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  Speaker 1: No time to fear.
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  Speaker 2: Correll is so near because show.
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  Speaker 3: Time is here, So on with the show.
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  Speaker 1: Let's give it a go.
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  Speaker 4: Correll is the one that you need to know.
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  Speaker 2: Now is show time.
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  Speaker 4: It's that time of week again. It is this Gay
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  Speaker 4: Week with Correll the Gay and Scott Jacobson from The
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  Speaker 4: good Man Project who is still in Ukraine. I think
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  Speaker 4: he's taking up presidents there. We got a lot to
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  Speaker 4: talk about, from Pete Boot to Judge to Perez Hilton
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  Speaker 4: and beyond.
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 4: All right, I am Carrell, Welcome to this Gay Week
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  Speaker 4: on the Correll Show. It is our Thursday show that
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  Speaker 4: we do with Scott Jacobson who is still in Ukraine
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  Speaker 4: where I think either he's found a wife or girl
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  Speaker 4: friend or there's some keeping him there. I gotta tell you, ah,
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  Speaker 4: But he's over there in Ukraine and takes the time
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  Speaker 4: out to talk about gay issues for his column at
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  Speaker 4: the good Man Project. It's a great column. If you
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  Speaker 4: want to go read it, just go to the Goodmanproject
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  Speaker 4: dot com type in his name. You'll see it. Also,
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  Speaker 4: Ravel is going to be posting one of our podcasts
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  Speaker 4: soon so you can go listen to us together. Of course,
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  Speaker 4: you are here now with us, and therefore you don't
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  Speaker 4: need to go anywhere except right here. It was an
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  Speaker 4: interesting week in gay news, both in the United States
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  Speaker 4: and abroad. The view from abroad, that'd be me in
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  Speaker 4: a different country. Who's that broad It's corel ah So.
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  Speaker 4: And we're going to talk about those stories and so
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  Speaker 4: many others. But first let us welcome Scott Jacobson. Here
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  Speaker 4: he is, now there, he is. Bravo, bravo. Don't wave.
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  Speaker 4: It could be seen by a ballistic missile as a
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  Speaker 4: motion or something. Just sit very still, don't want.
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  Speaker 2: To with that's that's onen. We're close to home. We
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  Speaker 2: had a pretty bad attack this morning. We were up
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  Speaker 2: quit early.
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  Speaker 4: Every time you say that, I just shake my head
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  Speaker 4: because it's like so normal for you. Now this is
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  Speaker 4: see this whole theme of this week's show is going
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  Speaker 4: to be things that are normalized but are not, And you,
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  Speaker 4: being in a war zone, have normalized the fact that
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  Speaker 4: this morning bombs fell around you. Anybody, anybody would flee
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  Speaker 4: that would just get out, like I'm not staying where
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  Speaker 4: bombs are falling, But you are choosing to be there
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  Speaker 4: as a journalist, which is commendable. But I also think
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  Speaker 4: now as sort of a friend to the Ukrainians, because
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure you've gotten to know some and you know,
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  Speaker 4: speak to some and rite and so now you're also
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  Speaker 4: there because you're invested in what's going on. Well, let's
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  Speaker 4: start with that, because hey, how often do I get
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  Speaker 4: a guest in the Ukraine? You said yesterday there was
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  Speaker 4: a lot of attacks. Zelensky had come over here for
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  Speaker 4: Lindsey Graham's funeral. And has anything really changed in the
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  Speaker 4: last like say, week or two in terms of how
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  Speaker 4: people are viewing the war. Do they think it's reaching
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  Speaker 4: its final stages or are they hopeful? Or is it
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  Speaker 4: just more of.
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  Speaker 2: The same, more of the same and some different more
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  Speaker 2: of the same. People would like it to end, but
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  Speaker 2: some individual trumpet boot or it would end uh Bootin
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  Speaker 2: started he can end right today.
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  Speaker 4: He could yeah, today, he could end it. He could
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  Speaker 4: just okay, I'm done that.
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  Speaker 2: Some different I mean, you're right about the some things
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  Speaker 2: are the same in terms of routine when we do
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  Speaker 2: have beat attacks like that, sometimes through the bathroom or
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  Speaker 2: it's closet sometimes, but in general, this pretty routine thing
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  Speaker 2: of first thing in the morning, the computer, check the internet,
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  Speaker 2: check astistics, how many died, how many are injured in
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  Speaker 2: the attack and they were were those are pretty loud lasting.
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  Speaker 4: Not a way to live. I feel my heart just
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  Speaker 4: aches for the Ukrainian That is just not a way.
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  Speaker 4: And it's become normal now after five years, and it's
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  Speaker 4: just that's not a way, you know. How do I
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  Speaker 4: say this? Ukrainians now live in a situation where they
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  Speaker 4: shouldn't have to live. That's not a way to live.
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  Speaker 4: And every week we talk about gay issues and the
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  Speaker 4: gay community lives in many places in ways that they
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  Speaker 4: really shouldn't deem normal, in ways that you shouldn't live. Uh,
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  Speaker 4: And it's it's almost the same thing. It's it's maybe
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  Speaker 4: it's not a war where bombs are falling, but there's conflicts,
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  Speaker 4: there's you know, there's just so many people are living
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  Speaker 4: in untenable situations.
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  Speaker 2: Gay people who are here too, oh yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yep, and trying to teach them and trying to have
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  Speaker 4: some normality. They're they're they're trying to have pride, they're
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  Speaker 4: trying to By the way, before we go, could we
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  Speaker 4: revisit what happened to the place with the pigs head.
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  Speaker 4: Did people rally and support them.
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  Speaker 2: Or I set some contacts to them? I did not
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  Speaker 2: get a response. I am inclined to just go there
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  Speaker 2: as a civilian. Hi, I need to get whatever service
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  Speaker 2: you have. Oh and by the way, I have to
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  Speaker 2: can we talk basically this sort of thing, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: play the part of the streat Canadian One thing is different,
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  Speaker 2: not in terms of character, but in terms of stance,
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  Speaker 2: in terms of character, oscillations or vacillatory positions of mister Trump.
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  Speaker 2: Change from will provide patents for patriot missiles now we
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  Speaker 2: will not. The things that are being shot more directed
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  Speaker 2: that or I lift are ballistic missiles. Patriot systems are
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  Speaker 2: the only systems that can intercept.
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  Speaker 1: Time is here. No time to fear.
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  Speaker 3: Karril is so near because show time is here.
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  Speaker 1: So on with the show. Let's give it a go.
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  Speaker 4: Karrill is the one that you need to know. Scott
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  Speaker 4: Jacobson and I doing this gay weeek. He is in Ukraine,
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  Speaker 4: so let's get this right. The fuck tard we call
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  Speaker 4: president told you guys meaning Ukrainians, we're gonna give you
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  Speaker 4: a patent for patriot missiles. We're gonna let you produce them.
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  Speaker 4: That way you can protect yourself from ballistic missiles. Now
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  Speaker 4: he's xnay on the patent ae h. And so the
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  Speaker 4: only weapon that can stop the ballistic missiles from attack
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  Speaker 4: from coming in and harming Ukraine are patriot missiles. And
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  Speaker 4: Ukraine doesn't have the patent or do they have the missiles?
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  Speaker 4: Is that basically the idea?
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  Speaker 2: Correct, we have patriot systems, we don't have munitions for
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  Speaker 2: patriot systems well, and therefore if a missile is shot,
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  Speaker 2: it will land, according to that's a According to.
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  Speaker 4: The media, we don't have many left either.
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  Speaker 2: Go figure that's true. There's at least two types. The majority,
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  Speaker 2: virtually all of those types of long range precision strike
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  Speaker 2: missiles of the American arsenal are completely spent. Those are reporting,
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  Speaker 2: are the right pere royers recently?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's ridiculous. All right, A couple things first. Let's
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  Speaker 4: start with Pete booted judge, not judge with a D
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  Speaker 4: but booted booted judge.
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  Speaker 2: I had looked at it, but judge who people judge?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, well, yeah, Buddy is the front runner for president
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  Speaker 4: a little underreported story in this country with international ramifications,
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  Speaker 4: which is a hater because that's really going to be
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  Speaker 4: the theme for today's show. A hater anonymously reported that
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  Speaker 4: the kids Pete and Chastain boota judge have kids, were
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  Speaker 4: being abused in some sort of danger. CPS then required
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  Speaker 4: that the children leave the home, so they had to
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  Speaker 4: go live with the grandparents for a month, which is
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  Speaker 4: traumatic for under it, you know, for four year old,
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  Speaker 4: five year old or.
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  Speaker 2: Four years old.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's traumatic. Meanwhile, CPS actually investigated Pete and Chastin,
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  Speaker 4: two of the most public people, two of the best
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  Speaker 4: parents around the entire world. Knows what good parents they are,
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  Speaker 4: and yet they go and investigate Pete and Chastin, find
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  Speaker 4: out that the completely unfounded, you know, and no credibility
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  Speaker 4: at all, and of course return the children to him.
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  Speaker 4: But this is very serious and it speaks to something
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  Speaker 4: that gays and lesbians have been privy to for decades,
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  Speaker 4: which is someone can lob some sort of erroneous bullshit
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  Speaker 4: complaint upon them and suddenly their whole lives are upended,
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  Speaker 4: particularly gay parents. I looked it up. This doesn't just
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  Speaker 4: happen to Pete and chast. This has happened across the
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  Speaker 4: world where gay parents someone doesn't like the fact that
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  Speaker 4: they're raising children and they think, oh, well, they must
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  Speaker 4: be abusing them, and they report them with no basis
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  Speaker 4: and anonymously, and then the gay parents have to prove
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  Speaker 4: that they're actually good parents even though it's some anonymous
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  Speaker 4: hater that has reported them. It's really traffic. Yeah, it
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  Speaker 4: is actually good word for it, asymmetric burden of proof.
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  Speaker 4: And Pete was on George stephanopfl As saying that they
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  Speaker 4: are trying to find out who did this because it's
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  Speaker 4: a felony in the United States to make a false
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  Speaker 4: report about this. But it was anonymous. Yeah, however, not everything,
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  Speaker 4: you know. I mean, they might say it's anonymous, but
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  Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like they have to have
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  Speaker 4: some ways to track things. I mean, there's slot cameras
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  Speaker 4: everywhere nowadays. Just you know, look at one of those.
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  Speaker 4: But it's really really sad, and it's a gay person
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  Speaker 4: suffering the consequences of a Now yesterday on my show, Scott,
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  Speaker 4: I know you are a journalist, a really great one.
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  Speaker 4: Sometimes you say shit, I don't understand, and I'm a journalist,
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  Speaker 4: but I want when I say this to you, I
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  Speaker 4: want you to listen to me. Okay, don't let the
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  Speaker 4: journalists take over. Okay, do not go watch the Perez
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  Speaker 4: Hilton video. Okay, don't do it. You're in a war zone.
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  Speaker 4: It is it is as traumatic as anything that you
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  Speaker 4: may see in your war zone. It is traumatic.
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  Speaker 2: Oh to watch very interesting ones.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, don't go watch the Perez one. So Perez Hilton,
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  Speaker 4: as everyone now knows, went live on TikTok. His account
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  Speaker 4: has now been suspended. He went live on TikTok and
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  Speaker 4: had a psychotic break, got completely naked, got a kid
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  Speaker 4: a knife, and started cutting himself all over for thirty
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  Speaker 4: four minutes. Sliced across his forehead and bled down his face,
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  Speaker 4: sliced his arms, his back, his neck, his genitalia, his legs,
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  Speaker 4: and as horrible as that is, Perez Hilton being one
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  Speaker 4: of the first openly gay successful social media influencers. I
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  Speaker 4: don't like him, by the way. I don't like what
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  Speaker 4: he did. I'm meaning the kind of blogging that he did.
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  Speaker 4: I don't like that he outed people. There's a lot
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  Speaker 4: about him I don't like. But one of the things
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  Speaker 4: I noticed, and we have talked about, online hatred, online bigotry,
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  Speaker 4: and all of that. One of the things I noticed
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  Speaker 4: was as he was cutting himself, he was saying comments
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  Speaker 4: that people had commented down below his videos. He was
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  Speaker 4: saying things like, isn't this what you want me to do?
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  Speaker 4: Isn't this what you want me to see or what
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  Speaker 4: you want to see me do? I'm a loser, I'm
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  Speaker 4: a piece of crap. I shouldn't be a parent. That
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  Speaker 4: came up. I shouldn't be a parent, just like with
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  Speaker 4: Pete Buddha, judge, you know it came up. And so
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  Speaker 4: I'm not saying that online hatred caused his psychotic break.
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  Speaker 4: I think either he has an illness or a medication
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  Speaker 4: or something. A sepsisk would do it, and he had
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  Speaker 4: sepsist before. But I am saying that this online hatred
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  Speaker 4: that he received obviously resonates so much with him that
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  Speaker 4: as he is cutting himself up, he is quoting the
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  Speaker 4: online haters. Ariana Grand has said she is stepping back
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  Speaker 4: from public life, and one of the reasons is all
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  Speaker 4: of the online hatred heaped upon her, particularly around her
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  Speaker 4: body and how she looks. And we have this alarming trend.
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  Speaker 4: I just saw two guys I follow that are just
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  Speaker 4: these two British folks, two British guys. They're not even gay,
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  Speaker 4: I think, and they just go to American towns and
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  Speaker 4: publicize the town and the food and all this other stuff.
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  Speaker 4: And they were showing all of these hate comments. And then,
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  Speaker 4: of course, two days ago, I spent three hours creating
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  Speaker 4: my video you have to Be Proud, which comes out
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  Speaker 4: this coming week. The video posting one hundred hate comments
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  Speaker 4: that I got just in the last three days, saying
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  Speaker 4: die fag, I want to pay for your demise. You know,
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  Speaker 4: haters have become extraordinarily emboldened online, and if the media
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  Speaker 4: companies don't start doing something about it, I hope they
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  Speaker 4: start to be held liable because now we can actually
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  Speaker 4: prove damages. There's actual damages. Thousands of people that watch
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  Speaker 4: Perez Hilton need I need therapy after watching it. It
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  Speaker 4: was horrific. It was like out of the Evil Dead.
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  Speaker 4: It was just horrific to watch this gay slice himself
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  Speaker 4: up while repeating hateful comments that he got online. And
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  Speaker 4: so I just really hope that media companies start regulating
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  Speaker 4: hate speech, particularly towards the LGBTQ community worldwide. And I
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  Speaker 4: had a question for you. I know, in Canada, hate
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  Speaker 4: speech is prohibited. You can't it's illegal. You can't say
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  Speaker 4: these sort of things to people. Is it also prohibited
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  Speaker 4: on social media? So if I live in Canada and
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  Speaker 4: I have an Instagram account in Canada, you know, because
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  Speaker 4: I'm in Canada and commenters post these kind of comments
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  Speaker 4: under my post, are they violating the law?
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking that's a great question. Section three eighteen three
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  Speaker 2: nineteen of the Criminal Code considered a criminal offense to
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  Speaker 2: advocate gensipublican inside hatred or willfully prote hatred against any
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  Speaker 2: of the viable group defined by color, race, religion, national
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  Speaker 2: ethic origin, age, sex, sexual orientation, or mental physical disability.
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  Speaker 2: Bill C nine, Cut nine was enacted to strength and
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  Speaker 2: hate crime and speak protections, and it defines legal thresholds
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  Speaker 2: for hatred, association with prolification and detestation. And it's also
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  Speaker 2: known as the Combating Hate Act. More point that.
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  Speaker 4: Goes to media companies, like social media companies, because they
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  Speaker 4: would be liable in that case.
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  Speaker 2: It's very Yeah, it's very delicate nationally in open societies,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, because the question if you frame to close societies,
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  Speaker 2: I mean typically the THEO, the theocric is that run
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  Speaker 2: those or the autookers that run those. The audio either
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  Speaker 2: the political ideology or the religious interpretation aren't friendly to
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  Speaker 2: minority groups anyway, So it's sort of a it's already
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  Speaker 2: a foregone conclusion. And open societies we have more range
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  Speaker 2: of latitude possibilities for good treatment and bad treatment. So
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  Speaker 2: Safe Social Media Act built c. DASH thirty four introduced
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  Speaker 2: to mandate digital safety frameworks holding social media companies to
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  Speaker 2: your point, companies financially accountable for pasting severe harms like
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  Speaker 2: incitement of violence or hatred, opposing safety designs for minors,
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  Speaker 2: So safet designs from minors, that's very good. Incitement of
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  Speaker 2: violence or hatred, where you can find any form of
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  Speaker 2: severe harm, that'll be the very interesting case.
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  Speaker 4: This case, I wish I lived in Canada, and maybe
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  Speaker 4: I will because there are people posting under my post,
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  Speaker 4: I will pay for your demise. Why don't we send
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  Speaker 4: you to Pakistan so they can throw you off a roof?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, and that's wishing me bodily harm,
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  Speaker 4: all right. It's rough enough to get a date in
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  Speaker 4: China if you're gay, and now it's going to get
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  Speaker 4: even harder. Mainly because you can tell who's gain who's
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  Speaker 4: not in China, gay or Asian and play that game. Apple.
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  Speaker 4: You know, Apple has removed gay dating apps from the
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  Speaker 4: Chinese app store at the host of the government, and
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  Speaker 4: I myself am kind of furious about it. Apple, who
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  Speaker 4: is on my shit list anyway, even though I have
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  Speaker 4: their tattoo in all of their products, because they're getting
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  Speaker 4: two billion dollars from Donald Trump and the tariff rebate
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  Speaker 4: and they're not giving that back to anybody who spent
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  Speaker 4: more money on their products. But they're doing this so
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  Speaker 4: they can continue to operate the app store in China.
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  Speaker 4: If they did not remove the gay dating apps from
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  Speaker 4: the Chinese app store, then the app store all together
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  Speaker 4: would be banned. And so in order to continue to
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  Speaker 4: let them have access to some of the app store,
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  Speaker 4: they're taking the gay dating apps down. And I had
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  Speaker 4: to question, is that how allies behave? And the answer
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  Speaker 4: is no. And I just wonder how Tim Cook, a
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  Speaker 4: self loathing gay man obvious because of his love affair
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  Speaker 4: with Donald Trump. I just wonder how Tim Cook reconciles
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  Speaker 4: that as a gay man. If I ran Apple and
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  Speaker 4: China said you have to remove the gay dating apps
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  Speaker 4: to have the app store in China, I'd say, then,
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  Speaker 4: I guess we're closing the app store in China. I guess.
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  Speaker 4: I guess you Chinese will not look. They're a trillion
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  Speaker 4: dollar company. They don't need this. Ain't like they're gonna
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  Speaker 4: go bust if they don't sell apps in China.
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  Speaker 2: Probably it's the question does he identify more with his
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  Speaker 2: corporate capitalist job or his gay identity.
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  Speaker 4: Oh you want me to answer that for you please?
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  Speaker 4: Money talks being gay walks where Tim Cook is concerned.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, he all but got on his knees in
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  Speaker 4: front of Donald Trump. He handed him a fucking trophy,
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  Speaker 4: the guy who's the biggest anti homophobe, anti trans in
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  Speaker 4: the world, and Tim Cook hands in a god trophy.
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  Speaker 4: So obviously we know where he sits, and he's being replaced,
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  Speaker 4: and I'd like to I would like to see what
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  Speaker 4: the successor at Apple does. Maybe the straight guy will
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  Speaker 4: be even more gay friendly than Tim Cook, more with
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  Speaker 4: Tim Cook than Yeah, exactly. Now you know we're talking
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  Speaker 4: about hatred, we're talking about online hatred. We're talking about,
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  Speaker 4: you know, escaping that kind of stuff. Monica Helms she
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  Speaker 4: created the trans Pride flag, which was created by you know,
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  Speaker 4: a woman, and she has seen enough. Following the re
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  Speaker 4: election of Donald Trump, Monica Helms, the creator of the
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  Speaker 4: trans flag, and her wife Darlene Wagner, watched with horror
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  Speaker 4: as the new administration moved to rapidly dismantled transgendered rights.
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  Speaker 4: At first, like so many of us, they thought, well,
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  Speaker 4: how bad could this get? And it got bad. They
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  Speaker 4: thought about moving from Georgia to a blue state which
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  Speaker 4: has protections for transgendered people, but they just couldn't. They thought, no,
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: it's gonna get bad everywhere. So Helms and Wagner opted
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: to move out of the country to Costa Rica and
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: they plan on staying there. So the inventor and designer
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: of the Pride trans flag that so many trans people
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: in America fly with pride, has left the country to
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: go to Costa Rica because of this country stands on
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: trans people. I find that sad is what I find that.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: I find that story very, very sad.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: The greener passes for them are Equaldex ranking Costa Rica's
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: number one in Central America.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah. The former editor at Advocate and now the head
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: of Gallica Gain of the entertainment critics, Dan Minshall. She
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: her side hustle.
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: Now is Costa Rica.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: Revocation for game, but it made it a missus MS
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: missus stay.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Now is shue.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: All right? So they even didn't go fund me, which God,
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: maybe I should get out of the country. Of course
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: they only did it for ten grand. That's wishful thinking.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: I would need like a million dollars to leave the country,
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: and that's really what you need if you want. I mean,
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: I know that sounds like an obtruse figure, but if
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: you're gonna move to Ireland or Spain or Goal the UK,
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: any of those places you want to buy a house,
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: it's going to be half a million dollars, you know,
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: right there. So, in discussing the move to Costa Rica,
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: she said she is finally sleeping through the night after
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: she endured many anxious and sleepless nights due to the
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: Trump administration's ongoing attacks on transgendered people, which included a
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: ban on trans military service, a campaign to restrict transgender
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: to non binary individuals from accurately reflecting their gender markers
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: on their passports, and an aggressive push to redistrict gender
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: affirming care, especially for youth and young adults. So, she
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: added Ice rated the Hyundai facility in Georgia and took
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: in three hundred people. It's ridiculous. We just don't want
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: to be anywhere near any of that. So the designer
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: of the trans Pride flag has fled to Costa Rica
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: because of what's going on. That's almost like Betsy Ross
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: moving to like Guatemala, you know what I mean. It's
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: like you know who Betsy Ross is.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Right, it's famous whatever else.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: Oh you are Canadian, Betsy fucking Ross. He sowed the
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: first American flag.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Oh there she is.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Oh, we're going to give you a basic
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: civics exam here, Betsy Ross.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Come on, I'm not moving to America. I'm going to know.
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pretty sad. When it's safer in Ukraine than
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: the USA, I gotta pretty pretty.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, you take the report of the borders rescranking.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: I am freer as a press person here, not safer,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: but I am freer.
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: Well, Donald Trump just left this week. He when some
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: reporter said he was with MS now it's in the
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: Oval office, chastised him, told him not to speak, said
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: that his network was crap, and then no one watches it,
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: no one listens to it and did and told him
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: not to ask him any more questions.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, and this is in the that step by
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: step is almost a general pattern of discrediting and then
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: avoiding the question.
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: Now there's a group called Outright International and recently Laverne Cox,
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: who I've interviewed and I love and ador I really
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: love how open she's been about the criticisms she received.
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: She dated a MAGA cop, she dated a cop that
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: was a Trump supporter for three years. She lost a
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: lot of followers over it, she got a lot of
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: hatred about it, and she did justify it, albeit weekly,
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: meaning you know, well we just don't talk politics, or
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: maybe I'm trying to you know, he's changing his mind
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: or whatever. But they're not together now obviously because he
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: wouldn't take her home to meet the family or anything,
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: you know. Anyway, Laverne Cox hosted Outright International's annual Celebration
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: of Courage Awards at the Chelsea Pier on June first,
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: as the organization honored Brazilian Democracy Institute Vote LGBT or
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: Felipa Desusa Award, and then Cindy Lauper, who also got
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: the Outspoken Award, and Levi Strauss, who got the Outstanding Award.
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: We all want to live in a global world where
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: LGBTQ people can be free to live our lives Outright
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: International Executive Director Maria Soljin said in an interview with
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: Gay City News. To get New Yorkers to also think
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: about the rest of the world, I think it's pretty
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: cute cool. Vote LGBT in Brazil is an NGO. It
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: is led by Brew Petia and Gui Mohollum. Vote LGBTQ
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: has created digital infrastructure and resources to mobilize voters, support
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: legislation to protect LGBTQIA people and bring more LGBTQ voices
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: into politics. In just ten years, Vote lgbt has transformed
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: Brazil's political candidacies from three openly gay candidates for government
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: positions to more than three thousand and has mobilized more
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: than three million voters in Brazil. So what a great
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: organization and what a piece of good news. And I'm
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: glad they got the award.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Maybe Bill was comfortable. Probably the Netherlands or France in
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: terms of lgbt equality.
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: They are one of the leading nations in terms of
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: in that in that region. Latin America, for LGBTQ rights, so,
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: you know, but and good for them. But it's nice
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: that in America we are recognizing organizations that we could
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: actually use here.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: The amount of LGBTQ candidates reached an all time high
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: about two years ago here in America and now they're
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: on the decline again. Some are winning, I'm not you know,
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: I'm not counting out the ones that are winning here
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: in our country. We do have some and this week
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: we saw a very progressive man with an Arab name
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: in Michigan win the Democratic primary, which is encouraging and
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: he's very pro LGBTQ. So that's great. But congratulations, congratulations
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: to the Brazilian organization for their award, and congratulations to
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: Laverne Cox and Cyndi Lauper as well, because they both
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: got awards. By the way, his name is El Sayed
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: Abdul l Sayed, and he jokes openly about how someone
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: with his name should not be winning in American politics,
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: but he did. And he identifies as a Democratic Socialist,
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: although we've had some issue in the last week with
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: people identifying as that because the actual Democratic Socialist Party
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: came out with their platform and it is not the
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: platform of these people. It is not what they believe.
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: They don't want to abolish Congress and get rid of
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: the borders and open all the jails. And you know,
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: so the Democrats are going to have to figure out
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: how they're going to deal with the socialist wing of
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: the Democratic Party. But calling them democratic socialists is not
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: going to work. Now, Well, Brazil is leading the way
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: we have h there was a warning issued. I'm trying
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: to find the story. Uh, there was a warning issued
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: about all the anti gay laws happening in West Africa
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: and that anti LGBTQ laws, which we have covered here
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: on the show. There's a lot of them. Activists in
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: the regions say politicians regard gay people as the easiest
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: scapegoats to maintain their power. Isn't that universal? Don't you
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: think that's universal?
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: I think scapegoats are universal. I think LGBTU one of
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: the more or one of the most prominent for sure.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, if you want to try to ignite a conservative
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: base attack gays, I mean, let's be real. MAGA has
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: never met a transperson. Most MAGA never met a transperson
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: in their lives, and if they have, they don't know
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: that they have. And they certainly have never seen one
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: in a bathroom.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: That second point is very important.
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: Actually, yes, they didn't know they had met. All right,
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: we'll be back but more. Scott Jacobson in the Ukraine,
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: barring any ballistic mythsial for the rest of races on
• 29:14
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• 29:18
  Speaker 4: birthday week. My late husband would have been sixteenth this Friday,
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: and he would have still said, I'm younger.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: It's broadcasting from a completely different point of view.
• 29:27
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• 29:47
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• 30:12
  Speaker 4: No, Scott Jacobson, as always, every week we do this
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  Speaker 4: gay week. He does it for the good Man Project
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: and I do it for you. Besides, you all will
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: take in a liking to Scott. So you know what
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: the hell, who couldn't so look at that face? Ah
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: So anti LGBTQ laws are on the rise across West Africa.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: Here's just a little list. In March, Senegal doubled the
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: maximum maximum prison sentence for gay sex to ten years,
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: which it seems kind of dumb to put someone in
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: an all male prison for gay sex. But I mean,
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: aren't you just sending him to Disneyland? I mean, anyway,
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I know that prison
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: is horrible, particularly in Africa for gay people. I'm just
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: being a little levity here. Senegal doubled the maximum prison
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: sentence for gay sex to ten years and criminalized the
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: promotion of homosexual isn't it It's just and the promote
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: the promotion. What does that mean? You know, like, are
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: you out there passing out flyers? I mean, you know,
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: what does it mean? Niger? Not Niger? People say Niger,
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: but it's Niger. Niger criminalized sexual relations for the person
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: of the same sex in February, the first time same
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: sex intimacy had been outlawed in that country since the
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: country existed. Suddenly there was a need. Mali and Burkina Fasso,
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: which neighbor in Niger, also criminalized same sex relations for
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: the first time in the last two years. All three
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: are ruled by military juntas. So a whole bunch of
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: men in drag meaning military drag, A whole bunch of
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: men in military drag that hang out with other men
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: in military drag, that shower with other men in military
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: drag and live with other men in military drag, have
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: decided that same sex attraction is bad. Okay, got it?
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: Got it. In June, Ghana, which already outlaws k sex,
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: passed the law criminalizing gay activities. What does that mean?
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: Fashion designing? You know, interior decorating is now illegal there.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: I mean what hairdressing?
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: They have no hair dressing anything involving color, proportion and taste.
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: Right, cooking, they have no cooks, They have no hairdressers,
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: no interior designers. That country is a mess.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: The bill which hasn't right nail salons out they go.
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: The bill which hasn't been signed into law by the president,
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: is the latest iteration of a bill that was first
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: introduced in twenty twenty one. According to Anthony o'lock of
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: Pan Africa ILGA, a continental LGBTQ plus rights campaign group,
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: what I see in all of these is a common thread,
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: and that common thread is political opportunism. In some countries.
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: He said the newer harsher laws had been backed by
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: religion groups or campaigns for them from family values rooted
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: in where where are they rooted? Yep, While then Burkina Fasso,
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: whose population is Muslim, the law was framed as boosting
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: its sovereign opposition to the West. Underneath all of that,
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: there's a lot of transition, transnational reinforcement. LGBTQ people are
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: the easy escapegoats to maintain their power. Set an activists
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: in Burkina Fossil who would not be named for fear
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: of being killed. The police are entrapping gay people on
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: social media, demanding they denounce other community members, asking them
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: to rat on other community members. Pol Yes, the police,
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: they're doing grinder profiles and then you know, arresting them
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: when they arrive. You know, I heard something along them.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Some of those police officers can only assume the actually
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: just reactivated their.
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: Look Like George Michael said, the cop that arrested him
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: for lude conduct in that park and will Rogers Park
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: got what he came for before he arrested him.
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: So you know.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: The one they do internationally that I wanted to talk
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: about is I've been calling Netanyahu a war criminal, and
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: I have categorically said what Israel has done in Palestine
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: is genocide. And there's been a lot of conversation about
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: how gay people should be viewing the crisis in Israel
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: in the Middle East, and it's being framed as Israel
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: is pro gay, Gaza is anti gay, so gays should
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: be on the time the side of Israel. And I
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: saw a comic who is Muslim who actually said to
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: someone who was saying this in the audience, you are
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: assuming that gay people don't have a brain to think
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: for themselves and that they would just align themselves with
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: Israel because of this, Israel is pro g You know,
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: tel Aviv is a great place for gay people, although
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: there aren't many played for four gay people in the belief,
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: so you know tel Aviv.
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• 35:46
  Speaker 4: Scott Jacobson in Ukraine Corral in Las Vegas, where it's
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: hotter than it is in Saudi Arabia, and I'm not
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: making that up. It is currently one hundred and fourteen
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: degrees here. So I bring that up because I think
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: it's hard for people to understand how me and others
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: as gay people can actually condemn the genocide happening in
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: Gaza when we should, I guess, just not care that
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: they're being killed because they're anti gay. It's like, well,
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: they're Muslim and they're anti gay, so who the fuck cares?
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: Let you and let them die. And I just wanted
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: to state today on this Gay Week that gays and
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: lesbians know what it's like to be attacked and to
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: be marginalized. And we may not agree with the way
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: the Muslims treat us, but understand this, there are gay
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: people in Gaza and the West Bank, and a majority
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: of Palestinians accept them. Maybe they don't openly condone it
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: and let them wave their pride flag, but they don't
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: stone them or throw them off buildings. Okay, they let
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: them be integrated into society. It is only Hamas and
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: the extremist. I actually saw a gay hamas member, which
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: was like a gay skinhead. It's such an oxymoron to me,
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: like jumbo shrimper, compassionate conservative or whatever. But we as
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: gay people know what it's like to be attacked and
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: to be marginalized simply because of who you are. And
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: I think that's why the plight of the Palestinians has
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: gay and lesbian allies and supporters. Not because we support
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: all of their policies and not because we don't know
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: that many Muslims would throw us off a building, but
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: because we don't like to see bullies picking on other
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: people that are weaker than they are. And there is
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: no doubt that right now the Palestinians are weaker than
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: the Israelis. They don't have the bombs. They don't have
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: they blew them all to hell. They don't even have
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: an infrastructure. So I think that's what people don't understand. Yes,
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: Israel is more pro gay than Gaza or the West Bank, absolutely,
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: but that doesn't mean we condone genocide. And I think
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: two things can be true at the same time. We
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: can say, yes, Israel is better on gay rights than
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: the West Bank than Gaza, but we also don't support
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: the Israeli genocide of the Palestinians. I think that two
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: things can be true, because people were questioning at gay
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: pride festivals across the world, there have been people carrying
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: signs that say free Palestine, and they're like, how can
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: gays support this, you know, because the Palestinians are not
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: pro or not gay friendly, And I think right now
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: they would take food and water from anyone that was
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: bringing it, whether they were wearing, whether it was a
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: drag queen, you know, it could be Delta work or
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: Rue Paul delivering it, and they you know, they'd take it.
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: So anyway, I just wanted to you know, that is
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: a world event, and it's odd that the gays are
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: now caught in the sort of the crosshairs of that,
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: where people are wondering, how are gays condemning the genocide
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: when you're just killing people that don't like you anyway,
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: And it's like, just because someone doesn't like me doesn't
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: mean they should.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Die well, and that the two things going to mind
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: when you're mentioning at the earlier part of this particular
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: episode today, the types of hate mail that you've gotten
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: in the last three days, over one hundred or approximately
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: one hundred of them. They were asking demanding your.
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: Death essentially, and they were Muslim.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: You know that's right, and so you get this openly
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: and other having that inflicted upon them without the words necessarily.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: I'm Another part that comes to mind here is most
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: people do not have an opinion about most things, and
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: therefore it's unfair to just come to some random gay
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: guy or random lesbian woman and say, what's your opinion
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: about this substantial piece of international news and commentary, digial
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: politics peripherally related to your everyday life or to your country.
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: Really, I agree, sure it is unfair. I know many
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: gay people who are blissfully uninformed about the world, and
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: God bless them, they live happier lives than I do.
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: And that's the truth they You know, they worry more
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: about is Chandela and whatever in a fight on RuPaul's
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: drag race than you know, what's going on in Gaza.
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: And I'm not doubting them they are happier than me,
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: because when you pay attention to the world.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: As you are, are they doing reruns of Friends? Chandler
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Bing is dead exactly whatever.
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: Some good news, So the Southwest of England has their
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: first gay inclusive rugby team and a lot of them
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: are hot as fuck, by the way, and they are
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: going to play in an international competition which is a
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: once in a lifetime event for them. The Bristol Bisons
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: Go Bisons, set up in two thousand and five, will
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: head to Brisbane, Australia to take part in the Bingham
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: Cup and Internettional Gay Rugby Union Tournament. It's the August
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: nineteenth of the twenty third. You're still time to go
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: if anyone wants to head down to Australia. It aims
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: to attract players from around the world and marks the
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: first time that the Bristol Bisons have played the Southern Hemisphere.
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: My question, do they have bisons in the UK? How
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: the fuck do they even know what a bison is?
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: In the UK? Do they have bisons? I thought that
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: was I don't know, but I checked.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: I just checked out some things that you will very
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: much love. They have a chance, a motto and a
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: vibe chant is Bison, spic and Spice. The motto is
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: one city, one club, one hurt, and the vibe is
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: everyone is welcome on and off the pitch, So they
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: are on point.
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: If they knew what a bison was I don't think
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: they'd be cheering for a bison.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: How you're that.
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: I love bison by the way I wrote them. My
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: friend Karen Ditman would tell you a story about how
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: a bison destroyed my camquorder. Catalina Island.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: Will think about Byson so off of Okay.
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: So Catalina Island, which is an island right off of
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: southern California, twenty two miles off the coast. The Wrigleys,
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: the chewing gum people used to own it, and when
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: the bisons were about to be extinct, they decided to
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: transplant a herd of bison to Catalina Island so they
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: could thrive. Well they have. They're all over the fucking island.
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: There's so many that the airport, which is one of
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: the most dangerous airports in the world because the runway
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: is like this as you're going. As you're going, you
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: can't see the other side of it, and there's a
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: cliff that goes down into the ocean if you miss it.
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: But Tom Cruise flies his plane into that airport so
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: he can get a bison burger because they sell them
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: at the airport there. So we were on a tour
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: of Katalin Island. We went over to spend the weekend
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: and I'm sitting there. This is when we had the
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: big VHS cam quarters and I'm sitting there, just cam
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: courting away and I and We're going through like a
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: little narrow hillside on the island. And I turned to
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: camcord and right at my window is a bison's head.
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: This bison was just trying to look into the bus, right,
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: so I have the camp quorder. I turn and look,
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: and I go like a girl, and I stand up,
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: and the camp quorder on this crowded tour boats hits
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: the floor and slides all the way to the back
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: of the bus, coming apart on its way. And my
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: and Karen and Andrew, who would be sixty Friday, just
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: were tickled to death that a bison made me destroy
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: my camp quorarder quite directly. So yeah, I do have
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: a thing. In more good news, Diana Ross, the Queen
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: the Goddess, one of the gayest icons alive all hell.
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: Miss Ross performed in Brighton Pride right after her first
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: ever gig in the Czech Republic. She done the Czech
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: Republic before, and then she hot on a plane private
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: I'm sure. At eighty two years old and flew to
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: Brighton to do Brighton Pride, the largest Pride festival in
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: all of the UK. She did a set of six songs,
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: was only supposed to do three, did six and then
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: her encore was a new song that she wrote just
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: for her gay fans for that event, which she is
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: now going to release called bu B and the U
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: B You, and the whole lyrics are love, joy, Pride,
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: be you, you know that sort of stuff. Ray performed
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: at Brighton Pride. Almost every giant. Kylie Minau showed up
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: at Brighton Pride. Madonna appeared at World Pride in Amsterdam
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: with Kylie Minoau. I would just like to say to
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: all the American Pride organizations that can't even book a
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: decent dance at you gotta get you all shit together,
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: because the UK is kicking our ass when it comes
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: to Thailand. At our pride festivals, we get Lawanda James,
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: the cast off of you know, RuPaul's Drag Race, and
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: I don't know who Lawanda James is. I don't think
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: there is one. But they're getting Diana Ross and Ray
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: and Kylie Minau and all these people. But kudos to
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: Brighton Pride. It was one of their most successful weekends
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: ever record attendance, and that was helped by the fact
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: that Diana Ross did make an appearance at eighty two
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: years old. She loves her gay and lesbian audience. She
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: made that very clear and wrote a song for them specifically.
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: And at a time where you have some artists canceling
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: things or you know, being homophobic or whatever it might be,
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: it's so great to see one of the world's biggest
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: pop stars still remembering her gay and lesbian audience. That
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: is really cool and very special and I'm very very
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: glad that she went and the coverage about it has
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: been really great. The media has been very kind to
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: the bright Pride festivals. That's great. Gay farmers go, I
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: was a farmer. Well, there's a group of gay farmers
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: out of Bedfordshire. And by the way, we're in a
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: farming crisis. A. There's not enough farmers. That's the first
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: thing who says, well, I want to be a farmer. B.
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: There's not enough young people that want to be farmers.
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: I mean A, there's only young people that want to
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: be farmers B in the UK right now. All their
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: crops are dying because of record heat and they don't
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: know it's going to be an interruption to the global
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: food supply. So not only do we need more farmers,
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: we need them to farm in new places. So we
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: need new farmers farming in new places where the climate's
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: going to be better. But there's a young farmer. She's
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: a lesbian. I laughed because if you saw the picture,
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: you wouldn't even have to ask she's a lesbian, and
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: she's saying that the farming industry is very lonely and
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: still very homophobic, and that as an industry it needs
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: to move forward into LGBTQ acceptance of people who gay
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: farm I actually follow a few guys on Instagram that
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: are gay farmers here in America in the Midwest, and
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: they talk about this as well, that there is still
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: They don't run into it like every single day, but
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: they do run into it quite a bit at the
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: John Deere store or at the hay store, or wherever
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: it might be. They do run into it. So a
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: young farmer in the UK have spoken about the challenges
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: of the rural industry making it more inclusive. Emily Brown
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: Farms wheat and Barley manages pigs, turkeys and beef cows
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: at Brown's of Stagston in Bedfordshire. She's twenty seven and
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: she started or she's now a member of ag Respect,
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: a g R E, s P E C T ag Respect,
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: which champions diversity and inclusion in the country and has
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: provided a great opportunity for those in the LGBT two
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: community to meet up and not feel so alone and isolated.
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: She said that we farmers are lonely as it is.
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: It is a lonely profession and it can be isolating.
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: You are working from day until night, so it's super
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: important you are checking up on one another. Historically you
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: would have had one bad harvest every eight to ten years.
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: Now you're getting them almost every year. It is hard
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: enough right now to be a farmer. We don't need
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: to make it harder by excluding people who want to
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: come into the industry but are afraid because of homophobia
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: and other bigotry. You said, you're a farmer, what do
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: you think.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: We need more farmers?
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: But did you see homophobia and bigotry against you know,
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: other farmers. Did you ever meet did you ever meet
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: gay farmers?
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: I'm at gay trainers.
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but see like over in Africa horse training, that
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: would be a gay activity. So just say it. Yeah, so,
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: but you never really met any gay farmers.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: Good question.
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: See, I think that's what she's talking about. Either they're
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: in the field and.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: It's also between ranch farming and equestrianism.
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: Well, I think she's I think what she's trying to
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: stress is that either they have to hide it, you know,
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: they have to hide it, which is isolating, or they're
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: afraid to get into the profession because of perceived Let
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: me give you a good example about how perceived homophobia
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: can prevent things. I got a motorcycle in twenty two
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: thousand and five is when I've got my first bike,
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: so I've been riding for twenty one years. When I
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: got it, I got it for gas purposes and all
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: of that. I didn't really think about that I was
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: quote becoming a bi biker unquote, but suddenly I was.
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: And I started riding with all of my friends who
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: were straight by the way, big burly, straight, handsome young bikers,
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: and I got worried, like, am I going to be
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: beaten and killed? Because we're going to biker places, We're
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: going to sturge us, We're going to uh Blacksmith's Corner
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: in Orange County, which is a very famous if you're
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: a biker, I wouldn't even have to tell you where
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: it is. You would know. But it's a biker bar
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: and Tributo Canyon, you know. And we went, we went
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: to other biker hangouts and I'm talking bikers, I mean,
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: you know, bikeers. And here I'm riding up on these bagels,
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: huge motorcycles that the motorcycle industry gave me the council
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: so I could ride, and I've got all the gears.
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: Now it's show side. All right, we are back Scott Jacobson. Here,
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: We're going to finish up. But what I was gonna
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: say is all I got. Did I get a little homophobia? Yeah,
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: there was a couple assholes, but there's always a couple
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: assholes for the most part. With I accepted and no
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: one even made a big deal about it. Absolutely, we
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: talked about the bike I was on, We talked about gear,
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: we talked about great rides we have gone on, or
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: riding across Ireland or riding through friends. It just never
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: came up. It just and then let me tell you.
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: We were in Monterey for Laguna SEKA a big bike
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: event where there's a race, and we walk in. So James,
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: my riding partner, long blonde hair, beautiful man, gorgeous, straight
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: as can be, beautiful man. We're meeting other friends at
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: the Charthhouse in Monterey where I'm on the radio there.
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: We go in to meet our friend. Me and James
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: walk up to the bar. They won't service. This is
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: in Monterey, California, in like twenty ten, they wouldn't service.
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: Oh we're out of beer. Okay, we'll have a shot
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: of whiskey. We're out of whiskey. And suddenly I look
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: at James and I go, I know what this is.
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: And I look at the bartender. I go, oh my god,
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: this is homophobia. You're being homophobic. You don't you think
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: he and I are a couple and you don't want
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: us in your chart house. And so the manager came
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: and assured me that wasn't the case. You know that,
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: Oh that's not the case. That's not the case. I said, Okay,
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: what the bartender tell you? He goes, well, he said
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: he can't serve you because you're already drunk. We weren't.
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: We hadn't been drinking. So my friends. My biker friends
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: come up to the bar after they see that we're
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: not being served, the four of them, and they're all straight.
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: Can I tell you. They tried to grab the bartender,
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: take him outside and beat him to death. I'm not
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: making this up. I had to protect the homophobes. I
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: had to say, no, I'm used to this. This is
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: not new this, this this is homophobia. They were going
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: to beat the bar owner and the bar tender on
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: my behalf because they wouldn't serve me because I was gay.
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: So my experience in the biking world isn't homophobia. It's
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: the exact opposite. My biker friends got pissed when they
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: saw homophobia. They didn't like it. So it's very interesting.
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: So I wonder if in farming it's the same way.
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: I wonder if there it's perceived that it's homophobic, but
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: it really isn't. I don't know. I'm not.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: Yes, So I was in not in Western riding. It
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: was primarily in English riding, and in English riding was
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: one hundred jumper barn should primarily and there's that's it
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: was a higher end bar in They were former Olympians themselves,
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: former trainer, former Olympic for Team Canada, they trained the
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: top women shown in the world, and in those areas
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: there was a sensitivity to these things. They did advertise
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: and have the Pride flag on the main show park,
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: on the logo and stuff at relevant times of the year.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: And then there was commentaries like, oh, in California, down
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: does the show park. Oh yeah, half the trainer, half
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: the men who are trainers are gay. These sorts of
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: comments would be the things that would pop up, not
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: in derogatory way, just it's a thing, and.
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: So at least they're not fucking the horses anyway. Some
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: good news. Have you seen Spider Man? How are there
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: theaters in Ukraine? Are people going to the movies? Is there?
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: You know?
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: The other day and watched the autisty.
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: Oh, I haven't seen it yet because I won't see
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: it unless it's on seventy millimeter And we have one
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: of those theaters here. But they're sold out till September
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: and they're selling the tickets for fifteen hundred bucks. Spider
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: Man brand New Day. It is the second box office
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: this year with an openly transactor, which is absolutely wonderful.
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: It's the role is Malachi Rope Michael m A I
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: k O L so I think that's Michael. Michael Rope
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: plays EJ, the son of a police detective in the
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: Spider Man sequel. And this young Michael Rokee is trans uh.
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: And it's the one of the biggest movies at the
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: box office right now, and it features a trans person
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: in a major role. Uh. And that is absolutely wonderful.
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: Congratulations to Michael uh and to the filmmakers for not
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: uh you know, woosing out. What's the other huge motion
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: picture right now with a major transactor?
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: I think it is honestly the honesty.
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: Elliott Page. I don't even remember him as a girl now,
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: Barely in maybe one or two inception.
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: Inception I think was his last his last role as
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: a girl. And when you saw him as a girl,
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: you realize he's a man. Elliott Page was always manly
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: to me. But that's good, Uh, I do. I don't
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: want to end on a bad story about the lesbians
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: who were beaten outside the casino and instead of helping them,
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: the security guards just filmed them, which is you know,
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: par for the course. I just I don't you know,
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: she's got brain damage from being knocked down it's.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, are we father James Martin's I
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: believe this is the one promoted by Stephen golebar has
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: his LGBT Ministry hasn't. They've announced a New York City pilgrimage.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: So this is a day ago in the Catholic Herald.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: It's a three day pilgrimage through New York City highlighting
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: sites connected with LGBTQ Catholics in the h av Aids epidemic.
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I have I have a real problem with
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: Christianity and gay I really do that. I I just again,
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: it's it's gay. Christian is an oxymoron to me. They
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: don't want you, they don't like you. They they rally
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: and vote against you. So why try to be accepted?
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: And the Catholic church men in dresses denouncing trans and
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: gay people. It's it's, you know, it's pretty ridiculous. I
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: did read this interesting thing. But we can go, we
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: we can leave on this. I read an article today,
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: an interview with Professor John Gilbert McCurdy about our founding
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: fathers and the Revolutionary War and gay people. And there
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: was a trial. There was a historic trial and scandal
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: during about a military soldier who allegedly buggered his housemaid,
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: his house his houseboy, his horse, stable boy or whatever.
• 57:59
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: And you know it went to trial and everything, and
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: no one would serve with him because they were I
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: guess afraid he was going to you know, I don't know,
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: tackle them or something. And you know his name was
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: Robert Newburgh. He was a chaplain in the British Army
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: from the early seventeen seventies until the late He was
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: born outside of Dublin. He was raised in Ireland. It
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: is never known if he really was gay or not,
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: but he did go on trial for it. All right, Scott,
• 58:29
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• 58:32
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• 58:33
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• 58:35
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• 58:41
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