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Hollywood sex abuse showdown with Mom: Corey Haim's mom disputes Corey Feldman's claim · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: But these parents stunned when they discover that there son
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Speaker 1: ends up dead at a Florida State University pledge party.
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Speaker 1: Oh no, uh ah, I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime
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Speaker 1: Stories and I want justice. I want justice for this boy,
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Speaker 1: Andrew Coffee now dead. To Crime Stories investigative reporter Larry
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Speaker 1: may Her, Tell me, Larry what happened. There was a
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Speaker 1: party for members and pledges of the fraternity, which is
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Speaker 1: pie cap of five. Now, that fraternity could not have
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Speaker 1: the party at its own house because alcohol had been
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Speaker 1: banned from that house by the national Fraternity because of abuse.
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Speaker 1: So the the officers of the fraternity rented a house
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Speaker 1: and had their party off campus. As Coffee and the
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Speaker 1: other pledges arrived, each was handed a full bottle of
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Speaker 1: liquor and was informed that he would drink the entire
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Speaker 1: thing before the end of the party. Andrew Coffee was
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Speaker 1: unconscious by the end of the party and had to
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Speaker 1: be carried back to the fraternity house. He was left
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Speaker 1: on a sofa overnight. The next morning, a fellow pledge
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Speaker 1: found him unconscious on the sofa, could not find a pulse,
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Speaker 1: and he was later pronounced you know, wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, I'm having a flashback, Larry Maher to
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Speaker 1: the recent Penn State hazing death of just a fantastic
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Speaker 1: young boy who was a scholar and a football player.
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Speaker 1: The works his parents just you know, what can you say?
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Speaker 1: Dr Bethany Marshall, psychoanalysts joining me from l A, along
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Speaker 1: with forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan, professor for Eazic's at
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, Alan the Duke Duke in l A,
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Speaker 1: Jackie Howard here in the studio with me, Dr Bethany,
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Speaker 1: um I I can't even imagine coming home and they're
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Speaker 1: not be a John David or Lucy to to to
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Speaker 1: look forward to. I mean, Dr Bethany, maybe it's me,
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Speaker 1: but I look so forward to them getting home from
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Speaker 1: school and planning their supper. And I mean going to
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Speaker 1: John David's basketball games and Lucy's soccer games. I mean, honestly,
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Speaker 1: maybe this is wrong, but it's what I live for,
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Speaker 1: of course. And imagine if they weren't there, It's like
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Speaker 1: your your bloodline, your reason to to live would be gone.
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Speaker 1: But not only that, Nancy, imagine they're in a fraternity
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Speaker 1: or a sorority. Somebody hands them a bottle of lick
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Speaker 1: her by the next morning they have severe alcohol poisoning.
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Speaker 1: Not only not only do you lose your child, but
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Speaker 1: you think about their helplessness, what their final hours were
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Speaker 1: like that these fraternities. The hazing ritual is just an
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Speaker 1: excuse for abuse. I mean some I think you and
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Speaker 1: I talk about having accurate language on this show, Like
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Speaker 1: instead of talking about sexual harassment, just call it rape,
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Speaker 1: instead of calling it hazing, call it abuse, call it sadism,
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Speaker 1: call it homicidal. And so just to blat out mean
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Speaker 1: and evil, to give a young person, a young boy,
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Speaker 1: a whole however big the alcohol bottle was and say
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Speaker 1: drink it or else. And I mean, what about peer pressure?
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Speaker 1: Dr Bethany Marshall, I mean that the reason all these
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Speaker 1: little girls are starving themselves and and people are trying
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Speaker 1: drug it is an alcohol to fit in, or getting
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Speaker 1: body pierces or tattoos so they can fit. You know,
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Speaker 1: why is that so important? I don't think I ever
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Speaker 1: fit in one time, Nancy. I have I have a
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Speaker 1: niece who um raised by very faith oriented Christian parents,
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Speaker 1: never drank alcohol. Hey hey, hey, don't drag Jesus in
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Speaker 1: for this, okay, but she had a very very good upbringing, okay, Bethany, Bethanie,
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Speaker 1: hold on, I'm channeling my grandmother Lucy right now, who
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Speaker 1: was the ultimate teetotaler. And I would love to say
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Speaker 1: this to her as a well. Actually I didn't because
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Speaker 1: I knew she would get after me with a Do
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Speaker 1: you know what a switch is. It's a very alan
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Speaker 1: You know what a switch is. It's a very thin
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Speaker 1: little piece of branch off a tree. And she would
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Speaker 1: get after me with a switch, and I know I
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Speaker 1: would fill it on the back of my legs. I
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Speaker 1: really only remember it one time when I got near
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Speaker 1: a busy thoroughfare without her holding my hand. That's the
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Speaker 1: only time I got the switch on the back of
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Speaker 1: the legs, but I always thought I might Alan, do
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Speaker 1: you're there? You know what a switch is? Absolutely I've
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Speaker 1: had to pick many of my own. Oh yeah, you
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Speaker 1: have to go get your own switch. I got good
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Speaker 1: at finding the small weak ones. Now wait, wait, how
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Speaker 1: did I get onto switches? What were we talking about?
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Speaker 1: Wait a minute. A niece who went okay, oh yeah, right,
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Speaker 1: and my brother, who was the pot stir, would say,
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Speaker 1: but Mama, that's my grandmother. Jesus first miracle was turning
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Speaker 1: water into wine, and that would throw her into a fit.
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Speaker 1: But she finally came up with a comeback and it
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Speaker 1: was it wasn't fermented. Okay, you know what, So back
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Speaker 1: to your friends, go ahead, Dr Beth. Okay. So, so
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Speaker 1: my niece goes to her first year of college, has
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Speaker 1: never had alcohol. All of her um roommates decided to
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Speaker 1: go to a party. They hand her a bottle of
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Speaker 1: vodka and she's never really had any alcohol in her
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Speaker 1: whole life, and they tell her it's a good idea
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Speaker 1: to just take swiggs. So she starts swinging from it,
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Speaker 1: not not even realizing how high the alcohol content was.
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Speaker 1: The next thing she remembers, she wakes up on the
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Speaker 1: sidewalk in the middle of the night and she called
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Speaker 1: me in a panic the next morning, and I was
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Speaker 1: actually taping your show when I got the call. So
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Speaker 1: a couple few years ago, and I drove straight to
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Speaker 1: her college was like a four hour drive. I picked
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Speaker 1: her up, I took her to the e R. And
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Speaker 1: it wasn't even just peer pressure. It was not knowing
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Speaker 1: how when you drink hard alcohol, that's a d proof.
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Speaker 1: You can drink very little before you get drunk. And
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Speaker 1: so these kids are not even prepared to know how
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Speaker 1: to handle alcohol when they come into these situations. And
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Speaker 1: it's been devastating for our family. We can't imagine. It's
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Speaker 1: many years have passed, but the idea that she was
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Speaker 1: lying on the sidewalk, that people abandoned her, that I
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Speaker 1: had to take her to the e er, that she
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Speaker 1: was humili aided, that she had to live down her
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Speaker 1: reputation at the college, all of that has been devastating.
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Speaker 1: So times that by a thousand and your child dies
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Speaker 1: and I can't even imagine what these parents are going through.
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Speaker 1: Joe's got Morgan I want to follow up on what
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Speaker 1: Dr Bethany is talking about and what Larry Mayheer is
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Speaker 1: telling us. How much does it take for you to
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Speaker 1: get alcohol poisoning? Well, the let's let's start off with
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Speaker 1: just baseline Nancy. In most states, uh, legal drunk is
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Speaker 1: point zero eight. Uh. And this kid at one point
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Speaker 1: night during the night was they believe, was as high
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Speaker 1: as point five five and start to get up into
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Speaker 1: into the life threatening area if you're right, at about
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Speaker 1: the point three levels. So this kid had blown the
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Speaker 1: roof off at this point in time. By the time
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Speaker 1: they did the drew the blood for autopsy, it had
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Speaker 1: dropped down uh two point four uh some odds. So
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Speaker 1: this kid for for seven, which is point four five,
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Speaker 1: which is still considered a point five's toxic. It is
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Speaker 1: absolutely toxic. And that's what we call it in forensics.
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Speaker 1: We call it acute acute alcohol toxicity or poisoning. And
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Speaker 1: to be forced to drink this and uh, it doesn't
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Speaker 1: matter if he had had, you know, a steak dinner
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Speaker 1: with us two sides of potatoes, it wouldn't have been
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Speaker 1: enough to absorb this amount, this volume of alcohol he's
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Speaker 1: taken on board. It is at the end of the day,
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Speaker 1: incompatible with life. And it's a horrible way to die. Uh.
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Speaker 1: You know, this kid would have been experiencing horrible waves
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Speaker 1: of nausea, disorientation. Um. Just this Uh, it's not even
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Speaker 1: a euphoric feel um. And he he actually blacked out
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Speaker 1: at some point in talk and is found dead. And again,
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Speaker 1: Dr Bethany, I've told you this story before. When I
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Speaker 1: went away to college, my parents dropped me off, well,
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Speaker 1: they helped me move my stuff into the room and
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Speaker 1: they left. I was just standing there. I knew nobody.
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Speaker 1: I need one boy in a boy's dorm across campus
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Speaker 1: from my hometown. That was it. And then I went
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Speaker 1: into a woman from my hometown and she got me
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Speaker 1: to come to a get together and I ended up
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Speaker 1: joining her sorority. And I was in that sorority for
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Speaker 1: about a year until I transferred to go be with
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Speaker 1: my fiance, Keith, who was later murdered. But when I
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Speaker 1: was in Adpie, which I picked up my senior year.
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Speaker 1: By the way, they befriended me at my new school,
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Speaker 1: and we're really very kind to me. There was no drinking.
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Speaker 1: There was They would send me violets, they would send
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Speaker 1: me little cards. They would come to my dormy when
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Speaker 1: seeing at pledging time, we would have a little oh surprise,
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Speaker 1: we're taking about six in the morning for pancake breakfast.
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Speaker 1: There was nothing like this. So I don't want to
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Speaker 1: say all Greek is bad because that's not true. Well,
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Speaker 1: but but your sorority was so innocent and loving, and
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Speaker 1: it's what a sorority is supposed to be. That's why
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Speaker 1: I say the accurate language of that. This wasn't a
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Speaker 1: hazing or even a fraternity. This is a sort of
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Speaker 1: a cult of abuse. I mean that that's a better
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Speaker 1: way to think of it. Um, but it sounds like
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Speaker 1: you had such a lovely sorority experience. Well, I did
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Speaker 1: have one bad experience. What was that? Okay? With a
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Speaker 1: d pie Okay, Okay, I didn't get to actually join
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Speaker 1: my first corner because I was spotted kissing a boy
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Speaker 1: on the m O U t H trying to dance floor.
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Speaker 1: But Dr Bethany, I mean he had just did and
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Speaker 1: he had just done an Elvis impersonation, and he's saying, Um,
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Speaker 1: I can't help falling in love with you, But what
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Speaker 1: could I do? I kiss him? Okay, So you know anyway, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that kiss on the dance floor. That did it? Okay,
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Speaker 1: I was not allowed to be a real sister for
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Speaker 1: another three months. I want to go back to Larry mayheer, guys,
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Speaker 1: another young boy who is just the keys is just
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Speaker 1: cute as a button. This kid, Andrew Coffee, found dead,
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Speaker 1: as Joe Scott Morgan was describing, with a blood alcohol
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Speaker 1: just toxic a point four four seven. And I'm looking
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Speaker 1: at his picture and he's just so happy and smiling.
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Speaker 1: It looks like he's at some get together. And you
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Speaker 1: know there were all there's already trouble. But when you
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Speaker 1: know that you're the party has been moved off campus
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Speaker 1: for what. Back to Larry may Her Crime Stories investigative reporter,
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Speaker 1: Is it true, Larry that as of right now, nine
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Speaker 1: f s U Florida State fraternity brothers face hazing charges
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Speaker 1: in the death of Andrew Coffee, a young pledge found
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Speaker 1: with a blood alcohol level five times the legal limit.
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Speaker 1: That's f s U. Tell me, yes, there have been
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Speaker 1: nine members of this fraternity arrested. Their arrange an age
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Speaker 1: from twenty which means some of them are under age
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Speaker 1: themselves to twenty two, and eight of them are members
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Speaker 1: of the fraternity house Executive Council, which is the governing
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Speaker 1: body that organized this particular event. One of them is
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Speaker 1: the so called big brother, the sponsor of the pledge,
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Speaker 1: who is a charge with giving him the alcohol, which
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Speaker 1: in this case was more than one proof bourbon um.
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Speaker 1: That's a particularly potent mixture to be giving someone who
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Speaker 1: did in a minute, the big brother was involved. Dr
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall Um, Yes, I was reading my husband's text.
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Speaker 1: I was just trying to text one of our mutual
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Speaker 1: friend's happy birthday, and I to this day saw a
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Speaker 1: text from his quote big brother in his fraternity Okay,
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Speaker 1: I guess I don't know what this means, but they're
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Speaker 1: trading big green egg recipes and photos of like smoked
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Speaker 1: salmon and chicken and turkeys. So you know, those are
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Speaker 1: supposed to be friendships that are forged that last a lifetime.
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Speaker 1: This is supposed to be the person who backs you up,
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Speaker 1: who protects you, who helps you have good judgment, who's
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Speaker 1: a little bit older, who's sort of like a a
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Speaker 1: guide through college. And yet his big brother ended up
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Speaker 1: being his captor, his abuser, his torture. I don't I
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Speaker 1: don't know what other language to use, but it you know, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: when men kill often you have like an older sociopathic
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Speaker 1: male who recruits younger members. That does often the group psychology.
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Speaker 1: So I would be interested to know once all the
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Speaker 1: interviews take place, like what was the psychology of that fraternity,
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Speaker 1: I mean, who was the ringleader, whose idea was this,
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Speaker 1: who purchased the liquor, you know what, who was influencing whom.
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Speaker 1: Not that it really matters. I mean, a kid is
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Speaker 1: dead and that is tragic, but I think that we
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Speaker 1: could learn a lot through like maybe even having transcripts
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Speaker 1: of the interviews and figuring out what the psychology is
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Speaker 1: so that we can prevent this in the future. Nancy,
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Speaker 1: I can actually address some of those The grand jury
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Speaker 1: report states that this big brother ritual of handing the
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Speaker 1: model of the liquor to the pledge was the purpose
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Speaker 1: of this event. That all of the pledges, and there
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Speaker 1: were more than twenty of them who arrived at the
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Speaker 1: event a bottle of liquor from their big brother, and
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Speaker 1: their big brothers had gone through the same thing when
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Speaker 1: they were pledges. This is a tradition with this particular fraternity,
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Speaker 1: which might help explain why it had already been banned
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Speaker 1: from serving alcohol. As far as seeing the transcripts of
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Speaker 1: the interviews, there aren't going to be very many because
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Speaker 1: most members of the fraternity refused to um cooperate with
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Speaker 1: the investigation and very few of them were actually interviewed
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Speaker 1: during the course of the investigation. Okay, that's not good.
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Speaker 1: Justice got more. Gunn Forensics expert Jacksonville State University Professor Forensics.
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Speaker 1: What have you learned from the grand jury? I think
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Speaker 1: one of the most poignant things for me was a
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Speaker 1: letter that was sent in UH from the family that
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Speaker 1: was quite striking in this case, and it really painted
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Speaker 1: a a picture of a young man that was loved
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Speaker 1: by his parents, that had his entire future laid out
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Speaker 1: for him. I can tell you what what is not
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Speaker 1: fully stated in there that we are all too aware
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Speaker 1: of now is that there is a culture I think
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Speaker 1: is Dr Bethany pointed out of almost sadistic behavior at
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Speaker 1: this fraternity. I find it very curious that they had
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Speaker 1: to go, as was earlier stated, to an off site
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Speaker 1: location UH to facilitate this, to have this go on, well,
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Speaker 1: there has been one development, guys. In addition to two
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Speaker 1: other frattorneys being banned from campus because of illegal hazing
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Speaker 1: a lifeline law. A lifeline law in the way of
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Speaker 1: another deadly hazing case, this time at f s U.
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Speaker 1: Nine f SU students charged with felony is accusing them
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Speaker 1: of encouraging under age drinking and hesitating to call nine
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Speaker 1: one one when this boy, Andrew Coffee was found the
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Speaker 1: next morning without a pulse. Now did they hesitate to
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Speaker 1: call nine one one because they were afraid of repercussion?
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Speaker 1: If that's true, there is a big change the state
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Speaker 1: of Florida could possibly make. They're called lifeline laws, and
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Speaker 1: many states across the country now promise immunity from legal
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Speaker 1: punishment if somebody calls nine one one during a health emergency,
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Speaker 1: even if that emergency is caused by illegal activity such
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Speaker 1: as under age drinking. Over half the states in our
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Speaker 1: country have laws likens lifeline laws, or they're in the
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Speaker 1: middle of getting them. Florida is not one of them,
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Speaker 1: but now um University of South Florida and others have
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Speaker 1: passed new policies with that that goal in mind. Life
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Speaker 1: line laws sometimes called medical amnesty policies. Tell me where
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Speaker 1: it stands right now. To Larry Maher Crime Stories investigative reporter,
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Speaker 1: there charged with multiple felonies. What's going to happen next?
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Speaker 1: The nine have all made court appearances in two different
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Speaker 1: courts that have jurisdiction over the Florida State campus, six
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Speaker 1: in one county and three and another and uh they
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Speaker 1: they are in the process of preparing for the trial
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Speaker 1: unless there are um as was the case at Florida
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Speaker 1: A and M, unless there are a number of guilty
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Speaker 1: pleas that are elicited during the course of the pre
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Speaker 1: trial motion. Let me pause in our investigation into this
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Speaker 1: death of a wonderful young boy at Florida State University
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Speaker 1: going to all the bars, in the restaurants in the area.
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Speaker 1: Where did the two go? Do they have a ag
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Speaker 1: for a car, any identification, any description of this guy?
24:06
Speaker 1: But then the investigation took a very different turn. Visten Hill,
24:11
Speaker 1: private investigator. When you learn a young lady has disappeared
24:15
Speaker 1: from a bar with an unidentified man, much like what
24:18
Speaker 1: happened to Natalie Holloway, what's the first thing you do? Well,
24:22
Speaker 1: that's exactly right, And until you want to pull Sir Vanlance.
24:25
Speaker 1: You want to talk to witnesses. You want to try
24:27
Speaker 1: to get a description of this individual. You want to
24:29
Speaker 1: go to her best friend and get that description. You know,
24:33
Speaker 1: and the day and age that we're in now, Nancia
24:35
Speaker 1: wouldn't be unlikely that she would have taken a picture
24:38
Speaker 1: of this individual to say this is the guy she
24:40
Speaker 1: left with. Because I don't know too many twenty one
24:43
Speaker 1: year olds that let their eighteen year old best friend
24:45
Speaker 1: just haul off with a complete stranger without getting some
24:49
Speaker 1: type of evidence of it in this day and age.
24:52
Speaker 1: So long story short, the police not only have to
24:56
Speaker 1: beat the streets and interview witnesses, go from bar to bar,
24:59
Speaker 1: rest front to restaurant. They also have to do a
25:02
Speaker 1: social media investigation. Now, how do you do that, Vincent Hill,
25:07
Speaker 1: when you don't have the girl's cell phone? Well, yeah,
25:10
Speaker 1: social media is public to everybody. There's no expectation of
25:14
Speaker 1: privacy on social media. Again with the with the millennials
25:17
Speaker 1: of this day and age. I always tell my kids
25:20
Speaker 1: that things you're doing now I did twenty five years ago.
25:22
Speaker 1: I just did it better because I couldn't post it.
25:25
Speaker 1: So everything is posted, Everything is traceable. Even when you
25:28
Speaker 1: think you deleted it, it's still out there because it
25:31
Speaker 1: may be on someone's wall. So investigators now are using
25:35
Speaker 1: things like Facebook, Twitter to actually solve crime. I mean,
25:39
Speaker 1: the two girls have been at a so called house party,
25:42
Speaker 1: which is you know, in a friend's home, So every
25:44
Speaker 1: single person in that house party had to be trucked
25:47
Speaker 1: down and interviewed. I like Vincent Hill says, looking for
25:51
Speaker 1: surveillance video around the neighborhoods, in bars and restaurants, looking
25:56
Speaker 1: at bus schedules, the works, trying to figure out how
26:01
Speaker 1: this team girl ends up strangled dead by a dump
26:05
Speaker 1: and what a way to dispose of a body. To
26:08
Speaker 1: Dr Carroll Lieberman, renowned psychiatrist and m D. What does
26:14
Speaker 1: it tell you that the dead teen girl's body had
26:20
Speaker 1: been discarded by a dump? Well, it says that the
26:24
Speaker 1: person who killed her um had a lot of anger,
26:28
Speaker 1: had a lot of you know, wanted to put her
26:31
Speaker 1: in the most disgusting place possible. You know what, Alexis
26:34
Speaker 1: torres check writer online dot Com. I think she's right.
26:38
Speaker 1: I think Dr Carroll Lieberman is right. I remember the
26:42
Speaker 1: outrage when Kelley Anthony's body was found double bag like
26:46
Speaker 1: it was trash and thrown by the side of the road.
26:49
Speaker 1: It's very, very indicative of the way the perpetrator feels
26:55
Speaker 1: about the victim to to throw them away like their trash. Alexis, well,
26:59
Speaker 1: and that's a man found the body and he said,
27:02
Speaker 1: you know, he found her. She was cold and she
27:04
Speaker 1: was just dumped on the side of the road. Visit
27:07
Speaker 1: Hill private investigator. You have saying you're fair share of
27:13
Speaker 1: discarded bodies. What does it say to you that the
27:17
Speaker 1: killer dumped the girl's body by by a waste disposal
27:23
Speaker 1: and unfortunately, Lee, Nancy, I have seen my fair share,
27:26
Speaker 1: and you know it tells me a that they really
27:29
Speaker 1: didn't care about uh this individual and be hoping that
27:33
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be found because how often are these locations checked?
27:38
Speaker 1: Right unless the trash man is coming by to pick
27:41
Speaker 1: up the trash or two dump trash, these areas are
27:45
Speaker 1: not often checked. And it's not somewhere police would suspect
27:50
Speaker 1: to go look for a body. Then the investigation took
27:53
Speaker 1: a surprising twist. Alexis Torres chuck writer online dot com.
27:58
Speaker 1: What happened? So her best friend, Britney's best friend, posted
28:04
Speaker 1: a picture of the two of them on Facebook, saying Gosh,
28:07
Speaker 1: where are you? I miss you so much. I hope
28:09
Speaker 1: you're safe. Please come home, And then she posted a
28:12
Speaker 1: selfie of herself a little while later, an investigators noticed
28:15
Speaker 1: that the selfie that she had posted, she had on
28:18
Speaker 1: a belt, which was the same belt that was found
28:21
Speaker 1: by Britney's body, a belt spotted by police on a selfie.
28:27
Speaker 1: The selfie seems to be the key to cracking this case.
28:32
Speaker 1: Have you seen the photo? I have? Have you seen
28:35
Speaker 1: the photo? Alexis? Yes, and she's it's a very typical
28:39
Speaker 1: to me teenage selfie. You know, the girl is standing
28:42
Speaker 1: in the mirror holding up her phone post to the side,
28:45
Speaker 1: kind of showing off of her curves, and but she's
28:47
Speaker 1: got the belt on. Now. The belt that I'm saying
28:50
Speaker 1: the photo is a black braided belt with a big
28:55
Speaker 1: either leather or plastic circle, a black circle that you
29:01
Speaker 1: put the belt through. It is unique, Alexis, It's very unique.
29:06
Speaker 1: Police officer. They actually spent a lot of time looking
29:10
Speaker 1: on her Facebook page because they they when she said
29:14
Speaker 1: that they went to a bar, they went and they
29:17
Speaker 1: looked at the bar surveillance and they didn't see them anywhere.
29:20
Speaker 1: So they thought, this girl is not telling the truth.
29:22
Speaker 1: Then just hours after her best friend disappears, she posted
29:25
Speaker 1: a picture about it. So they were using her very
29:28
Speaker 1: own Facebook mining that for clues about the case. They
29:32
Speaker 1: weren't telling other people about it. They weren't putting it
29:34
Speaker 1: out there in the public saying, hey, is anybody seeing
29:37
Speaker 1: this belt, because they knew that that would be such
29:39
Speaker 1: a clue, and that's why when they saw it on
29:41
Speaker 1: her Facebook that it was such a big connection. Cheyenne
29:44
Speaker 1: Rose Antoine, just twenty one years old, now believed to
29:50
Speaker 1: have murdered her best friend Brittney Gargole. Just hours before
29:56
Speaker 1: Brittaney goes missing, she Cheyenne Rose Intoine posts a selfie
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Speaker 1: on Facebook of the two of them just hours before
30:06
Speaker 1: the dead girl goes missing, and in it, she's wearing
30:09
Speaker 1: a very unique black braided leather belt with a big, round,
30:16
Speaker 1: circular black buckle. I've I've actually never seen one like
30:20
Speaker 1: it before, but it's very very distinct. Now I cannot
30:27
Speaker 1: imagine what the two argued about. Was it jealousy, was
30:31
Speaker 1: it a boyfriend? Was it? Who knows what it was,
30:34
Speaker 1: but we know Brittany ends up dead, her body dumped
30:39
Speaker 1: on the side of the road by a refuse collection
30:45
Speaker 1: like she's trash now again. She initially tells police they
30:50
Speaker 1: had been out drinking that night, going from place to
30:54
Speaker 1: place to a to a a house party. No, and
30:59
Speaker 1: then the all Dr Lieberman the killer. Her best friend
31:06
Speaker 1: Antoine actually posts on god Goals Facebook, where are you
31:12
Speaker 1: haven't heard from you? Hope you made it home safe?
31:16
Speaker 1: What a big lie? Dr Carol Lieberman. Yeah, she was
31:19
Speaker 1: trying to cover her tracks, obviously, but you know, it's
31:23
Speaker 1: so interesting. I love when this happens. It's it's poetic
31:26
Speaker 1: justice when these criminals get caught by something inadvertent like posting,
31:31
Speaker 1: you know, like her posting the selfie with the belt.
31:33
Speaker 1: Of course, you also have to wonder was there part
31:36
Speaker 1: of her that wanted to get caught that she, you know,
31:39
Speaker 1: was careless about, uh, leaving putting his picture up, even
31:44
Speaker 1: though she had left about with the girl with the
31:46
Speaker 1: dead girl. So and then of course it could be
31:48
Speaker 1: just that she was drunk and you know, she was
31:51
Speaker 1: kind of careless at the time. But still, the fact
31:53
Speaker 1: that she posted to selfie at the same time that
31:56
Speaker 1: she's doing these texts where are you it's sort of
31:59
Speaker 1: there opposite, you know, it's conflicting. On the one hand,
32:02
Speaker 1: does she did she really want to get caught? U
32:05
Speaker 1: for Let me ask you, what would you you know,
32:09
Speaker 1: as a psychiatrist, what is the label for a person
32:13
Speaker 1: that can murder their best friend, dump them by the
32:15
Speaker 1: side the road like their trash at a dump and
32:18
Speaker 1: then go online posting selfies with the victim, the dead victim,
32:25
Speaker 1: and making these fake posts about where are you? Well,
32:29
Speaker 1: likely she's a sociopath. Likely she had a very traumatic childhood.
32:33
Speaker 1: For Christie, it's unusual for young girls like that to
32:37
Speaker 1: kill each other or for one to kill the other.
32:40
Speaker 1: And um, so clearly she came from a very very
32:43
Speaker 1: traumatic childhood and one that led her to have no
32:47
Speaker 1: empathy and to be able to do this kind of thing.
32:50
Speaker 1: But then that's why I say, maybe there was a
32:52
Speaker 1: part of her that felt a little guilty and uh
32:55
Speaker 1: it could have you know, carelessness or guilt for her
32:58
Speaker 1: to post that selfie that field that she was the killer.
33:01
Speaker 1: Take a listen now to ten girl. Brittany gargles step
33:06
Speaker 1: mom as she describes the young girl now dead. The
33:10
Speaker 1: details are not going to be pretty. Um, I'm raising
33:14
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33:16
Speaker 1: questions and doesn't understand, so that's difficult. Brittany was very happy,
33:22
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33:25
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33:30
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33:33
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Speaker 1: have all heard of Corey Feldman, the star of stand
35:28
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35:32
Speaker 1: and Corey Hame starring in Lost Boys, the whole list
35:38
Speaker 1: of famous movies. But now Corey Fellman is publicly saying
35:44
Speaker 1: he will not rest until his quote promise to Corey
35:48
Speaker 1: Hame is fulfilled. He is seemingly on a crusade, and
35:56
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the star of Goonies now forty six.
36:01
Speaker 1: Corey Fellman, in a very revealing statement, claims he is
36:07
Speaker 1: crusading to expose alleged sex abuse in Hollywood, and he
36:14
Speaker 1: claims he's speaking out on behalf also of his friend
36:19
Speaker 1: Corey Hame. Listen, enough is enough, he will kill me.
36:25
Speaker 1: People need to know the truth. Corey Felman has been
36:28
Speaker 1: very outspoken in recent months about the sexual abuse that
36:31
Speaker 1: he says he and many others growing up in Hollywood endured,
36:35
Speaker 1: including best friend Corey Hame. Corey asked me to make
36:39
Speaker 1: sure that if he died before me, that his story
36:42
Speaker 1: was told and I am doing exactly that. That is
36:45
Speaker 1: from E News Online. With me right now is someone
36:50
Speaker 1: who disagrees vehemently with Corey Fellman. Right now joining me
36:57
Speaker 1: is the mother of Corey Hame. Judy Haim is joining us. Judy,
37:03
Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. First of all, I
37:05
Speaker 1: cannot imagine the grief and the pain that you went
37:10
Speaker 1: through when you lost your son, Corey Hame. And I
37:14
Speaker 1: know you still feel that loss every single day. And
37:20
Speaker 1: now to have Corey Fellman, as he says, honoring a
37:25
Speaker 1: promise he made to your son to expose sex abuse.
37:29
Speaker 1: What do you make of it, Judy, Well, I have
37:32
Speaker 1: everything in kind of writing what I make of it?
37:34
Speaker 1: It's all full of full of crap. And it goes
37:37
Speaker 1: back to the reality show on the on the reality
37:41
Speaker 1: show on the Two Quarries. Um, if you go and
37:45
Speaker 1: have a good look and you really pay attention to
37:48
Speaker 1: the second season of The Two Quarries, you will find
37:52
Speaker 1: that my son threw both of them, Corey Feldman and
37:55
Speaker 1: his wife from his house. They did not like each
37:59
Speaker 1: other at all. There were in odds with each other
38:02
Speaker 1: for a very long time. People need to really watch
38:06
Speaker 1: the reality show very carefully because Corey felt and sent
38:12
Speaker 1: me an email this year, uh, saying like this, And
38:16
Speaker 1: we did go to his house after the show. Was
38:20
Speaker 1: because he wanted my son wanted to go and buy
38:23
Speaker 1: his son then a toy. So we went over there
38:28
Speaker 1: and he said like this. And this was right after
38:31
Speaker 1: the second season. Uh. And he said, Corey asked me
38:35
Speaker 1: to tell his story the night you guys came over
38:39
Speaker 1: to the house and Susie made you dinner and after
38:42
Speaker 1: the show and after the show and we all made up.
38:47
Speaker 1: He asked me to do it because he lived his
38:49
Speaker 1: life in fear. And he said, tell my whole story
38:53
Speaker 1: and why I am the way I am. And I
38:55
Speaker 1: just kept reading the reading it and reading it, and
38:58
Speaker 1: I'm going He claims, Yeah, I remember going to his house.
39:03
Speaker 1: I was there. His assistant Dre happened to be there,
39:08
Speaker 1: so I called Dre and I said, Drake, do you
39:10
Speaker 1: remember them taking off from the living room? Do you
39:13
Speaker 1: remember them going somewhere else? Do you remember my son
39:17
Speaker 1: ever telling Corey Feldman of all people, to write his
39:20
Speaker 1: life story right after the second season of the reality show,
39:27
Speaker 1: after he didn't want to have anything to do with
39:29
Speaker 1: them whatsoever. That doesn't sound like my son, and he
39:32
Speaker 1: never said anything like that. Now he's saying it to everybody.
39:37
Speaker 1: This is the biggest lie that Corey Feldman is saying
39:41
Speaker 1: to everybody that my son told him to tell his
39:44
Speaker 1: life story. The timing is absolutely impossible, and at this
39:48
Speaker 1: point I want proof. I want proof that my son
39:52
Speaker 1: signed something or said something, because he got away with
39:56
Speaker 1: this life away too long. And this is how he's
39:59
Speaker 1: raising money, you know, from his campaign saying don't worry,
40:03
Speaker 1: don't worry. Soon we're going to find out who Corey
40:05
Speaker 1: Haynes abuser is. But people don't seem to remember that
40:13
Speaker 1: on the Two Corries. My son told me one day
40:16
Speaker 1: that he's had enough of them pointing fingers at him
40:20
Speaker 1: regarding drugs, and everybody knows my son said it to
40:23
Speaker 1: the world that is on prescription drugs, but Corey Feldman
40:28
Speaker 1: was hiding it and pointing fingers, and my son had
40:30
Speaker 1: just about enough. So he told me that one day,
40:33
Speaker 1: this is it on the show on National TV is
40:37
Speaker 1: going to come out and he's actually going to tell
40:41
Speaker 1: Corey Feldman and surprise them with the fact that his
40:44
Speaker 1: friend Dominic Bruscia was the one that he introduced my
40:49
Speaker 1: son too. As soon as they met at fifteen and
40:52
Speaker 1: a half as soon as we moved to Los Angeles
40:55
Speaker 1: with me is the mother of Corey hayn Uh, the
40:59
Speaker 1: star of many not only movies but TV successes, And
41:05
Speaker 1: we were talking about allegations made by Corey Fellman. Fellman
41:11
Speaker 1: claims that he is telling the story of Hams sex
41:15
Speaker 1: abuse molestation as a child that he never got to tell.
41:20
Speaker 1: Lee Egan with Me, investigative reporter with crime online dot Com.
41:26
Speaker 1: Lee Fellman is going from one show to the next
41:32
Speaker 1: making these claims of alleged sex molest station that occurred
41:36
Speaker 1: to Corey Hame when he was a child. What what
41:40
Speaker 1: various programs has he been on when he first started
41:43
Speaker 1: the campaign, this current campaign, He was on the Today
41:46
Speaker 1: Show with Matt Lower, then he went to Good Morning America,
41:51
Speaker 1: and then he went to The Doctor As Show, and
41:54
Speaker 1: I believe he was on the radio show with Sean
41:57
Speaker 1: Hannity and Megan kill We. Let's take a list and
42:00
Speaker 1: to him making these allegations with Dr oz We came
42:04
Speaker 1: up with this image. This man, I'm gonna show you
42:07
Speaker 1: his picture. I want you just to confirm if it's
42:10
Speaker 1: the right person or not. Okay, is that him? That's him,
42:15
Speaker 1: the man who abused you. Did you give his name
42:18
Speaker 1: to the L A P. D. Yes? Can I share
42:22
Speaker 1: his name with America? I just don't want. I mean again,
42:29
Speaker 1: I don't have legal representation yet. Then let me, as
42:33
Speaker 1: the host of the show, try to reciprocate some of
42:35
Speaker 1: your braveness by sharing your name myself. The man whose
42:39
Speaker 1: picture I just showed to Corey, his name is Alfie Hoffman.
42:44
Speaker 1: What does that name mean to you? Um? Well, he
42:50
Speaker 1: was the guy who ran Alpha Soda Pop Club and
42:54
Speaker 1: uh I met him when I was twelve years old.
43:00
Speaker 1: He came to my house to pick me up in
43:01
Speaker 1: his car, and I had heard rumors that he threw
43:04
Speaker 1: the coolest parties in town and he was very connected.
43:07
Speaker 1: And he was the son of Bobby Hoffman, who was
43:11
Speaker 1: the top casting director at the time for one of
43:14
Speaker 1: the major studios. That studio ran many of the hit
43:18
Speaker 1: shows that were on TV at the time, from Happy
43:22
Speaker 1: Days to Laverne and Shirley to Mork and Mindy. I
43:24
Speaker 1: mean all the top shows and many of the shows
43:26
Speaker 1: that I guessed appeared on as a kid because I
43:29
Speaker 1: went from one show to the next to the next.
43:31
Speaker 1: So when you got an invite to go to Bobby
43:34
Speaker 1: Hoffman's private party. This was a very big thing. And
43:37
Speaker 1: the fact that his son was coming to pick me
43:39
Speaker 1: up himself was also a very big thing. And my
43:42
Speaker 1: mom ushered me into the car and said go have fun,
43:46
Speaker 1: and um, you know, the first few times I win,
43:49
Speaker 1: it was it was fairly innocent. I mean, that's where
43:52
Speaker 1: you know, if you read my book and you talk
43:54
Speaker 1: about the story where I started dancing like Michael Jackson.
43:57
Speaker 1: I started doing the Billy Jean and they were throwing
43:59
Speaker 1: me the hat and everybody was circling around me. And
44:01
Speaker 1: that's what started my whole music career, was going to
44:03
Speaker 1: those parties and getting that feedback from people that happened
44:07
Speaker 1: at those parties. And those parties were relatively kid friendly.
44:12
Speaker 1: But interestingly, that's where I met, you know, the guy
44:17
Speaker 1: that ended up lesting Hayne. That's where there was a
44:20
Speaker 1: bunch of these guys. They were all hanging out together
44:23
Speaker 1: at these parties. And the thing is there weren't a
44:25
Speaker 1: lot of parents. Lee Egan Climb Online investigative reporter Lee
44:32
Speaker 1: corey Hays mother Judy says that Corey FilmOn is simply
44:37
Speaker 1: lining his own pockets by making these claims and leading
44:41
Speaker 1: this crusade. Is that possible? Is there a way for
44:44
Speaker 1: him to line his pockets? It is possible. Um. I
44:47
Speaker 1: think a problem that many people had was that he's
44:51
Speaker 1: claiming there's these sex abusers out there, but he has
44:54
Speaker 1: no attentions of making all of them unless he earns
44:58
Speaker 1: with us money to make what he's saying of going
45:00
Speaker 1: to be a future film where he's going to drop
45:02
Speaker 1: the mean. Okay, wait, whit whit whit whit? Why? Wait?
45:04
Speaker 1: What did you just say? He's raising raising money. He
45:08
Speaker 1: has a indiego go campaign and he wanted ten million
45:11
Speaker 1: dollars first before he would wait a minute, wait, wait,
45:16
Speaker 1: let me understand what you're saying. Dr Bethany Marshall joining
45:19
Speaker 1: me l a psychoanalyst. Corey Fellman, the movie star, claims
45:26
Speaker 1: he's on a crusade to expose childless station and sex
45:30
Speaker 1: abuse on his friend Corey Haim, who has passed away.
45:35
Speaker 1: His mother is with us today, but he's only going
45:38
Speaker 1: to make all of the abuser's names public once he
45:42
Speaker 1: raises several million dollars. Dr Bethany Marshall. I want to
45:48
Speaker 1: know the truth. I want to know the truth and
45:50
Speaker 1: if there's a child molester out there. I want to
45:52
Speaker 1: behind bars for the rest of his life. But something's
45:55
Speaker 1: not right about this. If you if you help me
45:57
Speaker 1: raise ten million dollars, then I'll tell you who abuse is.
46:00
Speaker 1: Corey Haim, who coincidentally has passed away. I want to
46:04
Speaker 1: say something. I want everybody to remember that my son,
46:09
Speaker 1: he was one of those people that if you look
46:12
Speaker 1: back at every single interview he's ever had since he
46:15
Speaker 1: started this business at thirteen and a half, he told
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Speaker 1: the whole world everything. He never had anything. So he
46:21
Speaker 1: went on national TV on the on the reality show,
46:23
Speaker 1: and he actually exposed his own abuser, which was Corey
46:29
Speaker 1: Felton's friend, Dominic Brush. He exposed his own abuser without
46:33
Speaker 1: asking a penny. He didn't say, I want ten million
46:37
Speaker 1: dollars to make a movie to expose my abuser. So
46:41
Speaker 1: even after he did that, even I I went all
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Speaker 1: doctor us and exposed the same guy. Dominic Brush is
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Speaker 1: one person that I know that my son ever talked about.
46:53
Speaker 1: There are no more abusers out there. I want people
46:56
Speaker 1: to understand that there was one guy. My son really
47:02
Speaker 1: surprised them and shocked him on the reality show, saying
47:06
Speaker 1: you introduced me to your friend who abused me, and
47:09
Speaker 1: you were friends with him before, and you continued being
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Speaker 1: his friend afterwards, knowing what he did to me. Well,
47:17
Speaker 1: when my son passed away and Corey Feldman was ready
47:19
Speaker 1: to write his book, he told me on the phone
47:23
Speaker 1: that it's paid back time. Nancy. We should note that
47:26
Speaker 1: Dominique Brascia has denied emphatically that he ever had sex
47:31
Speaker 1: with Hay. I want to say something about Corey Feldman. Nancy.
47:35
Speaker 1: Do you remember Randy Quaid and the star Whackers. This
47:38
Speaker 1: was Dennis Quick Well, I remember Randy Quay, but I
47:42
Speaker 1: don't know the other thing. He became convinced that there
47:46
Speaker 1: were people in Hollywood called star whackers, that we're going
47:50
Speaker 1: to come and kill him and his wife. Yes, it's
47:53
Speaker 1: all coming back to me. So they fled to Canada.
47:57
Speaker 1: Have anything to do with not paying their bills in
47:59
Speaker 1: the US, absolutely so. And then they were squatting in
48:03
Speaker 1: somebody's house. But there was this elaborate thing that, oh,
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Speaker 1: somebody's gonna come kill us because we're celebrities and they're
48:09
Speaker 1: called the star whackers, And they successively use this story
48:13
Speaker 1: to get out of responsibility. And then I also suspected
48:16
Speaker 1: that Randy Quaid may have had like a delusional disorder,
48:19
Speaker 1: like been somewhat paranoid. Okay, so am I getting into
48:22
Speaker 1: Randy Quaid, who I would like to pour out. Dr
48:26
Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall has not treated. But what does that have
48:29
Speaker 1: to do with Corey Felman, Because this idea that Corey
48:32
Speaker 1: Feldman has that people are gonna come kill him if
48:36
Speaker 1: he doesn't tell the story, it has that similar like
48:39
Speaker 1: fatitious malingery, making stuff up quality just to get out
48:44
Speaker 1: of responsibility and to gain notoriety. And he's injecting himself
48:49
Speaker 1: into the notoriety of his deceased friend who can't speak
48:52
Speaker 1: up for himself. So I just think it reminds me
48:54
Speaker 1: of that story because it has a similar sort of
48:57
Speaker 1: a pathetic quality. Liagan Crime on Line dot Com investigative reporter.
49:01
Speaker 1: What does Corey Fellman say to all of this? I mean,
49:05
Speaker 1: Corey Haims mother, Judy is saying this is absolutely not true.
49:08
Speaker 1: What does FilmOn have to say? Selman is being quite
49:12
Speaker 1: rude to Judy if you listen to his interviews. He
49:16
Speaker 1: actually he made his on YouTube video where he called
49:18
Speaker 1: her a liar, challenge her to a lie detector test.
49:21
Speaker 1: Then he went on Dr Oz and pretty much did
49:24
Speaker 1: the same thing. He said, she's in denial that he's
49:27
Speaker 1: telling the truth, and Judy needs to work with him,
49:30
Speaker 1: not against him, etcetera, etcetera. Well, the thing that bothers
49:34
Speaker 1: me is that they are not that Felman is not
49:36
Speaker 1: naming the child molesters unless he raises ex amount of
49:41
Speaker 1: money through donations. That that concerns me, and I lived
49:46
Speaker 1: through it in court. If if a sex attack victim
49:49
Speaker 1: does not come forward to police, it casts a paul
49:53
Speaker 1: on the entire case. Doesn't mean it's not true, but
49:56
Speaker 1: it means you've got a credibility issue. Judy Haime, if
49:59
Speaker 1: you could speak to Maris Almon right now, what would
50:01
Speaker 1: you say? Oh, and I said it before. I said,
50:04
Speaker 1: first of all, do not speak about my kid. And
50:06
Speaker 1: I never put you in charge of my family's spokesman.
50:10
Speaker 1: That's number one. It was. I sent him a cease
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Speaker 1: and the c S letter last year, and then he
50:15
Speaker 1: became smart and he didn't abide by it. So he
50:18
Speaker 1: went on Doctor Oz and he said, oh, I can't
50:20
Speaker 1: talk about my friend out of respect for his mother.
50:24
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, he's got respect for me. And
50:26
Speaker 1: he said and doctor Ozz is picking up this luck frame.
50:29
Speaker 1: It goes, oh, you mean to tell me you're talking
50:31
Speaker 1: about before we hay, So how does she feel about
50:33
Speaker 1: this movie coming out? And so he keeps talking about
50:37
Speaker 1: my kids? Number one, he has no business talking about
50:41
Speaker 1: my kid. And number two, I don't understand these people
50:45
Speaker 1: that kept giving him money at Indiego Go two hundred
50:49
Speaker 1: and seventy thousand dollars worth of it because he says
50:52
Speaker 1: that one day he's going to expose my son's pedophile. Well,
50:56
Speaker 1: how about doctor, I was asking him, And how come
50:58
Speaker 1: nobody's ever mentioning dominic? Why isn't anyone ever mentioning dominic?
51:04
Speaker 1: It's because if my son and I said nothing. And besides,
51:09
Speaker 1: I want you to know one more thing. My another email,
51:13
Speaker 1: he I would tell him like this. I would tell
51:16
Speaker 1: him stop talking about my kid again and again and again.
51:19
Speaker 1: Stopped talking about my kid. Talk about your life, make
51:22
Speaker 1: a movie about your life, and leave my family alone.
51:26
Speaker 1: He's done enough damage to my son with this movie,
51:29
Speaker 1: A Tale of Two Quarries. He was trying very desperately
51:32
Speaker 1: to rewrite my son's life history. That's what he was doing.
51:37
Speaker 1: All these people executive producers that were involved in this movie.
51:41
Speaker 1: They're everything wrong. Nothing in this movie has anything to
51:45
Speaker 1: do with my son. Okay. So I want you to
51:48
Speaker 1: know that I had cancer in two thousand and nine, okay,
51:52
Speaker 1: and my son was there every step of the way,
51:55
Speaker 1: every doctor, everything, everything throughout the whole thing. Corey's oldman
52:00
Speaker 1: sends me an email and he goes like this, I
52:03
Speaker 1: can help you if you would only stop this insanity
52:07
Speaker 1: and remember the conversation we had right before I did
52:10
Speaker 1: the book. So unless the chemo uh your brain, uh,
52:15
Speaker 1: you know that I'm speaking the truth. In other words,
52:17
Speaker 1: he's blaming the chemo. He's trying to put words in
52:20
Speaker 1: my mouth. Okay. He just gets upset when I don't
52:23
Speaker 1: agree with him. There's nothing to be to agree with.
52:26
Speaker 1: And now he's telling me, I wonder if all the
52:28
Speaker 1: cancer patients are going to really like this one. The
52:31
Speaker 1: chemo screwed up with my head, so I don't remember
52:34
Speaker 1: anything with me. Is Judy Ham, the mother of Corey Hame,
52:38
Speaker 1: the movie and TV star. Also with me Lee Egan,
52:42
Speaker 1: crime online investigative reporter at Dr Bethany Marshall. In addition
52:47
Speaker 1: to Judy Hame joining us now is a very close
52:51
Speaker 1: friend of Corey Hame, Greg Harrison, Greg, what do you
52:55
Speaker 1: make of Corey Fellman's claims that your friend Corey haim
53:01
Speaker 1: was abused by Hollywood? Oh my gosh, that's a loaded question.
53:09
Speaker 1: First of all, I mean, you know everyone comes and
53:13
Speaker 1: is attacking, and it's like a witch hunt, and where's
53:17
Speaker 1: the original sin? The original sin is a book that
53:21
Speaker 1: was written without the approval, the legal approval, the moral approval,
53:27
Speaker 1: or even a simple blessing. And to me, it's very
53:32
Speaker 1: clear that there's an agenda to rewrite history. Um, their
53:39
Speaker 1: relationship was tumultuous. So we have heard on the phone
53:45
Speaker 1: and in other forms, Um, you know, payback is you know,
53:50
Speaker 1: it's revenge time. And what we're seeing played out is
53:55
Speaker 1: that is that payback and the the insight patient of
54:00
Speaker 1: like Judy being put on trial and the scrutiny and
54:07
Speaker 1: the attack. To me, it's like, where is society standing
54:13
Speaker 1: up and saying this is wrong to be putting Judy
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Speaker 1: on trial. She doesn't need to justify herself to anyone.
54:20
Speaker 1: She's not the one that wrote this book. And when
54:24
Speaker 1: is society going to stand up and say this is
54:27
Speaker 1: not okay? And the outlandish claims that are being made,
54:31
Speaker 1: including you know, as I have a household hold full
54:35
Speaker 1: of concubinings. I'm a man of God. When is society
54:38
Speaker 1: going to stand up and say this is not okay.
54:41
Speaker 1: We need to scrutinize this. We need to have some
54:43
Speaker 1: real private and uh like like some investigative reporting, like
54:49
Speaker 1: no longer are we gonna sit back and watch um,
54:53
Speaker 1: you know, the media just give someone a platform that
54:57
Speaker 1: is causing so much harm and I mean even to
55:00
Speaker 1: the death of my friend. When is it okay for
55:04
Speaker 1: like the art of sensationalizing for the purpose of like
55:08
Speaker 1: capitalization the life and legacy of my dead friend. Let's
55:13
Speaker 1: keep it simple, folks, my dead friend. This is what's
55:16
Speaker 1: going on, and so it's outrageous when I can tell
55:20
Speaker 1: you that a lot of this is lies, from big
55:23
Speaker 1: ones to small ones. Nancy. We should note that Crime
55:26
Speaker 1: Stories has invited Corey Feldman to join us and to
55:29
Speaker 1: tell us his story and to respond to what's been
55:31
Speaker 1: said about them. While we hold out hope he'll agree,
55:34
Speaker 1: he's yet to accept our invitation or even to provide
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Speaker 1: a statement. We are watching as this unfolds. Nancy Grace
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories signing off, Goodbye friend,