Latest / StallioneSearch Podcasts / Ep.78- Jerry Burgess - Bugs Alive In 75; All American Recap Edition
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- 0:00SPEAKER_14: It's the post All American Weekend Edition here for 2026 on the number one Quarter Horse Racing podcast in this universe.
- 0:08SPEAKER_14: It's Quarter Horse Racing Talk Weekly.
- 0:11SPEAKER_10: And here's your host, Greg Thompson.
- 0:13SPEAKER_08: And hello again, everyone.
- 0:14SPEAKER_08: I'm Greg Thompson of StalinECearch.com here on Quarter Horse Racing Talk Weekly.
- 0:19SPEAKER_08: And we got a lot of ground to cover this week.
- 0:22SPEAKER_08: And I got a very special treat for those listeners that enjoy the strolls down memory lane as I've uncovered another gem in the archives that I call my mess of external hard drives, as that I've gone and filled up quite a few over the years.
- 0:38SPEAKER_08: And every once in a while when I'm going through and searching for something, I uncover one of those hidden gems.
- 0:43SPEAKER_08: And this is certainly one of those.
- 0:45SPEAKER_08: As I discovered an interview that I did with recently past Hall of Fame jockey Jerry Burgess about his run with Bugs Alive in 75 in that Labor Day classic that was contested over 51 years ago up there on the mountain, as him and I talk at Lone Star Park, which is an interview that was probably done greater than 15 years ago.
- 1:07SPEAKER_08: But it is weird how it falls perfectly into a podcast format in the modern day.
- 1:13SPEAKER_08: And I look forward to giving that out to you listeners out there that enjoy my discussions with the legends of the sport.
- 1:20SPEAKER_08: But also we get to tackle the news that came out of the Riadosa camp as of the first night of the Riadosa Select Yearling Sale when it was announced that they were moving the Triple Crown as well as the sale, as well as the Hall of Fame, over to Lone Star Park in Grand Prairie.
- 1:37SPEAKER_08: And over the years, talking with a lot of the legends, I was privileged to be able to get some of the articles that are sitting in the Riadosa Racehorse Hall of Fame.
- 1:46SPEAKER_08: So to hear that it has a future is definitely music to my ears.
- 1:51SPEAKER_08: And I get in and discuss some of the things that I've heard as well as some of the things that I've thought out about how this is possibly going to work.
- 1:59SPEAKER_08: It's more of a my two cents on the subject here as we're leading into the recap section, which contains all of the grade one races out there in Albuquerque during the Labor Day weekend, as well as the Boco Futurity and the Bluegrass Derby recaps in the section.
- 2:16SPEAKER_08: And also I get a lot of the connections that won this past weekend to get on and talk about their big classic wins there in the recap section, but that also bleeds into a very robust preview section where there's a giant grade one event out there at Los Alamitas this weekend of the Grade 1 Millie Vessels, which is a win-in-your-in race for the Phillies and Mayors to get into the Champion of Champions and multiple standout runners going postward in that race, as well as the PCQ HRA Futurity, which also takes place this coming weekend there in California.
- 2:51SPEAKER_08: And as you can see, we have a full dance card for this podcast, this episode.
- 2:56SPEAKER_08: So let me get out of the way and get to one of these commercials so we can dive right into the features section when I get into a conversation with the late great Jerry Burgess about his run in 1975.
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- 4:25SPEAKER_00: Alright, let's get back to the podcast.
- 4:27SPEAKER_08: Alright, we're back here in another golden treasure that was found in one of my old external hard drives that I have uh that have done over the years.
- 4:37SPEAKER_08: There's lots of footage on there, but this one I uncovered when I was searching for something else, and I thought, wow, I'm gonna have this one a listen, and certainly turns out to be a great addition here for the podcast.
- 4:50SPEAKER_08: It's right down our alley of talking to some of the legends of the sport, which of course we just recently lost this Hall of Fame jockey, Jerry Burgess, who I got to know as Jerry Burgess the steward for all the years that I had worked in the racing office and got to know him decently, got to talk with him about some of the big wins and some of the great riders that he was able to ride up against during his period of time.
- 5:13SPEAKER_08: And of course, he's considered one of the greats as well.
- 5:16SPEAKER_08: A lot of great jockeys that I've interviewed in the past all referenced just how competitive and how great Jerry was in the saddle.
- 5:24SPEAKER_08: But certainly this interview that I did with him, gosh, probably almost 15 years ago now, centered around his win in the All-American Faturity in 1975 aboard Bugs Alive in '75.
- 5:36SPEAKER_08: Now, this was the year that the Louisiana Wonder Horse, Rockets Magic, made its way from Louisiana to qualify as the fastest qualifier going into the All-American Faturity in 1975, which of course was the basis of the movie Casey Shadow later on.
- 5:53SPEAKER_08: But the difference is Rockets Magic ran a third place finish in the big race of the All-American Faturity and didn't win the race like in the movie.
- 6:01SPEAKER_08: But let me set the scene for 1975.
- 6:03SPEAKER_08: Bugs Alive in 75 finally came alive that Monday on Labor Day in 1975 at Ridosa Downs in New Mexico and hauled in the richest purse of all time for any horse race at that point with a$330,000 winner's share going to the connections of Bugs Alive in 75.
- 6:22SPEAKER_08: And the horse was owned by Ralph Chavester of Winniewood, Oklahoma, and the cult was by Top Moon.
- 6:28SPEAKER_08: Out of the Jack's Jet mare, Ralph's Ladybug, which is also a Chivester-owned mare, that finished fourth in the 1968 All-American Faturity, which the 1975 edition of the All-American Faturity was owner Ralph Chavester's third entry into the big race, as third time was a charm.
- 6:47SPEAKER_08: And the trainer was JB Montgomery, another that a lot of the legends point to was a top-level horseman.
- 6:54SPEAKER_08: And he sent this two-year-old into the All-American Faturity as being the richest two-year-old quarter horse in the nation at the time, with him making his 13th start of the year in the All-American Faturity.
- 7:06SPEAKER_08: Now, as as you can imagine, right off the top of your head, the modern day two-year-old just doesn't do that.
- 7:12SPEAKER_08: But back then, by the time he went postword, he'd already won the West Texas Faturity, qualified and ran a ninth in the Sun Country Futurity, which was used to be run in May at Sunland Park, went through the elimination as well as the time trial for the Kansas Faturity in 1975, ran second in the Kansas, comes back, goes through the elimination trial, and qualifies in the time trial before running a second place finish in the Rainbow Faturity behind Chip Call Su, and then of course qualifies into the All-American Futurity before running lights out that day in 1975.
- 7:48SPEAKER_08: And as a side note, he wasn't done after the All-American Faturity.
- 7:52SPEAKER_08: He went on and qualified to go into the Sunland Park Fall Faturity and he won that as well, finishing out the year with three victories in Faturities to close out the year.
- 8:03SPEAKER_08: And as mentioned, this interview was done some time ago at Lone Star Park there in the steward's office, as I sat across from Jerry and put the camera on him and talked to him about his career as well as this big time win in the All-American Futurities.
- 8:17SPEAKER_08: Jerry, of course, the topic that I really want to cover with you is the All-American Futurity win in 1975 aboard Bugs Alive in 75.
- 8:26SPEAKER_08: But before we get to the horse, let's talk about the relationship with owner Ralph Chavester and trainer JB Montgomery and kind of how you got to know them prior to you getting the mount on Bugs Alive in 75.
- 8:38SPEAKER_04: I rode for a number of years uh for JB Montgomery before uh in 1968 I rode an animal that ran third in the finals of the All-American and uh Americal Top Bug that ended up being champion uh two-year-old Philly, American Quarterhorse Association champion two-year-old Philly that year.
- 9:00SPEAKER_04: Uh and uh JB Montgomery was the trainer there, and I rode any number.
- 9:06SPEAKER_04: Also that same year, the champion guilding was a horse called Cinder Leo, which I was riding for JB Montgomery that uh won four or five derbies besides uh a couple of championships.
- 9:22SPEAKER_04: Uh an outstanding individual.
- 9:24SPEAKER_04: These horses I'd ridden for him possibly started in uh 1967.
- 9:30SPEAKER_04: So uh working together and uh getting positive results quite often in this industry uh that determines whether people keep working together is uh two or three different individuals working together coming up with positive results, and we had had this.
- 9:54SPEAKER_08: Jerry, go back to your first recollection of either getting on Bugs Alive in 75 or the first time you put eyes on him.
- 10:01SPEAKER_04: Uh in the fall when he was a yearlin, and it just started him out, uh I was in Oklahoma.
- 10:09SPEAKER_04: JB was in New Mexico at El Paso or the Anthony part, the New Mexico part at uh Sunland Park off uh at a training center.
- 10:21SPEAKER_04: And uh he told me he thought he had an outstanding individual.
- 10:25SPEAKER_04: And would I uh come down and gallop the horse and look at the animal and see if what he was thinking, if it was uh parallel to uh what I might think after I galloped the horse?
- 10:41SPEAKER_04: And uh so I flew to El Paso and spent some time and uh galloped some of his other animals.
- 10:48SPEAKER_04: He had some other animals that were outstanding individuals, but this one uh was in a class by itself.
- 10:56SPEAKER_08: Jerry, for those that weren't around like myself back in 75, could you describe the horse for us, Bugs Alive in 75?
- 11:05SPEAKER_04: He was not a big horse, he was a small horse, but he had uh so much like dealing with people in everyday life.
- 11:12SPEAKER_04: This animal had the desire to be a winner.
- 11:16SPEAKER_04: Whenever he stepped on the racetrack, he grabbed hold to the bit.
- 11:20SPEAKER_04: He uh wanted to move, wanted to run, wanted to do, wanted to be a winner.
- 11:27SPEAKER_08: You know, Jerry, going into the All-American, this horse already had established a fairly stout record.
- 11:34SPEAKER_08: I mean, just going into the All-American Futurity on his 13th start of his two-year-old calendar, already a Futurity winner, already a qualifier into two grade ones, the Kansas and the Rainbow Futurity, but let's go back to the the Kansas Futurity and talk about that.
- 11:48SPEAKER_04: In the Kansas, uh the horse uh was fractious, uh got upset, threw a fit in the gates, and uh finished second in the finals of the Kansas and got defeated uh Chick's deck, I believe it was, something of this nature, and a trainer uh by the name of JJ Pletcher, who had a son uh walking around helping him there by the name of Todd Pletcher.
- 12:20SPEAKER_04: It's funny how backgrounds in horse racing uh might uh be uh start some amazing careers on down the road, but that's the story of the Kansas.
- 12:31SPEAKER_04: And um Mr.
- 12:33SPEAKER_04: Pletcher had a good animal that day, and it was that animal's day, and uh it wasn't particularly Bugs Alives, he finished second, and uh for his performance and messing up that uh only hurt himself, uh it was lucky to get second.
- 12:49SPEAKER_08: Comes out of that second place finish in the Kansas and qualifies into the Rainbow Futurity.
- 12:55SPEAKER_04: The rainbow.
- 12:56SPEAKER_04: Um the horse really uh made it to the front, got tarred, bugs alive, he finished second in the rainbow.
- 13:05SPEAKER_04: He uh possibly the way uh we prepared, maybe the animal uh it wasn't one of his better days.
- 13:13SPEAKER_04: Uh like Michael Jordan, he don't perform every day the same.
- 13:19SPEAKER_08: Jerry, this two-year-old had carried you to two second place finishes in the first two legs of the Triple Crown, and in 75, it was the year after the major run at the Triple Crown was made by Tiny's Gay, who of course lost by a very small margin to Walter Merrick's Easy Date.
- 13:38SPEAKER_08: Did you feel like at that period of time, the next following year, that there was a heightened awareness of the Triple Crown to accomplish after watching Tiny's Gay almost pull it off in 74?
- 13:50SPEAKER_04: I think so.
- 13:51SPEAKER_04: And in the past, special effort accomplishing something that it was something to look for in the future.
- 13:57SPEAKER_04: You know, uh I guess people are still looking for it, but to an animal to go out there and spend one summer at one place and defeat animals in uh three big races, uh trials and finals would take an exceptional individual.
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- 15:42SPEAKER_08: Jerry, you brought up something, so I'm gonna go circle back and ask you about that era of having those elimination trials as well as those time trials prior to running in the finals if you were capable of qualifying.
- 15:56SPEAKER_08: And it seems very taxing if you're putting into the modern day concept of quarter horse racing.
- 16:03SPEAKER_04: It was uh almost uh unreal in the sense that uh we look back today and wonder what was our thinking that we would put this much uh stress on these individuals.
- 16:18SPEAKER_04: What were we thinking about?
- 16:20SPEAKER_04: And at the time we thought it was best uh the Betton public, the industry, would get to look at these animals and we would have double elimination, unfortunate as it was.
- 16:33SPEAKER_04: Uh our thinking uh we were damaging these animals uh if uh we look back and we try to figure how did we ever get into that frame of thinking, that line of thinking it was unfortunate.
- 16:49SPEAKER_08: I'd always assumed it was as taxing as it sounded, but it just kind of shows just what an amazing set of individuals, such as Tiny's Gay or Special Effort, or even really Bugs Alive in 75, who ran all three of the Triple Crown, including the elimination trials to get to Labor Day.
- 17:09SPEAKER_04: Oh, they have to uh they come up with leg problems and the uh physical problems, but there is where an individual, if they have the mental desire to be a winner, the mental desire to finish in front, uh it overcomes so many so many physical problems.
- 17:32SPEAKER_04: But that's asking so much for an animal.
- 17:36SPEAKER_04: It asks so much for a human being, but this animal uh we uh don't never stop and consider and give it enough consideration to realize this animal thinks like a human being, wants to be a winner like a human being.
- 17:52SPEAKER_04: And the horse I rode, Bugs Alive in 75, uh, wasn't one of the greatest speed horses, but had so much desire, desire to be a winner.
- 18:06SPEAKER_04: Um in everyday life we see some people like this, and we admire these people that work and strive and work harder than somebody else.
- 18:16SPEAKER_04: Might not have near the talent as another individual, but they overcome that with desire.
- 18:23SPEAKER_04: And that's what uh Bugs Alive was.
- 18:26SPEAKER_08: Jerry, with coming up short and finishing second in both the Kansas and the Rainbow Futurity, after you had qualified to get into the All-American Futurity, I would have to assume that there was some level of redemption that you were wanting out of this summer there up on the mountain, and uh sound like in the first leg he kind of beat himself.
- 18:48SPEAKER_04: Well, uh you had to stop and think and realize also that here this horse that possibly had a problem with running distance had got outrun going 350 yards, and uh another horse comes from behind and catches him in the rainbow going 400 yards, and here the all-American is 440 yards.
- 19:11SPEAKER_04: So uh you have to uh hope that you can uh this animal will be physically stout because it's gonna be necessary he be stouter than he was in the previous two uh finals of big stake races, and uh which is hard to do and where you have a long hot summer.
- 19:32SPEAKER_04: Uh we were quite fortunate.
- 19:36SPEAKER_04: Uh the animal came around and uh he was stouter coming into the All-American, he was by far a better individual uh than he had been in previous fraturities.
- 19:48SPEAKER_08: Jerry in 75, we're all familiar with the background of Rocket's Magic making it over to the mountain and having the fastest qualifying time going into the All-American Faturity, and we are all aware of how it was spun to become the screenplay for the movie Casey's Shadow.
- 20:06SPEAKER_08: But was their media attention placed upon that edition of the All-American Faturity because of this Louisiana Invader?
- 20:14SPEAKER_04: Well, definitely.
- 20:15SPEAKER_04: Uh and uh it was quite a story.
- 20:18SPEAKER_04: An animal uh, yes, win the fraturities in uh Louisiana, and then haul to the mountain and uh be one of the prominent uh and close to being one of the favorites in it, uh yes, and uh really it was good for horse racing.
- 20:35SPEAKER_04: Uh even though uh he was uh my opposition in the race, me and the animal I was riding.
- 20:43SPEAKER_04: Uh was it a good story?
- 20:45SPEAKER_04: Was it good for everybody?
- 20:47SPEAKER_04: Yes, it was, and uh uh got to meet some individuals uh from uh Louisiana that uh I've have a friendship with to this day.
- 20:59SPEAKER_04: So uh yes, it was real good.
- 21:02SPEAKER_04: It was a good story and uh tough competition.
- 21:05SPEAKER_04: And really uh if a person uh defeats tough competition, they can feel so much better.
- 21:13SPEAKER_04: And uh yes, it was a good feeling, and uh for him to be there and to be the competition, it was certainly good.
- 21:21SPEAKER_08: Jerry, going into the four hundred and forty yard All-American Fraturity finals you had mentioned in his previous starts about your concerns of his limitations of distance, and as you're looking back all these years later, is is there something that the trainer would do in order to try to get as much distance out of a horse as possible as it pertains to his training methods?
- 21:46SPEAKER_04: Well, I tell you, we did do something different where you don't take a quarter horse to the track as often uh but you do a thoroughbred and um back in old thorbred stories they talk about.
- 22:00SPEAKER_04: Uh horses going out and galloping the the morning of the Kentucky Derby.
- 22:05SPEAKER_04: That morning at ten o'clock, horses would go out and gallop and maybe gallop a mile or something.
- 22:11SPEAKER_04: The day before the All-American finals, Bugs Alive went to the racetrack and galloped a mile the day before.
- 22:21SPEAKER_04: And this is something uh in quarter horses that you don't do as much because uh your early speed away from the gate is so important to get out of trouble and be able to compete.
- 22:34SPEAKER_04: And uh with Bugs Alive, the distance was a problem.
- 22:40SPEAKER_04: Myself and trainer JB Montgomery, we talked and we discussed this, and the day before he ran in the finals, we galloped him a mile trying to get that increased distance.
- 22:54SPEAKER_08: Seemed like it worked.
- 22:56SPEAKER_13: It worked.
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- 24:48SPEAKER_08: Alright, before we get to the conclusion of this interview, this is for the listener, just wanted to point out a very interesting stat about Hall of Fame jockey Jerry Burgess before we get to the conclusion of his triumphant run down the racetrack there in Riadoso aboard Bugs Alive in '75 to win his only All-American Faturity, but that's the fact I wanted to go over.
- 25:10SPEAKER_08: As Jerry had 10 mounts in 10 different All-American Faturities, he actually qualified into 11, but in 1979, Asked the Boss was scratched from the field.
- 25:20SPEAKER_08: But the unique thing about Jerry is that we easily could have been talking about the two-time All-American Faturity-winning jockey Jerry Burgess, or maybe even the three-time All-American Faturity-winning jockey Jerry Burgess as he finished second twice in 1980.
- 25:37SPEAKER_08: He just lost by a nose, one of the smallest margins in All-American history, with Mighty Deck 3 losing to a nose to Johnny Goodman trained High Easter Jet, and then just lost by three-quarters of a length to Mr.
- 25:51SPEAKER_08: Master Bug as Jerry was on Miss Squawhan, as he was part of the duo that gave Marvin Barnes the only one-two finish for an owner in the All-American Futurity in history.
- 26:03SPEAKER_08: So it was a unique fact that wanted to point out before we jump into the conclusion here of this interview that with just a little bit more racing luck, Jerry could have easily been a three-time winner of this big grade one event.
- 26:19SPEAKER_08: Jerry, take the listener to 1975.
- 26:22SPEAKER_08: Here you are getting ready in the jocks room, ready to walk down the steps to get out to the paddock there for the All-American Futurity.
- 26:31SPEAKER_08: On a horse that you had finished second in both the Kansas and the Rainbow prior to qualifying into the field into the All-American Futurity, which turned out to be your sixth All-American Futurity that you had were contesting in your riding career.
- 26:45SPEAKER_08: Talk about your confidence level with this horse and maybe something that was discussed in the paddock between you and JB Montgomery.
- 26:54SPEAKER_04: Possibly, uh if you can say at times when you're overconfident, uh if anything would have defeated me at that point, it might have been that.
- 27:06SPEAKER_04: Because I really felt like this horse uh also that uh little change in training and uh the animal's look in his eye that day and the way he act, and he was uh not acting silly.
- 27:22SPEAKER_04: Uh he was uh stood there with his eyes bright, looking out at the people, confident.
- 27:29SPEAKER_04: He wasn't uh in any way he was ready to go out and handle a job that was in front of him.
- 27:37SPEAKER_04: And that's the way he warmed up.
- 27:39SPEAKER_04: And of course, an animal that possibly might not run this.
- 27:44SPEAKER_04: We didn't uh warm him up that much, just uh let him trot a little bit on the backside and let him be ready, let him be limber enough to leave the gate, but have enough strength to run the full 440 yards.
- 28:00SPEAKER_08: Gary, take us from gate to wire in the 75 All American.
- 28:05SPEAKER_04: He stepped away much better than in the finals of the Rainbow and the Kansas uh stepped away straight, didn't slip in any way, and uh it was almost like uh you couldn't have written it any better.
- 28:22SPEAKER_04: Uh horses on both sides of him almost parted uh uh like Moses and the sea.
- 28:30SPEAKER_04: Uh it parted for him, and the halfway point in the race, I reached up and took a hold of the animal because he is far enough in front uh there was no catching that day.
- 29:09SPEAKER_08: Jerry, it was your sixth All American Faturity that you were contesting.
- 29:14SPEAKER_08: And as mentioned, you'd gone through two tough defeats thus far on a very talented horse in 75.
- 29:21SPEAKER_08: Talk about the actual joy and jubilation you must have felt crossing the wire in front.
- 29:27SPEAKER_04: It was uh my greatest joys in life.
- 29:31SPEAKER_04: I don't show uh I'm not emotional about it because it's uh it's an internal thing.
- 29:39SPEAKER_04: And the satisfaction internally I was feeling uh I don't jump up and down and holler, but it does me so much good internally that I'm almost uh sometimes people uh comment about me that uh well you're so smug or you're over con you're and really I'm savoring and enjoying the satisfaction inside internally, and uh I might be a completely oblivious to what's going on around me because internally I've enjoyed being there and uh and going through my mind is uh all the uh the road to getting there.
- 30:29SPEAKER_04: Anytime, any accomplishment, I think back the uh road, how I got there.
- 30:35SPEAKER_04: And it builds up inside, and uh that's boy, that's great for me.
- 30:43SPEAKER_08: Jerry Pastawire, you stood up in the saddle and kind of whirled your whip around in celebration, and uh it was clear that you were enjoying yourself.
- 30:53SPEAKER_04: Oh, I whirled that stick because uh after all uh the trying and trying, I finally got there.
- 31:02SPEAKER_04: That was uh the signal that I finally got there.
- 31:07SPEAKER_08: On the gallop out and bringing the horse back, Jerry, you had known you had won the All-American Faturity, and as you're bringing the horse back, I'm assuming you saw JB Montgomery and owner Ralph Schwebester, and their joy and their happiness of winning the All-American Faturity.
- 31:23SPEAKER_08: Take us to that moment in '75.
- 31:26SPEAKER_04: No feeling can be any grander uh that you've accomplished something.
- 31:31SPEAKER_04: Uh in life, all of us uh get in situations uh life itself where we work to accomplish something, and uh when you're a winner and you have achieved what you work for, uh there's no greater feeling.
- 31:50SPEAKER_04: And in the quarter horse industry, uh quarter horse racing industry, to win the All-American, you've achieved at the very top level.
- 32:02SPEAKER_04: All-time great trainers like uh my friend, uh Mr.
- 32:06SPEAKER_04: Lucas, would uh so much would have liked to uh say during his quarter horse career before he went to the third bread career and reached the top of the pinnacle, the top of the mountain.
- 32:21SPEAKER_04: Uh he looks back and he would have liked to have had an all-American winner during his quarter horse era.
- 32:29SPEAKER_04: He would uh he uh got to work with Dash for Cash.
- 32:34SPEAKER_04: And in fact, uh when I rode Dash for Cash, which is a different story in uh Stakes in California, uh D.
- 32:42SPEAKER_04: Wayne Lucas was down as the trainer on the individual.
- 32:46SPEAKER_04: But looking back for his quarter horse career, that would have been one of the things that would have topped it off for him to have won the All-American, and he will be quick to tell you that.
- 32:57SPEAKER_04: And so uh accomplishing and reaching the top, uh there is no grander feeling.
- 33:04SPEAKER_04: And myself, I'm not the character the type that jumps up and down and uh has a grand time.
- 33:12SPEAKER_04: In fact, I can uh walk off and be by myself and enjoy it because the inside feeling, the feeling of accomplishment uh is there and uh no grander feeling in life.
- 33:28SPEAKER_08: Well, Jerry, all these years later, with I believe all of these individuals other than yourself are gone, Bugs Alive in 75 passing, and Ralph Chavester and JB Montgomery have long since passed.
- 33:41SPEAKER_08: As you're looking back upon the runner Bugs Alive in 75, talk about the fondness that must come into mind when thinking about that talented runner and the horse that took you to the height of quarter horse racing achievement.
- 33:56SPEAKER_04: I guess it was everything to me.
- 33:59SPEAKER_04: Uh because uh worked with an animal that uh was uh a blue-collar animal.
- 34:06SPEAKER_04: Uh he uh was not the uh great uh great runner.
- 34:11SPEAKER_04: Oh, he was an outstanding individual, but he was the type of individual that was uh all heart and all try.
- 34:20SPEAKER_04: One that you admire because uh the great uh natural uh natural athlete, uh all those things really didn't exist for this animal.
- 34:33SPEAKER_04: Uh he did and the physical bill to be a quarter of a mile horse, the tall, slim, thirdbred type, that did not exist.
- 34:42SPEAKER_04: This animal uh was a small animal, uh heavy set, and uh he uh didn't have all the characteristics that you would uh set down and draw a picture of the animal that you would think that you would have to win the 440-yard uh all-American, the uh greatest race in quarter horse racing.
- 35:06SPEAKER_04: No, he uh for him to accomplish it and get uh and end up being the winner uh was pure you had to admire admire the animal.
- 35:18SPEAKER_04: Uh the animal uh was all guts, all tribe, blue collar uh something you really appreciated.
- 35:28SPEAKER_08: And that was a talk with legendary Hall of Fame jockey Jerry Burgess, and we'll be right back after these words to jump into the recap section here on Quarter Horse Racing Talk Weekly.
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- 36:57SPEAKER_11: Breaking news here in the Quarterhorse Racing World on Quarter Horse Racing Talk Weekly.
- 37:03SPEAKER_08: Alright, I would be remiss not to discuss one of the big topics in Quota Horse Racing right now, as it was announced that Riedosa Downs has announced that owners Johnny and Jenna Trotter have agreed on the framework with Global Gaming Solutions, the company that owns not only Remington Park but also Lone Star Park, to move the Quota Horse Racing Triple Crown series, the All-American Super Select sale and the Riadosa Hall of Fame to Lone Star Park in Grand Prairie, Texas beginning in 2027, which came out prior to the first night of the Riadosa Select sale.
- 37:43SPEAKER_08: And I feel that it had an impact on the outcome of how well the sale did.
- 37:48SPEAKER_08: Of course, it was strategic timing of placing that information out there to give the horsemen and the owners people willing to raise their hand and buy one at an auction, some kind of direction of possibly what might be happening in the near coming future as it pertains to the Triple Crown.
- 38:07SPEAKER_08: As they produce statements from both sides of the agreement, including the president and CEO of Global Gaming Solutions, mentioning that the parties are going to work to finalize a transaction in the coming weeks.
- 38:21SPEAKER_08: And this, of course, also being right on top of the opening of Lone Star Park for the 2026 Quarthorse Meet.
- 38:29SPEAKER_08: And since the news came out, I've probably had an equal share of positive and negative calls about that news brief, about what possibly could happen and possibly would not happen.
- 38:41SPEAKER_08: Of course, the thing that jumps right out is the length of period of time of the Lone Star meet with two existing graded stakes fiturities already existing at Lone Star Park and to fit the triple crown somewhere within that framework, it is the true question of how are they going to pull that off.
- 39:01SPEAKER_08: But I would almost assure you that there's just no way that either side would have gone into this as well as to have made this announcement in a news brief without having thought all of those things out, including the sale, which Lone Star Park has a sale facility, which is questionable of the size being able to handle what would come their way if the All-American Select sale would be conducted there on property, as well as the timing of the thoroughbred meet, which usually typically ends around the 20th or so of July, and that the fact that the quarter horse meet at Ratama Park is also conducted during that summer, running all the way into mid-August to late August in the state of Texas.
- 39:45SPEAKER_08: So as you can see, there's plenty of things to work out.
- 39:49SPEAKER_08: And while I was at Riedoso, I did invite Rick Baugh on, the general manager of Redosa Downs, and he'd mentioned that there was a non-disclosure agreement in place, but assured me that the news would be coming fairly soon about the plan of action and all of the details that they are needing to iron out.
- 40:09SPEAKER_08: A lot of those things would be able to be answered, but certainly now was not the time to be able to do that.
- 40:15SPEAKER_08: So that's something we can look forward to here on the podcast of inviting Rick to come on and discuss what it all would kind of look like, as well as maybe I can also get some of the folks from Lone Star Park on the podcast to kind of map out what that will be.
- 40:31SPEAKER_08: But if you're asking me, I think this is fantastic news.
- 40:35SPEAKER_08: It was clear that Riadosa Downs was not going to run races any longer, and if you were asking me where would be the most optimal place to take the triple crown to, Lone Star Park jumps right off the page.
- 40:50SPEAKER_08: And especially on a selfish note, it's right in my backyard.
- 40:53SPEAKER_08: So driving 40 minutes to Lone Star Park to come to these all of these events, versus going nine hours in a car westward to Riadosa Downs or over to Albuquerque, which is even further, that's a that's pretty much a no-brainer for me.
- 41:08SPEAKER_08: Sign me up for Lone Star Park, and if you think about it, if they can pull it off, and it actually does happen, and let's say they do contain all the faturities that we had discussed, the Triple Crown and the Texas Classic Faturity, and perhaps if they maintain the Dash or Cash Faturity.
- 41:25SPEAKER_08: But also in 2027, they're going to have the AQHA Challenge Championship there.
- 41:31SPEAKER_08: So if they pull it off, and if it does happen, I would be the first one to say that 2027's Lone Star Park meet is going to be the meat of meets.
- 41:42SPEAKER_08: It'll be one for the books, and that we'll be looking back upon and talking about.
- 41:46SPEAKER_08: I was there in 2027 when Lone Star Park became the center of the quarter horse racing universe.
- 41:52SPEAKER_08: So as mentioned, it's probably been one of the things I've received the most calls and the most text messages about within the last month, for sure.
- 42:01SPEAKER_08: And I'm glad to have discussed it here on Quarter Horse Racing Talk List, so let's get right into the recap section.
- 42:07SPEAKER_08: As we get right into the All-American Fraternity itself,$3 million on the line, two-year-olds going 440 yards, and there was several scratches in the race as the field went down to a field of eight.
- 42:22SPEAKER_08: And here's the call from track announcer Robert Fox.
- 42:34SPEAKER_07: Happy Fleming Bird from the Chili Gumma, Kimba Boys Fleming, is flumbling, Kimba boys flimming, numbing up the tank on the chili, gumma, drifting in the happy flumming bird on the twice pumpering, and the flooding is gonna flum! Kimba bomb is flooming, Texas Lightning stripes! Kimba boys flumming women's undefeated and wins the All-American Fraternity!
- 42:56SPEAKER_08: The 2026 All-American Fraternity winner was Cowboys Fleming, the two-year-old flying cowboy123 gilding out of the Carter's Cartel mare, Cartel's Lady, who was bred in the state of Texas by Dr.
- 43:08SPEAKER_08: Tommy Hayes and owned by Double J Racing, trained by Marco Gutierrez, and written to victory by Nestor Duran, as this gilding was a$53,000 purchase at the TQHA sale in 2025.
- 43:22SPEAKER_09: If we got anything right on this weekend, we definitely got this one right.
- 43:26SPEAKER_09: Uh to me, this was the best two-year-old this year before this race, and after the race, I don't even think there's a question.
- 43:35SPEAKER_09: I mean, he broke dead last and still comes down and puts two lanes on that field, and it was the fastest All-American ever.
- 43:43SPEAKER_09: So it was really impressive, and it was really cool to be there like to see the horse perform like that.
- 43:48SPEAKER_08: I was blown away in surprise by the horse's acceleration.
- 43:52SPEAKER_08: Um, you know, really by the first hundred yards, you thought the horse was beat.
- 43:56SPEAKER_08: I thought, uh, he's just not gonna get there, and then by half track.
- 44:00SPEAKER_08: I literally were saying to myself that, oh, they're just not going to catch him.
- 44:04SPEAKER_08: And uh it was just that quick he was to the front and that quickly he was drawing away.
- 44:09SPEAKER_08: And it was just an impressive, impressive victory.
- 44:12SPEAKER_08: And the horse is still undefeated.
- 44:14SPEAKER_08: There's just not a knock that you can give the horse.
- 44:16SPEAKER_08: I mean, he's just answered the call every single time something's been thrown in front of him.
- 44:21SPEAKER_08: And Yancey, I ran into Buddy Deville in the airport, and I pulled out the microphones and just grabbed a quick interview with him about the win in the All-American Faturity.
- 44:32SPEAKER_08: Co-winning owner of the All-American Faturity, Buddy DeVille.
- 44:35SPEAKER_08: Buddy, thanks for joining us here on the Quarter Horse Racing Talk podcast.
- 44:37SPEAKER_08: Buddy talked about this horse coming out of the big race.
- 44:40SPEAKER_08: How was he the next following morning?
- 44:43SPEAKER_05: We got up this morning naturally and we had to do our pictures and stuff.
- 44:46SPEAKER_05: So I got to see the horse early this morning.
- 44:48SPEAKER_05: He came out there to the midfield just happy as can be.
- 44:51SPEAKER_05: Um horse seems sound.
- 44:52SPEAKER_05: He ate all his food last night, drank his water, ate his hay this morning, the same thing.
- 44:57SPEAKER_05: We got him, got all his pictures taken and got the family out there.
- 45:00SPEAKER_05: We had a great morning, and we got him back, cleaned him up, watered him down, cooled him off, and um sent him on a trailer.
- 45:06SPEAKER_05: He's headed to Dr.
- 45:07SPEAKER_05: Hayes today and let Dr.
- 45:09SPEAKER_05: Hayes go over him and make sure we're 100%, you know, and try to figure out our next step.
- 45:14SPEAKER_05: You know, naturally we think the Texas classic is next for him, but a horse of this caliber, he don't owe us anything.
- 45:19SPEAKER_05: He's done a great job for us.
- 45:21SPEAKER_05: So we just want to make sure Doc goes over him, make sure he's a hundred percent before we make sure you know where our next move is and make sure we do the right thing about a horse, you know.
- 45:29SPEAKER_08: Going back to the beginning of the source, when did this horse really start showing that he was this kind of a horse?
- 45:34SPEAKER_08: I mean, was there indications from the folks that were breaking this horse or getting him down the racetrack for the first time that, hey, you got something here?
- 45:41SPEAKER_05: It's a heck of a story because the horse, when we bought him into sale, he went to my co-owner, you know, my partner, Jaime's house.
- 45:47SPEAKER_05: And Jaime has a track, round pin, and everything there.
- 45:50SPEAKER_05: And um, whenever we started working the babies, you know, I'd call Jaime, call me, and you know, some are horses in South Texas with Jose Lopez, and some of them's there at Jaime's.
- 45:59SPEAKER_05: And Jaime has Luis there, and they started once the horse started um galloping and stuff with a rider, they just always would say he was real laid back and kind of lazy, you know.
- 46:08SPEAKER_05: And then so the first time to work him, me and Jaime and Luis, I went to Houston and met him, and we went to the little track down the road about 20 miles out, and um put him in the gates by himself, you know, and he just came out kind of decent and had long strides, but he just never would get aggressive, never seemed aggressive.
- 46:25SPEAKER_05: Well, we did a couple, two or three breaks solo, and then whenever we put him with company, the little horse that um he was working with outbroke him.
- 46:33SPEAKER_05: And when she did, man, he it didn't he didn't like it.
- 46:36SPEAKER_05: He turned on and man, he went striding real up to her quick, you know, and actually it was just a work, so we slowed him down.
- 46:42SPEAKER_05: Well, after that, he just kept progressing.
- 46:44SPEAKER_05: Um, never he's never been a great gate horse.
- 46:47SPEAKER_05: I mean, if you look at all his races, the trials and the finals, he always breaks mid-pack.
- 46:52SPEAKER_05: He's never the first name, you know, to get called, but he um always comes down the track.
- 46:57SPEAKER_05: But when we seen him run in Houston the first time, we really got excited.
- 47:01SPEAKER_05: And, you know, all of us that have one of these things, all Americans always your dream, you know.
- 47:06SPEAKER_05: I mean, no matter what, you want to have one.
- 47:07SPEAKER_05: And it's just amazing that a lot of people in the sport that have done it tell you it's a feeling, it's such a feeling.
- 47:14SPEAKER_05: Well, they're not lying.
- 47:15SPEAKER_05: I've never been so nervous as I was yesterday.
- 47:17SPEAKER_05: I told my wife, I said, I don't think when I had my first child it got me just nervous.
- 47:21SPEAKER_05: So it was it's been a great ride with the horse.
- 47:23SPEAKER_05: Um, Dr.
- 47:24SPEAKER_05: Hayes, you know, he had that demand when we I think me and you talked about this before, but at the Texas sale, I asked him why I'd never seen one run.
- 47:30SPEAKER_05: And he said that always go out of state or go out of country.
- 47:33SPEAKER_05: And he said, I'd love to see one stay.
- 47:35SPEAKER_05: So we like the horse, and we was able to get him at a bargain price, we feel like, especially now, you know, and that's what I tell everybody that's new to the industry.
- 47:42SPEAKER_05: You don't have to have a$200,000 horse or a$400,000 horse.
- 47:45SPEAKER_05: If people that's looking into the sport, I'd really advise them to go to sales and see what they really can get a good animal for, you know.
- 47:52SPEAKER_08: And that leads us to the grade one All-American Derby.
- 47:55SPEAKER_08: Over a million dollars on the line, 440 yards for three-year-olds, and here's the call from Robert Fox.
- 48:02SPEAKER_07: They're running in the All-American Derby, and political twist shot out of the gates! Political twist, outbroke GFG sinful who's trying to get going.
- 48:12SPEAKER_07: Inside, we have effortless favorite, and then we have midnight smoking, but effortless favorite is surged! Effortless favorite political twist in the ultimate GFG Sinful Effortless Favorite wins the All-American Derby.
- 48:25SPEAKER_07: Then a photo of political twist.
- 48:27SPEAKER_07: GFG Sinful and Midnight Smokin'!
- 48:29SPEAKER_08: The Heritage Place Futurity winning effortless favorite comes home a winner for trainer Jason Olmsted and jockey Francisco Ramirez Jr.
- 48:38SPEAKER_08: in a time of 20.866 seconds for this favorite cartel gelding out of the Corona Cartel Mare swinging cartel, who was bred by Wallace Johnson and is owned by Bill and Tom Mayer, as well as Richard Tobin, as this gelding was a sixty-seven thousand dollar Heritage Place Yearling graduate of the 2024 Heritage Place Yearling sale.
- 48:59SPEAKER_09: I mean, this horse was 24-1 when they went to post, but it doesn't surprise me at all that Efferless favorite one.
- 49:07SPEAKER_09: This horse doesn't always win, but man, he's always there, and he is so strong on the end that I've always said that he's the 440 horse that you want.
- 49:18SPEAKER_09: It's just a matter if he's gonna catch catch them at the wire.
- 49:22SPEAKER_09: And he put it all together in the biggest derby of the year and and wins it.
- 49:27SPEAKER_09: And I've always been a super super fan of this horse, and I'm really glad that he got the win.
- 49:32SPEAKER_08: It just adds to an already bulky resume.
- 49:35SPEAKER_08: I mean, this horse is a grade one winner in the Heritage Place Futurity as a two-year-old, shared the victory, of course, in a dead heat, that came back and win the All-American Juvenile, and then comes and and steps up against an extremely tough field.
- 49:48SPEAKER_08: You know, this might go down to be one of those fields that in 10 years Yancey or I are putting together a documentary of of just this race and talking about how stacked this was.
- 49:59SPEAKER_08: You know, every single horse qualified with a sub-21 440.
- 50:04SPEAKER_08: The time was just no slouch itself.
- 50:07SPEAKER_08: Also, I told Jason when I was watching this race, I saw this horse and he just got way out of there.
- 50:13SPEAKER_08: And and I was waiting for them horses on the outside because, you know, you had such talent on the outside with uh GF She Senful and political twist.
- 50:23SPEAKER_08: I was waiting for them to make their appearance.
- 50:25SPEAKER_08: And literally about a hundred yards to go, that I just came to the realization they were just not going to catch that horse.
- 50:32SPEAKER_08: And and Francisco Romares ran a fantastic race on him.
- 50:36SPEAKER_08: It was his biggest win of his career.
- 50:38SPEAKER_08: It was the biggest win of of Jason Olmsted's career as well.
- 50:41SPEAKER_08: And I was able to get on the phone with winning trainer Jason Olmsted to talk about this talented three-year-old.
- 50:48SPEAKER_08: All right, on the phone with AQHA world champion trainer Jason Olmsted.
- 50:52SPEAKER_08: Jason, first off, congratulations for the big win in the derby.
- 50:55SPEAKER_08: Yes, thank you very much.
- 50:57SPEAKER_08: This horse, he's done so much in his career already so far.
- 51:00SPEAKER_08: He was deadheated in the grade one heritage place fiturity, comes back and wins the All-American Juvenile.
- 51:05SPEAKER_08: And now here you're sitting here with an All-American Derby win with this one.
- 51:09SPEAKER_03: Yeah, pretty special.
- 51:10SPEAKER_03: Uh, he's been one of them horses that's been ultra consistent his whole career.
- 51:16SPEAKER_03: Uh, every time we run him, he shows up.
- 51:18SPEAKER_03: I mean, pretty hard to fly him.
- 51:20SPEAKER_03: It was one of them deals where he was sitting on a big race, and one of these times it was going to be his turn.
- 51:26SPEAKER_03: And I was glad Sunday was his turn.
- 51:29SPEAKER_08: Jason, you I will say you are actually made different than a lot of people I run into.
- 51:34SPEAKER_08: But, you know, with these huge numbers that these horses ran to get into the trials, I mean, you're talking about the fastest field of all time as it pertains to the All-American Derby, whether it was all Albuquerque or Riodoso, you're sitting with horses that set setting records going into the finals coming out of the trials.
- 51:52SPEAKER_08: Talk about the mindset of just just sticking to what you know is right for this horse and just doing the you know, putting him in the best position possible to win.
- 52:02SPEAKER_03: I mean, it was it was a very stacked field from top to bottom, no doubt about it.
- 52:06SPEAKER_03: Uh West Giles is Philly setting a uh track record and an all-American trial record.
- 52:13SPEAKER_03: I mean, that was unreal.
- 52:15SPEAKER_03: I mean, it's one of them deals.
- 52:17SPEAKER_03: We qualified fourth fastest.
- 52:19SPEAKER_03: Our horse wasn't no slouch going into it or coming out of it.
- 52:22SPEAKER_03: Uh, fourth was very respectable.
- 52:24SPEAKER_03: You know, when you qualify ninth or tenth, you always wonder just how much you can improve.
- 52:29SPEAKER_03: But fourth is a legit spot to qualify.
- 52:32SPEAKER_03: So I couldn't take nothing away from him there.
- 52:35SPEAKER_03: Um, I'll tell you the thing that helped us the most was the three and a half, four weeks in between trials and finals.
- 52:41SPEAKER_03: This horse, he just got better every day.
- 52:43SPEAKER_03: That's the longest break he's had since we started him at Remington, and and it paid off.
- 52:49SPEAKER_08: So, Jason, with the win in the All-American Derby, that gives him a berth into the champion of champions.
- 52:55SPEAKER_08: Is that possible what is on tap for this champ very talented three-year-old?
- 53:00SPEAKER_03: No, his next out's gonna be in my pasture and about a five-acre lot.
- 53:04SPEAKER_03: He's gonna get a well-deserved vacation, and uh, we're gonna come back and hopefully just have a top-notch four-year-old that can have a long career age-wise and campaign-wise.
- 53:16SPEAKER_03: And our goal next year is to get him to the champion of champions.
- 53:20SPEAKER_03: And with what he's got in him and as sound as he is, and doing what he's done, maybe he's one of those horses that can qualify three or four years in a row.
- 53:30SPEAKER_08: That leads us to the next Grade One event there in Albuquerque, the Grade One All-American Oaks.
- 53:36SPEAKER_08: Nearly$700,000 is the purse for three-year-old Phillies going 440 yards, and here's Robert Fox.
- 53:44SPEAKER_07: They're running in the All-American Oaks.
- 53:47SPEAKER_07: Full Moon Desire came away well but drifted out.
- 53:50SPEAKER_07: Flying Joy One with speed, along with Beautiful Temptation in the inside.
- 53:55SPEAKER_07: Is Look at Me Z.
- 53:57SPEAKER_07: Flying Joy 1, Look at Me Z trying to run her down, and they're pulling clear of the others.
- 54:01SPEAKER_07: Far side trying to get back involved.
- 54:03SPEAKER_07: Beautiful temptation, full moon desire.
- 54:05SPEAKER_07: It's gonna be Flying Joy 1, the winner of the All-American Oaks.
- 54:08SPEAKER_07: Photo between Look at Me Z and Worrus C.
- 54:11SPEAKER_08: The Oklahoma Futurity winning Flying Joy 1 comes home a winner under jockey Ricky Ramirez in a time of 20.930 seconds for the 440 yards, as this Flying Cowboy 123 Philly out of the first moon flash mirror, Kylie Joy, was bred by Quadro JM LLC and is owned by David Rogers, and was trained by Trey Wood, and was a Heritage Place yearling graduate of 2024 that went through the sales ring for a$49,000 prize tag.
- 54:41SPEAKER_09: This was another big long shot on the day, Gray.
- 54:44SPEAKER_09: This one was 33 to 1 when they went to the gate, but it doesn't surprise me at all that Woods had this horse ready to go on the biggest day of our sport.
- 54:53SPEAKER_09: This is a world-class operation.
- 54:56SPEAKER_09: They continue to prove every year that when the big days come around in our sport, you're gonna have to outrun them.
- 55:02SPEAKER_09: And this horse, I mean, she won the Oklahoma Fraturity last year, and she also qualified to the Remington Fraternity, so she has shown a lot of talent as a two-year-old.
- 55:12SPEAKER_09: Hasn't really shown much up until this point this year, but like I said, Ricky Ramirez in the woods, it doesn't surprise me at all that they came up with a grade one winner on All-American Fraturity Weekend.
- 55:23SPEAKER_09: They just always seem to prove time and time again that on the biggest day you're gonna have to beat them.
- 55:29SPEAKER_08: Well, it's ironic you say that, Yancey, because in 2021 was the first win.
- 55:34SPEAKER_08: It was through a disqualification, but Whistle Stop Cafe was named the winner, so the Woods did pick up the victory there, as well as in 2024 with Tempting Scout, and now they come with Flying Joy 1, winning in 2026.
- 55:48SPEAKER_08: So in a matter of six years, they've won three out of the six coming out of the All-American Oaks.
- 55:55SPEAKER_08: So I know they want to win the big one on Labor Day, but you know, to win the grade one, any grade one there up in New Mexico on Labor Day weekend is just a wonderful treat.
- 56:04SPEAKER_08: And these guys have it really zeroed in on the Oaks and have really come out with a very impressive record of all the horses that they've gone to post with for this Philly race.
- 56:14SPEAKER_08: And Yancey, I was able to get on the phone with winning jockey, Ricky Ramirez to talk to him about this talented three-year-old Philly.
- 56:21SPEAKER_08: All right, on the phone with winning jockey, Ricky Ramirez, former world champion.
- 56:26SPEAKER_08: Ricky, it surprised a lot of people how well that horse ran there in the All-American Oaks.
- 56:31SPEAKER_01: Yeah, sure did, uh uh, Greg.
- 56:33SPEAKER_01: Uh, she just she ran a heck of a race, ran probably the biggest race of her life and whenever uh when it needed to be done.
- 56:40SPEAKER_08: What kind of indication did this horse give you that she was going to run that kind of a race?
- 56:44SPEAKER_01: You know, Greg, to be honest, going into the trials, I didn't think she could handle 440 yards.
- 56:51SPEAKER_01: She had it in the past, but in the trials, I mean, she ran a very, very good race.
- 56:57SPEAKER_01: It was actually closing at the end, and she wasn't 100% fit.
- 57:01SPEAKER_01: We kept trying to give her an out, kept trying to give her out during Albuquerque, and either the race wouldn't go or the race wouldn't feel, you know, etc.
- 57:09SPEAKER_01: But we had no choice but to give her a little prep work and we worked her nice and easy 330 to get her ready for these trials.
- 57:16SPEAKER_01: So I didn't think she was 100% fit, but man, she ran a heck of a trial race.
- 57:21SPEAKER_01: And I said, you know what, this this trial is gonna set her up good for the finals.
- 57:25SPEAKER_01: I if she ran a third or fourth, I'd be excited.
- 57:28SPEAKER_01: But man, she just ran a phenomenal race.
- 57:31SPEAKER_01: I mean, she ran, like you say, she it was a shock to all of us.
- 57:34SPEAKER_01: We were just very excited, and uh it's it's more or more exciting, I should say, to win with a long shot like that, especially a grade one race like like the All-American Oak.
- 57:45SPEAKER_08: Next up is the Grade One All-American Gold Cup,$250,000 on the line for three-year-olds and up, going 440 yards.
- 57:54SPEAKER_08: An extremely talented field here going postward as Robert Fox has the call.
- 58:00SPEAKER_07: They're running in the All-American Gold Cup.
- 58:03SPEAKER_07: Kitty Jimmy Desperado, a brilliant break.
- 58:06SPEAKER_07: Breaking right with Pimmer Dice Peyton.
- 58:08SPEAKER_07: Then he do bumble, then here comes Toast and Heroes.
- 58:12SPEAKER_07: And then we go back to Eagle on the June bug, and the FTD dreams just didn't come out good.
- 58:17SPEAKER_07: Pimmer ice peat has taken over late run from Toast and Heroes to get second.
- 58:21SPEAKER_07: Pimmered nice pig wins the All-American Gold Cup from Toast and Heroes.
- 58:25SPEAKER_07: Vinka J Desperado in a photo with, I believe, Eagle on the June bug.
- 58:30SPEAKER_08: The Mr.
- 58:30SPEAKER_08: Jet Moore stakes winner, Paradise Pete, comes home a winner here in the All-American Gold Cup under Jamaki Christian Cardenas for trainer David Barraza, as this flying cowboy 123 gelding out of the walkthrough Fire Mare Fire Specialist was bred and owned by Stephen Harris of Maryland, as Paradise Peak stopped the clock at a rapid 20.669 seconds for the 440 yards.
- 58:56SPEAKER_09: Yeah, Greg, Paradise Peak for me was the the biggest surprise on the weekend.
- 59:01SPEAKER_09: I mean, even though this horse went off at 6-1 when they went in the gate, but I said in the preview section that any horse in this race, you could probably make a case that they have a shot to win.
- 59:13SPEAKER_09: And I mean Paradise Pete just ran an amazing race.
- 59:17SPEAKER_09: With a hundred yards to go, I was like, man, he's got it.
- 59:20SPEAKER_09: And I don't think he's gonna be under anyone's radar anymore.
- 59:23SPEAKER_09: I'm really interested to see what the next step is with this horse, but I didn't think he was that quite that good a horse, but he definitely proved me wrong on final day.
- 59:34SPEAKER_08: As mentioned, yeah, he's won three in a row now.
- 59:36SPEAKER_08: It was an allowance event and then went into the greatest stakes, the Jet Moore, and then comes out a winner.
- 59:42SPEAKER_08: And it's saying saying something, Nancy, that this is the surprise of the weekend because Ricky Ramirez's All-American Oaks win on Trey Wood's Flying Joy one, I believe the horse was 33-1 going across the wire.
- 59:55SPEAKER_08: So to say that this was the upset of the weekend is saying something.
- 59:59SPEAKER_08: And you and I both went through an entire field of a bunch of grade one winners, and uh I got a chance to talk with the owner, Mr.
- 1:00:07SPEAKER_08: Stephen Harris, about this talented runner and about where he's going after this.
- 1:00:12SPEAKER_08: And just as you mentioned in your analysis of the race, Mr.
- 1:00:16SPEAKER_08: Harris explained exactly what he's planning on doing for the rest of the year with this talented runner.
- 1:00:22SPEAKER_08: All right, I'm on the phone with winning owner Stephen Harris, and Mr.
- 1:00:26SPEAKER_08: Harris is an oddity, if I would call it in quarter horse racing, because he you live in Maryland, right, Mr.
- 1:00:32SPEAKER_08: Harris?
- 1:00:32SPEAKER_06: And I do, I do.
- 1:00:34SPEAKER_08: Well, congratulations first off, are in order for the big win in the All-American Gold Cup.
- 1:00:40SPEAKER_08: Talk about this big win.
- 1:00:41SPEAKER_08: I mean, clearly you you listened to the podcast, so you there were so many horses that we could have gone over, and he was one that we didn't go over.
- 1:00:49SPEAKER_08: And so here we are with mud on our face, looking like we don't know what we're talking about with the winner here.
- 1:00:55SPEAKER_08: Uh, and weirdly, he was 3-1 going to post.
- 1:00:59SPEAKER_08: And so this horse I should have known about.
- 1:01:02SPEAKER_08: So tell us about this win.
- 1:01:04SPEAKER_06: Well, first of all, you know, thanks for having me on.
- 1:01:07SPEAKER_06: I appreciate you giving me a chance to uh to talk about it.
- 1:01:10SPEAKER_06: It it is um it's a little uh tough being out here on the east coast and and breeding horses out here and shipping them out and trying to get them trained and and and prepared for some of these races and uh to be able to compete with you know absolute toughest horses you know in the country.
- 1:01:28SPEAKER_06: So um it's it's definitely a challenge.
- 1:01:31SPEAKER_06: But um I fell in love with uh you know quarter horses and uh uh and and and got into the racing about uh in the late 90s and uh just been hooked ever since.
- 1:01:43SPEAKER_06: But um, yeah, this Colt um we bred him here on the farm and um you know we sent him out as a two-year-old.
- 1:01:51SPEAKER_06: Um he was with actually three different trainers during his two-year-old campaign, and uh I think he made sixteen hundred bucks.
- 1:01:59SPEAKER_06: He just we just couldn't get him going, but uh I felt that there was something there, and uh we sent him to New Mexico and and uh David Gomez has had him ever since, and uh and uh he's been getting better, you know, uh every year.
- 1:02:15SPEAKER_06: Um and as far as this race, you know, we'd won a couple of races uh before the uh All-American.
- 1:02:23SPEAKER_06: He he ran really good in an allowance, 400-yard allowance, uh daylighted the field there, and then uh we got him ready for the uh Mr.
- 1:02:32SPEAKER_06: Jet Moore, and uh of course we saw uh that uh there was some tough horses in there, particularly uh FTD Dreams.
- 1:02:41SPEAKER_06: And I says, Well, you know, this is gonna give this this this cold uh a heck of a challenge to see what he's about.
- 1:02:48SPEAKER_06: And you know, we we got it done there and uh paid him up into the um All-American, and uh I was shocked to see that uh they had him three to one.
- 1:02:58SPEAKER_06: Uh you know, with with the type of horses that were in there, you know, uh uh the horse Clint had, uh those two KJs.
- 1:03:05SPEAKER_06: Um there was just a lot of good horses in there, period.
- 1:03:08SPEAKER_08: Absolutely.
- 1:03:09SPEAKER_08: Many great one winners there.
- 1:03:11SPEAKER_06: So yeah, yeah.
- 1:03:12SPEAKER_06: So um, you know, I think uh you know the only thing I could hope for was that um he'd get out of the gates and and have a clear path and see what what he was about, and you know, you the rest is pretty much history.
- 1:03:25SPEAKER_08: You had mentioned to me after the win that you were looking to take the route in order to try to get him eligible to get into the champion of champions.
- 1:03:33SPEAKER_08: So talk about what's next for this horse.
- 1:03:35SPEAKER_06: Uh yeah, well what's next?
- 1:03:37SPEAKER_06: Uh you know, I talked with David yesterday and and we're definitely gonna uh nominate him into the uh championship there in Albuquerque.
- 1:03:46SPEAKER_06: I think that's uh October 4th, uh, and see how everything goes there.
- 1:03:51SPEAKER_06: And um if uh if we're if we have some success, uh then the plan is to get him out to California and and go for the uh champion of champions and see see how things are.
- 1:04:03SPEAKER_06: I I think he's capable.
- 1:04:05SPEAKER_06: He's running really good right now.
- 1:04:07SPEAKER_08: Looks like a horse that's coming to his own ride at the absolute perfect time, Mr.
- 1:04:11SPEAKER_08: Harrison.
- 1:04:12SPEAKER_08: I I totally agree.
- 1:04:14SPEAKER_08: That's that's my thinking.
- 1:04:15SPEAKER_08: Well, congratulations on the big win, and we look forward to seeing just what l lies ahead for this big grade one winner that you had that uh surprised a lot of people, I can tell you.
- 1:04:25SPEAKER_08: I wasn't the only person looking at my program after the horse was went past the wire and say, what did I miss in?
- 1:04:32SPEAKER_06: I don't know.
- 1:04:32SPEAKER_06: I've I've heard quite a bit of that the last couple of days.
- 1:04:35SPEAKER_06: Well, congratulations again.
- 1:04:37SPEAKER_06: Thank you so much.
- 1:04:38SPEAKER_06: I really appreciate it.
- 1:04:40SPEAKER_08: Last race to cover there in Albuquerque is the All-American Juvenile,$200,000 on the line.
- 1:04:47SPEAKER_08: The consolation for the All-American Futurity for two-year-olds going 440 yards, and here's Robert Fox.
- 1:04:53SPEAKER_07: They're ruining in the All-American Juvenile.
- 1:04:56SPEAKER_07: Telescalp broke well along with Fall Classic.
- 1:04:59SPEAKER_07: Inside we have Dangerous Jess, and in the outside pink camp comes Monday Golden Boy, Fall Classic, babbling with telescope inside Dangerous Jess is coming on strongly! Dangerous Jess takes over! Dangerous Jess to win the All-American Juvenile!
- 1:05:15SPEAKER_08: Dangerous Jess comes home a winner for the partnership of Jeremy Newton, Bill Robbins, Renee Wilson, and Connie Nobles for trainer Clint Crawford and was ridden to victory by Oscar Andrade Jr.
- 1:05:27SPEAKER_08: As this apolitical Jess Colt is out of the leaving memories mayor Dangerous Dawn and stopped the clock at 21.011 seconds there on Labor Day.
- 1:05:38SPEAKER_08: Now we're going to go out east, far eastern Kentucky, for the Boco Futurity, a$266,000 futurity for two year olds going 350 yards, and here's the call.
- 1:05:49SPEAKER_02: And we're off and running in the Boco Futurity Finals, drifting out wide on the break.
- 1:05:55SPEAKER_02: That was Relentless Friend who took Sandy Jackson, WRS free spirit, out there with him.
- 1:05:59SPEAKER_02: Not Joe.
- 1:06:00SPEAKER_02: Secret is showing speed to the inside.
- 1:06:01SPEAKER_02: Here's remember this kiss coming up the center of the track.
- 1:06:04SPEAKER_02: And keep on rolling one, two, three.
- 1:06:06SPEAKER_02: Keep on rolling one, two, three to the inside is going to win the Boco Futurity Final.
- 1:06:12SPEAKER_08: Keep on rolling one, two, three comes home a winner for trainer Ricardo Martinez, with Jockey Luis Vivanko aboard for owners Whiting Ranch and Raymond Whitmeyer, as his flying cowboy one, two, three gelding out of the Lotta PYC mare, Flashy Lotta, stopped the clock at 17.300 seconds for the 350 yards to come home a winner here, which also played host to the Bluegrass Derby, the$165,000 event for three-year-olds going 400 yards, and here's the call.
- 1:06:43SPEAKER_02: And we're up in racing in the first running of the Bluegrass Derby.
- 1:06:48SPEAKER_02: A good break up for Parajax on the inside.
- 1:06:51SPEAKER_02: AJ Remember Me is right there in between horses drifting out wide as train station tours.
- 1:06:56SPEAKER_02: It's AJ Remember Me.
- 1:06:58SPEAKER_02: Perageax to the far outside.
- 1:07:00SPEAKER_02: Bandita coming on strong.
- 1:07:01SPEAKER_02: AJ Remember Me alongside Parajax.
- 1:07:05SPEAKER_02: It was close for the win in the first running of the Bluegrass Derby.
- 1:07:09SPEAKER_08: The talented stakes winner AJ Remember Me came home a winner in the inaugural Bluegrass Derby.
- 1:07:15SPEAKER_08: This$120,000 Heritage Place yearling graduate is by a political jest out of the Trey Says Mare Remember Robin, who was bred by Rancho El Cabristo, owned by Karina Sosa, trained by Wayland Milton, and was ridden to victory by Cord Ben today in a time of 19.310 seconds for the 400 yards.
- 1:07:34SPEAKER_08: And that'll close out the recap section here on Quarter Horse Racing Talk Weekly, and we'll be right back with the preview section going into a big weekend out there at Los Alamitas.
- 1:07:45SPEAKER_14: The countdown is on.
- 1:07:54SPEAKER_14: September 16th through the 19th in Oklahoma City at Heritage Place, the place where champions are sold.
- 1:08:00SPEAKER_08: 42.
- 1:08:01SPEAKER_08: Now that's the number of yearlings consigned by Roboshow Ranch at the upcoming Heritage Place Yearling sale, and some of the nicest yearlings that they've ever brought north here to Oklahoma City.
- 1:08:13SPEAKER_08: So get over there and check them out at the Roboshow Ranch section there at Heritage Place.
- 1:08:18SPEAKER_08: As your next grade one winner sitting over there at Roboshow Ranch, waiting on you to take it home.
- 1:08:23SPEAKER_08: And you can go on to stallionesearch.com and look at the flip book with all those videos of the yearlings that they're coming north to Oklahoma City for the Heritage Place sale.
- 1:08:32SPEAKER_00: Alright, let's get back to the podcast.
- 1:08:34SPEAKER_08: Alright, we're back here in the preview section, a very talented field going forth in the grade one Mildred Vessels out there at Los Alamitas and Yancey.
- 1:08:44SPEAKER_08: One of the great things about this Philly and Mayor race is it's a win and you're in scenario for the winner going across the wire to get into this year's champion of champions.
- 1:08:54SPEAKER_08: And what a star-sided field we got going forth.
- 1:08:57SPEAKER_09: Yeah, Greg, I think this is one of the toughest fields that has come about in the last couple of years in the Millie vessels.
- 1:09:05SPEAKER_09: And the horse that I want to stop start with is the number six uh shaking going on.
- 1:09:12SPEAKER_09: This horse is trained by Eddie Willis.
- 1:09:14SPEAKER_09: She ran third in this race last year, but since that race, she has won five in a row, including the grade two Southern California Derby.
- 1:09:23SPEAKER_09: And then she's won two grade twos this year.
- 1:09:26SPEAKER_09: She won the Abigail Anna Nicola steak, and last time out won the Miss Princess steak.
- 1:09:33SPEAKER_09: And this horse just loves Los Alamitos.
- 1:09:35SPEAKER_09: Um, if I remember right, I'm pretty sure she's like eight for nine over the track.
- 1:09:40SPEAKER_09: And anytime she gets her chance to run against Phillies, she's really, really tough.
- 1:09:45SPEAKER_08: Yeah, and I would say Eddie's been very strategic about where this horse runs.
- 1:09:50SPEAKER_08: Uh, he he has definitely kept her in at her adequate distance.
- 1:09:54SPEAKER_08: They, you know, he had told us a couple episodes when we were highlighting some of the top horses running in the country, that shaking going on.
- 1:10:02SPEAKER_08: He thought maybe had a little bit of distance limitations, but he did say that he was pointing towards the Mille Vessels to see if he could qualify into the champion of champions with her.
- 1:10:14SPEAKER_08: I think if she steps up and runs a huge race here, I think that regardless of what distance they run, the champion of champions, most likely Eddie will go postward with her there.
- 1:10:24SPEAKER_08: I think she's definitely one of the most talented Phillies in the country right at the current moment, but she's certainly got her hands full because one of the horses that she's going to be staring down in the starting gate there is a Kentucky bread, bold and beautiful, out of the barn of Juan Aleman.
- 1:10:40SPEAKER_08: And this horse ran against the boys last time out, Deancy in the Los Alamitos Challenge Championship, the grade three event there at Los Alamitos, and beat the horses like Scoops Dynasty, going 440 yards.
- 1:10:52SPEAKER_08: So this horse loves the distance and it loves to be on the big stage because it certainly stepped up against a bunch of boys last time out.
- 1:11:01SPEAKER_08: Ran second in the Abigail Quantanakoa behind shaking going on, but I feel that these two are going to be right there.
- 1:11:08SPEAKER_08: But there's certainly some other horses to contend with.
- 1:11:11SPEAKER_09: Absolutely, Greg.
- 1:11:12SPEAKER_09: I love that they gave this horse the chance to run 440 last time out.
- 1:11:17SPEAKER_09: This race is a little shorter, 400 yards, but bold and beautiful is a really strong finisher, and I definitely think she'll be one to beat.
- 1:11:25SPEAKER_09: Another one that we have to talk about in this race, though, is right next to him as well, and that's beautiful.
- 1:11:31SPEAKER_09: Um Beautiful has four starts, three wins on the year, including her win in the Los Alamitos Oaks earlier this year.
- 1:11:38SPEAKER_09: Uh she ran third in the Rainbow Oaks.
- 1:11:41SPEAKER_09: I mean, and this horse has just been super impressive her whole career.
- 1:11:44SPEAKER_09: She ran fourth in the Los Al two million last year.
- 1:11:48SPEAKER_09: She was a winner of the kindergarten fraternity last year.
- 1:11:51SPEAKER_09: And when she's on her game, it is super hard to beat her, no matter if it's against Phillies or if she's running against the boys.
- 1:11:58SPEAKER_09: So I almost think Beautiful might be the favorite going into the race.
- 1:12:02SPEAKER_08: Wow, really?
- 1:12:03SPEAKER_08: I would almost think Shagan going on is going to be the favorite going into the race.
- 1:12:07SPEAKER_08: Uh, especially facing all these graded stakes winners.
- 1:12:10SPEAKER_08: I don't know.
- 1:12:10SPEAKER_08: It it seems like a pretty steep hill to climb.
- 1:12:13SPEAKER_08: I realize probably their situation, they're wanting to get this horse possibly into the champion of champions, and this is certainly that avenue to do that.
- 1:12:22SPEAKER_08: But you're gonna have to face horses not only like those two we mentioned, but what about rocking with energy?
- 1:12:27SPEAKER_08: A grade one winner this year of the the Charger Bar earlier in the year ran a horrible race in the Denim and Diamonds last time out, but it is a bona fide grade one winner that uh Beautiful's gonna have to contend with in this race, uh, facing all old horses other than herself as being the only three-year-old in the in the field, but certainly capable.
- 1:12:48SPEAKER_08: Don't get me wrong, I think that uh anybody that has seen Beautiful really lock in on the racetrack and pull away from the rest of the field and some of those races that she's run thus far has to contend and say that she is she's a freak, really.
- 1:13:02SPEAKER_08: She's when she runs her race, it's just it's so impressive.
- 1:13:06SPEAKER_08: But she's gonna have to run that quality of a race, Yancy, in order to beat a horse like Bold and Beautiful and shaking going on, or even rocking with energy in that matter, Brett.
- 1:13:15SPEAKER_08: All right, now that same weekend as the Millie Vessels, we are going to have the PC QHRA Breeders Faturity, a grade two event for two-year-olds,$300,000 on the line, 350 yards, and the two standouts that I'm seeing, Yancy, are are right at the top of the qualifiers list.
- 1:13:32SPEAKER_09: Yeah, the fastest qualifier, C V FDD Dynasty Shan.
- 1:13:37SPEAKER_09: Uh, this horse is already a grade one winner.
- 1:13:39SPEAKER_09: It was the winner of the Ed Burke Faturity earlier this year.
- 1:13:42SPEAKER_09: Takes a perfect four for four record into the finals.
- 1:13:46SPEAKER_09: This horse looked really good on trial day.
- 1:13:48SPEAKER_09: Um, like I said, he's already won a grade one.
- 1:13:50SPEAKER_09: He'll go into the race as a favorite and definitely is the horse to beat going into the finals.
- 1:13:56SPEAKER_08: A Mexico bred as well from south of the border.
- 1:13:59SPEAKER_08: Something you don't see all the time in this big great estates races, but this is certainly a horse's bred to be in this position.
- 1:14:06SPEAKER_08: And that also leads us to the second fastest qualifier, a heritage place yearling graduate of nuclear arsenal.
- 1:14:13SPEAKER_09: This is the third place runner in the Ed Burke.
- 1:14:15SPEAKER_09: Um after the Ed Burke, he kind of had a few races where you were like, eh, he ran second in an allowance, two starts back to top shot, which is a qualifier in this race.
- 1:14:27SPEAKER_09: But on trial day, this was the most impressive trial win to me.
- 1:14:31SPEAKER_09: Um his mom, thermal nuclear energy, was a super runner when she was running.
- 1:14:36SPEAKER_09: And I think if this horse runs back to his trial effort, he'll definitely be a horse to beat in the finals.
- 1:14:42SPEAKER_08: Alright, that leads us down to Texas or opening weekend, and usually on opening weekend they have the Dr.
- 1:14:48SPEAKER_08: Glenn Blodgett stakes, a grade three event.
- 1:14:51SPEAKER_08: For accredited Texas Breads, three-year-olds and up, going 350 yards for a$50,000 purse, and there's an absolute standout in this race in the name of Blood's value and policy.
- 1:15:01SPEAKER_09: Yeah, Greg, I really like this horse.
- 1:15:04SPEAKER_09: She just, every time she runs, she's a rocket ship from the gate, and she's put together quite the little resume.
- 1:15:10SPEAKER_09: She has five starts, four wins on the year.
- 1:15:13SPEAKER_09: And one thing that I wrote down is in her last two races, she had a 103 speed index and a hundred and six speed index.
- 1:15:22SPEAKER_09: So this Philly can fly, and if she runs her race, I don't think they're gonna beat her.
- 1:15:27SPEAKER_08: Without a doubt, except she's the three-year-old up against the older horses, and we'll see how she it all shakes out there in Texas as they open the weekend of racing to start the meet of 2026, and we'll be right back after these words as we close out the preview section for this week's Quarter Horse Racing Talk Weekly.
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- 1:16:22SPEAKER_08: Alright, that's all the time we have for this episode of Quarter Horse Racing Talk Weekly.
- 1:16:26SPEAKER_08: I hope you enjoyed this one as much as I enjoyed bringing it to you.
- 1:16:31SPEAKER_08: Another all-American Futurity weekend in the bag.
- 1:16:34SPEAKER_08: We can all breathe a little bit easier.
- 1:16:36SPEAKER_08: It came off with pretty much without a hitch, as well as the brand new Boco Futurity and Bluegrass Derby going off without a hitch.
- 1:16:44SPEAKER_08: It was a great time there in Kentucky.
- 1:16:46SPEAKER_08: And with all the news about everything that's transitioning into the quarter horse racing industry that's gone on the last couple months, it can be viewed as either strange times in the quarter horse world or very interesting times.
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