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Ep. 813: Stolen Elk and the Best Fishing Lures of All Time | MeatEater Radio (Not) Live! · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Smell us now, lady, Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia mea podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live. It's one thirty pm
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  Speaker 1: Mountain time. That's two thirty for our friends in Santa Claus, Indiana,
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  Speaker 1: on Wednesday, December seventeenth, and we're live from Meet Eater
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  Speaker 1: HQ and Bozeman. We are currently at home with friends
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  Speaker 1: and family because it is Christmas Day. I'm your host, Spencer,
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  Speaker 1: joined today by Corey and Max. On today's show, we'll
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  Speaker 1: interview David Fabian about having his elk skull stolen by
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  Speaker 1: a rancher while hunting public land in Wyoming. Then we'll
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  Speaker 1: have some top three lists, followed by an interview with
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  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyan about the best books for whitetail hunters and five. Finally,
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  Speaker 1: we'll answer some listener submitted questions. But first, Cory, my
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  Speaker 1: head hurts just looking at you because you have a
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  Speaker 1: black eye and a big bandage on your face. That's
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  Speaker 1: not normal. You had to cancel coming into Trivia earlier
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  Speaker 1: this week because you said it you got a concussion,
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  Speaker 1: and I said, oh no, did it happen while you
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  Speaker 1: were skiing? And you said no, no, Yeah, it's much
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  Speaker 1: worse than that long story. Tell folks would happen better
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  Speaker 1: or worse.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, pretty embarrassing, but happy to share it with the world.
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  Speaker 2: Got my dog's frisbee stuck into a tree.
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  Speaker 1: How high up?
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  Speaker 2: In a not high maybe ten feet you know, I
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  Speaker 2: could almost reach it with a stick. That was plan A.
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  Speaker 2: Plan B, naturally, was to throw a rock into the
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  Speaker 2: tree right, try and knock it down. Picked up a
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, nine to ten pound rock off the ground.
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  Speaker 1: How big show me with your hand, like like softball size. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: bigger than a softball.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, how much to await pounds? You know, just easy
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  Speaker 2: enough to get some good velocity throwing it into the
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  Speaker 2: tree to knock the frisbee down. I hit the frisbee,
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  Speaker 2: but it was stuck in a weird little nest, bounced
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  Speaker 2: off the tree, bounced off a limb, and then hit
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  Speaker 2: me in the face. Oh gosh, it was headed right
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  Speaker 2: for like between my eyes, and I turned my head
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  Speaker 2: last second. It got me just under my eye obviously.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty brutal.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing happened at first, but it about twenty minutes later
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  Speaker 2: I passed out. So my concussion. It's been a couple
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  Speaker 2: of days staying at home relaxing. Yeah, I couldn't partake
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  Speaker 2: in trivia, which lucky for the other contestants obviously. So yeah, no,
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  Speaker 2: feeling a lot better though, thanks for asking.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we're making him host radio despite him saying
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  Speaker 1: he's still a little foggy.
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  Speaker 3: A little foggy.
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  Speaker 1: If I pass out, this will be one hell of
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  Speaker 1: an episs good content. Yeah, does it stilvers good?
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  Speaker 2: It's tight like everything in my right shields. It's just healing,
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  Speaker 2: you know, So no, it doesn't hurt anymore. Yeah, just my.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, good on you for telling the truth. I
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  Speaker 1: lied about that. I'd been like, yeah, I was skiing
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  Speaker 1: a quadruple black diamonds, you know.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want that karma to hit me even harder
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  Speaker 2: than that rock, did you know?
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  Speaker 1: So well it got you good, it did, stupid rock.
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  Speaker 2: But I still need to go back to that tree,
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  Speaker 2: get the frisbee, and the frisbee still out there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and then I'll bring home the rock too, and I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, put it on my mantle.
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  Speaker 1: We have garbs of like eighty miles per hour today.
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  Speaker 1: That frisbee might be long gone.
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  Speaker 2: It was up there, man. Let me tell you. The
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  Speaker 2: rock didn't knock it down and it was a hell
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  Speaker 2: of a throw too.
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  Speaker 1: And now now you get to answer this question all
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  Speaker 1: of Christmas hanging out with the family.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I can't wait.
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  Speaker 1: So you've got a version of the story that's well
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  Speaker 1: told at this point. Yep.
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  Speaker 2: Nope, it's all good.
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  Speaker 1: You're in good spirits about it, So that's good. Try
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  Speaker 1: to be Thanks for coming today and this show was
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  Speaker 1: coming out. You're gonna be on the live show that
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  Speaker 1: we record tomorrow is live and so we're not even
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  Speaker 1: going to address it. We're just gonna tell folks if
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  Speaker 1: you want to know what happened to Corey's face, Ye,
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  Speaker 1: you got to tune in next week.
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  Speaker 2: There hanging all right.
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  Speaker 1: Joining us on the line first is David Fabian, the
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  Speaker 1: editor of Guns and AMMO Special Interest Publications. He had
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  Speaker 1: a run in on public land in Wyoming with a
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  Speaker 1: rancher earlier this fall that went viral on social media.
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  Speaker 1: He's here to tell us that story. David. Welcome to
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  Speaker 1: the show.
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  Speaker 3: How Ady David Spencer, Hi, guys.
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  Speaker 1: First thing, tell us about the area you were hunting
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  Speaker 1: and how you accessed it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, we were hunting this this chunk of landlocked public
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  Speaker 5: public land that The only way to get there if
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  Speaker 5: you don't have a family connection or deep pockets is
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  Speaker 5: to take a helicopter. So we poked our rig and
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  Speaker 5: we borded a helicopter and flew about four minutes and
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  Speaker 5: set up camping. We could we could look back in
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  Speaker 5: the distance maybe four and a half miles. We could
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  Speaker 5: see our cars down there. But yeah, can't walk there.
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  Speaker 3: M h.
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  Speaker 1: And it took a few years for you to find
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  Speaker 1: a pilot who was willing to fly you into these places?
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  Speaker 1: What was that process?
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  Speaker 5: Like?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, incredibly frustrating.
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  Speaker 5: I had this I had this idea that that you know,
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  Speaker 5: I want to hunt land, my public land, because it's
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  Speaker 5: got to be the shangri la of oh yeah, public land.
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  Speaker 5: And so I finally I finally got the plan together,
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  Speaker 5: and and then I called air operator after air operator
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  Speaker 5: after air operator, and no one, No one would do it.
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  Speaker 5: I think it was my twenty sixth or twenty seventh
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  Speaker 5: whoa look opter or plane pilot I spoke to that
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  Speaker 5: said yeah, I'd love to do it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, you found you found the right guy. I read
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  Speaker 1: that at one point you were talking to someone who
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  Speaker 1: could drop you in there with a hot air balloon. Correct.
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  Speaker 5: No, No, I was so desperate to make a hunt
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  Speaker 5: happen that I called a hot air balloon manufacturer. Oh
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  Speaker 5: and I said, I said, I said, guys, have you
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  Speaker 5: ever sold any hot air balloons for DIY hunters?
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  Speaker 3: And they go, uh no, that's the first we've heard
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  Speaker 3: of this.
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  Speaker 5: And they say, they said to me, you do realize
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  Speaker 5: you can't steer them right, And I did realize and
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  Speaker 5: I still do think that it could be done. So
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  Speaker 5: maybe next year we'll be talking about my hot air
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  Speaker 5: balloon hunt.
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  Speaker 1: Uh huh, Yeah, you were desperate. Max, our co host,
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  Speaker 1: has a question.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, David, what's Wyoming's rule about flying and hunting the
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  Speaker 6: same day.
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  Speaker 5: You can do it, no problem if you use it
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  Speaker 5: for if you use the aircraft for transportation purposes and
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  Speaker 5: not scouting, you're good to go.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, cool, Okay, So you get the four minute helicopter
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  Speaker 1: ride into your spot. Tell us about the hunt itself,
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  Speaker 1: which took place back in November.
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  Speaker 3: So the hunt itself is very special.
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  Speaker 5: My buddy had been scheming on getting on this land
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  Speaker 5: to hunt for like twenty some years, and he said,
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  Speaker 5: if you can get us a helicopter, then we'll have
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  Speaker 5: a great al hunt. Well, we got the helicopter and
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  Speaker 5: we had I mean, we had a great elk hunt,
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  Speaker 5: but the hunt itself was overshadowed by two things. One
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  Speaker 5: obviously we'll get to, but we also happened to have
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  Speaker 5: that amazing Northern lions display.
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  Speaker 6: On the Oh, that's awesome.
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  Speaker 5: After we got a double on nice mature bulls, we
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  Speaker 5: went back to camp and it was like a six
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  Speaker 5: hour show. And the time lapse of the videographer got
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  Speaker 5: on it is just like it gives me goosebumps even
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  Speaker 5: telling the story thinking about it.
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  Speaker 1: Good stuff. So you were, you were processing when one
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  Speaker 1: of the bulls, when when the thing happened? Uh and
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  Speaker 1: and you said, quote the strangest hunting encounter of your life.
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  Speaker 1: That's how you described in your article on Peterson's hunting
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  Speaker 1: what happened.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, there's there's nothing that even comes close
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  Speaker 5: to this one. I've had, I've had issues with people
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  Speaker 5: like we all had on public land, but but nothing
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  Speaker 5: like this. So so my buddy and I we left
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  Speaker 5: our camp and hiked to the kill site. When we
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  Speaker 5: both killed, we killed two bulls that were probably one
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  Speaker 5: hundred and fifty yards apart. So we uh, we hiked
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  Speaker 5: back to my ball, and we got there at nine
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  Speaker 5: o'clock in the morning, and we're gonna start packing meat,
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  Speaker 5: and the other guys were gonna come meet us as
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  Speaker 5: soon as they got done due to filming. So we
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  Speaker 5: sit down at my bowl and we look down below,
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  Speaker 5: and there walking across his flat is a rancher or
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  Speaker 5: another hunt. Sure he's got a you know, elk handler's
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  Speaker 5: over his shoulder. And so I think myself, huh, you
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  Speaker 5: know whatever, we got we got two elk in this
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  Speaker 5: place last night. The rancher obviously shot one in there
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  Speaker 5: as well. Yeah, they didn'tdn't think anything of it. And
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  Speaker 5: my buddy, he said, I wonder if that's our other elk,
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  Speaker 5: And just then this light bulb goes off my head, like,
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  Speaker 5: holy cow, could we really have Could we really be
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  Speaker 5: witnessing an elk theft in the process from from a
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  Speaker 5: rancher who obviously came on private across private ground. And
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  Speaker 5: so I just brought my binoculars.
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  Speaker 3: He didn't bring me.
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  Speaker 5: Left it back camp, but he siddly see binoculars, and
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  Speaker 5: so we took my binoculars and looked down there two
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  Speaker 5: hundred yards and he recognized the back forks of of
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  Speaker 5: the elks as being one that our buddy Ryan shot,
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  Speaker 5: and he said, he said, I think that's our elk,
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  Speaker 5: and so I'm thinking, still no way, Like, what are
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  Speaker 5: the It's not even the realm of possibility. So he says,
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  Speaker 5: stay here, keep an eye on the brush line because
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  Speaker 5: the guy walked in the brush. So so Ben looked
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  Speaker 5: at him for I mean, he just had seconds to
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  Speaker 5: determine that that could be our or hell. He said,
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  Speaker 5: stay here and keep looking down at the at the
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  Speaker 5: brush line. So I stayed there, and I expected this
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  Speaker 5: this rancher, I'd be him. I expected this rancher would
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  Speaker 5: come out and go get a quarter and take the
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  Speaker 5: quarter and walk into the brush. It never came out.
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  Speaker 5: And so a few minutes later, once once bend and
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  Speaker 5: made up to the other kill site, all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 5: I hear this voice come booming down and he said
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  Speaker 5: he stole our out.
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  Speaker 3: Go after him. And it's like, okay. Now that's where
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  Speaker 3: it became the weirdest moment of my hunting, of my
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  Speaker 3: hunting career.
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  Speaker 5: And I mean, it's one thing to have interactions with people,
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  Speaker 5: but it's a whole different thing when you catch someone
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  Speaker 5: stealing your antlers, and they don't want you there to
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  Speaker 5: begin with. I mean, that's just that's just a given.
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  Speaker 5: But they go to the go to the degree of stealing.
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  Speaker 5: You're stealing from you, and then they're hiding in brush line.
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  Speaker 5: You just caught him like approaching that brush line. I
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  Speaker 5: cannot even describe the pangs of fear that went through me,
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  Speaker 5: Like I was terrified, but.
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  Speaker 3: But we had to do it, so fam got there first.
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  Speaker 1: Well, go ahead, No, I was just going to recap you.
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  Speaker 1: You've now you've got three balls down, You've you're working
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  Speaker 1: on the meat. You've watched this rancher from two hundred
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  Speaker 1: yards away walk into the brush with your elk head
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  Speaker 1: and then you guys march over there. What's the conversation
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  Speaker 1: like with the rancher.
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  Speaker 5: Well, my my buddy didn't vended most of the talking
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  Speaker 5: at first, and he was he was obviously really pissed.
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  Speaker 5: He wanted the guy to come out. The guy was
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  Speaker 5: hiding in there. He wouldn't come out. He finally he
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  Speaker 5: finally came out, and it's a it's a seventy year
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  Speaker 5: old dude, and I'm just like my mind is blown,
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  Speaker 5: Like I can't even say anything for the first For
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  Speaker 5: the first few minutes, probably I was just recording with
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  Speaker 5: my with my phone because I knew this was evidence
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  Speaker 5: that we're gonna have to use. Uh and so that
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  Speaker 5: is one thing that anyone in this situation, like we've
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  Speaker 5: got amazing technology and just pulling out your phone and recording.
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  Speaker 3: Stuff, we'll really cover your cover your basis. But uh.
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  Speaker 5: Anyways, the conversation was was was very simple, like why
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  Speaker 5: did this happen?
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  Speaker 3: What? What what purpose did you steal this lkad for? Like, like,
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  Speaker 3: what's going on? And the guy the guy didn't didn't answer.
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  Speaker 5: He did a bunch of a bunch of misdirection, wouldn't
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  Speaker 5: identify himself as a rancher, denied even having the bowl.
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  Speaker 3: We called him out in all this stuff.
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  Speaker 5: But ultimately he said the reason was he didn't he
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  Speaker 5: didn't want us hunting on this outfit.
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  Speaker 3: That's what he said.
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  Speaker 5: This outfit meaning the public land that he's had sole
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  Speaker 5: access to for uh. I guess probably forty five years.
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  Speaker 5: So he's been there.
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  Speaker 1: And at some point in this process, when you guys
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  Speaker 1: are glassing him or walking over there, you you heard
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  Speaker 1: a few gunshots? Correct? Where did those play? End of
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  Speaker 1: the story.
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  Speaker 3: I can't.
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  Speaker 5: I can't confirm where those gunshots came from or who
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  Speaker 5: did it even but I believe that that rancher shot
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  Speaker 5: three times that morning, and I don't.
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  Speaker 3: I don't, I can't. I can't understand the logic behind
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  Speaker 3: that one.
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  Speaker 5: But anyways, when when we saw him, uh, he never
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  Speaker 5: had a right so I can't. I can't confirm it
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  Speaker 5: with him nor what he did.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm guessing.
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  Speaker 5: I'm guessing he probably did it to to signify like, hey,
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  Speaker 5: I got an animal, and then if if someone sees
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  Speaker 5: him packing it out, like that's that's what happened.
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  Speaker 3: But that's that's just that's just pure theory. I don't.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think he did it to scare us or anything.
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  Speaker 5: Like when you're when you're in public plan people people
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  Speaker 5: shoot and you know you're not gonna you can get
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  Speaker 5: out of there because another hunter's in there.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So at the beginning of the conversation, the
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  Speaker 1: rancher is is denying the whole thing, right, But at
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  Speaker 1: some point you get him to show you where the
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  Speaker 1: skull is. How did that go down? I know he uh.
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  Speaker 5: I think I think he said to us the first
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  Speaker 5: first time was what bowl, and and Ben said the
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  Speaker 5: one you just saw, the one we just saw you
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  Speaker 5: packed into the brush and so uh and so after
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  Speaker 5: after a few minutes of the conversation, uh, Ben goes,
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  Speaker 5: you want me, We'll get the bull, and he goes
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  Speaker 5: have at it.
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  Speaker 3: So Ben walks in there and he looks.
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  Speaker 5: Down bottom of this little cut and there's and there's
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  Speaker 5: our buddy Ryan's l Candler's. So so not only did
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  Speaker 5: he did he take the bull and put it in
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  Speaker 5: the brush lamp, but he tossed it down this this
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  Speaker 5: ten foot ten foot ditch and and climbed down it
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  Speaker 5: was it was it was not easy to get down there,
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  Speaker 5: but he climbed down there, and he placed it in
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  Speaker 5: a place where you could barely see it. I know
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  Speaker 5: when I went to recover the antlers, because I got
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  Speaker 5: him out. When I jumped down there, I uh, I looked,
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  Speaker 5: and sure enough there was there was fresh boot tracks
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  Speaker 5: in there, like he'd actually gone to the effort of
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  Speaker 5: hiding them so you could you could barely find it.
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  Speaker 1: And then weirdly he like offers to help you guys
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  Speaker 1: at that point, right, Well, that's.
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  Speaker 3: That's interesting how that worked out.
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  Speaker 5: Because I was I was relieved that we uh, that
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  Speaker 5: we got the elk at back, and I was relieved
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  Speaker 5: that we didn't get shot. Truthfully, that was my biggest
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  Speaker 5: fear in the whole thing. But uh, but after we
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  Speaker 5: after we after attentions cooled, I realized that, hey, you know,
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  Speaker 5: that guy packed this elkhead down, you know, three hundred
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  Speaker 5: vertical feet, so three hundred maybe even four hundred vertical
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  Speaker 5: feet and at least three hundred yards. So I said,
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  Speaker 5: how in the hell are we going to get it
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  Speaker 5: back up to the kill site? Like, we got to
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  Speaker 5: pack it up now, So what are you gonna do?
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  Speaker 5: And I really I thought I thought he was going
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  Speaker 5: to say, look, guys, I messed up. You know, instead
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  Speaker 5: of instead of taking out there, you can just come
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  Speaker 5: out my ranch, go get your cars, take your stuff out.
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  Speaker 1: That one.
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  Speaker 3: I was waiting for that because I was thinking, okay, cool, I'd.
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  Speaker 6: Say, gave us some money on the helicopter, right.
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  Speaker 3: It would have saved us so much money if you would,
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  Speaker 3: if you would have done that. But he didn't. He
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  Speaker 3: never did. He did.
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  Speaker 5: He did, however, offer to pack it up, so I
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  Speaker 5: thought that was that was a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Of a redemption on his behalf.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you guys get the elk, then back to
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  Speaker 1: your camp, you and the rancher go your separate ways.
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  Speaker 1: At what point do you contact the authorities? And how
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  Speaker 1: did that conversation go.
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  Speaker 5: As soon as we had service, Yeah, as soon as
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  Speaker 5: we had service, we well, we waited for our buddies
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  Speaker 5: to get back, and we said, he said, you'd think
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  Speaker 5: you think the hunt was a was a cool story,
• 14:44
  Speaker 5: like just wait to you, wait till you see what
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  Speaker 5: we but we just witnessed. And so, I mean, our
• 14:49
  Speaker 5: friends were just slack jawed when we told him the story,
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  Speaker 5: like they thought they were we were messing with them
• 14:54
  Speaker 5: at first, and we're like, no, I promise you we
• 14:56
  Speaker 5: were not messing with you. But yeah, so we went
• 14:58
  Speaker 5: h We went back to camp that night and there
• 15:00
  Speaker 5: we had good service. So the phone calls made to
• 15:03
  Speaker 5: the game warden and said, yep, this happened, we'll be
• 15:05
  Speaker 5: out tomorrow.
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: What do we do?
• 15:06
  Speaker 5: And the game warden said, uh, please meet me because
• 15:09
  Speaker 5: that's a that's a very odd story. And so and
• 15:12
  Speaker 5: so the next day we flew out and met with
• 15:14
  Speaker 5: the game warden and and told them and everyone in
• 15:17
  Speaker 5: law enforcement, everyone period, that here's the story. They all
• 15:20
  Speaker 5: say the same thing, like, I can't even I cannot
• 15:23
  Speaker 5: believe that happened.
• 15:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, is that considered like hunting harassment then? Or what
• 15:28
  Speaker 6: did the game wardens actually say?
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: That's that's a great that's a great question.
• 15:32
  Speaker 5: And I don't I don't fully know what what the
• 15:35
  Speaker 5: long term legal outcome is going to be. But but yeah,
• 15:38
  Speaker 5: we we asked the word and the same thing, like like,
• 15:41
  Speaker 5: what's gonna happen here? And he goes, he goes, most
• 15:43
  Speaker 5: I can do his hunting harassment, but he goes, after
• 15:45
  Speaker 5: seeing the after seeing the videos that we that we made,
• 15:48
  Speaker 5: he said, uh, he said, this goes way beyond that.
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: So I'm gonna I'm gonna grow up in the local
• 15:53
  Speaker 5: sheriff's office and they're gonna do investigation and then we'll
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: our charges to the prosecutor, you know, entirety.
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: God, this this has been about month removed from when
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: it happened. The legal process is still playing out at
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: this point, right Yeah.
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, but god, I am I am. I am
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: optimistic because uh, a few weeks ago, I did get
• 16:11
  Speaker 5: a phone call from the from the sheriff's office and
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: and they actually said like, hey, we're pursuing this. We're
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: about to hand this to the prosecutor. So he will
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: he will be he will be punished for what he did.
• 16:21
  Speaker 5: And and that's good. That's a good thing because the
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: part that that scares me the most is is not
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: the not the brazen act that that that a lot
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: of these landowners go to uh to deter you from
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: legally accessing it with aircraft. But I worry if this
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: guy gets off with just a slap on the wrist,
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: that it's gonna it's gonna put future fly on hunters
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: in danger.
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: I mean some ultimately something bad is gonna happen.
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: Like it's one thing to lose nel Ken, but it'd
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: be just a tragedy for someone to lose their life.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: M uh. Now this was not your first fly in hunt.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: Have you had problems in the past with neighboring landowners?
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: See when I when I first started this, I thought
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: to myself, like, yeah, they're gonna annoyed, But what are
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: they gonna do? It's not their land, you know, really,
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: what are they gonna do? Well, what I found out
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: now is in their minds it is their land. They
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: don't have deeded, they don't have the deeded deeded rights
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: to it. But but they genuinely do feel and this
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: is this is a blanket statement. So I'm just I'm
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: just talking with the people we've interacted with. But every
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: single landowner that we've had interactions with has been less
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: than less than welcoming.
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: And and and some.
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: People there's there's a there's a couple that has a massive,
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: a massive ranch that surrounds I mean, I don't know,
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: maybe thirty thousand total acres.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: Of public landlocked land.
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: But but they they're they're so extreme that they pester
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: us on the hunts. They find excuses to go in
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: there looking for cows. They they would this lady would
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: take her kids. Like in October, we did a flying
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: deer hunt and my dad and his high school buddy,
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: two seventy five year olds are in there hunting deer
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: and cow elk, and and this lady shows up above
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: their ridge in the middle of nowhere, and she takes
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: her kids for a for a loud walk right above
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: their camp. It's like, it's so annoying, but but she
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: took it to she took it two level that that
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: is still surprising me. She told our helicopter pilot. She
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: said that if if I can't have sole access to
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: that land and you guys keep coming in by helicopter,
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: then I'm going going there and ruin that land, ruin
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: that land so.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: No one can take advantage of someone can use it.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: And you're just you're like pretty vulnerable back there in
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: their situations.
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I never I've never been in combat. But
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: it it is like almost like you're getting dropped off
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: on an island because because yeah, you could leave if
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: you wanted to, but.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: You really can't, like you're gonna be trust back trespass
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: to get out of there.
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: And the first time I went in, uh, the helicopter,
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: the helicopter landed and gave us a big group briefing,
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: and so we're sitting around the helicopter and finally, after
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: after thirty minutes of how to avoid getting your head
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: chopped off, we boarded it our flight for the for
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: the first trip in and this and this rancher came
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: around us on this four wheeler and the helicopter wasn't
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: running yet, but he said, he said, good luck, We'll
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: be seeing you soon.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: And he said it like such a such a spooky
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: villain kind of way almost like.
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: Sorry, I assure you that that first night in there,
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: I was ready for a posse of landowners to come
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: there and try to lynch us from a tree.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Last question, David, you and I worked together about
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: a decade ago when I was at Peterson Hunting in Illinois.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: How much do you miss me?
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: How much do I miss you?
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Or loaded question me? Well, you can answer both, yeah,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: how much you miss me? And then tell us how
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: much you miss Peoria on a.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: Scale one to ten. I miss you nine point eight.
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: All right, Yes, I really do on a scale one
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: to ten for Peoria.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: I just missed the people. I don't miss the place
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: at all.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Okay, so same good answer. Yeah.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: You can read.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: David's full story about the hunt in his article called
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: a Landowner Stole Our Trophy elk on Peterson Hunning dot com. David,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: thanks for joining us and telling the story.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: Thanks take care see David's.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah wild crazy stuff.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I now even know what to do well. And
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: this crazy part is not only to land owners, not
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: all of them, obviously, it's it's it's a few that
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: get a little frustrated with this. But not only do
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: they believe that the land is theirs, but the animals
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: are theirs too. Yeah, there's a lot of that going
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: on that just is mind blowing me. There's a dollar
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: amount on each one of those trop And.
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: It's so crazy too because a lot of times when
• 20:26
  Speaker 6: I see like there's different land for sale and listing,
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: the realtors will advertise like, oh so and so much
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: public land landlocked.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, you know, and I'm.
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: Just like, that's not considered theirs, but.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's uh wild timing that they like saw
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: it go down. You know, if they'd have been five
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: minutes behind in the process and didn't see it happen,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: who knows how that story would have been different.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: Right, all right.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Normally at this point in the show we take a
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: break for some listener feedback, but since we're out live,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: these are questions that were submitted ahead of time, we'll
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: hit a few of them now and then a few
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: at the end of the show. The first one is
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: from Ryan Bowlinger Favorite way to cook waterfowl Max.
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: If I could every single time, I would cook skin
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: on duck, for sure, But that's not as an option,
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: especially like early season when they don't they're not as fatty.
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: They still have pin feathers. So a lot of times,
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: like duck or goose, just cook it like a steak, trim,
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: trim all the silver skin off, salt, pepper, garlic, turns
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: out awesome, especially like the snow geese, the speckle bellies,
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: even like some of your dabbler ducks. Yeah that's great,
• 21:42
  Speaker 6: but yeah, I've done things like the crock pot barbecue,
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: shredded meat, tacos. Options are really endless. I know Steve's
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: favorite way is like duck cunfy, which is also really good,
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: but yeah, duck or goose for strown me. I just
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: made some over thanksgaving phenomenal.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: All these recipes on the medeater dot com. I think
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: my best waterfowl I've had was when Cal and I
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: were filming part of My Plate when we did the
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: cood episode. We did side by side comparison with a
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: mallard that the skin was left on. We cooked it
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: on hot rill, just like you said with a steak,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: and it was. It was phenomenal. You would struggle in
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: a Pepsi challenge to identify that that was a mallard
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: versus a piece of beef. It was. It was really great.
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think Steve is doing a comparison with a
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: Merganzer GoldenEye and a.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Mallard dabbler and a couple of divers. We'll see how
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: that goes. Corey favorite way to cook waterfowl, Well, I
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: don't really have much of a duck in this fight.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: I don't do a lot of waterfowl hunting, but just
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: same exactly, I would say, the same exact way I
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: cook any steak, which is in a hot cast iron pan.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: All right. Next question from Will pallakangis how do you
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: guys wash your marinal wool bass layers. I reached out
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: to the folks at First Light to get an official
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: answer on this because I didn't want to lead anyone astray.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Here's what they told me. Some companies make cleaners that
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: are specifically for Marina wool products. One of them is Grangers,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: which First Light really likes. Some of the staff over
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: there and me included just uses dead down wind. And
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: if you aren't buying a special detergent for your base layers,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: they say to look for labels that say gentle or
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: mild on them. As far as the washing goes, they
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: say it's really important to wash on a gentle cycle
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: with cold water. Try to separate different fabrics and colors.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: For example, you don't want to put a marinal wool
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: kiln hoodie in washing. It has a heavy coat with velcro,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: It's going to get beat up. For drying, they say
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: do a tumble dry or a low dry. Blasting the
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: marina wool in a hot dry or might shrink it.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: So simply put mild detergent or specialized detergent like Grangers,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: and then wash and dry at cool temps.
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm so horrible at this. I just throw everything
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: together and wash it the same, dryads the same. But
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: I do try. If I know I'm doing some renal, well,
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: I'll like try to keep it on low for drying
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: aspect for sure.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I am so bad at it.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, low and slow. Same with down products too, so
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: natural fibers, low lightwash and then either a super light
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: tumble or even just hang it outside. Sure got nice
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: weather hanging in a pine tree.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Yep, Open air and sunlight can do a lot for
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: your smelly clothes. Okay, Cameron jo seven best piece of
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: hunting gear you use that's under fifty dollars. I'll do
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: even one better. I'll go under one dollar handwarmers and
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: tow warmers. Anyone, anyone you know who hunts her fishes
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: north of the Mason Dixon line, they'll find a use
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: for some handwarmers and some tow warmers. I think they're
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: still like ninety eight cents. When I was hunting in
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Illinois it was single digits. Having those handwarmers and tow
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: warmers was like as important as my coat, you know.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: And it's like a five hundred dollars coat versus a
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: one dollar hand warmer. They'll they'll really keep you out
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: there longer.
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: Do you find your feet? If you do the toe warmers,
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: your feet get too sweaty or too warm, and they
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: get then they get sweaty and then they get cold.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Mm no, okay. But I'm also not like walking around
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: in them either, right, Like, it's like, okay, this is
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: where I'm partier by but for the next two hours.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: So throwing a toe warmer in there. Favorite piece of
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: gear under fifty dollars.
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: Max for me. It's got to be like neck gator
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: or a buff Yeah, actually got.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: One right here.
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: This is the Tundra cold weather net gator forty bucks
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: works as a face mask, and it just works as
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: just keeping the wind off the back of your neck.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. I like them, if you know,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: even I'm a hunting in September obviously not that heavy
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: of one, but yeah, just the sun and wind.
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: I mean, just like something to help conceal your face
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: a little bit and then like if you can, it
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: kills two birds in one stone.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: So yeah, Corey, tell Cameron a favorite piece of hunting
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: gear under fifty.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Dollars A cheap pair of aftermarket insols. Obviously, go big
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: and get some custom orthotics that could run you one
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: hundred to two hundred dollars.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: What's your favorite?
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: I really like superfeet just because they're there. I think
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: there may be a little over fifty dollars now, but
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: just google aftermarket insouls and you'll find some under fifty dollars.
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: For sure.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Anything's better than the junk that they give you in
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: the boots. I mean, they'll last you a couple months.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: But do your feet a favor and get aftermarket insols.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Make sure it matches your arch, so you might have
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: to bump up a size to make sure it fits
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: your arch. So if you can go into a bootstore
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: or any sporting good store and try and put your
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: foot on the insol, make sure it lines up with
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: your arch, and then you can cut it to fit
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: into your boot.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, put that on the Christmas list. The cutting is porn.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: If you get slightly oversized and they start to roll
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: in your in your boot, that's that's no good. Next
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: question is from mo Heyeskawa. What is Phil's favorite ever
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: podcast episode of Meat Eater?
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: Thanks mo.
• 27:05
  Speaker 7: I don't know if I have a specific one that
• 27:07
  Speaker 7: sticks out, but I love the the authors that Steve
• 27:11
  Speaker 7: brings in because you know, I can. I don't connect
• 27:15
  Speaker 7: as much to all the very specific hunting talk, but
• 27:18
  Speaker 7: I love it when Steve specifically like a nautical disaster,
• 27:20
  Speaker 7: which Steve loves. And I also love, you know, from
• 27:23
  Speaker 7: the Edmund Fits to having David Grant talking about the
• 27:26
  Speaker 7: Wager because you can those guys just know their stuff
• 27:29
  Speaker 7: so well and Steve that you can feel Steve's passion
• 27:32
  Speaker 7: when he's asking questions. I also love the awkward part
• 27:35
  Speaker 7: of every conversation with an author when Steve tries to
• 27:37
  Speaker 7: get them to talk about the end of the book
• 27:39
  Speaker 7: and they don't want to, and He's.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: Like, oh, come on, it's fun.
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: It never fails to amuse me.
• 27:44
  Speaker 7: And then it's like, I love the ones that stick
• 27:46
  Speaker 7: out in my mind are the ones that we had
• 27:47
  Speaker 7: to travel for. Like I loved going going to Werner
• 27:49
  Speaker 7: Hertzog's house was a trip. Going to LA with Spencer
• 27:53
  Speaker 7: and Randall and doing the show with Rob Lowe and
• 27:56
  Speaker 7: Sirius or David Chang at the Ringer was fun. Yeah,
• 28:00
  Speaker 7: So those are those are my favorites. I love the
• 28:02
  Speaker 7: authors and the comedians like Bradleyoni was a lot of
• 28:05
  Speaker 7: fund Dana Doute was a lot of fun too.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: All right, Corey's going to answer this next one from
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Redbeard fly Fishing. If you were hunting in snow too
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: deep for gators, what kind of pants do you like?
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: I'd have to go at the First Light Omen Storm
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: shelter pants. They got the built in splash guard velcro
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: that goes around your boots, plus the bootlace hook like
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: most gators have that keep them down when you're trudging
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: through the snow, and they're waterproof. Obviously they're light full
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: vents knee pads. I mean, I think that's my favorite
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: thing First Light makes in there.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: What are they again?
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: The omen pant?
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: Ok?
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: So will you wear the gators with those ors ad overkill.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Man, if it was like melting snow and super sloppy,
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: I've done it, certainly, gators than those over the top,
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: but dry snow, no, no need. They're great for whatever.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: I use the backcountry skiing too.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: All right, next question, we got two more left in
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: this round. This is from Willie Scoey or will Is Kohe.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure what is Max's white whale for waterfowl?
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: Oh, that's a great question.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: I don't even have a guess. Something from the Arctic
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Circle or like not even that. Okay, something banded? What
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: what is it? Yeah?
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: No, it's I mean, people might make fun of me
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: and because they probably have many of these, but I've
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: never killed, were never harvested, abandoned Drake Mallard really so yeah,
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: it's gonna be a bandoned Drake Mallard retrieved.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: By my dog.
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: Okay, my dog has retrieved like three or four of them,
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: But me personally, I've never shot one.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: I've shot banded Canada geese, pintail teal, gadwall snow geese,
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: but never abandoned Drake Mallard.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, I've only killed like five ducks in my life,
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: and I've killed one really really not bragging.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: I've killed one banded bird. It was a speckle belly goose.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah came in December.
• 30:01
  Speaker 6: But yeah, for the amount of mallards that I tend
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: to harvest, I'm just waiting on the day.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Where on the continent would you go to get that?
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Because there's dudes who will, like, they know that this
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: refuge bands this time of year, so if they go there,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: they can, you know, have higher odds. Where would you
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: try to do it at?
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: I mean, I know there's a lot of banding down
• 30:21
  Speaker 6: in Arkansas in the flooded timber, but I necessarily don't
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: want to.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Go somewhere where it's like you want to be organic.
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah, oh for sure. Like where we are around Bozman,
• 30:32
  Speaker 6: we see a lot of birds from Alberta, some Sasketchwan birds,
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: and they do a lot of banding up there, a
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: lot of banning projects. And one of these days Ruby's
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: gonna come back with something shiny on that orange leg.
• 30:44
  Speaker 6: So hopefully it's this year.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Maybe all right, last one Wally Bloomer, he says, Phil
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Destiny too, Star Wars expansion question mark, I don't know
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: what that means. What's he asking, Phil?
• 30:56
  Speaker 7: Destiny two is a video game as a sequel to
• 30:59
  Speaker 7: the game Destiny. If you can put that together, it's
• 31:02
  Speaker 7: a it's a mult it's a multiplayer online shooter from
• 31:04
  Speaker 7: the same team who made the first three Halo games.
• 31:07
  Speaker 7: So bungeee based out of a bellv. Washington, and so
• 31:11
  Speaker 7: you know, it feels a lot like Halo feels great.
• 31:13
  Speaker 7: No one makes like the their art direction is unparalleled.
• 31:16
  Speaker 7: I put over fifteen hundred hours into this game. But
• 31:19
  Speaker 7: let's see, Wally Bloomer, I haven't touched Destiny since the
• 31:22
  Speaker 7: Final Shape, which which for everyone else was the last
• 31:25
  Speaker 7: big expansion downloadable content expansion. But I had I think
• 31:31
  Speaker 7: I said it before I had to quit Cold Turkey.
• 31:32
  Speaker 7: I was just wasting too much, too much time playing
• 31:35
  Speaker 7: that game, and I to be honest, Wally, I didn't
• 31:39
  Speaker 7: even know that there was a Star Wars tinged expansion
• 31:43
  Speaker 7: until I read this question. That is how checked out.
• 31:45
  Speaker 7: I am from the Destiny community, which didn't used to
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: be the case. But yeah, it's a so just for
• 31:52
  Speaker 7: fifteen more seconds of detail. The reason you waste so
• 31:54
  Speaker 7: much time playing these games is because it's a multi massive,
• 31:58
  Speaker 7: multiplayer online game. So you play with a bunch of people,
• 32:00
  Speaker 7: and it's like a looter shooter as well, so you're
• 32:02
  Speaker 7: always trying to make your number go up. You get
• 32:04
  Speaker 7: a gun, and then that gun helps you fight stronger monsters,
• 32:06
  Speaker 7: and then you get an even stronger gun, and that
• 32:08
  Speaker 7: gun helps you fight stronger monsters, and you watch your
• 32:10
  Speaker 7: number tick up, and it's just that sort of serotonin hip.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: Just learning about the Star Wars make you more interested though,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: or you still just know not at all.
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  Speaker 4: No, I'm done, I'm done forever, Wally.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Sorry, all right, our next segment is Top threes.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna fire this up.
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: That was not the right note.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: All right, Each one of us had a different top
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: three list today. Corey, start us out. What is your
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: top three list?
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Oh boy, Well, we're kind of wrapping up twenty twenty five,
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: not officially yet obviously, but it makes me always kind
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: of reminisced the year. So I'm doing, in no particular order,
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: necessarily my top three outdoor adventures. We'll see what Phil
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: brings up.
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  Speaker 1: I can't wait to see to.
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  Speaker 4: Get rid of this banner.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, So in April, Corin and I went down
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: to West Texas to hunt add ad and had a
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: successful hunt, harvested you and a ram. But that was
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: like a blur just compared to the the adventure down
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: there Montana. Boy, this is only the second time I've
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: hunted in another state. First time I was just guiding,
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: so I hadn't where was that at Colorado?
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Cool?
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: My first season guidance, So this just being invited was phenomenal.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: And then being able to explore this super rugged, dry,
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: arid country of West Texas. We were staring into Mexico
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: the whole time. It was only in the seventies, but
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: it was so dry that it felt so much hotter.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Not a cloud in the sky, no shade to get under,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: no shade.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: The wind was really nasty, especially in that shot there
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: up on the side of a mountain. Got to eat
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: some odd ad fresh over the fire, which was pretty cool.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: Just the whole.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Experience was awesome.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Where's that skull at now hanging in my house?
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: As soon as you walk up the.
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: Stairs, is that is that a bowl?
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: A buck ram? Right? Yeah?
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: I was trying to think of another one.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: But yeah, they're more on the sheep side of things.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Cool.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So that was good.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Adventure number three.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty awesome adventure. Let's see number two would have
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: been My wife and son and I did a lot
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: of camp floating. We like to take the driftboat down
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: onto one of our free stone rivers and camp on
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: public land, either on an island or off the off
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: a beach, just off the side of a of a river.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Typically we hit the Yellowstone River, which is a nice
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: short drive here from Bozeman, but love to take the
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: boat out for one or two days, one or two
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: nights if possible, and figure out what sort of adventures
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: we can go on. There's a shot and my kid
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: jumping off the front of the boat, super nonchalant. We
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: either go by ourselves or with another family. But it's fun.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Fish all day, pull into a beach wherever you want.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Bet you find some aggts in petrified wood.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, lots lots of petrified wood. I still don't quite
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: have the eye for it. But even though I have
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: found one of the biggest piece of the biggest bagg
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: I've ever seen.
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: You're multitasking in that photo.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there I am rowing the boat with a boat
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: full of gear, firewood, a dog and two kids in
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: the front that were kicking splashing the water. Churning up
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: all the fish. But I didn't catch anything, but I
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: had to try.
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: Isn't that called the Sandwan shuffle?
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's when they actually kick up the rocks.
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so close. So just the family float trips in
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: the summer, looking forward to that again.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Next, what does the San Juan shuffle?
• 35:47
  Speaker 6: It's basically like you walk and you're kicking up all
• 35:51
  Speaker 6: this dirt and I do know.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like if you're fishing a hole, it's a beneficial thing. Yeah,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: You're kicking up a lot of bugs higher up in
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: the stream and they come down and they can chum
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: up the fish if you will. It sometimes works, other
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: times I feel like any movement can cut the fish
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: down to Yeah, So I like that name.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: I Uh, there's a driving maneuver I refer to as
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: the Chicago sweep. It's where you cross multiple lanes at once.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Say you're like four lanes and you gotta get from
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: lane one to that's been there, sure, Yeah, it's the
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: Chicago sweep. And I wondered one time, I was like,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: did I come up with that or did I hear
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: someone say it? So I googled Chicago sweep and I
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: couldn't find it anywhere online, so maybe I made it up.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Let's let's make it a thing though, that is universe.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: That's a Chicago sweep move that you most see, but.
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: You remember you might get pulled over doing it.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, that's not in Chicago. That's like, you know,
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: that's that's driving up there. Pretty normal Chicago sweep multiple lanes.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Lanes, all right.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Number one Corey Adventure of twenty twenty five.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Number one took my wife and son to my favorite
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: place in the world. And I'm not going to tell
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: anybody where it's at. It's right on the edge of
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: a wilderness uh here in Montana, but really cool spot.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Took my son and my wife up there, went up
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: this tiny little creek to go look for some fish,
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: and lo and behold we caught a giant west slope cutthroat. Well, oh,
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: my boy caught that, which was really exciting. Just he
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: was finally old enough where I could take him on
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: the journey, which just getting there obviously is very difficult.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: And he caught itentry.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, did you hook it and then hand him the rod?
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Or he did everything?
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: No, he did everything?
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Hell yeah yeah.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: The dogfly yep, Catus. The dog got in the way.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: Had to wrangle the dog and pull him out of
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: the way. But yeah, super fun, just super remote, hard
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: to get to spot, and I've been waiting since the
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: day he was born to take him back there.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: So a fish that big on a dry fly would
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: spook me a little. It had to really spook Marshall.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Didn't want to You could see it. I want to
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: touch it in the photo. Yeah he's hesitant, but it's great. No,
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: super fun. That won't be the last time up there.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: Good twenty five adventures for Corey. All right, Max, what's
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: your top three?
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 37:56
  Speaker 6: I got top three duck hunting accessories. Yeah, for starters,
• 38:02
  Speaker 6: I'll start without start with these decoys. I'm a big
• 38:05
  Speaker 6: fan of a jerk rig. A jerk rig consists of
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: a weight mm hmm, a little bungee and a line
• 38:15
  Speaker 6: of decoys. So basically you can imagine I put this
• 38:18
  Speaker 6: weight out, I have this line come all the way
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: back to me, and it's exactly what I says, you
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: jerk it. It produces water motion. Water motion goes a
• 38:29
  Speaker 6: long ways. I would use this ten times more than
• 38:35
  Speaker 6: I would ever use a spinner. It's natural, ducks do it.
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: Ducks produce so much water motion that people overlook, and
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: especially if you're hunting like a pond or something, it's
• 38:45
  Speaker 6: super important to have some kind of water.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Only on a calm day. What if they were like,
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: you know, seven mile an hour wind and you had
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: some small waves.
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: It helps for sure because a lot of times too,
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: and people will do this in the South to hunting
• 38:57
  Speaker 6: the timber. They'll just rip on the jerk cord and
• 39:00
  Speaker 6: the splashing sound attracts ducks too, it helps. So yeah,
• 39:06
  Speaker 6: that's my number one. I bring this with me almost
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: every time I go duck hunt for sure. Number two
• 39:14
  Speaker 6: I think I have a photo.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Which one is it gonna be?
• 39:17
  Speaker 6: Oh game tote. I also brought this with me.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Too, A beautiful piece of gear.
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's beautiful piece of gear. It helps you keep
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: your ducks in a row, funny, just easy hang hang
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: the duck by the foot or the head. And a
• 39:36
  Speaker 6: big reason why I like this is in waterfall hunting
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: you've got to keep your ducks separate, like you got
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: to claim your ducks, and it helps you keep you
• 39:44
  Speaker 6: keep keeps you legal. So like Corey and I went out,
• 39:48
  Speaker 6: Oh Corey would be this side, I would be this side.
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: So yeah, that's a thing I bring with me every
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: single time.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: And a picture.
• 39:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it helps with good photos too. So yeah, that
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: was a couple of weeks ago limited Mallard, so very good. Yeah,
• 40:05
  Speaker 6: just you don't need it, but I like it.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: What does that one run? You think?
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: This one's probably one hundred bucks.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: It's going to have for the rest of your life.
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's custom has Ruby's name on it.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Oh very good.
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah. So yeah, once Ruby goes, I'll retire this one
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: and then get another one for the next dog.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: So all right. Number three waterfowl accessory Number three.
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: I kind of touched on this earlier. A neck gator.
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: This one's from First Light forty bucks. But like I
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: was saying earlier, keeps you warm, keeps the wind off you,
• 40:40
  Speaker 6: and also helps conceal you a little bit. So yeah,
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: every time there's it's cold out, I'm wearing this guy.
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: So get a little fleece in this side there. But yeah,
• 40:51
  Speaker 6: that's my top three.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: And you don't realize how warm it's keeping you until
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: you might take it off.
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, oh just just a little wind on the
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: neck is like brutals. Oh that's my top three.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: All right, I'm going next I've got my top three
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: favorite fishing lures of all time. Phil has photos of them.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Number three is the Johnson beetle spin.
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: Nice.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: This is my favorite lure in the world for catching panfish.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: My best days of crappie fishing, bluegill fishing, or thanks
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: to a yellow beetle spin just like that one there,
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: easy to cast, rarely get snagged. You can run him
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: in any depth. One of the last remaining lures you
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: can buy that's under three dollars a piece. Non panfish
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: like them too. I've got some good bass on beetlespins.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: One day in college, while I was fishing from my kayak,
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: I hooked into a giant flathead fishing for bluegill that
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: ate a beetle spin. I think he was probably like
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: twenty pounds. I fought him for like fifteen minutes on
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: my ultra light setup, got him to the edge of
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: the kayak a handful of times. Eventually he broke me
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: off on like my third attempt to grab him, and
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: he broke my heart. It would have been one of
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: my greatest catches of all time. A flathead on a
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: beetlespin from the kayak. Cool anyway, I love the Johnson Beetlespin.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: So does the Freshwater Fishing Hall of Fame. They named
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: it their number thirteen best lure of all time, but
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: for me, it's number three, the Johnson beatlespin.
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: I'm excited to see what what is two and one?
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Number two is the rapaula shad rap. If I can
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: only fish with one crankbait the rest of my life,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: it would be a number five shad rap in fire tiger,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: just like that one there. It'll catch any game fish
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: fast while I pike. You can size it down for
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: panfish and trout, size it up for musky and stripers.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: It's a real do it all lure. You control them.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: You can cast and retrieve. Good for fishing five to
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: ten feet of water, which is where I find myself
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: most times. Also love the shad raps broken cousin the
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: jointed shad rap Those give even more wobble. They're not
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: quite as easy to tune as the og shad rap.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: And I would bet that I own forty or fifty
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: of the jointed shad raps, and the shad raps all
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: on fire two not all on fire tiger. Just wanted
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: to make make sure I bet fire tigers. Is not
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: even top five because that's what I use so often
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: and lose so often. So it's my favorite. But I
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: think I have colors I've recognized that just should be
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: retired because I'm never gonna grab that purple blue thing
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: or whatever I have, all right. Number one is the
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: strike King KVD sexy Frog. Nothing in fishing brings me
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: greater joy than a top water bass bite. And although
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: I love like the scum frog and the zoom horny toad,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: my absolute favorite is the KVD sexy frog. Kevin van
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Dam He's the greatest bass angler ever. He's made my
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: favorite lure ever. The sexy frog is totally weedless. You
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: can cast that thing a mile. It has an internal rattle,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: which not all frogs do, so it has some added sound,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: great action. You can twitch it, you can do a
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: fast retrieve. They have seventeen colors. Now, I like the
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: classic leopard frog, which is what that pattern is because
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: most places I fish in the North, the most common
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: frog is a leopard frog. And here's a hot tip.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: Take a scissors and and cut off like a half
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: inch of that houla skirt legs, and then also add
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: a trailer hook. You'll get better hook sets that way.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Throw it on a calm, cloudy day for best results.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: That's the strike King KVD sexy frog my number one
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: favorite lure.
• 44:15
  Speaker 6: I feel like I was editing a Tony Peterson episode
• 44:18
  Speaker 6: one time, and I felt like he liked a calm
• 44:22
  Speaker 6: sunny day because it produces like a shadow sure up top.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: I think you talk to ten anglers, I'll tell you
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: ten different things. I'd like cloud and calm. Then I've
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: got a few honorable mentioned. The eagle Claw croppie rig.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Croppie rigs get a bad rap for being like the
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: lure you associate with kids and beginner anglers, but that's stupid.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Everyone should embrace the croppy rig. They're cool. You bathe
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: them with worms or minnows to catch any fish in
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: North America. Fish it under a bobber, fish it on
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: the bottom, doesn't take any technique at all, and they're
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: the perfect lure for using while drinking a beer. So
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: that's a crappy rig. The Mister Twister curly tail they
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: make the o G curly tail grub. You won't find
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: anyone that'll tell you it's like the best soft plastic
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: for bass or walleye or anything. But just like as
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: an all around lure, you can't beat a mister Twister
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: good for panfish and game fish. Paired with the VMC jighead,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: that's my favorite jig head. They'll catch anything. And then
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: the little Stinker dip bait worms. If you love catching
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: three pound channel cats in slow moving water, which I do,
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: then you can't beat stink bait. My favorite vessel for
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Sonny's stink bait. That's my favorite stink bait is the
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: little Stinker dipworm. They make it real easy to set
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: the hook with that impregnated treble hook. I've caught more
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: catfish I think on that pairing of the little stinkers
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: worms and sunny stinkbait than anything else. Those are my
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: honorable mentions. Very cool, all right, Phil, what's your top three?
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 45:51
  Speaker 7: Well, I ran into some technical difficulties this morning editing
• 45:53
  Speaker 7: a mediater podcast, so I had to pull a Ryan
• 45:55
  Speaker 7: Callahan and just look around my office. So, okay, we
• 45:58
  Speaker 7: have my top three tiki mugs that were in my office.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: How many did you have in there?
• 46:04
  Speaker 7: Well, I've got like twenty, but I brought that. I
• 46:06
  Speaker 7: brought down five honorable mentions. The first one is this
• 46:10
  Speaker 7: Cohico mug that I got at Smuggler's Cove in San Francisco.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: That's cool.
• 46:15
  Speaker 7: This is the mug that is pictured on the cover
• 46:19
  Speaker 7: of the Smuggler's Cove Tiki book, which is kind of
• 46:22
  Speaker 7: like the modern day Bible of tiki stuff. And it
• 46:24
  Speaker 7: it got a new matt and glaze and it just
• 46:26
  Speaker 7: it looks real, real pretty. It's a little little guys
• 46:29
  Speaker 7: covered in like barnacles and old old nets and and
• 46:32
  Speaker 7: some coral and stuff that used it in your office.
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: I don't use these.
• 46:36
  Speaker 7: If I sometimes i'll take I'll take one home on
• 46:38
  Speaker 7: the weekend if i'm if I feel like making a drink.
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: Okay, that's It's few and far between.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 46:43
  Speaker 7: Number two is this one I actually found at an
• 46:45
  Speaker 7: antique store here in Bozeman, and so it does. It's
• 46:47
  Speaker 7: not that flashy, but I saw it and I was curious.
• 46:51
  Speaker 7: It's guy says Harvey's Lake Tahoe on it.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Cool.
• 46:53
  Speaker 7: So I looked it up and it was an old
• 46:56
  Speaker 7: tiki restaurant, tiki bar that was at the top of
• 46:58
  Speaker 7: a hotel in Aho that was very short lived and
• 47:03
  Speaker 7: apparently wasn't very good. But the hotel has a lot
• 47:06
  Speaker 7: of history because some guy who was in debt over
• 47:08
  Speaker 7: a million dollars at the casino put a bomb in
• 47:10
  Speaker 7: a copier and uh to try to extort the hotel,
• 47:14
  Speaker 7: and the FBI caught wind and detonated the bomb. Nobody
• 47:19
  Speaker 7: was hurt, but I mean it blew up, like the
• 47:20
  Speaker 7: first three stories of the hotel caused like twenty million
• 47:23
  Speaker 7: dollars in damages.
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: And here's here's here's a relic from from there.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Good stuff.
• 47:29
  Speaker 7: And then my favorite was one that I got at
• 47:31
  Speaker 7: a bar called Wusong Road in Cambridge, Massachusetts, just right
• 47:34
  Speaker 7: outside Harvard Square. And this is you've see if you've
• 47:36
  Speaker 7: seen the film Spirited Away. Uh, this is the the
• 47:41
  Speaker 7: the Radish spirit who works in the bathhouse. And I
• 47:43
  Speaker 7: just think it's a great I mean it's it's it's gorgeous,
• 47:46
  Speaker 7: wonderful design. He's wearing a little kind of like cherry
• 47:49
  Speaker 7: blossom Japanese shirt tiki shirt is his hat comes off
• 47:55
  Speaker 7: cookie and it's also just a really cool tiki tiki
• 47:58
  Speaker 7: bar as well. It's got kind of like this pulp
• 47:59
  Speaker 7: comic book theme, like it's it's got a hard hard
• 48:02
  Speaker 7: to describe, but it was a nice little a nice
• 48:04
  Speaker 7: little fine there and near it near Harvard.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Have you drank anything out of that tiki mug once?
• 48:10
  Speaker 7: Yeah, most of these tiki mugs I've had one drink
• 48:12
  Speaker 7: out of. And then I bring him to my office.
• 48:14
  Speaker 7: Uh and and then sometimes I'll bring him home for
• 48:16
  Speaker 7: a special occasion.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: Okay, I thought you had a couple of honor.
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: I'll get some honorable mentions here too.
• 48:20
  Speaker 7: This one, this one is from Galaxy's Edge, the Oga's
• 48:25
  Speaker 7: Cantina in in Disney World and disney Land.
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: This is a sort of like classic.
• 48:30
  Speaker 7: It tells the story of the Battle of Endor and
• 48:32
  Speaker 7: kind of like a tribal artwork sort of thing, like
• 48:35
  Speaker 7: like as if it were designed by Ewoks. So you know,
• 48:38
  Speaker 7: you got the ats T there C three PO and
• 48:40
  Speaker 7: R two D two are somewhere around here. So's the
• 48:43
  Speaker 7: Ewoks just absolutely uh you know, doming some Stormtroopers.
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: That's a good one. And then I've got this.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: Surprise that didn't make top three.
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: Oh so many to choose from.
• 48:54
  Speaker 6: More.
• 48:54
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and then I've got this one, which looks like
• 48:55
  Speaker 7: an arcade cabinet made out of like drift wood. That's
• 48:59
  Speaker 7: that was from Funhouse, which is like an old like
• 49:01
  Speaker 7: a video game comedy site that I used to enjoy
• 49:05
  Speaker 7: a lot.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: Very unique.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Jealous of that collection. That is fun. If you're not
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: watching this on YouTube, you're missing out on a real
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: visual treat.
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: There, big Tail, there we are. Thank you.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: All right joining us on the line. Last is Wired
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: to Hunt host Mark Kenyon. He's here with a top
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: five list of his own. Mark, Welcome to the show.
• 49:26
  Speaker 8: Hey guys, I'm just kind of in shock of Phil's collection.
• 49:29
  Speaker 8: There the quite the thing to try to follow up.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, good luck, Hark makes Phil Phil real quick. Mark,
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: give us a dear movement update for where you're at
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: from Michigan these last thirty days of your dough season.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:43
  Speaker 8: Well, we're coming off of a really great cold and
• 49:46
  Speaker 8: snowy spell for much of the country, really the late
• 49:50
  Speaker 8: season weather that you want. So we're coming off of
• 49:53
  Speaker 8: this high. Unfortunately at the very end of the year,
• 49:55
  Speaker 8: we're actually getting the opposite, which is a warm up,
• 49:58
  Speaker 8: which is not as encouraging. Warmer weather coming in here
• 50:01
  Speaker 8: into the Upper Midwest, some rain. We're going to miss
• 50:04
  Speaker 8: out on the white Christmas they thought we're going to have,
• 50:07
  Speaker 8: and all that's probably gonna lead to a little bit
• 50:09
  Speaker 8: slower deer movement than we've had over the last couple
• 50:11
  Speaker 8: of weeks during this kind of arctic spell, so not
• 50:15
  Speaker 8: exactly what you want. But with the warmer temperatures, you're
• 50:17
  Speaker 8: probably going to see deer moving off of the grains
• 50:20
  Speaker 8: like corn or soybeans and moving more towards greener forage,
• 50:24
  Speaker 8: native brows, green food plots, winter wheat fields, that kind
• 50:28
  Speaker 8: of stuff. So super fast update, but that's what's coming
• 50:31
  Speaker 8: down the line.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: All right, good info. Now it's almost the off season,
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: and a great way to keep the fire burning for
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: deer in the off season is by reading. And I
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: don't know anyone who has read more books about white
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: tails than you. So today I want you to give
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: us your top five list of best books for white
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: tail hunters. Let's start with number five. What do you
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: have for us? Mark?
• 50:52
  Speaker 8: First off, I'd like to say that I plan on
• 50:54
  Speaker 8: using that bio line that I just saw below, Whitetail Enjoyer.
• 50:58
  Speaker 8: That's gonna be my new title.
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: Maybe not expert, but enjoyer pretty accurate.
• 51:04
  Speaker 8: Number one or because number five, in your case, will
• 51:06
  Speaker 8: be Mapping Trophy Bucks by Brad Herndon. If you're watching here,
• 51:10
  Speaker 8: it is This is a foundational text within the whitetail
• 51:14
  Speaker 8: world from like a tactical perspective. This is basically the first,
• 51:18
  Speaker 8: and I think kind of that most established resource on
• 51:23
  Speaker 8: understanding topography and terrain for deer hunting. So how hills
• 51:28
  Speaker 8: and ridges and saddles and points and inside corners of
• 51:32
  Speaker 8: fields and all that kind of stuff can actually lead
• 51:35
  Speaker 8: to deer moving in different kind of ways, and how
• 51:37
  Speaker 8: you can take advantage of that as a hunter.
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: And this uses maps.
• 51:40
  Speaker 8: It really teaches how to use maps and topography to
• 51:43
  Speaker 8: predict deer movements. So really kind of foundational how to
• 51:47
  Speaker 8: book in the whitetail world.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: It's got kind of a textbook look to it.
• 51:51
  Speaker 8: Yes, yes it does. There's lots of illustrations you can see,
• 51:55
  Speaker 8: like very helpful actual diagrams and stuff. So if you
• 52:00
  Speaker 8: trying to get better deer hunting, this is like a
• 52:01
  Speaker 8: must have book. It's hard to find though, I think
• 52:04
  Speaker 8: now is what I've heard.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: Okay, that looks like one. If you're not interested in
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: a whole bunch of text and reading, you could just
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: flip through and enjoy the visuals and learn stuff that way,
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: all right. Number four mark number four.
• 52:15
  Speaker 8: This is for those of you who do want to
• 52:17
  Speaker 8: do a lot of reading. And this is not tactical
• 52:20
  Speaker 8: or strategic or how to it all. This is a
• 52:22
  Speaker 8: book called a Hunter's Heart, Honest Essays on blood Sport.
• 52:27
  Speaker 8: This is a collection of essays edited and collected by
• 52:30
  Speaker 8: David Peterson. This is going to be getting to the
• 52:34
  Speaker 8: why we hunt, not just deer, but anything and how
• 52:38
  Speaker 8: we go about it. So there are just some amazing
• 52:41
  Speaker 8: short essays in this collection that talk about white tails
• 52:44
  Speaker 8: and a whole bunch of other stuff and really gets
• 52:46
  Speaker 8: kind of into that deeper philosophical side of things. One
• 52:50
  Speaker 8: of the best hunting essays of all time, and my opinion,
• 52:54
  Speaker 8: is in here. It's called The Heart of the Game
• 52:56
  Speaker 8: by Thomas mcguain. It's a legendary piece, highly highly recommend
• 53:01
  Speaker 8: for all whitetail hunters and hunters of all kinds.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: All right, now to the top three. What do you
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: have for us? Next?
• 53:10
  Speaker 8: Next is Whitetail Nation and this is by a guy
• 53:12
  Speaker 8: named Pete Bodo. This is an under the radar book.
• 53:15
  Speaker 8: I don't think a lot of people know about it.
• 53:17
  Speaker 8: It came out, I don't know, maybe fifteen twenty years ago,
• 53:20
  Speaker 8: and it's a really interesting story about this guy's kind
• 53:25
  Speaker 8: of exploration and journey as he went from kind of
• 53:28
  Speaker 8: being a standard everyday deer hunter to finally trying to
• 53:33
  Speaker 8: kill that first big buck.
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: Kind of the thing that you.
• 53:36
  Speaker 8: Read about over the whole course of your life is
• 53:38
  Speaker 8: someday getting that big trophy buck. Well, he decided to
• 53:42
  Speaker 8: document that journey as he went from kind of where
• 53:45
  Speaker 8: he was to going to that next level, and all
• 53:47
  Speaker 8: along the way travel across the country, was in hunting
• 53:50
  Speaker 8: in Pennsylvania, New York, Texas, Montana, and then through it
• 53:54
  Speaker 8: all really ends up doing a really interesting kind of
• 53:57
  Speaker 8: I don't know if it's an analysis, but he he
• 54:00
  Speaker 8: documents the culture of deer hunting. He documents the history
• 54:03
  Speaker 8: of deer hunting, and does it in a really compelling way.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: This is like a real writer.
• 54:08
  Speaker 8: He wrote for Gray's Sporting Journal and The New York
• 54:11
  Speaker 8: Times and all that. So it's a really well articulated,
• 54:13
  Speaker 8: interesting story that has that kind of narrative nonfiction set
• 54:18
  Speaker 8: of lessons you can learn throughout too. So really good one.
• 54:21
  Speaker 8: Not a lot of people know about this one, but
• 54:22
  Speaker 8: I highly recommend it.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: In a very pretty book mark, you seem like a
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: dust jacket guy, Do you always keep those on your books?
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I couldn't.
• 54:33
  Speaker 8: My wife removes them. I kind of feel like that's sacrilege.
• 54:35
  Speaker 8: It's there's a lot of time and energy that goes
• 54:38
  Speaker 8: into designing these book covers and packaging the number right,
• 54:42
  Speaker 8: So I would never take that off.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: I get rid of them right away. I feel like
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: I'm reading a book from the library if it has
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: the dust jest on it. Interesting, All right, Number two, Marcus,
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: what do you have?
• 54:53
  Speaker 8: Number two?
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: This is a tactics book.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: This is a how to.
• 54:56
  Speaker 8: This is my favorite how to book. It's called Whitetail Access,
• 55:00
  Speaker 8: and it's a funny story. The title and the subtitle,
• 55:03
  Speaker 8: which is how to Hunt top white Tail States Cheaply
• 55:06
  Speaker 8: and Effectively. It's actually not really that kind of book.
• 55:10
  Speaker 8: It's a story that I heard from the author that
• 55:13
  Speaker 8: was kind of like, the publishers want to try to
• 55:15
  Speaker 8: make this seem more like a very clear how to book,
• 55:18
  Speaker 8: and so they packaged it with this title that they
• 55:20
  Speaker 8: thought would get people to buy it. But really what
• 55:22
  Speaker 8: it is is a story. It's the story of Chris
• 55:25
  Speaker 8: Eberhart's season in which he lived out of his minivan
• 55:29
  Speaker 8: traveling across the country hunting deer di y on the cheap,
• 55:34
  Speaker 8: from Michigan to North Dakota, Missouri, Ohio, maybe somewhere else.
• 55:42
  Speaker 8: But the Eberharts, Chris Eberhart and John Eberhart, his dad,
• 55:46
  Speaker 8: are kind of, you know, og whitetail hunters. They've really
• 55:50
  Speaker 8: unfortunately Chris passed away, which is really sad, but his
• 55:53
  Speaker 8: dad is still one of the legends in the whitetail world.
• 55:56
  Speaker 8: That's taught me and thousands of others a lot about
• 55:58
  Speaker 8: how to effectively hunt white tails and heavily pressured states.
• 56:02
  Speaker 8: And so this story is all about that season. But
• 56:05
  Speaker 8: then throughout it he's got very detailed notes about how
• 56:09
  Speaker 8: he did what he did, his strategies, his perspectives, his plans.
• 56:14
  Speaker 8: There's diagrams and maps in here again too, so kind
• 56:16
  Speaker 8: of similar to the other book. You can actually see
• 56:18
  Speaker 8: where his stand setups were and follow along with all
• 56:21
  Speaker 8: the hunts and the tactics. So are really good how
• 56:25
  Speaker 8: to mixed with a story. So that's why it's probably
• 56:28
  Speaker 8: my favorite recommendation for people who want to learn but
• 56:30
  Speaker 8: also enjoy the story along the way.
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: All right, here's a recap so far. Number five was
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: mapping white tail Bucks. Number four was a Hunter's Heart.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: Number three, Whitetail Nation, number two, Whitetail Access. What is
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: number one?
• 56:44
  Speaker 8: It's kind of cliche. The number one book that all
• 56:47
  Speaker 8: whitetail hunters and every hunter in the world should read
• 56:50
  Speaker 8: is a Sand County Almanac by Aldo Leopold. Probably anyone
• 56:54
  Speaker 8: listening to me or media radio live knows this book,
• 56:57
  Speaker 8: but if not, highly recommend it.
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: It is, I think, kind.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: Of like the.
• 57:03
  Speaker 8: I don't know, like the equivalent of the Bible for
• 57:05
  Speaker 8: people who are into hunting and fish and wildlife and
• 57:09
  Speaker 8: conservation anything. It's like a foundational text. It's the thing
• 57:12
  Speaker 8: that kind of sums up how we can think about
• 57:16
  Speaker 8: ourselves as stewards, as wildlife managers. There's great essays in
• 57:20
  Speaker 8: here and thoughts on, you know, how to be a
• 57:24
  Speaker 8: hunter and connect with wildlife, wilderness, the importance of a
• 57:27
  Speaker 8: land ethic. You've heard it come up a thousand times
• 57:30
  Speaker 8: from Steve and Doug Dern and so many others, and
• 57:33
  Speaker 8: it's for good reason. The opening text here, the opening
• 57:36
  Speaker 8: line here is there are some who can live without
• 57:39
  Speaker 8: wild things and some who cannot. These essays are the
• 57:42
  Speaker 8: delights and dilemmas of one who cannot, And I think
• 57:45
  Speaker 8: that sums it up really well. If you care about wildlife,
• 57:48
  Speaker 8: wild things, this is a book that just has to
• 57:51
  Speaker 8: be on your bookshelf.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, good stuff, Mark, thank you for the list. I'm
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: going to pick up some of those this off season.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: I wrote them all down, and good luck on the
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: rest of your season there in Michigan. Thanks for joining us.
• 58:02
  Speaker 8: Thanks buddy, Chris, Yeah, Merry Christmas.
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: Tell family high right back at you all right. That
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: brings us to the end of the show. We have
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: some more Q and A to ramp this up. Here
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: are some questions listeners submitted last week. First one is
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: from Field of Dreams seven to three one. What types
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: of wine do y'all pair with wild game? I don't
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: have a great answer for this, but when I'm cooking
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: like a big meal for Thanksgiving or Christmas and it's
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: got courses in wild game, and my wife is really
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: trying to like put on the ritz, she will go
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: ask chat GPT. She'll tell it exactly what we're having
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: in what order, and what the meat is and where
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: it came from, and then that spits out some recommendations.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: So that's the best thing I can tell you do.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: You guys have any thoughts on wine and wild game,
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: red wind.
• 58:54
  Speaker 6: I'm not a big red wine or just not a
• 58:56
  Speaker 6: big wine guy in general.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: So I married a Whino. My wife bums wine, whether
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: pairs or not, and she's got me hooked on Malbex,
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: which is an Argentinian wine, real dark, bold, fruity flavors,
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: which pairs very well with red meat especially, but I'm
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: a big fan of the boxed wine.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: There you go, Phil, any input on wine and.
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: Meat, Yeah, I'm not a big I'm not a big
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: wine guy. I'm sorry.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: If you're interested in beer pairings, we have two articles
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: on the medeater dot com for you. The first one
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: is from chef Justin Townsend how to Pair Beer with
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: wild Game, and then the other one is from Kooby
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: Brown how to Pair Beer with Fish. We can help
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: you out on that front. Again. For wine, I think
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: chat gpt does a really nice job if you tell
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: it exactly what you got going on. Yeah, We're we're
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: not wine here, I guess. The next question is c J.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: Rope Key twenty one. What is the best wild game
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: Phil has eaten since working at Meat Eater.
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: Great question.
• 59:59
  Speaker 7: I think I've talked about this before, but the best
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 7: bite of wild game I've ever had was at the
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 7: Old Office probably five four years ago. Brody brought in
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 7: some elk tenderloin, and then Michael Hunter, who's the chef
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 7: at Antler in Toronto, Canada, who's been on the podcast
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 7: a couple of times and done some stuff with us,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 7: he just had a little like induction burner and just
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 7: like seemingly without even thinking about it, just made it
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 7: like a Huckleberry demiglaze and cooked this elk just perfectly,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 7: and it just like it felt like it melted in
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 7: my mouth. It was the best tasting me and I've
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 7: ever had mine.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: We did not have much of a kitchen at the ogo.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: Oh no, it was non existent.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Jeremiah Donahue says, if you could ask Santa for
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: one piece of outdoor gear, what would it be, Corey.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: Man, I've been on the hunt for a good waltint.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: I'd love a Montana canvas Walton for shooting for the
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: stars here. Hard to fit under the tree, it is, Yeah,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: well wrapped up maybe twelve by twelve Walton.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: Okay, with with or without a floor? Without without a yeah, Okay,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: they're always without a floor from Montana.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: You can get them with floors yep, all right, with frame.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: Maybe a stove too, since we're at.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 6: It, Okay, yeah, tell Santa to look at Facebook marketplace. Yeah,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 6: I've seen a lot of good sure, yep, okay. I
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 6: was so close to pulling the trigger, but I didn't.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: I'll see Santa this weekend.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: He's listening, Max. What are you asking Santa for?
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 6: Ooh, I got two ideas. More decoys yep, never have enough.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 6: Or there's this duck plucker out there called the fall plucker.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, My thumbs are pretty strong, but they get
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 6: tired a little bit.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: So how many ducks do you think you have to
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: kill a year to justify having one of those? They're
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: pretty spendy. Put a number on it, like fifty ducks
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: a year, two hundred ducks a year.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 6: I don't know, I feel like you know, or like
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 6: for like guides and outfitters.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: It'd be a no brain.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah, for like a personal if you got a hunt
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  Speaker 6: with a lot of friends, I would probably say, like
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  Speaker 6: a couple of hundred, Oh wow, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Do they have any other purpose?
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  Speaker 5: Like?
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  Speaker 1: Could could they function with a pheasant? No? No, I
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  Speaker 1: mean not in my experience.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know, but yeah, those are two things
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  Speaker 6: that I would love. Is more decoys or duc Bucker. So, Santa,
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  Speaker 6: if you're listening.
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  Speaker 1: I'm good on gear, Santa. I just want permissions.
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  Speaker 2: Just give me land.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's another good.
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  Speaker 1: It's a lot of land, Santa. That's that's all I need.
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  Speaker 2: That's really hard to put under the tree.
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  Speaker 1: Deeds are pretty small call. Next question is from Will Sanchez.
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  Speaker 1: He says favorite state for fossil slash rock hunting. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: there are great rocks and fossils across the whole continent,
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  Speaker 1: but the main thing is being legal. Will, So, b
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  Speaker 1: LM has the loosest restrictions when it comes to where
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  Speaker 1: you can collect, what you can collect. How you collect
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  Speaker 1: this fall is you know, picking up a shovel and
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  Speaker 1: digging a hole. So any state that has a lot
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  Speaker 1: of BLM land, which is you know, mostly in the West, Idaho, Utah, Nevada, Wyoming,
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  Speaker 1: those are my favorite states for fossil and rock hunting,
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  Speaker 1: just because you can do it legally. The next one
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  Speaker 1: is from Doug Chiasen. Are there any hunting video games?
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  Speaker 1: Phil likes?
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  Speaker 7: The short answer is no, and that's not because I
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 7: don't think they exist. I just haven't really tried a
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  Speaker 7: whole lot. I've tried the Hunter Call of the Wild,
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  Speaker 7: which I think is probably the biggest one. Maybe people
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  Speaker 7: might yell at me for that, but they've been making
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  Speaker 7: putting out expansion packs for that game for years now.
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  Speaker 7: And I played it for like about an hour and
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  Speaker 7: a half a year or two ago, and I just
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  Speaker 7: couldn't get into it. Seemed like there are a lot
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  Speaker 7: of systems that I just needed to get familiar with,
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  Speaker 7: so it was kind of like a steep a steep
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  Speaker 7: learning curve. But there is a game coming out called
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  Speaker 7: Cast and Chill, which came out on Steam, which is
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  Speaker 7: like a PC marketplace, a few months ago, but it's
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  Speaker 7: as of the it's coming out on the Nintendo Switch
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  Speaker 7: to tomorrow, and I put it on just a couple
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  Speaker 7: of days ago, and it looks fun. It just seems
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  Speaker 7: like a very laid back, kind of gorgeous looking like
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  Speaker 7: pixel art fishing game, but it looks pretty dense like
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  Speaker 7: you can go to it. There's a whole ton of
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  Speaker 7: fish did different bait to do, different seasons and stuff.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm excited to try to Maybe I'll stream it,
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  Speaker 4: maybe I'll stream it.
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  Speaker 1: He's going to play it over Christmas break.
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  Speaker 4: I will.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, someone in a future live chat needs to ask
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  Speaker 1: Phil for his review so we can all find out together.
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  Speaker 7: And let me know if there are any hunting games
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  Speaker 7: that I should I should get into. I don't want
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  Speaker 7: anything too realistic, like if it's kind of like an
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  Speaker 7: Arcadi element to it, like that's more fun than than
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 7: hardcore realism to me.
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  Speaker 1: Another video game question for Phil, this is from fro Alex.
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  Speaker 1: Ask Phil if he ever played RuneScape back in the
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  Speaker 1: day or he still plays.
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  Speaker 4: I did play RuneScape.
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  Speaker 7: Speaking of MMOs that we talked about with Destiny, this
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 7: was a massive multiplayer online so it's like a big
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  Speaker 7: you know, you get on a server and there's thousands
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  Speaker 7: of people that are all in the same playing in
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  Speaker 7: the same area, and you can you know, squad up
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  Speaker 7: and take on dungeons and fight, you know, go on
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  Speaker 7: quests and stuff. RuneScape was on was one of the ogs.
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  Speaker 7: I played it a little bit. That was my brother
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  Speaker 7: was way more into it than me. My big MMO
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  Speaker 7: was It's called Ragnarok Online, which was a two D
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 7: pixel art one. But then I also played a World
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  Speaker 7: of Warcraft, a lot back.
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  Speaker 4: I was.
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  Speaker 7: I was playing Wow from the ground floor like two
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  Speaker 7: thousand and four, I right right when it launched.
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  Speaker 1: Do people still play RuneScape?
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's got a very active community.
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  Speaker 7: I but again, that's like a blind spot form we
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  Speaker 7: be because once you have kids in a job, MMOs
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  Speaker 7: aren't the healthiest thing for you or your family, which
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 7: is why I stopped playing Destiny.
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  Speaker 1: Last question today is from Casey Jacobsen twenty three. What's
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  Speaker 1: your plan when out of state deer hunting in previously
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  Speaker 1: unexplored areas. I'll answer that on behalf of deer, and
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  Speaker 1: then Max is going to answer about waterfowl and Corey
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  Speaker 1: for elk. My plan went hunting in an unexplored place
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: for deer. The first thing I'll look for is food,
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  Speaker 1: and that doesn't matter if I'm hunting in Idaho in
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: October or Illinois in December, which is you know my
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  Speaker 1: spectrum this year. That was my first hunt, my last hunt.
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  Speaker 1: That's the easiest thing I can find on on X,
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  Speaker 1: and then when I'm there in person, I can work
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  Speaker 1: my way backwards. If this is where the deer are feeding,
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  Speaker 1: it's very easy to you know, put together where they're
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  Speaker 1: probably betting at and traveling to get from point A
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  Speaker 1: to point B. So look look for food for me
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  Speaker 1: A lot of times that is probably big agriculture. I
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  Speaker 1: spend most of my time hunting between the rocky mountains
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  Speaker 1: and the Mississippi River, so I care about where the
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: alf alfa is, where the cornfields are, what point in
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  Speaker 1: the harvest it is, and if there's no egg around,
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  Speaker 1: what acorn trees there might be. On X does a
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  Speaker 1: great job of allowing you to sort by the crop
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  Speaker 1: coverage that you can see if was was this field
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  Speaker 1: last year? Corn? Was it alfalfa? Was it hey? Was
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: it sorghum? So so starting there thinking about what deer
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  Speaker 1: would like in that area, that that'll give you a
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  Speaker 1: big piece of the puzzle. Ma's answer for waterfowl, well.
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  Speaker 6: I'm gonna kind of go the opposite of you. My
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  Speaker 6: first thing is water, not only the lakes, river streams,
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  Speaker 6: but I have a big obsession with keeping up with
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 6: current weather and rain forecast. So there's different areas that
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 6: get a bunch of rain and two months later that
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  Speaker 6: rain is still gonna almost be there.
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  Speaker 1: As in forms of.
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  Speaker 6: Flooded fields, flooded agriculture, you name it. So there was
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  Speaker 6: this spot that I went up to Saskatchewan this last
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  Speaker 6: September where they got eight inches of the rain a
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 6: month ago before. I hunted and I went there, put
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 6: a pin on the map and I went there and
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  Speaker 6: there was just so many dogs.
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  Speaker 1: And you can diy waterfall in Saskatchewan. Yeah, soun's a bitches.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: Need to let deer hunters do. Make you have a
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: guide or a buddy or whatever. Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: So I went up there and hunted flooded fields for
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  Speaker 6: three days and it was just incredible.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, look for water.
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  Speaker 6: And then another big thing too, is like if I
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  Speaker 6: if I'm going to a general area, I will go
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  Speaker 6: and make a list of landowners names and phone numbers
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  Speaker 6: in case there's ducks there there, in case there's waterfall there,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 6: feeding in their fields or just using their water, because
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 6: it's going to be a lot easier to just already
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  Speaker 6: have their names and phone numbers already on a list
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  Speaker 6: then spending the time looking it up, Oh there's their
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  Speaker 6: house kind of thing. So I do all that stuff
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  Speaker 6: and ahead of time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think to piggyback off that. Going back to deer,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's really important to have a plan. A. B. C.
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  Speaker 1: D E f G. A lot of times I go
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  Speaker 1: in thinking that it's going to happen for me at
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: plan A or B, and it ends up being like
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  Speaker 1: my fifth or sixth option where I actually, you know,
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: find the deer that I that I want. I want
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  Speaker 1: to hunt all right, Corey previously unexplored areas. When it
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: comes to elk, what are you looking for?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, for elk, I mean time, like length, the time
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  Speaker 2: of your hunt is everything. So if you can add
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  Speaker 2: any time to actually physically scouting. E scouting is great,
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  Speaker 2: but you're never going to know exactly what the country's like,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: how long it takes you to get to a spot
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  Speaker 2: unless you're physically on the ground. So if you can
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: add a couple of days, whether it's like opening day
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: or you got a you know, weekend, even that you're
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: just hunting a new area, if you can get out
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: there in the summer late fall or early fall late
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: summer and get boots on the ground and physically see
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: the country, you're going to just have a massive leg
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: up when you're when you discover elk in that part
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  Speaker 2: of the world, and elk are going to be everywhere
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  Speaker 2: right like they need the same things deer need and ducks.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: But then they're going to be everywhere on top like
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: they're everywhere and they're nowhere at the same time. So
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  Speaker 2: you can either stick to one spot and hopefully they'll
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: move in, or keep roaming around. But adding just a
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: day if you can, or a couple of days to
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: your you know, days that you're committed to hunting is massive,
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  Speaker 2: just to see the country, get a feel for it,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: and then if it, you know, doesn't work out in
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: your mind as to how good it's going to be,
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  Speaker 2: then you can go to Plan B and move on
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: to the next spot.
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  Speaker 1: So good advice.
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  Speaker 2: Add some time, all right.
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  Speaker 1: That brings us to the end of this episode. We
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: have another pre recorded episode of Radio Live next week,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: but then it's back to our regularly scheduled programming after that.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for listening, Happy holidays, Merry Christmas. We'll see
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  Speaker 1: you in twenty twenty six. By now,