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The Awkward Goodbye · Math Therapy

• 0:00
  David Kochberg: Hello, Math Therapy listeners! This is David, Vanessa's producer, and before you skip this episode, because I know you are not subscribed to it to listen to me, I could not resist putting together a short bonus episode to share with you.
• 0:12
  David Kochberg: So, Season 5 was a huge success, and I know everyone's back to school, so if you missed any of the previous seasons, or you need a little inspiration or motivation right now, I definitely recommend revisiting some past episodes.
• 0:25
  David Kochberg: Now, I don't have to tell you that Vanessa is a phenomenal interviewer.
• 0:29
  David Kochberg: She's got such a natural talent for putting guests at ease and for diving right into complex topics.
• 0:36
  David Kochberg: However, there was one challenge that kept coming up this season.
• 0:40
  David Kochberg: Vanessa forgot how to say goodbye.
• 0:44
  David Kochberg: This had never been an issue in the early seasons of the podcast, but I started to notice it creep up a little in season four.
• 0:51
  David Kochberg: And last season, it was totally out of control, as you will soon hear.
• 0:55
  David Kochberg: So, very quickly, all of our interviews are recorded remotely, and they'll start with Vanessa and the guest chatting a little bit.
• 1:01
  David Kochberg: That way I can test out the audio on both ends, and they can get relaxed and comfortable with each other before we begin recording.
• 1:07
  David Kochberg: Then, in theory, at the end of the conversation, once Vanessa has asked her famous final two questions and starts to wrap up, she'll say something like,"Oh my God, thank you so much for coming on my podcast".
• 1:18
  David Kochberg: That's my Vanessa impression.
• 1:20
  David Kochberg: And then the guest will be like,"thanks for having me, that was so much fun".
• 1:23
  David Kochberg: And then Vanessa would say bye, the guest says bye, and then that would be the end of the interview, but they would both know that they'd be staying on after the call to debrief.
• 1:32
  David Kochberg: They're just saying goodbye for the podcast, they're not going to say goodbye and hang up right away.
• 1:36
  David Kochberg: So that all seems very normal, right?
• 1:39
  David Kochberg: Well, she just couldn't do it.
• 1:41
  David Kochberg: Guest after guest, it actually got more and more awkward, and I recently listened back to some of them and I thought they were hilarious, so I just had to share them with you because I think you may too.
• 1:51
  David Kochberg: So without further ado, I give you what I consider to be my personal crowning achievement in my work on Math Therapy, a brief bonus episode I like to call"The Awkward Goodbye".
• 2:05
  Vanessa Vakharia: Okay.
• 2:06
  Vanessa Vakharia: Tell people where to find you and like what things to look you up at.
• 2:08
  Robert Kaplinsky: Yeah.
• 2:09
  Robert Kaplinsky: So my website is robertkaplinsky.com, openmiddle.com Openmiddle on social media as well.
• 2:14
  Robert Kaplinsky: If you're interested, hit me up.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: Okay, now we have to say goodbye.
• 2:22
  Vanessa Vakharia: Okay.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: Bye Bye
• 2:24
  Robert Kaplinsky: Bye Vanessa.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: Bye You have to say bye back.
• 2:28
  Robert Kaplinsky: Buh-bye
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  Vanessa Vakharia: Oh my God.
• 2:32
  Vanessa Vakharia: I'm dead, if you could see David's face right now.
• 2:37
  Vanessa Vakharia: I dunno!
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  David Kochberg: Just, just say goodbye as if you're saying goodbye to someone.
• 2:42
  Vanessa Vakharia: You know how you're always like, why do you hang up so fast on the phone?
• 2:46
  David Kochberg: Yeah,
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  Vanessa Vakharia: I think that's why I think I have a problem with doing it.
• 2:50
  David Kochberg: Just pre, you're pretending you're, because obviously you're not gonna hang up, but just like,
• 2:54
  Vanessa Vakharia: but it's weird, it's inauthentic.
• 2:56
  David Kochberg: Just role play.
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  David Kochberg: Imagine you were just saying goodbye to him.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: Okay, Robert.
• 2:59
  Vanessa Vakharia: Great talk.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: All right, I'll talk to you later.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: Bye.
• 3:01
  David Kochberg: That's not what what you would do!
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  Vanessa Vakharia: What do you mean that's not what I would do?
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  Vanessa Vakharia: What would I do?
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  David Kochberg: You did it so quickly!
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  Vanessa Vakharia: But I do do it quickly.
• 3:08
  Vanessa Vakharia: You're always getting mad at me cause you're like, why'd you hang up so fast?
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  Vanessa Vakharia: Okay, we're done by the way.
• 3:15
  Vanessa Vakharia: What a treat.
• 3:16
  Vanessa Vakharia: Oh my God.
• 3:17
  Vanessa Vakharia: I'm so glad I was eating a sandwich on the floor of that hallway that one day.
• 3:21
  Vanessa Vakharia: This has been amazing.
• 3:22
  Vanessa Vakharia: Um, Bye.
• 3:29
  David Kochberg: What's wrong with you?
• 3:32
  Liesl McConchie: Okay.
• 3:33
  Liesl McConchie: That was pretty bad, Vanessa.
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  Liesl McConchie: I'm sorry.
• 3:35
  Liesl McConchie: I'm with David on this one.
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  Liesl McConchie: I'm sorry.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: I feel like I, I don't know.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: I don't.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: It's so
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  Liesl McConchie: Try that again.
• 3:40
  Liesl McConchie: Try that again.
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  David Kochberg: Just be like, you say like, oh my God, this has been so amazing.
• 3:44
  David Kochberg: Thank you so much for coming on the podcast.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: But I don't say the word"bye"?
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  David Kochberg: You don't have to.
• 3:48
  Vanessa Vakharia: Fine.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: Liesl, this has been absolutely so amazing.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: I'm truly honored.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: Thank you so much for coming on my podcast.
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  Liesl McConchie: Thank you.
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  Liesl McConchie: It's been such a pleasure.
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  David Kochberg: That was a great improvement.
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  David Kochberg: And then if you wanted to take it a step further, then you could simply say bye.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: But think about it.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: Watch this.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: Liesl, thank you so much.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: It's been amazing.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: It's been an honor.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: Thank you so much for coming on my podcast.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: Bye.
• 4:13
  Liesl McConchie: Oh
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  David Kochberg: No, after she says thank you.
• 4:14
  Vanessa Vakharia: Oh, after she says thank you.
• 4:15
  Liesl McConchie: Yeah.
• 4:16
  Liesl McConchie: I got, yeah.
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  Liesl McConchie: Let me, let, let me,
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  Vanessa Vakharia: Okay.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: Right.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: Liesl, it has been so amazing.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: It has been such an honor.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: I'm such a huge fan.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: Thank you so much for coming on my podcast.
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  Liesl McConchie: It's been an absolute pleasure.
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  Liesl McConchie: Thank you so much for having me.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: Bye.
• 4:29
  Vanessa Vakharia: I don't like it.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: I don't like it.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: It's weird! It's weird.
• 4:34
  Liesl McConchie: David, edit it.
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  Liesl McConchie: Make it sound right.
• 4:36
  Crystal Watson: you can find me on Instagram crystalmwatson You can find me at crystalmwatson.com Um, or you can find me out and about in Cincinnati.
• 4:45
  Crystal Watson: So if you see me on the streets, holler I'll, I'll say What's up.
• 4:49
  Crystal Watson: I'm pretty, I'm, I'm a pretty cool person.
• 4:51
  Vanessa Vakharia: You're so cool.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: Okay.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: has been the fucking best.
• 4:55
  Vanessa Vakharia: You are the best.
• 4:56
  Vanessa Vakharia: Loved every single minute of this, and I hope to see you in the streets of Cincinnati or Wink, wink, wink, wink, Canada, maybe sometime soon?
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  Crystal Watson: I'm on my way.
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  Crystal Watson: I'm on my way.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: That's the end.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: You don't need to say goodbye because the music will start playing.
• 5:16
  Vanessa Vakharia: Oh my God, David is hanging his head in his hands right now.
• 5:19
  Crystal Watson: Just say goodbye.
• 5:22
  David Kochberg: Thanks for coming on the podcast.
• 5:23
  Vanessa Vakharia: Thank you so much for coming on my pod
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  David Kochberg: Wait until I finish talking and then say it.
• 5:27
  Vanessa Vakharia: Oh, Crystal, thank you so much for coming on the pod.
• 5:31
  Crystal Watson: You're welcome.
• 5:32
  Crystal Watson: Goodbye, adios, auf wiedersehen, all of the things.
• 5:35
  Vanessa Vakharia: Bye.
• 5:37
  Vanessa Vakharia: She did it for me.
• 5:38
  Vanessa Vakharia: She did it for me.
• 5:39
  Vanessa Vakharia: That helped.
• 5:40
  David Kochberg: I know.
• 5:40
  David Kochberg: That's the thing you have to trust the guest to help you with the goodbye.
• 5:44
  Vanessa Vakharia: Great, and stay tuned.
• 5:45
  Vanessa Vakharia: Maybe we'll do episode two where I live.
• 5:47
  Vanessa Vakharia: Read Dan Meyers's birth chart
• 5:50
  Dan Meyer: Bonus.
• 5:50
  Dan Meyer: Bonus for, yeah, the subscribers bonus for the uh, Patreon
• 5:55
  Vanessa Vakharia: Okay, this has been amazing.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: This is the part where I say goodbye.
• 5:59
  Dan Meyer: Thank you.
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  Dan Meyer: So long.
• 6:00
  Vanessa Vakharia: Goodbye.
• 6:02
  Vanessa Vakharia: Don't actually go though.
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  Dan Meyer: Cut.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: Did I, look, I did it! I said, bye.
• 6:07
  David Kochberg: You did, but you still were kind of awkward about it, but you, but it was good.
• 6:09
  David Kochberg: It was better.
• 6:10
  Vanessa Vakharia: This has been so fun.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: I can't believe we did it.
• 6:12
  Vanessa Vakharia: I can't believe we met.
• 6:13
  Vanessa Vakharia: I can't believe we're both Canadian.
• 6:15
  Vanessa Vakharia: I can't believe you used to be a professional paddler and honestly, you're changing the world.
• 6:22
  Vanessa Vakharia: This is so cool, and I think you're great.
• 6:29
  Peter Liljedahl: Thanks, Vanessa.
• 6:30
  Peter Liljedahl: I think you're great too, and I'm going to correct this great egregious oversight of not following you on Twitter.
• 6:37
  Vanessa Vakharia: Oh my God.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: This is actually a huge deal.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: Are we still recording?
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  Vanessa Vakharia: Yes.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: Okay.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: This is a big moment.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: This is a big moment for me.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: Thank you so much.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: Okay.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: There.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: I don't even have to say bye.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: Right.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: We can just end.
• 6:49
  Peter Liljedahl: Yeah, we can just end.
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  David Kochberg: No you should still say goodbye.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: David's gonna kill me.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: Davids gonna kill
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  David Kochberg: You should still end the, the interview session.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: And on that note, Peter Liljedahl has followed me on Twitter, everyone.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: I don't know, I, have you?
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  Vanessa Vakharia: Have you?
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  Vanessa Vakharia: I'm gonna check.
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  Peter Liljedahl: I will, I, I'll do it right now.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: Bye.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: Don't hang up.
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  Peter Liljedahl: I won't hang up.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: I thought you said I didn't have to officially say bye cause I was so weird at it.
• 7:15
  Vanessa Vakharia: Um, um, um, um, okay.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: Let's start, I guess.
• 7:23
  Deborah Peart: Sure.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: Trying to think now if I wanna start like this, I am gonna start.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: We're just gonna start.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: Hello.
• 7:27
  Deborah Peart: Ok.
• 7:28
  Deborah Peart: Hi!
• 7:28
  Vanessa Vakharia: Hi.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: Oh, and wait, I have to tell you this because I have huge insecurities about it.
• 7:33
  Vanessa Vakharia: At the end, I'm gonna say bye, but don't actually hang up and like, David's already eyerolling, I just am very awkward about it.
• 7:39
  Vanessa Vakharia: I'm not gonna be awkward.
• 7:40
  Vanessa Vakharia: It's gonna be fine, but like, don't actually hang up at the end.
• 7:43
  Deborah Peart: Yes, because then we talk afterwards and I, we can say bye, but then stay.
• 7:50
  Vanessa Vakharia: That's what I mean.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: Yeah.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: And I just have a lot of goodbye anxiety.
• 7:53
  Vanessa Vakharia: Like, like people have math anxiety.
• 7:54
  Vanessa Vakharia: I have good, I have completion anxiety.
• 7:56
  Vanessa Vakharia: That sounds like something else.
• 7:58
  David Kochberg: You can practice a goodbye right now.
• 7:59
  Vanessa Vakharia: I'm not practicing a goodbye.
• 8:01
  Deborah Peart: Well, I typically expect that we're going stay on to wrap up.
• 8:07
  Deborah Peart: I promise I won't hang up!
• 8:08
  Vanessa Vakharia: Okay.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: Great, great, great, great, great, great.
• 8:10
  Vanessa Vakharia: Okay.
• 8:11
  Vanessa Vakharia: Deborah we are here.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: We have made it.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: I, first of all, welcome to the podcast.
• 8:17
  Deborah Peart: Thank you.
• 8:18
  Deborah Peart: Glad to be here.
• 8:20
  Vanessa Vakharia: Okay, great.
• 8:20
  Vanessa Vakharia: Yeah, I have hello and goodbye anxiety.
• 8:23
  Vanessa Vakharia: Okay, well next time you see me, I will be rocking the rhinestones.
• 8:26
  Vanessa Vakharia: Thank you so much.
• 8:27
  Vanessa Vakharia: This was the best.
• 8:30
  Vanessa Vakharia: Thanks for being on the pod.
• 8:32
  Deborah Peart: Thanks for having me.
• 8:34
  Deborah Peart: This was fun.
• 8:37
  Vanessa Vakharia: David's face right now if you could see David he's just like
• 8:40
  David Kochberg: You just can't do it.
• 8:43
  Vanessa Vakharia: Uh, that was not bad.
• 8:44
  David Kochberg: It was not good!
• 8:49
  Vanessa Vakharia: Oh my god.
• 8:50
  David Kochberg: You just make it awkward.
• 8:51
  Vanessa Vakharia: I don't know man, I can't Okay Thank you so much.
• 8:55
  Vanessa Vakharia: This has honestly been a highlight of my entire life.
• 8:57
  Vanessa Vakharia: I'm not even saying that with hyperbole
• 9:00
  Jo Boaler: Thank you very much for having me.
• 9:03
  David Kochberg: Great.
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  David Kochberg: That's great.
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  David Kochberg: You can stop.
• 9:05
  Vanessa Vakharia: Yes, we did it.
• 9:06
  Vanessa Vakharia: Okay.
• 9:06
  Vanessa Vakharia: I've had a rough, I'm sorry.
• 9:08
  Vanessa Vakharia: I don't know how to say goodbye, but I'm getting better at it.
• 9:11
  Vanessa Vakharia: Good.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: Just, I just, now I'm picturing when she says it that the music will come up and that's making it feel more natural to me.
• 9:17
  David Kochberg: Okay.
• 9:18
  David Kochberg: All right, that's it.
• 9:19
  David Kochberg: I hope that you found that as entertaining as I still do, and I also hope that you will forgive my increasing frustration with Vanessa over the course of those recordings.
• 9:29
  David Kochberg: The wheels are in motion over here for the next season of Math Therapy, and in the meantime, as always, you can reach Vanessa on social media at TheMathGuru.
• 9:37
  David Kochberg: Feel free to offer any support or advice in dealing with her sudden onset goodbye anxiety.
• 9:43
  David Kochberg: You can also hit her up if there are any specific topics that you want her to explore next season.
• 9:48
  David Kochberg: As for me, all that's left to say is, Goodbye.
• 9:53
  David Kochberg: Now that wasn't so hard, was it?