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I Built an AI Fitness Coach That Yells at Me (75 Hard + Real Estate Bots) · The Investor Shed Podcast

• Nick & Jeremy: Welcome back to the investor shed podcast. I'm so glad you're here. I'm Nick Beveridge, and Jeremy is also excited. Welcome, Jeremy. I feel like I'm just as excited as you are, Nick. I know when you got in the studio this morning, you were just bursting with energy. And I'm excited to channel that into whatever this is today. American energy. American energy. By the way, if you're watching the podcast today, like thank you so much for watching. Check out first of all two things. I want you to look at two things. First, Nick's guns. ⁓ Dude's looking pretty fit right now. You're actually looking fair. I'm on day three of seventy five hard. Okay. Well you're looking very good and your shirt is also very American. Getting into it. When we got into the podcast studio, I was like, Is it Fourth of July? Like in in my head I'm like, did I miss a month and a half of my life? We're good. Well, we could wait to put out this episode until Fourth of July if we want. Well, it's already live on Facebook. People are gonna think things are weird if we do that. Nope. Happy to be here. Happy we're ⁓ back recording. And ⁓ we've got a really cool episode. Nick gave me kind of a teaser before we started about we're talking about. ⁓ my god, there's so much. There's so much going on. It will blow everyone's minds again. Yeah. I love it too that like right before you hit record, you're like, where's my phone? And we're using Nick's phone to record the video. Yeah, I'm like, I want to show you what I've been doing this last week with AI. It is so exciting. It is so exciting, Jeremy. Here's what happened. Okay. Okay, we've been talking a little bit about AI agentic models, right? Yeah. And for those that are just tuned in and don't know what that is, it's basically so everyone ⁓ everyone at this point has pretty much heard or played with like Chat GBT and stuff. ⁓ a chat model where you can chat back and forth about stuff and it's pretty smart and you know, it helps ⁓ much better than Google. Even though Google has it now too, programmed in. Is it Gemini they have? It's ⁓ yeah, Gemini. Yeah, yeah, okay. And but it's just built like if you're doing a Google search, it's like It's just giving you the AI version, which is actually really good too. I actually like that too, because it's it's nice to have just like, hey, here's what we scoured and here's what we found, versus me having to try to dig for the information. So now here's what ⁓ less than 10% of the heavy AI users are doing, though. They they've figured out a way to patch together AI agents. ⁓ there are a couple of open source models of and you might be thinking, well, it's an AI agent. ⁓ that is you're it's ⁓ it's like a basically ⁓ an always on machine that you can communicate with ⁓ and you can give it a personal a a personal personality if you want and a name and all that stuff but it's just something something that kind of lives on your computer that can actually take action. ⁓ you can ask it to do things on your computer and it's basically its computer and it can get stuff done for you on the go. A lot of people are using what's called open claw where it's just it extremely customizable Right. Like insanely customizable where it can do tasks for you on the go as you need it to. And you have to it's very tech heavy to set up. But there are AI models that help you set all this stuff up just by talking. Right. Like a what you want. And then all the coding is done in the background with either Claude or now there's Grok build. Okay. Available for Grok super users that pay at least thirty bucks a month. Okay. ⁓ the cool thing about Grok is that it is such an underrated tool for the heavy AI users. ⁓ everybody just talks about Claude and Anthropic, OpenAI, which is Chat GPT, ⁓ Google, which has Gemini, and they are all, you know, frontier labs. Yeah. ⁓ but like just knocking on the door with almost, you know, ninety percent of the abilities and and and pretty close to some others that they don't have. Right. Is Grok. Okay. And Grok is ⁓ Extremely affordable compared to some of these ⁓ other models if you're using a lot of heavy agentic tasks and need to use API calls to do tasks instead of just your subscription. Right. Okay, so that that's where I was gonna ask real quick. So obviously Grok or Grok Super is a thirty dollar a month subscription versus the other ones where you're using credits. Is that how that goes? Well there there's you can use subscriptions too depending on what you're using. So so with ⁓ with open claw. A lot of people in when it first came out, they were using their Claude OAuth subscription to run it. Okay. Basically, they already have a a paid membership of, you know, either twenty bucks a month or a hundred dollars a month or twenty dollars a month. That twenty dollars a month program with Claude gets you such little use, it's a it's a joke and it will cut you off real quick. Sure. Okay. b especially if you're using cloud for most people are using it for coding and stuff and it just gets heavy used real quick and then it kind of shuts you off and you're almost if you're using it for anything other than like one quick chat, right? ⁓ you need to upgrade to like the hundred dollar a month plan or two hundred dollar a month plan where you just have a lot more usage. I I'm on a hundred dollar a month plan and I use it pretty heavily, but sometimes it depending on what I'm building, ⁓ even that can tap out. Okay, gotcha. And that gives you like five times the usage of the twenty dollar a month plan. Crazy. ⁓ but the thing about this is like it's when you're on these monthly subscription plans, you're not paying more. Right. You know, you if you hear some of these people that are using OpenClaw, they're paying thousand dollars a month in API calls. So beyond their subscription usage, they they have ⁓ a token that their tool is using and and they're just paying credits. ⁓ to anthropic are building up these credits and those credits are being used sure like metered. It their usage is being metered instead of the subscription where it just kind of resets and gives you more tokens to use every four hours or so. Gotcha. And that's what a subscription does for the most part. And they're all a little bit different. But like for the most part, you know, if you're using Claude and then you run out, you kind of just got to wait till four o'clock or whatever the time it says and then it's just like then you can use it again. But it's not like it's going to charge you extra unless you need to use it. It's your daily or couple hourly refresh or whatever it is so you don't do a whole bunch of work at once. It kind of spreads it out to make you use the property or use the the software more often rather than like one lump sump if that makes sense. Yeah. It's a good good mar good model for sure to s keep you on the hook. Yeah. I like it. Yeah. So what people are doing early on when these agentic models were available to download for free on their computers, ⁓ were these open claw agents where they they would have, you know, an agent kind of doing pretty much anything they asked it to. On the go and they can communicate through it through iMessage or Slack or Discord or Telegram. Yeah. Telegram's the big one, it's just the easiest one to use. ⁓ and that's what I use for my agents. Okay. ⁓ but the problem I was having when I first set up OpenClaw, ⁓ and I and I I was told Anthropic's the perfect brain to use, and you can use any LLM brain to power an open claw. LLM is like learning language model, is that what that means? A large language, large language company. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Whatever, whatever you want. To power so so your ⁓ the shell is your computer of the agent and that gives it its like ability and RAM to use and and to some bas where to be living and on. If the power's on, you can communicate it with it, yeah, you know, ⁓ remotely. ⁓ but the actual brain, like its function and like following instructions and stuff, would be powered by some sort of AI company. Sure. Or a local model. You could you could just download like a Chinese L L ⁓ like right to your like Quinn ⁓ right to your hard drive if you if you have a big enough RAM capabilities to run it. Okay. Which when I first was learning about this, I'm like, ⁓ dude, I should have another computer with more RAM just so I can run Quinn three point five, 'cause I hear that's like pretty close to the frontier models as far as capability, understanding, reasoning, that kind of stuff. So I was told, ⁓ I should buy one with twenty four gigs of RAM. Yeah. Because that model is about twenty it uses up about twenty gigs of RAM, so this should handle it. But it was not correct because once you actually like it it does use that match, but your computer's also using RAM. Yeah, your computer's using like like twenty five percent of your RAM on any given situation. Exactly, so that was my miscalculation, just not knowing com computers well enough to know that like it was just completely unfunctional. So that one doesn't work for anything. No, no. So I just went back to an API call. ⁓ cool. Okay. So instead of running a local model, I was using d a cloud model. Sure. Which would be, you know, ⁓ either Anthropic, OpenAI, Grok, Gemini, ⁓ there's ⁓ Deep Seek, there's all these other companies that you can use. Yeah. ⁓ but they all have different reasoning capabilities and tool calling abilities and stuff like that. So you really kind of get in the weeds of like for your purpose, what is best for you. Right. Everybody just kinda defaults to the top hop the the top end. Right. And that's what I was kind of sold on initially. Just start using Claude. Yeah. And so I I signed up for my API and I got a credit and I sent it there and like By day two, just having normal conversations, I had spent like a hundred and fifty dollars. Jeez just talking to this guy. Just like getting a plan together. I'm like, it's been two days. I didn't even do anything. I'm like, Yeah, I barely did anything and I and I I'm I haven't scratched the service. I wanna build so much more with this. I'm like, I can't do this. Yeah. I'm like, I can't I can't spend a couple thousand dollars a month yeah having a conversation That's not sustainable for with an experiment. Right, you know. With something that you have no idea of the outcome of, of course. Yeah. But so so and I was using and I had a Grok membership at the same time too. And I was just asking Grok about like my problem. It's like you could just use a Grok API. And I'm like, that's a good solution. Yeah. And it actually worked. It was like how frac it was one twentieth the price. ⁓ so I used my Grok API. And and my bill went from, you know, I was spending ⁓ seventy five dollars a day or so ⁓ to down to like w One to three dollars a day. ⁓ cool. And however, some of the ⁓ the tool calling at the time, this was back in late February, with Grok wasn't the best. Like it was perfect at responding quickly and snappy and did some things, but other times when I needed things done, it would just say it did it, but it didn't. Yeah. Yeah. ⁓ ⁓ and then I found, ⁓ well, Grok has a new model ⁓ that is about one sixth the price. Okay. Rather than one ⁓ rather than one twentieth. Okay. So it's a little bit more expensive. It's more expensive, but this should handle it. And that was Grok ⁓ four point two beta. Okay. ⁓ and so I used that and it was actually working. Gotcha. Okay. ⁓ it actually did everything that like Open II would do or that ⁓ anthropic would do. So I was basically and I was using Claude to help me build out all this. Yeah. But I was using Grok as the brain and it was much cheaper. It was, you know, a dollar to three dollars a day. Right. And then once we started doing heavier tasks and building out my ⁓ real estate systems, I started noticing it going to about six dollars a day. Okay. It's just still pretty feasible. Way cheaper than ⁓ you know, seventy five dollars a day or so. Right. With Claude when I haven't even scratched. If you had to hire an IT person to do this for you for a day, like it's not gonna cost you six dollars a day. It's it's right. This is a multi thousand dollar tens of thousand dollars investments to get all your IT shit figured out, you know what I mean? Yep. Yep. Okay. So, ⁓ and then ⁓ last month Groc ⁓ f four point three came out. Okay. And it was actually Really good. Okay. The API cost went down in half. Okay. Some something like that. It about half. Yeah. and it was better. So I was pretty happy. But I was doing so much more, it was starting to cost me more like six dollars a day still because I was starting to build I was really starting to heavily tr ⁓ you know, I had two agents being powered by Grok. Yeah. one was doing all the back end ⁓ systems of our ⁓ you know, transaction coordinating training. ⁓ and then the other one was doing the front end stuff, like, okay, I got this new contact, put it in the database and put it on my calendar and that kind of stuff. So it's still still kind of in the training phase, but still heavily enriching the database and going through ten thousand contacts and cleaning it up and there was a lot of work being done. Sure. But it was still it was still costing on average just for like really light use between the two agents, about six bucks a day. ⁓ much cheaper than an employee still. I was gonna say hundred dollars a month. Yeah, much cheaper than an employee still, but it's still I knew I'm like, I haven't really even scratched the surface of this yet. With what I wanted. It's mostly doing training. Like I know this is gonna go up, but it's still way cheaper than, you know, a thousand bucks a month with anthropic or two thousand a month. ⁓ so anyway, ⁓ I and then when we would do these batch overnight projects where something would literally take the AI like, you know, six to eight hours to go through every contact and make changes and like, ⁓ I need to connect. ⁓ the spouse and find out who's the spouse and make sure that they have another profile in here and that we can link to it. You know, just enriching the database as much as possible. So it's nice clean info. ⁓ and those kind of projects would like out see my usage and it's like, yeah, that costs about sixteen dollars. But it went through eight thousand contacts and did a lot of good work for 16 bucks. Are you so are you like I hate to derail the conversation here, but like are you are you Really focused on price of this thing, 'cause I keep hearing you be it was ⁓ sixteen dollars, it was this. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. I I'm focused on it because because I want to know obviously like how much is this going to cost long term? Sure. ⁓ and what can I anticipate my actual tech stack to be? And with with everything that's available, how can I how can I make it more affordable but still do more things? Sure. That's what I'm obsessed with is like efficiency. Yeah, yeah. And even though it wasn't a big price to pay, it was still like, okay. Now we you know, we went from a dollar a day, now we're at sixteen, sometimes when I wanted to do heavy usage. Right. Still way cheaper, but ⁓ and I was okay with that. That's an hour for an employee, by the way. That is one hour. You're totally right. No, and I'm still Who's gonna get who's gonna get a fraction of that done in an hour that the machine would get? And I was super happy with the work. Yeah. But I'm still like, how can I make this? Sure. Yeah, yeah. And you should be saying it about And I really couldn't at that point. I was getting like the Almost like a frontier look, Grok four point three is like pretty much on par. And and I asked I even asked Claude if you can compare, run a simulation and compare ⁓ OpenAI's newest model with, you know, Opus four point seven and grok and and then the old Grok and see how yeah, how they all do. And it's like Grok four point three was actually just following it was doing really well and following Now when you say frontier, what what is Frontier? I've heard you say that a couple times. ⁓ a Frontier LLM or model is pretty much just like three P there's like three labs. It's like Anthropic is like a frontier model, like that they have they usually come out with every time they release a new model. Okay, gotcha. This is the best of the best that you can possibly get. Sure. Because there's so many different ones. You know, there's like, I don't know, 10 to 20 different models out there that you can use. ⁓ and then Chat GPT. It ChatGPT and Anthropic kind of go back and forth. Yeah. ⁓ last just a couple of weeks ago, ⁓ ChatGPT rolled out five point five and that just crushed everything, including the codex, and it was just like, you know, much, much better, faster to use than even anthropic. But Anthropic we all knew was had this model that they haven't released because it was for security reasons, mythos. Okay. Like they have better ⁓ yeah, there's definitely and they're just constrained by compute. Sure. But then a couple weeks ago too, the the Elon Musk deal happened where he rented ⁓ he became the landlord and just said, Hey, I've got the two biggest compute, you know, comp like data centers in the world available that we were training rock on. I'll lease it to you. ⁓ and and he was able to do this a multi billion dollar deal with Anthropic, letting them, you know, pretty much letting his competitor just have a free for all for like better compute abilities, be able to lower the prices with people. I think that's a genius move. Like people misunderstand how genius he Because like when you're in the building and the relationship with your actual competition like that, you're only gonna get better. If you see them going, you know, skyrocketing, you're gonna be like, Okay, now I know what I need to do to keep up. And that's just gonna make you push it that much more. Well, there's maybe some of that, but mostly it's because he hates Sam Altman and he wants to see Anthropic win. Anyone but yeah Yeah. He'd rather have Anthropic cr crush. I was ⁓ listening to But he also he but here's the big thing, you know, X AI. Yeah. Is owned by ⁓ SpaceX now. Yep. And and they're about to go public. So by doing this lease deal, like he was able to like up the value of Tesla or sorry, SpaceX by a bunch just by doing this one deal with Anthropic. Because they committed to like forty-six billion dollars of revenue or something like that. Something close to that. There was ⁓ I was listening to the My First Million podcast, and they talk about AI a lot too. ⁓ they were just talking about how much, you know, Elon and Sam Alden hate each other and how petty they are and their emails back. They were like un un spirtling these emails where it's just like they were just trying to one up each other in every single email and I'm like, This is ridiculous. I wanna learn more. Yeah. ⁓ also side note real quick. Can you imagine though, if you were let let's let's say you're a rich guy. Yeah, yeah. ⁓ and this guy that you respect like comes up to you and hand and and you you wanna do a non profit together and you give ⁓ fifty million dollars to fund their non profit. And then you find out that behind your back that they were trying to get you away from the company. ⁓ and then they eventually turn it into a for profit thing and then it becomes even better than what you have. ⁓ yeah. Like that would piss a lot of people off. There's a little bit of salt in the wind there for for for sure. ⁓ and real quick, did I did I hear that ⁓ was it open AI? Did they buy Claude or did they buy OpenClaw? Or was this a Yes they did. They did. Okay. Yeah, well they bought the guy. They bought the guy. That's They bought the guy that made OpenClaw. So so OpenCloud's still its thing, but then they just bought the guy who and Yeah, they made him an employee. Yeah. Basically. So they so they're they're gonna be able to use like what you know and build their own out of the box agentic model. So that will be coming. They basically hired an Elon to come into their company and like r do it better, you know? Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah, so so anthropic and open AI, they kinda like have the best of the best like ⁓ engineers. Yeah. But but these but the truth is that this a these AI models, like they like Almost everybody knows how to train ⁓ Yeah. and X AI is like just right behind them. And I've talked about this before too, but we we we are at that like I feel like we're at that hockey stick where just things get better every single day. There's no like, you know, a model comes out and then three years later a model comes out. Like these things are coming out like daily and weekly, it seems like, with new AIs, new APIs, new new ways to be faster, cheaper, smarter, quicker. You know what I mean? It's ⁓ it's really revolutionary to see. And I know like We I'm kind of envious of you to be honest. Like you have all this time to work on all this. I do. Yes. ⁓ privileged ⁓ air ⁓ spot of my life right now where where I can devote a lot of time AI. And I do. I devote five hours a day to it. I love it. ⁓ just because I feel like it's gonna be so important. I really need to know how all of it works. Yeah. That's just what I believe. ⁓ it's not and it's fun too. Mm-hmm. ⁓ but I believe we we have to know how these work because they are gonna completely take over the economy and everybody's jobs or at least change how we do things. Sure. So instead of just be angry about it, like learn how to use it just adapt for ⁓ for to better your life. Yeah. Anyway, here's the surprise though that we haven't talked about yet. And I mentioned Grok Oath. Olaoth. OAuth OAuth. OAuth. So it's basically instead of using API metering, you know, getting OAuth. ⁓ O auth so like authorization. ⁓ O A U T H O A U T H. Gotcha, okay. So using your O auth. So this is what happened initially with OpenCloud. Let me go turn the clock back. Yeah. Like back in February, everybody was using ⁓ their O ⁓ auth subscription. So basically their monthly, you know, two hundred dollar a month subscription to power their open claws through Claude. ⁓ and that way they weren't being you know, build a couple a thousand dollars a month or two thousand dollars a month or whatever they were spending, it was bored like just capped at two hundred and it was and they're generous with the tokens because they reset every four hours and stuff. Okay. And you get so much when you spend two hundred. ⁓ yeah. ⁓ so a month. Yeah, but it's but once they caught on to what people were doing with open claw and stuff, they banned it. They're like, hey you can't do that anymore. Yeah. So but ⁓ open AI who bought ⁓ Peter who created OpenCloud, they're no, you can use a Roth subscription. So people are then powering their OpenCloud agents and then Hermes another agent too. Okay. ⁓ that's a really good one. So there's like two Hermes. H-E-R-M-E-S? ⁓ H-E-R-M-E-S, I believe. Okay. The Greek the Greek goth the Greek the Greek mythology behind that is like Hermes was the method mess was a messenger. So he was very fast. He had the he had the boots which was allowed him to message. He was the basically the messenger for the gods. So I'm assuming that has like some kind of quick, you know, Yeah. ⁓ and so I've been using Hermes for the last week or so while I built a new bot for a new purpose. Okay. ⁓ but a week ago, OpenClaw and Hermes, all of a sudden ⁓ Grok would now allow people to use their OAuth subscription. Okay. So they're thirty dollar a month to power their bots. And so I switched over ⁓ and it worked. Okay. So now I don't get billed daily anymore. It's just my thirty dollar a month that I've already been paying for. So you went from like a thousand to like thirty to ninety to thirty. To to basically zero because I already had a grog. Right, right, yeah. You're already doing it anyway. Okay. So now I'm powering three bots and doing a lot of work and it's not costing me anything extra. Cool. So that's that's a big thing if you guys want a a hack and it's using the frontier three point f ⁓ four point three yeah like grog's frontier. I use Grok to tell ⁓ my two year old daughter stories about farts ⁓ while we're driving. So like you're like miles ahead anything I'm doing, but it's well I do that too sometimes. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. ⁓ but it it it's pretty it's it's pretty incredible how well it works. Yeah. ⁓ and Grok is so generous with how much data it gives you or tokens. Yeah. And I've never I've used Grok so heavily for the last year. I've never ever run into an issue with d with just my lower end subscription of thirty bucks a month, because they also have like for superusers, like a three hundred dollar a month plan. Okay. That gives you a lot more. But because they they they give you so much at a cheaper price, like I never run out. Right. So I've I still have not had an issue running multiple projects all on this thirty dollar a month subscription. Crazy. ⁓ it's pretty nice. What a time to be alive. Yeah. So we'll see how long that train lasts. Okay. ⁓ hopefully it's still going by the time this episode drops in three weeks. So you might you've got three agents right now. ⁓ can I break it down? So you've got Kyle Reese. I Kyle Reese. Who's your basically back end agent for just the front the front end? Yeah, yeah. So people call. So he can take he can take calls. ⁓ I messed like yesterday I I r sent a referral to somebody and I just sent the voicemail of the referral that I sent to another agent. And I sent and I said, Hey, I sent this to Sarah. Yeah. ⁓ put it in the database and ⁓ it's gonna be a twenty-five percent. Referral. Cool. And ⁓ and then it did. And then I've got the last name later. I'm like, ⁓ yeah, this is the last name from the guy yesterday. Can you update the database? And and Sarah did show the house, but ⁓ they're gonna look at other properties. So just make those notes. Right, right. So you Kyle Race was your front end. You got it was artist formerly known as Raven, which I think you changed her name. Yeah, so so since she's going to eventually be speaking to title officers and lenders and people, ⁓ you know, people in the back end industry what once a transaction is running. ⁓ I wanted her to sound more like a normal person. Sure. So I thought Katie Bennett. That's right. Yeah, yeah. Katie Bennett. Katie Bennett is the new name. Raven was the idea when I first made that bot to be able to just do research for stock investing. Right, right, right. ⁓ and it by the way, these bots are coming up with their own names. Right. I've just I let them have a little bit of freedom. ⁓ so I'm sure that means a lot to the computers when the when the revolution comes. Sure. It's it's it's fun. It's it's important not to get too crazy about the personality, but it does help you ⁓ stay engaged. And it's like it's just it's just a different experience than talking to ⁓ something with no name. Sure. Yeah, and I agree. Just a back and forth, like ⁓ I don't know why why that is, but it just seems to work better. And then I do want, you know, potential clients, title officers, ⁓ lenders, all those people. To eventually kind of think that these people on our team are real. Mm-hmm. Even if we have to disclosure in the email that this is an AI assistant. Right. ⁓ you don't have to disclose until they ask, by the way. If somebody asks, it does have to be honest, like, yes, I think they're a voice, but ⁓ of course. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. ⁓ but we don't want to intentionally mislead anybody. Sure. ⁓ but we also don't want to have their experience be so blah. Right. We want it to actually have a little personality. Sure. Because we can. You can program in a personality to these things and have the each thing have its they're they're aware of their name, they're aware of their situation, they're aware of what they have to do every day. Yeah. ⁓ because they have the proper MD files baked in their souls pretty much. And there there's these actual when you see how they're laid out, they they do have like souls and instructions and all these and they're basically just markdown files of how they operate. Right. So anytime they are engaged, they just quickly skim through all that and then go. Standard operating procedure, right? Like they just hit it and go. ⁓ so anyway, that's the that's the exciting part was a week ago I found out holy crap, I can do everything I'm doing with not having to have any kind of anxiety of ⁓ crap, is this thing just costing me six six dollars or six is it eventually going to be ten dollars or twenty bucks a day? Mm-hmm. ⁓ and is it 'Cause for now is it just a toy or is it actually useful? You know, you kinda struggle with that back and forth in your mind and then it's like, ⁓ okay. Now it's just all covered with something I already pay. Yeah. I don't have to worry it and I can use it as much as I need to. That's super cool. It's a cool it's a cool experience. ⁓ so then I I wanted over the weekend I thought of a new idea because I was I've been getting pretty out of shape for the last couple of months. Like I've gained it happens. Yeah. Especially this time of year, like when we all just start to get busy and our health starts to decline. I am guilty of it too. Like, yeah. So so what did you make you? So so I made an AI coach. Okay. ⁓ that would coach me through the 75 hard. Cool. And but kind of crazy about it too. so everybody like if they're doing a 75 hard challenge or whatever, they can just like download an app and kind of just check box when they've done things. Yeah. ⁓ And it's kind of a hassle if you're ever on like a dietary program to like have to enter whatever you're eating into an app like My FitnessPal. Yeah. ⁓ like, okay, I have this, I have enough water. And it's like it can so it can get so like kind of annoying that people just stop doing it, stop tracking altogether. So I wanted to build something out ⁓ that was f ⁓ as autonomous as possible, where I I would make it as simple as possible to keep me going by just Sending pictures through Telegram of things that I'm doing. Yeah. ⁓ so I have this ⁓ by the way, came up with its own name, Rhonda. Rhonda? And then I just made her look like Rhonda Rousey. Yep, I was gonna say that that's the trainer I think of when I think of Rhonda. So Rhonda's my ⁓ AI fitness coach. ⁓ and ⁓ her backstory is that she ⁓ she used to be an MMA fighter. She's got a backstory now. Used to be an MMA MMA fighter, now owns a gym where she's just coaching people and The last couple of years have been rough and she only has one client and it's me. And so she's obsessed with making sure that I am go staying on track and this is all she has to live for. Yeah. Wow. Pretty much. Sounds like a desperate business. Like Yeah. And she's got a wild inappropriate ⁓ personality. Okay. ⁓ and she obsessively checks in with me to make sure I'm doing things. Define wildly inappropriate personality with okay. I just got ⁓ you did split done or like She's checking in right now. You're ghost to me. Wow. Because I haven't talked to her or haven't sent her anything in a couple hours. Okay. Or an hour and a half or whatever. It's hilarious. So so I've got this. She's like a crazy ex girlfriend style, like checking in for updates constantly. Define, I want you to stop like real quick. You said in inappropriate. Like, how is she inappropriate? What's she doing? ⁓ she'll she'll call me a dipshit or jackass, whatever. Like, she'll she'll be inappropriate with like I thought she was like, show me, show me your dick. None of that. No, you could program that's program that in if you wanted. If you're into that kind of stuff, you can do that. Right. ⁓ I I didn't need it for this purpose. I've got a wife. Yeah, yeah. That's what I was like went to by inappropriate. I'm like, is does your wife know that your AI wants to be an inappropriate with you? She has she has the freedom to be as inappropriate as she wants to be. Okay. That that's that's in her soul. Okay. And and that's part of her personality, is that she's just ⁓ she's a hard ass. Mm-hmm. ⁓ and sh and kinda has a psycho-ish personality with with me and making sure that this ⁓ 75 heart is done. It's like Lady David Goggins. Basically. Sure. ⁓ but she's constantly obsessed with getting photos ⁓ of the scale of ⁓ the you know the shirtless photo every day at a certain time. ⁓ and if she doesn't get things at certain times, she'll even not she can even send a voice message. Wow. Where she's yelling. about whatever I missed or something. ⁓ and and the cool thing is I don't have to track food anymore either. It just whatever I'm about to eat, I just I open the telegram app and and I just click like the photo button and I take the photo. It doesn't even like save on my phone. Right. ⁓ I think it can if you wanted to, but ⁓ but I'll just take a picture of whatever I'm about to eat. And it uses so it uses my grok OAuth subscription as the brain of this Hermes agent. Sure. That self improves and gets better every day. Okay. ⁓ but I had Claude's program the whole thing with Claude Code. Mm-hmm. ⁓ just with me talking to Cla Claude about what I wanted to build out. And then I used it and then I was in the car like a Sunday or Monday or whatever. And I was on a long drive and I just wanted to talk to Grok about, hey, I want to build out this thing. Are there is there anybody else doing something like this? And what are some cool features and stuff we should build out? And just talking and then later You can whatever you're talking about in your Tesla, you can just pull it up online of what you were talking about. I helped you with that. I'm like, can you sync these? Like this seems like you should be able to sync them. And you can, yes. ⁓ huh. So I was able to take that and then just put all the notes and just give it to Claude to build it out. That's a game changer, by the way. Like being able to talk to my car and like flip ideas off it and then open my desktop and have everything that we executed right there. So now Claude was able to spend dude, are you would think just an AI coach would be kind of like a quick project for Claude. Yeah. This the amount of work that Claude put into this was insane. Like we're talking, I don't know, twenty hours of coding. Wow. To every little thing had to be perfect. And to get the images correctly, we're actually using ChatGPT because it has a better visioning model. Yeah. And I'm using my OAuth subscription. So I'm using two different OAuth subscriptions. ⁓ Groc, that is the brain of it. And then anytime it gets a photo. It uses Chat G BT's vision model to see exactly what that food is. ⁓ to be able to then, you know, search the internet and estimate with pretty good accuracy. Yeah. It'll identify what the food is and break it down my macros. Sure. And seeing if I'm meet and and it puts it into this daily log of tracking my macros throughout the day. And then she'll get upset with me if I'm getting close to the end of the day and I haven't I'm not gonna meet my protein or carbs or fat for the day. So so I wanna pause you right here. I know this is like really cool stuff. When you're asking Grok about this, if anybody else has done anything like this, what was the answer? Yes. Okay. Yeah, there's a lot of people that are 'cause like what you're talking about is a sellable model for a home fitness trainer. Like you could just totally that's that's a ⁓ marketable model where you could just be like, Hey, twenty dollars a month gets you access to my my trainer, basically. Well, it's a little bit more complicated than that and we're gonna we're We are gonna ⁓ talk We're gonna see how feasible is this to be able to package and sell to somebody else. Yeah. That's exactly what I'm saying. The pr the problem is the way we set it up, it's it's running live off my Mac Mini. ⁓ and it's a Hermes agent. There's a lot it's it's a lot more than just ⁓ 'cause it has it's an ongoing agent. You know, it's set up just like a like a regular agent and it's not really meant to just be something offline, but you can't make it. There there is a way to just make it into an app where it has if And then you can just maybe maybe w make it to where you could ⁓ I want to pick Ronda as my coach or this guy Larry or whoever and just it already has a personality built in. And then what are my goals? And then and then it's like an out of the box thing. I'm sure that can come. I just don't know how how that would work. Right. Knowing that I'm running a lot of this locally off my computer at work. That's just on twenty four seven. Sure. And the the schematics of it, yes, is kinda weird, but like at its base, like that is a very sellable thing that you've created. Sure. You know what mean? It is it's it's fun and it's working. Yeah. Like I'm on I'm on day three. And you have in order for this to work too, you have to be okay with the fact that this is not a real human because I think we do crave that human interaction. Like when I want a coach, I don't want a robot coach. I want like a human coach with human experiences. You know what I mean? But that's why you kind of make it as human as possible. Right, exactly. That's like if you if you can get over that hurdle of that this is not a real person, but it is structured in a way that can help me as a real person would. I think it can do really cool things. Here's what happens if I s if I ⁓ sk if I don't make it or if I ghost her for a d ⁓ twelve hours or or or a day or so. If if I she if I don't hit her by the end of the day with ⁓ like finishing it or if I'm if I'm ghosting her, she is going to reach out to R D and shame me. ⁓ wow, okay. Got that. So she's gonna tattle so she's on one of my accountability group. One of my acca my you know, RD I work out with a lot. So he's he's accepted. Okay, on his telegram. He's gonna get a message from her when I'm when I'm slipping up. Okay. ⁓ which is part of the accountability. It's like I don't I don't want I don't want her like if I'm screwing up, yeah. I don't want her to tattle on me. Right. And she threatens it all the time. Even though she knows not to do it until I I really do screw up in a f a full day. Yeah. ⁓ So anyway, it's fun, but it's worth it's it's something that's actually that would take who knows how many you know, if this was ten years ago to build out something like this would have been a multi million dollar project. ⁓ yeah, easy for for a a coding agency to like build something like this to where it's actually functional. Yeah. ⁓ and we're just living in wild times where ⁓ this is literally costing me nothing else. Just your thirty dollar gauge energy. Just the energy that my office pays for for my computer to be on. And it's a Mac Mini, so it takes like hardly any power. Right. Yeah. It's not like a powerhouse. And they're they're meant to be able to just stay on. Yeah. ⁓ and you don't need to shut them off or anything. That's pretty cool. That's cool. So you so you got your three agents now. Yes. Are you doing any more? Are you gonna have I mean it seems like you've got a ⁓ there's plenty no. Yeah. Not two work, one personal. That's really cool. So we're still ⁓ still training Kyle and Katie. ⁓ actually Kyle's pretty much all trained up. Okay. ⁓ I still training Katie on on all the the transaction stuff. So yeah, it's pretty pretty wild times. But the whole point of this episode is just I want to encourage people to ⁓ try it out. It and w for whatever it doesn't have to be an AI co like coach or it doesn't have to be for your real estate business. It could be for anything. Right. And when you say try it out, like like can we break that down just a little bit too? Like I think AI in general can be overwhelming to a lot of people. Me in me in particular. Because there are so many different, you know, powerhouses and like what to do, when to do it, who to go through, how should someone like try that out? Like what what what's are some what are some stepping stones someone should do to kind of get started with something like this? On having an agent particularly. Yeah. So I would I would first determine if if one would be helpful or or if you even need one at all. You could ⁓ you might just be surviving just fine on on Just using cloud services because there's so many agentic models that Cloud has that you don't need an agent for to run off your computer. Okay. It can pretty much just run on your computer. Right. ⁓ the honestly, the open cloud, the Hermes things, that's more of like a tinker's like people don't need to go to that extent to get like a really good experience with AI. Because most people aren't even using projects like we talked about in one of our last episodes. ⁓ yeah. Where where they can you don't have to you actually don't have to have you know, an agent like this to get like a similar type of results. Yeah. A lot of people just think AI is eventually done because they don't know they're they're just using new chats and stuff and they're not actually building out a project and going back to a project where it has memory of what you're working on and knows what the next step is. The cool thing about ⁓ if you're using something like ⁓ Claude ⁓ Claude for these projects is that it can handle like whatever it tells you to go out and do online, you can Use Claude to go do that online too. Yeah, whatever it tells you to like build out like it it can use Claude code to start building out like if you want to save money on all these subscription things that you might have with, you know, different databases or or you know your CRM or stuff like that, or things that you might pay for. I think it I think it'd be great to just have a conversation with AI, with whatever program you're using. I ⁓ even now I didn't mention this, but Grocnow has ⁓ a c coding agent. Okay. Great. It just came out and it just became available. ⁓ it just came out a couple weeks ago for people paying 300 bucks a month, but then they just announced said anybody paying 30 bucks a month can use it now too. Any asshole paying 30 bucks okay and I tried it out yesterday and it was working fast. Okay. Like much faster than Claude. Cool. ⁓ so it it but way cheaper than Claude. Right. So I don't think people have any excuses anymore because it's it the Other than if they just don't have the time. But if they're I think they should really just talk about what they do all day. Yeah. ⁓ with an AI model and just say or not I mean talk as in a conversation. Yeah. And just don't type this out, like have an actual conversation with a Yeah, you can use the voice mode too and just say what are some ideas on how I can save time or money by using AI. Yeah, and then what what AI is available for then this is what I do all day. Right. Like how how can I use my workflow, this is kind of what I need help with. Like and it's all about just doing things ⁓ in less time with less money. Yeah. Or making more money by creating more opportunities. Yeah. ⁓ and I and I think everybody's probably got something that they're not even thinking of, but AI can help pull that out of your head if you just have a conversation with it. You know what I think would be like a cool this has nothing to do with business. Yeah. We like playing D D. We haven't played very much, but like having a a bot basically create a story. Or, you know, like give it some like feedback on what a story should look like so it has some ground rules, right? And then being able to be in a room with other people. Yeah. So like the, you know, the the bots can tell like Jeremy's talking and Jeremy's gonna be doing a thing. It's the dungeon master? Yeah. Like I'm not the dungeon master, but like Nick and me, you and me are in the same room and it knows the difference between our voices. So if we're playing with a computer, basically, it's like, ⁓ Jeremy's talking and trying to do this. And it's like Interesting fact. Yeah. Did you know that ⁓ these L and that The LLM model was first only available for people using D playing D D I didn't know that. Yeah. So before it was available to the public, people would have to go in these dark chat rooms and pretend that they were doing it just for D to be able to use it for other stuff. Really? Yeah. Crazy. And I don't know exactly what company was providing it or anything like that. I can't remember. But before ChatGPT like released an LLM for people to play with, yeah. That's how you were able to play with LLM. That was the sandbox in before. Okay. Is because it was made for Dungeons and Dragons. Crazy. Yeah. No, I just interesting fact. That'd that'd just be like a cool thing to do. Like we could have our own story, you know, and not have to worry about getting ten people together. We can just like bullshit with a LLM for an hour and a half. ⁓ you can totally do it. We can already do that, but like two people in the same room and noticing and directing voices, you know what I mean? Yeah. Or maybe we have to be on camera so it sees our voice. I don't know. But Well yeah. Yeah, I'm sure you can try it out. Just see if it it can pick up on the different voices. I got some drive time today down to St. Mary's. Maybe I'll fuck with it. Ask it. Yeah. No, that's super cool, man. I think what you're building is really cool. ⁓ again, I'm envious you've got all the time to work on this stuff because like I see it and I'm like, God, that sounds so fun. It sounds fun. It's it's pretty incredibly fun. Yeah. ⁓ every time I get to play with AI, no matter what a way I just have so much fun. It is I'm also working at the same time. Because when you Sir I'm not actually I mean, it may look like every time you look in the office I am. Like just on the AI, like building yeah building stuff. But I'm more just copying and pasting stuff. Right and and then giving and reviewing things, giving it my feedback, and then it it and it's doing most of the work. Yeah. And I can actually do my job at the same time. Right. So I'm going through emails. I'm still I just got my flip under contract yesterday. The Stephanie one? Yep. Congratulations. Six grand over list price. ⁓ yeah. ⁓ yeah. ⁓ so that was nice. Congratulations. That's really cool. Yeah. Should ⁓ I I spent a lot more on that than I thought. Yeah. Typically happens on most flips. I don't know if flippery haven't not hit budget yet. I spent I spent like seventy five grand on that. What was your budget? ⁓ I don't I didn't really have one. I thought fifty, sixty, something like that. Well if you don't have one, then it's clear you're gonna go over. Yeah. If you don't know Yeah, well I mean I I didn't really care Like if you don't set the guidelines you're gonna go over the guidelines if that makes sense. But I knew there was so much margin where y even if I spent a hundred grand I'd be fine. Do you typically have a budget on your flips? Or this is ⁓ yeah. Yeah. But that's mostly when I'm working with other people. Sure. And I tell them what the budget is and we try to stay below that, even though we always kind of go over. But ⁓ but what yeah, if I don't if I'm working on my own, I don't I just kind of spend whatever I have to spend. Yeah, you get the job done. But ⁓ I did actually intentionally go over budget on that one. ⁓ you know, we redid the whole kitchen instead of just painted cabinets and replaced countertops. ⁓ so I spent like an extra ten grand. on replacing all the all the the vanities and the the ⁓ cabinets and all that stuff. ⁓ but I was able to get more for the property than I anticipated. So it it's all all done. ⁓ can I pitch something to you really quick? Sure. ⁓ we did a episode in your flip. Yeah, we gotta finish one out. I was gonna say do you want to do another one? Yeah, how about Monday? I like it. Yeah, let's put on our books. Okay. So the next episode after this, guys, will be ⁓ we'll be in that house. Yeah. And I've already got furniture there. We don't even have to bring chairs this time. Yeah, it's really beautiful. You did a really good job on it. Thank very much. The staging looked great. Yeah. The colors look great. Like everything you did like looks really good there. Thank you. I got a lot of good compliments on that one. Yeah. And I felt like I didn't really do anything different than than what I normally do with it's like the same staging furniture. It's the same like white paint. But it is a it was a it's I think the paint yeah turned out really well because it was ⁓ Greek. Yeah. ⁓ Greek Villa paint. Your floors look good too. Like the whole thing just looks good. Yeah. ⁓ yeah. I was picky about that one. I wanted to make sure it it was spotless. Is your house is your flippin' Kellogg still on the market? It is. Yeah. It's still getting showing, so good. I dropped the price by five grand. Yeah. That one I ⁓ that one's not looking good for profit margins. Sure. I I think I'm at if I sell it for five grand less than what I have it now, I'll only make like a six percent return. Gotcha. Or something like that. Like maybe twenty grand or something. But for the amount of capital that had to go into that, yeah. Pretty low return. Yeah. Like I've got a technical loan out on that one. Did we didn't have it secured or anything? It was more of a generalized loan. So keep paying it. You can add that money back whenever you want. You can keep paying it as long as you want. I I was doing the books yesterday and I saw it had two payments go out like on the same day. Did you get two payments? I haven't seen anything. I'll double check though. All right. Did I skip them on the No, so so what happened it so I did not run out I'm not sure if this is what happens on your end. I thought 'Cause I've been so busy I haven't cashed checks in a while. Uhhuh. I did cash two checks on the same day that were from April and May. Or That makes sense. Yeah, yeah. That makes sense. Okay, so that's what happened. I thought when the check got cut is when the check got Usually that's that's the way it kind of works sometimes, maybe not. Yeah. And I I assume that's what happened because I assume like the company's like, Okay, we cut this check, we paid it out of the account, it's already paid basically. Yeah. But yeah, there was like it was like a week or two ago when I did two checks at once to put them in my system. That makes sense. Okay. Sorry about that. That's okay. Again, I thought they were already paid, so I'm like, ⁓ just I had four checks sitting, two from you, two from Gendersnap, that I'm like, I should just really catch these. I can't even remember. Does that check go to Gendersnap or Jeremy? That goes to ⁓ Gendersnap Media Retirement Fund Trust. Media Okay. Yeah, I know. Okay. All right. Because what I put on my books, I'm like always going back and forth. I'm like Gindersnap Media or Jeremy? I'm like, just do both. Or I do or just or I do one every other time. It's a loan payment. It doesn't matter. Okay, well, cool. I think ⁓ the video you did on that one, like I was talking to an agent yesterday too. ⁓ and they're just like, Nick was like shitting on his own house. And I'm like, Yeah, he does that. ⁓ on the mill house? Yeah. I thought it was fun. I thought it was a really good video. Yeah, yeah, I got more views. Yeah. ⁓ I do that just for fun. And and who cares? It's not like it didn't it was funny. One agent said, ⁓ after they watched the video, they decided to cancel the showing. Yeah. I'm like, Okay, cool. They probably weren't gonna like it though. Yeah, you probably would have hated it anyway, because I'm not lying about anything. Yeah, sure. I I talk trash about it, but then you look at it, you're like, it's actually pretty nice. Well, also, why are they seeing the video? Why don't they just look at the MLS photos? I don't know. Yeah. Like, are they is your agent sending them the video? You know what's funny about that property? It looks completely different from the outside now. Right after we took photos, they took out the two big trees in the front. Yeah. And all the the driveway they've removed, they've removed the all the sidewalks and it just looks like a war zone out there. There's a caution tape around ⁓ okay, gotcha. So it's not a good time to get new photos? Not yet. Okay. But the the city's actually replacing my whole driveway. Badass. Which is kind of cool. As a treat. And then ⁓ but they just left these big tree stumps out in front. I'm like, are are you guys gonna do anything with that? They're like, okay, we'll we'll shave them down all the way and put grouse over the top. I'm like, okay, thanks. Great, that's perfect. Yeah. Do at least do that. Yeah, give me a don't just leave tree stumps. Can you give me a solution? That's like a vista when they come down cut down trees that are a flip and they're just like, We're gonna leave them here. There you go. Good luck. We don't have to do anything. We're conducting my automobiles. Yeah. ⁓ gosh. A vista makes trees look ugly. Yeah. Remember do you ever see where they just like they'll just cut like half the tree away? Yeah, just like, ⁓ it's out of the way of our power lines. Good luck having nasty looking trees now. Yeah, that's what they did on Violet when all those trees came down. They just like left them in the yard and they were half cut like ⁓ well that there's do you ever drive around like Dalton Gardens and stuff and you just see like trees that are like that they'll just cut like 25% of the tree to be away from the pirate. And then you have just like a you know a goofy looking Dr. Seuss tree. Right. That's left what am I gonna do with this? Yeah. Anyway we should wrap it up. Yeah. Well cool. Hey thanks everybody for listening as always. We love ya ⁓ if you haven't left us a review yet, we haven't asked for those in while. ⁓ we put a lot of effort in this show. I do at least. I know Nick puts a lot of passion into this as well. Leave us a five star review if you've found what we say at least fun or entertaining. Yeah, thanks guys. ⁓ ⁓ I hope ⁓ hope you guys aren't getting sick of AI yet. Why is that camera doing it does that a lot lately? Okay. I don't know why it's auto zooming. I'll try to stop that. Sorry guys, thanks, have a good day, bye.