo, or is or did this one take some thought?
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  No, this one was pretty quick 16 songs right off the bat.
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  Now I I grew up with Paul Simon real time.
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  I was I was six years old, 72 when he released his first
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  album. So a lot of his radio hits were
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  my background. But here's the thing, and this
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  goes back to the what I'm what I'm I've been kind of saying is
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  he's, he's always been there. My punk face.
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  He was there. My metal face.
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  He was there early on and in, in, in, in, you know, the, the,
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  the rebellion of, of the early 70s or, or the pop gum of the
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  early 70s or the hair band of the 80s or whatever.
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  He was there. It was there.
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  And it was always like, oh shit. Yeah.
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  Paul Simon and, and there was a comfort to that.
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  And so I, I address, I, I, I, I pushed my list that way.
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  And, and, and the world music is great, but I don't want to go
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  too deep. I want to give you a, a top ten
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  list of why. And this is my goal, hopefully,
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  of, of why you should listen to Paul Simon, why he has always
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  been there, because that is the reason that all of us did a deep
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  dive. And, and, and make no mistake
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  about it, Paul Simon was a deep dive for all of us.
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  We might have, we might have liked one album, we might have
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  liked the, the singles, but there's nobody, none of us.
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  And I won't speak for Brian, who should have been here, but none
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  of us or have have Paul Simon as a top ten artist.
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  None of us don't give a shit what any what any of us say.
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  All Simon was the guy that we looked down when we're making
• 23:32
  our team like, oh shit, no one's picked him.
• 23:34
  Let's get him. And the reason he's that is
• 23:37
  because from from 72 till 90, he was consistent, put out
• 23:50
  something just just with enough frequency, you go, oh shit, Paul
• 23:54
  Simon, it's great. And that's exactly why I think
• 23:57
  this top ten should be, well, my top 20 let me not focus on top.
• 24:03
  My top 20 was songs like that because that's what will make
• 24:10
  you do the deep dive. So I don't again, it was a nice
• 24:19
  listen. This was a nice listen.
• 24:24
  I was shocked at how many non negotiables I had coming
• 24:27
  through. Like that is a rarity for me at
• 24:30
  this point in the game. I was like, oh, well, fuck,
• 24:35
  yeah, I have to have that song. Oh yeah.
• 24:38
  Well, fuck yeah, I have to have that.
• 24:40
  Oh, fuck yeah, I have to have that song.
• 24:43
  That's that's a treat for me. Like, you know, when almost half
• 24:49
  of my list is done before I even, you know, really start
• 24:52
  taking on any of like the the deeper cuts and then, you know,
• 24:59
  as I'm as I'm coming through, like, well, you know what,
• 25:03
  again, every song is nice. Like what are the cuts?
• 25:07
  I don't know. And I didn't I didn't sweat it,
• 25:11
  but I did and and I didn't stress it.
• 25:13
  So like easy isn't the word, but I I tried to balance like album
• 25:21
  representation in there. It's it's I'm coming back to
• 25:27
  this word again. It was nice.
• 25:28
  It was just a nice listen and this list was nice.
• 25:32
  I tried not I tried to keep it there.
• 25:35
  I just wanted to feel nice as I was putting putting my 20
• 25:38
  together. That said, I know it's not like
• 25:41
  a ton of songs and as Randy alluded to, there's only three
• 25:45
  of us. There were supposed to be 4, so
• 25:46
  that kind of changes the math a little bit.
• 25:50
  Based on everything we've said so far, Randy, how many do you
• 25:52
  think we get through unanimously?
• 25:55
  Well, there are two songs that would be considered to be
• 26:00
  unanimous that I don't have. And you know, again, I'm just
• 26:05
  throwing that out there. Don't dislike the.
• 26:07
  Song, You're always that guy. You're always that guy, Randy.
• 26:10
  But I, I should, I told, I told you why I, I told you why I so
• 26:17
  like, I'm looking at these. I'm like, yeah, that that should
• 26:20
  be unanimous. That should be unanimous.
• 26:23
  I'm like in between either four or five.
• 26:26
  I'll do 5, I'll do 5. OK, it feels like we could
• 26:30
  stumble onto 5. What do you think, Freda?
• 26:35
  I don't like I don't I, I don't like that attitude.
• 26:38
  I don't like you saying we could stumble onto 5.
• 26:42
  Well, I don't like that. I mean, all because to me, well,
• 26:46
  here's the thing to me and Paul Simon is a great example of
• 26:51
  you've got to give them the best and not sacrifice for that odd
• 26:57
  song that because that odd song is not going to make the list.
• 27:04
  You want to bring it to the discussion.
• 27:07
  The song that that that I added to the list, I added for the
• 27:12
  discussion. I don't expect it to make the
• 27:14
  song to make the list, but I didn't sacrifice anything to add
• 27:19
  it to the discussion. Because again, this is this is
• 27:23
  the artist that you want to do this list.
• 27:30
  I can guarantee you if we do this list right, there is nobody
• 27:35
  who will listen to this list and reject a song out of it.
• 27:40
  But if people are open minded, they will listen to this list
• 27:44
  and dig deeper. And that's why it it and I do
• 27:49
  this to all of them. But but this is the best example
• 27:52
  of there's no need to give you the 7th song off of 50 way off
• 28:00
  of there goes rhyme and Simon. No, no, no need to do that
• 28:07
  because that because here's the other thing about Paul Simon.
• 28:11
  Paul Simon is the only artist I know who can sing a song and not
• 28:17
  have any words rhyme and still make it good.
• 28:23
  Yeah, I just want to point out, I want to point out before you
• 28:27
  answer though, I reacted the way I did only because the way Randy
• 28:32
  framed the five so. But yeah, no, I, I And of course
• 28:41
  now that him saying that, that changes my answer, right?
• 28:46
  Because I was going to go 7. Yeah, and.
• 28:49
  And and now I I'll go 6. But even that I'm not sure of I
• 28:56
  think 5 based on him saying that it would probably be the right
• 29:01
  answer. But this is definitely an artist
• 29:05
  where we were those songs that we believe should be on the list
• 29:15
  should not be sacrificed for some deep cut that only means
• 29:19
  something to us or to bet. I, I, I very rarely.
• 29:24
  Well, I never. I've never sacrificed a song
• 29:28
  that I thought should be on there for a song that meant
• 29:33
  something to me and I wanted it to get a mention.
• 29:36
  Yeah. I always made sure that, you
• 29:40
  know, in this case there was, I said 7, right?
• 29:44
  Those seven songs I believe should be on there.
• 29:46
  I have 7 songs that I believe should be on there.
• 29:51
  I hear, you know, and, and, and, and that's, that's something I'm
• 29:55
  kind of, you know, and, and, and Randy, I'm not picking on you
• 29:57
  because everybody does it, Peter does it, and I know when, when
• 30:02
  Bob was on here, he did it. I, I, that's just something.
• 30:07
  At the end of the day, we're trying to turn people on to an
• 30:11
  artist and those songs on that list.
• 30:17
  If they end up being a personal song, that's great.
• 30:20
  But if there's a song that should be on that list, and one
• 30:23
  of us sacrificed it from R20 for a song that means something to
• 30:28
  us personally, we're doing a disservice to the audience.
• 30:34
  Well, I'll, I'll, I'll make my statement me when when I pose a
• 30:40
  song that might be considered as one.
• 30:42
  I'll I'll put a specific reasoning as to why It wasn't
• 30:47
  personal. It was trust me, it was from a
• 30:51
  musical perspective of what I wanted people to hear out of
• 30:55
  him. And that's two different takes
• 30:57
  is totally fine. That's why we have this episode.
• 30:59
  It's going to be for good conversation.
• 31:01
  I'm excited for it. I also would like to point out
• 31:04
  at this point, like there's a great way to put this out there.
• 31:08
  I, I encourage anybody to collect the songs as we go, Like
• 31:13
  even the ones that go in the bin, just collect them so you
• 31:15
  can, so you can listen to them. That said, I'm taking your, your
• 31:19
  7, Fredo. I honestly feel like, you know,
• 31:23
  given what Randy said, you know, takes a couple way, I feel like
• 31:29
  there's actually more that we can hit on that might we might
• 31:34
  just kind of like accidentally like go.
• 31:36
  Oh yeah. Well, you know, again, I'm not
• 31:38
  sure which ones are the are the hits.
• 31:40
  So I don't you know, the hits. I know some of the other ones I
• 31:45
  may not know and may have just kind of grabbed them because
• 31:48
  they were good. So we'll see 567 right up the
• 31:52
  middle. We'll we'll see if one of us
• 31:54
  gets it. We're going to take a quick
• 31:56
  pause and when we come back, it's time to play the game.
• 31:59
  As Triple H1 said, we'll be right back.
• 32:08
  And with that, the name of the game is deprogrammed.
• 32:11
  The three of us have come through a selection of the Paul
• 32:13
  Simon discography and plucked out 20 songs that we are now
• 32:16
  going to mash together in an attempt to create a top ten
• 32:18
  circuit for you. In case you have never listened
• 32:22
  to Paul Simon, there's nowhere else I can go.
• 32:24
  I've already alluded to this. I already brought the song up.
• 32:26
  I've already mentioned how much it meant to me throughout the
• 32:30
  entirety of my life. I remember in sophomore year of
• 32:36
  high school, me and my friend Talbert learning how to play it
• 32:38
  on the trumpet and being like just super duper excited.
• 32:43
  You can call me out. You got one of the two.
• 32:51
  I had a feeling when when you were saying that, but like even
• 32:55
  more so like I got a the the bass line is one of the sickest
• 33:00
  bass lines, period. End of the great statement.
• 33:04
  It's one of the coolest baselines ever.
• 33:10
  The reason why I didn't take it is because I took a lot from
• 33:14
  Graceland. I'm very heavy Graceland
• 33:16
  representative. I don't know if you can tell by
• 33:18
  the early portion of this episode, but while musically it
• 33:24
  has the African feel to it, I felt like almost like because
• 33:31
  this song was the most popular song off that record that people
• 33:36
  didn't see. They they saw Chevy Chase, they
• 33:39
  saw the video, they saw kind of the quirkiness of the song.
• 33:43
  It didn't connect what the album's theme was within the
• 33:49
  song. And, and that's not a bad thing
• 33:52
  at all because that's, you know, people are going to attach what
• 33:55
  they want to attach themselves to.
• 33:58
  But I, I just kind of thought that, you know, with the theme
• 34:03
  of that record and, and me being so just inspired by what he put
• 34:10
  together. I, I don't know, it felt to me
• 34:14
  is that it just kind of didn't quite hit that mark.
• 34:20
  A great song. I'm not going to trash the song
• 34:23
  at all, but I, I, I wanted to get the themes from that album.
• 34:32
  Yeah. Look, I hate the song.
• 34:35
  Yeah. I said I, I I well dude, come on
• 34:38
  last 30 years. Oh, I call you Al.
• 34:41
  That's the. Thing, it's just become a joke,
• 34:44
  you know? Well, yeah, but yeah, but, but
• 34:47
  for me, I, but I, I also put it on my list because I think it's
• 34:51
  an essential song. I think it's part of when I,
• 34:55
  when I, when I talked about Paul Simon always being there, that
• 35:03
  is a great example of him always being there. 86 metal, hip hop,
• 35:12
  Prince, Michael Jackson, Madonna, all of this stuff
• 35:16
  that's in your face. And here's fucking Paul Simon
• 35:21
  popping his head out. What?
• 35:23
  You can call me out. And, and, and I would say that
• 35:28
  song brought more people to Graceland because of the fact
• 35:32
  that people like me who've been listening to Paul Simon for 20,
• 35:37
  yeah, you know, 20 years or whatever the hell it was at that
• 35:39
  .15 years, 18 years, like, oh shit.
• 35:42
  Paul Simon. Yeah.
• 35:44
  You know what? This is a good song.
• 35:45
  Let me let me pick up the album. Back when people picked up
• 35:48
  albums, you know, if if if you release Graceland today, you can
• 35:55
  call me out becomes a hit, but the album might be forgotten
• 35:58
  because people go and stream or or or buy the MP3 for You can
• 36:02
  call me out and forget the album.
• 36:03
  Back then you could buy the 45, you know, which was a single,
• 36:08
  but you but people would go and buy the album.
• 36:11
  I bought. I bought the album because we
• 36:13
  you can call me out. I was blown away because the
• 36:16
  first side one and and By the Way You Can Call Me Out is the
• 36:19
  first song on side two. Side 1 would be an album that I
• 36:25
  would put on my perfect side album.
• 36:29
  Sure. Side 1 is a is a completely
• 36:33
  perfect side to an album and You Can Call Me Al was not on side
• 36:41
  one and had I not bought you, had I not heard You Can Call Me
• 36:46
  Al, it never would have gave Graceland a chance.
• 36:52
  I want to say this one. That's why I put it on.
• 36:54
  I want to say this one last thing before before we move on
• 36:56
  to on to it, because we're we're spending a lot of time on a 2.
• 37:02
  I always, I, I always loved how the video is kind of to what
• 37:10
  Randy was saying. It's Chevy kind of being coming
• 37:14
  out here being, you know, the star or whatever.
• 37:16
  But it's Paul. Yeah, but Paul's doing all the
• 37:20
  work. Like Paul's playing all the
• 37:23
  instruments. It's, it's Paul's doing
• 37:24
  everything. And Chevy Chase is just being,
• 37:28
  you know, a face just pretending like he's singing.
• 37:33
  And I, I just always thought that was, that was neat, Paul
• 37:35
  doing all the work. And I don't know, I just thought
• 37:39
  that was possibly making a statement that I wasn't, you
• 37:44
  know, quite Privy to, you know, especially at the time.
• 37:47
  So all right, call me Owl. It's a 2.
• 37:53
  Where you want to go, Randy? Boy, doubt, doubt for my list is
• 37:59
  going to sink in. And I I don't like doing that,
• 38:04
  but I'm like, really wanting to change that other one because I
• 38:08
  feel real bad not taking it. And it was real hard to leave
• 38:13
  off. But I won't play it here.
• 38:16
  I don't know if that's allowed or not.
• 38:18
  I mean, I didn't play it it it didn't come up.
• 38:21
  But yeah, I don't know. You can get on me when whenever
• 38:25
  I get up, the first song I'd like to play is a song that at
• 38:30
  some point in my life hit me in all the feels, I suppose.
• 38:36
  And I don't know what kind of moment I heard it and felt like
• 38:42
  a special attachment to it. It could have been very, very
• 38:45
  early as a child. It could have been somewhere in
• 38:48
  my teens. I'm I'm not sure.
• 38:50
  But the song is very emotional for me.
• 38:53
  And I think it's just the way that the song is produced is
• 38:58
  meant to be very emotional. It has maybe one of the best
• 39:01
  saxophone parts of any song that's ever been created, and
• 39:07
  it's it's essential. Paul Simon I have to put as my
• 39:11
  first pick. Still crazy after all these
• 39:13
  years, Yes. Knew you were going to say it,
• 39:15
  damn it. And that was my pick.
• 39:20
  I mean that I at 58, having lived the life that I have and
• 39:29
  and I don't know how much you know about it, Randy, but but
• 39:32
  Justin knows quite a bit, especially having I had my own
• 39:35
  personality, but especially having had him being there for
• 39:40
  my on air personality and some of the shit that we did.
• 39:43
  And I'm on the back nine of my life, as I like to call it in,
• 39:52
  in golf terms, you know, I'm not young and spry.
• 39:58
  I don't sit there and try to. Chunk a bottle of Jack anymore
• 40:05
  or go out and bungee jump off a fucking three story building
• 40:11
  with a with A5 story. You know, Lash or whatever.
• 40:17
  Dude I I never did that when I was in my prime so.
• 40:22
  But I but I was always willing to, you know, whatever I didn't
• 40:25
  do that was outrageous was because the opportunity didn't
• 40:28
  present itself. I was always willing to do all
• 40:32
  of that. And now at my point, I like to
• 40:37
  still think that I, you know, I got a surprise up and down my
• 40:40
  sleeve. But you know, more than likely
• 40:43
  if you say, hey, let's go bungee jump, I'll be like, yeah, no,
• 40:48
  you go, you go do it. But yeah, I, I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm
• 40:53
  saying all that now because that was everything I wanted to say
• 40:55
  while I picked it. But but Randy picked it so.
• 41:00
  Well, I mean, you know it, when this song came across me, it was
• 41:05
  a non negotiable for me. I and I guess maybe I just never
• 41:10
  clocked, you know, it's it's kind of like one of the Oh yeah,
• 41:13
  Paul Simon songs. And when it came up to Randy's
• 41:18
  point, just emotional. I was like, oh man, this is I
• 41:22
  love this. And you know, I was kind of
• 41:25
  worried that maybe the other people wouldn't view it as as
• 41:29
  such. But it's, it's funny, like kind
• 41:33
  of to your point, Fredo, it did make me think about those Mike
• 41:38
  and Bob years, about all those ridiculous things that we used
• 41:43
  to do. Fight, fight, fighting the the,
• 41:46
  the British Navy, the Royal British Navy.
• 41:48
  But you know, but, but that's, that's the whole thing that are
• 41:52
  you going to do that now? No, you, you'll do something
• 41:55
  that's crazy for, you know, a 48 year old or whatever 47 year
• 41:58
  old, whatever the hell you are, But you know, it's you'll do
• 42:04
  something that'll still surprise people, make people go whoa, we
• 42:07
  still, you know, the days of that being the regular are gone.
• 42:13
  You know, and I, I see it in you.
• 42:16
  I know you've seen it in me. You know what this close to 30
• 42:20
  year, 25 year friendship. That we have crazy, right?
• 42:24
  You know, yeah, it is crazy. After all these years?
• 42:28
  Yeah, exactly. Beautiful.
• 42:31
  All right. I mean, that's a perfect,
• 42:33
  perfect one to land our fierce unanimous on where you want to
• 42:37
  go, Fredo. I'm you know what?
• 42:40
  I'm going to take a song that I, I guarantee you, you want to
• 42:43
  say, and I'm going to take it because since Randy took mine
• 42:47
  now I'm feeling spiteful and, and, and, and you want to talk
• 42:52
  about horns, the horns on this song, Yes.
• 42:59
  And you could hear a hint. You can this, this song came out
• 43:04
  in the early 80s and you can start to hear a hint of world
• 43:07
  music in it with the rhythm with the horns.
• 43:13
  It was it was the the hit off of a movie that he was in.
• 43:18
  The movie and the soundtrack are both called 1 Trick Pony and the
• 43:22
  song is called Late in the Evening.
• 43:24
  Yes. No, get the fuck out of here,
• 43:29
  Randy. No, I haven't it.
• 43:31
  Was it was me that. Oh, oh, oh, oh, I thought, I
• 43:34
  thought you went, oh, you were like like that was the other
• 43:38
  one. I was about to.
• 43:40
  Fuck, I was a very prominent yes, yeah.
• 43:42
  OK, OK, good. I apologize.
• 43:44
  I missed that one. And for the record, we also have
• 43:47
  Bryant, we have Brian's list as well.
• 43:52
  This is this is another, you know, this is another episode
• 43:56
  where like a lot of these just don't have a reason.
• 43:58
  I, you know, I just, you know, maybe if I, I knew it was a hit,
• 44:02
  you know, maybe that would have given it some weight.
• 44:07
  I, I, I don't have a reason. I can't, I can't, I can't tell
• 44:09
  you, you know, one way or the other.
• 44:11
  Why, why I don't have it. I just don't.
• 44:13
  So unfortunately, let me test the waters here.
• 44:23
  How about Kodachrome? Of course.
• 44:27
  Yeah, of course. OK.
• 44:28
  All right. That, you know what?
• 44:31
  That's what you show your age in that.
• 44:34
  Yeah, that was a that was a big hit for him.
• 44:37
  OK, That song was all over the radio.
• 44:40
  I did not. Still play it on all these
• 44:42
  stations all the time. Yeah.
• 44:44
  Yeah, exactly. It shows that I don't really
• 44:47
  listen to that. I mean, I guess I'm not
• 44:51
  surprised that we all had it because it was an answer that I
• 44:55
  got, but I just, I wasn't aware, you know?
• 44:59
  So, all right, boom, just like that too.
• 45:03
  Where you want to go, Randy? All right, I hope you guys
• 45:09
  aren't mad at me for making an on the fly change as the episode
• 45:14
  goes on. But I I felt some guilt and
• 45:17
  yeah, that could put Justin in a better position for, you know,
• 45:22
  taking the number one or or whatever and maybe put me in a
• 45:25
  worse cuz I have the least, I have the lowest number of all of
• 45:29
  them. But I didn't originally have
• 45:31
  this song and I guess I had no reason why except for I was
• 45:37
  trying to fit other stuff in and it was a stupid odd man out.
• 45:42
  So me and Julio down by the schoolyard, Yeah.
• 45:47
  Wow. Yeah, wow.
• 45:50
  See, you know what? Wow.
• 45:53
  First of all, nobody would have known.
• 45:55
  Nobody sees your list, you know? Yeah.
• 45:57
  But I said I had, I had two songs that were very prominent
• 46:01
  that I didn't take and you guys probably would have been like,
• 46:03
  Oh well, what's the other one? I think I have all the rest of
• 46:05
  them so. I appreciate the honesty and the
• 46:08
  transparency for sure. I'm yeah, that.
• 46:12
  I mean again, that that song was all over the radio at the time.
• 46:18
  The whistle part alone makes it brings it to the discussion,
• 46:23
  yeah. Yeah, you know, this is one of
• 46:25
  my non negotiables, yeah. And that's why I made the.
• 46:31
  I made the change, yeah. You know what I mean?
• 46:33
  No, that was the right change. That was the right change.
• 46:37
  I get rid of something off of Rhythm of the Saints that I knew
• 46:40
  was not going to get past. So it is funny though, like this
• 46:43
  is a non negotiable that I didn't realize was a non
• 46:46
  negotiable. You know what I mean?
• 46:48
  I kind of thought I only knew the name like because I you know
• 46:51
  it, the name has been referenced God knows how many times.
• 46:55
  But like when I listen to I was like, oh, wait, no, I do know
• 46:58
  this song. And then when I came back
• 47:00
  around, I was like, Oh no, I do have to have this song.
• 47:03
  So yeah, All right, boom, just like that up to three.
• 47:08
  Where you want to go, Fredo? Well, we should be at 5.
• 47:11
  I'm just going to say that now I'm, I'm, I'm going to go off
• 47:20
  the reservation here, give you what I what I think should
• 47:26
  should be a deeper cut, not not deep deeper.
• 47:32
  It's a song I would love, I would love for it to even get
• 47:37
  to, but I doubt it will. And and mainly I doubt it
• 47:41
  because of the damn title of the damn song and Georgette Mccrete
• 47:46
  and their dog after the war of the.
• 47:48
  Heart. I gave that one a really good
• 47:50
  listen and I like that song, but I did not put it on my list.
• 47:54
  Yeah, I didn't I didn't bring it either.
• 47:57
  Has nothing to do with the title of the song, but it is funny
• 48:00
  that, you know, he was doing the thing that, you know, like Fall
• 48:04
  Out Boy and them did wait, you know, yeah, 2000s like writing a
• 48:08
  paragraph for the song title. Well, he got, he, he, he
• 48:12
  actually, and, and I, I've, I've seen Paul Simon recently, like
• 48:17
  when we decided to do this, what part of the reason I jumped on
• 48:19
  is because I saw him like 3 days before or, or in concert.
• 48:24
  And, and he said he got that title from a, a magazine
• 48:33
  article, that it was a, it might have been Vogue or I don't know.
• 48:42
  But he had, yeah, I can't remember the magazine, but he
• 48:44
  was sitting there drinking his coffee on a Sunday morning and
• 48:47
  he saw the title and he read the article and it was, and he found
• 48:55
  it fascinating. One of either Renee or Georgette
• 49:03
  is is like a, a famous person in the literary in the literary
• 49:09
  world. I don't know if they're short
• 49:10
  stories or whatever, but they were describing their lives
• 49:16
  after World War 2. And he and he just, he saw it
• 49:22
  and decided to make him to, you know, motivate him to to do the
• 49:25
  song, but he kept the title and and I think that title makes it
• 49:30
  difficult. I personally love his his
• 49:33
  reference. This is the 50s Duop.
• 49:37
  What duop bands? You know, when he talks about
• 49:40
  the the Penguins, the Moon Glows, the Orioles and the Five
• 49:43
  Satins, there's a part in in that song where he references
• 49:47
  them, which always gives me goosebumps.
• 49:52
  And it always makes me very, very, very nostalgic, even
• 49:55
  though obviously I wasn't around in the 50s.
• 49:57
  But as I've stated a billion times, Duop is my favorite music
• 50:01
  of all time. Yeah, and so just him mentioning
• 50:04
  that always kind of gives me shivers.
• 50:07
  So, and, and I, like I said, I know that's one of those songs
• 50:11
  where I I know it wasn't going to make it, but I just wanted to
• 50:15
  bring it up so that maybe the curious will go back and listen
• 50:18
  to it. I also wanted to point point out
• 50:20
  that that actually did come up when I asked.
• 50:23
  Somebody did really. Yeah, somebody.
• 50:25
  That's a popular song. Yeah.
• 50:27
  So. That makes me very happy, Yeah.
• 50:30
  I can't tell you how happy that makes me.
• 50:32
  I'm going to go with one that it feels like it could go either
• 50:38
  way, but I did get, I did get this answer a lot, so it makes
• 50:43
  me feel kind of good about having it.
• 50:45
  How about hearts and bones? I do have it.
• 50:50
  I don't. OK, we'll take that too.
• 50:51
  Though one of the reasons I feel better about it, not just
• 50:56
  because a lot of people answered it, but somebody said, I forget
• 51:00
  how they phrased it, but they recently came around to that
• 51:03
  song and it's really just meant a lot to them, which, you know,
• 51:07
  again, tells me tells me a lot about the, the bones of the
• 51:11
  song. Like there's something there.
• 51:14
  If you're a person who's been a fan of Paul Simon forever and
• 51:18
  you're just now kind of coming around to that song, it's the,
• 51:21
  you know, again, it, it speaks to the to the discography, like
• 51:26
  how deep it is. And I don't know, I just, I
• 51:29
  liked it, so we'll take the 2. You know what it speaks to me.
• 51:34
  It speaks to us maturing. Yeah, that too.
• 51:39
  As, as listeners, you know, me coming around to Dark Side of
• 51:44
  the Moon 1819 years after it was released, me listening to it my
• 51:50
  whole life because I got to a point where it's like, holy
• 51:52
  shit, you know, an album that I could give a fuck about 20-30
• 52:00
  years before now is is tied for my favorite album of all time.
• 52:04
  Yeah, you know. Crazy after all these years it
• 52:07
  is Randy where you want to go? I'm going to take the first song
• 52:16
  that from Graceland that I have. I was just, I don't know why.
• 52:21
  I guess I forgot that this opened the album and when I
• 52:26
  turned it on and I listened to Graceland a couple months before
• 52:30
  doing the list and I kind of just forgot that this song
• 52:34
  existed. And I loved listening to the
• 52:37
  lyrics on this because the lyrics are kind of explaining
• 52:42
  like the world changing and like, hey, this is these are
• 52:47
  different things that are happening right now, like the
• 52:49
  existence of technology that, you know, he mentions the long
• 52:53
  distance call. And to me, it's like this is how
• 52:56
  we can connect with each other now that, and that's a huge
• 53:00
  theme for that record, because he's talking about connections
• 53:06
  with, you know, musicians in Africa.
• 53:10
  And I, I think that's just such an interesting statement to put
• 53:14
  out there. We think of like long distance
• 53:16
  call. That's, that's nothing.
• 53:17
  That's, you know, you just call somebody now and you know,
• 53:21
  every, every time you call somebody, you need an area code.
• 53:23
  So it's, it's no big deal. But like it's kind of he's
• 53:27
  talking about innovation and innovation, while the things
• 53:31
  that are being innovative always change, there's always going to
• 53:35
  be innovation. And I I just thought that was
• 53:38
  such a cool theme because if you put that song together now
• 53:41
  you're not talking about, you know, slow MO video or anything
• 53:44
  like that. Talking about like whatever the
• 53:47
  new technology is with like, you know, Google classes or with
• 53:53
  whatever social media app is doing something different.
• 53:57
  AI sure like even just you know, it's kind of like in such a
• 54:02
  lesser extent, like the we didn't start the fire of a
• 54:06
  different subject matter. So boy in the bubbles, the song
• 54:10
  I can't. I.
• 54:12
  Can't, Yeah. Hey, all right.
• 54:14
  You got it, you know, but when we talk, you know, this is a
• 54:18
  great example and and I do have it.
• 54:20
  This is a great example of when I of the importance of you can
• 54:23
  call me out. I love that song.
• 54:28
  I absolutely love that song. And when I think of Faceland, as
• 54:32
  a matter of fact, when we said, you know, we're going to go
• 54:35
  through and and I always say I automatically there, there are
• 54:38
  songs that popped in my head. That one popped in my head.
• 54:41
  That one popped in my head before you can call me out.
• 54:46
  Such a great, great song with. But yeah, I hope it finds its
• 54:52
  way on the list. All right, Fredo.
• 55:07
  I'm going to go with a song that was a hit, wasn't on a it wasn't
• 55:12
  on any proper album. It was released on on its
• 55:16
  greatest hits. And when we added it, I figure
• 55:20
  who added it to the list it was. Me.
• 55:23
  It was you when I, when I saw you adding it, I was like, why
• 55:27
  are you adding it off the Essentials LP like this is this
• 55:31
  has got to be on an album. And as I looked through the
• 55:34
  albums, I couldn't find it. And then at that point I thought
• 55:39
  it was a spot. Well, at that point I thought it
• 55:41
  was a Spotify error, you know, because Spotify sometimes will
• 55:44
  take out a song out of an album or add extra songs.
• 55:48
  And I looked it up and it turns out it was off of off of his
• 55:51
  greatest hits album. How artists will will sometimes
• 55:55
  put out a greatest hits and will add one or two new tracks to
• 55:59
  make. Jane's last dance.
• 56:02
  Yeah, yeah, to make it interesting for for a, you know,
• 56:06
  somebody wants to buy why am I going to buy these oven songs
• 56:09
  that I already have on out? Oh, well, they added one or two
• 56:12
  new songs and and this song was one of them.
• 56:16
  Again, big, big hit, big emotional song now at my age and
• 56:23
  it was back then, but I loved it back then.
• 56:25
  Slip sliding away. Yeah.
• 56:27
  I got it. There you.
• 56:30
  Go and real quick, I just the Oak Ridge Boys are doing backing
• 56:36
  vocals on that song. That's cool.
• 56:40
  A little, yeah, just a little. No shit.
• 56:43
  This is this is the mid 70s and he's got the Oak Ridge voice.
• 56:48
  He he's had a lot of different people like out of nowhere doing
• 56:58
  backing vocals for him. Yep.
• 57:00
  And I'll bring up a couple more later on that I've got written
• 57:03
  down. Definitely.
• 57:05
  Absolutely. Was that 3?
• 57:07
  Yep. Awesome.
• 57:09
  Yep. Yep.
• 57:11
  All right, let me get it up here to the top.
• 57:16
  That gets us 4 all the way through.
• 57:20
  On the precipice of Fredo's 4. I guess I can try a Graceland.
• 57:29
  Another Graceland track, right? How about I might have it?
• 57:34
  How about the title track, Graceland?
• 57:37
  Of course. Yep, that's easy.
• 57:38
  Hey, just like that. Boom boom boom 6 figures boom
• 57:45
  boom. Not my. 5 But we're gonna
• 57:47
  There's definitely more. There's gotta be, right?
• 57:50
  I mean. Yes, yeah.
• 57:54
  I'll I'll play one right now that is absolutely should be
• 58:00
  unanimous. Oh God, I hate that.
• 58:03
  I know I'll put you on the spot. Fifty ways to leave your lover.
• 58:07
  Oh yeah, I got. Oh yes, Oh yes, who who who
• 58:11
  hasn't quoted that song well, or, or quoted that line.
• 58:15
  I mean unless I unless I did it on accident me.
• 58:21
  You, you, you've said something like, you know, get on the bus,
• 58:23
  Gus. Or it's something.
• 58:27
  Yeah, you had. It's a dad joke.
• 58:29
  The song is a dad joke. Yep, 100%.
• 58:35
  What's great about that, Like hearing something like that is
• 58:39
  like, I didn't even clock that. Like I just like the song, you
• 58:43
  know, this wasn't, you know, a non negotiable.
• 58:45
  This was just a song that I liked, so it makes me happy that
• 58:52
  there's like even more to it than just that.
• 58:55
  So boom. All right, let me mark off 50
• 58:59
  Ways and we will. What you tell me about the 50
• 59:05
  ways, that's a line in the song. But I would have guessed.
• 59:11
  Would you please explain about the 50 ways said we both just
• 59:16
  sleep on it the night not believe?
• 59:17
  You unclick the unsubscribe button.
• 59:22
  So just like that, I think I we're at 6123456 and we've got
• 59:28
  four in the conversation. So we're out of NTP, which is is
• 59:32
  good news and there's. Only Renee and Joe.
• 59:38
  Kitten. Yeah, Tons and tons and tons of
• 59:42
  stuff out there. Where you want to go, Fredo?
• 59:45
  We might this might be an unintentional. 10 See, that's
• 59:48
  what I meant. Is evil.
• 59:50
  See, even with the? Yeah, even with the 2.
• 59:58
  Do I go with a number? For that, switch it in, Julio.
• 1:00:04
  We have you to blame for it if it doesn't hit the 10.
• 1:00:07
  Fair. I was never going to take that
• 1:00:10
  song though. That's the problem.
• 1:00:11
  I I was really wanting to take Julio more than now.
• 1:00:15
  OK, you know, again, all this is fair.
• 1:00:20
  Let's go with I'm going to go with my my song that that I
• 1:00:27
  added late in the list. And again, this isn't a song I
• 1:00:31
  expect to to make it. This is a song that I believe
• 1:00:35
  should be should be mentioned off the essentials CPI mean the
• 1:00:45
  CD off of the Wild Thornberrys cartoon and they put out there
• 1:00:53
  the Wild Thornberrys and they put out there.
• 1:00:55
  If you know anything about that cartoon they put out, they made
• 1:00:59
  a movie, put out an album, and this song was on the album.
• 1:01:03
  And this song came out when when my daughter was still a baby.
• 1:01:13
  And anybody who has a who has a child, but especially a
• 1:01:19
  daughter, the one line in the song that hits him and I'm
• 1:01:27
  getting emotional, just think about it, is is the line to go
• 1:01:31
  sure as one and one is 2. There's never been a father who
• 1:01:35
  loves his daughter as much as I love you.
• 1:01:40
  It's a father, father and daughter.
• 1:01:43
  I got it. It's Father, whatever it is, I
• 1:01:45
  just. I don't, I don't have it, but I
• 1:01:48
  feel horrible now. Well, no, don't, Don't fear
• 1:01:51
  that. I didn't expect anybody to have
• 1:01:52
  it. That's just one of those songs I
• 1:01:54
  don't. And I have an emotional title,
• 1:01:57
  obviously. Now, you know, I'll, I'll tell
• 1:02:00
  you like normally when something gets, you know, added so late, I
• 1:02:06
  I always try to listen to it and I usually get a chance to listen
• 1:02:09
  to it, but I usually also don't want to do the work to find room
• 1:02:13
  on the list. But like, as I'm listening to
• 1:02:15
  it, I'm like, oh man, this is emotional.
• 1:02:18
  This is coming back to that word.
• 1:02:19
  Nice. This is, it's, it's beautiful.
• 1:02:23
  And I was like, well, surely Fredo's going to have it.
• 1:02:26
  I should you know, I, I'm having this feeling listening to it
• 1:02:31
  just today, like probably 20 minutes before we went on was
• 1:02:36
  like, alright, I need to, I need to make the room on the list.
• 1:02:39
  And I I went and made made room so it could be a 2.
• 1:02:42
  Yeah, it's. Yeah, especially after my wife
• 1:02:45
  and I got divorced and my daughter, you know, she took my
• 1:02:48
  daughter away. That song became even more
• 1:02:55
  emotional to me. Yeah.
• 1:02:57
  And yeah, I didn't think I was going to get this emotional
• 1:03:00
  mentioning it, but I'll get to being, I'll get back to be an
• 1:03:05
  asshole. Fredo here in a little bit.
• 1:03:09
  So all right, how about this might be the last
• 1:03:27
  one that has a chance for me. Maybe.
• 1:03:30
  How about loves me like a rock? Yes.
• 1:03:34
  Hey, all right. Fredo mentioned do a lot of it.
• 1:03:37
  That is a good Doo wop song for him, yeah.
• 1:03:41
  Yep. Boom boom boom.
• 1:03:43
  Let me find that real quick. Get a little tunage of it.
• 1:03:53
  And I was the presidential president and I had the
• 1:03:58
  presidential CEO said, Now who do?
• 1:04:04
  Who do you take your food in? That's what I said.
• 1:04:09
  Forget the presidential seal. Get that up to the top there
• 1:04:14
  where it belongs. And just like that, we're at my
• 1:04:16
  7:00. Damn I.
• 1:04:19
  Told you. There's still a little, there's
• 1:04:23
  still songs. I still got dinner, Yeah.
• 1:04:27
  All right, Randy. You know, the father and
• 1:04:34
  daughter, I mean, mentioning that like this song might not
• 1:04:38
  have the same kind of like direct emotion, but it's still
• 1:04:44
  kind of emotional. And, you know, just the song
• 1:04:48
  title and the lyrics a little bit kind of like, I don't know,
• 1:04:53
  it like this got me a little emotional thinking about it
• 1:04:57
  because I see my wife and my kid and their, you know, their
• 1:05:02
  connection with each other and how much they love each other
• 1:05:05
  and, you know, kind of a mother and child reunion, all in the
• 1:05:09
  emotion. That's a good song.
• 1:05:13
  Oh, yeah. Oh yeah. 100 that that that
• 1:05:18
  course was that's it. That I that I have anyway.
• 1:05:22
  I'd love to see what Brian had of these top ten so far to see
• 1:05:30
  like what we would have. Had what would be true?
• 1:05:32
  Unanimous, yeah. Yeah, because a lot of these I
• 1:05:35
  can see still being picked by all of us.
• 1:05:38
  Once we have the 10, I'll, I'll, we'll, we'll do the math portion
• 1:05:41
  of the show. Sure.
• 1:05:43
  Where we where we balance that out.
• 1:05:45
  So. It's insane there's only one
• 1:05:48
  Graceland song off this so far. Oh, there's two.
• 1:05:51
  There's no there's. 2 Graceland. Oh yeah, you're right.
• 1:05:55
  Because you have the boy, the bubble, right?
• 1:05:57
  Right. Right.
• 1:05:58
  Yeah, Boy in the bubble and owl on our end.
• 1:06:01
  All right, so that's Randy Fredo, you're up.
• 1:06:14
  Let's get something off Rhythm of the Saints.
• 1:06:15
  I don't think we've mentioned anything off of that.
• 1:06:18
  Let's go with them. The the obvious child, Yeah, but
• 1:06:21
  the obvious song, the obvious. Yeah, I got it.
• 1:06:26
  Oh wow. We might have to be taking songs
• 1:06:28
  out of here, yeah. I just want you to know that we
• 1:06:32
  would be at 10 right now if either one of you would have
• 1:06:35
  made the right choice. I I I'm not blaming you because,
• 1:06:41
  you know, Justin didn't pick late in the evening.
• 1:06:47
  It should have been in there. So I mean, so that's yeah.
• 1:06:49
  Wow. It's like I said, this could be
• 1:06:51
  the the 1st unintentional 10. I don't know what I didn't pick.
• 1:06:56
  It's not on my list all. Right, hold on, let me get this
• 1:07:00
  up to the top. I love that you phrased it as
• 1:07:06
  the obvious one, because I didn't.
• 1:07:08
  That's another one that I didn't know was obvious.
• 1:07:10
  I was just, it felt like I can't miss.
• 1:07:12
  It's got to have on my list. Not necessarily off that record.
• 1:07:15
  It's the obvious one for sure. OK, yeah, I mean, clearly.
• 1:07:21
  All right, so we're at 9. I still have 8 left.
• 1:07:24
  I think, Sam, I think what we're gonna we're gonna dump out at
• 1:07:28
  8:00 because, you know, at six we don't have like a ton of room
• 1:07:34
  left. So I'll start at the top here.
• 1:07:36
  How about tenderness? No.
• 1:07:40
  No. And you got to tell me albums if
• 1:07:41
  you have them, because I keep everything in album order.
• 1:07:44
  Let's see, there goes Ryman sign.
• 1:07:46
  If you don't. It's tenderness.
• 1:07:47
  OK, no. Here's my perhaps deeper stuff.
• 1:07:54
  Still crazy off of still crazy after all these years.
• 1:07:57
  Have a good time. No.
• 1:08:00
  No, all right. Same record.
• 1:08:02
  You're kind. Nope.
• 1:08:06
  That's another one. That and Tenderness were just,
• 1:08:08
  they were just nice and I couldn't, I couldn't let go.
• 1:08:13
  A lot of that record is nice, yeah.
• 1:08:15
  Yeah, moving to 1 Trick Pony. That's why God made the movies.
• 1:08:21
  Nope. OK, same record O Marian.
• 1:08:25
  Nope. Nope.
• 1:08:29
  All right off of Hearts and Bones song about the moon.
• 1:08:32
  Nope. Nope.
• 1:08:36
  Wow, waited, waited to go into the bin till the end.
• 1:08:40
  Looks like I picked it correct off of Graceland Diamonds on the
• 1:08:43
  soles of her shoes. Absolutely Nope, no, Wow, that
• 1:08:50
  only and only because I had three songs which I which I
• 1:08:54
  personally thought were all getting right in.
• 1:08:58
  And it's like, no, like we can't make that.
• 1:09:03
  There's no reason to make a top ten list 4 songs off of one
• 1:09:07
  album. Yeah.
• 1:09:10
  So I stopped it at 3 for that reason.
• 1:09:13
  Which is amazing because we only have one from that album.
• 1:09:16
  Top ten. Yeah.
• 1:09:17
  Am I? Well, that's on you guys.
• 1:09:24
  Well, we only. That's on you guys.
• 1:09:26
  We only have one last chance to get the 10.
• 1:09:30
  My last pick doesn't feel like we're gonna get there, but off
• 1:09:35
  of the rhythm of the Saints. Can't run but.
• 1:09:43
  No, Nope. All right.
• 1:09:45
  So we still did 9, which is considering the way it sounded
• 1:09:50
  really great. I told you guys.
• 1:09:54
  I I, we did 9 but we should have had 11.
• 1:09:57
  That's all I'm going to say. Well, you know, that's not we
• 1:10:00
  should have had 11, but also. All right, so I didn't clear out
• 1:10:05
  any years. Fredo, what do you I'm sorry,
• 1:10:07
  Randy, you're next. I did.
• 1:10:08
  Clear Randy's. Next I I cleared out one of
• 1:10:11
  Randy's. What do you got?
• 1:10:13
  Left OK I feel like I I I feel like I could have had a
• 1:10:18
  conversation like a longer conversation about all these
• 1:10:20
  songs that I'm taking here really love the flute section in
• 1:10:25
  here and he mentioned something skies and something that I love
• 1:10:28
  about his music is that he takes you to a place so Duncan.
• 1:10:35
  Nope. Nope, this was just used in the
• 1:10:40
  soundtrack to the bear in a scene where Carmen's character
• 1:10:47
  is like looking in an Art Museum and it's you know, I don't want
• 1:10:51
  to ruin or spoil the show, but it was it was a nice scene and
• 1:10:55
  it left the song kind of in a in a good spot for me.
• 1:10:58
  Let me live in your city. Nope.
• 1:11:02
  OK, off of Still crazy, this one, I was back and forth with
• 1:11:08
  this one and another one because of just like the double time
• 1:11:13
  that got to it was kind of like you said, Justin.
• 1:11:15
  It was nice and relaxing to start the song and once you got
• 1:11:18
  to the end of the song it really started upbeat and pounding my
• 1:11:22
  little town. Yep, that was actually one of
• 1:11:25
  his hits. Yeah, sure.
• 1:11:32
  This one I took because of the gospel influence.
• 1:11:34
  I thought it sounded unique and and different.
• 1:11:37
  It's also off of Still Crazy Gone at last.
• 1:11:46
  Yep, got that one too. Cool.
• 1:11:49
  All right, Good songs being added at the last minute.
• 1:11:53
  A couple of Graceland and then I'm done.
• 1:11:58
  This one. I just love the groove of this
• 1:12:01
  song. And I think that this is a song
• 1:12:04
  that he heard one of the South African bands playing on the
• 1:12:09
  street and then brought it to the studio to kind of, you know,
• 1:12:13
  change it a little bit and, and, and make it his gumboots.
• 1:12:19
  Nope. OK, this one I I just love just
• 1:12:24
  sort of the rhythmic pattern of the song and again, kind of
• 1:12:28
  reminds me of the theme of the record Under African Skies.
• 1:12:33
  Nope. OK.
• 1:12:36
  And the last one is obviously the one when when you listen to
• 1:12:41
  Graceland, you're like, OK, that is directly, you know, something
• 1:12:46
  from the African spirit. And it's just complete acapella,
• 1:12:50
  complete singing. And the the voices all do like
• 1:12:53
  these little percussive moments. It's like, tell me why, why,
• 1:12:57
  why? Somebody say did you?
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  Did you? And it's really fascinating the
• 1:13:03
  way that the song is put together.
• 1:13:04
  And the song is called Homeless. No, OK, that's it.
• 1:13:11
  All right. Boom, I got 123.
• 1:13:12
  I got 4 left. Let's shift this around.
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  And what do you got, Fredo? OK, I'm going to go from newest
• 1:13:20
  to oldest off of Rhythm of the Saints.
• 1:13:25
  I got further to fly off of Off of Heart and Bone, a song that
• 1:13:37
  actually means something to me because artist that he talks
• 1:13:42
  about in this song is the artist of the song of my wedding song
• 1:13:48
  to my second wife. And that song which became #1
• 1:13:54
  after he died playing Russian roulette right before he was
• 1:13:58
  supposed to go on stage at a Christmas show, 5657, something
• 1:14:06
  like that. That song was called Pledging My
• 1:14:10
  Love. This song is called The late
• 1:14:11
  great Johnny Ace. The next one off A1 Trick Pony,
• 1:14:23
  Ace in the Hole. Now I kind of feel like we
• 1:14:27
  danced around some of these albums.
• 1:14:31
  Yeah. You know, where it's like, you
• 1:14:34
  know, and again, this goes back to that feeling of, you know,
• 1:14:40
  we're going to have, we got 9 songs in the top ten.
• 1:14:45
  We're going to have, what, 8 or 9 songs with two out of those 8
• 1:14:50
  or 9, four, easily four of them could have been unanimous vote.
• 1:14:57
  And so this goes again to that nice familiar.
• 1:15:05
  Yeah. Paul Simon intimate kind of of
• 1:15:08
  stuff. And then my last one is off his
• 1:15:13
  self entitled LP could be honestly my theme song.
• 1:15:23
  It's a paranoia Blues. Boom, all right.
• 1:15:30
  And yeah, that's it. We shift this, I'll run down the
• 1:15:33
  9:00 and then we'll we'll math it out with with Brian's list
• 1:15:38
  and then we'll get to these twos.
• 1:15:41
  All right, so the nine that are in still crazy after all these
• 1:15:46
  years. Kodachrome me and Julio down by
• 1:15:48
  the schoolyard. 50 ways to leave your lover Graceland slip
• 1:15:52
  sliding away, who loves me like a rock Mother and child reunion
• 1:15:55
  and the obvious child. We've already got it like a
• 1:15:58
  really nice spread too. That's very much lovely just.
• 1:16:05
  And of those nine, the only one that wouldn't have still been a
• 1:16:08
  unanimous was Fifty Ways. Really.
• 1:16:12
  Yeah, really. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:16:16
  That would not be the one that I would think.
• 1:16:18
  The other eight we needed. I I would have thought the
• 1:16:22
  obvious job. Yeah, he definitely had that
• 1:16:25
  one. Wow.
• 1:16:27
  He also All right, well, we can. We can use that in the
• 1:16:30
  conversation. Let's go over these twos.
• 1:16:32
  We only have one, which makes me feel like I can't.
• 1:16:37
  Heavy hand. You can call me Al, but here's
• 1:16:40
  our twos. You can call me Al.
• 1:16:42
  Late in the evening, Hearts and bones, the boy in the bubble.
• 1:16:45
  Father and daughter. Diamonds on the soles of her
• 1:16:48
  shoes, my little town and gone at last for again math sake.
• 1:16:57
  Brian had diamonds boy in the bubble late in the evening and
• 1:17:03
  owl and not the other ones. Is there one here, Randy, that
• 1:17:08
  you're looking at that just feels like, I mean, that is just
• 1:17:12
  kind of happy to be here? Well, here, here's the thing, we
• 1:17:18
  have a top ten with only one Graceland song.
• 1:17:20
  Gave it all the love, the respect we need to put as the
• 1:17:25
  10th song, a Graceland song. And I love that this is here
• 1:17:29
  because I think that this is another song with the theme of
• 1:17:33
  the record and the sounds of the record.
• 1:17:37
  Diamonds on the soles of her shoes.
• 1:17:38
  I'm glad that Brian took it. It's an easier fight for a three
• 1:17:43
  rather than A2, but I think that's the song that's got to go
• 1:17:46
  on. What do you think, Fredo?
• 1:17:48
  Like he's. I, I, I, I don't think any
• 1:17:51
  Graceland song to be honest with you.
• 1:17:54
  Not not when and and I have two song, two other Graceland songs
• 1:18:00
  with with two votes. However, as I look at this list,
• 1:18:03
  there are two songs to me that have two votes that I think rate
• 1:18:14
  over any other Graceland song for different reasons #1 as far
• 1:18:23
  as being an upbeat song that gets people moving, makes people
• 1:18:29
  realize that, hey, Paul Simon isn't just a soft rock singer,
• 1:18:35
  is it just a folk singer? Late in the evening, those horns
• 1:18:40
  blast, they wake people up. The energy that he's got in that
• 1:18:44
  the rhythm of that song is, is is just like again, that that's
• 1:18:52
  a song that's a song that should have I shouldn't even have to
• 1:18:55
  fight for that song. That's a song that should have
• 1:18:59
  automatically been in this top 10.
• 1:19:03
  It it it it goes nicely with the top ten in the sense of of we
• 1:19:11
  got emotional, we got we got some upbeat, but I think this
• 1:19:16
  this would be the one song, if I look over the top ten that would
• 1:19:19
  rock 100% rock. People would be like, yeah, so
• 1:19:25
  that one or father and and daughter as far but and and I
• 1:19:32
  can almost say that, yeah, that shouldn't because if you're a
• 1:19:38
  parent, it means something. And it shows how to me, it's
• 1:19:42
  it's it's an incredible play on the heartstrings, but it's it's,
• 1:19:46
  it's, it's almost too meaningful to be left off.
• 1:19:50
  But to me, and the only way I can let that one go is the fact
• 1:19:54
  that if you're a parent, there's no way you could say that
• 1:19:57
  shouldn't be on the top 10. But if you weren't a parent, you
• 1:20:02
  could easily say it shouldn't be on the top 10.
• 1:20:06
  So so but those those are either one of those I think should
• 1:20:10
  should be the last one I. Think if we had two I would I
• 1:20:15
  would try and make a case for al here because it feels wrong that
• 1:20:22
  this. You don't need it though.
• 1:20:24
  All of these were massive hits, you know what I mean?
• 1:20:27
  Yeah, I I hear. Except for obvious child.
• 1:20:29
  If it feels wrong now, here's what I am going to say, though
• 1:20:34
  not to step in the way of of your Your Graceland pitch, but
• 1:20:40
  Fredo picked a song that is off 1 Trick Pony and we have nothing
• 1:20:44
  from 1 Trick Pony considering. Didn't think it was that great
• 1:20:48
  of a record to be honest with you.
• 1:20:49
  It was OK well, but I didn't pick a lot of songs off it.
• 1:20:52
  What I'm saying is we have this nice spread of his records and
• 1:20:57
  we have nothing from that. I I personally I don't think you
• 1:21:03
  need it. OK.
• 1:21:05
  Like that I, I, I understand and respect Fredo's argument and
• 1:21:11
  it's a very valid argument because a lot of these songs do
• 1:21:15
  have I, I think the most upbeat that's in the 10 is probably
• 1:21:20
  Love Me Like a Rock. But, and I get that argument,
• 1:21:23
  but I don't think because of album representation that we're
• 1:21:29
  because we're leaving off an album.
• 1:21:32
  I don't think that necessarily matters.
• 1:21:34
  I mean, to to me, I think because we made such a big deal
• 1:21:38
  of Graceland being, you know, in the top echelon of records of
• 1:21:42
  all time. Like, you know, I don't even
• 1:21:44
  think that the song Graceland is the Best Song off that record.
• 1:21:49
  And again, I'm I'm just very, you know, what I want people to
• 1:21:54
  hear from Paul Simon is I want people to hear the influences.
• 1:21:57
  And that's why, you know, and, and to even take the actual
• 1:22:01
  record out of it, see it as just the influences of different
• 1:22:07
  cultures within that song. That's diamonds on the soldier
• 1:22:12
  issues. That's why I I would like to get
• 1:22:15
  that into town all. Right, so.
• 1:22:18
  Here's the next thing I'll say to encounter that, OK?
• 1:22:22
  Here's the next thing that I'll I'll I'll say before I'm giving
• 1:22:27
  you the counter here for the record.
• 1:22:33
  The other two songs that have been pitched, father and
• 1:22:36
  daughter and diamonds I had and it should be noted that Brian
• 1:22:43
  has both late in the evening and diamonds, which are the the two
• 1:22:47
  that it seems like are in the are in the front seat.
• 1:22:50
  So probably go ahead. Fredo, what's your counter?
• 1:22:56
  Yeah, I'm, yeah, I'm not going to fight, by the way, Father and
• 1:23:00
  daughter. I didn't, I didn't think it
• 1:23:02
  would get to. And.
• 1:23:04
  And I'm glad that I got to mention it.
• 1:23:06
  And I hope that the discussion will make people listen to it.
• 1:23:12
  Here's my counter. Paul Simon is not Graceland.
• 1:23:18
  Paul Simon is not a world artist.
• 1:23:20
  Paul Simon showcased it and that album ended up becoming the
• 1:23:28
  album. But that's not Paul Simon.
• 1:23:31
  And this isn't and, and, and the purpose of this isn't to
• 1:23:35
  highlight an album. And I think we've done more than
• 1:23:39
  than highlighted enough to pique people's interests into
• 1:23:43
  listening to that album. This is the the purpose of this
• 1:23:48
  is to highlight Paul Simon, I think late in the evening.
• 1:23:57
  No, no, yeah. And late in the evening
• 1:24:00
  highlights a part of Paul Simon that I don't that I don't think
• 1:24:05
  it's highlighted anywhere else in the top ten that does exist
• 1:24:09
  in other albums and other songs that he's other songs that done
• 1:24:14
  on other albums. And so I, I, I think Graceland
• 1:24:20
  is a great representation of the album.
• 1:24:23
  Graceland. I think it will, especially if
• 1:24:28
  people listen to this entire show, I think it will pique
• 1:24:32
  their interest enough to make them do a deep dive on
• 1:24:35
  Graceland. I don't think we need to add
• 1:24:37
  another song to it. From Graceland to this top 10.
• 1:24:42
  My counterpoint to your counterpoint is that I I
• 1:24:50
  disagree. I think that is Paul Simon.
• 1:24:52
  I think that because of what he did with that record and.
• 1:24:58
  You know he, he. Has innovative on on other
• 1:25:01
  records as well. Not to the extent of Graceland,
• 1:25:05
  but that is who he is. You can't just say that
• 1:25:08
  Graceland was a one off because the next one he he did the same
• 1:25:11
  thing. He went to another culture and
• 1:25:13
  brought that music into American spotlight as well.
• 1:25:16
  So it was something that is a part of him and it was a part of
• 1:25:21
  his growth and maturity as an artist.
• 1:25:24
  I think that's extremely important when you're talking
• 1:25:26
  about the, you know, the the list and, and you know, I think
• 1:25:31
  it's, it's kind of a bit of a stalemate because I think you
• 1:25:34
  make an argument, you know, that there's nothing that sounds like
• 1:25:37
  late in the evening on the top ten.
• 1:25:39
  I kind of feel the same way about diamonds and soles or
• 1:25:43
  issues. I mean, you do have, you
• 1:25:45
  mentioned the horn section, Very good horn section and but
• 1:25:48
  there's a great horn section and diamonds as well.
• 1:25:51
  You know, I think that the song is more than worthy of being on
• 1:25:56
  the 10 and it does absolutely represent him because if it's
• 1:26:03
  because he created, he made the song, he made the song, of
• 1:26:07
  course it's representative of him.
• 1:26:09
  But you know, we have 9 songs that are extremely
• 1:26:13
  representative of who Paul Simon is in a traditional landscape.
• 1:26:20
  You know, again, take Graceland out of the occasion and just
• 1:26:24
  look at a song and, and look at and, and see the, you know, the
• 1:26:28
  inspiration from where the song comes from.
• 1:26:31
  You know, we don't have that in the top ten.
• 1:26:35
  I, I truly do feel like it's important because I think it's a
• 1:26:38
  huge part of his legacy that he went and did a couple records
• 1:26:43
  with, you know, artists of other cultures.
• 1:26:45
  I. Don't think you can discount
• 1:26:47
  that. OK, so then let let's go with
• 1:26:51
  chart success. Late in the evening was reached
• 1:26:54
  number six in the US. Charted on 123-4567 different
• 1:26:59
  charts around the world. Diamonds on the soles of the
• 1:27:05
  shoes. Counted on three charts.
• 1:27:07
  Didn't check. Charted on three charts around
• 1:27:10
  the world. Didn't chart at all in the US
• 1:27:14
  part in the UKI think Australia and what was the other one to a
• 1:27:24
  Dutch in the Dutch charts. So as far as as as significant
• 1:27:30
  impact in in the United States at the time that the song came
• 1:27:35
  out late in the evening had more of an impact now as as as we go
• 1:27:43
  by Graceland, Graceland had 12345 songs that were released
• 1:27:53
  off of off of Graceland. You can call me Al hit 28,
• 1:27:57
  Graceland hit 81, Boy in the Bubble hit 86.
• 1:28:01
  That's an all in the on the US charts.
• 1:28:03
  All of them were on multiple multiple charts around the
• 1:28:10
  world. Diamonds on the soles of her of
• 1:28:13
  her shoes, 3 charts and nowhere and and it did the highest
• 1:28:19
  charting stingle. Well the hardest was in Dutch
• 1:28:25
  was it was in Deutschland or you know, whatever the fuck.
• 1:28:31
  I can't think of what it is where it hit, where it hit
• 1:28:34
  number hit #69 whoa, whoa. But that was it.
• 1:28:42
  So even even if we're going to go and and, and make a case for
• 1:28:48
  another Graceland song, that wouldn't be the song.
• 1:28:54
  It would either be you could call Me Al, which again was the
• 1:28:57
  highest charting song off of that album or the Boy in the
• 1:29:00
  bubble. I know.
• 1:29:02
  But it it wouldn't be it wouldn't be that.
• 1:29:04
  So if if we look at impact and and and songs that brought more,
• 1:29:10
  that brought more people to the Paul Simon table, which is the
• 1:29:16
  purpose of this list, to bring people to the table, to make
• 1:29:21
  them go, yeah, you know what? This is a great fucking list.
• 1:29:24
  Let me do a deep dive late in the evening.
• 1:29:28
  Does that better? We are at song #10 all of these
• 1:29:35
  songs that are ahead of this song that we're going to pick,
• 1:29:38
  whatever it is, have charted. I like those songs are
• 1:29:42
  charitable songs. I'm not concerned about the
• 1:29:45
  charts. I'm, I want to get this song in
• 1:29:48
  people's ears because I want to show people what Paul Simon did
• 1:29:52
  with this song because I think that, you know, yeah.
• 1:29:56
  OK, so it charted in in Dutch and, and a couple places not as
• 1:30:00
  much as late in the evening. And that's OK.
• 1:30:02
  That's, that's fine. But the significance of the
• 1:30:06
  song, I think hold some weight. Justin, I'd.
• 1:30:10
  I'd like to know from your listenership who who mentioned
• 1:30:19
  the song. What song was mentioned more
• 1:30:21
  from the people that you pulled? Good question.
• 1:30:26
  Let me see because I was didn't mark it on my list because I
• 1:30:32
  didn't have it. So it's it's in my account here.
• 1:30:37
  It'll take me a second here. I got a bunch of the entirety of
• 1:30:45
  Gracelands, a bunch of people not understanding the question
• 1:30:53
  and giving me Simon Garfunkel. Yeah, that was about to happen.
• 1:31:00
  I've gotten. I was.
• 1:31:01
  I'm superior. Let's see, see Graceland, the
• 1:31:08
  song I got the Boy in the bubble.
• 1:31:17
  There's the Renee and Georgette. Here's one that did we not even
• 1:31:24
  bring up American Tune. Oh, there's another Renee that I
• 1:31:29
  didn't catch. Didn't catch.
• 1:31:31
  Yes. Everything put together, Heart
• 1:31:37
  and bones, American Tune, A Little Town, Graceland, Renee
• 1:31:40
  and Georgette. Another Renee and Georgette.
• 1:31:43
  Look at that. The people know.
• 1:31:47
  Kodachrome red rubber ball. American tune.
• 1:31:49
  The Boxer. That's the.
• 1:31:52
  I'll say Simon Garfunkel. Yeah, I know.
• 1:31:55
  Come on, I'm going to go with everything he's ever Red rubber
• 1:31:57
  ball Neither. Yeah, and I don't even think.
• 1:32:00
  I don't even think red rubber balls Simon or Simon Garfunkel.
• 1:32:03
  I think that was a band called The Circle.
• 1:32:05
  Yeah, so neither of those were answered.
• 1:32:10
  OK, so right back it's kind. Of a how about this?
• 1:32:12
  I'm willing, I'm willing to make this compromise.
• 1:32:14
  OK, Put that song on. Get rid of Graceland.
• 1:32:20
  No, no, I mean that that's, I'm not going to bend on this.
• 1:32:27
  I'm not. It's it's just well.
• 1:32:29
  Then you got two people that aren't going to bend like that's
• 1:32:31
  you. Know then that's on that's on
• 1:32:36
  Justin. Justin, either you flip the
• 1:32:37
  coin, make the call or or or we invoke what I think is the Bob
• 1:32:42
  France rule. Yeah, we don't do that anymore.
• 1:32:46
  OK, so then, then, then you, then you're the tiebreaker.
• 1:32:49
  It's a coin toss. Does anybody have a coin?
• 1:32:53
  No, I've no, you've got a no, no, you will do the talk.
• 1:32:57
  Well, the The thing is, we record it so it doesn't.
• 1:33:00
  It can't be fudged. Or it can, because if no one's
• 1:33:04
  seeing it, I could sit here and flip a coin and say, oh, Yep,
• 1:33:07
  that's it. No, what I mean is you video
• 1:33:10
  record yourself doing it so I can.
• 1:33:13
  Just you do you do it I. Mean I don't have a.
• 1:33:15
  This is what I just said, no? No.
• 1:33:17
  Well then. Well, then you pick the song.
• 1:33:19
  You have like a piece of paper that you can kind of make a
• 1:33:23
  small, I don't know, like and, you know, write heads on it or
• 1:33:27
  something like that. And.
• 1:33:28
  Then yeah, just throw it in. Or, you know, throw it in.
• 1:33:31
  Take three pieces of paper, put them in a hat.
• 1:33:34
  One has late in the evening, one has the other one, and one has
• 1:33:38
  nothing. And there you go.
• 1:33:40
  Wait. Why would you want someone with
• 1:33:43
  nothing in it? No, no.
• 1:33:46
  Well, just to just to, to draw to drama, to make it to make
• 1:33:50
  Justin sweat a little more. I, I think when you got two
• 1:33:54
  people, I honestly, I you don't have from from from this
• 1:33:58
  conversation. You don't have a dog in the
• 1:34:01
  fight. What?
• 1:34:03
  Me. No, no, I'm talking about, I'm
• 1:34:05
  talking about Justin. I'm talking Justin.
• 1:34:06
  You don't have a dog in the fight.
• 1:34:08
  Oh, you obviously do and I do. Justin doesn't, I believe.
• 1:34:13
  Justin said he voted for both songs.
• 1:34:15
  No, because that's the was the next level I was going to go to
• 1:34:19
  since it's getting put on me. The one that was on mine was
• 1:34:22
  diamonds. And that's the song.
• 1:34:25
  So that's what we're going to do I.
• 1:34:27
  Don't agree with it, but but but I mean, if that got to if that
• 1:34:31
  got the vote of the guy who who really doesn't have a a dog in
• 1:34:38
  the fight, then then that's the song.
• 1:34:40
  Again, I don't agree with it. I think we lose out the
• 1:34:44
  representation. However, I think this
• 1:34:48
  conversation, you know, was a win for both songs.
• 1:34:51
  Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
• 1:34:54
  Yeah. And you know, again, I feel like
• 1:34:57
  there was a bunch more of those conversations that could have
• 1:34:59
  been had, which is insane. Like we got 9 accidentally and
• 1:35:09
  we could have gone over and the conversation.
• 1:35:11
  Would have been easily should have.
• 1:35:14
  The conversation would have been equally as heated trying to cut
• 1:35:17
  a song I feel like. No, I don't.
• 1:35:20
  You know what? I would have been easy to me if
• 1:35:26
  now I think there would have been 3 songs that should have
• 1:35:28
  been unanimous, right? I had two of them and you said I
• 1:35:32
  didn't have one, right, Right. So, so the right.
• 1:35:38
  So I think whatever the unanimous one was, I mean the
• 1:35:42
  other one, I think it would have been easier to cut it down to 10
• 1:35:49
  than to have this discussion that we just did.
• 1:35:54
  But it's also interesting to think like if we would have had
• 1:35:56
  6 instead of nine, like how much easier that conversation would
• 1:36:01
  have gone. Yeah.
• 1:36:03
  So Oh yeah, could you could have put both in?
• 1:36:05
  Yeah, so here we go. Let me run this down.
• 1:36:07
  And there there's clearly more to talk about on the after the
• 1:36:10
  fact. This is, I feel like a good one.
• 1:36:12
  We're going to have to keep it short, but this is a good one to
• 1:36:16
  to for the dollar, I think. patreon.com/joe.
• 1:36:19
  Hi, Jason. All right, let's run this down
• 1:36:21
  because we still got to crank up the heat just a little bit.
• 1:36:23
  One more go. Still crazy after all these
• 1:36:25
  years. Kodachrome, me and Julio down by
• 1:36:27
  the schoolyard. 50 Ways to Leave your Lover Graceland Slip
• 1:36:30
  sliding away leaves me like a rock.
• 1:36:32
  Mother and child reunion. The obvious child diamonds on
• 1:36:34
  the soles of her shoes. Fredo Oh, I'm sorry, I keep
• 1:36:37
  trying to skip Randy. Randy, as I read those 10, Which
• 1:36:41
  one's the one? That's a really tough question
• 1:36:46
  and one. That.
• 1:36:50
  You have an answer you have like a legit.
• 1:36:53
  I, I I got a legit answer and I'll tell you this, I will more
• 1:36:58
  than adamantly fight if a Graceland song comes up.
• 1:37:02
  No, I will right now. Honestly, no, no and I.
• 1:37:05
  Honestly, I won't back. What do you think?
• 1:37:08
  I was really going to pitch diamonds of the soles of her
• 1:37:10
  shoes after that all. No, I think no, No, but I
• 1:37:12
  thought you would have pitched Graceland.
• 1:37:14
  No, no, no all. Right.
• 1:37:17
  Go ahead. No, then.
• 1:37:18
  Then you surprised me. Go ahead.
• 1:37:21
  God, I don't know, because I, I thought about this for like the
• 1:37:25
  last week or so. I'm like, what should be the
• 1:37:28
  song? What draws you in?
• 1:37:31
  And like all of them kind of do in their different ways, Like
• 1:37:36
  what kind of Paul Simon do you want?
• 1:37:39
  I kind of, I don't know, cheesy lyrics and everything like that
• 1:37:44
  aside like I think that this can draw people into him.
• 1:37:48
  It's got a little bit of an upbeat groove, but also like
• 1:37:51
  there's some a little bit of mystery behind like the intro to
• 1:37:55
  the song and it kind of develops in a really unique way.
• 1:37:59
  I'm on I'm on the 50 ways to leave your lover band here.
• 1:38:03
  I like, I think that would be a good option.
• 1:38:06
  And you know, you can sway me in a different direction with like
• 1:38:10
  Kodachrome or with mother and child reunion.
• 1:38:14
  I'd be happy with those. But I, I think that's kind of
• 1:38:17
  the way that I've been leading a little bit.
• 1:38:19
  So that's where I am. What?
• 1:38:21
  Do you think Freddo? Yeah, I, I think, I think you
• 1:38:26
  got to say goodbye to me and Rosie, the Queen of Corona and
• 1:38:29
  meet me and Julio Don at the schoolyard.
• 1:38:33
  I think the song is upbeat. I think the song is catchy.
• 1:38:35
  I think the whistle part will have everybody trying to whistle
• 1:38:38
  it. I think that that is a song that
• 1:38:43
  makes me want the next song to be a Paul Simon song.
• 1:38:50
  And I, and I think about it radio wise.
• 1:38:53
  I think about it mix tape wise. I think about it random wise.
• 1:38:59
  I hear me and Julio and I want to hear Crow to crow.
• 1:39:03
  I want to hear Slip Sliding away.
• 1:39:07
  I want to hear Mother and Child Reunion.
• 1:39:10
  I I I want to hear Fifty Ways. I want to hear Great slang.
• 1:39:15
  The only other song that that would have made me do that is
• 1:39:19
  late in the evening, but since that's not on the top ten and I
• 1:39:22
  had to mention it again, I'm going to go with Me and Julio.
• 1:39:27
  I won't push too hard against me and Julio, but the one I was
• 1:39:32
  leaning towards was Kodachrome. And again, I think this really
• 1:39:36
  kind of just speaks to what this this what this artist is.
• 1:39:44
  I, I could easily be swayed on either of your choices.
• 1:39:47
  I I think Kodachrome was just the one that it gave me that
• 1:39:54
  nice feeling. It was a non negotiable that I
• 1:39:56
  didn't know was a non negotiable and also didn't know it was non
• 1:40:00
  negotiable because it was obvious if, if any of that makes
• 1:40:04
  sense. It it did everything it needed
• 1:40:09
  to do and I didn't know the song like it was it just it hit and I
• 1:40:14
  was like, yeah, this, this is, this is easy, this is on.
• 1:40:20
  But like, I don't know, man. You want to hear, you want to
• 1:40:24
  hear something funny. So Rochester, NY is the is where
• 1:40:31
  Kodak, I can't remember George Kodak.
• 1:40:34
  I can't remember the guy's name. That's that's his home.
• 1:40:36
  Yeah, Kodak. Yeah, no, I just don't.
• 1:40:39
  Remember first name Linda McCartney's father, by the way.
• 1:40:43
  Really he was it. She was she was heir.
• 1:40:47
  She was heir to to East Eastman. Linda Eastman Eastman is the guy
• 1:40:51
  who who helped develop the camera.
• 1:40:55
  OK, well, I don't know, I just got this like cuz I went to a
• 1:40:59
  concert up there about a week ago and inside the concert venue
• 1:41:04
  is like a nice little like tribute to Kodak film.
• 1:41:08
  And I was thinking about that song a lot cuz I, and I'm like,
• 1:41:14
  you know, like I got, I got a nice like fuzzy feeling from it.
• 1:41:17
  So like I'd I'd be happy with Kodachrome being the one if it
• 1:41:22
  had to be the one for sure. The only one I the only reason I
• 1:41:26
  wouldn't pick that song is because what the fuck is
• 1:41:30
  Kodachrome? I know what it is, but who the
• 1:41:34
  fuck takes pictures with cameras?
• 1:41:35
  Who develops film I. Mean nobody's Google.
• 1:41:41
  But yeah, but but people won't. People won't.
• 1:41:44
  People are lazy. And, and, and I think about that
• 1:41:46
  because I remember when the song came out, I was singing the song
• 1:41:49
  for 3-4 fucking years before I realized that Koda Chrome was
• 1:41:52
  about taking pictures, you know, now, mind you, I was young.
• 1:41:58
  Now, now, now, mind you, I was young, you know, when the song
• 1:42:01
  came out. But still, it was something that
• 1:42:03
  was that was in the culture, that was in the lexicon.
• 1:42:06
  People knew what Koda Chrome meant.
• 1:42:09
  People not, not people in the industry, people.
• 1:42:13
  And I didn't get it. And people now that and, and not
• 1:42:18
  only would you have to explain Kodachrome, but you might have
• 1:42:21
  to explain why it's significant and the development of film and,
• 1:42:26
  and why do you have to develop film when you take a picture?
• 1:42:30
  Well, because when you took a picture, you know, cameras
• 1:42:32
  weren't on your phone. You had to take it and develop
• 1:42:36
  it on film. You didn't get the instance.
• 1:42:38
  It becomes a whole cultural lesson, which unless you're
• 1:42:42
  interested in IT, people going to be fuck that, I'm not going
• 1:42:45
  to do that much fucking thinking about a nonsense word, what they
• 1:42:49
  would consider a nonsense word. That's the only reason I
• 1:42:51
  wouldn't pick that. I mean, it'd be nice and tidy to
• 1:42:58
  just take me and Julio because it is a nice little slice of pop
• 1:43:02
  deliciousness. Just saying I you're not, you're
• 1:43:08
  not going to have to fight me too hard for me and Julio.
• 1:43:12
  I, I will say that part of my decision to change my pick was
• 1:43:18
  because I had a feeling that this would be in the discussion
• 1:43:25
  for the one song. And this would have been if had
• 1:43:29
  I not taken it, this would have been the first time that I'd
• 1:43:34
  ever not taken the number one song.
• 1:43:37
  And I, I felt some major guilt over that.
• 1:43:43
  So that was, that was very much a safety net knowing that it had
• 1:43:49
  a very, very good chance of doing that.
• 1:43:52
  So. What 50 ways or or mean Julio.
• 1:43:55
  Julio. Oh, OK.
• 1:43:57
  Because remember I I originally wasn't going to put it on my
• 1:44:00
  list and change. Swapped in on the fly, yeah.
• 1:44:04
  Oh yeah, that's right. That's right.
• 1:44:05
  Yeah, there's also. I had no reason not to take it,
• 1:44:07
  I was just being stupid. All right, so we'll go with me
• 1:44:11
  and Julio just because we've really been we're we're going
• 1:44:14
  long. All right, me and Julio is at
• 1:44:15
  the top. Let me get that going and I'll
• 1:44:19
  run this down and we will get on out of here.
• 1:44:23
  Me and Julio down by the schoolyard.
• 1:44:24
  Still crazy after all these years.
• 1:44:26
  Kodachrome 50 ways to leave your lover Graceland slip sliding
• 1:44:29
  away loves me like a rock. Mother and child reunion.
• 1:44:31
  The obvious child diamonds on the soles of her shoes rounds
• 1:44:35
  out our 10, and not as long as I thought, but definitely running
• 1:44:40
  along. Hey, let's let me and Julio down
• 1:44:44
  by the down by the schoolyard. I can read get him on GET.
• 1:44:48
  That whistle part. Get that whistle part.
• 1:44:49
  In the sun it was against. The law.
• 1:44:53
  I want the Mama song. It was against the law, Julio.
• 1:44:58
  Mama looked down and spit on the ground every time the name gets
• 1:45:01
  mentioned. Nice little pop deliciousness.
• 1:45:04
  There we go. I think I may have played it too
• 1:45:06
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• 1:45:09
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• 1:45:16
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• 1:45:25
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• 1:45:34
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• 1:45:37
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• 1:45:40
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