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Mental Health Matters Renew Your Mind, Renew Your Life - EP-017 - Imposter Syndrome · Mental Health Matters - Overcomers.tv

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  Speaker 3: Well.
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  Speaker 4: Welcome to another episode of Mental Health Matters compastor check Reisch.
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  Speaker 4: I'm joined with Rick Cuevedo Coda Cuevedo, aka Pastor Theologian
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  Speaker 4: here in Farmington. Love you guys. Rick's just an overseer
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  Speaker 4: of all of it. He's a headhunt show over there
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  Speaker 4: at mydesert View dot org, your family counseling, and just
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  Speaker 4: love how we pop in through some topics today. Right, So,
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  Speaker 4: welcome to the show, guys, Thank you, good morning. Glad
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  Speaker 4: to be here, Yes, glad to be here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So, I don't know, Cody, if you want to introduce
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  Speaker 4: our topic and then Rick maybe unpack it a little
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  Speaker 4: bit and I'll see if I'm guilty of being the impostor. Okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: absolutely have the imposter syndrome.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, So for this month, we decided to talk about
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  Speaker 5: a topic known as imposter syndrome. And essentially, imposter syndrome
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  Speaker 5: is a pattern where people doubt their skills, their talents,
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  Speaker 5: their value, their success, and there's this overwhelming fear of
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  Speaker 5: being exposed as a fraud even though they have proved
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  Speaker 5: through their competence, like their experience, and this impolscern often
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  Speaker 5: leads to things like self doubt, perfectionism, over preparation, overworking, comparison, fear, anxiety,
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  Speaker 5: et cetera. So it can lead to a multitude of
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  Speaker 5: different things, and it's something that I think we see
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  Speaker 5: in a lot of different aspects, a lot of different
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  Speaker 5: fields in life of feeling like I'm.
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  Speaker 6: Not good enough to do this, you know, whatever.
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  Speaker 3: It may be. Yeah, that's good, Rick after that.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, it's definitely a psychiatric type diagnosis and
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  Speaker 7: about seventy percent of all adults have experienced it at
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  Speaker 7: least one time in their lifetime. And you know, we
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  Speaker 7: know that the more we feed our brain the same
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  Speaker 7: information over and over, we definitely start to believe it,
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  Speaker 7: act it, and live it, and so changing that is
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  Speaker 7: a little bit of work.
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  Speaker 8: You can't overcome those thoughts.
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  Speaker 7: But you know, like Cody said, you know, downplaying success
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  Speaker 7: when you are successful, but you know you're downplaying that
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  Speaker 7: and anything that you take on, you know for a
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  Speaker 7: failure that you might fail, even though you know you're
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  Speaker 7: capable of doing it. Perfectionism thinking everything's got to be perfect,
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  Speaker 7: it's got to go absolutely right. There's just a number
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  Speaker 7: of different things that a person could put a lot
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  Speaker 7: of pressure on themselves.
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  Speaker 8: It's not necessary, not necessary.
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  Speaker 3: Interesting.
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  Speaker 4: So July thirteenth was eighteen years ago that I got ordained.
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  Speaker 3: To be a pastor.
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  Speaker 4: So never felt qualified, like there was a lot to know, right,
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  Speaker 4: So twenty seven years ago in July, and so when
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  Speaker 4: I first started reading the Bible, and I felt like
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  Speaker 4: God whispered in my ear and help you overcome an
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  Speaker 4: addiction or make you a pastor, and usually to help
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  Speaker 4: other people overcome their addictions. And like I had no
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  Speaker 4: idea what a pastor was. I was a Catholic, I
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  Speaker 4: knew about priests. But I said, I guess I didn't
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  Speaker 4: need to keep reading this book. So long story longer.
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  Speaker 4: Getting plugged into Cavia Chapel for a lot of do
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  Speaker 4: there's Bible studies and listening to some really good preaching
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  Speaker 4: on Man, I want to be a pastor one day,
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  Speaker 4: but I really felt like God says, don't go to seminary,
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  Speaker 4: don't go to Bible college.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, I'm learning there's like two hundred of
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  Speaker 3: them around there.
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  Speaker 4: And just keep doing small, great Bible studies, devotions every morning,
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  Speaker 4: listening to sermons, read.
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  Speaker 3: Your Bible front to cover, front to cover, front to cover.
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  Speaker 4: So seven years in, back to the point where I
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  Speaker 4: was ordained eighteen years ago.
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  Speaker 3: Just again.
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  Speaker 4: We live in a world that wants to see credentials.
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  Speaker 4: They'd like to see certificates on the wall. They like
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  Speaker 4: to have to see the letters after their name. Right,
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  Speaker 4: I believe in a good education. Especially brain surgeons want
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  Speaker 4: to make sure he's.
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  Speaker 3: Right hard surgeons.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but there's always been this little voice in the
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  Speaker 4: back of my mind, as somebody might say, you're not
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  Speaker 4: really a pastor, and so I don't know if that
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  Speaker 4: falls into this or but no one's ever called me
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  Speaker 4: out on it that were saying, hey, show me that certificate.
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  Speaker 3: It's up there. But it turned out to.
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  Speaker 4: Be one of the smallest little churches in the crack
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  Speaker 4: town next to the crack house I used to smoke
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  Speaker 4: open seven years earlier, seven years clean, and I felt
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  Speaker 4: like God's like, I'm gonna pick the closest church to
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  Speaker 4: the clrackhouse you used to be stuck in after a
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  Speaker 4: seven year addiction. Seven years clean, We're gonna have a
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  Speaker 4: holy ghost party, and that your testimony is your credentials.
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  Speaker 4: So just to unpack some of that, I don't mind
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  Speaker 4: being the guinea pig here, but there's always this fear.
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  Speaker 3: That again someone's gonna call you out. Are you really?
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  Speaker 4: And you know, you do what you can do, and
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  Speaker 4: you move in the gifts and the callings and whatever
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  Speaker 4: position God gives you. There's that old fakety to make
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  Speaker 4: it concept, I don't know some of my thoughts.
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  Speaker 5: Cody Becker, Yeah, Now I think that's a perfect example, right,
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  Speaker 5: like something that is like a real life example that
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  Speaker 5: we set this standard for ourselves sometimes that is almost
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  Speaker 5: unattainable and because of that state, and it can almost
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  Speaker 5: hinder what God's calling us to do.
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  Speaker 6: What we've you know, what's on our heart to help
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  Speaker 6: to you know.
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  Speaker 5: And I think that there's a big part of this
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  Speaker 5: is spiritual warfare, right is God calls us to different things.
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  Speaker 6: We each you know, first printed twelve.
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  Speaker 5: Every single one of us has talents and gifts and
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  Speaker 5: something to contribute to the body. And we're all vital,
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  Speaker 5: right And Paul even talks about it, can the hand
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  Speaker 5: to the foot or the elbow to the knee, because
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  Speaker 5: they're both important, they both play by a role.
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  Speaker 6: And you know, for those of us who are really.
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  Speaker 5: Walking in our faith, there's always going to be that
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  Speaker 5: voice in the back of your head that you're not
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  Speaker 5: good enough, you're not qualified.
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  Speaker 6: Oh you did this, you did that right, Like, there's
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  Speaker 6: there's always this this, you know. That's why the Bible
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  Speaker 6: refers to the devil as the accuser.
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  Speaker 5: He's constantly accusing us of things, trying to get us
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  Speaker 5: to ultimately fall away from whatever it is that that's
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  Speaker 5: calling us to do.
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  Speaker 6: And that's something that I think is important for us.
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  Speaker 5: To recognize because that spiritual manifests simile physical right. It
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  Speaker 5: can lead to anxiety, it can need to fear, it
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  Speaker 5: can lead to a multitude different things. If you know
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  Speaker 5: you really feeling you're not good enough, then why would
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  Speaker 5: I pursue something Because I'm never going to get to
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  Speaker 5: the level where you know, like Pastor, the pastor, I
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  Speaker 5: could look at it and be like, Pastor, trucks are
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  Speaker 5: more successful than me.
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  Speaker 6: I'm never going to get to his place, so.
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  Speaker 5: What's the point in trying, right, And that's that's where
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  Speaker 5: the comparison comes in and a big, you know, kind
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  Speaker 5: of manifestation of that imposter syndrome.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, when I was listening to you check it, it kind
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  Speaker 7: of remind me of my story as well.
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  Speaker 8: Twenty three years ago. Starting this place.
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  Speaker 7: It was me and a therapist in a part time secretary,
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  Speaker 7: and you know, even as we grew and expanded, and.
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  Speaker 8: I think that there was always that self doubt. You know.
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  Speaker 7: I started out as a jumani oprovation officer, and when
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  Speaker 7: I switched over to do my masters, I had to
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  Speaker 7: start over because my previous degree just didn't, you know,
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  Speaker 7: follow what I had already did. And when I got
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  Speaker 7: my master's, the next step was to get all my
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  Speaker 7: hours to actually become license. And I was also growing
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  Speaker 7: a business at the same time and and raising a family,
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  Speaker 7: and and I never did get to do those hours,
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  Speaker 7: you know, and why I feel very blessed that we
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  Speaker 7: were able to grow the business in the way that
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  Speaker 7: we have and help as many people we.
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  Speaker 8: Have and hire therapists and all that such.
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  Speaker 7: I've always felt like, I don't know, I didn't finish
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  Speaker 7: that part, you know, And so it's like that I
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  Speaker 7: don't know, not fraud part of me, but you know,
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  Speaker 7: I should have finished that part of me. But at
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  Speaker 7: the same time, I mean, I'm absolutely invested at Cody
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  Speaker 7: and I are always looking at you know.
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  Speaker 8: Best practice. We do clinical superb with our therapists.
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  Speaker 7: I mean we're trying to make sure that they had
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  Speaker 7: the support they need, you know, still living it and
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  Speaker 7: wanting it though, absolutely so I think it's what God
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  Speaker 7: called me to do, right, And that's why we.
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  Speaker 4: Call the show mental health Matters, because what you think matters.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, that's an understatement. You know, what you let
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  Speaker 4: rent space in your head really matters, renew your mind,
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  Speaker 4: renew your life.
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  Speaker 3: So that's how you're going to live it out.
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  Speaker 4: As we're talking to Cody and Rick, I was thinking
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  Speaker 4: about Romans eleven nine, ten and eleven is Paul explaining
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  Speaker 4: why all Jewish people are not safe.
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  Speaker 3: So just a little side note, not to.
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  Speaker 4: Get political, but I know we find ourselves taking sides
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  Speaker 4: Israel against Iran and I heard an interview. One said
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  Speaker 4: Jesus didn't come to take sides. Jesus came to take over.
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  Speaker 4: Jesus is lord, he's lord of all, he's the boss.
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  Speaker 4: He doesn't take science. We take science. But even Israel
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  Speaker 4: to this day, as much as we need to be
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  Speaker 4: pro Israel is in trouble without the Messiah, Without Messiah,
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  Speaker 4: their God's you know, they're they're not saved. So this
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  Speaker 4: whole Romans nine, ten, and eleven kind of unpacks that
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  Speaker 4: that their natural branches are broken off because of one belief.
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  Speaker 4: We be in gentiles or like drafted in by faith,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and don't be haughty, you know, and all
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  Speaker 4: that kind of stuff. This is this great lesson, but
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  Speaker 4: it ends in eleven six with a couple of things.
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  Speaker 4: And I'll just say this here again, maybe even be
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  Speaker 4: off topic a little bit before he goes in twenty five.
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  Speaker 4: And I desire your brethren that you shouldn't be ignorant,
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  Speaker 4: and that's just without knowledge. And that's why we unpack
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  Speaker 4: some of this stuff, because we might be ignorant about
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  Speaker 4: certain topics or syndromes or mental health illness, and we
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  Speaker 4: want to be more educated. Right of this mystery lets
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  Speaker 4: some of you be wise in your own opinion that
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  Speaker 4: blindness and part has happened to Israel, for the fullness
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  Speaker 4: of the Gentiles has come, and so all Israel will
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  Speaker 4: be saved. Right he's concluding, But twenty eight.
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  Speaker 3: This is.
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  Speaker 4: In twenty nine concerning the Gospels and maybe enemies, concerning
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  Speaker 4: the election of loving for the fathers, where the gifts
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  Speaker 4: and callings of God or irrevocal I say all that
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  Speaker 4: to get the twenty nine. I just don't like to
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  Speaker 4: pull a verse out of my hat and just talk
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  Speaker 4: about it too much without leading the context up to it.
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  Speaker 4: But God has gifts and callings, and Cody, you were
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  Speaker 4: alluding to that on your life, Rick, you are called
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  Speaker 4: Ephesians two ten. We are His workmanship created in Christ
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  Speaker 4: for good works. God prepared beforehand that we should walk
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  Speaker 4: in them. So you start doing that. We'll unpack spiritual
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  Speaker 4: warfare next, because the enemy is going to try to
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  Speaker 4: disqualify You're saying you're not good enough, you sucked. Who
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  Speaker 4: are you to try to help anybody? You're a loser.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, those are some of the voices that I've
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  Speaker 4: heard in my head over the time. But we got
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  Speaker 4: to trust in God. Renew our minds say, well, this
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  Speaker 4: is what God's called me to it. He's going to
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  Speaker 4: get me through it. Cody your turn.
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  Speaker 5: And you know, I think when I think of imposter syndrome,
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  Speaker 5: and maybe this is a stretch, but I think with
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  Speaker 5: Moses in Exodus for eleven or four ten, right, God's
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  Speaker 5: called him, He's already experienced the burning bush.
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  Speaker 3: He's already put.
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  Speaker 5: His hand in the cloak and saw that it was
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  Speaker 5: left wrist. He already saw the staff turn into a snake.
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  Speaker 5: And God sends them, sends is trying to send him
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  Speaker 5: to Egypt, and Moses says, like, Lord, I'm not eloquent,
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  Speaker 5: like I don't have good speech, like you know a
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  Speaker 5: lot of theologians in Turf. That is, Moses had a
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  Speaker 5: speech impediment. So he's telling God like I can't go.
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  Speaker 5: Who am I to stand before Farah? Like I can't
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  Speaker 5: even talk well? And then God's responses, well, who made
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  Speaker 5: the mouth right? And this thing kind of continues in Moses,
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  Speaker 5: and I think it's in verse thirteen, says like, Lord,
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  Speaker 5: please send somebody else.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not qualified send somebody else.
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  Speaker 6: And I think that that's something that we wrestled with sometimes.
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  Speaker 3: I don't have the degrees, I don't have the experience, I.
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  Speaker 5: Don't have the the qualifications, or like even just a
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  Speaker 5: vanalizing no, Lord, I can't do that.
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  Speaker 3: I don't, I don't. I don't know how to do that. Right.
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  Speaker 6: So I think that's something that that we all deal.
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  Speaker 5: With to some some degree of looking at ourselves.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm not I'm not good enough, right.
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  Speaker 5: Jeremiah said this, said something similar, Gideon said something similar,
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  Speaker 5: Isaiah said something similar, right.
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  Speaker 3: Like, I'm a man of unclean lips.
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  Speaker 5: There's this, there's pattern throughout human history that even in
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  Speaker 5: Biblical like the even in the Bible, we see these
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  Speaker 5: these historical figures that have struggled with something similar of
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  Speaker 5: believing and thinking they're not good enough to do whatever
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  Speaker 5: God has called them to do.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, right.
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  Speaker 7: And I was just thinking about, you know, earlier in
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  Speaker 7: that scripture, you know, Jesus didn't care either side, you know,
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  Speaker 7: And I was thinking kind of, you know, modern day
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  Speaker 7: with us in our own shop here, you've been talking
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  Speaker 7: a lot about degrees and ABC behind your name and
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  Speaker 7: all that stuff.
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  Speaker 8: We make it a point to make sure that that
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  Speaker 8: doesn't matter here.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, you know, everybody still us chores and you know, cleans,
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  Speaker 7: bathrooms and all the things.
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  Speaker 8: We don't care here what those letters are. The Lord
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  Speaker 8: has given everybody a gifts.
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  Speaker 7: Everybody gifts and that is that is what they bring
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  Speaker 7: to the table, and we focus on that and make
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  Speaker 7: sure that you know, folks know that and that's what
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  Speaker 7: they're doing for the community.
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  Speaker 4: And that's good a good point too, because even Jus
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  Speaker 4: after three and a half years, the night before the cross,
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  Speaker 4: he's washing feet.
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  Speaker 3: That the lowest job in the house.
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  Speaker 4: You know, people walking in with their sandals, walking on
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  Speaker 4: paths that camel had done and donkey doun was mixed
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  Speaker 4: in with the dirt, so they would have really dirty
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  Speaker 4: feet walking into somebody's house and somebody who washed their
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  Speaker 4: feet as a gift of hospitality.
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  Speaker 3: And Peter is like, your Lord, you're you're not washing
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  Speaker 3: my feet.
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  Speaker 4: I mean that's like you know, and He's like, I'm
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  Speaker 4: trying to show something suburban leadership.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you watch my whole body. He's like, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 3: you know, he's just all over the top. I'm thinking
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  Speaker 3: a lot like.
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  Speaker 4: But and we do that, we compare ourselves maybe to
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  Speaker 4: this point, Cody that maybe we look at other guys
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  Speaker 4: like the evangelists and I'm not as good as this guy,
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  Speaker 4: but they've been practicing, you know, and we we just
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  Speaker 4: need to practice and just do what God calls you
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  Speaker 4: to do. And just that old saying, he doesn't call
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  Speaker 4: the equipped, he equips the call, right. So it's a
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  Speaker 4: learning curve. We're all on a learning curve. So get
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  Speaker 4: in there and you know, practice. That's why we're practicing
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  Speaker 4: our faith. Doctors are practicing medicine. You know. We sometimes
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  Speaker 4: we'll give them a hard time because we'll go to
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  Speaker 4: a few different doctors and you know, let's subscribe, prescribe this,
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  Speaker 4: or prescribe that, and we're look, damn well, they're practicing medicine,
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  Speaker 4: and you know, based on the information and whatever little
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  Speaker 4: tests are going on, they're going to try to prescribe something.
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  Speaker 4: The same lawyers they're practicing law, you know, So we're
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  Speaker 4: getting better at it. You know, do you find those
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  Speaker 4: initials intimidating when someone comes to counseling or do you
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  Speaker 4: also want to try to level the playing field so
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  Speaker 4: they feel more comfortable to open.
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  Speaker 7: Up and share, you know, to me, I think people
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  Speaker 7: feel better if you know, not really knowing about all
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  Speaker 7: those those letters.
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  Speaker 8: You know, and even when we go to people's homes
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  Speaker 8: and home services or even the therapist, it's like just
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  Speaker 8: just casual.
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  Speaker 7: You know, we don't want to be all too fancy
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  Speaker 7: and dressed up, and you know, we want to meet
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  Speaker 7: them where they're at, and.
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  Speaker 8: That's what we do.
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  Speaker 3: So it's good.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I would agree that, you know, meeting people
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  Speaker 5: where they're at.
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  Speaker 6: Is super important.
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  Speaker 5: One of the things we found, or I say, we
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  Speaker 5: put it and like the behavior health field is one
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  Speaker 5: of the things that's really blown up throughout the years
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  Speaker 5: is the pure support level of care because essentially it
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  Speaker 5: takes people who have lived, like shared the experience to
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  Speaker 5: go work with those who are still in active addiction,
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  Speaker 5: those who are facing homelessness, those who are on probation,
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: are incarcerated, right, they have a level of experience that's
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: valuable that where they can help people and say, hey,
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: I'm in recovery. This is how I did it, Like
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: I can. I can look at you and say, like,
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: I've walked in your shoes, and sometimes there's a stigma,
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: you know, unfortunately this is just human nature. Where the
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: opposite occurs, where we start comparing in a different way
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  Speaker 5: of if I'm looking at a clinician who's never felt,
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: who's never battled with addiction, who's never battled with these
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: certain things.
• 17:45
  Speaker 6: There's all there's a thought in the back of your
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: head like, well, how can you really help me?
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: You have no idea when it's right, you're stepping into
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: my shoes based on what you've learned in a textbook
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: versus experience exactly like getting dirt on your feet and
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: walking through it. And not to say it and I
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: don't mean that say clinicians don't have value, right, but
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: that's one of the things that we've been seeing a
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: law is shifts towards the parent support.
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  Speaker 6: And I think that that's.
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  Speaker 5: You know, regardless of how you look at it, whether
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: it's a behavioral health field, whether it's in the church,
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: like you need people that can come and walk alongside
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: us and even if you don't have that experience. One
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: of the things I learned in in like chaplain training
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: is just the ministry of presence.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: We don't always have to know the answers, we don't
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  Speaker 5: always have to have the right words, we don't always
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: have to fix anything.
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: But there's this idea called the ministry of presence.
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: Of just being with them, right, Like I think of
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: Jesus whenever he went to raise Lazareth.
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  Speaker 6: You know, he's coming to raise Lazareth already knows what he's.
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  Speaker 3: Going to do.
• 18:54
  Speaker 6: Martha and Mary a proteim, And it says that he.
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: Wept with them, right, He took the He took time
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: to weep with them before raising Lazars from the dead,
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: like he met them where they were at.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: The woman at the well, he met her where she
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: was at.
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: You know, he was constantly going to meet the people
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: where they were at.
• 19:14
  Speaker 6: And I think that that's something that you can learn from.
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  Speaker 7: Is that's where we try to meet people as well.
• 19:21
  Speaker 7: And you know, and there's another degree that we came
• 19:24
  Speaker 7: up with that bt DT being there done that degree,
• 19:27
  Speaker 7: you know.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, so that's why you know, mental health matters.
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: Renew your mind, renew your life, what you're thinking, how
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: you're thinking, bouncing it off people. Here's a verse that
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: And again you mentioned addiction. July was twenty five years
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: since I quit drinking smoking. We talked about addiction last time,
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: and it just dawned on me in the last.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Couple of weeks.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: It's like it's been twenty five years since I've eaten
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: dog poop. It was like, congratulations, bro, you shouldn't have
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: started eating dog poop to forget with, but your breath
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: is it's been a lot nicer to deal with. But
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: you know, I shouldn't have started to begin with. But
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: we say we add up clean time because it's it
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: shows it's possible for the person who's just having a
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: hard time getting some traction and overcoming it, so it's doable.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: It just says it's doable.
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: But in some aa NA groups say they just say,
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: I'm Bill, I'm an alcoholic. And you know, had some
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: folks in the last group and they've got like eight, nine,
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: ten years clean, They're still like, I'm so and so
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: and I'm an alcoholic, And I'm like, we're just really
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: careful that our identity is. I am a child of God.
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: I am a follower of Jesus. I am loved by
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: creator God. I struggle with because we all struggle with something.
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: It just puts things in perspective. My identity is not
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: wrapped up in what I do or don't do. It's
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: who I am and whose I am. And I say
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: all that to preface this verse. It's Proverbs and it
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: could be a sub sceme of our show. For as
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: he thinks in his heart, so he is. So is
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: he as a man thinks in his heart, so he is.
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: You keep calling you or labeling yourself something like not
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: qualified or you know, you know, it's really and this
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: isn't like claim it, you know kind of stuff, but
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: it is really important you see yourself the way God
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: sees you. You're full of potential. You're His workmanship aka masterpiece.
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: And Ephesians two ten, He's working on us, man, and
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: working in us and through us and with God, all
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: things are possible.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: That's what my Bible says.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: So and we even you know that's we're not even
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: haven't even talked about supernatural stuff yet, miracle stuff. God
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: still in a miracle business. And Moses you mentioned even
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: a few of those miracles that God showed Moses to
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: build up his confidence that I'm with you between a
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: hand the leprosy and a hand trick, the staff and
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: a snake trick, you know, I.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: Mean, He's like, let me you know, I want you
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: to know that you know that you know that I'm
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: with you on this. I'm not asking you to do
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: something all on your own, so your turn.
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: Putty and kind of on the same lines, like I
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: do a Bible study and we've been going through we
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: just got their own first Tesslonians. We're in Psycho Desalonians.
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: And as I was reading through, you know, Psycho Tessalonians.
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: At the end of chapter two, you know, it talks
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: about you know, being being called by God and having
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: this sense of comfort and comforting our hearts. And as
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: I was reading over, one of the things that really
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: stuck out to me was this idea of repentance right
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: or to repent. And when you look at that word
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: and the Greek both words and mattinoya for rependance and
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: matt to oyo for repent, they literally mean to change
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: your mind afterwards, right to think differently after something. And
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: it's so important because our minds really govern almost everything
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: in our lives. Right.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: We hear it in even an addiction, right people.
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: Actively an addiction, you often hear the terms like they
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: have to be ready and willing to make a change
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: before they change, even to like things in the church,
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: like people in the church, like they have to like recognize.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: But then also.
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  Speaker 5: So I think that that that just goes hand in
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: hand with what you were saying, Pastorshuck, is that there's
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: this level that with even with the imposter syndrome, like
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: we have to believe. Like belief is the foundation for
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: all right, Like when the Bible says to guard your
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: heart because it sets the course of your life.
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: Really, the seed of the heart, the seed of the person,
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: is the mind.
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: Because the mind controls everything that we do, like whether
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: we believe it, we don't believe it. We learned this
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: through cognitive behavioral therapy dialectic behavior therapy, that the mind
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: is the sea.
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: Of our actions and our emotions.
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: So by setting our mind to like, my value is
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: in being a child of God, Like that's important. And
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: when I was going through my chaplaincy course, one of
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: the things that are structured obvious say is that God
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: created human beings, not human doings. It's our value is
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: not based on what we can do, It's based on
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: who we are as children of God.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And then.
• 24:15
  Speaker 7: Anything I want to add to that, well, I was
• 24:17
  Speaker 7: just thinking that, you know, there's definitely all kinds of
• 24:19
  Speaker 7: addictions that are hard to overcome. Through this particular addiction,
• 24:25
  Speaker 7: I'm not saying that it's more simplistic, but it's you know,
• 24:28
  Speaker 7: it's about reframing the narrative, you know, being able to
• 24:34
  Speaker 7: talk about those doubts that you have about yourself, those fears,
• 24:37
  Speaker 7: the guilt, all those things, as Cody was mentioning, normalizing
• 24:41
  Speaker 7: those feelings, you know, and focusing on the data that
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: all this information that we have about So really, when
• 24:49
  Speaker 7: you think about getting better, it's not that big of
• 24:51
  Speaker 7: a leap. We have God's word, you know what you know,
• 24:55
  Speaker 7: how God wants and sees us. Uh, you put all
• 24:58
  Speaker 7: that together in a you know, in a bowl and hopefully,
• 25:02
  Speaker 7: you know, recoveries around the corner.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: And even you know, we talked about like positions and
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: like in churches or you know, careers, but even just
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: being a dad. You know, like you know, there's some
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: expectations of what a dad is and what a dad
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: should be and stepping up the day you know the
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: baby is born, you start acting like a dad, you
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: have an instant paradigm shift. Or for a mom, she's
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: a mother, some things just come natural. Granted, parenting is
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: a learning curve as well. I mean, you know, it
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: doesn't come with a book outside the Bible, basic instructions
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: before leaving Earth. But parenting is a great thing as well,
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: because some people will like based on the other dads
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: they've had, you know, as examples good are good or
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: bad in their life. What they think of good dad
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: is but you know, believing that I'm going to be
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: a good dad and shoot for that and maybe, you know,
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: if you need some help, mentoring and all that kind
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: of stuff. I just want to say that you guys,
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  Speaker 4: Desert View, you have lots of services available and if
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: you scroll down, you got adult counseling, child and adolescens counseling,
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: juvenile community corrections. You do parenting classes, substitute intensive family support.
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  Speaker 4: You know, there's a whole list of things that you
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  Speaker 4: guys do. Suicide prevention is really big in our area,
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: and I know you guys are on the forefront doing
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  Speaker 4: an annual five k walk slash run.
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  Speaker 3: Just finish kind of that. Get in here and just
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: walk with us.
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  Speaker 4: And the people you meet that you're walking with while
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: they're walking have been affected by suicide. And again I
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: think that that is the ultimate example of you know,
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: mental health matters. When someone's at the place where they
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: can't take another step, I'm not I wish I wasn't
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: alive anymore. That's just it's a really bad place to be.
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  Speaker 8: So and for those survivors too that are you know,
• 26:53
  Speaker 8: there to to move on.
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  Speaker 5: And go on.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So if anyone is thinking like that, please reach out,
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  Speaker 4: give us a call five or five, three, two, six,
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  Speaker 4: seven eight, go to mind desert read dot org. Closing
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: thoughts before we pray or we dump in, jump in
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  Speaker 4: the throwing them of grace.
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  Speaker 8: Just always put on the armor of God, and.
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  Speaker 5: You know.
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  Speaker 8: That's that's what we need.
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And then and I think another part of
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: that too is surrounding ourselves with people who are willing
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: to tell us the truth. The truth isn't always funny hear,
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: it's not always what we want to hear, but the
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: truth will set you free.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right, So we need the armor of God and
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: we need others we are willing to walk with us
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: in their armor.
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: You know, it's important that we're connected, we're plugged in,
• 27:48
  Speaker 6: and whether.
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: That's one on one, whether that's in a group, right,
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: that speaks to even the mental health stuff, Like I
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: think it's it's super important that we have those those
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: people in our lives that we can rely on to.
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  Speaker 6: To uplift us through the truth.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, for sure.
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  Speaker 4: Good word, it's amazing how quick thirty minutes flies when
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: we start jumping into some stuff deep ditch. But we're
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: open to wet the appetite and just encourage and admonish
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: folks to get in community.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: And you know, no shame in your game if you
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: need a little help. We all need help.
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: That's why that song me is a number one hit song.
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  Speaker 4: But Cody past Cody want to lead us in prayer
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  Speaker 4: and ever Rick.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, definitely.
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  Speaker 5: Father, I thank you for today the conversations that we
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: get to have, and the fellowship through distance, Lord, and
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: just an opportunity to talk about your word and spread
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: the good news and really just look at at life
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: not only.
• 28:54
  Speaker 6: Through a spiritual lens, but a practical lens as well.
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: And hopefully Lord, that as as your word says and
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  Speaker 5: in Thessalonians and Corinthians, that as as it's heard from us,
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: that it'll go out not just in eloquent words of wisdom, Lord,
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: but in power, that your Holy Spirit would touch the
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: hearts and the minds, and that those who are struggling
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: with imposter syndrome, or that your spirit would just speak
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: to them and they would start to They would have
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: people placed within their lives, they would seek help, they
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: would do whatever it is they need to do, they
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: need to read your word, pray, but they would take
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: the steps towards that, that repentance, that changing of the mind,
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: and that those who are listening and struggling with maybe
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: their value, because the value is often attached to a
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: poster syndrome, that as children of God, we would find value,
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: the utmost value in who we are as as children
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: that were rafted in by the blood of Christ, and
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: that our value would be in being your child, rather
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: than what we can do to try to impress you
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: or try to to do for.
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  Speaker 6: The Kingdom of God and rely on our own efforts.
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: And I pray that we would everybody listening would be
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: reminded to equip ourselves with the armor of God, and
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: those who need to hear this message, Lord, it'll it'll
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: reach them, It'll get to them. And then more importantly,
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: it would again by your Holy Spirit, it would be
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: within them.
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  Speaker 3: And then that change would have rise and we.
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  Speaker 5: Would start as see people walking in freeness and boldness
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: and not doubting the callings that you've put upon their lives,
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: but it was fully leading into it and acknowledging it,
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: and that as as a body, we would do a
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: better job of speaking truth to one another and moonishing,
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: encouraging and exhorting one another in a way that is.
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: Truly glorifying you.
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  Speaker 5: So as we extend to the ends of the earth
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  Speaker 5: to make disciples and spread the good news.
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  Speaker 3: I just pay this and the mighty energy is amen.
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  Speaker 4: Amen, man think you covered it like a blanket. Amen
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