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The Indictment of Donald Trump · Conspiracy! The Show

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Conspiracy The Show, the world's most trusted conspiracy
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Speaker 1: Darry Podcast, with your hosts Adam Todd Brown and Olivia Hidar.
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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy the Show. I'm Adam Todd Brown,
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Speaker 2: I'm Olivia Hidar and that makes us your hosts. Olivia,
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Speaker 2: how's it going?
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Speaker 3: You know, honestly, it's been a pretty good week. I
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Speaker 3: don't know if you heard, but the Barbie trailer drop.
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Speaker 3: Oh that's right, and the new Barbie trailer, and like
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Speaker 3: it's kind of a big deal. So I don't know
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Speaker 3: if anything else has happened, but.
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Speaker 2: Well, the part in the Arbie trailer where Trump gets
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Speaker 2: purp walked is jarring and unexpected.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, I kind of wish for a little
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Speaker 3: bit more fantasy in my Barbie movie.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, and it's it's oddly reminiscent of something else
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Speaker 2: that happened this week, Oh, which is Trump was indicted.
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Speaker 3: Oh shit, I do vaguely recall hearing something about this.
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Speaker 2: That is the whole reason we're putting this episode up
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Speaker 2: so late in the week, because the news came down
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Speaker 2: on Thursday, I believe, Yeah, and we were gonna try
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Speaker 2: and bang out an episode on Friday you were both like.
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Speaker 3: Well, let's jump on, We're ready to talk about it.
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Speaker 2: But there wasn't much to talk about, right, No, it's
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Speaker 2: good to wait. Now there is a little more to
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Speaker 2: talk about, not a ton.
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Speaker 3: No, mostly just I think figuring out what the actual
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Speaker 3: charges are like. But it's mostly just fun. It mostly
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Speaker 3: is just a thing that everybody can get behind and
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Speaker 3: feel good about.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the whole thing. We'll get into the actual
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Speaker 2: charges and the legitimacy of those charges and whether they're
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Speaker 2: actually going to accomplish what people want them to accomplish.
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Speaker 2: But also, yeah, it's just fun seeing someone like Trump
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Speaker 2: get his come up and in any sort of way.
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Speaker 3: Yes, I mentioned this earlier before we recorded. This is
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Speaker 3: the closest that he has ever come to facing consequences.
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Speaker 2: Basically, even getting COVID made this motherfucker's approval rating goal.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and like he was impeached, but it didn't end up,
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Speaker 3: you know, going into a criminal matter. And so yeah,
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Speaker 3: it's just it's nice. It's good to know that he
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Speaker 3: is not even though I'm sure he's sleeping fine right
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Speaker 3: now in his luxury penthouse or whatever. It's good to
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Speaker 3: know that he's not a free man.
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Speaker 2: He did, I think, look genuinely concerned after he made
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Speaker 2: the trip from the DA's office where I believe that's
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Speaker 2: where he turned himself in, and I was watching all
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Speaker 2: of that live. I was watching it on CNN, which, wow,
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Speaker 2: you know, lesser.
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Speaker 3: Of two evils to cut news network.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And they just kept talking about how this
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Speaker 2: is a former president going to jail, but life is
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Speaker 2: just carrying on as normal around him, And it's like,
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Speaker 2: what do you want people?
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Speaker 3: Look, guys, we can't all be pundits. Yeah, sorry, some
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Speaker 3: of us have to have other jobs.
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Speaker 2: It's like, you are lucky. I'm not watching the Charleston
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Speaker 2: open right now. I'm just watching this to see if
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Speaker 2: there's any protests. Here's the thing. I feel like the
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Speaker 2: protests around this were not as robust as I was expecting,
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Speaker 2: and I feel like that's a bad look for Trump.
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Speaker 3: Well, not only is it a bad look for Trump,
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Speaker 3: it's a bad look for the current crop of like
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Speaker 3: mainstream journalists who like outnumbered the protesters, you know, quote
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Speaker 3: unquote protesters five to one at most of the at
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Speaker 3: any of the events that they went to.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like the response to this is sort
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Speaker 2: of a sign that Trump is losing a little bit
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Speaker 2: of steam, might be in terms of a popular movement.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, we'll see, because this is gonna be a
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Speaker 2: thing that drags out for for sure years.
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Speaker 3: But also like something like this is never going I mean,
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Speaker 3: I really unless it was going to become a January
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Speaker 3: sixth again, right, which was a very specific set of
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Speaker 3: circumstations with him on the premises drumming up people to
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Speaker 3: action and shit Like I feel like when there's an
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Speaker 3: actual injustice that's committed, you know, like the twenty twenty
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Speaker 3: Black Lives Matter protests and these sorts of things, people
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Speaker 3: can get like excited for that. You know, you can
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Speaker 3: like get involved and stay involved because there's actual like
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Speaker 3: wrongs to fight. This is a rich man facing charge.
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Speaker 3: I feel like even the right wing can't get drummed
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Speaker 3: up for that.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's also as we get into it, this will
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Speaker 2: make more sense. But this would be a silly thing
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Speaker 2: for Trump supporters to like really go buck over, because
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Speaker 2: I mean, to jump ahead a little bit, I don't
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Speaker 2: think this is gonna work in terms of sending Trump
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Speaker 2: to prison.
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Speaker 3: I sure, here's the thing.
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Speaker 2: I will bet any amount of money, right, now that
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Speaker 2: Trump does not go to prison for this, he might
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Speaker 2: get fine, sure for it. But at the same time,
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Speaker 2: there's other stuff coming along, right that could hold more
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Speaker 2: severe consequences. Yeah, and so I feel like, if you're
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Speaker 2: a Trump supporter, thinking should I be rioting right now?
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Speaker 2: This is one you probably want to just let play
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Speaker 2: out in court.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Hold, hold, wait for yeah, wait for the bigger And
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Speaker 4: here's the thing I would appreciate if you not riot
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Speaker 4: at all.
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Speaker 2: No matter what happens, sure to Donald Trump. That's that's
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Speaker 2: my I.
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Speaker 3: Mean, if it's like January's I really won't make much
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Speaker 3: difference to me anyway, Yeah, because you know, it's not
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Speaker 3: like it's gonna actually do anything, right.
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Speaker 2: So, yeah, we didn't do the episode right away because
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Speaker 2: there wasn't a ton of news. We just heard that
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Speaker 2: Trump was indicted, And if you're unfamiliar, that just means
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Speaker 2: you've been charged with crimes, right, And an indictment is
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Speaker 2: a document that lists the charges against you.
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Speaker 3: It's like a rich person's way of getting arrested pretty much.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's a good way to describe it. And
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Speaker 2: in a grand jury indictment, you just need a majority
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Speaker 2: of jurors to agree that charges are warranted, doesn't have
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Speaker 2: to be unanimous like a criminal trial. And what we
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Speaker 2: heard at first, and what seems to still be the case,
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Speaker 2: is that this all centers around a one hundred and
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Speaker 2: thirty thousand dollars payment that was made to porn star
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Speaker 2: Stormy Daniels to keep her from talking about a past
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Speaker 2: the fair with Trump.
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Speaker 3: It is kind of astonishing that it's twenty twenty three
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Speaker 3: and I'm constantly hearing about the name Stormy Daniels.
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Speaker 2: She had a good tweet about this wild Did you
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Speaker 2: say it?
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Speaker 3: No, I didn't see her tweet a page. I don't
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Speaker 3: fall over her.
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Speaker 2: Well I don't either, I know. But someone tweeted at
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Speaker 2: her and said, you're a liar. Trump wouldn't touch you
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Speaker 2: with a ten foot pole.
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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I did see that.
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Speaker 2: And she replied and said, no, he touched me with
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Speaker 2: a three inch pole.
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Speaker 3: Sure.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a solid comeback.
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Speaker 3: It's funny to be able to stay that with authority.
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Speaker 3: And like, I don't know, it's just weird. It's just
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Speaker 3: very strange. I thought this was like a this was
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Speaker 3: a whole thing. It's just just bringing up twenty sixteen
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Speaker 3: vibes all over again.
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Speaker 2: Well, not just that, but it's an affair that happened
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Speaker 2: in two thousand and six, right, it was ten years
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Speaker 2: before the election. I think she just prior to the election,
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Speaker 2: was like, Hey, I'm gonna tell people, probably you don't
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Speaker 2: give me and they gave her money to silence her
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Speaker 2: and to get her to sign an NDA naturally, which
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Speaker 2: in and of itself is obviously shady maneuvering, but not
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Speaker 2: necessarily illegal. Michael Cohen, he paid the hush money to
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Speaker 2: Stormy Daniels, and because it was done in the name
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Speaker 2: of influencing the election, it was considered an excessive campaign donation.
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Speaker 2: Trump initially denied knowing about the payment, but Rudy Giuliani,
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Speaker 2: as he does, came along and messed everything up because
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Speaker 2: he told a gaggle of reporters that Trump paid Cohen
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Speaker 2: back for that payment, just like let it slip after
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Speaker 2: Trump denied knowing anything about it, which it was going
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Speaker 2: to be a hard thing to prove.
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Speaker 3: Is he the dumbest Republican?
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Speaker 2: It's hard, it's a tough rate. That's a Is he
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Speaker 2: the dumbest Republican? Or is he a secret good guy?
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Speaker 2: Like did he just buddy up to Trump? And He's
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Speaker 2: just like, look, I'm gonna go to the mat sure,
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Speaker 2: no matter how stupid I have to. Look, I'm gonna
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Speaker 2: derail what is happening with this man? Probably not, but
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Speaker 2: I I don't think so. Like fuck, if George Soros
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Speaker 2: is fun than anyone, it's probably Rudy Giuliani.
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Speaker 3: Like I just have to go with Ockham's razor and
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Speaker 3: just just stupid being a fucking but like, man, dumbest
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Speaker 3: Republican is a real that's a race to the bottom.
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Speaker 3: Like that is tough.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that is a tough one.
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Speaker 3: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I would go Marjorie Taylor Green right now. But also,
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Speaker 2: I mean she knows how to work those QAnon motherfuckers,
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Speaker 2: so not really.
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Speaker 3: She doesn't and she can like use her phone.
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Speaker 2: Yes that also, And so after Rudy Giuliani spilled the tea,
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Speaker 2: that's when Trump came out and said that he did
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Speaker 2: pay Cohen a quote monthly retainer right that was intended
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Speaker 2: to stop the false and extortionist accusations made by her
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Speaker 2: about an affair, and whoops, him denying the affair nullified
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Speaker 2: that NDA. Oh, because that was also apparently part of
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Speaker 2: the NDA that Trump wouldn't call her a liar, and
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Speaker 2: she just like wouldn't talk about it.
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Speaker 3: Uh huh.
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Speaker 2: But this payment came out, became news, and he, in
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Speaker 2: Trump fashion, classic Trump fashion, just had to go in
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Speaker 2: front of the media and say nope, never happened. That
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Speaker 2: blew everything up.
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Speaker 3: Mm hmm. That's Trump, good old Trump.
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Speaker 2: So that was all kind of the speculation was that
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Speaker 2: that was what this all centered around, and there was
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Speaker 2: like confirmation before the indictment came out. And then the
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Speaker 2: indictment comes out, and if you're hoping for a salacious read,
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Speaker 2: you are not going to get it. Yeah, because Trump
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Speaker 2: is charged with thirty four counts of falsifying business records
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Speaker 2: in the first degree, And when you read through the indictment,
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Speaker 2: it's kind of just a list of check numbers, ledger numbers,
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Speaker 2: in voice numbers, and each one has a count of
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Speaker 2: falsifying business records attached to it. So this isn't that fun.
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Speaker 3: No, I mean, most legal documents aren't like a breeze,
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Speaker 3: you know, right, John Grisham, most of his stuff is
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Speaker 3: made up. He's not actually like a legal scholar, you know,
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Speaker 3: like Tom Cruise didn't actually agree to disagree.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, it's just kind of the same charges over
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Speaker 2: and over but with different check numbers and things, which
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Speaker 2: does kind of speak to the idea that maybe it's
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Speaker 2: more than just the Stormy Daniels thing.
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Speaker 3: I mean, we know that he has definitely committed way
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Speaker 3: more crimes than just Stormy Daniels. So it feels like
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Speaker 3: discovery is what we're betting on here.
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Speaker 2: Right, And that's the other thing again to keep in mind,
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Speaker 2: like this is kind of just the beginning in terms
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Speaker 2: of potential charges and indictments that could come down against
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Speaker 2: Trump specifically, I would say this is the weakest one.
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Speaker 3: Also it might be the weakest one, but also sometimes
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Speaker 3: that's just how you get to the deeper stuff. Is
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Speaker 3: you know, you get get a foot in the door.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you know they got like al Capone, n Rico,
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Speaker 3: and so like.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well they got al Capone on.
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Speaker 3: Taxes, tax evasion.
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Speaker 2: This isn't that these particular charges Trump's facing, aren't that.
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Speaker 2: The problem here is how Trump paid Michael Cohen back.
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Speaker 2: He used funds from his own corporation, and because it
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Speaker 2: was a payment that prosecutors believe was made to aid
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Speaker 2: the campaign, that makes it a campaign donation and corporations
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Speaker 2: can't make campaign donations fucking lol, So that makes it
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Speaker 2: a crime. If he had just paid Michael Cohen back
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Speaker 2: out of that room full of gold coins that he
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Speaker 2: would have us believe he dives into at the end
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Speaker 2: of every night, his own personal wealth. If he had
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Speaker 2: just coughed up one hundred and thirty thousand dollars of
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Speaker 2: his own money, this is not a crime. Like nothing
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Speaker 2: about it would have gotten him in trouble, sure, but
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Speaker 2: he had to do it through his corporation because then
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Speaker 2: tax right off. Baby, It's how rich people work.
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Speaker 3: He is such a cheapskate, yeah, for being a guy
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Speaker 3: who is beloved by weirdos for his wealth. He is
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Speaker 3: such a cheapskate.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, very much so. And if that all sounds like
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Speaker 2: shaky grounds to arrest a former president, it kind of is. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: it's a stretch. It's worth noting Michael Cohen was obviously
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Speaker 2: accused in all this also, and the Feds never really
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Speaker 2: charged him for this specific thing. Like I think he
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Speaker 2: went to prison for perjury, right think, so obstruction of.
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Speaker 3: Justice something about Michael Cohen, Like this is this is
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Speaker 3: all dredging up so many dark memories.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, remember when we were all like, oh, Michael Cohen's
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Speaker 2: gonna save us. No fucking get out of here. Michael
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Speaker 2: Cohen's not saving anyone.
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Speaker 3: Couldn't even save himself, and that's like all he wants
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Speaker 3: to do.
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Speaker 2: The Feds never charged Trump with a campaign violation for this,
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Speaker 2: right because making the case was going to be really hard. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: and we know that because John Edwards Democrat was essentially
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Speaker 2: indicted for the same thing in twenty eleven and the
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Speaker 2: Feds were unable to convince a jury that he was guilty. Right,
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Speaker 2: So essentially the federal government investigated this charge a few
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Speaker 2: years ago and decided not to charge Trump over it,
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Speaker 2: which is one of the reasons this is kind of
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Speaker 2: a sketchy prosecution. And I don't mean sketchy in that
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Speaker 2: they shouldn't do it.
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Speaker 3: There's no legal foundation, but like, yeah, no, there's definitely
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Speaker 3: stuff there.
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Speaker 2: It's just like we all want Trump to be a
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Speaker 2: criminal because he is a criminal, right, But this just
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Speaker 2: isn't I think gonna be the way it gets done,
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Speaker 2: but it's a start.
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Speaker 3: It might not, but maybe it will. At this point.
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Speaker 3: Right now, like as of this recording, I'm just in
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Speaker 3: a place where I'm like I'm just kind of gonna
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Speaker 3: enjoy this while it's happening, because if this is all
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Speaker 3: we get, then I want to enjoy it. But also
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Speaker 3: maybe more will happen. Who knows, But I like it.
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Speaker 3: It's funny.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's just always fun to see an
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Speaker 2: asshole get theirs.
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Speaker 3: Yes, and like, as much as I don't like the
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Speaker 3: American justice system or the car serial states, it's more
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Speaker 3: just it comes down to, it's just funny to see
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Speaker 3: this rich guy who's so as get taken down a
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Speaker 3: few pigs.
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Speaker 2: This is a TikTok video of a rich asshole rolling
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Speaker 2: his car for driving aggressively like he's probably gonna get
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Speaker 2: out and walk away from it. Fine, that car is
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Speaker 2: not going to cost him shit because it's rich. But
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Speaker 2: still it's fun to see. It's fun to see his
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Speaker 2: day inconvenienced exactly in that fucking manner.
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Speaker 3: One could stay ruined. I bet his day was in
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Speaker 3: his standards.
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Speaker 2: Or Trump looked like his day was ruined.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, did you see the courtroom sketches?
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Speaker 2: I saw courtroom pictures.
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Speaker 3: I saw a picture, But I don't know what the deal.
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Speaker 3: I don't know, Okay, So what's the deal. Why do
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Speaker 3: we have sketches then if we're allowed to take pictures
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Speaker 3: in the courtroom, I really don't understand that.
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Speaker 2: I don't know they did allow photographers in the courtroom.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, because I've seen pictures, but I wasn't sure because
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Speaker 3: you know, there's that whole thing gives a sketch artist
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Speaker 3: a day off exactly.
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Speaker 2: So Trump is being charged not with a federal crime,
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Speaker 2: but with a state crime, right, And this is where
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Speaker 2: it gets kind of complicated, because this is basically the
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Speaker 2: same thing the federal government decided not to indict Trump over.
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Speaker 2: Alvin Bragg, who we will talk about him more later,
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Speaker 2: very controversial figure in this he's the prosecutor in this case.
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Speaker 2: He alleges that since Trump used money from his corporation,
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Speaker 2: he committed the state law crime of falsifying business records,
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Speaker 2: and since it happened in New York, he's being charged there. Sure,
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Speaker 2: there are some legitimate concerns with this prosecution and how
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Speaker 2: it's going to look, because Alvin Bragg is having to
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Speaker 2: do a lot of legwork to make this a felony
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Speaker 2: in the first place, because falsifying business records in and
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Speaker 2: of itself is a misdemeanor. Sure, and a misdemeanor that
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Speaker 2: comes with a two year statute of limitations. Wow, so
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Speaker 2: that ship would seem to have sale. Sure beyond that,
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Speaker 2: what he's claiming here is that it's a felony because
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Speaker 2: Trump did it in the name of covering up another crime,
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Speaker 2: which was the campaign finance violation. But that's also complicated
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Speaker 2: because the FEDS didn't charge him for that.
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Speaker 3: Sure, so it's a wrinkle.
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Speaker 2: It's it's definitely a wrinkle. And even then, the statute
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Speaker 2: of limitations on that would have been five years, which
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Speaker 2: takes us to twenty twenty one. So once again statute
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Speaker 2: of limitations seems to have expired. What Alvin Bragg is
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Speaker 2: arguing is that the year's Trump spent as president, where
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Speaker 2: technically he's living in Washington, d C. Outside New York,
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Speaker 2: that stopped the statute of limitations clock, and that the
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Speaker 2: statute of limitations only applies when you're in the state.
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Speaker 3: Sure like, it's an argument that mean, Yeah, that's that's
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Speaker 3: it's a tight rope.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's tough, and that's obviously not us defending Trump. No,
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Speaker 2: you gotta be honest about what's happening here.
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Speaker 3: If you can't assess what the situation is with clear eyes,
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Speaker 3: than how are you ever gonna do the right thing?
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Speaker 2: Like we won't have as much ground to stand on
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Speaker 2: when we celebrate it finally happening, So Olivia, there was
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Speaker 2: no public arrest. Now, there was no purp walk.
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Speaker 3: There was no purp walk. There's no mug shot.
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Speaker 2: That's all a bummer.
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Speaker 3: I was so mad to find out they're not doing
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Speaker 3: They're not making him take a mug shot.
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Speaker 2: And did he just not think his hair looked good
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Speaker 2: enough for it? Because you know they're gonna issue like
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Speaker 2: a Trump mug shot T shirt, like an official campaign merch.
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Speaker 3: I mean, if the exception came like directly from him,
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Speaker 3: then I would guess that it's more just he wouldn't
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Speaker 3: want to do that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but his campaign has talked about releasing like a
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Speaker 2: fake mug shot.
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Speaker 3: Well, of course it'll be like his normal headshot with
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Speaker 3: like a CGI.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, for some reason, it'll be a full body thing
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Speaker 2: and he'll be all shredded and shit, like, whoa did
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Speaker 2: he go to prison?
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Speaker 3: Oh wait, he's got six fingers. Oh this is this
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Speaker 3: isn't a real.
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Speaker 2: Look at his teeth, they look normal. This isn't right.
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Speaker 2: But he did look really sad in that image of
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Speaker 2: him going from the DA's office to the court room. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: I was watching this on CNN just because I knew
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Speaker 2: they would be airing it all live. And this thing
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Speaker 2: happens when Trump goes from the DA's office to the courtroom.
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Speaker 2: There are two cops walking ahead of him, and the
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Speaker 2: cop immediately ahead of him opens the door and then
20:57
Speaker 2: just lets it shut without holding it been for Trump.
21:01
Speaker 2: I think the CNN talking heads are correct when they
21:05
Speaker 2: brought up that's probably the first time in like ten
21:08
Speaker 2: years at least that has happened to Donald Trump. And
21:13
Speaker 2: it looked like it registered with him, Like he did
21:17
Speaker 2: not look happy about that. And then he shoots the
21:21
Speaker 2: camera a look when he is walking to that courtroom,
21:27
Speaker 2: and I want it on a T shirt Like that
21:30
Speaker 2: feels like his mug shot.
21:32
Speaker 3: It's the closest we get to that sort of theater.
21:36
Speaker 2: Like it looked like all of the personality was drained
21:40
Speaker 2: out of him.
21:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, he did not look good, which he never.
21:44
Speaker 2: Look Yeah, he never looks good, but he also rarely
21:48
Speaker 2: looks concerned. Yeah, and he looked concerned and bummed out
21:54
Speaker 2: by what he heard.
21:56
Speaker 3: It's like when a cow like is scared of something
21:59
Speaker 3: and you're like, oh, I shouldn't see this emotion in
22:03
Speaker 3: those dumb eyes.
22:05
Speaker 2: There's also one of the courtroom pictures where it could
22:10
Speaker 2: be that thing where they just caught a picture of
22:12
Speaker 2: him at the right moment and his mouth was hursed
22:15
Speaker 2: the correct way, but he looked fucking irate.
22:19
Speaker 3: I'm sure he was pissed, and I was for it, yeah,
22:22
Speaker 3: because I really don't think he's maybe not capable of
22:26
Speaker 3: feeling concerned or sadness, but anger is like his closest thing.
22:32
Speaker 2: Yeah. And CNN was talking to one of his former advisors,
22:37
Speaker 2: who I think works there now, as several former Trump
22:40
Speaker 2: advisors do, of course, great country, Yeah, yeah, And she
22:45
Speaker 2: was talking about how in a situation like this, especially
22:49
Speaker 2: like when Trump was driving to the DA's office, which
22:53
Speaker 2: they followed him in a helicopter the whole way, she
22:57
Speaker 2: was talking about how Trump would want someone in the
23:00
Speaker 2: car with him to like bounce ideas off of and
23:03
Speaker 2: to vent to, and just how dreadful a position that
23:08
Speaker 2: would be to have to be in. She was like,
23:11
Speaker 2: I am glad I'm not the person in the car
23:14
Speaker 2: with him. It's okay, Which, yeah, this is a whole
23:18
Speaker 2: new world. For Trump, it is like he's been getting
23:22
Speaker 2: away with so much shit for so long, like way before,
23:27
Speaker 2: and he might president.
23:28
Speaker 3: Exactly and he might get away with this, but it's
23:31
Speaker 3: a way closer shave than it has been before, and
23:35
Speaker 3: I think it's harder for him to laugh off.
23:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like there's a documentary about Trump trying to build
23:42
Speaker 2: a golf course in Scotland. Oh have you ever? Have
23:46
Speaker 2: you seen it?
23:46
Speaker 3: No, I'm familiar with the story of his Scottish golf club.
23:51
Speaker 2: Like that's all pre president stuff mostly. I think it might,
23:56
Speaker 2: like near the end, kind of tip into when he's
23:59
Speaker 2: running for president.
23:59
Speaker 3: I mean, it's one of the things that is probably
24:03
Speaker 3: the biggest push for him to run for presidents. Being
24:07
Speaker 3: pissed about.
24:08
Speaker 2: That about windmills, about windmills, Like if you're wondering where
24:13
Speaker 2: his crusade against windmills comes from, it's because people wanted
24:17
Speaker 2: to build some in sight of his golf course in Scotland.
24:21
Speaker 2: And the lengths he goes to to ruin those people's lives.
24:26
Speaker 2: That alone, it was like an international war crime. Like
24:30
Speaker 2: the United States should have had to answer for what
24:32
Speaker 2: Trump was doing over there, not just Trump, Like we're
24:36
Speaker 2: the one letting him go over there. Containment baby. But
24:41
Speaker 2: speaking of containment, there wasn't much of that in New
24:44
Speaker 2: York because he immediately again this is like you said,
24:48
Speaker 2: the rich person's way to get arrested. He basically had
24:51
Speaker 2: to check in with the DA and then got on
24:53
Speaker 2: his private plane and flew back to mar A Lago asshole,
24:58
Speaker 2: where Ron DeSantis has said and he will have no
25:00
Speaker 2: part in extra dting Trump. If it ever comes to.
25:04
Speaker 3: That, it's gonna suck his cock a little more. Yeah,
25:06
Speaker 3: what a fucking spineless worm, ro De Santa says.
25:11
Speaker 2: Either that or I could see him being like, no,
25:14
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna extra diet him. I'm putting him in
25:16
Speaker 2: Guantanamo where he belongs so he can't run against me
25:19
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four.
25:21
Speaker 3: No, he is full. He's gonna go collapse into a
25:25
Speaker 3: full ted Cruz worm. I think.
25:28
Speaker 4: So.
25:29
Speaker 3: I mean, this is the first sign of if it's
25:32
Speaker 3: gonna happen, because this is just that classic thing of
25:35
Speaker 3: Trump treating him like dog shits, hating his guts openly,
25:41
Speaker 3: and then the guy being like, yeah, no, you're right, No,
25:44
Speaker 3: it's okay, Yeah, No, it's all right. No, I'm not
25:46
Speaker 3: going to extra die there. It's fine.
25:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe, but like in Republican circles, I could see
25:52
Speaker 2: Ron Desanta's saying that just because it's a good look.
25:55
Speaker 3: It's him. I agree, and like, I don't think any
25:58
Speaker 3: Republican would have. But I think that's because most Republicans
26:01
Speaker 3: are just ready for whatever push they need to turn
26:04
Speaker 3: into Ted cruz Es groveling worms to whoever is the
26:09
Speaker 3: most powerful alpha male.
26:12
Speaker 2: Yeah. So for real, though, people, don't get your hopes up,
26:16
Speaker 2: like the skinland Trump in prison, It'll go for one thing.
26:18
Speaker 2: It's gonna go back and forth in court.
26:20
Speaker 3: Yeah, for a long time. But also, you know, keep
26:23
Speaker 3: your mind open. Who knows, Like there's no reason to
26:26
Speaker 3: lose hope in general.
26:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I don't. I don't think it has
26:31
Speaker 2: to be as black and white as that. I don't
26:33
Speaker 2: think me saying don't get your hopes up is like
26:37
Speaker 2: abandon all hopes.
26:38
Speaker 3: Oh I know.
26:39
Speaker 2: I'm yeah, of course, Like I'm all for the idea
26:43
Speaker 2: of arresting Trump and charging him with fucking something. Yeah,
26:46
Speaker 2: put him in prison for something. Who cares, I don't know.
26:50
Speaker 2: Just build a new prison around mar A Lago.
26:54
Speaker 3: That would actually be a good idea. That would be
26:57
Speaker 3: such a troll, Like it kind of looks like a
27:00
Speaker 3: like fancy prison. It's like this giant walled.
27:04
Speaker 2: Build that wall around mar A Lago a prisoner. So like, yeah,
27:11
Speaker 2: of course I'm all for that, But I do kind
27:14
Speaker 2: of agree with the voices out there who are saying
27:18
Speaker 2: that these charges are probably not the way to actually
27:21
Speaker 2: bring Trump to justice. And that's not just Republicans, no, saying.
27:25
Speaker 3: That, Yeah, this is definitely not like getting him on
27:29
Speaker 3: Stormy Daniels is not justice. No, those are separate concepts.
27:33
Speaker 3: Like He's like, I don't know if you will ever
27:36
Speaker 3: bring him to justice.
27:39
Speaker 2: And if you are out there drinking up that line
27:43
Speaker 2: about how this proves no one is above the law,
27:46
Speaker 2: oh go fuck yourself. Every American president in history has
27:52
Speaker 2: been way, way, way above the law.
27:55
Speaker 3: Every step of this process has enforced the fact that
28:01
Speaker 3: he is above the law. Yeah, he was indicted and said,
28:06
Speaker 3: all right, I'll be there after the weekend, right, flew
28:09
Speaker 3: in on his own, drove up to the courthouse on
28:14
Speaker 3: his own, was walked in, wasn't handcuffed, wasn't purp walked,
28:18
Speaker 3: didn't have a mug shot, wasn't held you know, overnight
28:22
Speaker 3: was allowed to leave after receiving his indictment and then
28:26
Speaker 3: went back. That's above the laws.
28:28
Speaker 2: Pretty far above the law. Also, did you read the
28:31
Speaker 2: New York Times article about his taxes, Like, if that's
28:35
Speaker 2: not sending him to prison, he's pretty much above the law,
28:39
Speaker 2: right exactly, And like George W. Bush should be tried
28:45
Speaker 2: in the fucking Hague for.
28:46
Speaker 3: War crimesolutely, like whole administration Obama assassinated an American citizen. Yeah,
28:53
Speaker 3: it was terrible.
28:55
Speaker 2: Bill Clinton really did commit perjury. Yes, like every America,
29:01
Speaker 2: even Nixon got pardoned by Gerald Ford, Like this proves
29:06
Speaker 2: nothing about people being above the law.
29:08
Speaker 3: No, definitely not. Still should happen because it would be funny.
29:13
Speaker 2: Well, I think this also if I can put my
29:16
Speaker 2: conspiracy hat on for a moment, I know that's not
29:19
Speaker 2: appropriate on this podcast, but man, this would be a
29:23
Speaker 2: good way to make Trump have to do a whole
29:26
Speaker 2: lot of extra campaigning to run for president. Sure, because
29:30
Speaker 2: fighting all of these investigations that are coming is not
29:34
Speaker 2: going to be cheap. Like he's getting off pretty easy
29:38
Speaker 2: so far in terms of how he's being treated by
29:41
Speaker 2: the justice system. But that's because he's rich and he's
29:44
Speaker 2: paying people a lot of money. But that's money he's
29:47
Speaker 2: going to have to keep spending. Yes, Because as much
29:50
Speaker 2: as I keep saying, well, don't get your hopes up
29:51
Speaker 2: about him being arrested here, this is one investigation into Trump.
29:56
Speaker 2: There is also New York Attorney General Latitia j who
30:00
Speaker 2: is investigating the Trump organization for financial crimes, which I
30:06
Speaker 2: think that is kind of tied to that New York
30:08
Speaker 2: Times report, sure, which if people have never read it,
30:12
Speaker 2: Like I talked shit about the New York Times a lot,
30:14
Speaker 2: but yeah, that was solid report, absolutely, Like that should
30:18
Speaker 2: have been much bigger news, yeah than it was.
30:20
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, that was I remember that. That was fucking wild.
30:23
Speaker 2: There's also Fulton County DA Fanny Willis, who is investigating
30:28
Speaker 2: Trump for potential election fraud in Georgia. And that's one
30:32
Speaker 2: of those things where I mean, he committed the crime
30:35
Speaker 2: on the phone. There's a recording of it. Like if
30:40
Speaker 2: that becomes the thing he gets indicted for, right, that
30:44
Speaker 2: could potentially send him to prison.
30:46
Speaker 3: Sure that man, just just keep having Trump Daily News
30:51
Speaker 3: Update flashbacks. Yeah, like, oh yeah, he was he fucking
30:56
Speaker 3: did this on the phone.
30:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, like the was it the ambassador to Ukraine?
31:02
Speaker 2: He was talking to her. Was he talking directly to
31:04
Speaker 2: Zelenski when he was like.
31:06
Speaker 3: I can't remember. I think it was the ambassador, but
31:08
Speaker 3: I can't.
31:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was one of the two. Look, and he
31:11
Speaker 2: was like you want this fucking aid buddy, Yeah, you
31:14
Speaker 2: do what we you He wanted them to like prosecute
31:17
Speaker 2: Joe Biden or.
31:18
Speaker 4: Prosecute Yeah, yeah, he did that ship on the phone, yes, like.
31:23
Speaker 3: And didn't have nothing happened about that really, I mean
31:27
Speaker 3: like like, sure there were consequences or whatever, but.
31:31
Speaker 2: Like, and I mean the argument is always, well, he's
31:34
Speaker 2: a sitting president, so yeah, I can't indict him, But
31:37
Speaker 2: that doesn't explain why there wouldn't have just been indictments
31:40
Speaker 2: waiting for him the minute.
31:41
Speaker 3: Sure he left office.
31:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean I have to imagine, like Joe
31:46
Speaker 2: Biden hasn't commented on this much, and like why would you, Like,
31:52
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily believe that Joe Biden wants to get
31:56
Speaker 2: into the business of indicting former presidents anymore than the Trump.
32:02
Speaker 3: They're sorting tapioca putting in the commissary. He's that's what
32:06
Speaker 3: he's thinking about.
32:09
Speaker 2: There is also the Special Counsel Investigation Jack Smith, who
32:14
Speaker 2: could not possibly look more like the bearded soccer coach
32:18
Speaker 2: from Ted Lasso. So Jack Smith is investigating Trump over
32:22
Speaker 2: the classified documents thing and the possible espionage charges. Sure,
32:29
Speaker 2: which that's a little more serious than what Trump's facing
32:33
Speaker 2: right now, right because you know there are harsh penalties
32:37
Speaker 2: for espionage.
32:38
Speaker 3: Yeah, historically we're not fans of that sort of thing, right, But.
32:42
Speaker 2: Also it's a if we're just talking the having documents
32:47
Speaker 2: somewhere they shouldn't be. It's also a thing we now
32:50
Speaker 2: know Joe Biden did, sure too. Yeah, good job Joe.
32:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, great president, Good choice, guys.
32:57
Speaker 2: So there are lots of possibilities on the table in
33:00
Speaker 2: the future that might work better. So don't abandon all hope,
33:04
Speaker 2: just don't expect that what happened this week means Trump
33:08
Speaker 2: is going to be in a prison jumpsuit next week. No,
33:12
Speaker 2: we're in for a process, and for once in my life,
33:16
Speaker 2: I hope the criminal.
33:17
Speaker 3: Trial is televised. That would be fun.
33:19
Speaker 2: I normally don't go in for that sort of thing,
33:22
Speaker 2: but in Trump's case, fuck it, you like TV so much, Bud,
33:26
Speaker 2: here you go.
33:27
Speaker 3: He would be talking about how his ratings are higher than.
33:30
Speaker 2: OJ's and here's the thing. Yeah, fuck facier president.
33:33
Speaker 3: Also, they might not be because people don't watch TV
33:36
Speaker 3: that very much anymore.
33:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we had to watch TV to get OJ
33:40
Speaker 2: updates or read the National Inquirer, who actually did some
33:43
Speaker 2: amazing reporting around the OJ trial. But yeah, now see
33:48
Speaker 2: those clips on YouTube. So we'd be remiss if we
33:52
Speaker 2: did not talk about some of the conspiracy theories surrounding
33:56
Speaker 2: Trump's indictment. Like number one, Bragg is funded by George Soros,
34:04
Speaker 2: m H.
34:04
Speaker 3: Totally the ninety year old Holocaust. Yes, yeah, that guy.
34:09
Speaker 2: This is Trump's statement shortly after the indictment was announced.
34:13
Speaker 2: This is part of it. Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg, who
34:17
Speaker 2: was handpicked and funded by George Soros, is a disgrace.
34:21
Speaker 2: Rather than stopping the unprecedented crime way of taking over
34:25
Speaker 2: New York City, he's doing Joe Biden's dirty work, ignoring
34:29
Speaker 2: the murders and burglaries and assaults. He should be focused on.
34:33
Speaker 2: This is how Bragg spends his time. End quote. But
34:36
Speaker 2: this also has come up in comments from J. D Vance,
34:41
Speaker 2: Ron DeSantis, pretty much every right wing and or conservative
34:46
Speaker 2: outlet you can name. And here's the thing. It's actually
34:50
Speaker 2: in this case not that crazy of acclaim, because George
34:56
Speaker 2: Soros has been a prolific backer of the progres massive
35:00
Speaker 2: prosecutor movement, which focuses on things like eliminating cash bail,
35:06
Speaker 2: refusing to prosecute lower level crimes, all in the name of,
35:10
Speaker 2: you know, not ending mass incarceration. Obviously, we have a
35:13
Speaker 2: country to run here, We've got to make money somehow,
35:17
Speaker 2: but easing the burden a little bit. So all of
35:20
Speaker 2: the things that if you go to a grocery store
35:24
Speaker 2: here in LA, someone's going to be outside with a
35:27
Speaker 2: petition wanting you to participate in a recall of George Gascon,
35:32
Speaker 2: who is the current LA District Attorney, because he's been
35:37
Speaker 2: implementing a lot of these ideas. And the argument is all,
35:42
Speaker 2: you're letting criminals out, and they're recommitting immediately. So Alvin
35:47
Speaker 2: Bragg is one of those type of prosecutors. He's a
35:51
Speaker 2: Progressive movement prosecutor. And this is why Republicans say he's
35:57
Speaker 2: funded by George source for one thing, George Soros either
36:01
Speaker 2: daughter and son in law or son and daughter in law,
36:04
Speaker 2: I don't know what direction it works. They both donated
36:07
Speaker 2: money to Alvin Bragg, but hey, they're their own people,
36:10
Speaker 2: So that doesn't in and of itself doesn't prove anything.
36:14
Speaker 2: But what happened is a group called Color of Change
36:19
Speaker 2: that also supports the Progressive Prosecutor movement, came out publicly
36:24
Speaker 2: and said that they were going to dedicate roughly one
36:27
Speaker 2: million dollars to supporting Alvin Bragg. Sure, and right around
36:32
Speaker 2: that same time they got a million dollars in financing
36:36
Speaker 2: from George Soros. And the two claim complete coincidence, and like,
36:43
Speaker 2: maybe maybe not sure, but that does explain why Republicans
36:47
Speaker 2: are saying this. The only problem is it's kind of
36:51
Speaker 2: a boy who Cried Wolf thing because Republicans one blame
36:56
Speaker 2: everything on George Soros.
36:58
Speaker 3: Literally, everyone they don't like is paid.
37:00
Speaker 2: By George Soros, and they do it very often in
37:04
Speaker 2: a blatantly anti Semitic way. And so now when they
37:10
Speaker 2: kind of have a talking point, sure, everyone's just like
37:14
Speaker 2: fuck you anti semitic fucks. Like, no one's we're not
37:18
Speaker 2: even going to look into this, And it's like that's
37:20
Speaker 2: what you get. Yeah, there's no crime in discussing or
37:24
Speaker 2: criticizing a person's political views, sure, but when you start
37:28
Speaker 2: calling them the puppet master financier who's pulling the strings
37:34
Speaker 2: behind all of the world's events. People know what the
37:38
Speaker 2: fucking saying horns, Like, people understand what you're saying, even
37:46
Speaker 2: if you don't explicitly say it. So if people aren't
37:49
Speaker 2: taking you seriously this time, fuck you. That's your fault.
37:53
Speaker 2: Is absolutely your fault.
37:55
Speaker 3: And also even taking it seriously. Also, so what who
37:59
Speaker 3: gives a shit this happened? You're like, you're saying that,
38:02
Speaker 3: no conservative donors the Koch Brothers, Yeah, exactly.
38:06
Speaker 2: The Coke Brothers donate to conservative causes all the time.
38:09
Speaker 3: Like the amount of people who are richer and more
38:13
Speaker 3: influential than George Soros on the right, like they have
38:17
Speaker 3: to cling to George Soros because he's basically like our
38:21
Speaker 3: only version of the Koch Brothers.
38:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like, yeah, sometimes rich people donate to
38:27
Speaker 2: causes they care about, like even.
38:29
Speaker 3: In a very loose citousness.
38:32
Speaker 2: And in this case, if George Soros did directly decide, yes,
38:37
Speaker 2: Alvin Bragg is the prosecutor that I want to win
38:41
Speaker 2: this election. Republicans do that shit all the time. George
38:45
Speaker 2: Soros being Jewish has nothing to do with that. Sure, no,
38:49
Speaker 2: And like, yeah, you can criticize that, but you've been
38:53
Speaker 2: doing it in such a shady, racist ass way for
38:57
Speaker 2: so long. Yeah, no one fucking cares.
38:59
Speaker 3: Also, and yeah, no one cares. And you're blowing things
39:03
Speaker 3: out like into such a master proportion that no one
39:06
Speaker 3: can take you seriously.
39:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like in twenty ten, Glenn Beck dedicated a three
39:12
Speaker 2: episode series to George Soros called Exposing George Soros the
39:18
Speaker 2: puppet Master. Yeah, and it's like that's a dog whistle, man.
39:22
Speaker 2: Of course we know how those work.
39:23
Speaker 3: I mean, Glenn Beck is a fucking yeah digot. But
39:26
Speaker 3: I mean, like shit, one of my earliest episodes on
39:31
Speaker 3: on Pops it was about George Soros. Oh yeah, with
39:35
Speaker 3: Dave Weigel.
39:36
Speaker 2: I've done so many from.
39:37
Speaker 3: The Washington Post podcast episodes.
39:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember we've had davon a couple times. Yeah,
39:42
Speaker 2: I remember vaguely doing that episode. And yeah, like George
39:47
Speaker 2: Soros donates money to causes, Yeah, so to the Koch brothers.
39:51
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, that doesn't mean Jews run the media,
39:54
Speaker 2: all right.
39:55
Speaker 3: And well, and it doesn't mean that George Soros is
39:57
Speaker 3: the mastermind of every left wing not even left wing
40:02
Speaker 3: whatever democratic movements.
40:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, we used to have a podcast called What in
40:07
Speaker 2: the World, where we talked about international news and events.
40:12
Speaker 2: We did an episode about George Soros and Hungary in
40:17
Speaker 2: like twenty seventeen or twenty eighteen, long long time ago,
40:21
Speaker 2: and he gets the exact same shit there. Yea, like,
40:25
Speaker 2: Hungary basically views George Soros as the exact same way
40:29
Speaker 2: the American right does, and surprise, surprise, Hungary is also
40:34
Speaker 2: moving in a very authoritary and scary direction.
40:38
Speaker 3: I was about to say Hungary, Hungary has its own
40:41
Speaker 3: issues with right wing lunatics.
40:43
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Hungary is in bad shape.
40:47
Speaker 3: A lot of places are, honestly.
40:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, That's one of the things I've been preaching for
40:53
Speaker 2: years now, is that, Yeah, the United States seems like
40:57
Speaker 2: it's tumbling toward fascism, but Europe there's no, there's no
41:02
Speaker 2: more tumble. No, they are just there in a lot
41:05
Speaker 2: of places.
41:06
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's tough. This is something that's going to boil
41:08
Speaker 3: over and become more of a more of a issue ahead.
41:12
Speaker 3: But it's it sucks.
41:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Christian nationalism. But also not only that.
41:18
Speaker 3: No, it's it's very similar. I mean, like, like I've
41:22
Speaker 3: preached so many times about how right wing ideology is
41:26
Speaker 3: just basically the same with regional quirks like around the world.
41:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, India is going through it.
41:34
Speaker 3: Absolutely loves Trump right now.
41:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, mody is Trump basically.
41:40
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just more well liked and yeah like it.
41:47
Speaker 3: I mean, India is a big country. You can find
41:49
Speaker 3: a lot of people who like a lot of things.
41:51
Speaker 2: Joe Biden fucking likes him.
41:53
Speaker 3: Well, I I know, but that's not exactly like, you know,
41:57
Speaker 3: speaking to his character.
42:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it speaks to Joe. I think it
42:02
Speaker 2: speaks to this country's character. Yeah, Like, India could probably
42:07
Speaker 2: do whatever they want in terms of leaders, and we're
42:09
Speaker 2: not going to say shit no, because they're one of
42:12
Speaker 2: our biggest allies.
42:13
Speaker 3: I mean, it would not make any sense to fuck
42:15
Speaker 3: with them, especially in our current states.
42:19
Speaker 2: No, no, So yeah again, if people are laughing off
42:23
Speaker 2: you're Alvin Bragg George Soros connections, it's your fault. Republicans
42:29
Speaker 2: theory number two. Of course, QAnon has thoughts on this,
42:35
Speaker 2: and their thoughts are that this is the indictment that
42:39
Speaker 2: is going to lead to all of those other arrests.
42:42
Speaker 2: Democrats don't know what kind of trap they're walking into Olivia.
42:46
Speaker 5: Arrests of Democrats, Yes, yes, these people, because now we
42:55
Speaker 5: have set a precedent sure where we have arrested a
43:00
Speaker 5: former president on the shakiest of grounds, but now that
43:06
Speaker 5: means we can go arrest Obama and Bill Clinton.
43:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, for one thing, go ahead.
43:16
Speaker 4: Also, Jimmy Carter, well the fuck I love this idea
43:21
Speaker 4: that they think if an arrest of like Bill Clinton
43:25
Speaker 4: happened and the outfit that arrested him, presumably like the
43:29
Speaker 4: FBI whatever, was like, hey, Bill Clinton really was fucking
43:33
Speaker 4: kids over there on Epstein Island, I think that would
43:37
Speaker 4: probably be all the precedent we would need.
43:40
Speaker 2: I don't know why you would need to backdoor this
43:43
Speaker 2: Trump indictment to land what is a much much bigger indictment.
43:49
Speaker 3: Like they I would say they are high on what
43:53
Speaker 3: the kids call copium. Sure, they're just they just can't.
43:56
Speaker 3: They're just trying. They're just reaching for wherever they can
43:59
Speaker 3: to cope. They're just trying to trying to make it
44:03
Speaker 3: so that their site is winning, even though there's no
44:06
Speaker 3: reasonable reason to think that.
44:08
Speaker 2: And also I don't know if QAnon types know this,
44:13
Speaker 2: but arresting pedophiles is how we set precedents in this country.
44:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, like that's how you.
44:20
Speaker 2: Get to, oh, well, people convicted of drug crimes also
44:24
Speaker 2: can't live within five hundred feet of a school. And also,
44:29
Speaker 2: while you're at it, no homeless encampments within five hundred
44:32
Speaker 2: feet of a school. And it's like, okay, now homeless
44:34
Speaker 2: people and pedophiles are the same, got it? That is
44:39
Speaker 2: that was a rapid descent into fascism. But that's where
44:43
Speaker 2: we are, Like, that's and that's in La.
44:46
Speaker 4: That isn't a thing that the liberal La City.
44:51
Speaker 2: Council enacted, absolutely, and so yeah, if there was actual
44:56
Speaker 2: evidence of presidents committing sex crime against children, sure that
45:02
Speaker 2: would be all the president. You'd need to arrest a
45:05
Speaker 2: former sitting president.
45:07
Speaker 3: Probably, I mean, unless it would get too many people
45:10
Speaker 3: on both sides, like with the Epstein thing, Like that's
45:14
Speaker 3: why nothing will ever come of that, because there's just
45:16
Speaker 3: way too many people who'd get fucked over who have power.
45:20
Speaker 3: But like, yeah, I mean, and also like this is
45:23
Speaker 3: a classic right wing Republican conservative ideological blindness where they
45:28
Speaker 3: think that people on the left would be devastated if
45:32
Speaker 3: former democratic presidents were arrested, when that is simply not
45:36
Speaker 3: the case.
45:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, the only thing that would bother me is if
45:41
Speaker 2: it happened and Trump didn't go down as part of it.
45:45
Speaker 3: Also, surely if we're still talking about like a Epstein
45:49
Speaker 3: revealed and yeah, totally, yeah, absolutely, But like in general,
45:53
Speaker 3: like if Obama got indicted for assassinating an American citizen
45:58
Speaker 3: while he was president, I would not blink an eye.
46:01
Speaker 3: I would be happy yeah about that. So it's just
46:04
Speaker 3: this imbalance in how people on the right perceive the dynamic.
46:09
Speaker 2: Right, And I'm sure I've said it a million times,
46:11
Speaker 2: but it just is so silly to me that people
46:14
Speaker 2: think the guy who is actually on video with Jeffrey
46:19
Speaker 2: Epstein at a party, like just pointing at a series
46:23
Speaker 2: of young girls as they walk by, that's who you
46:26
Speaker 2: think is going to be your savior. Yeah, that's who
46:29
Speaker 2: you think is out here fighting the pedophiles.
46:31
Speaker 3: That's always been the problem with that narrative because that
46:36
Speaker 3: information that you just talked about and more has existed
46:40
Speaker 3: since well before the twenty sixteen election, Like it has
46:43
Speaker 3: been combed over and gone over a million times. Like
46:46
Speaker 3: it's part of the not like national knowledge of Trump
46:50
Speaker 3: as a person is that he fucked with Jeffrey Epstein
46:54
Speaker 3: and like they fucked girls together.
46:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, So what you don't know, though, Olivia, is that
47:02
Speaker 2: former Trump advisor and White House Deputy Chief of Staff
47:05
Speaker 2: Dance Gavino Junior.
47:07
Speaker 3: Oh sure, yeah, Dan Scavino Junior. Huh yeah.
47:10
Speaker 2: This isn't your father's dance, Scavino, this is our dance, Gavino.
47:14
Speaker 2: He tweeted this, the guardrails are off a turning point
47:19
Speaker 2: in the United States of America. There is no going
47:22
Speaker 2: back because you see Q use the phrase there is
47:25
Speaker 2: no going back sure in a twenty nineteen post. So yeah,
47:29
Speaker 2: they are the only two people to have ever used
47:31
Speaker 2: that phrase. I mean in American political discourse.
47:35
Speaker 3: Are we saying that he's Q? I gotta understand. So wait,
47:39
Speaker 3: so they're saying because like him using that phrase was
47:43
Speaker 3: a message.
47:44
Speaker 2: Yes, okay Jesus in that this is the indictment.
47:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, because he wasn't being a drama queen.
47:51
Speaker 2: There was a Q drop where he mentioned that there
47:55
Speaker 2: would be one indictment that would kick off all the
47:58
Speaker 2: other indictments.
47:59
Speaker 3: I feel like I would have wanted the great profit
48:03
Speaker 3: que if I were a huge Trump fan to say
48:06
Speaker 3: that the person who is going to be indicted was
48:09
Speaker 3: going to be trump yause otherwise, why make it so vague.
48:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, you would think they they'd see that part coming.
48:15
Speaker 3: That feels like a pretty big piece.
48:17
Speaker 2: And yeah, they are again convinced that this sets the
48:21
Speaker 2: precedent for arresting the global cabal of sex traffickers. And
48:28
Speaker 2: I mean that would certainly be a Would that be
48:32
Speaker 2: an easy way for like the CIA to pull off
48:36
Speaker 2: a coup here because we're getting into the deep fakes
48:40
Speaker 2: era and they're they're getting pretty convincing.
48:43
Speaker 3: Uh huh, so how would they Well, all.
48:47
Speaker 2: We need now is a bunch of like deep fake
48:49
Speaker 2: child porn videos of presidents.
48:52
Speaker 3: But like, how would that lead to a coup?
48:54
Speaker 2: Because you arrest all the Democrats?
48:56
Speaker 3: But how would that lead to a coup? I still
48:59
Speaker 3: need to take over the government.
49:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I probably would, But like if they're willing
49:04
Speaker 2: to go to those lift, I don't know.
49:05
Speaker 3: I don't think there's any part of this that makes
49:06
Speaker 3: any sense.
49:08
Speaker 2: So not if it makes sense, Like.
49:10
Speaker 3: I really don't think that that would happen. Like, I
49:12
Speaker 3: don't think arresting previous presidents would impact the current administration,
49:18
Speaker 3: not necessarily unless they are unless you're saying they're gonna
49:21
Speaker 3: deep fake Joe Biden fucking a kid.
49:23
Speaker 2: Probably why wouldn't they?
49:24
Speaker 3: Of course, I don't know who cares. I don't care
49:27
Speaker 3: if Joe Biden gets arrested. God, I hate that they
49:30
Speaker 3: make me keep saying this.
49:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, but I don't know.
49:36
Speaker 3: I mean, look, I mean, I don't think there's any
49:39
Speaker 3: benefit of theorizing on whether a Q what would happen
49:44
Speaker 3: if a Q theory turned out to be right, because
49:46
Speaker 3: they never have.
49:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't think they're right. It's just obviously
49:51
Speaker 2: a thing that can be exploited, and sure it's been
49:54
Speaker 2: exploited already.
49:56
Speaker 3: I just don't think it would be exploited that way.
49:58
Speaker 3: I feel like that's a really complicated and over like
50:02
Speaker 3: easily provable like way to do that when you could
50:06
Speaker 3: use deep fakes in way better ways.
50:08
Speaker 2: We got to get into deep fakes.
50:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, that's the next direction on popular opinion
50:13
Speaker 3: deep fakes. Yeah.
50:14
Speaker 2: I need to be able to just type like a
50:16
Speaker 2: couple phrases into a thing, Yeah, and it just talks.
50:19
Speaker 3: Well, we'll run it past our AI division.
50:22
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, we'll get our team of engineers on engineers
50:26
Speaker 2: off camera. Yeah, can you look into thank you?
50:29
Speaker 3: Okay? Cool? Yeah that was fast.
50:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're gonna they're gonna run it through legal and then.
50:33
Speaker 3: You know, you should really give these people some time off.
50:36
Speaker 3: They're here like twenty four hours a day.
50:39
Speaker 2: Hard disagree, really hard disagree.
50:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, well look, I mean, like the bottles of pee
50:44
Speaker 3: are really they axent the room nicely?
50:47
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, they got a dreamochrome in exactly.
50:50
Speaker 3: Oh, okay, that's where you get the a dream at Grimo.
50:52
Speaker 2: I was wondering, Yeah, it's actually a lot less complicated
50:55
Speaker 2: than Q makes it.
50:55
Speaker 3: So let's just piss.
50:57
Speaker 2: You just drink piss. Anyone's piss, anyone's actually will keep
51:00
Speaker 2: you you just so that young forever.
51:03
Speaker 3: That's where all the adrenochrome goes into the piss, Yes,
51:06
Speaker 3: straight into the piss.
51:08
Speaker 2: Don't drink piss, you know.
51:10
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure you can get adrenochrome from like anybody.
51:12
Speaker 3: It doesn't need to be a kid. That's why I've
51:14
Speaker 3: never won. I've always wondered why they get fixated one that.
51:17
Speaker 2: Oh it tastes the best?
51:18
Speaker 3: Oh is that literally the reason that they say? I mean, like,
51:22
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised.
51:23
Speaker 2: I don't know. There's maybe it's the freshest keeps you young, sure,
51:28
Speaker 2: which I love that argument that keeps you young? How
51:30
Speaker 2: democrats stay young and immortal? It's like, have you seen
51:34
Speaker 2: Nancy Pelosi?
51:35
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Well she's actually three hundred years old, so
51:38
Speaker 3: it's oh kind of impressive.
51:40
Speaker 2: That stands to reason.
51:42
Speaker 3: Well, I'm just like, I just to understand how anything
51:45
Speaker 3: made out of like concentrated adrenaline or whatever the fuck
51:47
Speaker 3: adrenochrome is can like make you young.
51:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it seems like it's.
51:52
Speaker 3: Gonna do a number on your body.
51:54
Speaker 2: Well that's because we're not rich enough to understand.
51:57
Speaker 3: Of course.
51:57
Speaker 2: Of course we haven't reached that level of la liberal
52:02
Speaker 2: elite yet.
52:03
Speaker 3: Are we gonna get some fakeddrina chrome?
52:05
Speaker 2: We're getting there, though, We're getting there.
52:07
Speaker 3: Some AI generative crow.
52:12
Speaker 2: All right, I think I think that's kind of all
52:15
Speaker 2: there is.
52:15
Speaker 3: So far so far. I'm sure we'll have to talk
52:18
Speaker 3: about Trump more.
52:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, we didn't get into like Trump's rants after him,
52:24
Speaker 2: like naming the like DA's daughter or something.
52:27
Speaker 3: Social media posts from him that aren't tweets. I don't
52:30
Speaker 3: know where he is doing social media.
52:32
Speaker 2: Truth, social war, and they're not called tweets, they're called.
52:37
Speaker 3: Truths, sure, I said posts, Okay, do they not like
52:40
Speaker 3: posts e there truths, but are they because I'm pretty
52:44
Speaker 3: sure nothing Trump has ever written has been true.
52:48
Speaker 2: Not on truth Social. Everything's true on truth Social. That's
52:51
Speaker 2: why they call it truth Social.
52:53
Speaker 3: Well that's great. I'm so glad that he's there.
52:56
Speaker 2: Anyway, follow me in Olivia on truth Social of course.
52:58
Speaker 3: Yeah, Hi there High on truth Social.
53:02
Speaker 2: Might be Yeah, who knows. I think that's our episode
53:05
Speaker 2: for now.
53:06
Speaker 3: Yeah.
53:06
Speaker 2: Sure, we'll bring this up again absolutely several times. Do
53:10
Speaker 2: we have anything to plug before we get out of here?
53:15
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53:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a process.
53:26
Speaker 3: Sure, it's a process.
53:28
Speaker 2: And a new show.
53:29
Speaker 3: It's tough.
53:30
Speaker 2: It'll be up very soon.
53:31
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's coming soon, coming soon to a pod feed
53:35
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53:40
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53:44
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53:50
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53:53
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53:56
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54:09
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54:13
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54:18
Speaker 2: Got a got a barn burner of an article coming
54:21
Speaker 2: up about how Joe Biden is actually the new Ronald Reagan,
54:26
Speaker 2: not Donald Trump. So there's gonna be that. And also
54:33
Speaker 2: there's gonna be some tweaks to the network soon, so
54:37
Speaker 2: be on the lookout for all of that. It's gonna
54:39
Speaker 2: be some new shows, it's gonna be some shows going away,
54:41
Speaker 2: and uh, that's all very exciting and fun, and I
54:46
Speaker 2: think that is it. Let's get out of here, Olivia,
54:50
Speaker 2: say goodbye bye, goodbye, everybody.
54:52
Speaker 3: We love you. To be destroyed.
55:08
Speaker 1: Stretch your basbout to be destroyed.