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FridAI - DeSkilled by AI · Business Brain – The Entrepreneurs’ Podcast

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  Dave Hamilton: Business Brain, episode 747 for Casual Friday I, April 24th, Scream Day, 2026.
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  Dave Hamilton: Scream Day. It's pretty good. Yeah.
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  Shannon Jean: Sometimes that helps.
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  Dave Hamilton: A lot of metal singers have made a living on screaming.
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  Shannon Jean: Dude. Yeah.
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  Dave Hamilton: Yeah.
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  Shannon Jean: There was a guy in Nashville that was doing Axl Rose last weekend. Oh my gosh. He's so good.
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  Dave Hamilton: That's great. Yeah.
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  Shannon Jean: I miss Chester from Linkin Park, one of the best screamers.
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  Dave Hamilton: Yeah, for sure. All right.
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  Dave Hamilton: Welcome to Business Brain, folks. The show where we take a few ideas,
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  Dave Hamilton: more about those in a little bit for now here in durham new hampshire dave hamilton.
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  Shannon Jean: Here in Northern California, Shannon Jean, happy Friday, I.
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  Dave Hamilton: Happy Friday, I. I listened to a podcast that interviewed 75 different programmers
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  Dave Hamilton: all over the country about their feelings about AI.
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  Dave Hamilton: Because coders, coding is something the AIs have, especially just in the last
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  Dave Hamilton: few months, gotten really, really good at.
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  Dave Hamilton: Which doesn't surprise me because the people writing all these AI engines are
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  Dave Hamilton: programming them and they want to use the AI to do their job so that they can do it faster.
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  Dave Hamilton: So it's no great surprise that this is a thing that is getting the initial treatment.
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  Dave Hamilton: And it was an interesting thing. By and large, most programmers were totally
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  Dave Hamilton: on board with it because they were like, this is great.
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  Dave Hamilton: It makes my job more fun. I still need to think like an engineer,
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  Dave Hamilton: but I don't have to do the grunt work of coding.
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  Dave Hamilton: And a lot of them were like, what I love is instead of coding it up one way
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  Dave Hamilton: and then realizing, oh, there would have been a better way, but I'm not going to go backwards now.
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  Dave Hamilton: They can instead say, all right, hey, agent, go spawn 10 of you.
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  Dave Hamilton: Each of you coded up, you know, a different way. And then let me decide what
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  Dave Hamilton: the best implementation is.
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  Dave Hamilton: Right. So it makes their jobs a whole lot more interesting and fun.
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  Dave Hamilton: And I can absolutely attest to this.
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  Dave Hamilton: However, there were some that even if they weren't against it,
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  Dave Hamilton: were acknowledging the fact that they're like, I am becoming de-skilled as a
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  Dave Hamilton: programmer by nature of the AI writing all my code for me.
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  Dave Hamilton: Right. Makes sense. There were some people that were especially like junior
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  Dave Hamilton: programmers, people that were relatively new to the field. I don't mean to say
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  Dave Hamilton: that they're not skilled.
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  Dave Hamilton: They definitely are better, more skilled than me, without question.
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  Dave Hamilton: But, you know, people that are relatively new to this only have a year or two,
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  Dave Hamilton: you know, under their belt or whatever, saying, yeah, I can already see my skills
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  Dave Hamilton: like I'm losing my edge because I'm not actually doing the programming.
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  Dave Hamilton: Sure. If I were to have to do programming, I might not be as quick as I once was.
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  Dave Hamilton: And I was listening to this and chuckling because I was like, ah, here's the thing.
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  Dave Hamilton: I have some experience with this de-skilling as a programmer because this has
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  Dave Hamilton: happened to me over the last 20 years. I used to code all the time.
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  Dave Hamilton: Like it was when we started like deals on the web, you know,
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  Dave Hamilton: I wrote that whole system from scratch. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Dave Hamilton: The database, everything. Yeah, there were no frameworks.
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  Dave Hamilton: I literally wrote it from like blank page, right? And I did the same for Mac
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  Dave Hamilton: Observer and I did all kinds of other things.
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  Dave Hamilton: It was how you started a business. It's like back then it was like,
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  Dave Hamilton: well, you need somebody that can like whip up the back end. It's, it's not like it is now.
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  Dave Hamilton: Um, although there's still, you know, reasons to, to create your own back ends
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  Dave Hamilton: and do those things. But, um, I just haven't, I got out of that.
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  Dave Hamilton: I started hiring other people to do it or whatever.
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  Dave Hamilton: And so I, I have become de-skilled as a programmer, not by AI,
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  Dave Hamilton: but not because of AI, but because of me, I've just gotten out of it.
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  Shannon Jean: Because of opportunity.
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  Dave Hamilton: Because of opportunity. The way I look at it. Yes.
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  Shannon Jean: Because you can't, right?
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  Dave Hamilton: This isn't a bad thing. I'm just acknowledging it. But-
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  Dave Hamilton: What's what exists today, where you have these AI agents that if you under and
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  Dave Hamilton: I and it's still it's not to the point, I don't think, where if you don't have
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  Dave Hamilton: programming acumen, engineering acumen,
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  Dave Hamilton: I don't think you can really be as effective with these tools as someone with
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  Dave Hamilton: that, you know, experience can be. And that will change.
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  Dave Hamilton: I don't by any stretch mean to say that this is a static thing.
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  Dave Hamilton: But right now, understanding how it all works is still valuable.
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  Dave Hamilton: And I do understand how it all works.
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  Dave Hamilton: And I feel like I am moving much faster than most people who would call themselves
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  Dave Hamilton: programmers are moving because I have no hangups about becoming de-skilled by this thing.
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  Dave Hamilton: I've already de-skilled myself to whatever degree that is. And it's really not
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  Dave Hamilton: as much as people think. Like, could I still sit down and write code from scratch?
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  Dave Hamilton: Yes. Do I want to or am I going to?
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  Dave Hamilton: No freaking way. But it's not going to happen. There's no need.
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  Dave Hamilton: And that's the thing. is like I had no hesitation getting into this because
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  Dave Hamilton: it wasn't taking my job away.
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  Dave Hamilton: It was giving me the opportunity to do this thing and iterate so much faster than I could if I hired.
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  Dave Hamilton: I mean, it doesn't matter how many people I hired. I would have to like manage people.
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  Dave Hamilton: And it's like, no, no, I want to just think and tell the agent and then have it go do it.
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  Dave Hamilton: And not have it get mad at me when I tell it to, you know, revise it 10 different times.
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  Dave Hamilton: Yeah, exactly. So I think this de-skilling, yes, it will happen.
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  Dave Hamilton: You won't. I equate it to kind of if I take two weeks off from playing the drums,
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  Dave Hamilton: and then I sit down and go play a gig.
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  Dave Hamilton: No one in the audience will be able to tell that I haven't played the drums in two weeks.
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  Dave Hamilton: In fact, I would argue that nobody in the room will be able to tell other than
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  Dave Hamilton: one person. And that's me.
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  Dave Hamilton: I know that like my hands, like these finer motor control things,
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  Dave Hamilton: just, you know, my fingers literally lose the ability to do it as well as they
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  Dave Hamilton: could if I was playing every day.
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  Dave Hamilton: And it's the same kind of thing with the programming. It's like,
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  Dave Hamilton: yeah, yeah, you become a little less sharp.
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  Dave Hamilton: But the reality is if you had to get back into – if all the AIs got turned off
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  Dave Hamilton: or you were whatever, you'd be like, okay, give it a day or two.
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  Dave Hamilton: You're back up to speed. You're going to be fine. Sure.
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah, and I think that the way you're talking about embracing that change is if you think about –
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  Shannon Jean: There's two ways to look at it. One is, oh, wow, I'm going to be made obsolete.
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  Shannon Jean: Or, oh, wow, I'm going to be able to do all this other stuff now that I didn't have time for.
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  Shannon Jean: Or you didn't have the opportunity to move into some other area because you're grinding out the code.
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  Shannon Jean: And those folks that embrace the latter, I think are going to do really well.
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  Shannon Jean: Because if you try to, in my layman's opinion, because I don't know anything
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  Shannon Jean: about programming, everything i try to build vibe code and everything gets me about 83 percent
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  Dave Hamilton: There exactly and then.
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  Shannon Jean: I'm like wait that doesn't work or how do i uh they're like oh you just throw
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  Shannon Jean: it up on github and do this that and the other i was like what i don't know anything
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  Dave Hamilton: About that and that's it right that's the stuff i understand
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  Dave Hamilton: just fine right and i can look at the logic
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  Dave Hamilton: of the thing and it tells me here's how
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  Dave Hamilton: I'm going to go about this and I'll be like well that's
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  Dave Hamilton: that's great but either you misunderstood me or you're skipping something so
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  Dave Hamilton: let me fix that for you and of course like any other thing you do with AI when
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  Dave Hamilton: you do that it comes back and it's like oh of course you're right I completely
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  Dave Hamilton: overlooked that right but but that's the thing,
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  Dave Hamilton: And I tell people this with troubleshooting, too.
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  Dave Hamilton: AI is great for troubleshooting your dishwasher, your whatever, your computer.
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  Dave Hamilton: If you have a working knowledge of the subject matter, if you don't, it can lead you astray.
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  Dave Hamilton: And the thing is, you don't know that you've been led astray because how could you?
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  Dave Hamilton: And that's pretty good. We still are right now. And that's true with the vibe
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  Dave Hamilton: coding and, you know, or agentic assisted coding, whatever you want to call
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  Dave Hamilton: it. You know, that's true with that, too.
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  Dave Hamilton: It's having a working knowledge of it is still necessary for all but the most
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  Dave Hamilton: basic stuff, you know. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Shannon Jean: Especially implementing it in your business.
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  Dave Hamilton: Oh, yeah.
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  Shannon Jean: You know, it's that like Gilman amnesia that we've talked, that term that I introduced you to.
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  Shannon Jean: You know when it's wrong because you know that business, right?
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah. But then when you ask it something outside your business,
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  Shannon Jean: you just, oh, it's AI. It's going to be right. or whatever because you don't know that.
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  Shannon Jean: So those two things, you have to reconcile them like, you know what,
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  Shannon Jean: it's not right all the time.
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  Shannon Jean: And how do you make sure? And you've got to do your own due diligence and research
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  Shannon Jean: and try to help and make sure it's doing the right thing.
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  Dave Hamilton: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Shannon Jean: That's cool. I like that term de-skilled.
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  Dave Hamilton: Oh, same.
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  Shannon Jean: It's almost like maybe.
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  Dave Hamilton: It's re-skilled though. Like it just opens you up to do something different.
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  Dave Hamilton: It's re-skilled. That's right. I have always, maybe not always,
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  Dave Hamilton: but certainly currently and at
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  Dave Hamilton: most points in my life, have been eager to learn. I am a ravenous learner.
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  Dave Hamilton: Me too. I am not a traditional learner. I learn by doing and by making mistakes
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  Dave Hamilton: and crashing into things.
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  Dave Hamilton: But I do learn, and I love learning. I often find myself saying...
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  Dave Hamilton: I don't need to have been right. I want to be able to be right in the future.
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  Dave Hamilton: And so if I make a mistake, that's fine. I wasn't right then.
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  Dave Hamilton: Will I be right the next time I do this? Yes. Great. Moving on. Like, check the box.
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  Dave Hamilton: And so I love these things open up the opportunity for me to learn new stuff, which is great. Yeah.
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  Shannon Jean: The challenge is most people...
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  Shannon Jean: Don't like change and change is the only constant in our life.
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  Dave Hamilton: So I don't like change either. Yeah. I mean, I've, I love change.
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  Dave Hamilton: Let me, let me make this clear.
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  Dave Hamilton: I don't like change though. Like I am a human being. I am naturally averse to change.
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  Dave Hamilton: So I definitely have change resistance like everybody else.
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  Dave Hamilton: Yeah. I've just learned that I love change.
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  Dave Hamilton: Doesn't mean that I like it though. Yeah.
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah. That's good. Yeah. It's the next great thing. That's cool.
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  Dave Hamilton: That's good.
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  Shannon Jean: I love it.
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  Dave Hamilton: All right, Shannon. Hey, did you see that Claude Design came out this week, man?
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  Shannon Jean: I did see that, and I wanted to chat about it. I don't know a lot about it,
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  Shannon Jean: but I am going to know more about it as I start to use it.
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  Shannon Jean: So basically, you can collaborate with other people as you build designs.
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  Shannon Jean: You can import your design language or your current website,
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  Shannon Jean: all your color, your color palette, everything your brand uses,
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  Shannon Jean: marketing material, whatever.
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  Shannon Jean: And then Claude will help you modify, design new things.
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  Shannon Jean: It's connected, I guess, deeply with Canva. There's connectors in there that,
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  Shannon Jean: so if you design some things and you want to tweak a little more or subtly,
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  Shannon Jean: you can bring them over into Canva, which is great.
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  Shannon Jean: Prototypes, they talk about, you can turn up mock, and you don't have to import your stuff.
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  Shannon Jean: You can do it all just with text prompts if you want. Say, hey,
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  Shannon Jean: I want to build this website. I need to do this.
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  Dave Hamilton: You can integrate and also have it build like PowerPoints and all that stuff, right?
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah, yeah. Pitch decks are talking about marketing material, everything.
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  Shannon Jean: So I think it's pretty cool. And what I like about it is that it keeps your
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  Shannon Jean: brand language, if you will, so you can build out stuff.
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  Shannon Jean: And supposedly, you're supposed to be able to refine it with really narrow controls so you can tweak...
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  Shannon Jean: Spacing, color, layout. And that's what always gets me when I'm trying to make this stuff.
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  Shannon Jean: And I'm like, well, I just want to nudge that over this many pixels or change the way this works.
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  Shannon Jean: And apparently this solves for that problem. So it'll be interesting.
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  Shannon Jean: And then once you create the design, you could export it to like Canva or as
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  Shannon Jean: a PDF or standalone HTML files, kind of like we did with the entrepreneurial appetite.
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  Dave Hamilton: Yeah, make sure to check that out. Businessbrain.show slash quiz.
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah, go take it. and then send us a screenshot.
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  Dave Hamilton: This is interesting. I have no doubt. I'm going to play with it too.
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  Dave Hamilton: I have no doubt that it will work well, but I will say, I fed last week,
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  Dave Hamilton: I wanted to create an image for our Mac Geek Gab podcast, right?
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  Dave Hamilton: And I've been using Claude to help
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  Dave Hamilton: me write the show notes and the meta description and come up with titles.
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  Dave Hamilton: And I do that by feeding it all the chapter stuff.
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  Dave Hamilton: Sometimes I'll feed it the transcript, But I usually don't even have to do that
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  Dave Hamilton: because we have pretty well fleshed out chapters and stuff in the in the agenda.
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  Dave Hamilton: So that's usually enough for it to build all that stuff.
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  Dave Hamilton: And it had and it was like good shape. And I thought, you know what?
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  Dave Hamilton: Instead of going to Nano Banana, Google's image generation engine,
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  Dave Hamilton: I'll just let Claude build me an image.
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  Dave Hamilton: So I said to Claude, all right, build me this.
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  Dave Hamilton: I have a little prompt that I use, and it's like, build me a wide aspect ratio image.
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  Dave Hamilton: Don't put any words in it. Make it look like my podcast, yada, yada.
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  Dave Hamilton: And so I sent Claude off to the races.
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  Dave Hamilton: And it takes a little bit, so I went and did something else.
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  Dave Hamilton: And I came back, and I thought, it's still going.
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  Dave Hamilton: Wow, okay. And then I, because it was, all that was there was like a wireframe
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  Dave Hamilton: and some stick figures with like typewriter text on it. I've seen this, dude.
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah. I've seen this, I've experienced this.
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  Dave Hamilton: Wait a minute, it thinks it's finished? Oh no, sweetie.
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  Dave Hamilton: And I took that literally the same prompt and pasted it into Nano Banana.
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  Dave Hamilton: And it built me a fully fleshed out image that was like MacGeekEB1137,
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  Dave Hamilton: you can go see it. And it was just comically terrible at building images that
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  Dave Hamilton: I'm eager to see what it does with this.
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  Dave Hamilton: But again, I have no doubt that this will work. Yeah.
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah. And I think this is a little different. More it's layout and this kind of thing.
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  Shannon Jean: I think the – what's that company? Figma that Dolby almost bought.
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  Shannon Jean: Their stock like went in the toilet after this came out.
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  Shannon Jean: I think it's a lot of layout and different things. But I had that experience.
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  Shannon Jean: I actually asked Claude to create a line drawing type image.
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  Dave Hamilton: Yeah.
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  Shannon Jean: And I came back, and it was literally stick figures. I said,
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  Shannon Jean: wait a minute. That's not what I wanted.
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  Shannon Jean: But, yeah, they all have their pluses and minuses. That's for sure. Yeah.
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  Dave Hamilton: I had an experience with Claude, though. I...
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  Dave Hamilton: We talked in the last episode that sales is something I hire somebody else to do.
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  Shannon Jean: Oh, yeah.
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  Dave Hamilton: Right. And I've made a career of this, so all good, except occasionally I wind
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  Dave Hamilton: up the point person on a particular sale.
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  Dave Hamilton: And I was, last week, I actually had two sales that I was working on.
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  Dave Hamilton: Okay. And it was like, okay.
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  Dave Hamilton: And somebody had emailed me on Wednesday, like, okay, great. Here's what I want.
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  Dave Hamilton: Yada, yada, yada. I, you know, all these ads and all these podcasts,
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  Dave Hamilton: $38,000 order, which is a size of, you know, it's a decent amount of money.
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  Dave Hamilton: And all day Thursday, I successfully ignored it, convincing myself that I had
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  Dave Hamilton: other more important things to do.
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  Dave Hamilton: And finally on Friday, I'm like, I got to give this person their proposal.
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  Dave Hamilton: Like basically all I need to do is like take everything that they gave me and
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  Dave Hamilton: repackage it into the thing, assign the right shows, do all the things.
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  Dave Hamilton: But it's going to be a lot of shows. It was 92 different spots on different
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  Dave Hamilton: podcasts. It was a lot of grunt work.
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  Dave Hamilton: And I'm like, I just need to send this to them, and they'll sign it,
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  Dave Hamilton: and then we'll get $38,000. Like, that's pretty good. You know, okay, fine.
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  Dave Hamilton: I don't want to do it. And I was like, you know what? Claude Cowork.
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  Shannon Jean: That never happens to me, Dave.
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  Dave Hamilton: So I pointed Claude Cowork at my folder for that particular sponsor.
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  Dave Hamilton: Okay. And I said, all right.
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  Dave Hamilton: Here's the folder that has the ways we've like the different ways we've communicated
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  Dave Hamilton: with them, basically spreadsheets, you know,
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  Dave Hamilton: make a new spreadsheet proposal, but based on the new stuff and the new stuff
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  Dave Hamilton: is in this email thread that copy paste.
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  Dave Hamilton: Here it is. That's the, that's it. I don't like, I just want you to go and do
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  Dave Hamilton: this. You have all the information.
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  Dave Hamilton: It's just grunt work, man.
• 20:24
  Dave Hamilton: And, and I said, but you need to, Like this company has three different brands
• 20:28
  Dave Hamilton: internally and you need to assign shows to the different brands.
• 20:31
  Dave Hamilton: And like, that's kind of up to
• 20:33
  Dave Hamilton: us. And I don't like it's, it's arbitrary almost, but not quite, you know?
• 20:38
  Dave Hamilton: And I'm like, so do your best. And it was like, got you, you know?
• 20:42
  Dave Hamilton: And then, I don't know, 15, 20 minutes later, whatever it was,
• 20:45
  Dave Hamilton: it was like, okay, ding, ding, you know, I'm done.
• 20:48
  Dave Hamilton: And I go and I look and it gives me, it's like, here's the spreadsheet.
• 20:52
  Dave Hamilton: I saved it in your folder because that's what Claude Cowork does, you know?
• 20:56
  Dave Hamilton: And it's like, here's what I did. And here's, for this brand,
• 21:00
  Dave Hamilton: I put these shows on because X, Y, and Z. And for this brand,
• 21:04
  Dave Hamilton: I put these shows for X, Y, and Z.
• 21:06
  Dave Hamilton: And I'm like, oh my God, there's my email to the person, right?
• 21:08
  Dave Hamilton: And so I like copy that and put that in.
• 21:11
  Dave Hamilton: For this brand, I put, I'm like, yeah, okay.
• 21:14
  Dave Hamilton: I look at the spreadsheet and it's like, this is perfect. actually it
• 21:17
  Dave Hamilton: had screwed up one thing i had in
• 21:20
  Dave Hamilton: the email trail i had given the client um
• 21:23
  Dave Hamilton: like available open inventory on
• 21:26
  Dave Hamilton: the shows but by the time they had gotten back
• 21:29
  Dave Hamilton: to me some of that inventory was in the past
• 21:32
  Dave Hamilton: now and we could not sell ads on it like it
• 21:35
  Dave Hamilton: had expired or whatever and claude didn't
• 21:38
  Dave Hamilton: care about that it put that on there and i was like oh you got to go back and
• 21:41
  Dave Hamilton: fix this here's today's date here's the
• 21:44
  Dave Hamilton: first date that like if they sign it in time like
• 21:47
  Dave Hamilton: let's give ourselves a buffer here you know all those things and it was like
• 21:50
  Dave Hamilton: oh sure no problem you want me to update the existing spreadsheet i said yeah
• 21:53
  Dave Hamilton: go ahead oh yeah and it did it did it and it was like okay great and and sure
• 21:58
  Dave Hamilton: enough like we're moving forward at 38k thanks i love it i was like wait do
• 22:02
  Dave Hamilton: i need to give claude co-work a freaking sales commission on this like it it's.
• 22:06
  Shannon Jean: It is it is truly incredible what you're able to do with it. It's amazing.
• 22:12
  Shannon Jean: And it's, I rarely use ChatGPT anymore, and I'm always, you know,
• 22:19
  Shannon Jean: a quick question now and then, but I'm going to shut down my team account because
• 22:23
  Shannon Jean: we moved over, everybody over to Claude. Yeah.
• 22:25
  Dave Hamilton: I canceled my ChatGPT account or my paid account. Like, I still have access to it, obviously.
• 22:31
  Dave Hamilton: Sure, sure. I still have perplexity for obvious reasons because we got it for
• 22:35
  Dave Hamilton: free for the thing until whatever September...
• 22:38
  Dave Hamilton: And I do still pay Google 20 bucks a month to have access to Nano Banana Pro.
• 22:44
  Dave Hamilton: Well, because I generate a lot of images for the podcast with it,
• 22:47
  Dave Hamilton: and it's just so far beyond anything else to do.
• 22:51
  Shannon Jean: Just think of the alternative if you were having to pay somebody to create those images every time.
• 22:55
  Dave Hamilton: You know, yes, but it's not even, like with the images, it's not even paying,
• 23:00
  Dave Hamilton: because I could get better images if I had a human do it.
• 23:03
  Dave Hamilton: But the problem is I'm sitting here, I finished recording, and for the workflow
• 23:10
  Dave Hamilton: that I have, I need an image in about three minutes.
• 23:15
  Dave Hamilton: Yeah, exactly. And I don't have someone that just waits at my beck and call.
• 23:20
  Shannon Jean: It would take you a day or more to get it done.
• 23:23
  Dave Hamilton: And then if I got to iterate and go back and forth. It's like a week.
• 23:27
  Dave Hamilton: Yeah, no, no. No, no. It just doesn't work for me. I would get better artwork.
• 23:32
  Dave Hamilton: Sure. Definitely. You know, I would get better artwork if I spent more time
• 23:36
  Dave Hamilton: with the AI, but I don't have that time.
• 23:39
  Shannon Jean: Yeah, good enough.
• 23:40
  Dave Hamilton: Good enough, man. Yeah, exactly.
• 23:41
  Shannon Jean: We're going to ship it.
• 23:42
  Dave Hamilton: Ship it. That's awesome. Yeah, let's go. Yeah.
• 23:45
  Shannon Jean: If you have experience, if you've played around with design with Claude, let us know.
• 23:50
  Shannon Jean: Feedback at businessbrain.show. We'd love to hear from you. We can feature you on the show.
• 23:54
  Shannon Jean: Let us know what you're doing, what you're building. and go take the entrepreneurial
• 23:57
  Shannon Jean: appetite quiz at businessbrain.show slash quiz and share the results with us.
• 24:03
  Shannon Jean: Yeah. We'll see where you're at.
• 24:04
  Dave Hamilton: Entrepreneurial appetite. Businessbrain.show slash quiz. Thanks for hanging out, everybody.
• 24:12
  Dave Hamilton: Keep living that charmed life. Have a great weekend. See you next week.
• 24:16
  Shannon Jean: See you.