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Suzanne Paul: 'People didn't want me to be motivated by money' · The SME Stream

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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Liam Dan, New Zealand Herald's Business editor at
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Speaker 1: Large and welcome to this episode of Money Talks. This
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Speaker 1: is a podcast about money, but we're not going to
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Speaker 1: tell you how to get rich, and we're not going
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Speaker 1: to try and pick the next interest rate move. In
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Speaker 1: this series, I'll be talking to interesting New Zealanders about
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Speaker 1: how money has shaped their lives and what they've learned
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Speaker 1: over the years. For today's podcast, I'm joined by businesswoman,
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Speaker 1: TV star and infomercial icon Suzanne Paul Cura. Suzanne, welcome
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Speaker 1: to Money Talks.
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Speaker 2: Thank you good to be here.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, it's great to have you here.
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Speaker 1: That intro is it's almost difficult to put together intro
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Speaker 1: for someone who's had such a varied career as you've had.
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Speaker 3: I guess business woman is a.
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Speaker 2: Big part of it, right I suppose so, yes, Well, right.
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Speaker 1: Now the focus is are TV Star. I guess of
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Speaker 1: those things. You're back on Celebrity Treasure Island for the
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Speaker 1: second time.
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Speaker 2: I understand, Yes, I did it twenty odd years ago.
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Speaker 3: Can well is it that long?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's amazing. So how was it the second time around?
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Speaker 1: I'm sure there's all sorts of things you can't say,
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Speaker 1: but how did you find the experience this time around
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Speaker 1: compared to I.
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Speaker 2: Would say it was better because I was expecting the
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Speaker 2: worst because it was pretty bad the first time. So yes,
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Speaker 2: it wasn't improved.
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Speaker 1: Right, and you probably can talk about the first time.
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Speaker 1: Was that just really rough condition?
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Speaker 2: It was we were literally just dropped off and it
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Speaker 2: was women versus men back then, and they literally said
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Speaker 2: to us, there you are, and the men are over
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Speaker 2: there where we couldn't see them, and so build a camp. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: and you know, you just got off. You're on the
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Speaker 2: island and it was raining and it was getting dark.
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Speaker 3: Wow. So it's a little bit more like one of
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Speaker 3: those survival shows. It was, so this is this is
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Speaker 3: the stuff around.
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Speaker 1: It's a bit more about the challenges and the yea,
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Speaker 1: all the games effectively if you play. Yeah yeah, well
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Speaker 1: well I know you can't say anything more about that really,
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Speaker 1: but people will be looking forward to see that. I
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Speaker 1: guess I want to go right back because it's what
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Speaker 1: we do in money talks and talk about your first
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Speaker 1: memories of money. You're certainly a New Zealand national treasure,
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Speaker 1: but you were born in Wolverhampton, which I looked up
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Speaker 1: because I thought it was further north actually than it was.
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Speaker 1: But it's sort of northern Birmingham, isn't it.
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Speaker 2: Yes, they call it the West Midlands. It's right in
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Speaker 2: the middle really, as you say, next to Birmingham Coventry.
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Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: And so what were your first memories of having your
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Speaker 1: own money do you recall you know, as a.
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Speaker 2: Child, I remember more not having any money. That's its
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Speaker 2: memory of not having it because it was a very
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Speaker 2: working class area and it was a particularly this part
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Speaker 2: of Wolverhampton that I grew up in was very very
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Speaker 2: low working class. So we didn't even have a bathroom.
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Speaker 2: We didn't have a shower, we didn't have a bath,
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Speaker 2: There was no inside toilet, no hot running water, so
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Speaker 2: it was very basic, just a cold tap and the
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Speaker 2: toilet was right down the bottom of the garden. So
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Speaker 2: you know, if you picture that, it's like Coronation Street,
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Speaker 2: but worse, worse.
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Speaker 1: I guess it is how most New Zealanders probably sort
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Speaker 1: of almost me, thinking that you were from further north,
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Speaker 1: we sort of relate to Coronation Streets.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think I didn't realize probably till I
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Speaker 2: was about nine or ten, that we didn't have any money,
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Speaker 2: because if you're only mixing with people the same as you,
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Speaker 2: you don't know, you know, how other people live. So,
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Speaker 2: you know, we didn't have cars, we didn't have telephones.
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Speaker 2: It was all very basic, you know. But I realized yeah, probably, yeah,
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Speaker 2: when I was about ten or eleven, then I started
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Speaker 2: to realize that some people did have a lot of
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Speaker 2: money and it did make a big difference to them.
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Speaker 2: And I think it's because when you're eleven in England
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Speaker 2: you go to what they call your secondary school, and
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Speaker 2: that was right out of the area where I lived.
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Speaker 2: Suddenly I was mixing with different kids at eleven, and
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Speaker 2: they were being dropped off at school in their dad's car,
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Speaker 2: and you know, I was catching two buses and yeah,
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Speaker 2: and even that first year wasn't so bad. I could
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Speaker 2: sort of lie my way out of things, you know,
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Speaker 2: girls that'd say can I have your phone number? And
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Speaker 2: I'd say, my dad doesn't like me using the phone,
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Speaker 2: you know, because it's for business. We never had a phone. Wow,
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Speaker 2: So I'd just lie. But it was really my second
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Speaker 2: year at that school that I realized on the first
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Speaker 2: day that I still had the same uniform on that
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Speaker 2: i'd worn the previous year, and they all started the
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Speaker 2: second year with a new uniform on. And I realized then,
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Speaker 2: in fact, I left school at fifteen with the same uniform.
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Speaker 2: I only ever had that one. Yes, and so I
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Speaker 2: realized I was different. But also things that I couldn't
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Speaker 2: participate in in school. I wasn't like the cooking. We
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Speaker 2: couldn't afford all the ingredients, so I used to have
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Speaker 2: to sit at the back of the class and watch
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Speaker 2: all the other girls cooking. The boys used to go
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Speaker 2: into woodwork in those days. Girls cooking and any sports
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Speaker 2: I wasn't allowed to take part in they'd taken. Now.
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Speaker 2: I just didn't have the right outfit. Yes, you haven't
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Speaker 2: got no. Yeah, Have we got a tennis skirt? No,
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Speaker 2: you can't sit down? Have you got hockey the black
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Speaker 2: hockey skirt? Nick? No, I haven't got that. Sit over there.
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Speaker 2: I never took part in anything.
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Speaker 3: So what did your parents do?
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Speaker 2: Then? My father raised me and my brother, and he
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Speaker 2: worked in a factory, so he was a shift worker,
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Speaker 2: so we didn't even see that much of him. We
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Speaker 2: were known as latchkey kids, so we had our own
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Speaker 2: door key around our neck on a bit of string,
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Speaker 2: and so we would come home from school. Even this
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Speaker 2: was from about seven. We would come home from school,
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Speaker 2: make a jam sandwich for tegaue, go out and play
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Speaker 2: till it got dark, then come in and make a fire.
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Speaker 2: I'm talking about a real file, like with Carl and Wood,
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Speaker 2: you know and all that. Probably you know you're pretty
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Speaker 2: resourceful yet, Yeah, so that's we were pretty much on
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Speaker 2: our own quite a lot. But yes, I suppose it
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Speaker 2: makes you very resilient.
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Speaker 3: Was there ever any pocket money or anything like that?
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Speaker 3: Money to spend on sweeting.
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Speaker 2: I used to earn. There was a pub, actually there
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Speaker 2: was three pubs on our street, one at either end
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Speaker 2: and one in the middle. But the one on the
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Speaker 2: one end of the street used to employ me on
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Speaker 2: a Sunday afternoon, and I'd go in at two o'clock,
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Speaker 2: which was only used to shut then, and I'd empty
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Speaker 2: the ashtrays, clear away the glasses, and sweep the floor
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Speaker 2: and I think I got fifty pence and i'd use
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Speaker 2: that money for a dance class that I went to.
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Speaker 2: And that was when I also noticed that I didn't
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Speaker 2: have the money the other girls had, because I did
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Speaker 2: the ballet class in my socks and i'd see the
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Speaker 2: girls in the lovely soft pink leather Bally shoes. And
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Speaker 2: then I did the tap glands dancing class just in
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Speaker 2: my school shoes. Wow, And I never had, you know,
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Speaker 2: a pair of tap shoes. So really from an early age,
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Speaker 2: I knew from about the age of eleven that if
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Speaker 2: you had money, that meant you know, you'd have a
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Speaker 2: better life and you could do what you wanted and
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Speaker 2: buy what you wanted.
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Speaker 3: And at that age, did you think I'm going to
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Speaker 3: try and achieve this?
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Speaker 2: Oh, I knew it straight away. I made up my mind,
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Speaker 2: made up my mind. There was so much I couldn't do,
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Speaker 2: and I felt like a second class citizen. I looked
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Speaker 2: an absolute state. I was scruffy all the time and
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Speaker 2: it didn't help. From about the age of eight, I
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Speaker 2: had to wear glasses all the time. They were like
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Speaker 2: the bottoms of milk bottles and National Health glasses and
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Speaker 2: you're only allowed to have one pair every year or something. Well,
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Speaker 2: I'd break them straight away, so they were always held together.
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Speaker 2: There was a sticking plaster, but a sticky tate that
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Speaker 2: were lopsided, and for a fourteen year old girl, it
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Speaker 2: was hard. And when I'd see the other girls in
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Speaker 2: the nice clothes and talking about going the disco and
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Speaker 2: all this sort of thing. And I made up my
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Speaker 2: mind really at an early age, right, I'm not having this.
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Speaker 2: I'm not having this life. I need to earn some money,
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Speaker 2: but I wasn't. School wasn't for me anyway because of
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Speaker 2: my problems with maths and discalcolia. So I got expelled
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Speaker 2: at fifteen. But that all stemmed from the problem I
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Speaker 2: had with numbers, figures maths. I don't know if you've
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Speaker 2: heard of discalculia. Yes, it's like dyslexia is with letters,
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Speaker 2: so discalculia's with numbers. But they didn't know anything about
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Speaker 2: that the day.
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Speaker 3: Nowadays everyone.
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Speaker 2: They just kept putting me in detention. I got the
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Speaker 2: ruler on the back of the hand several times. Homework
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Speaker 2: I couldn't do. I'd just come in and say I
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Speaker 2: hadn't done it, I didn't know how to do it.
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Speaker 2: And I was always told, you know, you're just not
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Speaker 2: trying hard enough, you're or you're stupid. And then they
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Speaker 2: put me in a remedial maths class with the young kids.
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Speaker 2: Didn't make no difference made. I could make head a
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Speaker 2: tale of it didn't matter how long I looked at
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Speaker 2: the numbers. How hard I studied didn't make any difference.
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Speaker 2: And one day in the maths class and the teacher
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Speaker 2: made me stand up and said, can you do you
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Speaker 2: know this? And it was just like oh, I was
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Speaker 2: just like no, stick it up your JACKSI sort of thing,
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Speaker 2: you know, just you know, and walked out the class
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Speaker 2: and I got expelled.
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Speaker 3: And that was it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, was that.
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Speaker 1: It's amazing that they just don't see that. So I'm
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Speaker 1: not even sure I'm going to pronounce it right. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: have a disorder I've got.
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Speaker 2: But discal coolia.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Was it something that you've obviously discovered later in
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Speaker 1: life where you've.
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Speaker 2: Had I discovered that I had it about ten years ago.
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Speaker 2: And funny enough, I was working with the company that
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Speaker 2: sell maths course is for people. I was selling them
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Speaker 2: and I was chatting to them, you know, and they
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Speaker 2: were all very clever people that'd invented this course to
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Speaker 2: help kids with maths. And I said, don't want if
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Speaker 2: it be any good for me, because I've never been
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Speaker 2: any good at it. So they showed me this. Yeah, no,
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Speaker 2: I have no clue. I'm not I have no idea.
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Speaker 2: And they said, you don't have a problem with mouth.
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Speaker 2: You have this calculia if you can't remember that, if
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Speaker 2: you can't work that out. And we talked about time.
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Speaker 2: Time is difficult for me to work out when I've
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Speaker 2: got to get somewhere. And when I was doing a
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Speaker 2: lot of flying, which was you know, when I was
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Speaker 2: here in my thirties or things that even that working
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Speaker 2: out when's the flight and when's the next flight and
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Speaker 2: when I get there. If it's three o'clock there, now,
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Speaker 2: what time will it be at seven o'clock? No, Oh,
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Speaker 2: I'm not in a panic. I don't know. I don't
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Speaker 2: know what time I'm going to land. I don't know
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Speaker 2: what time. I can't work it out.
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Speaker 1: I suppose they've got all these ways they can teach
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Speaker 1: coping strategies and ways.
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Speaker 2: Yes, so that's why I done for all my life,
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Speaker 2: is just put you know, mechanisms in place to cope
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Speaker 2: with it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fascinating and so okay, so you've walked out
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Speaker 1: of school.
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Speaker 3: Was it easy to get a job? Were you straight
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Speaker 3: into the workforce?
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Speaker 2: It was in those days. I actually got an office job.
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Speaker 2: No idea why I talked my way into that. But
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Speaker 2: I realized after a couple of months. You know, I
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Speaker 2: wasn't suited to it, and then I started shop work
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Speaker 2: because there really wasn't any choice. I didn't want to
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Speaker 2: go into a factory and so it really was shop work.
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Speaker 2: And when you're in that working class background, you're not
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Speaker 2: encouraged to leave, you know. I remember saying to somebody once,
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Speaker 2: I think I might take a secretarial like course and
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Speaker 2: go and work in London. And really it was like London, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: you're going to go You can't go to London. Well
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Speaker 2: you're going to do in London? Well, I just go
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Speaker 2: there on the train to get a job. Who's going
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Speaker 2: to give you a job in London? Oh? I have
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Speaker 2: a word with yourself. I think you're better than us.
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Speaker 2: You've got a bob on us. And I was like,
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Speaker 2: have you got the stay in Wolverhampton the rest of
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Speaker 2: my life? Have I? You know? And been nothing? Nobody
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Speaker 2: with it was you went encouraged. Nobody said why don't
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Speaker 2: you try and do this or that? So I started
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Speaker 2: selling things in various shops in Wolverhampton and by the
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Speaker 2: age of eighteen, I became a professional sales demonstrator.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because obviously sales is something that you've got an edgyes.
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Speaker 3: Some people can do it.
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Speaker 2: Some people I could just do it. I like talking
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Speaker 2: to people. I wasn't shy, you know. And if people
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Speaker 2: had say, you know, I worked in a men's way
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Speaker 2: at one term, and if a manager i'd have this
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Speaker 2: blue jacket, I'd say, why don't you have a green
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Speaker 2: one as well? You know, so you're coming back. It
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Speaker 2: was just natural to me. And then have a shirt
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Speaker 2: to go with it, you know what you need with shirt,
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Speaker 2: a tie, you know what. And so they'd go out,
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Speaker 2: you know, with hundreds of pounds worth of stuff. So
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Speaker 2: then I started working for a lot of large companies
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Speaker 2: demonstrating their products at like an ideal home show or
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Speaker 2: in a shopping mall, might be in Harold's or Debenham's
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Speaker 2: or some sort of store, and that was demonstrating products
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Speaker 2: and gadgets. But it was it wasn't an easy life,
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Speaker 2: especially for a woman. You know. There was a lot
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Speaker 2: of men on the circuit, not so many women because
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Speaker 2: you worked commission only. So for over twenty years in England,
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Speaker 2: I never had a basic wage. I never had any
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Speaker 2: holiday pay that didn't pay you any travel expenses, hotel expenses.
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Speaker 2: I would see a company and they'd say, there's the
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Speaker 2: Idelo exhibition on in Birmingham for three weeks. Do you
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Speaker 2: want to work at that? It's on? Yeah, I'll go,
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Speaker 2: where's the product?
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Speaker 3: Let me have a lot you had to sell.
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Speaker 2: I would just have to find my way there, find
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Speaker 2: a bed and breakfast place or a hostel, and then
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Speaker 2: sell to get some money. And sometimes it worked out
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Speaker 2: really well. Sometimes you know, you'd be in a great
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Speaker 2: show and there'd be loads of people and I'd earn
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Speaker 2: lots of commission. But other times I might be in
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Speaker 2: a department store and I report to the manager and
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Speaker 2: I'd have come to sell the washer matic hindawiper. He'd say, yeah,
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Speaker 2: the stock's here. I've got you a position down in
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Speaker 2: the basement next to the mops and buckets. Have we
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Speaker 2: stood there all day? Going alone? Anybody's there. I wouldn't
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Speaker 2: even make the buses their home. So it was a
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Speaker 2: strange way of life because I could earn a lot
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Speaker 2: of money and then none, and then a bit and turn.
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Speaker 2: So it was like.
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Speaker 3: This, but it must have been a pretty good training ground.
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Speaker 2: For it was, and it makes you resilient because for
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Speaker 2: all those years I never took a lunch how I
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Speaker 2: never took a tea break because you were scared to move,
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Speaker 2: because you think all the other girls would say, yeah,
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Speaker 2: you can for your lunch. No, because getting busy now,
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Speaker 2: I don't want to miss it. You know, I need
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Speaker 2: to sell some more of these. I won't pay God
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Speaker 2: pay the rent, you know, I've got to pay the
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Speaker 2: electricity and all this. And also it was quite a
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Speaker 2: lonely life because I was by myself all the time
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Speaker 2: and traveling. So I might have three months in bur
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Speaker 2: Mingham and two weeks in Blackpool and a month in
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Speaker 2: bournemouthon and I was just here, there and everywhere by myself.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, how did you end up in New Zealand?
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Speaker 3: What was that? What prompted you to? Sort of?
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Speaker 1: Because of London's a stretch as a young girl.
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Speaker 3: Then we're a long way.
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Speaker 2: From here, yes, but I didn't worry, may I just
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Speaker 2: went everywhere And it was funnily enough. At one of
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Speaker 2: the exhibitions I met an Australian lad and he was
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Speaker 2: telling me this was about nineteen eighty seven, and he
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Speaker 2: was telling me about the World Expo on in nineteen
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Speaker 2: eighty eight in Brisbane right here, and I thought maybe
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Speaker 2: I could work at that, you know, maybe they've got
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Speaker 2: shops there, you know, and I could work there, but
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Speaker 2: it wasn't as easy in those days. I was sending
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Speaker 2: letters off to the government, let us off to here,
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Speaker 2: there and everywhere. But in the end I did get
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Speaker 2: a job in the British pavilion at the World Xpo
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Speaker 2: and I had about nine months and then I traveled
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Speaker 2: the rest of Australia selling things. But then my money
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Speaker 2: ran out, my visa ran out, so I had to
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Speaker 2: go back to Wolverhampton and I saved up again, you know,
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Speaker 2: and I thought, I'll go back to Australia, you know,
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Speaker 2: see if I can make it there. And I had
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Speaker 2: as part of the ticket, I had a week stopover
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Speaker 2: in Auckland and I thought, well, this is nice. I
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Speaker 2: don't think i'll go on to think, I'll just stop here.
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Speaker 2: And I never used the rest of the ticket. But
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Speaker 2: I didn't have much money. So the first thing I
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Speaker 2: did was I went I got the newspaper. This time
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Speaker 2: I was here and there was the Easter show was
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Speaker 2: on at the Green Lane, so I got a bus
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Speaker 2: there and I walked all around every stand didn't matter
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Speaker 2: what it was saying, do you need any help? Do
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Speaker 2: you want me to work for you? I could sell
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Speaker 2: that for you. No, okay, next time, do you need
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Speaker 2: me to sell this? I can sell that. Until I
16:57
Speaker 2: came to a guy selling metal polish, George's name was,
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Speaker 2: and I said, do you need me to sell that
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Speaker 2: for you? You could? You know? He said, well, actually
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Speaker 2: I could do with going to the bank and get
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Speaker 2: something to eat. Could you just man the stand for
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Speaker 2: an hour? He said, you know, I said, I know,
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Speaker 2: a demonstration for metal polish. It's fine. So he just
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Speaker 2: went and left me there, and when he came back
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Speaker 2: in an hour's time, I'd sold more in that hour
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Speaker 2: than he'd sold the whole day before. Well yeah, so
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Speaker 2: he said, why don't we turn this around? Why don't
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Speaker 2: you work all day and I'll relieve you for you
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Speaker 2: lunch break. So I worked the ten days and got
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Speaker 2: some money.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's amazing.
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Speaker 1: And see, I think you told Kim Knight when you
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Speaker 1: were doing that that that I think it's The Viva
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Speaker 1: features something about arriving with pretty much eighteen dollars in
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Speaker 1: a phone number, is it you?
17:45
Speaker 2: Yes? That was the second time I came here because
17:47
Speaker 2: it didn't work out the first time, and I ended
17:49
Speaker 2: up having to go back. I was always running out
17:52
Speaker 2: of money or my visa would run out one or
17:54
Speaker 2: the other. So a year later I came back again
17:59
Speaker 2: and I arrived that time I only had eighteen dollars
18:02
Speaker 2: and I stayed in a youth hostel. But again I
18:05
Speaker 2: got the newspaper straight away. And this was like I think,
18:09
Speaker 2: I arrived like on a six six o'clock Friday morning,
18:12
Speaker 2: got the newspaper and it had come for an interview
18:17
Speaker 2: and to sell vacuum cleaners, Kirby vacuum cleaners. I did
18:21
Speaker 2: the interview, got the job. They trained me on the
18:23
Speaker 2: Saturday and the Sunday, and by the Monday I was
18:26
Speaker 2: going rounding the doors and selling Kirby vacuum cleaners for
18:30
Speaker 2: one thousand dollars a pop.
18:32
Speaker 3: I mean, it's quite quite brave to head off to
18:34
Speaker 3: the other side of the world with so much money.
18:36
Speaker 2: It is. I cried when the first time I arrived
18:39
Speaker 2: in Australia and you see everybody being met by somebody
18:42
Speaker 2: in the balloons and welcome signs, and that's just me.
18:45
Speaker 2: I burst into tears, and the same one I got
18:48
Speaker 2: to New Zealand both times because I was thinking to myself,
18:50
Speaker 2: what on earth possess me to come here. What was
18:52
Speaker 2: I thinking? I've got no money, no job, I don't
18:55
Speaker 2: know anybody here, no friends, no family, no nothing was
18:59
Speaker 2: absolutely clean stuf, absolutely nothing. So you just think. I'm
19:02
Speaker 2: always like saying himself, calm down, Calm down, what's the
19:05
Speaker 2: first thing you need to do? Find somewhere to stay cheap? Right,
19:08
Speaker 2: what's the second thing you need to do? Think, can't
19:10
Speaker 2: get a job? Okay, how can I do that? And
19:13
Speaker 2: then they those days we didn't have mobile phones, there
19:16
Speaker 2: was yeah, so it was either you know, so it
19:19
Speaker 2: was I just got the newspaper. So I was always like,
19:22
Speaker 2: have a word with yourself, love, calm down, what's the
19:24
Speaker 2: next step you can take?
19:26
Speaker 3: Do you think you're a risk taker?
19:27
Speaker 2: Or I didn't think I was. I'm looking back, I didn't. Yeah,
19:31
Speaker 2: looking back, I do think I was brave, but people
19:35
Speaker 2: only say to me now, you were brave because I
19:37
Speaker 2: was successful. I think if I'd have failed as I
19:40
Speaker 2: had done many times, people who have said it was
19:42
Speaker 2: a bit of a stupid thing to do, then, wasn't it?
19:44
Speaker 2: As my father said that twice when I'd arrived home
19:47
Speaker 2: from Australia, And what were you thinking? You know, and
19:51
Speaker 2: you didn't give up.
19:52
Speaker 3: You had a dream.
19:53
Speaker 2: Always I found that people in England they were always
19:57
Speaker 2: saying things like, what if you can't get a job,
19:59
Speaker 2: And I'd like, yeah, but what if I can?
20:01
Speaker 3: Yeah?
20:01
Speaker 2: What if you don't earn any money? But what if
20:03
Speaker 2: I do? You know. It was always like what if
20:05
Speaker 2: you can't find anywhere to live? But what if I
20:07
Speaker 2: do find somewhere to live and it's great. So I
20:10
Speaker 2: never let other people's opinions of anything, you know, change
20:14
Speaker 2: my mind or I think.
20:15
Speaker 3: And it went I mean, it obviously went. Well.
20:17
Speaker 1: Let's second time within a year you were on our
20:19
Speaker 1: TV screen. It's almost like an overnight sensation with those Yes.
20:24
Speaker 2: It made me laugh because the newspapers sexual glow. They
20:27
Speaker 2: said I was an overnight success, and I thought I
20:29
Speaker 2: was on take thirty five years, you know, to be that.
20:33
Speaker 2: But yes, I just happened to be this time at
20:35
Speaker 2: the right place, at the right time. I found the
20:38
Speaker 2: right man to work with and he was excellent with
20:41
Speaker 2: numbers and figures, so he was totally in charge of
20:45
Speaker 2: everything and the running of the company day to day.
20:49
Speaker 2: I could just concentrate on finding products, writing adverts for them,
20:53
Speaker 2: filming them, getting them edited, getting them on the telly.
20:58
Speaker 2: But at the same time I also had a team
20:59
Speaker 2: of girls in shopping malls right across New Zealand and
21:03
Speaker 2: Australia by then working for US. So all those demonstrations
21:08
Speaker 2: that I've done for you know, twenty odd five, I thought, yeah,
21:12
Speaker 2: that's that's what we can do. Teach the girls how
21:14
Speaker 2: to do it.
21:15
Speaker 1: You talked a bit about class earlier and working class
21:17
Speaker 1: and stuff in the UK. Did you find it easier
21:20
Speaker 1: in New Zealand that that occident wasn't sort of yes,
21:22
Speaker 1: gadget That's.
21:23
Speaker 2: Why I loved it straight away. I loved it because
21:26
Speaker 2: soon as I started talking, people obviously thought I had
21:29
Speaker 2: a strange accent, you know. But me, I thought, they
21:33
Speaker 2: don't know what it means. They don't know that it
21:36
Speaker 2: means uncommon, working class with no education. They don't know.
21:40
Speaker 2: As soon as I am my mouth in England they
21:42
Speaker 2: would know exactly the sort of background I'd had and upbringing.
21:46
Speaker 2: So as soon as I was here, I thought, I
21:47
Speaker 2: can be anyone I want here. I can just reinvent myself.
21:50
Speaker 2: People can say what do you and I say, oh,
21:53
Speaker 2: I'm a television presenter.
21:56
Speaker 1: So I became, you recall, I mean, you know, coming
21:59
Speaker 1: from a background with not much money, not much money
22:01
Speaker 1: when you arrived, you recall a moment when you sort
22:03
Speaker 1: of suddenly felt like you had a little bit of
22:05
Speaker 1: money and you were able to go, gosh, I think
22:08
Speaker 1: I'm actually financially.
22:09
Speaker 2: So can It was never when I had the big money.
22:12
Speaker 2: It was more when I started earning, you know, quite
22:15
Speaker 2: a bit of money regularly, and that I didn't have
22:18
Speaker 2: to worry about the bills. I'd always looked after myself
22:20
Speaker 2: since you know, I was a child, and all of
22:23
Speaker 2: a sudden I never had to worry about paying the rent,
22:26
Speaker 2: or the electricity or the food. I used to get
22:29
Speaker 2: a bit carried away in the supermarket because it was
22:32
Speaker 2: something I was never able to do before, and there
22:34
Speaker 2: was only mail of the moment, I just load up
22:36
Speaker 2: the trolley with all sorts. I couldn't possibly eat it all.
22:39
Speaker 1: One of the questions we asked is about Christopher Luxan,
22:42
Speaker 1: the Prome minister. He got asked about a supermarket shop
22:45
Speaker 1: on the trail and he said, oh, sixty dollars he
22:49
Speaker 1: spins or something. So are you still a big shopper
22:52
Speaker 1: or yes?
22:53
Speaker 2: So I just got used to. I just really enjoyed it,
22:56
Speaker 2: just being now to buy anything, and yeah, that's when
23:00
Speaker 2: I felt that I was rich. I thought I've made it.
23:02
Speaker 2: I don't have to worry about any bills.
23:05
Speaker 1: I mean, it was it was probably for that sort
23:07
Speaker 1: of broadcast television. The nineties and the two thousands were
23:10
Speaker 1: sort of a high point.
23:11
Speaker 3: Was it a lucrative.
23:12
Speaker 2: Supposed to be in It was? It was a good
23:15
Speaker 2: time to be because I had a lot of things
23:17
Speaker 2: going on. You know, I was on the TV selling things.
23:21
Speaker 2: I had demonstrators all over the country, so that was
23:23
Speaker 2: good income. But also at the time TV three TV
23:27
Speaker 2: and said we were making a lot of shows one
23:30
Speaker 2: after the other. You would just go in and they say,
23:32
Speaker 2: have you got any ideas, and I'd say, yeah, you know,
23:34
Speaker 2: we could do this, and then they say, oh, yeah,
23:36
Speaker 2: let's do that. Then it was bang, bang.
23:39
Speaker 1: Do you have any favorites that stand out? Because there
23:41
Speaker 1: was a lot and a short dinner.
23:43
Speaker 2: People have always talked to me about guess who's coming
23:45
Speaker 2: to dinner and why can't we have it on TV now?
23:49
Speaker 2: And it was one of the first reality shows. Yes,
23:52
Speaker 2: that's right, you know, But then I had lots of
23:56
Speaker 2: shows as I say, one after the other. I was
23:58
Speaker 2: always on TV. There was always work if you wanted it.
24:03
Speaker 2: Always I was never out of work.
24:05
Speaker 1: And as the way of selling things changed, do you
24:07
Speaker 1: think through the media. I mean it was a high
24:09
Speaker 1: point in the nineties, I guess for those infomercials, and
24:13
Speaker 1: I just wonder, is it still the way it's done
24:16
Speaker 1: or has it evolved.
24:19
Speaker 2: It's pretty much the same, pretty much the same. They
24:22
Speaker 2: say people aren't watching TV anymore, but you'll still find
24:26
Speaker 2: the infomercials on. They're still on in the middle of
24:28
Speaker 2: the night. They're still on in the morning. Unfortunately, what
24:31
Speaker 2: we've lost here is the Good Morning Show. TV and
24:35
Speaker 2: said had a show I went on for over twenty years.
24:38
Speaker 2: I was on every day for over twenty years selling something,
24:42
Speaker 2: and that was a TV and Zaid show. And then
24:44
Speaker 2: TV three had a show called the Cafe and you
24:46
Speaker 2: could go on that every day and sell things. So
24:48
Speaker 2: those have gone now.
24:50
Speaker 3: Yeah, and people actually enjoyed the process, and.
24:52
Speaker 2: Yesoid watching it. It was good fun and you had
24:56
Speaker 2: to entertain people with selling, you know, otherwise, yes, people
25:00
Speaker 2: would go off and go to the liew or go
25:02
Speaker 2: and make a cup of tea. So the adverts always
25:04
Speaker 2: had to be entertaining and amusing, you know, as well
25:07
Speaker 2: as you know, selling something.
25:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you've had ups and downs. It's a
25:12
Speaker 1: money show. So I was going to ask about you
25:14
Speaker 1: did declear bankruptcy once with the tourist experience.
25:17
Speaker 2: I didn't declare myself bank just just the it was
25:20
Speaker 2: some creditors.
25:23
Speaker 3: Was it something you know?
25:24
Speaker 1: I guess it's a learning experience, isn't it that you
25:26
Speaker 1: know it is?
25:28
Speaker 2: But it's also a discalculia thing which you never learned.
25:32
Speaker 2: So because I didn't know what I was doing with
25:37
Speaker 2: the money side of things, so I had to trust
25:39
Speaker 2: other people with that side of things. I never got
25:41
Speaker 2: involved in that. I knew it was a good idea,
25:46
Speaker 2: but I should never have been involved in.
25:48
Speaker 1: A Yeah, I mean the idea was was really good
25:53
Speaker 1: and it was the peak of that tourist.
25:55
Speaker 2: Zealand and so it was a great idea. But then
26:01
Speaker 2: I knew I could make the money back. But unfortunately
26:04
Speaker 2: the you know, the creditors. I went to the creditors,
26:08
Speaker 2: you know, it was one big company and said, if
26:11
Speaker 2: you could just hold on, I've just signed a deal
26:14
Speaker 2: with this company and I'm going to be selling all
26:16
Speaker 2: this stuff on TV and training the girls. So if
26:19
Speaker 2: you could just give me a couple of months, I
26:22
Speaker 2: could give you that money. No, yeah, no, that was it.
26:27
Speaker 2: So that was the end of that.
26:29
Speaker 3: I guess, you know, it is a learning experience.
26:31
Speaker 1: But you know, is there any advice you'd have for
26:33
Speaker 1: other people after going through that experience?
26:36
Speaker 3: For business people?
26:37
Speaker 2: Well, after I went through that experience, I wrote a
26:41
Speaker 2: book because I decided straight away, well I'll pick myself
26:44
Speaker 2: up and start again. That was all I could do.
26:46
Speaker 2: I'll just start again with nothing. And I had so
26:50
Speaker 2: many people emailing me, how are you going to do this?
26:53
Speaker 2: What are you going to do? How are you thinking
26:55
Speaker 2: like that? Because we've lost everything. My husband's bankrupt or,
26:59
Speaker 2: this closed down that, you know what I mean? And
27:01
Speaker 2: so I started writing the book. And I wrote a
27:04
Speaker 2: book which I launched in two thousand and nine, which
27:07
Speaker 2: was a best selling, number one best seller for Penguin
27:10
Speaker 2: called but Wait, There's more right, And in there I
27:13
Speaker 2: was advising people how they should think and what they
27:16
Speaker 2: should do and how they should behave if they want
27:19
Speaker 2: to get back on their feet. And I think a
27:21
Speaker 2: lot of people are just scared of failure. And I've
27:25
Speaker 2: never been scared of failure. I've failed more times, you know,
27:28
Speaker 2: than I've succeeded. But I've always thought, you know, success
27:33
Speaker 2: and failure aren't destinations. I always say to people, they're
27:36
Speaker 2: just part of the journey. You can fail and pick
27:38
Speaker 2: yourself up and have another go and then succeed. So
27:43
Speaker 2: to me, it's never bothered me how many times I've
27:46
Speaker 2: had to fail and picked myself back UPO.
27:48
Speaker 1: To business people in America, for example, it's far more
27:50
Speaker 1: normal for business people to.
27:51
Speaker 3: Go bankrupt and keep you know, you don't have. New
27:55
Speaker 3: Zealand's a bit more like the UK. We're a bit
27:57
Speaker 3: more conservative and cautious.
27:58
Speaker 2: Yes, but a lot of people people they do fail
28:01
Speaker 2: and think, oh, well that's that I tried to make
28:03
Speaker 2: something myself and I failed. But I'm like, well, you know,
28:07
Speaker 2: you're not a failure. The business failed or something you
28:09
Speaker 2: did failed. Is there something else you can do or
28:12
Speaker 2: what did you learn from it? Maybe you did learn
28:14
Speaker 2: from it, or maybe you learned that wasn't for you
28:16
Speaker 2: after all, and do something else.
28:18
Speaker 1: Yeah you still, I mean Hew's business now? Is then
28:22
Speaker 1: Lizzie still going strong?
28:23
Speaker 3: For example?
28:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't own thin Lizzie but Thin Lizzie
28:28
Speaker 2: was launched and they took me on board to help
28:32
Speaker 2: with the selling of it, with the promotions, because I'd
28:35
Speaker 2: already done it all before. My makeup was called Natural
28:37
Speaker 2: Glow that I launched in the nineties and so it's
28:40
Speaker 2: still around. No, so that's all gone, but Thin Lizzie
28:44
Speaker 2: is still around. So I helped them with the marketing,
28:47
Speaker 2: and again I got a team of girls here in Australia.
28:50
Speaker 2: So I spent a lot of time, you know, twenty
28:55
Speaker 2: I don't know, from about twenty ten right through for
29:00
Speaker 2: about twelve years, going backwards and forwards to Australia, either
29:04
Speaker 2: selling on TV over there or with my team of
29:09
Speaker 2: girls in exhibitions. So even still here, I could if
29:13
Speaker 2: I wanted to demonstrate and sell it exhibitions and in
29:17
Speaker 2: shopping malls, but I don't want to.
29:18
Speaker 1: That's right, you don't need to be doing so. I mean,
29:21
Speaker 1: you can pick and choose a bit more what you
29:22
Speaker 1: want to be doing.
29:24
Speaker 2: So I took that right up until COVID, when not
29:28
Speaker 2: only was I allowed to travel, they stopped all the
29:31
Speaker 2: exhibitions and stopped all demonstrators in stores. So that was
29:35
Speaker 2: the end of that. But you didn't need.
29:37
Speaker 1: Age stop you jumping on slipperty trees r Island. No
29:42
Speaker 1: sort of relivered about that.
29:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm always of the opinion I've always say yes
29:47
Speaker 2: to everything and then worry about how I'm going to
29:50
Speaker 2: do it later. Yeah, And I always think, you know,
29:53
Speaker 2: these opportunities might not always come along, and so people
29:57
Speaker 2: say John to go on that. I'm usually like, oh, yeah,
29:59
Speaker 2: that's a great idea. I'll do that. And I knew
30:02
Speaker 2: because I always I always make sure I have fun
30:05
Speaker 2: whatever I'm doing. So I just thought this is going
30:08
Speaker 2: to be great. I'll probably meet some great people, It's
30:10
Speaker 2: going to be a lot of fun, might raise some
30:13
Speaker 2: money for my charity SPCA. Plus it gets me back
30:16
Speaker 2: on the telly, and then people might see you and think, oh, yes,
30:20
Speaker 2: who's on Paul? I remember she's good fun. Why don't
30:23
Speaker 2: we put her in this or give her a job
30:25
Speaker 2: doing that?
30:26
Speaker 3: So why not?
30:26
Speaker 2: Yeah?
30:34
Speaker 1: We have a few quick fire questions we throw out,
30:36
Speaker 1: give some money talks. The first one I guess is,
30:40
Speaker 1: and you touched on your childhood, but what's the poorest
30:43
Speaker 1: you've ever been?
30:44
Speaker 2: Belt? I suppose, Yeah, I think the poorest I felt
30:47
Speaker 2: I was living by myself once in Blackpool. I was
30:50
Speaker 2: probably about twenty three and my job would finish suddenly,
30:57
Speaker 2: and I had no money for the I didn't have
31:00
Speaker 2: fifty pence to put into the electric meter.
31:03
Speaker 3: Wow.
31:03
Speaker 2: And it was Christmas and I had no money, and
31:06
Speaker 2: I was supposed to go to a friend's Christmas Day
31:09
Speaker 2: for lunch. But when I opened the door, the snow
31:12
Speaker 2: was right over my knees. So I was just sitting
31:15
Speaker 2: in the cold, in the dark, and I had a
31:18
Speaker 2: tint of process peace. Oh, wow, Christmas, it's tough dinner.
31:22
Speaker 2: It was poor.
31:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it's really poor, because some people think they're poor.
31:27
Speaker 1: Flip side the other end of the equation. What would
31:30
Speaker 1: be the most indulgent purchase you've ever made for yourself.
31:34
Speaker 2: I bought a boat once for one point two million.
31:37
Speaker 2: That was pretty good. And I was always buying Mercedes
31:40
Speaker 2: and I went on the cruise on the q E two,
31:44
Speaker 2: so I went around the world on the Orient Express.
31:46
Speaker 2: So I was always I liked doing those sorts of
31:48
Speaker 2: things experiences.
31:50
Speaker 3: Yeah, living living life. Is there something?
31:52
Speaker 1: Is there a dream purchase you'd still like to make
31:54
Speaker 1: one day that you haven't haven't done?
31:56
Speaker 2: Or no, I don't think so.
31:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, that's pretty good. That's a pretty good sign, really,
32:01
Speaker 1: isn't it that?
32:02
Speaker 2: Yeah? You do?
32:04
Speaker 3: You still buy lotto tickets?
32:06
Speaker 2: I do, only just recently, only because my husband keeps
32:10
Speaker 2: nagging me too, I want so I do.
32:12
Speaker 1: I often ask because I sometimes ask people, you know,
32:15
Speaker 1: when they imagine winning lotto, how much do you imagine winning?
32:18
Speaker 3: You know, the big number or just enough to sort.
32:21
Speaker 2: Of know a lot. I've always thought big, you see.
32:24
Speaker 2: And I think even if I had some money, even
32:27
Speaker 2: never had a lot of money, now, I'd probably still
32:29
Speaker 2: buy a lotto because you can never have too much money.
32:32
Speaker 3: Can you fair enough?
32:35
Speaker 1: Sort of a question? You know, it's come through and
32:37
Speaker 1: what you've said, But it is making money? Is making
32:40
Speaker 1: money being important to you as a driver of your
32:43
Speaker 1: success or is it more of a byproduct product of success?
32:46
Speaker 2: No, it's been a driving force for me. And I
32:49
Speaker 2: know earlier on a lot of people used to say
32:51
Speaker 2: to me, don't let money, you know, be your driving force, Like,
32:55
Speaker 2: well you want to say that if you grew up
32:56
Speaker 2: in you know, walk Pumpton with nothing. It is my
33:00
Speaker 2: living force and it always has been and it's it's
33:03
Speaker 2: worked me in good stead.
33:04
Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean, Yeah, and it's a
33:06
Speaker 3: powerful motivator. And then there are the other things.
33:09
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I do it for the money.
33:10
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's interesting in New Zealand certainly, and
33:13
Speaker 3: possibly England. A lot about heritage is British here.
33:17
Speaker 1: You know, there's that cultural sort of shyness about talking
33:20
Speaker 1: about money or even acknowledging that you have money.
33:22
Speaker 3: I mean, have you sort of.
33:24
Speaker 2: Yes, I know, And people always wanted me to say
33:26
Speaker 2: something else. I do motivational speaking, and they'll always be like, yes,
33:30
Speaker 2: but what motivates you? And I'm like, money, having money,
33:35
Speaker 2: paying the bills, buying nice stuff that, yeah, but what
33:39
Speaker 2: really motivates you? I'm like, oh, for goodness sake, it's
33:41
Speaker 2: like it was a swear word. People didn't want me
33:43
Speaker 2: to be motivated by money. I don't know why.
33:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, finishing up just on it's a sort of a
33:48
Speaker 1: bigger question. But when you look at the world and
33:52
Speaker 1: you look at the poverty that's still out there, and
33:55
Speaker 1: the idea of helping people get ahead and all that
33:57
Speaker 1: sort of stuff addressing the inequality, is there something that
34:01
Speaker 1: stands out to you as a policy or a thing
34:03
Speaker 1: we should do if we could make you Prime Minister
34:06
Speaker 1: for the day and you put something in place, what
34:10
Speaker 1: do you think would help, would really help people who
34:13
Speaker 1: are stuck in a poverty trap to get out.
34:17
Speaker 2: I know it's going to be easy to say money,
34:19
Speaker 2: isn't it. But I know when I was growing up,
34:25
Speaker 2: goodness may we couldn have survived without school dinners, So
34:28
Speaker 2: thank goodness for those. But it is the children. It
34:33
Speaker 2: is for me, the children. I think now I see
34:35
Speaker 2: the adverts on TV and that makes me cry. That
34:39
Speaker 2: if I see that they're saying children have to go
34:41
Speaker 2: to school, you know, and they haven't got the shoes,
34:44
Speaker 2: and they haven't got hungry to eat, and they're going
34:47
Speaker 2: hungry and they're cold at night. That to me, I
34:50
Speaker 2: think that can't be right, do you know what I mean?
34:53
Speaker 2: And I can't understand the people that do have money
34:56
Speaker 2: and don't want to help out, because that's one of
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Speaker 2: the reasons why I ended up without any money is
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Speaker 2: because I gave a lot of it away. It was
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Speaker 2: just what I thought was the right thing to do.
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Speaker 2: I think, you know, there are people worse off than me.
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Speaker 2: I'll give it to them.
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Speaker 1: Give It's one of the joys of having some money
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Speaker 1: is that you can be involved in these things.
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Speaker 2: Oh, yes, it was wonderful. It's wonderful.
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Speaker 3: You mentioned the SPCA. It's still involved and securities like.
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Speaker 2: That, Yes, and any of those. Again, I like doing
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Speaker 2: things for the animals because I'm all about this adopt,
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Speaker 2: don't shop. I've adopted a lot of you know, rescue
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Speaker 2: animals over the years, and that's brought me a lot
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Speaker 2: of joy.
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Speaker 3: Sure, look, that's great.
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Speaker 1: Is then finally just just I know we're going to
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Speaker 1: see you on Celebrity Trees Island, but where else can
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Speaker 1: people see more of you at the moment?
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Speaker 3: And what's happening with your products and what's next?
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Speaker 2: Well, I've just discovered TikTok, Yes, and I think that's hilarious.
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Speaker 2: So I'm all over it with.
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Speaker 1: Tick funny because you were almost you were a viral
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Speaker 1: sensation with that's right.
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Speaker 2: All the young people that seen me on TikTok or
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Speaker 2: Instagram or face Book, they say to me, you're the og. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 2: so Zamboy, you're the OG. So apparently I'm the original
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Speaker 2: influencer and now here I am again and I'm selling
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Speaker 2: things for people. But now it's on social media.
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Speaker 3: Well there we go. They can look you up on TikTok.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, great and yes, and just a reminder that people
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Speaker 1: can watch Slibrity Treasure Island TVNZ two from Monday.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for being here, Sayzabo you.
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