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Diddy Trial + RHONY Exile: #TrueCrimeThursdays with Eboni K. Williams · Reality with The King

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Reality with the King. It's me Carlos Kings,
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  Speaker 1: the King of Reality TV and one of the most
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  Speaker 1: sought after executive producers in reality television with over ten
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  Speaker 1: years a production experience. Twice a week on Reality with
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  Speaker 1: the King, we'll sit down with my friends across the
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  Speaker 1: entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows and revisit un
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  Speaker 1: forgettable moments that we are still talking and tweeting about.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, rain drops.
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  Speaker 1: On today's episode of Reality with the King, we have
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  Speaker 1: to talk about all things reality television, but we also
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  Speaker 1: got to talk about all things that are happening in
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  Speaker 1: the reality of the world. In this particular case, both
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  Speaker 1: are intersected because p Diddy was a reality star who
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  Speaker 1: started making the band I want to work for Diddy,
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  Speaker 1: And he did have a Sean Thomos show that was
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  Speaker 1: going to come out this year, but it got canceled
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  Speaker 1: due to everything going on. So welcome to True Crime
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  Speaker 1: Thursdays Reality with the King Edition. And I cannot do
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  Speaker 1: this alone, so I am here with my good friend
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  Speaker 1: Legal Ego Honey. She is also a judge. She is
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  Speaker 1: the host of.
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  Speaker 2: The award winning podcast Holding Court.
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  Speaker 1: So y'all know how I'm talking about the beautiful, the talented,
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  Speaker 1: the amazing woman and mother that she is. Give it
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  Speaker 1: up for Ebony K.
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  Speaker 3: Williams rain Drops, Hello darlings, and the King. I salute you, honey.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get into all of it. I like that framing though, too.
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  Speaker 3: I like true crime. What are we doing true crime
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  Speaker 3: Thursdays with the King?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? True crime Thursdays. Because the thing is this, I'm into.
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  Speaker 1: All things true crime. I'm launching a new series that
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  Speaker 1: is coming out in June, so stay tuned for that
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  Speaker 1: is in a true crime space. But with this ditty
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  Speaker 1: stuff happening, it hit me Ebany that it is the
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  Speaker 1: intersection of true crime reality star because Puff was on.
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  Speaker 2: Making the band.
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  Speaker 1: I want to work for Diddy the four on Fox
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  Speaker 1: that I worked on alongside him, DJ Calla and Meghan Trainer.
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  Speaker 1: So I do want to get into a lot that's
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  Speaker 1: been happening because what's going on in this case has
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  Speaker 1: been the talk of the town for the past like
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  Speaker 1: year year and a half. So to update everybody who
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  Speaker 1: has been living under roped.
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  Speaker 2: As you all know, Mediamogo, SEANP.
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  Speaker 1: Ded Combs is in jail for allegedly because he hasn't
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  Speaker 1: been found guilty for alleged crimes of sex trafficking.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that's what he's in jail for.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 2: What has been happening for the past three days?
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  Speaker 1: The trial has started and as of today's taping, we
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  Speaker 1: are going to discuss the first couple of days of
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  Speaker 1: the trial, and mie K Williams is going to update
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  Speaker 1: us on exactly what's been happening.
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  Speaker 2: So they want to trial his former girlfriend.
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  Speaker 1: Cassie Ventura, who is eight months pregnant, had to suffer
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  Speaker 1: through being a witness in this case by talking about
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  Speaker 1: some of the things she experienced, and I want Ebony.
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  Speaker 2: To update us on all things going on. So Ebonie,
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  Speaker 2: what is going on in this case and why is
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  Speaker 2: Cassie a part of me? Because we saw.
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  Speaker 1: The video where he physically harmed her at the lobby
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  Speaker 1: of a hotel in the hallway. I'm sorry, but this
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  Speaker 1: case is not about domestic violence. This case is about
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  Speaker 1: sex trafficking. So can you educate us on what's been
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  Speaker 1: going on and how Cassie is involved in this from
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  Speaker 1: that arena?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so broad, Carlos. The magnitude of what we're
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  Speaker 3: talking about by virtue of first of all, the magnitude
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  Speaker 3: of Sean Diddy Combs. Right, we are his contemporary. We
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  Speaker 3: were raised on the cultural impact of this man and
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  Speaker 3: this entity, you know, because that is exactly what he is.
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  Speaker 3: And put a pin in entity and enterprise because that's
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  Speaker 3: actually part of this case.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: So when we think all things music, but also fashion,
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  Speaker 3: also liquor and spirits, also television, also h all the
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  Speaker 3: things from every genre of the industry, there's nowhere you
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  Speaker 3: can really go and Sean Combe's or bad boy or
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  Speaker 3: sorock or some you know, Comb's enterprises doesn't touch it.
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  Speaker 3: So let me start with that framing, just so folks
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  Speaker 3: can really appreciate the magnitude of the defendant. It's hard
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  Speaker 3: to equate it to anything, but think of the magnitude
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  Speaker 3: of an O. J. Simpson where it was the NFL,
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  Speaker 3: but it was hurts, it was uh naked just uh
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  Speaker 3: was it naked whatever those movies were that he was on.
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  Speaker 3: You know, yes, thank you think that for our generation, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: And many people Carlos are going ahead and claiming this
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  Speaker 3: case as the case of our century. You know, if
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  Speaker 3: oj was the case of the twentieth century, this is
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  Speaker 3: certainly the case thus far of the twenty first century,
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  Speaker 3: and my legal peers are framing it that way. So
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  Speaker 3: that sets the stage. Now let's go to the charges.
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  Speaker 3: You correctly cited that one of the main because it's
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  Speaker 3: really five major charges that are in this federal indictment,
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  Speaker 3: the three original the sex trafficking is one of them,
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  Speaker 3: but they are joined with two very important co charges
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  Speaker 3: transporting for the sake of prostitution and the biggie as
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  Speaker 3: we're kind of calling it in legal communities, the conspiracy
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  Speaker 3: and racketeering.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Then there were two what we call superseding indictments, Carlos.
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  Speaker 3: So these were indictments that came after the first charges
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  Speaker 3: dropped and the homes were invaded in Miami and Los
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  Speaker 3: Angeles and the raids and all of that. That was
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  Speaker 3: when we got those first three charges sex trafficking, racketeering,
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  Speaker 3: and conspiracy, and then transporting with prostitution.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Then we got two additional which means that the government
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  Speaker 3: in this case, when I say the government, I want
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  Speaker 3: to be clemed i ab out the United States of America,
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  Speaker 3: the Federal Government v.
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  Speaker 4: Shan Colmes. That's the title of this case. Okay. Again,
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  Speaker 4: scope and magnitude.
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  Speaker 3: They were asking after the first indictment Carlos, then prosecutor
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  Speaker 3: black man by the name of Damian Williams. He has
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  Speaker 3: sent stepped down from this case, but he was the
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  Speaker 3: original prosecutor on the case. He was asking for more
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  Speaker 3: witnesses and more victims, more alleged victims to what come forward.
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  Speaker 3: He was saying, we're still working on this case. Baby,
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  Speaker 3: it's not cooked, as the kids would say. It is
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  Speaker 3: still an active investigation. But based on the facts, evidence
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  Speaker 3: and proposed witnesses we have thus far, we've put forth
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  Speaker 3: the first set of indictment.
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  Speaker 4: Then, very calm in the lo Carlos. This is not uncommon.
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  Speaker 4: I want to be clear.
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  Speaker 3: We have superseding indictments, indictments that come after the initial
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  Speaker 3: framing of the charges because we've got what, more witnesses,
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  Speaker 3: more facts, more pieces of evidence to add on to
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  Speaker 3: the first set of charges. So there's an additional sex
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  Speaker 3: trafficking charge and an additional transportation for the sake of
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  Speaker 3: prostitution charge, So five total charges we're talking about here. Now,
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  Speaker 3: let me get to your question, because it is the
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  Speaker 3: question of the case thus far. When we talk about
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  Speaker 3: the video that many of us first saw when CNN
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  Speaker 3: broke this news last year, and we all bore witness
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  Speaker 3: to the horrific traumatic, extraordinarily violent, just unconscionable. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: we saw a madman on camera right kicking, beating, dragging
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  Speaker 3: a woman that didn't even have on shoes or socks,
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  Speaker 3: and we were all horrified to see it. But you're
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  Speaker 3: absolutely right. There were no and still are no criminal
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  Speaker 3: charges attached to that tape.
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  Speaker 4: Zero none, not.
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  Speaker 3: That would have been domestic violence or some type of
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  Speaker 3: assault in the California jurisdiction, statute of limitations ran on it,
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  Speaker 3: because I just wanted to lay this out for the
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  Speaker 3: rain drops, Carlos.
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  Speaker 4: Why not criminal charges on that?
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  Speaker 3: It's because the statute of limitations, the statute of limitations
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  Speaker 3: had already run on that tape.
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  Speaker 4: That tape was I'll get you the year in a second,
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  Speaker 4: but it was.
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  Speaker 3: It was the one year window, and which would have
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  Speaker 3: been the state level that would have allowed it, and
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  Speaker 3: the three year federal window. Both of them were expired.
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  Speaker 3: So there are no criminal charges as it relates to that.
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  Speaker 3: Now you're asking great question, why are we even talking
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  Speaker 3: about this tape? Why was it the first piece of
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  Speaker 3: evidence that the prosecutors put into evidence on this.
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  Speaker 4: Federal trial that seemingly has nothing to do with it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I want the rain Drops to think about at
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  Speaker 3: least two things being true at the same time. So
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  Speaker 3: what we see on that video is absolutely domestic violence
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  Speaker 3: and it is absolutely not a charge in this case.
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  Speaker 3: So anybody did y'all see saying that they are right?
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  Speaker 3: And also this part it's very important, Carlos, the prosecutors
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  Speaker 3: in the federal indictment cite aspects that we do see
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  Speaker 3: on this video physical assault. I want to read it
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  Speaker 3: verbatim because I don't want this to get into any
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  Speaker 3: what Ebony thought of what Ebony said on this one,
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  Speaker 3: because the stakes are too high.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure you can appreciate that.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: This is clause four. If you pull up any this
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  Speaker 3: is public record.
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  Speaker 4: Rain Drops.
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  Speaker 3: Pull up the original indictment of the United States of
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  Speaker 3: America v. Shan Colmes. You will see in the very
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  Speaker 3: first caption they lay out the racketeering and conspiracy part
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  Speaker 3: Clause go paragraph for number four physical abuse by Sean Colmes.
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  Speaker 3: This is the government talking physical abuse by Sean Combs's
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  Speaker 3: aka Puff Daddy akap DD aka Black.
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  Speaker 4: The defendant.
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  Speaker 3: Was recurrent and widely known on numerous occasions from at
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  Speaker 3: least two thousand and nine to continuing years, Combs assaulted
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  Speaker 3: women by doing, amongst other things, striking, punching, dragging, throwing
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  Speaker 3: objects at and kicking them. These assaults were at times
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  Speaker 3: witnessed this is Keith. They were witnessed by other folks.
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  Speaker 3: They included an instance in the Los Angeles hotel.
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  Speaker 4: This is the specific video.
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  Speaker 3: We're talking about here in or about that's the year
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  Speaker 3: March of twenty sixteen and was later reported where Comb's kicked,
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  Speaker 3: dragged and threw a vase at a woman. We now
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  Speaker 3: know that woman to be Cassie Ventura as she was
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  Speaker 3: attempting to leave when a member of the hotel security intervened.
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  Speaker 4: By the way rain drops.
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  Speaker 3: That was the very first witness that the pro secution
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  Speaker 3: put on the witness stay in day one. The first
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  Speaker 3: witness we heard was from was that security guard, that
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  Speaker 3: security officer. Really he was a security guard. And that's important, Flores,
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  Speaker 3: go ahead, Carlos.
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  Speaker 1: And from my understanding, the security guard is now a
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  Speaker 1: police officer for the Los Angeles to Police Department, I believe.
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  Speaker 2: And what was so interesting is and I want you
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  Speaker 2: to explain this to me. So allegedly he did.
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  Speaker 1: He contacted the then security guard to confiscate the footage
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  Speaker 1: of what he did to Cassie. And is it true
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  Speaker 1: that the security guard said on the stand that he
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  Speaker 1: and I believe his then girlfriend or wife he showed
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  Speaker 1: it to her.
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  Speaker 2: And did not give it to the police. Is that true?
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  Speaker 4: More or less? So?
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  Speaker 3: Right? So, because I had that first question too, I
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  Speaker 3: was like, well, why did you record this on your
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  Speaker 3: cell phone?
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  Speaker 4: Sir? Right?
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  Speaker 3: And the answer that he said and admits to, which
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  Speaker 3: I thought was very cringe quite frankly, was that the
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  Speaker 3: only reason that he recorded this was not for some
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  Speaker 3: moral high ground to It was not to prove law enforcement.
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  Speaker 3: It was so that he can show his lady. I'm
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  Speaker 3: not sure if it was his wife or not, but
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  Speaker 3: so that he could show his lady. Look, look, look
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  Speaker 3: and see what happened to me at work today. Look
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  Speaker 3: and see yah, see judge, But look and see what
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  Speaker 3: I saw. Sean Combs this victim so that he could
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  Speaker 3: be believed by his romantic partner.
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  Speaker 4: So this is very interesting.
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  Speaker 3: I want to make a point too that the read
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  Speaker 3: because many people said, well, why didn't he go to
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  Speaker 3: the police, Why didn't he do that? Well, y'all, remember
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  Speaker 3: he's working in what a commercial capacity at that time,
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  Speaker 3: He's working for the hotel.
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  Speaker 4: Now he's not law enforcement.
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  Speaker 3: And see this is where you know Black Comedy has
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  Speaker 3: been joking about this for years, right, these toy cops,
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  Speaker 3: no disrespect, but secure we must be. This is very important.
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  Speaker 3: Security guards are not law enforcement. They're not they have
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  Speaker 3: no they're not duty bound in that same way. So
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  Speaker 3: his main reason for being there was to protect the
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  Speaker 3: what the property of the hotel, and that's why what
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  Speaker 3: we heard him testify to Carlos on opening day of
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  Speaker 3: trial was that he would be letting mister Combs know
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  Speaker 3: that the damage done by his abusive episode we show
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  Speaker 3: up on the hotel bill. He's there to make sure
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  Speaker 3: that the property is safe, not that the individuals per
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  Speaker 3: se in the hotel. That's what police are for.
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  Speaker 1: So a question for you, by this being a case
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  Speaker 1: that outlines sex trafficking and the other things you outline,
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  Speaker 1: Cassie's testimony is important. Tell me why her testimony is
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  Speaker 1: important as it relates to us hearing about these freakoffs
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  Speaker 1: that allegedly and god, I'm saying alleged because he hasn't
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  Speaker 1: found guilty so I'm not just right, Ebony. Why are
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  Speaker 1: the freak off details important in this case as Cassie
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  Speaker 1: has to unfortunately be a month pregnant living through this
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  Speaker 1: by giving her testimony in front of the man who
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  Speaker 1: he saw abuse her.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, so this is very important, the freakoff testimony, but
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  Speaker 3: also the videotape. What I believe the prosecution is doing
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  Speaker 3: the government in this case, Carlos, is they are slow walking.
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  Speaker 3: Let's back up. We've already been told that this case
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  Speaker 3: will likely be six to eight weeks long.
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  Speaker 4: That's a long time. Think about all that we've already heard.
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  Speaker 4: How many already.
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  Speaker 3: Right, whether you think he's guilty or not, or it
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  Speaker 3: rises to the occasion of criminal activity or not.
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  Speaker 4: There's been a lot of.
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  Speaker 3: And we're on day three barely okay, and we're talking
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  Speaker 3: about six to eight weeks more of this. So that
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  Speaker 3: tells me that the prosecution is slow walking. The factual
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  Speaker 3: foundation is what they're laying, Carlos, taking their time, and
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  Speaker 3: unfortunately I agree with you, but it's necessary. If you're
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  Speaker 3: gonna get a conviction, you have got to have a
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  Speaker 3: cooperating witness. And I think it's very important that people
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  Speaker 3: acknowledge that Cassie not only is testifying at her vulnerable,
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  Speaker 3: fragile condition of being eight months pregnant, she's doing so
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  Speaker 3: under her own name.
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  Speaker 4: And she didn't have to do that. She could have. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: she made a decision. She chose to do that, Carlos King.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yes, she chose to with forego a pseudonym, because
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  Speaker 3: she could have been testifying as Jane Do one. As
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  Speaker 3: we're being told future victims, alleged victims will be testifying
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  Speaker 3: under pseudonyms Je Chambo two, Maybe there's a Jane Doe three.
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  Speaker 4: We don't know.
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  Speaker 3: But the fact that Cassie Venturer says, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 3: it's me. I am a famous woman in my own right.
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  Speaker 3: This culture and community know me as it relates to
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  Speaker 3: this man. And I believe she must believe, Carlos, that
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  Speaker 3: it is persuasive for her to stand in receiving the consequences.
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  Speaker 3: Because let's be clear, we all know victim shaming is real.
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  Speaker 3: We've already all seen it already on the internet. It
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  Speaker 3: relates to her testimony. Sound like she wanted it, sound
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  Speaker 3: like she liked it, sound like she deserved it. Why
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  Speaker 3: she stay okay? So she knew she would be receiving
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  Speaker 3: that she's not a dummy.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: She's saying, even with that coming my way as I
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  Speaker 3: carry my third child in uterow okay, and that's important.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm gonna be personal, Carlos, as a woman that
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  Speaker 3: just gave birth nine months ago. What we know scientifically
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  Speaker 3: now is that the neuro system of the mother of
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  Speaker 3: the gestational carrier directly impacts.
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  Speaker 4: The fetus and the child. So you better know that that.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure her doctor told her you withdrawing withstanding, rather
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  Speaker 3: that level of stress and emotional turmoil while your baby
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  Speaker 3: is still in final development, is you're paying a price, okay.
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  Speaker 3: And she decided to pay that price on behalf of
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  Speaker 3: the fact that she felt it was so necessary that
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  Speaker 3: while this case is not being televised, that's why none
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  Speaker 3: of us have seen actual photos of anybody, including Sean Holmes.
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  Speaker 4: What have we seen, Carlos these drawings at miss right.
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  Speaker 3: She's still saying, people, I want them to know my name,
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  Speaker 3: I want them to know that this is me, Cassandra Ventura,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm telling what happened to me, and I'm telling
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  Speaker 3: my truth.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 3: Why is the abuse and the freak offs and the
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  Speaker 3: violent behavior in the freak offs. So important that we
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  Speaker 3: know these details because the government, Carlos, is arguing that
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  Speaker 3: all of that creates their case to argue conspiracy and racketeering.
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  Speaker 3: So two things about that, right, So that's why when
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  Speaker 3: I read I took the time to read this that
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  Speaker 3: you know what they're alleging In the first complaint, in
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  Speaker 3: the first indictment, they're saying, part of what because racketeering, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: that what does that mean? That means criminal enterprise at play.
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  Speaker 3: That's why we think of mafia when we hear Rico.
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  Speaker 2: Is that the reason why the FED.
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  Speaker 1: Ransack his Beverly Hills a stay and took and and
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  Speaker 1: did the investigation, allegedly took guns and all that stuff because.
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  Speaker 3: And all at the same time, because when you're dealing
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  Speaker 3: with a Rico, a racketeering conspiracy, that means you've got
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  Speaker 3: multiple players, if you will, multiple agents with different tasks
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  Speaker 3: of executing the criminal activity. And that means if I'm
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  Speaker 3: in Miami and I'm a part of the Combs enterprise,
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  Speaker 3: alleged criminal enterprise, and I'm and I see the cops
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  Speaker 3: coming or the Homeland Security in this case, coming, and
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  Speaker 3: what am I gonna do? I'm gonna text Carlos King,
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  Speaker 3: who's at the LA spot and he's also a part
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  Speaker 3: of the and I'm gonna say, hey, hey, Carlos, they're
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: they just came in on us in Miami get rid
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: of all the evidence in La so in an effort
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: to avoid the destruction of evidence, the collaboration of people trying.
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: To get their stories straightened together.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: This is how the the you know, the the This
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: is how they they let they put you on notice
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: right that that they're they're closing in on you, and
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: they do it in that simultaneous way. It was not
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: very different than what we saw with r. Kelly or
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: where he had Atlanta charges, but he also had Chicago.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: This is what the rico of it all comes into play,
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: multiple different pockets, most of the time in different places,
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: but all working in concert. That's a legal term, working
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: in concert, Carlos, meaning together for the execution of a
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: shared criminal agenda.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: And part of that one more thing, because I'm sorry
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: to keep talking about I want to yeah. And and
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: they're saying that part of the criminal activity was the abuse,
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: was the kicking, punching, dragging of women. That's a part
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: of what they were conspiring, Because what are we conspiring
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: to do if we're just if we're conspiring.
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: To make red kool aid, that's not a crime. We
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: can do that, Carlos. But if we're.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: Conspiring to punch and kick people, that's criminal. Now we're
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: conspiring to commit a crime. So you've got to articulate
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: before you can get to the conspiracy, because that's what
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: everybody on social media that I'm hearing and reading and
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: listening and traveling, you and your raindrops too. Where's the rico?
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: Where's the conspiracy? Okay, domestic violence? I see that, got it.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: He's out on trial for that. Where is the conspiracy?
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: The rico, the racketeering, and the working in concert, the
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: collusion if you will, you cannot collude by yourself. So
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: but I'm thinking that the prosecution has made a tactical
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: decision here, Carlos, and a strategic decision to say, oh,
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: we're gonna get to the various members of Sean Combs's enterprise,
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: whether they be because they worked for bad Boy at
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: a time, or they were his personal assistant, or maybe
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: they were security guards, or maybe they were drivers, or
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: maybe they were Heaven Forbid executives of some sort a
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: you know, the various business entities that he controlled, because
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: this is all about him being in control of all
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: these people and various enterprise. But before we get to that,
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: we we're gonna take our time in slow walk what
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: the criminal activity itself was, and it was the physical abuse.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: They're gonna eventually they're go. They kind of are starting
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: to allude to the Arson. So we heard in today
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: day three testimony the reference to Kid Cuddy okay, who
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: at one time was a boyfriend, a short term boyfriend
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: of Cassie, I think around twenty eleven, she says, when
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: her and Shaan Colmes were on the rocks, Sean colmebs
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: catches with of this relationship between Cassie and Cutty, threatens
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: to harm both of them. She says, she at some
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: point calls Key Cutty. He pulls up on the on
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: the curve, picks her up, takes her to his home.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: At some point she goes anyways, and and Sean Holmes says,
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: I'm going to blow his car up. So that's Arson.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: That that that that would be a threat of arson, okay.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: And then, as per The New York Times, Kid Cuddy
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: confirmed that some days after that threat of arson was made,
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: his car indeed exploded in the driveway. So this is
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: where the government is pulling that fact of Okay, part
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: of the criminal activity was the arson. Part of the
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: criminal activity was the physical abuse. Uh, let's get to
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: the freak offs because you asked about it, Carlos. Part
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: of the criminal activity was sexual at sexual sex, sexual activity,
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: sexual behavior, but not done voluntarily. She talked about on
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: the witness stand today. Many people were shot. She said
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: she was rape She used the rape word, Carlos. She said,
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: Sean Holmes raped me after some event and she said
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: he had dark eyes, his eyes were blacked out, and
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: he raped her. Okay, So that would be criminal activity.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: And if the prosecution can prove Carlos that other people
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: were involved in the execution of him being able to
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: rape her, and this could be simple. This could be
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: as simple as his driver taking him to the destination
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: where the rape occurred, if the driver had knowledge that
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: Shawn Holmes was going there with the intention to commit
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: a crime, to do something illegal. Because now we're conspiring,
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: I'm helping you execute criminal activity.
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: That would make me a co conspirator.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Is it starting to it? Really is child.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: We are just getting started. This is reality with the King,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into the show.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Is it starting up? Yeah, No, it really is.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Because one of the questions that a lot of people
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: had ebony is sort of the salaciousness of the details
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: that Cassie's providing in her testimony. But now it all
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: makes sense because what we are hearing are some very
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: silations details that is Cassie's truth, which is the sort
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: of escort she had to be with.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: She's been cross examined.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: About whether or not it was elective or was she
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: forced to do it.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: Let's let's be easy on that word cross exam, Carlos,
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: because it's very important.
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: We're gonna get to right. This is still direct exam.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: But you're right, he's being questioned.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: She's been question No, that's why your hair. I'm not
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: the legal ease, but thank you for that.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: She is being questioned whether or not it was forced
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: or she's being questioned if it was elective.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Some of the things that people are saying because.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: I want to know if media is going to play
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: a role in this, or is the sort of details
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: of the story going to color it for the jury.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: So when we hear things like the sort of and
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: this is obviously you know it's explicit, but I'll say
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: the proper words, ejaculation that occurred doing a freak off,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: and allegedly she had to take that and wipe it
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: on puff nipples as his way of having a satisfaction.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: They talked about one escort urinating in her mouth. Can
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: you tell me why these very specific details are important.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Is it to paint the picture of what Cassie had
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: to endure or is it to really show that what
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: you said earlier, we are giving you step by step
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: leading into the ultimate racketeering. Recall all those things sex trafficking.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: So we gotta be as detail as possible.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: It's both, So let me start with where you just landed.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: They have to be as detailed as possible. How dare
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: any prosecutor, because don't forget Carlos. As much as I'm
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: making the case and laying out the facts, I am
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: a criminal defense lawyer by trade.
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: That's what I did for a living.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: I was first a public defender and then I was
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: a private lawyer for a defendants. So how dare a
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: prosecutor come in my face and try to convict my
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: client without specificity, period, that would be a gas to
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: the law. So they are required to be as absolutely
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: specific as available. So if there is a specific fact,
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: whether it's urine in a pool, whether it's twenty five
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: bottles of baby oil, whether it's the ejaculation you're urinating
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: to the point where she can't breathe and it's choking.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: That we heard about the U T I s and
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: cole sores. She yeah, I went into all of that.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: They must give us those details. But to your earlier
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: instinct because this is these are your instincts.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: They're producing too.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: They're painting the picture they're showing you with with fine
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: detail and broad stroke. This is a monster. Sean Colmes
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: is a monster and he and there was and he
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: was so depraved. See, this is the psychology of the process.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: See psychology is a big part of this because when
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: we talk about the crime of coercion, Okay, and I'm gonna,
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna. I know we're running out of time for
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: this week. This is a great series, by the way,
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: So rain Drops, Carlos King has gifted you, honey, to
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: be able to get this in this level of detail
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: and expertise on a weekly basis as this case continues.
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: This is this is a gift.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Okay, because I can only do this with you, so
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: thank you, so much.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: So happy to do it because it's important. I want
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: our culture to understand what's happening here. I want the
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: culture to Carlos. This is more than just the man
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: coming for a black successful man in America.
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: This is more than that. I'm not saying that.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: Race doesn't play apart, We'll get to that eventually, but
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: this is bigger than that. So when we talk about coercion,
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: we're talking about the sex act happened. We know that
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: these sex acts with Cassie Sean Combs and male escorts
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: and others happened. That is not disputed. Here's what's in dispute,
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: Carlos King, and this is where this case will turn
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: or fail. Can the prosecution make the case convincingly to
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: not one, two, or three, but twelve different men and
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: women That behavior rose to the level of by force
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: and unwillingness. So that's why you keep hearing even her
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: own prosecution team, who she's their witness, right asking her
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: did you feel free to leave? That's very important. And
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: when she says something like not really. Now, I'm gonna
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: tell you, as a defense lawyer, I'm happy to hear that,
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: because I'm gonna go in on that. When cross examination
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: time does come, and it is coming as soon as
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: the prosecution Carlos is completely done with their examination. We
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: call that direct exam. I expect her to be on
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: the on the stand another day, if not two more days.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: You might even go into next week. Don't be surprised.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Wow.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: Once they're done, they're gonna have to say defense your witness,
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: and then that's when they gonna get into her. They're
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: going to try to destroy her credibility. They're gonna try
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: to make her the biggest slut that ever lived. They're
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: gonna try to make her desperate for fame. They're gonna
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: try to make her completely thirsty. And some of these
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: things might apply.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Hell, we don't know.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: We weren't there, So those are gonna be the arguments.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: But the main one they're gonna argue is, well, back
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: when the when the government asked you, miss Ventura, did
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: you feel you had to do those things? You responded,
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: it was the only way I could spend time with him.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: And then those twelve jurors, Carlos King are gonna have
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: to decide for themselves individually. Do I think that's coercion?
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: Do I think when Sean Combs says, if you were
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: to believe the testimony, when Shan Combs says, if you don't,
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: if this prostitute man I flew in from wherever for
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: the freak off that you know that's how we get
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: down and you know that's how you and my lady,
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: and you know that's how you get my time and attention,
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: and you want that And if you don't do it
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: right now tonight, I'm gonna release these sex tapes for
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: all the world to see.
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: Juror says, is that force.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: Is?
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: That?
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: Is that Sean Comb's enforcing overt willpower over her such
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: that she doesn't feel free to say no to it.
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: That's the question of this case.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Abony K.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Williams that, first of all, that's that was powerful in
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: the sense of really understanding the magnitude of this case,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: the dynamic of this case, the sensitivity. You know, and
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: we watch a lot of court shows, movies and all
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: that stuff, but what we always know is when you
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: say something like you said, the defence can take that
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: one SoundBite and paint a different picture for the Jewors.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: So what we did learn today is.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Cassie accepted the twenty million dollars settlement from Puff. When
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: she and her legal team revealed to all of us
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: last year what she was going two years Oh my god,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: it's like yesterday, two years ago. What is so interesting
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: about that to me is this, I would love to
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: get your legal education educate us on this.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Excuse me.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: It was said today that she was writing a book
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: and was going to release it and she gave him
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: a heads up. Did she ask for a did Cassie
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: ask for money in order to not release the book?
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: Did he say no? Did she then release what she
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: went through publicly? And then did he settle with her
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: less than twenty four hours after that?
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: So my understanding of the facts based off of the
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: reporting that I've been able to get, because that's all
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: we can get. You know, unless you're in the press pool.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: Actually there is no press pool, so unless you're in
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: the courtroom. Really, from per my reporting, this is the
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: order Carlos. She writes the book, shows it to her
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: mother said her intention with writing the book is ultimately
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: for Sean Combs to see it, and she hopes it
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: brings remorse, so she then contacts him through his team. Specifically,
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: she names kk Okay in a sense a high level
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: assistant to Sean Colmes, and says, get him these chapters.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: This happens, someone from his team offers thirty million dollars.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: So it's my understanding, Carlos that she didn't necessarily ask,
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: because that would be the height of extortion. Quite frankly, now,
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: she would be stepping into criminal territory, Carlos. Baby, if
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: I say, look at these pictures I got to you, Carlos,
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: and all it takes for me not to show them
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: to the world is thirty thousand dollars, I've extorted you
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: at that point. Now this is not about you anymore.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: Now it's about me and my criminal activity of extortion.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: So I didn't get that. She said, hey, here are
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: the chapters, read them and weep. Give me thirty million
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: and I'll make them go away.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no no.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: She wrote the chapters, She previewed them by sending them
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: to him, and his team read them. They read them
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: and said, we will give you thirty million to make
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: this whole thing go away. And then at some point.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: I think that was kind of tabled, if you will.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: I have to believe, because before every civil suit is filed,
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: there's normally always pre trial conversations with the or pre
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: filing conversations, I should say, between the lawyers. So I
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: have to believe. Cassie's civil lawyer, So this is not
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: the government or the FEDS. This is her personal civil
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: lawyer that took her case on retainer knowing that if
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: they were successful in recovering anything, he would he or
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: she would get a third Okay, how that's how those
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: deals work.
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: M hm, and you take it on.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: That's a contingency deal typical of a civil case. They
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: went to Seaan Colmebs and his team and said, hey,
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: we're about to file this suit, and they probably gave
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: them maybe not everything that was in the suit, Carlos,
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: but a lot of it. You know, the key Cudding
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: I'm sure was in it. I'm sure the hotel incident
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: was in it, because they knew they had that videotape
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: to pull from and say, hey, if you don't make
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: our client hole in some way fiscally right now, we're
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: going to take this and file it and it's going
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: to be a public record and then the public can
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: figure it out. And Shawn comes Is team you know,
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: said we'll go do it, and they went and did it.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: November twenty twenty three, and twenty four hours later, the
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: twenty million dollar settlement happened. I have to believe that
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: Sean Combs thought that Cassie was still in such a
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: state of humiliation and grief and trauma that she would
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: never want the world to know that about her because
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: that was his. And that actually goes to the prosecution.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: Going back now to the criminal elements required for this
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: current case we're on Carlos, that sounds a little bit
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: like the coursive tactic that was maybe at play to
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: silence his alleged victim.
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: Certainly, you wouldn't want anybody to know that you were
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: drowning in p literally.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: Certainly you wouldn't want anybody to know that you had
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: STDs and UTIs and coal sores. And certainly you wouldn't
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: want the America and the world to see you as
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: such a.
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: Tragic horrors figure. I'm just saying, you know.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: What they Yeah, and then that.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: Type of psycho that's the psychological warfare that can absolutely
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: Carlos be a part of coercion, making you feel you
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: cannot say no, making you feel you cannot tell, making
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: you feel you can't as every many people in the
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: common well just leave, just run away. Well, if she
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: feels that she runs away, you're gonna release the tape,
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: or she feels if she tells, you're going to make
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: it so bad for her that she can't get a
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: record deal in the industry. That's what the prosecution is
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: ultimately going to lead us to by way of the
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: coercion argument. And then if you bring in more people
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: to enforce the coersion, like oh, my man's gonna make
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: sure that all the DJs and such and such that
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: they don't never play none of your shit, My my
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: my girl and her girl's gonna make sure no producers
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: work with you in the industry, All of that can
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: be made you. These are hypotheticals rain drops, But I'm
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: saying this is what corrosion could look like, and that
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: also would be getting working in concert, conspiring. That is
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: what conspiracy could look like. To execute the corision. We
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: can conspire carlos to work together to execute coercion, just
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: like we can conspire to work together to execute physical abuse.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: Just like we can conspire to work together to execute kidnapping.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: Get in this car right now, or I'm gonna release
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: the tapes. That's corision, and kidnapping could be because you're
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: forcing me into a space I don't want. I'm not
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: voluntarily in. Or you're not letting me leave your home.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: I'm not free to leave because of the force of
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: will and threat, you're imparting my way. But then that's
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: why it's twelve jurors, because another juror can hear all
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: of that, is say, yeah, it sounds real bad, but
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it's bad.
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: Enough that you just couldn't free yourself.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: And that's why these cases are very interesting, and that's
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: why there's twelve differ and people on that jury box.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: And for the record, if Pop would have settled initially,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: none of this would be happening.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: I don't believe you listened to holding court enough. I
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: don't believe that I'm just messing with you. I don't
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: believe we would be here talking. None of it is today,
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: I think all if we are to believe the majority
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: of what Cassie has said thus far consistently by the way,
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: which gives her some credibility in my personal book and
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: my legal one, I believe all this young lady really
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: really wanted was acknowledgment, acknowledgment that what she endured was
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: beyond the pale, beyond scope.
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: She didn't deserve it, and it was wrong.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: And I think had she gotten that acknowledgment Carlos by
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: way of the twenty million doc, because frankly, I'm gonna
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: tell you, I was shocked to hear it was only
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: twenty million dollars today. I thought, for sure did it
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: was upwards of fifty million dollars because the demand was
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: I think in the seventies. I think it was around
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: seventy something million. May I think if she had gotten
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: her twenty million dollar check, which is some form of
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: acknowledgment of culpability, not legally legally, it's not that at all,
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: but I believe that most people that receive a check
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: feel that way.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Alive.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: Gretchen Carlson from Roger L's, with the fox of it all,
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: I was there for that, you know.
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: I think that that.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: Probably would have satisfied enough of her desire desired outcome.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: When it came to the alleged behavior, it wasn't done
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: the lawsuit was fired. At that point, she had nothing
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: else to lose. We already knew her name, We already
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: knew it was her. We already knew she had gotten
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: beaten and drugged and raped and participated, whether voluntary or
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: not voluntary, We know she had participated in some extraordinarily salacious, vile,
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: you know, unconscionable activities. So at that point, I think
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: it became game on, so to speak. And so now
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: let's cooperate with the prosecution and let's move all the
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: pieces on the chessboard for civil and criminal. And that's
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: why we're talking about the case today.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Last question for you.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: We see that his teenage daughters are there that he
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: had with the Lake Importer and Sarah Chapman and Sarah
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Chapman thank you. Sarah's their daughter together named Chance. We
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: see his his first child's mother, Missa Hilton, who's with
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: the Walker, show up. His mom showed up, his sons
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: show up, his his his his theen weren't married. So
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: his bonus son, Christian, yes, son, I'll be sure, showed up.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Why do you think it was important for the defense
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: to bring in his family? But importantly, his very young
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: teenage daughters who I read. No, I don't know if
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: it's true, but I've read that the information Cassie speaking
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: about obviously is so severe that his teenage daughters.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Had to lead the room. Why are they even be
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: in the first place.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: I'm so glad you asked this on the way out,
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: because I had some thoughts around this. So conventional wisdom
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: tells us as lawyers, right, especially defense lawyers, that we
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: want to humanize and sympathize our clients to the best
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: of our ability, and that's good legal advice and skill.
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: That is true.
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: It's the reason that you saw Rihanna and Asab Rocky's
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: two little baby cute sons in court on his verdict day.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: Here's the difference, though, So that's the why, that's the
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: theory around why they would be there in the first place.
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: To answer your question.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: Here's where it's problematic for me as both an attorney
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: and a human being. Quite frankly, and now as a parent. Okay,
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm ajuror looking at especially like
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: you said, the three youngest girls, right, It's one thing
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: Justin's thirty one years old. We could argue he's a
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: grown man, Christian I believe at some point these are
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: older children. Okay, so I think you can make the
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: argument that they could stomach hearing a lot of this.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: I think when you're talking about these young teenage still girls,
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: I'm now questioning the wisdom of you understanding what best
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: interest of the child means, and that should always be
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: our north star as parents period. We should always only
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: be doing what is in the best interest of our children.
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: So while I understand.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: A legal theory or impulse to show, look how great
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: of a father he must be for these kids to
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: be in the galley supporting him, look at how great
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: of an ex husband he must be, or not husband
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: because he never married a motherfucker, But look at how
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: great of an ex boyfriend or baby daddy or great son.
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: Because it is Jenis Colmbs in the courtroom, I believe
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: she was.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, so look at who's showing up
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: for him. I understand that, Carlos, But if I'm on
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: this jury, I'm also wondering, well, damn, are you that
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: self centered?
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: Selfish?
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: And either that or so unaware of the innate trauma
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: that is inherent when your daughters, Whether you did it
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: or not irrelevant, Actually that your daughters are having to
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: bear witness and be in an environment so traumatic, so dark,
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: so toxic. I would think, even if you did nothing wrong,
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: mister Combs, you would think so much of your responsibility
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: to your teenage daughters to protect them from such testimony.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: And the fact that you between those two choices, because
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: we all have choices, Carlos, you and your legal team said, nah,
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: we feel it's more important for the jury to see
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: these girls and try to sympathize with Sean Comes, our client,
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: and then to protect the emotional wellbeing, the psychological stability
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: of these very formative young girls, these young girls, Carlos,
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: who are in this very moment shaping their understanding of sexuality,
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: their understanding of consent, their understanding of body autonomy, their
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: understanding of their own ability to say yes no to
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: certain So I would actually to me, this was a
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: miss on the defense for the three young daughters. Now
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: the older sons, the mama get yes. Because God knows,
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: hardly anybody from the industry has said a motherfucking thing
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: on behalf of Shawn Colmbs in positivity or defense to
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: be noted. Okay, just something to note. So showing your
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: family and support. Yeah, let's make you human. That's why
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: he got those sweaters on every day in court versus
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: the power suit. You know, that's why you know they've
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: got him. I think Sunny Houston said on the view,
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: he's looking like mister Rogers, you know. Yeah, absolute the glasses.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: What you doing with them glasses on? Carlo and I'm
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: just playing with you.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: Nah.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we saw this with the Menandaz brothers, you know,
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: thirty years ago. Let's try to humanize and soften the defendant.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: Got it cool, Every good defense lawyer does it. I
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: did it too with my clients. But these young girls
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: are very tender, They're very vulnerable, They're very impressionable, and
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: I would think a good father that cares about their
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: interests would protect them at all costs, even if he
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: was completely factually innocent.
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: You take my we.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: Saw this in a time to kill, you know, take
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: take her out.
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: Of this courtroom.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: Samuel L.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: Jackson didn't want his daughter's fictitious but you know, didn't
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: want his daughter to see that he and he was taught.
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: He ended up getting not guilty.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: But there's certain things a good parent wants to protect
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: their child from. So I think the call on This
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: looked selfish, it looked contrived, and it looked desperate.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: Quite frankly, Emney K Williams, I mean, listen, there's more
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: to come.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Ebony will be joining me next week to recap. Like
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: she said this, this trial is.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Going on for quite a while and on True Crime
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: Thursdays with MBUK Williams, we will be breaking down the
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: cage now, Ebony, we're before I let you go again.
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: Oh oh, I know you're busy.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: I know that you have been doing your homework.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: You are everywhere when it comes to all the things
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: you have going on. Not sure if you heard the news,
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: but there's been so much controversy, not sipping.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Surrounding your former show, The Real Housewives of New York City.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Long story short, The network release their upcoming shows, and
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: two notable shows were not on that release, and it
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: was The Real Housewives of New Jersey but also New
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: York City. Page six two days afterwards ran a report
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: that The Real Housewives of New York City was actually
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: allegedly camps old and was not going to come back
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: in the foreseeable future. Bravo has since then said the
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: show is not canceled and that there's still in the
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: casting process, Bethany Frankel did a TikTok radio child make
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: up Free Honey and talked about being an end of
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: an era and what the what the show was and
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: due to her words, not my Ebany K Williams, but
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: due to the decision of not sticking with the original cast,
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: was the demise of this show. Now Bravo has said
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: it's not canceled.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: We'll let it.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: Get your thoughts on every single aspect of this.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: You are you, You're good. Carlos, You're very good. You're
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: what you do, My brother absolute you. Okay, So my my,
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: my high level take is this. I think it's for
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: the best. If this, I think it's for the best.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: If the show does not come back right now, I
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: think it might be for the best if the show
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: does not come back. Ever, and contrary to some interpretation,
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: it's not sour grapes. Let me tell you why I
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: say that. I say that because Roney seasons roughly one
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: through twelve, So this is before my arrival, when the
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: cast was homogeneously white. For most people, most viewers of
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: the show was extraordinarily enjoyable. It had its moments of
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: you know, darkness, with lu Anne and her drinking and
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: some other different things, but generally speaking, Ronnie was a cultural,
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: lexicon enjoyable platform show. It also got a lot of heat,
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: as you know, The New York Times did a whole
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: article on not just Ronie, but Ronnie and all of
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: the housewived shows, basically indicting all of the white shows
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: for being all white shows in cities. Now it's one
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: thing of your all white show in Idaho where there's
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: next to no black population.
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: But at some point.
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: People started scratching their heads and really wondering, why is
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: a city with twenty five percent black population and twenty
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: six percent Latina population outlat of New York City, why
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: is it an exclusively white cast. The network heard the call,
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: they casted me to be the first black woman on
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: the cast. And what ensued was, to put it mildly,
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: Carlos and you know, we've talked about this at nauseum,
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: but it was, it was, it was.
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: It was horrific.
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: It was horrific at very high levels. Without going into
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: all of the details. What I think was most horrific
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: about it, and why I think it was so horrific
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: and traumatic, was because when we're talking about the premise
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: of housewives in general. Right, let's boom out for a second.
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: And you know this better than anybody because you are
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: the golden touch, okay of what this franchise when it's
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: at its best. You we were there, come about Atlanta, Okay,
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: and I think Jersey too, you produced.
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so you.
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: I would say, I don't care when nobody says, I
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: would say, of all the franchise, those two in your
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: era were peak housewives. When we look back in twenty
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: years and forty years and we say what shifted culture indefinitely,
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: it will be the Teresa table flip and the knee
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: leaks of it all. Okay, close your legs to married men.
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: That those those types of moments, right, Okay, we can agree, agreed,
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: But what we're talking about in all these housewives, themes
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: entertaining on the basis of exploring wealth, money, class and society.
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: Is that a fair statement? Okay?
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: And here's what nobody really wanted to admit and still
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: really want admit when it comes to real Housewives of
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: New York City or and we saw a little bit
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: of it with Beverly Yiels, I would say a lot
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: of it with Beverly Hills. I think that's why our
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: good friend Garcela's not there. Now, when you start talking
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: about class and social standing and status, you're innately having
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: a race conversation.
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: You might not be doing it verbally.
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: You might not be saying, well, white women are here,
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: and black women are there, and white white girls are
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: this and and they're this level of beauty, and they're
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: this level of success, and the black girls are down here.
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: But it's baked into the cake. All you got to
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: do is read Isabelle Wilkinson's Cast or any other number
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: of great books that break down the innate social hierarchy
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: as it relates to America's cast system. We're not that
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: different than India, Carlos. Okay, there are assigned perceived slots
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: of the social order. And I don't care if you're
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: in New York or Beverly Hills. Okay, being black by
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: definition disqualifies you from sitting atop that social order, per
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: this framework that I'm describing. So when you put a
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: black woman on a cast with all white women or
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: mostly white women, it doesn't matter her beauty. In Garcell's case,
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: her distinguished an uncomparable resume in her business from the movies,
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: to the series, to all the things. It doesn't matter
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: her pedigree, it doesn't matter anything. But because she is black,
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: that is such a challenge to her castmate and to
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: many of the viewers Carlos to see her as truly
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: equal and equitable in terms of the social order of
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: the other women. And this was exacerbated on Roni because
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: these women, you know, kind of the more challenge they
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: are on the traditional roles of like education or pedigree,
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: or let's look at my cast look, look look at
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: the women. I was on the show with Ramona Luyne Sonya.
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: Sonya married well, Leuanne married pretty well. But that's not
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: their pedigree, that none of them come from it. So
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: the strongest piece of social currency they each held was
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: what whiteness. This is sociology one on one, okay. So
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: when whiteness is the thing that you that you hold
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: and society has told you makes you most special and
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: most valuable and most qualified and deserving of sitting atop
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: the social order of your society, you're you're gonna be
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: extremely threatened, put off, and dismissive and halfway disgusted by
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: a person of black race identity. Infiltrating that trying to
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: come in and participate in that Heaven forbid in some ways,
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: superseding you educationally, youth wise, beauty wise, all of these things.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: So the long and short of it is this, Carlos,
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: those New York as it relates Toroni, it was always
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: going to and don't Just so for those that want
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: to say, yeah, it was just you, Ebany, you were
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: too much, you were too strong, that's fine. I'll totally
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: I'll take that projection because that's exactly what it is
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: and I'll take it.
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: So that's it.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: Those are my thoughts, ladies, jentlemen, gays and bays being
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: comparable Ebony, Kay william I mean, there's nothing.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: Else that we said after that. My drop for my
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: girl and y'all.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: She's coming back next week for another roundup of what's
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: happening with the Diddy trial f Mek Williams. I thank
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: you so much and I'll see you next week.
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: See you next week.
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: Love by rain Drops by Carlos.
• 54:37
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