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Taylor Felt on Move a Little, Finding Her Voice & Her Next EP | Delulu with Ryan Lu #301 · Delulu with Ryan Lu

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What do you think? What's the most delusional thing
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about? You.
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Oh, I think my mind. T Same.
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It's very delulu. Even when it was delulu, they
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still saw it as true true. And now it's true.
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Lulu girl, look at you now. Hello move Lulus, and welcome
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back to delulu with Ryan Liu and today's guesty is a powerhouse
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vocalist, an incredible singer-songwriter and actually
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like a really great friend of mine.
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I'm so grateful for you. I love you so much.
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Besties, please welcome the Taylor felt to delulu.
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Oh my gosh, Taylor, thank you so much for being here.
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I'm so honored. Are you kidding me?
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I'm so honored because not only are we like friends, but I'm
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genuinely like such a giant fan of your music.
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I am like heartfelt as fuck. Where are we going?
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Is it heartfelt? I'm proposing Felter, but I was
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sort of heartfelt. Let me know what should be the
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fandom name. You know what I'm saying.
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We have heartfelt we had T force Oh my initials TF oh TT force.
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TTT you should do that for your T line when you're 80.
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When I'm 80, I do AT. Line when you're 80.
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And I call it T force. Oh, I love that.
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OK, I need a little bit of royalties on that 'cause we
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just, I just conceived it right here.
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OK, technically you already had it.
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But either way, Taylor, we're going to get into everything
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with you, your music, your journey, all the Taylor TATAY
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dash LO RE Taylor. And I want to cost cost about
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everything. I love it.
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Also the Taylor, you're too smart.
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I can't. Too smart.
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I've been sitting on that one for a minute.
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I've been singing on that one for a minute.
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I'm glad you clocked it. You texted it to me, remember?
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And I was like, Oh yeah, you need to use that.
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That's genius. Definitely.
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I'll get my relatives for that one.
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OK, we love it, but. 10%. I want to talk about like how
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when we met we literally like stayed up all night just
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yapping. Just yapping.
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That's my favorite day. I love it.
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We got into everything. Endless text threads, just Oh my
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God, back and forth, back and forth.
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And then it's 4:00 AM and I'm like, we still got to.
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Go to school tonight. Oh my God.
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We kept sending each other our demos and we were talking about
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everything. And we were like, I would send
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her a song. She would give me like her
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little Blurbra feedback. You would send me something
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yours, I'll give you mine. And it was like that for like 5
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and something like literally 4:00 AM the day we met,
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literally. And I was just like, Oh my God,
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your music is so great. The way that you listen to music
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is so detailed and you can just point out everything.
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I was like, Oh my God. That's why I like you because
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you literally world build and I see it and literally clocked in
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immediately. And I was like noticing all of
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these like through lines with your music because then you, you
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know, when we I met Taylor here at passes and when I met you,
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you played me a little bit of your upcoming projects and I was
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like, Oh my gosh, guys, when people like want to show me
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their music, I'm very like picky about music.
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So I'm always like, OK, let's do it.
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But she played her music and I I moved a little.
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I moved a little. You played move a little.
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I was like, wait a minute, this is the Bob.
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I'm like, I'm going, I love that shit.
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And I love your world building and everything about you.
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But OK, girl, we need to get into where Taylor felt came
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from. Like give us the Taylor actually
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the background, the history, how you ended up in LA.
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Like how did all of this happen? Oh my God, a lot.
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To get into there's a deep world together.
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Yeah, this is a deep world it all started in.
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The Take us back the. Fetus of my beautiful mother,
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no. Oh shit.
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Oh, we're going that far. I.
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Was just beaten. Shout out there you.
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Go singing and dancing in there. You're moving a little already.
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I was moving a little in the fetus.
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You were. Moving a little.
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I was ready to come out. You were ready.
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But no, for real, I actually don't remember a time that I
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wasn't singing or wasn't obsessed with music.
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Like I was just so innately drawn to it, like from a young
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age. Like every home video is me
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singing, not talking. Because whenever.
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The camera turned to me. I was just like hi, I'm.
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You were meant to be a *. Singing.
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Period. Before you were even talking,
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you were singing. Exactly.
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It was so funny. I was like, wow, it really was
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just like woven in my DNA. DNA for real.
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Yeah. Do you come from like a musical
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family? No, that's what's so strange.
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And so it was like, I don't know, I feel like I was a little
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glitch in the system, I feel. Like, I have a family of
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creatives though you know your brother does graphic design.
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My brother does. I have three younger brothers,
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so one does graphic design and animation.
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I live with my brother in LA and he does video game design, which
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is so sick, as well as the effects.
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And then my other brother's doing like sports communication
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and stuff. Oh my God.
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So my dad's happy he got one sports guy.
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I mean you guys like. You just playing at fuck a
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sports game football game. NFL.
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NFL You just did the national anthem for the NFL, so there
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you. Go my dad was.
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I'm sure he was stuck. He was shook.
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He was like, what? That's crazy.
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He was like, I wish he was on the East Coast.
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I would have came, you know. Such a dream.
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Well, you'll get there, too. Oh yeah, when you're doing the
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Super Bowl, we'll all go. Exactly, period.
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I need to be doing your own stuff of how it all started.
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I remember when I was 2 years old, my first, my youngest
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memory was me singing on a Strawberry Shortcake karaoke
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machine my aunt gave me and I was singing Crazy in Love
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Beyoncé, Crazy Love Beyoncé and Material Girl Donna.
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You were always a diva. You know I love the Divas.
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Period. You knew I love the diva.
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You knew you locked in. And I was just singing them on
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my little karaoke machine. And I remember seeing like the
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Crazy and Love music videos. I was obsessed with music
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videos, watched music videos on the TV, watched MTV, always had
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it on and on T Nick. They would have like music
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videos in the middle of like shows.
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They would like have them have them on as like commercials.
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And I remember seeing this and I was like, yeah, I got to do
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this. Like, I just want to be on
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stage. You just wanna make people feel
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like how I feel. Yeah, absolutely.
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That's why I felt listening to music growing up too.
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Like it's just, it's like something that connects so
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deeply with obviously, you know how I talk on music and listen
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to your music. Like I'm very locked in when I'm
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like listening to something or watching something.
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And I love visuals too. So I love that you mentioned
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that because I feel like, honestly, visuals are such a
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lost art. And what I love about you is
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that you really take it there and you make it like this world,
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and you bring us into it, and we're gonna get into all of
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that, too. I love a visual world, yeah, but
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that's what really started. It was that young.
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And then I told my mom I was like, I'm going to be a singer.
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Like every video is like, I'm going to be a singer, I'm a
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singer. Like even the footage of my
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mom's like, here's the singer. Like it was just always.
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Wait, we need that for the Taylor Felt documentary?
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OK, love that we have to dig through the archives.
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Obsessed with just singing and everywhere, every, every, you
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know, family, The gathering. Yeah.
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Performing. Performed.
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I started playing piano at 7, started my piano lesson, started
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vocal lessons. 7 was like a big year for me.
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It's like the year I felt like I was a grown woman and I'm seven.
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I'm the. You're like coming home from
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elementary school and you're like, all right.
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It's time for me to start my. I'll start training.
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I was like. OK, it's time, right?
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And I came home. Yeah.
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So we started voice lessons, piano.
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And this is all me. Like, my mom was like, you don't
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have to do this. She was like, I'm not forcing
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you to do any of this. You know, you could do soccer.
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You can just be A and. You're like, give me a mic.
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I was. Like, no, yeah, give me a mic.
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I was like, I have to do this. I feel so drawn.
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Was it like every facet of like what a performance is like?
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Did you also do dancing or was it just singing you wanted to do
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dancing as? Well, yeah, I did hip hop and
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jazz since I was young. I did ballet when I was really
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young, and then I'd have hip hop and jazz.
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I would drive into my mom would drive me everywhere.
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Shut up, Chris. And so she would drive me to
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every studio session, every dance class.
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We would drive into New York City because I'm from
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Connecticut, so we were like 45 minutes away from Manhattan.
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So it's so easy. We would drive into every
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Sunday, do my hip hop jazz class, and then I did a lot of
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Broadway auditions with a lot of different dance styles on
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Broadway and then just did a bunch of auditions for
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Nickelodeon and Disney. And so I was just every avenue I
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was trying, I was, you're exploring it.
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What's going to pop off first? The acting, the dancing, the
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singing. Right.
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But you know you're going to make it.
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And I was like, I just want to throw everything at the wall and
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see what sticks, you know? And my mom also was the type of
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person that was, like, sing right now.
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Like, she sees someone that's like, could be, could be anyone.
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Anyone. Yeah.
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Just start singing. Let's get you.
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Discovered like you're going to perform right now.
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Did you do it? Oh, everywhere.
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Restaurants, train stations on the train.
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Yeah, different. Like coffee shops.
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Like I was singing everywhere. She's like, we're going to get
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you discovered like today she'd. Be like, start singing and I'm
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like, I just want to eat my like McDonald's.
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And she's like you could eat after you're a pop *.
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Just you could eat right now like.
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You're going to eat girl, period.
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Yes, I love that. That's like you it.
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Was so fun. But yeah, it was like, and we
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fly out to LA and for acting, that's how it started.
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So I'd come out to LA randomly found an agent who was sitting
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next to us. Like we had a coffee shop in LA
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and we were like, oh, we really need an agent.
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And he was sitting right next to me, right right behind us.
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And he's like, oh, you need an agent?
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Well, I could be your acting agent.
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And I started doing auditions. How serendipitous it.
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Was just. So it was.
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How old were you at that time? I was like 12. 12O you've been
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going for a while then yeah, you've been performing OK.
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Oh my God. And so that I feel like acting
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really helped with confidence and like speaking in front of
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people. Yeah, totally.
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'Cause you're like by yourself with these like producers.
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Yeah, you're a kid. Absolutely.
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Yeah, yeah. But acting wasn't like my, you
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know, first love. It was like, I just wanted to do
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music, you know? I was.
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Like totally. Did you see it like as a mean
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sent ends like? Totally.
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I saw it as like the Hannah Montana vibe.
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I was like, oh, OK, I could do the acting, then do music. 100%.
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You know, yes, and I think I'll return to acting one day.
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I think that'd be fun. Yeah, but you'd be good at it.
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I like. You're such a performer.
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Thank you. You're such a performer, Yeah,
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You're like such a star in everything you do.
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So we're gonna get you casted. Yes, okay, the right role.
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Yes, absolutely. And you're gonna sing in the
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role. We'll do a musical A.
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Star is born. Period.
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Lady Gaga. OK, yes, exactly.
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OK, I love that. So you're originally from
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Connecticut, So when did you end up coming out to LA then?
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So you've been performing, you're doing the auditions,
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you're doing every training that you can to be a pop star.
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When was it time to be like, OK, it's time to go to Los Angeles?
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So I was bicoastal a lot, like I was saying, going back and
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forth. And then after quarantine, I was
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like, you know what? I was like quarantined in
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Connecticut and what was crazy, So right before the world shut
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down, I did the national anthem for the NBA.
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Oh my God, so. Four days.
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It was crazy. Four days before the NBA shut
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down, I did the national anthem for the Lakers.
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And the world was over. Jay-Z was there.
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Shut up. Yeah, I think Blue Ivy was
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there. I was like.
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Even more special. I know I'm like.
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More impressed with that. Oh my God.
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And then literally four days later the NBA shut down.
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We went home and I thought I was just going back to Connecticut
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for like 2 weeks. We all did.
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I was like O2 weeks right like quarantine.
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I didn't come back, CLA, right? I didn't come back for almost a
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year. I was like, what?
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And who would have thought? I was like, yeah, I got to get
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out of my hometown, let's go back to LA and I'm moving.
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And I. Talked to my brother and we were
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like, you know what let's go me and you and I love living with
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my brother. He like makes fun of me all the
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time and keeps me really grounded and humble.
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Do you like that cringy all the time.
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And he scares me like I'm making my coffee and he like jumps in
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the room and he's like, hey, how you doing today?
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I'm like. That's such a brother.
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Thing and I just like jump because I have horrible like
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reflexes. I just.
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Am always scared don't. Don't show me a jump.
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Scare. You're always on, like fight or
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flight. Yeah, OK.
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Gotcha. But because of him.
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But yeah, living with him is great.
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It's like having a brother. It's like, yeah, it keeps you
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really grounded in a kind of chaotic city sometimes, you
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know, it could be hard to, like, find your tribe and a. 100%.
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To have like. A family, especially in LA too,
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you know what I mean? Like it's hard to like find
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people that you really resonate with, people they could trust,
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and then like everyone's doing something, you know what I mean?
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It's a lot. It definitely is a lot.
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That's really nice that you have that Browning system and your
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mom visits a lot too. Yeah, she comes out a bunch and
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visits us, which is awesome. She's here right now.
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She's here. Hi.
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Mom. Hi, Mom.
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She's. The best?
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I know. I'm so excited that you brought
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her. She's my favorite person in
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life. Absolutely, definitely.
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So that's super cool. I love that your family is so
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supportive of you. So do you feel like that really
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helped you like keep going too? Because it's such a hard fucking
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industry and you started so young too.
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Yeah, that is, I think the reason that I'm here is because
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my family, you know, like the lessons that my mom taught me on
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just being so fearless and she just believed in me even when
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like, I didn't believe in myself.
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You know, she, my mom and my dad and my brothers, they all like
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just spoke so much greatness into me and was like, whatever
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you want, just try your best. And we're here to support.
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We're here to cheer you on. We're your cheerleaders.
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And even when it was the Lulu, they still saw it as true true.
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And now it's true, Lulu Girl, look at you now like you've been
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killing it. You've been doing so much too
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because you've been releasing so much music and you released a
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bunch of songs last year. And we're going to talk about
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your previous project at Flowers in a second too.
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But their journey to get here was like, obviously not an easy
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one. You're doing a lot of auditions,
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etcetera. You felt supported, but you
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actually blew up on TikTok, Like blew up on TikTok.
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I think you were one of the first TikTok music ambassadors.
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What does that even? Mean.
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I know. It's so weird.
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Isn't that crazy? What?
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What does that mean? It was so wild.
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So I started posting. I just got like a notification
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on my phone. Actually I started posting on
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YouTube 10 years ago. Oh shit, really?
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10/10 What were you guys on a 10 year?
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Yeah singing. Oh shit.
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OK, so 2016. 20 No, no, it wasn't 10 years.
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Sorry, it was 20 year anniversary or something.
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No, it was 15. Sorry, it was actually 15.
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It started in 2009. Oh shit, you were.
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On it because we saw like Justin Bieber blowing up and I was
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like, my mom and I were like, let's post like a singing video.
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Like hell yeah. So I sang the climb and my mom
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filmed it on a Flip camera and I sang This is a Climb because I
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was obsessed with Miley. Yeah, you're Hannah Montana, so
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that makes sense. Exactly.
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So I posted it. Of course nobody saw them.
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And then I was like, oh, let's just start posting.
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So I I wrote songs and then posted like originals and we
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would make like DIY music videos and like with my brothers and
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we're all just like just making fun music videos posting them.
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That's actually so fun. It was really fun and then I
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started covers. I was like, OK, let's start the
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covers and I started doing series and I think the series is
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what really helped, like having a consistent signature.
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Series 100%. Really helped with.
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Growth. Was it your?
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Was it Mash up Monday? Mash up Monday.
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There it is. I did mash up Monday, so I did
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every Monday for a full year. I was.
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You committed. 16 or 17 was my freshman in high school and I
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told my mom I was like OK, if I go home school I'm going to be
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like locked the hell in on social media.
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And she was like OK, let's we'll do homeschool.
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Obviously she wasn't homeschooling you.
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Thank God. But it was paid off.
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But I got to go to this like homeschool school, which is
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really cool. It's like called Fusion and it's
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like one-on-one with teachers. And it was just the schedule is
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way looser so that I could like just post a lot.
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More. Yeah, we're going.
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More and travel because I was going to LA a bunch and so I was
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like, I locked in and did mashup every single week on YouTube and
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Instagram and it just really blew up.
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Yeah. Did two or more songs smashing
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them together and I didn't get sick at all that year either, so
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I didn't miss one week. You're so lucky.
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Like I was so. God wanted you to do the mashup.
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I was so isolated too, I didn't see anybody.
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You gotta lock. In so locked and.
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That was my first two years on TikTok.
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I didn't leave my house at all. I was just making content.
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And that's, you know, it's so funny.
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It's like you get rewarded for being isolated.
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I guess so. Yeah.
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And so I was so locked in then after that, then I was on
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Musically, I posted on Musically, they did OK.
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Then once Musically turned to TikTok, it was getting hate.
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So people don't talk about or remember.
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Like when TikTok came out, everyone was calling it the
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corniest app. Oh yeah, blah blah, blah.
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Like, oh, it was on. Cringe.
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I didn't want to tell people how to TikTok.
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It was embarrassing. Embarrassing and.
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Even like the OG TikTok, OG Musically, people weren't going
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on TikTok. Like they were like they just
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gave up. And I saw it as an open lane.
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So I was like, OK, people are leaving, I'm going.
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To say it's my turn. It's let's go.
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Absolutely. So then I was like, let me post
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covers in my car. That was my thing and every I
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was always I just learned how to drive.
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So I was always in my car and just like my little Jeep
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Wrangler driving around town, like let me just film covers in
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here because my house is so loud with my brothers because I have
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3 younger brothers and three dogs and my parents and
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everyone's screaming. So I was like, you know what,
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the car is my safe haven. Let me just sing in my car and
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sing as loud as I want, you know?
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And so then I sang all different covers and then they just
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started blowing up, started blowing up.
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And people would come back to my page, you know, every week to.
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See the different? Covers and it was.
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How did that feel? Like, you know, when you started
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blowing up? Because then you've been, you've
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genuinely been working at it for a long time, like a decade at
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that point, like posting and then also like going to
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auditions, travelling to LA. Now it's like you're seeing like
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this happening in real time. Like what was that like for you?
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There was a sense of like confirmation of like, OK, cool,
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I'm on the right path, you. Know it's like a relief.
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It's a relief, but also it's not abnormal because it's what I've
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always envisioned for myself. OK, so you're just like this
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makes sense. This makes sense.
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I got this. I think the biggest thing is
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keeping your mind right and not changing for because there's
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more eyeballs on you, you. Know.
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It's like you don't want to change the way you show up
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because of the amount of people that see it, you know?
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And yeah, it just felt like really affirming.
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I was like, OK, cool. Like people like this dope.
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I love doing this. Absolutely.
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It was, it was awesome. But it was, it was nice that
17:43
people really loved my voice. And that was really cool.
17:46
And then it got to a point where I was like, OK, I've been
17:48
writing my whole life, but I've kind of kept it a secret, you
17:51
know? I haven't.
17:52
Didn't really show. People didn't really release
17:54
music when I was really young. You weren't like singing any
17:56
originals, you were just doing covers.
17:57
Just doing covers. Just doing covers OK.
17:59
But it wasn't like I wasn't writing.
18:00
I just wasn't showing people. And I was like, OK, I, I just
18:05
wasn't ready to, to, to release music yet.
18:08
And I think that's why now it's like the biggest compliment is
18:11
when people compliment my writing or they compliment
18:13
that's what I was telling you music and you know everything
18:17
about it. And that just means so much
18:19
because the voice is awesome. Because I love my voice.
18:22
I mean, you're a singer. Pride and like vocalist
18:24
technicality, you know, but it's like, wow, you actually like
18:28
care about what I wrote and like it impacted you.
18:30
You know, that's what I do for I just want to be of service to
18:32
others. I literally texted you the other
18:34
day and I was like, listen, we all know you're an incredible
18:36
singer. And I was like, you do not get
18:37
enough flowers for your songwriting.
18:39
I literally told you I was like, you're such an incredible
18:42
writer. I hope you know that because I
18:43
was listening to 21 and I was like, this is clever.
18:45
This is really clever, You know what I mean?
18:47
And I was like, you're a really great writer.
18:48
And I feel like we should appreciate that more and
18:51
recognize that more because like, your voice is so
18:53
incredible, obviously, but like, I think your pen game is so
18:56
strong too. Like you're such a good writer,
19:00
genuinely. And I love the music in the
19:02
world you're building. We're literally going to get
19:03
into it like right now. But I will say my producer was
19:06
telling me how talented of this singer you are.
19:08
So fun. Little facts.
19:10
So Taylor's actually on one of my songs, she does harmonies for
19:13
me. And we just wanted a little AD
19:14
Lib from her, but she was in the booth and my producer was like,
19:17
can you like actually just do like the entire verse?
19:19
And she did it so generous, by the way.
19:21
But he just loves your voice and he wanted to hear her do it.
19:23
And obviously we kept it because it sounded incredible.
19:26
Of course I would be honored. What?
19:27
To thank you to. Sing on your song, are you?
19:29
Kidding. I'm.
19:30
I'm just like so shocked that you even said yes when I asked
19:32
you because. I was like stop it.
19:33
Oh my God, Because people could be so difficult.
19:34
I don't want to get into it, but like, I'm so happy that you're
19:36
on the song. Oh, anytime.
19:38
If you need backgrounds anytime. Stop it.
19:39
Oh my God, I love you. Then you have such a great
19:41
voice. I was like, oh, she's going to
19:42
outshine me, but it's OK. Do it.
19:45
It's fine. No.
19:47
Oh my God, the song is amazing. Guys, you're not ready.
19:49
Thank you so much. Oh my God, I love that.
19:51
Song special one. So excited.
19:54
I know, me too, and thank you for being on it.
19:56
I'm so happy to be on. Are you kidding?
19:58
I'm happy you asked. I fucking love you.
20:00
You're such a good friend. Like you're a fucking good
20:02
friend. That's crazy.
20:03
Thank you so much. And then my producer Brett was
20:06
like, she's like Christina Aguilera because of your vocals.
20:09
Brett, you'd be singing. Thank you.
20:11
I love me some Christina. Oh my.
20:13
God, we were out the other night so much and then someone was
20:15
like, oh, what's your like? What would you compare yourself
20:17
to? And you're like, huh?
20:18
And. Then you said Christina, and I
20:19
was like, I was like, you're right.
20:20
Brett says Christina. And then you're like, yes, I
20:22
was. Like, wait, yeah, yeah, 'cause
20:23
sometimes it's a hard question, 'cause I'm like, I gotta like, I
20:26
gotta like, look at myself from a third person.
20:28
Yeah, 'cause I wouldn't be able to clock one either, 'cause I
20:30
feel like you have such. I was literally telling Brett
20:32
before we started this, so excited to have you on huge
20:35
chain of your music. And I was like, what I love
20:36
about her is like she has such a clear artistic identity.
20:39
Sonic lane already, like you're very strong in it.
20:41
And I'm like she's Taylor fell And a lot of artists, especially
20:45
independent artists, have a difficult time branding
20:47
themselves and like how they show up and what they want to
20:49
present themselves as. And you're like so clear in your
20:51
vision and I really look up to that and admire that like you
20:55
really are. I mean, even everything you're
20:56
doing now and this current era and everything, even changed
20:59
your hair for it. We went brighter.
21:03
Yeah, I love it. And the pink in the back.
21:05
For you exactly because that's how good your branding is.
21:08
I appreciate it. It's super strong.
21:10
And I do it all. You do it all.
21:12
Do all the branding. I was going to say you're a
21:14
fully independent artist and I tell you this all the time, but
21:17
I'm like your productions, it looks like it's so high budget,
21:21
it looks so big. I'm like shocked that you're
21:23
doing everything by yourself too.
21:25
Thank you. Yeah, it looks good it.
21:27
Looks. Good.
21:28
It's balling on a budget guys. That's.
21:30
Crazy. And I really, I really admire
21:32
that because I'm like, holy shit, you're turning out like
21:33
really good quality, like pop star shit and you're doing
21:36
independently. Thank you.
21:38
Yeah, it's, it's definitely hard sometimes, you know, being
21:41
independent. But I just love it, the freedom
21:43
you have to be able to control everything, really, and to have
21:48
the power in your hands. You're not.
21:50
There's no one above me in, you know, my career or my vision.
21:55
It's like I just, I get to lead and I really love doing that and
22:00
to spearhead everything. And sometimes it feels like
22:02
overwhelming. It can be, but in the best way
22:04
you know, it's it's so fun to like make a million mood boards
22:08
and. You be making mood boards.
22:09
Like I'm a mood board. She shows me all her mood
22:11
boards. I'm like, Oh my God, your mind.
22:14
I'm like, wait, we're going in some way to redirect.
22:16
Wait, how are we correlating? I was like, it's going to
22:18
happen. And it does.
22:19
And it really consolidated. Oh my gosh.
22:21
So everything we see and hear from you, this is all you.
22:23
This is your mind. You're you're doing it, I think.
22:26
That's why it's so cohesive, even the shirt you're wearing.
22:29
Period Guys, come on everyone get Taylor Felt merch and new
22:33
merch that will be coming out as well probably.
22:35
Oh yeah. Definitely for sure.
22:36
Period, period. No, because everything, my
22:39
fingerprints are on everything. My DNA is everywhere.
22:41
You can tell, you know, it's like my heart in Sonic and
22:45
visual form. And that's really what what I
22:47
wanted it to be. It feels like that.
22:49
Too I don't have a creative director, I don't have a manager
22:51
I don't got a makeup artist, I don't got nothing we.
22:55
Need it like. Obviously you don't need it, but
22:57
like that would be so crazy. Like imagine how good everything
23:01
else we get better if like you had people dedicating to it too,
23:03
like we'll get there. We're.
23:04
No, it's not. Definitely.
23:05
That's the next upgrade, which is going to be awesome.
23:07
That's what I'm doing right now. Like I'm building out my team
23:09
because I'm just like, we're gearing up for the music and
23:11
everything and I'm just like, OK, I, I'm not you, girl.
23:14
I cannot handle this. Like I'm like, you make it look
23:16
easy and you don't complain either.
23:19
You're like so excited about everything.
23:20
Like I'll text you before a shoot.
23:21
You're like yay. And I'm like, oh, I'd be so
23:23
stressed and I'm such a bitch too.
23:25
I'd be like snapping at everyone.
23:26
Like mine's our team. Like I'm.
23:28
Diva. I have a huge diva.
23:30
I have a diva. This morning brought was on my
23:31
ass. I'm a diva in in my own like
23:34
space, like I'm a diva like in my apartment to my brother, I
23:38
think, you know, like that's my diva.
23:40
OK, I apologize to everyone else then, but.
23:43
Yeah, I get it out. He's like the person I get it
23:46
out on, OK? He.
23:47
Can handle it, he can handle it, he can handle it.
23:50
But that's crazy because you really are like a DIY queen.
23:53
Like everything you do looks so good and even your cover arts.
23:55
Oh my God, the single cover for Move a Little.
24:00
Are you kidding? Covering your eyes.
24:02
It was so insane. On your nails and the colors,
24:05
everything's so vibrant. You're moving a little.
24:07
We moved a lot. Of you moved a lot of girl.
24:10
And it was shot by Meg. She's my good friend.
24:14
It was crazy how we met. We I met her when I was 17.
24:17
Oh shit, how insane. We were at a Fall Out Boy
24:19
concert. Wait, that's crazy.
24:21
I know Random. And at the concert, she was
24:24
sitting behind me and she was like, Oh my God, are you Taylor
24:27
Felt like I saw your covers online and I was like, Oh my
24:30
God. We took a photo.
24:31
And then we just became friends and we would meet up at
24:34
different events like Beautycon in New York.
24:36
And I was like, she was like, I'm an aspiring photographer.
24:38
And I was like, Oh my God, yes. And now she's like alone up and
24:41
incredible and next level, like going on tour with Mr. Wives and
24:45
all these big artists and we've been shooting for years because
24:49
I just, I've always believed in her and she's always believed in
24:51
me and. That's so great finding like
24:53
creatives that you can like nurture and also see grow and
24:56
have them believe in you because I really like that too.
24:58
I feel like what I'm doing right now, like with the things I'm
25:00
creating, it's like people I want to be like, I can see you
25:03
blowing up so much. Like let's do this, like let's
25:06
do this together. And being around creatives is so
25:08
inspiring too. I love that.
25:10
I love being around people who are still growing under the
25:14
surface. Totally.
25:15
You know, yeah. It's like, 'cause we're, I feel
25:18
like we haven't even sprouted yet, you know, like we're, I
25:21
love flower references, as you can tell.
25:23
Yes, we just love plants. We haven't bloomed yet, even
25:26
though I feel a. Lot of my plants dead flowers.
25:30
Tea, but we're not watering those anymore.
25:31
No, we're not watering dead. Flowers and we had to learn that
25:35
that was an experience. Well, let's talk about the Dead
25:37
Flowers EP. So your debut EP Dead Flowers,
25:40
this is from an experience that you were going through with a
25:42
breakup. You have mentioned before that
25:45
you named it Dead Flowers because it was you learning that
25:47
you can't water the dead flowers anymore.
25:49
And this is 7 songs that kind of chronicle like a timeline
25:52
because it's not just the moment of a breakup.
25:54
It's like you can actually hear through the songs like what
25:56
you're thinking and what you're going through with the
25:58
situation. How is the process of making
26:00
this EP? It was brutal.
26:03
And you needed to. Do it.
26:04
It was like therapy. Like, truly.
26:07
I feel like we hear it, it feels it's deeply personal and we the
26:11
lyrics are so like Diary ask. Yeah, like crazy real.
26:17
And it was sometimes like, oh shit, is this too real?
26:20
Should I put this out? You know?
26:21
Just that's the stuff you should put out.
26:23
I agree. I agree.
26:24
I think that's when you know, like OK, this has to come out
26:27
because other people feel this 1000%.
26:29
We're all humans be the same range of emotion.
26:32
You know? It's like other people feel
26:33
this, but with dead flowers. I was so grateful to find like
26:37
my creative tribe, you know, like I found Dion Gill, he was
26:41
like partner in crime with music.
26:44
And it just started with us going into the studio and just
26:48
talking. We would just talk about life,
26:50
what I'm going through therapy sessions.
26:53
We were crying and we were kind of both going through similar
26:56
things and, and the struggles of being in the music industry and
27:00
feeling taken advantage of as well as feeling taken advantage
27:03
of in relationships. It felt like it mirrored you're
27:07
My like relationship with the music industry was very similar
27:11
to my relationship. I felt really kind of
27:12
manipulated. 100% you're going through it during that era too.
27:16
Yeah, so it kind of was both at the same time.
27:19
And it was also just, it was hard.
27:21
There was health issues with my family and I felt just really
27:24
alone in LA And I feel like everyone has that moment when
27:27
you move to LA, you're like, I feel so.
27:28
Alone. Yeah.
27:29
So my God. Find like your people, you.
27:31
Know it's your LA rite of passage, trust me.
27:33
Yeah, literally. Yeah, I was.
27:35
I was really lonely and I was like living with my ex at the
27:39
time and it was just like, it was rough.
27:42
Oh shit. When you live with the wrong
27:43
person it's like nightmare. Yes, I bet.
27:46
Yeah, but and wrote this EP and like, broke up with him in the
27:52
process and breaking up was like the best decision I ever made.
27:57
And it was so hard. Oh my God.
27:59
It was hard because I had to relearn who I was cuz I
28:02
completely lost myself completely in the relationship.
28:06
I'm like that too. You know, it's like I'm like, I
28:09
was so attached. Yeah, I mean, honestly, you were
28:11
so young too. This was a few years ago.
28:13
Like you're, you're super young right now.
28:15
But like, you know, young love is toughies.
28:18
Yeah. And you're living together?
28:21
Yeah. Yeah I feel like cuz it was my
28:23
first time moving away from home as well so I was like my first
28:26
time doing like I don't know big girl shit I guess.
28:30
That's scary. I was like 19.
28:31
Now you're with someone and like you're doing it together and
28:33
like you're trying to figure out life together.
28:35
It was a lot. I feel like I was a mom.
28:37
It was not the vibe. Oh God, I know exactly how I've
28:40
been there. You know, and so got to write
28:44
this EP and make art out of it. And how like processing it at
28:47
the same time in real time too? In real time.
28:50
And a lot of them started just in the shower.
28:52
Like I love writing in the shower.
28:53
Oh my God, it's so therapeutic to me.
28:55
So I was like, like mirror, mirror started in the shower.
28:57
Oh shit. Literally a voice memo.
28:59
I have the voice memo. You do you really.
29:01
Yes. OK, we're adding that to
29:02
documentary too. Oh yeah, I have the video.
29:05
You hear the shower. I'm in the shower as I'm.
29:08
Singing I love. That and I just got the melody
29:11
out of nowhere. I was just like on the wall and
29:14
then it just was very, what is it?
29:17
Snow White esque, you know. Oh my God yeah.
29:19
Also the visual for it is so sickening.
29:21
Thank you the. Video yeah, I can't ever tell
29:25
I'm like you have funding girl and you're like no we're just
29:28
out here doing it we. Ever tried?
29:30
Oh my God, do. The best we I edited it with my
29:33
friend Max and, and directed it with him and he's incredible.
29:37
Oh my God. So we just had so much fun just
29:39
working on it and creating it together.
29:40
And we would just go over to his apartment and we just edit for
29:42
hours and get it done and the mood board and we just had this
29:47
black box and we're like, what can we do?
29:50
We're like, OK, let's shine red lights.
29:52
And have I have told every all my friends to come and start
29:55
running. That was when they're running in
29:57
slow MO. And then I brought my mirror
29:59
from IKEA that I have in my apartment and we used that.
30:02
And that's like, yeah, that was the only props.
30:05
It was like sick and it looked so it.
30:07
Was trippy too. Yeah, definitely.
30:09
And I love the single cover. Like it's very like fairy tale
30:12
esque, you know what I mean? And like the distortion and
30:15
everything, like it's just, it's such a world that you bring
30:17
people into. And I really like that about
30:19
your vision too. And it also feels super
30:20
cohesive. Thank you.
30:22
Yeah. And that song in particular,
30:23
like those lyrics are some of my favorite.
30:26
Oh my God, introspective. And it was when I really wasn't
30:31
loving the person in the mirror. Like I wasn't loving the girl
30:33
that I saw. And I was super insecure and
30:36
like just so down on myself. That's so crazy.
30:39
And but I wanted the music to feel like fun.
30:42
I mean, I wanted it to be the juxtaposition.
30:44
I love that. I'm it was like like, oh, oh,
30:47
like they're dancing in the club and then they're like, wait,
30:49
she's saying. Really sad.
30:51
That's exactly how I write. I want like the production to be
30:53
like a Bob and I want the lyric to be like sad and dark.
30:56
Totally. That's what I love.
30:57
Like I love dance crime music where it's like where it's like,
30:59
Oh my God, this is such a Bob. And it's like, wait, that's
31:01
super sad. That's a really dark shit, yeah.
31:04
That's my favorite kind of music, so I love that too.
31:06
Wait, OK, I have a question about that then.
31:08
So do you feel like because like, you know, your entire
31:10
life, your family has been so supportive and loving and, you
31:12
know, really encouraging of you to help you build up your
31:14
confidence. And now you're in this era where
31:16
you're losing that confidence. Do you think it's a result from
31:18
this relationship or do you feel like LA in general, like coming
31:21
out here being alone? Like, how did you end up
31:22
feeling, you know, insecure about yourself and uncertain
31:26
about yourself? I think it was, yeah, they're
31:28
definitely the people around me. So it was definitely the
31:29
relationship and like this, the manager that I had at the time
31:34
as well. It was just a lot of like
31:36
negative feedback in my ears. You know.
31:39
Like from all angles, because I just feel like I had a lot of
31:42
haters around me to be honest. And my family was never haters.
31:45
People who? Are close to you.
31:48
Yeah, I'm just grateful that my family was such supporters in my
31:51
life. But when you're around haters,
31:52
then you start believing it. Then you start believing, Wait,
31:54
am I good? Enough.
31:54
I think you're doubting yourself.
31:55
Oh my God, it's so crazy. Especially when they're supposed
31:58
to be in your corner in their OPS.
31:59
Yeah, and it's like, wait, right, I'm.
32:02
Confused and so confusing, but there's some sort of
32:05
manipulation there because they want to make you feel small and
32:09
make you feel like they that you need you.
32:11
Need them? Exactly.
32:12
It's exploitation. I actually drive so much better
32:15
without you. Oh my God, and.
32:16
Then realizing that and finding the freedom too, to like move on
32:19
from that, which, you know, I think especially being in LA in
32:22
the music industry in general, like that shit is so draining
32:25
and it's so evil. And that's actually like
32:28
essentially what my songs take it to Hell is about, about the
32:30
music industry as a whole, about like how not in the music
32:33
entertainment industry. Like I feel like I have like a
32:36
hand on my neck at all times. And like the fear of like OPS
32:39
being around you. It's like a universal.
32:41
I feel like especially if you're an entertainer in LA, you're
32:43
going to go through that and it's super scary.
32:45
There's a lot of dark energy for sure, and I don't.
32:49
I put up such a bubble every day.
32:50
Every morning I put up my little.
32:51
A little strange bubble. My strange bubble.
32:54
Only the OG's? No, that's my gamertag on
32:56
everything. OG heartfelt.
32:58
Get it? Yeah.
32:59
Strange bubble, OK, but yeah, you got to put that bubble up
33:01
you. Got to protect yourself, protect
33:03
your energy. Trust your intuition because you
33:05
have all the answers. At the end of the day, nobody
33:07
knows you like you, and nobody can tell you your vision.
33:11
You have your vision. It's all in you.
33:12
Just meditate man. Meditate to dynamite.
33:14
Period, as you did. You.
33:16
Guys, we were moving a little the other night, moving a
33:18
lottle, and she sat down in a booth.
33:21
She started meditating. Dynamite was playing.
33:23
It was religious, actually. I was like, I actually
33:25
completely got this. I felt that on a spiritual
33:26
level. Like it's dynamite period.
33:30
I just resend her my chakras with that.
33:32
There you go. You need.
33:34
To go out with Taylor, we need to move a little of Taylor.
33:36
Trust me, it's fun. Everyone, let's just go out how
33:39
we're going to throw a party. We need to throw a party and
33:41
then everyone's invited to come. Everyone's coming.
33:43
We're going to move a Lotto we're going to do, we're going
33:45
to do more than that, but we'll get into that.
33:47
So you said the Dead Flowers EP You said it was inspired by a
33:49
lot of things that were inside this apartment too, like the
33:52
dead flowers, Like the literal dead flowers.
33:54
I did have literal dead flowers. It was, and even in that song
33:58
where I was naming all those objects, I love imagery.
34:01
So, you know, I was saying about the the socks and the shampoo
34:04
and the flowers and I just really wanted to create this
34:06
landscape of. And it was real, too.
34:08
All real. All real, yeah.
34:10
It was it was all real. And I was like, wow, this is
34:14
such a perfect way to describe this like air of my life.
34:19
A. 100%. It's like stop watering dead
34:21
flowers, like stop pouring into things that don't serve you.
34:24
And I just feel like I was just watering these dead flowers
34:26
hoping they would come back to life.
34:27
God girl. Be revived?
34:29
Absolutely. I was like, girl, they're dead,
34:31
man, you got to let it go. Let them die.
34:32
Got to. Burn them.
34:33
Absolutely got to burn them. I.
34:35
Loved the EP trailer, it was so cinematic and well shot.
34:39
I know you did that by yourself and you did in your apartment.
34:41
Yeah, it's my apartment. And the progression of the
34:42
relationship dying behind the fucking flowers.
34:44
You guys please watch this trailer for Dead Flowers.
34:46
It's incredible. So sick, it's one of my favorite
34:49
things I've ever done. I.
34:49
Know I'm so happy you're so proud of it because when you
34:51
sent it to me and you said you loved it and I watched it, I was
34:53
like, it was like the fact that this is so fucking good and like
34:57
you just did it yourself. That's crazy.
34:59
So Max, the same person who did mirror mirror amazing Maximo, he
35:04
I told him the idea. I gave him a whole storyboard.
35:06
I put him on my wall. So like when we shot the day I
35:08
was like, here's storyboard and I just wanted to stand still
35:12
camera shot in my apartment and have just flowers slowly dying
35:16
as the relationship is. Still in the background.
35:18
Behind it. And the color grading and
35:20
everything just matching the. Color grading.
35:23
Everything was so great. So it took like a long time
35:26
because we had to wait for the sun to set for like the.
35:28
That's right. Because we didn't do it over
35:30
different days. We did one day.
35:32
So we did a couple shots. Then we like ate food, watched a
35:34
little. Bit.
35:36
And then we shot the ones at night.
35:38
Like, let's fight now you're. Like, yeah, that's right.
35:41
And then Ben, my guitarist. You met Ben?
35:44
Ben. Yeah, He was the guy in the
35:46
video. Oh.
35:46
Wait, I didn't clock that. Yeah, I felt like you guys were
35:49
more silhouettes back there too. You know what I mean, 'cause it
35:51
was like the the focal really felt like on the flowers.
35:54
'Cause I like what guy friendly. I'm like Ben's my guy.
35:56
Like let's go. Oh totally.
35:57
And so he's the best. And so he he was down.
35:59
He was like OK, so so I. Love the people you have around
36:02
you too, yeah? We were fake fighting and I was
36:04
actually like yelling at him. He was so fun and I like was
36:07
throwing his clothes that feels good.
36:09
And he has like a bunch of lizards.
36:10
Like he has a terrarium woman has like he is a zoo of lizards.
36:13
OK. And I just knew what to say to
36:16
get him mad. And I was like, your lizards
36:19
suck. Then I was just roasting his
36:21
lizards. And he was lizards.
36:22
Bro don't. Fucking talk to my lizards like
36:24
that. And so it was just awesome.
36:27
It was so fun. You guys were method acting we.
36:29
Were method acting exactly. I was really getting in there
36:32
trying to trigger him and then we had the flowers.
36:35
So the flowers dying, the people were like how did you do that?
36:38
I get a bunch of flowers right? Shoot ton of flowers.
36:41
I bought flowers like 2 weeks prior.
36:44
Then I bought flowers a week prior.
36:45
Bought flowers 3 days. Girl, you play the long game.
36:48
Because I had to have different stages, you know what I mean?
36:50
And then I bought the day, the day of.
36:52
So I had like fresh ones. And then we had a little bit
36:54
dead, a little bit more, a little bit more, and then like
36:56
super dead. You were so fucking patient.
36:57
I was telling you this other day.
36:58
Like you're so patient of everything because like, I'm so
37:01
opposite. I'm like, I need to get in the
37:02
studio now. I need to do this now.
37:03
We need to shoot this now. We need to do this now.
37:04
Like that's how I am. And you're always like, yeah,
37:07
we're shooting this in a couple of weeks.
37:08
And you're like, no, no, no. I'm like, girl, I would be
37:10
losing my fucking mind. Like I would.
37:11
I hate. Waiting.
37:12
I'm in for the long game, you know, It's like I've been doing
37:15
this for SO. Long.
37:16
You're really chilling Zen. Until I noticed really, I have
37:18
not seen freak out about anything actually.
37:21
Literally. Anything freak out alone he.
37:22
Used to be crazy about it. Used to be a little more eat on
37:26
edge, you know, I think just as a kid you have so much energy.
37:29
So I was just so excited, so much energy.
37:31
Yeah, you're ready to go. But now I feel like I've
37:32
harnessed it and I know how to control it.
37:34
Meditating, really meditating. Love to meditate anywhere,
37:39
literally anywhere at the club. There you go.
37:41
And yeah, I think that's, and I just see it as a long game, like
37:44
I'm going to do this for the rest of my life.
37:46
Like there's no, there's no rush.
37:49
It's like, where are we rushing towards rushing?
37:52
Towards the end. Such a rush right now with my
37:54
things. The rush, you know, it's like.
37:56
I feel like I'm getting old. You're not getting Oh my God,
37:58
stop. Don't even say that.
37:59
I hate that. I feel like that's it.
38:01
Like I have, I have like a year left to pop stardom and I
38:03
haven't started. So I'm like.
38:05
Are you kidding me right now? I don't know, that's how I feel.
38:08
You're so young. Stop.
38:09
You. That's how I feel.
38:11
So much, by the way, see all the pop stars getting Grammys in
38:14
their like mid 30s. Like, are you kidding?
38:16
You're right, you're right. Stop.
38:17
Oh my God, You have to have skin in the game in time.
38:20
It's like, it's so important. They say it takes 10 years to
38:23
make an overnight success. Sabrina like a Chapel, you know
38:26
what I mean? You're so right.
38:27
Honestly, guys, I just want to say too, like Taylor has been
38:30
such a great like friend and like, like I go to her 'cause
38:35
I'm so new to like to make the music and doing everything and
38:38
I'll, I'll text her and be like, I'm literally fucking freaking
38:40
out and like what has happened? What?
38:41
And then she'll be like, it is so normal.
38:43
She's like, she'll give me advice, she'll listen to the
38:44
demos. And I'm like, thank God, I'm so
38:47
happy I met you. And the fact that you actually
38:49
listened to the demos too, because I could tell when I send
38:51
it to people and they're like, Oh yeah, that's good.
38:52
I'm like, you don't care. I feel the same way.
38:55
I hate sending people my music. I don't do that.
38:58
That's why when you send it to me, girl, I'm so invested.
39:00
I'd be like live texting. You like the lyric.
39:02
I'm like, Oh my God, I'm like, oh, this part here, I'm like,
39:04
oh, I love when you did it because I'm listening.
39:06
You know what I mean? Yeah, same.
39:07
It's like I love giving people real feedback.
39:09
That's like deep and detailed, like meaningful, meaningful.
39:13
Exactly like when I play someone's something, a song that
39:16
I write. Especially guys, Oh my God, I
39:19
don't ever show ever. If I'm on a date, if I'm dating
39:22
someone, I don't show them. My music is done.
39:24
Do they know that you're an artist?
39:26
Yeah, yeah. They know I'm an artist, but I'm
39:27
like, I'm not showing my music. I I can't hear the whole like,
39:30
yeah, that was good. I hate that it makes me feel so
39:33
bad like I'm like I want feedback please even if it sucks
39:35
just tell me. I just want to be like, oh, wow,
39:37
that was a great song. That's one of my favourites.
39:39
That's even better. Yeah.
39:40
Or like that's OK. I just hate the vagueness I
39:43
don't like. That I know the ambiguity.
39:45
It's like. Especially when the artist is
39:46
crushing like please. Validate like that was just
39:49
sorry like hours and hours of my life.
39:51
Oh yeah. Oh my God, yeah, a lot of work.
39:53
Real thoughts and. My emotions, yeah, I still got
39:56
it. But that's what I love about you
39:57
because you're so like supportive and into it.
39:59
And I feel like that's like every time you send me anything,
40:01
I eat it up. So I'm like give me more, give
40:04
me more. You'll be sending.
40:05
Oh my God. When we have those nights, we
40:07
have this so often, guys, it'll be so random.
40:09
She'll like text me randomly and I'll be.
40:10
I don't even know what the fuck I'm doing.
40:12
We'll end up talking like really late of the night about all the
40:15
music. This is why I'm like this
40:16
episode. I'm like, finally, this is for
40:18
me. This is an episode for me.
40:19
I want to get into the lore. Wait, I had a quick question
40:22
about the cover art for Dead Flowers.
40:23
I know how intentional you are about your visuals and just
40:25
everything you do. Like can you walk me through
40:27
like choosing the cover art, what your concept or what your
40:29
thoughts were when you did the Dead Flowers cover art?
40:31
Because like it looks like to me, you're like a stop light.
40:34
You know when you have a red light on you, That's what I
40:37
clock. But like, I don't know.
40:38
Like that's why I want to talk about.
40:39
It stop it. I never thought about that.
40:40
I like that though, you know what I mean?
40:42
And it's so pretty. Wait, that's so cool.
40:44
So that was actually on. You wouldn't even know.
40:49
It was like at the top of a mountain.
40:50
Oh, yeah, yeah, top of a mountain.
40:52
Like a hill, maybe, maybe not a mountain, but like a hill.
40:55
And it was in, I think, like Eagle Rock or like Silver Lake.
40:59
Somewhere around there. Like a little sea list like
41:01
around there and it was this hill and it was gorgeous
41:04
overlook. Like you got to see all the
41:06
night sky and it was at night and we brought this red light
41:08
and they just were shining in my face and I had dead flowers that
41:11
I bought weeks prior. And.
41:13
Said RIP 2 And I was holding it and we, we did so many photo
41:19
shoots. So this was shot by Sarah and
41:20
she's amazing. Oh yeah, we did a lot of in
41:23
studio photo shoots. We did.
41:24
I was like in actual flowers. I got rashes.
41:27
All over my guys, this is the cover art.
41:29
That's the cover art. Yes, it's also on the.
41:31
With my dead flowers. And so the blue was like
41:33
actually the black sky, but it looked blue with oh, I love that
41:36
coloring. It looked really cool.
41:38
And that was just the favorite. We had another one that I was
41:42
going to use. Really, what would it look like?
41:44
It was, it was in studio. I had a Band-Aid on my eye right
41:48
here and it said dead flowers and I had little dead flowers in
41:50
it. And I want.
41:51
To see that, I'll show you it show.
41:53
Me after this, I really want to see it.
41:54
Really. Cool.
41:54
And I was going to use it, but I was like something about this
41:58
and the blue and the. Red.
41:59
Felt right the how it felt so melancholy totally because the
42:02
EP so. Melt it reflects it too.
42:05
Yeah, it's. So and my eyes were closed and I
42:07
kind of felt serene. It was like kind of like a
42:09
funeral. Like I felt like I was.
42:11
The stop light's cool though. I feel like I was a little bit
42:13
stopped like. Interesting.
42:14
I don't know. Yeah, I love that.
42:15
That's kind. Of interesting, yeah.
42:17
But I like the lore behind that and then also like I like the
42:20
emotional journey the entire EP takes us on.
42:23
It's a journey, and it's all in chronological order as well.
42:25
Absolutely, because you honestly, it opens with days
42:28
like this. Yep.
42:28
And it's just like you're literally.
42:30
I wish I was. Single you're acknowledging
42:31
you're like, wow, I I do wish I was on this relationship.
42:35
Yeah. And then you go you.
42:36
Take us through it. I wish you cheated.
42:39
You're like, give me a reason. Then I wish you cheat.
42:41
Yes, and then you were in Disneyland for me.
42:43
And then I was in Disneyland for a moment, all alone with my
42:46
brother. Oh.
42:48
My God, you're just sitting here.
42:49
You're like I'm. Just it was like, oh, this is
42:52
supposed to be my boyfriend. It's my brother Jesus.
42:56
And he was like, he doesn't like Disneyland, so it's kind of not
42:59
fun. Oh my God.
43:01
But I love him but. He was looking.
43:03
Out of bed it. Felt it feels like it in the
43:06
song too. It felt like a rainy day and and
43:09
I was like, wow, how do I feel? Like the saddest I've ever been
43:13
at the happiest place on earth. Wow, it's not working.
43:16
Just magic ain't working right now.
43:18
And then this is you kind of clocking everything.
43:20
Yeah, and that song I think is my favorite on the EP Happy.
43:22
Really. I didn't know that.
43:23
Yeah. Oh my gosh.
43:25
It literally makes me cry all the time.
43:27
It's also just like. How did you revisit the CP?
43:30
I don't really listen to it actually really, but when I do,
43:34
it's like really cool. And I'm like, oh wow, like
43:36
because it's been like 2 years, kind of like it's cool to look
43:40
back and like go back into that energy and be like, oh wow, I've
43:44
grown so much. Absolutely.
43:45
And like when you listen to it, I'd listen to it and I was like,
43:50
oh, wow, like I haven't. Oh my God, Every time you send
43:52
me things like we listen to it together, we listen to it
43:54
together, we're like talking about it in real time.
43:56
I'm like, oh, wait, yeah. You're like, oh, that was a cool
43:58
thing I did there. And I'm like, that was a cool
43:59
thing there. Everything is super intentional,
44:02
like every little nugget, every little I I played all the live
44:05
piano on the EP everything like it was just so fun to create
44:10
this like with my team, like with Dion, Alexi, Major, Dre,
44:15
Ben, all of us together. We just we're all artists
44:19
individually and then together we come together, jam out.
44:22
I love that. And I usually for especially
44:25
dead flowers, I already had songs like mostly written at
44:27
home. So I would be at home, right,
44:29
because I just do the best writing alone for really like
44:33
emotional stuff. I can't like pour my heart out
44:36
and. Actually kind of literally
44:38
saying, yeah, it feels like really weirdly vulnerable
44:41
because even though you're acknowledging like, I do want to
44:42
put this out, people are going to hear it, but it's like, I got
44:44
a little shot. And a little vacuum, like let me
44:46
be my little echo chamber. You know 100%.
44:48
And so I was like, let me be in my, you know, little room and
44:51
write my song alone. It's just better.
44:55
But for fun dance songs, fun like fun songs that are not as
44:59
like when. You want to move a little.
45:00
Yeah, exactly. When we move a little, I can be
45:02
with everyone. You're just like, I actually
45:04
like the energy of other people. Yeah, it's fun.
45:06
It helps. It definitely does.
45:08
I think there's a time and space to have like collaborators
45:11
because when it comes to me in my music, it's like I usually
45:13
come into a session with a song literally top to bottom, fully
45:16
written, and I'm not even really flexible at changing any lyric.
45:19
I'm like. Yeah, you're just, you're a
45:20
little rigid. I'm very rigid of my lyric.
45:22
I'm like I said what I said. And I was like, no, Ryan, like
45:25
it's if someone has a good idea and you and you think it's a
45:28
good idea, allow it in. You literally were encouraging
45:31
me. You were just like honestly,
45:32
like it's about collaboration and seeing what's up to you.
45:34
Because I'm very like I am strict with the lyric too.
45:36
Like I used to be the same way, though I understand.
45:38
My mom used to tell me, yeah, I'm going to say this, Mom, this
45:42
is so funny. I was, I remember, I was 14.
45:45
This is my first session ever, OK.
45:47
And I, we traveled all the way to New Jersey.
45:50
So it's like 2 1/2 hours drove to New Jersey and we, they, the
45:55
producer sent me a beat and I'd and my mom was like, you don't
45:58
have anything written. This was the night before.
45:59
You don't have anything written. And I was like, no, like we're
46:02
going to write there. She's like, no, you got to have
46:03
the whole song written. She's like you got homework girl
46:05
and I. Was like, no, literally go to
46:07
work. I was like, oh, shoot.
46:08
So then I wrote the entire song the night prior because I was
46:12
like, I got to show up with something.
46:13
I can't show up empty handed. So I show up.
46:17
There was a writer there. They had the producer there and
46:19
the writers like, oh, like you're excited, like, right.
46:21
And I'm like, yeah, yeah, I have it written Cute.
46:24
They were older. Yeah.
46:25
They were like older and I was 14, so they were like twenties,
46:28
30s. So they're probably like, are
46:30
you excited to sing? Excited, right?
46:32
And they sing this little of me like, oh, you're ready?
46:35
You're ready, I think. That's how people treat me in
46:36
sessions. They're like, oh, you're like
46:38
gonna do it. I'm like, are they always used?
46:39
To treat me like that, Oh my God.
46:40
That's why I had to kind of act like an adult at a young age.
46:43
Absolutely respect, Totally. But so then I showed up with my
46:46
full song and it was called moving it up.
46:50
See, I don't know why move. And then I have a song called
46:53
Move the fuck on. Move is like a that's.
46:54
Right, you do. Little correlation we got and
46:56
now we got to move a little. So I was like saying my, I was
46:59
like, play the beat. I think I wrote something and I
47:01
sang it live, the whole song. And then the writer was like,
47:04
yeah, my job's done. There's nothing for me to.
47:07
Do and I. Was like, oh dope.
47:09
Like we tweaked a couple of sentences and words and it was
47:12
like, oh wow, it's done. Like that's so cool.
47:14
So I thought that was a standard for everything.
47:15
And then I realized, like, no, it's actually kind of beautiful
47:18
to to create something together out of thin air.
47:21
You know, we walk into a room with nothing.
47:23
That's how I felt when I did take it to Hell.
47:25
I was like, like, this is crazy. Like I walked into the session
47:28
and this song did not exist because I didn't have anything
47:30
written for that one. Like I actually was fresh from
47:32
being angry that I was like, this is what I want to write
47:34
about. And then we did it.
47:35
And then I was like, oh, this is crazy because I'm very used to
47:38
just showing up with it. Done.
47:40
Yeah, you. Know what I mean with the whole
47:42
structure and everything? Talked about him like versus pre
47:45
chorus, bridge, all done walk into a session.
47:47
Like now we just produce, you know what I mean?
47:49
But I think exactly like talking to you and learning that because
47:52
like I think there's so many different ways to write and then
47:54
also I should be more open minded to it.
47:56
So like it's so helpful and like I really love that you've been
47:58
doing for so long too, because I feel like I really trust when
48:01
you're telling me like things in your advice, like you've been
48:04
it, you've done it, you're doing it.
48:05
I think now my relationship with writing is like, I don't
48:08
actually actually write it, you know?
48:09
It's like I'm just the the vessel of it.
48:11
Really. But can you elaborate?
48:13
I'm just receiving it totally. So I believe that like a song or
48:18
an idea is like floating in the ether.
48:21
I said the same shit and then. It picks the person or the thing
48:26
that it wants for it to come to a life, you know?
48:29
And so I was like, oh wow, like that song picked me to be the
48:33
person that writes it and sings it, and that's so awesome.
48:34
And if if I don't do it, someone else will.
48:37
You told me that. You know, and it's like Michael
48:39
Jackson said that once about like Prince and he's like, I got
48:41
to do this song. Prince is going to do it.
48:43
I just love that saying and I. Was like.
48:45
That really makes sense because we are all connected.
48:49
We're all like one. That's just what I believe.
48:51
And it's like, OK, cool, if I don't write this, someone else
48:54
will and someone probably else has, you know, it's like that's
48:57
why there's so many similar. Songs like.
48:59
Nothing is truly kind of like original, but it's original to
49:03
us. It's it's original to our
49:05
interpretation. 100. Percent And so that's why I'm
49:08
like, you know what? It's for the best of the music.
49:10
It's not even for the best of my ego, not the best of my career.
49:13
It's like this is the best for the song because it deserves
49:16
justice and it deserves like the best that everyone can.
49:20
And if this person that's not me has a better line or has a
49:23
better melody, I put my ego aside.
49:26
You. Know yeah, I think I'm learning
49:27
that right now like, you know Nathan tells me that all the
49:29
time TV is like and my producers are always like you got to do
49:31
what's best for the song and I'm like but this is mine and I'm
49:34
like I should be the one who does all of it but it's like a.
49:37
Child like you can't be like a helicopter.
49:38
Parent, you know, No, I know you have to kind of like you.
49:40
You have to do what it needs to thrive.
49:42
You know what I mean? And that's kind of what I'm
49:44
learning too, because I could get really precious about
49:46
things. And I actually think you told me
49:48
to like to not to be too attached or precious with the
49:50
songs either because you're going to make so many more, you
49:52
know? And like, that's such a crazy
49:54
concept for me to learn too. We'll get into it because.
49:57
You don't have to release every song you make, you know?
49:58
Yeah, and. You're probably not gonna.
50:00
No, Yeah, but like you can release.
50:01
Like please release. You know, there was, it took me
50:04
a while to like get over myself and like actually release
50:08
because I think growing up it was like so many people in your
50:11
head like. Yeah, and your really don't
50:13
really don't really like you have to wait, you need this and
50:15
you know. A label you got to get signed
50:18
and da da da da. And now it's like.
50:20
No fucking I'm gonna do. It you need anyone like you can
50:22
do it yourself. Like yeah, I upload every song
50:25
myself. I've uploaded every single song
50:27
onto the distro. Yeah, I'm a little tech.
50:30
This is you. You should be plugging.
50:31
It. In I'll be putting all the
50:32
numbers in the UPC, the ISRC like.
50:35
Yeah, you'll be doing it. Yeah, I don't know any of that.
50:38
Damn. I'm.
50:38
I'm gonna hit you up when the time comes.
50:40
Yeah, let you know it's a little difficult.
50:42
Sometimes Oh shit. OK, fuck it.
50:44
Well, honestly, you have been releasing and you released a lot
50:47
of songs last year in 2025, so I'm going to talk a little bit
50:50
of those because one of my favorite songs of yours ever Not
50:53
going to wait was one of your 2025 releases.
50:54
Actually thing was your first one for him last year.
50:56
Yeah Oh my God, it's so good in your ad libs at the end you go
51:00
the fuck off. I'm a.
51:02
Big gong gong gong. Oh, off, girl.
51:04
And then you release the acoustic version of it at the
51:05
end of this, the end of 2025. Yeah.
51:08
And it's so beautiful, but I love not.
51:11
Gonna wait. Oh, that's a special.
51:13
It's one of my favourites by you.
51:14
I have a favorite guys. It's not out yet, but as far as
51:17
what's out, not gonna wait, obviously move a little, but not
51:19
gonna wait, love, not gonna wait and I love.
51:22
I hope you heal 21. Roll the dice is so good too.
51:26
Oh my God. Fucking great.
51:29
But it's so good. So you were dropping these songs
51:31
and they're not the 2025 singles which I just mentioned.
51:34
They're not going to be a part of this upcoming project,
51:36
though. They.
51:37
Are not Yeah. So they are standalone little
51:40
Nuggets that people get to have. I kind of wanted, I wanted to
51:44
see how to get over the, like, fear of putting out music.
51:48
I was like, you know what, let me just drop a song every other
51:50
month and I did it. We dropped 656 songs last year.
51:54
You know, I was like, let me just put it out.
51:57
It doesn't have to be attached to an EP.
51:59
It doesn't have to, you know, it's fine.
52:02
Just put it out, you know, let it live and it will find its
52:05
people. Find the ears that are meant to
52:07
hear it, you know, because I feel like some when you write a
52:10
song or when someone makes a song, it's like there are people
52:12
out there that are dying to hear it.
52:14
Absolutely that are like needing to hear that message.
52:16
Like I feel the same way. Like.
52:17
You're right how it's going to connect.
52:18
Sometimes I hear a song and I'm like, Oh my God, they just,
52:20
like, spoke exactly what I needed.
52:22
And they just took pages out of my diary.
52:24
Like, that's exactly what I wanted and that's all I want for
52:28
others, you know, It's like, yeah, to.
52:30
That's why you gotta put it out. See what happens.
52:32
Just see it like fuck it. Who cares?
52:34
I think people are scared of flopping.
52:35
Yeah, who gives a shit, you know?
52:37
Oh my God, it's like you said, it's like it's 10 years to like
52:40
be an overnight success anyways. I think like I used to have that
52:43
fear too, because I've always wanted to.
52:44
Do that lush life for. Example.
52:45
Oh yeah, 10. Years.
52:46
This was a song 10 years exactly 2016, literally forever ago, and
52:50
I remember it was my favorite. Oh, I love lush life too.
52:53
Yeah. Oh.
52:54
My God, I remember it used to play in the middle of like teen
52:57
Nick shows and I was like, who is this?
52:58
Girls are like I've been obsessed with her forever.
53:00
Seriously, my girl. And I just love that so many
53:04
nostalgic songs are having revivals, you know?
53:07
And it's like you never know when a song is going to blow up,
53:09
what song is going to pop off or when it's going to find its
53:11
people. So it's like, just put it out.
53:13
Why not? You know Joe's DJ OS song and
53:16
the Beginning just went top 10 this week and it came out in
53:18
like 20/22/2021. Wow, isn't that crazy.
53:21
That's crazy. Like.
53:22
Really. Pink Pony Club.
53:23
That was like years. Seven years, like genuinely,
53:27
like she got dropped from her label.
53:28
I know, and then she like this whole thing happened.
53:30
That's so crazy. That's the thing, like I think
53:32
for me, like I wanted to put out music too, but then I was like,
53:35
I don't want to flop. That's super embarrassing, but
53:36
at the scene I'm just like fuck it, whatever anymore, who cares?
53:39
Like we just fuck it, we fall of.
53:41
Rejection, the fear of like, flopping like it's done.
53:44
We're done in 2026, no. We're just going to do it.
53:46
Just do it. Do it with fear.
53:47
Do it with fear. Fuck it, Who cares?
53:49
Absolutely. You know, it's, I don't know, I
53:51
think, I think with this next era of music, I feel so
53:56
different. Like I feel so fearless.
53:59
I feel so much like my younger self.
54:01
I feel like I'm 15 again, like starting music.
54:03
Again, regained that confidence that you felt like you were
54:06
losing during dead flowers. 1000% I feel like I've returned
54:08
home to myself and I just feel like powerful again.
54:14
Yeah, I I feel really. Like you're really ready.
54:15
Conviction in everything I do. 100%.
54:18
And I'm so proud of this next music.
54:20
Like Move a Little is just the start of the era, yes.
54:24
But this new music, you heard it.
54:26
I love it, I'm obsessed, I'm so ready for it to come out.
54:29
Y'all Like genuinely even we'll move a little.
54:32
Which came out January 8th. I was counting down the days
54:34
like a stream on Spotify and I'm so excited about it.
54:37
It's the first offering from this project.
54:40
But well, I want to talk about Move a little.
54:41
So this is the first single off this upcoming project and I love
54:44
the project. I'm so excited about the song
54:46
and the music video is so crazy. Thank you.
54:49
Wait, can we talk about it? You're literally, literally in
54:52
an in motion moving truck. Yes.
54:54
I was like, let me challenge myself.
54:56
You're like, I always want to challenge myself.
54:59
Yeah, this was so insane, the way this came about.
55:02
I was meditating, of course, goes back to the meditating
55:05
guys. There you go.
55:06
I was meditating because I really wanted to come up with
55:09
some cool ideas for move a little and in the visuals.
55:12
It could have been cool if I was in a club or a bar and just
55:15
dancing and stuff, but I feel like that's like predictable,
55:17
you know? I always want to try to
55:19
something out of sight, something I.
55:20
Actually bought this is super camp.
55:22
Thank you. That means a lot.
55:24
Yeah. So I was meditating after my
55:26
meditation, hopped on Pinterest. We love Pinterest.
55:29
And I was scrolling through different pins and I saw this
55:32
photo of like a logo on the back of a truck.
55:35
And it just like, clicked light bulb.
55:37
I was like, wait, move a little moving company, let me be in a
55:44
truck and so. And.
55:47
Then move a little truck. And I just had this vision of
55:49
like move a little as like a moving party company.
55:53
And I was in this truck kind of putting these boxes in this
55:57
truck and then I could like sing on this truck and then it would
56:00
kind of like move places and whatever.
56:03
We didn't have enough. We couldn't really do like a
56:05
party at a certain location, you know, but we did the best we
56:08
could. Girl, it was a party.
56:10
It was a party. You took us to the club in that
56:12
truck. In the truck exactly and it was
56:13
moving so we I. Told my.
56:15
Mom, the idea, I was like, mom, we got to figure this out.
56:17
We got to find a truck. She how are we going to do this?
56:19
I'm like. We going to do it.
56:20
We going to figure it out, see it, it's going to happen.
56:23
And we were calling different places to rent a box truck and
56:27
they wouldn't rent on Sundays. So we needed to shoot it on a
56:30
Sunday. And to shoot it on a Sunday
56:32
you'd have to rent it like Saturday through Monday.
56:34
So we would have to have this box truck for like 3 days to
56:37
figure out how to park. It and my mom.
56:38
Would drive it like it just wouldn't have worked.
56:40
So my mom saw this like truck outside our apartment.
56:44
It was a moving truck. She was like why aren't we
56:46
calling moving companies? I was like genius.
56:49
So she was calling different moving companies.
56:50
She's found this like small moving company that just opened,
56:53
called them up and she just told them what our idea was and like,
56:57
all you have to do is just kind of drive the truck around for
56:59
like 2 hours and we're going to film in the back and that's it.
57:03
And they're like, yeah, that's like the easiest day ever.
57:06
And we don't have to move furniture.
57:08
We don't have to. We just going to drive.
57:10
Yeah. Just, like, drive a pop star
57:11
around whatever, yeah. Driving the truck just floppin
57:16
go over there and you. Did this video.
57:18
Floppin, yeah. Oh my God she hasn't.
57:20
I'll take up her eating shit y'all.
57:21
I don't think I've shot 1 music video where I didn't eat shit.
57:24
I mean, it's kind of a part of the ritual as a pop *.
57:26
I gotta. Eat some shit you had to.
57:28
I just, yeah, I felt. Because the truck was in motion.
57:31
Like actually in motion. The bruises I had after we're
57:33
low. This is not pretty.
57:34
VFX She's literally in a moving. Truck.
57:36
No, literally. So it was moving and what was
57:39
crazy about the shout out at this company, They're amazing.
57:41
I have to figure out their names so I can shout them out because
57:43
they were everything shout out. David, the driver, he was my
57:46
favorite person and they were they kept calling us and we're
57:50
like, Hey, we also have a hot pink truck.
57:53
And I was like, no, no, it's fine.
57:55
We'll see the white like I, you know, the White's fine, we're
57:57
good, we're good. They sent us videos and they
57:59
also sent the hot pink truck video.
58:01
They're like, we want to just send the video as well so you
58:03
can like see what it would look like.
58:05
And after I saw the video, I was like, Oh yeah.
58:07
That's the truck. What we need a hot pink truck
58:10
that's going to pop. Pop.
58:12
And it did. Pop and I was like yeah, let's
58:13
do the hot pink and it was just perfect.
58:15
They had one with like a door on the side so like people could
58:17
enter. It was just perfection.
58:21
Hot pink truck saw it. We put some XS on it so we could
58:23
do VFX for the move. A little logo on the back.
58:27
And I wanted to look really extra in this truck.
58:30
Like I didn't want to look like I'm just, you know, jeans and a
58:33
sweatshirt. You.
58:34
Know I got to look. Full in a sweat, like moving
58:37
truck, like boots. We got the fur and I was like
58:41
sweating my ass off. I was falling.
58:42
I was dancing in a truck, moving truck in heels girl, it was
58:48
insane. And so I can't even walk in
58:50
heels like on the ground, like I'm in a truck and.
58:52
You're in motion. So we're in the truck, we start
58:54
moving and we go filming. So we have like one guy holding
58:59
my friend Sylvan. He's filming it.
59:01
Dion's in there. Oh yeah, you guys were
59:03
communicating on the phone. So mom was in the passenger seat
59:06
communicating with Dion via speakerphone and was like bump
59:09
incoming 3. 21. And she's like, we're turning in
59:13
3-2. And so they're like giving me
59:15
like the cues of like what's going on with the road.
59:17
So I got to brace myself. So I like start squatting and
59:20
like also look hot and serve at the same time.
59:22
So I'm like, Oh my God, there's so much going on.
59:24
My brain was like, and then there was a strobe light.
59:26
So then we're like, let's turn it up a gear.
59:28
You're over to me. Strobe light in a moving yeah in
59:32
the heels with bumps and it was the bumpiest Rd. in Hollywood.
59:35
Why? Girl.
59:36
And then the cars were honking at you.
59:38
Cars were honking. Cars were giving us the middle
59:40
finger. Oh yeah, they were pissed.
59:42
Amazon drivers were just like stopping and watching.
59:44
I kind of love that. It's like, guys, we're in LA.
59:46
Have you never seen a poster before?
59:47
What is going? On First off, if I if I saw
59:49
that, I would be kind of intrigued and I wouldn't be mad.
59:53
I'd be like, huh? I'd be jealous.
59:55
I'd be like, I wish that was. Me, I'm like, that's kind of
59:56
cool. Like, hell yeah, it was cool.
59:57
I would film it. I'd be like, who is that?
59:59
But they were so mad. I'm like, it's a Sunday, there's
1:00:02
nowhere to go, come on guys, relax.
1:00:04
But also it was like a one lane St.
1:00:06
Like they couldn't even really go over.
1:00:07
Me really? Oh fuck, 'cause you got some
1:00:10
behind the scenes videos of cars just like they were trailing.
1:00:12
Trailing. Yeah, these.
1:00:14
Poor people. I felt bad, but it was.
1:00:16
Girl, this was all worth it. Yeah, it was worth it.
1:00:18
It was all worth it. And the video turned out so
1:00:20
sick. So sick I was getting Vertigo
1:00:22
from the strobe lights. I bet you were.
1:00:24
Oh my God. Yeah.
1:00:25
Floor was ceiling. All of it.
1:00:27
Oh yeah, 400% ceiling everything.
1:00:29
It was. That's crazy.
1:00:30
It looked so fucking good. It's such a visual master.
1:00:33
Music. Now it's out.
1:00:34
I can't believe it. Guys, go watch this music video
1:00:36
and so sick and she obviously put a lot of blood, sweat and
1:00:38
tears into this, so please check it out.
1:00:40
And I also love the fucking teaser for Move a little that
1:00:43
you did before you even announce the song.
1:00:45
Like taking us back to the early 2000s, girl.
1:00:48
Oh, we're back. Is this what this air is looking
1:00:50
like? I feel it really is.
1:00:52
It's like I want it to feel like a mixture of Y2K and futurism
1:00:56
had a child. I fucking love that it's.
1:00:59
You're so defined with it too, and it's so clear.
1:01:01
Thank you. It looks so good.
1:01:02
Yeah. I love like Chrome core.
1:01:04
I love like, that's why I got my little.
1:01:06
Chrome, not piercings. Not not real piercings.
1:01:09
Not real piercings. We got to clear up those rumors.
1:01:11
Yeah, all the rumors. Oh my God, so much girl.
1:01:14
So hard. But yeah, I just, I love Chrome.
1:01:17
I'm a silver silver down. Love me some silver.
1:01:20
We need to talk about Move a little like the story behind it
1:01:22
too. Oh yes.
1:01:23
Oh yeah. It's based on a real night,
1:01:24
y'all. Oh yeah, Wild, wild night, you
1:01:26
were. Telling me the other Daniels,
1:01:29
like, when did you get home like?
1:01:31
Like 830 the. Sun was out the.
1:01:33
Sun was out like it was in the morning.
1:01:36
Not PM guys, AM. Yeah, it was insane.
1:01:39
We were in New York, so it all started like the conception of
1:01:43
like this next project that I'm working with really got inspired
1:01:47
when I went to New York Fashion Week.
1:01:49
Last year, your first time. First time.
1:01:51
You look so sickening, by the way.
1:01:52
Thank you your. Looks I love your style.
1:01:54
I appreciate it, I said myself. I love everything about you, but
1:01:56
keep going. And so I went to New York
1:01:59
Fashion Week and just to be around just a different group of
1:02:03
people. Yeah, the energy, the energy.
1:02:05
I also love New York, like going to New York since I was a kid,
1:02:08
but just the energy of New York and how everyone is super
1:02:11
authentic, like extremely individualistic and it's like
1:02:15
it's praised sometimes in LA it feels like people are trying to
1:02:17
like be clones, you know? So in New York it's just like,
1:02:21
wow, everyone is hyper independent and I just love
1:02:23
that. And everyone's so driven and
1:02:25
being in the fashion scene is a scene like I haven't really been
1:02:27
in. And I was like, like, I told
1:02:30
them I sang. And they were like, oh, wow.
1:02:32
Like they were like really intrigued.
1:02:35
When if I say like, I sing, everyone's like, yeah, we do
1:02:37
too. We all sing.
1:02:38
We all sing. I think we all sing.
1:02:40
Exactly. I think we all sing where it was
1:02:42
really cool being like in that scene.
1:02:44
And they were just like, Oh my God, how do you, like, write a
1:02:46
song? And I was like, oh, cool.
1:02:48
I feel like I'm like. And.
1:02:49
You're like, let me tell you. Oh.
1:02:50
My God, cool. And I was like, wait, tell me
1:02:53
how you got into fashion. Like it was just so.
1:02:56
Different. Different scene 100%.
1:02:58
The music was so inspiring. I just soak up different
1:03:01
environments like a sponge. Like that's why I can't wait to
1:03:04
travel. Oh my God, I'm going to like
1:03:06
write out. The projects that come out of
1:03:07
that, it's. Going to be crazy crazy.
1:03:10
I haven't been outside the US yet, which is like.
1:03:12
When you go to Europe and you have your euro pop album, girl.
1:03:16
Girl I need to go to Germany bad.
1:03:18
OK, right. Sweden.
1:03:19
Yeah, I need. I want to go to Sweden so bad.
1:03:21
They make the best pop music. I know.
1:03:23
You know what I lot of these songs in Albania this project
1:03:25
come. On, come on, right?
1:03:27
I'm Albanian as well, so I'm Romanian, Albanian and Greek.
1:03:30
OK, dua lipa. It's like dua lipa.
1:03:32
BB Rexa B. Rexa Rita Ora.
1:03:35
Rita Ora. I love Rita.
1:03:37
Yes, Taylor felt. Yeah, it's with so many.
1:03:40
It's like so much good music. I love Europe.
1:03:42
Yeah, I love everywhere We're. Excited for that project when
1:03:44
you go to Europe. Yeah, but so, well, I was in New
1:03:46
York, Yeah, was inspired by the runway music so much like
1:03:49
electronic runway music. I was just like 4 on the floor
1:03:52
strut just like, and it was so like crunchy and electronic and
1:03:56
glitchy. And I was listening to a lot of
1:03:58
Clam Casino and like FK Twigs and, and I was just like, I need
1:04:05
to make music like this super glitchy, but also this feeling
1:04:09
of nostalgia. Like I've heard the song before.
1:04:11
Like I want it to feel like, like I said, like old meets new.
1:04:16
Can I coin something? I feel like because I've
1:04:18
listened to this project and I love it.
1:04:20
It's like recession pop, but in 20252026, like modern day, like
1:04:25
you really brought it to where we are right now with this
1:04:27
musical landscape. But it reminds me of like the
1:04:30
best era of pop music, which was for me, like there were the 20
1:04:33
tens, the thousands, you know? And that's what you're giving
1:04:35
here. 1000% yeah. Thank you.
1:04:37
Oh my God, that means a lot. Oh my God, that's so good.
1:04:40
That was my favorite era of music.
1:04:42
Me too, we grew up with. It I'm so grateful to grow up in
1:04:44
that. Me too.
1:04:45
And I just wanted to make a project and, and make songs that
1:04:48
my younger self would be so proud of.
1:04:50
Yeah. And she would just freak out.
1:04:53
She's got her. She'd be gagged.
1:04:54
It should be like, wait, what? That's me.
1:04:58
Just growing up listening to like Lady Gaga and Christina and
1:05:02
Britney and Beyoncé and Rihanna and I was just like, oh, I just
1:05:06
wanted to feel like a mod. Podge is like all my favorite.
1:05:09
Absolutely. Artists ever.
1:05:10
And then also just taking so much inspiration from a million
1:05:14
different places. My mood boards go, like you
1:05:16
said, everywhere. Oh my God they're so good.
1:05:18
I'm going to start making mood boards.
1:05:19
Literally, I don't make mood boards for everything.
1:05:22
You do everything. No, like, I swear to God, yeah.
1:05:24
You literally were showing me you were talking about something
1:05:26
else earlier before we shot. I was like, oh, I want to see
1:05:28
you pulled up this like Pinterest board and you had a
1:05:30
million things. I was like, oh, you, you're
1:05:32
ready to go. This is very cohesive.
1:05:35
I was like, oh damn. I have this vision for this and
1:05:38
this and this and this and this and this and this, and I have to
1:05:40
just make it all cohesive, but it's going to work.
1:05:42
Everything you do with this project, the Sonic world that
1:05:44
you built with this project is. So my whole thing as an artist
1:05:47
myself is cohesion and I want everything to make sense and be
1:05:50
in the same world because I feel like my one critique about a lot
1:05:53
of artists right now is like their shit is so random.
1:05:55
It's so all over the place and it's like, I can't, I can't tell
1:05:58
who you are as an artist personally.
1:05:59
Like with these other artists, no one that's been on the show,
1:06:03
of course, but I just mean like in general, I'm like, I want to
1:06:06
know who you are. I want to see it.
1:06:07
And with this project that you have, it is so, so incredibly
1:06:11
sonically cohesive. And it's also like, interesting
1:06:14
and like, surprising. Like Nathan was telling me he
1:06:16
was like, you want to have a project where you're listening
1:06:17
to it and like something comes up and you're like, oh, and
1:06:19
that's why I felt listening to yours.
1:06:21
Yeah, a lot of jump scares and. A lot of things that you
1:06:24
wouldn't expect. Jump scares.
1:06:25
A lot of things you wouldn't expect unpredictability.
1:06:27
I don't want it to. Feel like, yeah, Oh yeah, my
1:06:29
ears can predict what comes next.
1:06:31
Like I wanted to. I also want to keep people's
1:06:33
attention, you know, that's good because I wanted to be like, oh
1:06:36
whoa, what's that little crunchy little Gucci little thing in
1:06:38
there? What's that and everything?
1:06:40
There's a lot of little ear candy Nuggets.
1:06:42
It's so good. And like, they're all catchy
1:06:44
too. Very intentional.
1:06:46
Like, honestly, this project is such a work of art.
1:06:48
And like, as a songwriter, when I listen to music, I tend to do
1:06:51
this where I start, like, predicting what I'm going to
1:06:53
hear next. Like, I'm like, OK, here's where
1:06:54
I think this pre is going to go. Here's where the next lyric I
1:06:56
think is going to be. But with your project, I was
1:06:58
like, girl, I got whiplash. Like, it's giving.
1:07:01
I'm dizzy in the best way, of course. 1000% yeah I completely
1:07:06
agree. It's like, I love feeling a
1:07:08
little on the edge of my seat, not knowing what's going to
1:07:11
happen. I think also, especially in the
1:07:13
age of AI especially unpredictability is like needed
1:07:17
like we need. More human 1,000,000% because
1:07:20
now it feels like it can get into that territory of it just
1:07:22
like what's even really like authentic here anymore, you know
1:07:26
what I mean? And that's what's scary about
1:07:27
the music industry right now too, especially because I think
1:07:29
there are programs that can create things for you, you know?
1:07:32
And I want to see real art and I want to hear real stories and I
1:07:34
want to see, I want to hear real lyrics and like, you know, the
1:07:38
vocals and the voice and the storytelling and then you're
1:07:40
bringing that. Thank you.
1:07:41
Oh. My God, and it's such a good
1:07:43
evolution from dead flowers too. It is this feels like such an
1:07:46
upgrade if a million percent. It also feels like really
1:07:48
confident. I was talking to it is everyone
1:07:50
about it. I was like wow, in dead flowers
1:07:52
like you could feel. I was so in in so much pain.
1:07:55
You felt, you kind of. You sound defeated.
1:07:56
You definitely sound defeated. Yeah, and.
1:07:58
I but you reclaim yourself on this new project like even from
1:08:02
the opening to the closing tracks, which is super
1:08:04
intentional, right? It's like you hear that
1:08:06
confidence just immediately open up.
1:08:08
It's so incredible to watch. It's just a reflection of my
1:08:10
real life. Like I feel like I've truly came
1:08:12
home to myself and I'm just like, yes.
1:08:14
And now we see it. We hear.
1:08:15
I'm single, I'm happy. I don't need to mingle like I'm
1:08:18
just single and period. Life.
1:08:20
You were just here to move a little.
1:08:21
Yeah, you were here to dance a little.
1:08:23
Driving. Period.
1:08:25
Because. Sometimes you need that break,
1:08:26
you know, because if you just keep rebound, rebound, next,
1:08:28
next, next, it's like you need a second to meditate.
1:08:32
That's like the word of the day. You literally DM me this
1:08:35
yesterday. You're like, you need to pace
1:08:36
yourself, Ryan. No, Sometimes.
1:08:38
Got to pace yourself. I see.
1:08:40
I think that is me. You're so right.
1:08:41
I didn't even realize that I do. I don't rush things.
1:08:45
Yes, I don't want to rush. You're so chill.
1:08:48
Like. No, I need everything
1:08:50
immediately I. Don't need a microwave dinner.
1:08:53
Totally. You want like chefs kiss?
1:08:56
Cook it. Yeah, let it simmer.
1:08:58
Let's talk about that because you've been working on this new
1:09:00
project for two years now. You've been doing it over the
1:09:02
past two years, and now we're ready to go.
1:09:05
We have the first song which is Move a Little Little.
1:09:08
Tell us about this project. What can you tease for the
1:09:11
Heartfelts? What do we got over here?
1:09:13
I've already heard it. Y'all talking?
1:09:15
About it. Like they've heard it too.
1:09:17
We're like, Oh yeah, the first. Year we were so fucking
1:09:19
annoying. I'm literally.
1:09:20
Like we haven't. Heard when you do this one thing
1:09:23
and like what can you tell us? I have not heard it then.
1:09:26
So it's coming soon, definitely. It's coming this year, it's this
1:09:29
year. The second single is coming out
1:09:32
soon. I'm very excited.
1:09:34
That one is maybe your favorite. That is my favorite one.
1:09:37
I'm not. I'm not saying nothing about it.
1:09:39
This is my favorite one. This is what I want out
1:09:40
immediately. You know what we'll say about
1:09:42
that one? We'll say that we said the word,
1:09:44
the title of the song in this interview.
1:09:46
We did, we did. And you have a good poker face
1:09:49
girl. You do too.
1:09:50
You. Can be on our 21 or something
1:09:52
because I was like we both we both name dropped it during this
1:09:55
I not even a twitch no reaction nothing.
1:09:59
I I was like, wait, we got to say that.
1:10:01
So I did say. The title in this podcast so.
1:10:03
Maybe I'm excited when the songs out let's revisit and be like.
1:10:06
Like, oh, they said it. And we knew.
1:10:09
Yeah, but that second song, Oh my God, the second single is
1:10:12
insane. It's.
1:10:13
So good. It truly is like my childhood.
1:10:16
Dream. Me too.
1:10:17
Song like, I feel like it's the perfect pop song I've ever made.
1:10:20
You genuinely, it really is. It takes me back to that exact
1:10:22
era that I grew up in. And it took me a It was hard to,
1:10:25
yeah. You mentioned that.
1:10:26
Like I just really wanted to to continue to revise and to write
1:10:32
the best. Do you like tweak the song your
1:10:34
musical on a? Lot.
1:10:36
So we had the hook and I wrote the hook first.
1:10:39
I write hooks usually first for everything.
1:10:40
Because I'm like fighting for my life, not to hum it right now.
1:10:42
That's how catchy it is. But go ahead fighting for my
1:10:45
life right now. Go ahead so the.
1:10:46
Hook. I always write hooks first.
1:10:47
I don't know why. That's just like my thing.
1:10:49
So I wrote the hook and then we had the hook for like a year,
1:10:53
like for. A long time.
1:10:54
And then you just left it, left it.
1:10:56
And then one day I was like, wait, pull up that idea, that
1:11:00
hook idea. And then I was like, can you
1:11:02
send me that? I need to like write to that.
1:11:05
So then I was, I wrote some stuff at home.
1:11:07
Then I brought to the studio. I was like, I don't like it.
1:11:09
We did the verse 3 times, did the pre three times, like we
1:11:13
were writing it over and over and over.
1:11:14
And I was like, no, that's not it.
1:11:15
That's not it. I don't like that we reproduced
1:11:17
it many times. We're like, that's not the right
1:11:19
production. And it like.
1:11:20
Took, it took a while to really like mold and we were just like
1:11:24
shaving it off like, OK, wait, that's not actually we need
1:11:27
more, we need less. It was just a work in progress,
1:11:30
and then it came out to be exactly the way we heard it in
1:11:33
our heads when we first. That's the best feeling as an
1:11:35
artist, I. Was like this is exactly the way
1:11:38
I heard. It Oh my God, that's the best
1:11:39
feeling. That's how I feel about Glimpse,
1:11:40
my song Glimpse. But sometimes you.
1:11:43
Work on a song too much and then you lose the energy of it.
1:11:45
You lose the plot, you know, I mean, and so whenever we lose
1:11:48
the plot, we're like, Nope, let's go back to square 1 and
1:11:50
like try to that energy back. It really is a perfect pop song
1:11:54
too. Also guys, I'm so annoying about
1:11:58
this, but it's so clever and well written.
1:12:00
Just as a writer when I was, I literally was like, I fucking
1:12:02
wish I wrote this. I fucking I actually, I quoted a
1:12:06
lyric in this. You clocked it.
1:12:07
I I quoted a lyric, my favorite lyric in the song.
1:12:10
It's so clever. I'm like, I'm actually kicking
1:12:12
myself. I didn't think of that myself
1:12:14
because I actually told my producer that lyric.
1:12:16
He was like, that's genius. I was like, Oh no, that's that's
1:12:18
not mine. Like we.
1:12:18
Can't do that. It's not.
1:12:19
Mine. It's not mine, But isn't it
1:12:21
good? Oh, thank you.
1:12:24
Oh my God. That's the biggest compliment
1:12:25
when someone's like, I wish I wrote it.
1:12:27
There's so many songs I'm like, I wish.
1:12:28
Oh my gosh, yeah. I also wish I wrote another song
1:12:31
on your thing. I'm not going to say it, but I
1:12:33
love that one. I can't.
1:12:35
I can't even. Can't even like.
1:12:37
What I think the opener is, I'm not sure if you change the track
1:12:39
listing, but yeah, I know the one I always text you randomly.
1:12:42
Yeah, yes. Love her.
1:12:44
Sorry I'm so annoying. I love.
1:12:45
You're going to hear all of it. You'll get it.
1:12:46
You're going to. Love next era.
1:12:47
It just feels so special, you know?
1:12:49
It's like, wow, we're here to to dance, have fun, enjoy life.
1:12:54
Yeah. Love.
1:12:54
There's so much love in this EP. There's so much love in these
1:12:57
songs. It's such a contrast from dead
1:12:59
flowers, it really is. Genuinely where I feel like dead
1:13:01
flowers are so much and you still.
1:13:03
Have moments on this project that really feel so vulnerable
1:13:06
still, you know, like towards the end and Oh my God and how
1:13:09
this album, this project closes. Not an album, guys, sorry.
1:13:12
This project closes. It's like, it's so gorgeous.
1:13:15
Thank you so good. And then I'll come back for the
1:13:17
EP obviously and we'll yap and we can talk all about it and.
1:13:20
We got a single one. You know what I'm?
1:13:22
Saying so real quick question about this project.
1:13:24
So would you say move a little is like what a good taste of
1:13:27
what we can expect with this? 1000% I think it's the perfect
1:13:31
first starter appetizer for this EP.
1:13:34
Hell yeah yeah. It's like.
1:13:35
Guys, we're going to move a little.
1:13:37
We're moving a little. There's a lot of Move a Little
1:13:39
moments in here, too. I think Move a Little is just
1:13:41
the perfect one, but it started that song Move a Little.
1:13:44
You really take us to the club on this project.
1:13:46
We do go to the club you'll be taking us.
1:13:49
So that club, why? Why?
1:13:50
It's like the club vibe was because after I went to the New
1:13:53
York Fashion Week boom, then I was like Dionne, we need to go
1:13:55
back to New York. Me and Dionne, my creative
1:13:57
partner, we went to New York, had the most craziest night out
1:14:02
in like it was truly like a movie.
1:14:04
You were out. I was out.
1:14:06
Like out Boots. I was we went to this cool punk
1:14:12
show that I found and it was like, so I love going to little
1:14:15
shows and like seeing artists. It's so inspired.
1:14:17
Then we met these random people, went to this dive bar, ate
1:14:21
pizza. Then we went to this other after
1:14:23
hours joint. We met these cool waitresses.
1:14:25
They're like, oh, come with us to this after hours joint at
1:14:27
4:00 AM with waiters and waitresses.
1:14:29
You just got to look like a waitress.
1:14:30
I'm like, OK, I'll figure it out.
1:14:32
We go to this high rise in New York, no clue where I am.
1:14:35
We just hop in their Uber. They're like come in.
1:14:36
I'm like, OK, you're. Like fuck it, we're going to
1:14:38
move a little tonight. Exactly.
1:14:39
We're in this high rise. It's 4:00 in the morning.
1:14:42
It was a club like this penthouse turned into a club
1:14:46
with like tables and and bar service and everything.
1:14:48
I was like, what? We were there until 7:30 in the
1:14:51
morning. Oh my God, girl.
1:14:52
And then we went to the bagel spot that we had the day prior,
1:14:55
in the same clothes, same clothes, and the guy was.
1:14:57
Like he clocked. It oh, good morning.
1:15:00
I was like, no, it's good night. It's good night.
1:15:03
This is actually our last stop. Yeah, we're.
1:15:05
We're going to sleep. That is so crazy.
1:15:07
And that's what like kind of stemmed move a little and we
1:15:09
went back to LA and Dion already had like most of the song
1:15:14
written and done. It was insane.
1:15:15
That's. Like a first time for you too.
1:15:16
Which is crazy. Usually I'm the one bringing the
1:15:18
songs in, you know? So it was so cool that he, like,
1:15:22
he knows me better than anyone else, to be honest.
1:15:24
And so I was like, dude, this is exactly what I've been yearning
1:15:28
to make. And then we finished it together
1:15:30
and it was, it's just a bop. Oh my God.
1:15:32
Also guys outro. Yeah, that was my last minute
1:15:36
decision. That was like literally a couple
1:15:38
months ago. I was like, wait, we need outro.
1:15:40
The song's too short. Wait a minute, can I tell you
1:15:42
that? Like honestly, if it didn't have
1:15:43
it, I would have felt that way too.
1:15:44
Like as a song, from a songwriting perspective, when I
1:15:46
listen to it, I'm like it gives the final punch it needs.
1:15:49
Mm hmm. Jesus, I want it to feel like
1:15:50
we're drunk and spinning. Oh my God, yes.
1:15:52
And it gets distorted and it gets like deeper and.
1:15:56
There's a voice memo of me in the back.
1:15:58
Wait, I didn't clocked. I didn't clocked that.
1:15:59
What is it? Yeah.
1:16:00
I mean, you gotta listen close. It when you're like, you like
1:16:03
pitch. Your voice.
1:16:04
I laugh and it goes ha ha ha ha ha ha and then it goes Gen.
1:16:09
Z turn off D and. DD&D, you did tell me this.
1:16:14
I said, I said turn all the Gen. ZS, like stop putting D&D on or
1:16:18
something like that. Like with D&D 'cause I was
1:16:20
working with this guy, he's a Gen.
1:16:21
Z, I'm Gen. Z, Gen.
1:16:22
Z. We love Gen.
1:16:23
Z. And he just kept having D&D on.
1:16:26
I was like, bro, I'm trying to call you, I'm trying to text
1:16:28
you. We're trying to work.
1:16:29
We're. Trying to work a little a.
1:16:30
Video We're trying to do stuff like totally dude, turn off D&D,
1:16:33
bro. Like, I understand D&D at night
1:16:35
completely, but this is during the day we're working.
1:16:38
I feel that. Way I hate that trust.
1:16:40
Me same as these. Oh my God, I love an Easter in
1:16:42
the sun. You know, I know it's so
1:16:44
annoying because I'm always trying to work too.
1:16:46
I'm like, I need you to answer right now.
1:16:48
I feel like I'm really good when people text me then I'm like.
1:16:50
Me too. You are really.
1:16:51
Good. I'm good at it.
1:16:52
You're. So.
1:16:53
Fast if I see it, I'm on it like I'll respond because if I don't,
1:16:55
I'm not going to respond like I'll just it's going to go away.
1:16:57
You know what I mean? So I told I'm on board with
1:17:00
that. We love that outro then.
1:17:02
I love it. OK, that song is so good.
1:17:03
All of it's so good. We're going to get more into it
1:17:05
when you drop this project, and it's coming soon as we said.
1:17:09
But until then, we're streaming. Move a little.
1:17:11
Y'all watching the music video? Oh yeah, we're doing the move.
1:17:13
A Little challenge Taylor and I have been doing, yes.
1:17:17
We have such a cute dance that we've been doing.
1:17:19
We've been doing it at the bars, We were doing it everywhere.
1:17:21
Like it's so easy. Fun, I know, I love.
1:17:23
It I know if you want a little fun, dance with your friends
1:17:25
into pretty. But it's cute.
1:17:27
Move a little. It's a perfect pregame.
1:17:29
It's a perfect pregame. Oh my God, I want to go out
1:17:30
again. We got to go out again.
1:17:32
We do. We were celebrating the release
1:17:33
and move a little girl. That was we.
1:17:35
Had a night. It was a night she met scene in
1:17:36
the club. It was we were lit girl.
1:17:39
I was ready to go home and then some guy approaches us and then
1:17:42
you're like where? And I was like oh I'm going home
1:17:44
because he was like where y'all going after this?
1:17:46
And I was like I'm going home and you're like do you have
1:17:48
something else? And I was like, bitch, I'm going
1:17:50
home. No, we weren't going up.
1:17:53
I mean, I I wasn't going to go out with more.
1:17:55
I was done. I was done.
1:17:57
I was trying to help him. Did I think of what places I
1:18:00
could tell him? Because he was asking like, oh,
1:18:02
what are some other after hour joints?
1:18:03
And I was like, I don't know. Girl, my my house as in like,
1:18:07
we're going to bed, we're going to bed, we're going to bed.
1:18:09
OK Taylor, you have given me such good fucking advice just as
1:18:12
a friend of like everything with me leaning into making music and
1:18:15
everything. But now we're going to see how
1:18:16
good how good you are at advice for the.
1:18:19
Besties. Oh, I love it.
1:18:20
OK. Cool.
1:18:20
OK, so this is our segment, WWADGD.
1:18:23
What did the Lulu girl do? Some besties have submitted some
1:18:25
questions and they want our Dulu advice on it, What we think they
1:18:29
should do. You're ready.
1:18:29
I'm so ready. Do you think you're good at
1:18:31
advice? I I think you're good.
1:18:34
At I think you're good at advice I.
1:18:35
Appreciate. It I think I'm kind of bad at it
1:18:37
because I'm kind of messy and reckless, you know, but.
1:18:40
Like you are a little messy but like I like it.
1:18:42
I'm messy boots. Oh, I'm messy boots.
1:18:44
You you know, it's all for the plot we're.
1:18:47
Going to get into some questions.
1:18:48
OK so here's our first one from Anonymous bestie.
1:18:51
So I very obviously like my boyfriend more than he likes me
1:18:54
and he doesn't really match my energy.
1:18:56
What should I do? What do you think?
1:18:58
Bye OOP, break up boots. Break up boots.
1:19:01
I don't know. I don't like when people can't
1:19:03
match your energy. I think.
1:19:04
That's OK. Wait, I take it back.
1:19:06
I think if you're opposites, that's fine.
1:19:09
Like if he's like super chill and introverted and you're like
1:19:13
extroverted crazy, you know, I feel like there is a, a balance
1:19:17
to that where it's like, yeah, you're like he's keeping you
1:19:20
calm. He's like chill and you're a
1:19:21
little crazy. It's 'cause.
1:19:22
He like communicating that he really does care about you, like
1:19:24
you know what I mean? I don't have nonchalant people.
1:19:26
Exactly. I don't like when people are
1:19:27
nonchalant. I don't.
1:19:28
I'm not nonchalant. I hate nonchalant.
1:19:30
I hate. I'm chalant as fuck yeah y'all
1:19:33
like literally it reflects in my music.
1:19:35
I'm so chalant. 1000% yes. Yeah, yeah, I can't do
1:19:37
nonchalant. I hate that so much.
1:19:38
I. Don't like that I don't jail.
1:19:40
The whole lack of effort is cool.
1:19:42
No, that's so lame to me. I think that's so lame.
1:19:44
And so just be upfront, like tell me how you feel.
1:19:47
Right. Die for.
1:19:48
Me, I used to be with guys that just never complimented people
1:19:51
or me and I was just like, why? Compliments are free.
1:19:54
I love company so fun like I don't.
1:19:57
Know and it's. Authentic.
1:19:58
It's like it's a thought in my head.
1:19:59
Why not say? It just say it.
1:20:01
That's interesting. Well, you dated guys who
1:20:03
wouldn't compliment you. Like, would you say your love
1:20:04
language is like words of affirmation?
1:20:05
What do you think? Acts of Service.
1:20:07
Me too. Oh my God, yes, me too.
1:20:10
That's my number one thing. Number one, like if someone does
1:20:13
something for me without me telling them like Oh my.
1:20:15
God, I've Zeta's so many men who have just like done an action
1:20:17
for me just because they did. I'm like, oh wait, I think I'm
1:20:18
in love with you. I just, I love it.
1:20:20
I don't know. I'm also so psychotic about men.
1:20:23
I don't even want to get into it.
1:20:25
I would say honestly, it really depends.
1:20:27
No, I think for her, if yeah, it depends on I don't like someone
1:20:32
not liking me as much as I do. I think that's.
1:20:35
Weird, I would prefer if my boyfriend liked me more than I
1:20:37
like. Him I agree.
1:20:38
I'm like it should be. You should be obsessed with me
1:20:41
like I should be a little concerned, I think.
1:20:43
I don't like obsession. I've had some weirdos.
1:20:44
Really. No way.
1:20:47
I don't. Want someone obsessed because
1:20:48
then it's like scary. It's like, I want someone to be
1:20:51
like, healthily. I don't think I've had partners
1:20:55
who are like obsessed with me like that, but I've definitely
1:20:57
have friends who are like crazy obsessed with me and it is
1:21:00
scary. It's a little I don't like when
1:21:02
it's like, oh, I need you in my life or I'm going to die like.
1:21:05
Oh, wait, I kind of like that a little bit.
1:21:07
Yeah. Die for me.
1:21:08
Tell me that. Yeah, I like it.
1:21:10
I like it when they're like, I can't dream.
1:21:12
Of you suffocating sometimes. Interesting.
1:21:14
OK. I mean, I believe you and I'm
1:21:17
like. OK, like you, you be you.
1:21:18
You're. Like you, be you.
1:21:20
Girl, but I think yeah, if you can't match the energy, just
1:21:22
it's up to your decision, you know, stick with your.
1:21:25
Gut TTTTI think like honestly, like I would need them to be
1:21:29
like a little more obsessed with me.
1:21:30
I've been in I'm honestly, I feel like I'm always super
1:21:33
obsessed with this wolf of a man Like yes, like crazy obsessed.
1:21:38
I was going to say I was like, you're not surprised.
1:21:42
You're not surprised. You'll hear guys.
1:21:45
You'll hear album coming out next year.
1:21:47
OK, here's our next one from another anonymous bestie.
1:21:49
So is it a red flag if he wants to find a relationship?
1:21:52
He doesn't want me seeing other people.
1:21:55
Is he seeing other people? What?
1:21:57
What do you think? Red flag.
1:21:58
Biggest red flag You think? 1 sided like what?
1:22:01
Damn, I'm dumb as hell. I'd be like, yes, I wouldn't.
1:22:04
No, I hate situation ships. I think it's.
1:22:07
So dumb. It's like pick a side.
1:22:10
Man, pick a side. Yes, just commit.
1:22:11
In or out different way. Let's go a. 100%.
1:22:14
It's like pick something I don't like being like in limbo or I'm
1:22:18
just a choice or like second choice.
1:22:20
Such a bad feeling. Like no, that's such bullshit.
1:22:23
I think go in, go all in and it's like just do it.
1:22:25
And if you're not discussing be like, you know what, we're not
1:22:28
ready to settle down. And you also don't want to, you
1:22:30
know, also don't want to like be in a relationship like that's
1:22:32
chill. Tea.
1:22:33
But if you're communicating, if you're just.
1:22:34
Dating meaning like casually dating tea you can be with other
1:22:38
people that's called casually dating if you're dating dating
1:22:41
like oh we are in a relationship you don't date other people.
1:22:44
Right, you have to define it. You really have to define it.
1:22:47
You also you can't have a guy casually date and then a girl be
1:22:49
locked in like doesn't make sense.
1:22:50
That's such bullshit, I really hate that.
1:22:52
I think it's so stupid I. Think it's dumb that is dumb OK,
1:22:55
honestly, yes red flag. I would say run because then if
1:22:59
they're controlling like that already, you got to clock the
1:23:02
you got to clock those red flags early because like, trust me, it
1:23:04
doesn't get better. And I hate to say that, but when
1:23:06
it comes to like men or like relationships or situations like
1:23:09
this, it's like they'll show you pretty early and you'll think
1:23:13
like, Oh no, But then when we're like, did it, No, no, they'll
1:23:16
show you. Don't create a fantasy in your
1:23:17
head. Oh God, I'm so guilty of doing
1:23:19
that. I do that all the time.
1:23:21
Because I think we are such creative people.
1:23:23
We like to create a whole world. We're like, they could be so
1:23:26
good. It's like, no.
1:23:27
They aren't fucking no. Literally in my head I'm like,
1:23:29
Oh my God, we're going to be pop stores together, We're going to
1:23:31
do this together and we're going to go on tour together.
1:23:33
And it's like, girl, let's get a text back.
1:23:36
Let's get that first. OK, so here's another one.
1:23:40
I'm kind of an intense crazy person and I just got into a new
1:23:42
relationship. Should I repress my craziness or
1:23:45
just fully be myself? I don't want to scare him off.
1:23:49
Go crazy. Go crazy, boots.
1:23:52
Crazy boots. I agree like I love.
1:23:55
Yes. Show all your cards, put them
1:23:57
all. Out.
1:23:58
Yes, literally. I so agree.
1:23:59
On the first day I once brought a crystal for the guy.
1:24:02
I wanted to see how they would react to crystals because some
1:24:04
guys are so weird with crystals. Like my ex hated crystals and
1:24:08
was such a judgmental person on that.
1:24:09
You're kidding. So I was like I'm going to bring
1:24:11
a crystal. I'm going to give him a crystal
1:24:12
as a gift when I go on a date. I've given my men crystals and
1:24:16
he was chill. I was like OK cool you one
1:24:18
point. There you go.
1:24:19
I love giving men like rose quartz and shit and being.
1:24:21
Yeah, they need it. They need it.
1:24:23
They need some. Doesn't even work by the way,
1:24:25
but whatever, they can have it I guess.
1:24:28
Yeah, I love going full sun crazy.
1:24:30
I think go show it all. Go crazy, I love that.
1:24:33
I think it's good it's going to come out.
1:24:35
Somehow, that's what I'm saying. I'm just like, listen, I'm not
1:24:37
trying to lock you in like 6 months and then like show you
1:24:40
that I'm a crazy Daisy. It's like, let me just be crazy
1:24:41
now. And if you don't fuck with it,
1:24:42
then at least I know. Yeah, Then at least I know.
1:24:45
OK? I agree with you.
1:24:46
I agree. OK.
1:24:47
Crazy. So go crazy.
1:24:50
Go crazy, anonymous bestie. All right, Well, thank you so
1:24:54
much, Taylor, for your advice on that.
1:24:56
So I wanted to ask you, what is your most delulu take?
1:24:59
It could be funny, silly, controversial, serious.
1:25:02
What do you think? What's the most delusional thing
1:25:03
about you? Oh, OK, I think my mind.
1:25:06
I think my delulu thing. I think my one.
1:25:10
Of my most delusional things is that like every vision that you
1:25:12
receive OK is already a reality that exists, right?
1:25:18
And it's like you receive that vision for a reason and it's
1:25:20
like T it's like when you watch a movie and you see the ending
1:25:23
first, like a premonition type thing.
1:25:24
Yeah. It's like, oh, you already know
1:25:25
what's going to happen. You just have to like work.
1:25:28
To get there. That's what I.
1:25:29
Love about manifestation because it's like me too.
1:25:31
You are it re exists. You know the.
1:25:33
Outcome and you have to just release the how?
1:25:35
And just be. And just.
1:25:36
Yes, it's going to. Happen and just continue to like
1:25:38
work. It's manifestation with work
1:25:40
ethic, you know, 100% aligned action.
1:25:43
It's like you already know you're manifesting this or
1:25:44
exist. You're going to have it.
1:25:45
You're going to make it happen now.
1:25:47
Put the work into it. Put that fruit into it.
1:25:49
Meet the universe in the middle. That's what I always say.
1:25:51
I think my Dalulu thing is I always manifest a parking spot.
1:25:54
Oh my God, always. Same.
1:25:56
I'm like, I am going to have a spot right up front.
1:25:58
I see it. I visionize.
1:25:59
I vision it. I'm like, Yep, open spot, wait,
1:26:01
Oh my God, no one's ever said that before.
1:26:03
I literally do that all the time.
1:26:04
I do it. I do it all the time.
1:26:05
Literally I'll. Be out with Brett and then we'll
1:26:06
like get to the location and I'll be like.
1:26:08
Lucky girl syndrome activate. And I'll be like, watch, we're
1:26:10
going to find parking right now and we have parking and we find
1:26:13
parking in the front and we find parking.
1:26:15
It always works. That's my trick guys.
1:26:16
If you're looking for parking, if you live in LA, you need
1:26:18
this. If you're looking for parking,
1:26:20
activate your lucky girl syndrome.
1:26:21
I just claim it out loud. You'll find parking it.
1:26:23
It pretty much always works for me.
1:26:25
I'm a lucky girl. I'll be like I get period the
1:26:26
front spot. Exactly.
1:26:28
Easy, easy. Peasy parking, no parking ticks,
1:26:31
no towing. Exactly.
1:26:32
Oh yeah. If I'm ever worried about it I
1:26:33
put like a orb around my car and I'm like, no.
1:26:36
No tickets, nothing. Oh, you're Woo.
1:26:38
Woo. I am woo.
1:26:40
Oh no girl, no orb. On my car, but maybe I'm.
1:26:43
Gonna start doing that. I'm gonna be like, yeah, my
1:26:45
car's safe, Little. Protection bubble.
1:26:47
OK, I love that. I think my most delulent.
1:26:49
Take is I buy groceries and I think I'm going to cook and I
1:26:54
never I just DoorDash like every day never happens right?
1:26:58
I'm just like, bro, I'll go and get the groceries and I'm like,
1:27:00
OK, this week I'm going to like make this.
1:27:02
And then it rots in my fridge. Yep, literally rots in my
1:27:05
fridge. Yep, that's what's going on in
1:27:06
my fridge right now. Literally same.
1:27:08
Like yeah, like should I order to air 1?
1:27:11
Like I should have just. Thor dashed this shit like damn
1:27:13
it. Exactly.
1:27:15
Oh God, we need help, girl air. One that's so LA.
1:27:17
Wait, how old? I love Air LA.
1:27:19
Do you feel because you've been here a couple years now?
1:27:23
I don't know. I think I'm.
1:27:25
I think. I'm hella LA.
1:27:26
You do love Air 1. You know, I just watched I love
1:27:29
LA. The show, yes, I wish they'd
1:27:30
cast me. Next one next season, please, I.
1:27:34
Think like it, kind of. Allowed me to romanticize it a
1:27:36
little more. I was like, wait, I.
1:27:38
Live here this is. Crazy like Oh my God, I've been
1:27:39
watching now I need to go to more cafes and I need to.
1:27:41
That's our thought when I need to be more of an LA piece of
1:27:43
shit. You know, yeah, totally.
1:27:44
Because I feel like I'm not. I'm.
1:27:46
Such a like hermit. I'm just like in my apartment.
1:27:49
You're so deceiving because I heard move a little when I met
1:27:52
you and I was like, oh, she's going to.
1:27:53
Be down and go out. You have gone out like a
1:27:56
singular time with me since and I met you like a couple months
1:27:59
ago because move a little is really like, oh, go out.
1:28:02
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, when I go out, I go out.
1:28:04
It's just like. It's just when I drink and
1:28:06
stuff, it makes me lose my voice and I always have to sing and I
1:28:08
always have to dance and you know, stay healthy and stuff.
1:28:11
So I'm like, I designate times like to go out and go hard.
1:28:15
Literally I lose my voice. It's the worst.
1:28:17
Oh my God, alcohol dries me out so bad.
1:28:19
I literally. Woke up with no voice today and
1:28:20
I was freaking. Out and I texted Brad.
1:28:22
I was like, uh oh. And I was like, we can't cancel.
1:28:23
What's in two hours like? And he was like, oh, come back,
1:28:26
Oh, come back. Oh, come back.
1:28:27
I'm like, I texted Amina and I was like, I was like, girl, I
1:28:29
woke up feeling like shit. I was like, and she was like, do
1:28:31
you want to cancel? Like I'll see you What's set,
1:28:33
because I was like, we can. We had this plan.
1:28:36
The honey baby. That's right.
1:28:39
You put me on you. Put me on the.
1:28:41
Best. Okay, well.
1:28:42
Taylor. We had such a fun time with you.
1:28:44
I'm so excited to come back when this project comes out, Which I
1:28:47
fucking love this project. You'll you'll all get it when
1:28:49
it's out, but we close out every show by manifesting together.
1:28:53
Oh yes, what do you want to speak into existence right now
1:28:55
here on Delulu And I will say a lot of.
1:28:57
Delulu. Alum end up massively, wildly
1:29:00
successful. Like it's kind of I will take
1:29:02
credit for it because the energy you create 100% they manifested
1:29:05
here and it happens. Yeah, you created the space.
1:29:07
So period. OK, this is going to happen
1:29:10
manifesting. Ready.
1:29:11
Yes, we are manifesting. Going on.
1:29:16
Tour this year, claim going on tour this year, opening up for
1:29:20
someone on tour, headlining and then also headlining.
1:29:24
I think your headlining. I'll open for you.
1:29:25
Can I open for you? Of course you can.
1:29:27
OK, thank. You going to doing?
1:29:28
Festivals. I would love to perform at
1:29:29
festivals. But performing is my love.
1:29:34
That's my favorite thing to do. I love being in the studio, but
1:29:36
performing and being live and really singing live and and
1:29:38
seeing like my music affect people in person and like
1:29:41
singing the lyrics back at you, Like, yeah, that's going to be
1:29:44
me at your shows. By the way, she just had a show
1:29:46
in New York and I couldn't make it.
1:29:47
She was. Opening for Delulu alum Grant
1:29:49
Kinoki. How was that insane?
1:29:52
Oh my God, it was so fun. I wish I was there.
1:29:54
It was insane. It was the.
1:29:55
Best time and so many cool people got to me.
1:29:58
And the. Energy in New York is is next
1:30:00
level. Like the fans are real.
1:30:04
I just love, you know, New York. We're manifesting.
1:30:06
You doing more shows this year? What else?
1:30:07
We got more shows releasing. This EP and it just like it.
1:30:12
Transcending and and being able to like reach the ears that are
1:30:15
supposed to hear it, you know, and to like really help as many
1:30:18
people as possible, you know, and just like send love.
1:30:21
We didn't need like love to just spread all over the earth.
1:30:24
I love it. That's all I wanted to do.
1:30:26
This is such a loving project genuinely too.
1:30:27
It feels so like full of love, you know, it feels.
1:30:29
Very healed and evolved, especially coming from like.
1:30:32
Your previous project which? Was a lot obviously like more
1:30:35
melancholy and like darker but I felt like this really is a love
1:30:39
letter to my younger self though.
1:30:40
It's like me learning. To love myself through making
1:30:42
it. You know, that's such a good
1:30:44
quote for like an article and like for us, we're actually
1:30:46
going to use it for this I. Love it, Yeah, but I think those
1:30:50
are the big one touring. Manifesting the music and just
1:30:53
like lots of health and happiness yes for.
1:30:56
Me and everyone. I love claim claim.
1:30:58
Those are all good, and lots of. Fun nights out.
1:31:02
Invite me please. Parties.
1:31:03
I'm a get the hell out. We're going to move a little
1:31:05
this year. We're.
1:31:05
Going to move a lot we're claiming.
1:31:07
Moving a lottle. I love it.
1:31:10
Yeah, I'm. Claiming all of that too.
1:31:11
Like genuinely especially. Like beginning to release my.
1:31:13
Music and I want a tour really bad even though I want to put on
1:31:16
a show. I have not even performed like
1:31:18
that, but like me and intention whore put me on a stage.
1:31:21
I'm ready. Oh, yeah, you're ready.
1:31:23
Let me open for you. I love it.
1:31:25
I'm good. Thank you.
1:31:25
OK, cool. I'll do it for free so you can
1:31:28
afford it. OK.
1:31:29
Love you. So thank you so much to the Dulu
1:31:32
Besties for listening to this episode.
1:31:34
I hope you loved it. And this was your healthy dose
1:31:36
of Dulu. So now you can go live your true
1:31:38
Lulu bestie. Lulu Taylor.
1:31:40
Thank you for being guest. Where can the besties find you?
1:31:43
You can find me everywhere at Taylor Felt Music Instagram.
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1:31:52
Taylor felt on Spotify, Apple Music, everywhere, everywhere
1:31:55
you listen to music, Taylor felt period, period, Watch her
1:31:58
videos, watch the music videos, watch the visualizers and also
1:32:01
guys. Stream move a little and this
1:32:02
next single it's going to go crazy just saying so get ready
1:32:05
for that we're going to have a pre save hopefully soon get
1:32:08
those boots on get ready to dance.
1:32:09
We're going to go out. You're going to want to go out
1:32:11
to this I'm. Telling you.
1:32:12
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1:32:24
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1:32:26
We'll send you an invite to the party, period.
1:32:28
And you're going to be out all night, apparently.
1:32:30
Better than me? Better.
1:32:32
Than me, I like to be in bed by midnight girl when I go out, I
1:32:34
go out like but it's like it's like a.
1:32:38
Maybe four times a week, Four times a week.
1:32:39
That was crazy. 4 * a month. That was me.
1:32:41
Last week. That was like Oh my God.
1:32:43
Every night out I was like, are you OK?
1:32:45
No, I was not. OK, I was.
1:32:46
Not OK. I was genuinely not OK.
1:32:48
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1:32:50
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