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Michele's Mischief & Rik's Run-Ins · Rik and that Michele Chick

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Welcome to Rick and That Michelle Chick, the weekly
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podcast where your hosts, Rick and Michelle, confidently dive
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into topics they know absolutely nothing about and somehow make
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it sound legit. They're not experts.
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They're not qualified. Honestly, they barely googled
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it. So grab a drink, lower your
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expectations, and let's pretend this counts as content.
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So buckle up. Facts are optional, but the
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bullshit? That's premium grade.
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This is Rick and that Michelle chick.
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So at the end of a last episode, we ran out of time for me to
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tell my stealing story. Yeah, that I remembered.
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So a few episodes ago, I had told the story about me stealing
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when I was 7 and I had said that I never stole after that.
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And then I remembered, whoopsie. I I think I kind of stole, but I
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don't know. OK, I'll tell the story and then
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you can tell me because I kind of had permission.
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OK so I don't know if this is technically stealing but I mean
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the other part of the story probably it might be I don't
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know. Anyway, so it was the second
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time that my parents had been divorced from each other and I
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had just turned 16 and I went to go visit my dad.
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And keep in mind he's with his new girlfriend and her new
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family who her kids are perfect. And my brother and I are just
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basically we only get to see him when he wants to see us at this
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point in time. So and I just turned 16 so this
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is around like December ish. It's probably like Christmas
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break, I'm guessing. I don't remember.
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I don't remember those details. But anyway, because I had just
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turned 16, they offered me the car to take the car.
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Like, hey, if you want to go take the car to go to see your
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friends, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, heck yeah.
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Like what kid doesn't want to take the car?
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The only thing is I left out the part that I didn't have my
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license yet, that I still only had my permit and I didn't tell
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them that I only had my permit, so I just let them believe of.
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Course my. License I didn't correct them
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because again, what kid is going to be like, no, no, I only have
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my permit. The, the dumb part is this is
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where the dumb part, and I probably would not have gotten
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caught if I had not stayed out all night because of a boy.
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And if I would have just gone out, had some fun and came back
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and I, they probably would have never ever have found out.
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I probably would have never gotten caught because of course,
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if when I didn't come home at the time, they told me to come
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home. Then they call my mom.
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My mom tells them I don't have my license.
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And so they, it all goes to shit from that point.
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So, so yeah. So I don't know that's
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technically stealing. They didn't have permission, but
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I also didn't have my license. But I would as a typical
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teenager, I, it would take my mom's car and I did have my
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license at this point in time. I would sneak out of the house.
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And the tricky part is that her bedroom window was here and the
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driveway went back around by her bedroom window.
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And so I would, luckily the car was at 5 speed and so I would
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put it in neutral and I would push it right.
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I would push it back around to the side of the house and that's
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when I would like start it up and take off.
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Now the tricky part was trying to get back home because you're
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kind of going, the driver was, it was a little slant.
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It wasn't like a big, big heel, but it was a little slant.
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So I was. Going to drive.
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I mean, I couldn't push it. There was one point I tried and
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I could not. So I would have to drive like
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super slow. Like luckily the car was not
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noisy or anything to drive super slow and pull back around and
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park it. And I probably would have gotten
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away with this. She probably would have never
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found out if it hadn't been for my cat.
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My cat one night woke her up. I don't know what was wrong with
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my cat. My cat woke her up and then
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that's when she heard me like crawling in my bedroom window,
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kind of like crawl in and out of the bedroom window like, you
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know, like any, any, any teenager during that point in
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time. Oh, and I would make sure that I
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turn off the headlights as I got to a certain point.
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I don't want to wake her up like.
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So I don't know if that all constitutes as stealing or just
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teenage behavior. Again, this was the second time
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my parents have been divorced and things were not great at
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home. I mean, that doesn't excuse this
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stuff I did, but I think it was a teenager.
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I think a bunch of that is the, you know, teenage passages,
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basically things that get when you, you know, when you tell me
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stories like that, that's the whole reason why I never wanted
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to have a girl like a baby girl, because my sisters, my sister,
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my sisters Robin, Robin and Wanda, Wanda was my adopted
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sister. Did they sneak out?
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To They snuck out all the time to meet their boyfriends at the
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golf course. And I was hearing, you know,
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hearing how they lost their virginity and all these
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different things. And I'm like, and I'm like,
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Nope, Nope. If I have, I'm never gonna have
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a girl. So Nope.
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And of course boys are just as capable of doing stupid stuff as
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well. But for some reason in my 15
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year old brain I was like Nope, not gonna.
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Well, because you're the guy. I mean, it's kind of the same
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way with Jay and our daughter Shaylee.
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I I, he let our three sons get away with a little bit more than
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he does her. And I think that's because,
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like, you as men know what those boys are thinking or planning or
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doing. And so it's a little bit
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different because you are the guys and you've been there, you
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know, the stuff that you've tried to do or whatever with
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girls. So, yeah.
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So that's why I think it's like. I, I think it's interesting from
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from Logan's standpoint, because Logan and I have a great
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relationship, yes, but even through his teen years.
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And so what's so funny is all boys, all boys go through a
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period to where they talk about it a lot.
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Yes, yeah. They talk about it a lot.
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And then suddenly they quit talking about it.
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And so I remember driving Logan home to Lewiston one time and he
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didn't talk about it at all. And I went, oh, So what
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happened? He goes, what do you mean, Judd?
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What do you mean what happened? And I go, I go, well, something
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happened. Something happened.
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He goes, no, it didn't. I'm like, yeah, it did.
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And I and then, and then it's so funny.
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When I was when I was 27 years old, I'd always made the joke
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that I was going to high 5 my kid, blah, blah, blah.
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When that happened. And no, did you?
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No, no, no, I, I realized that it didn't matter if if I had a
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boy or a girl, I suddenly went into dad mode and I said, you
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better have treated her right. You better have more.
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I mean, I did the whole dad gauntlet, which of course, like
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15 years before that I was like, oh, I my son, my son, yeah, you
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know what I'm saying? No, dude.
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No, no. Yes, a very dude, my son.
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Yes, the very dude thing. And then I discovered that no, I
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immediately became the dad. I mean, which is good at.
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Least you didn't why was oh, and I chastised him and and and like
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you better, like, you know, whatever, whatever it was,
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whatever, whatever was going on so.
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Nonsense that we say to them that, my gosh, they're not
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listening. I look, I look, I look back at
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all the things that I used to think or the way I used to act.
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I mean, it's actually quite embarrassing when I look back
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and some of the things I, I, I've said in my lifetime and you
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can't hold it against you because it's just age.
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But no, right, it's just learning and but I admit at
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least you progress and move forward now.
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At least you're not. I would like, I'd like to think
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so. So, yeah.
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But I was very much, very much thought I was going to high 5 at
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that, that situation. And no, I, I no, but I, but I
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knew, I knew when it happened because he quit.
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It was, there was, there was no jokes about it.
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There was no more, you know, I'm saying there was no more 1213
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year old potty humor or anything about it was like suddenly it
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was like, Nope, not going to discuss it.
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And no, and I don't blame him. I mean, it's like I don't want,
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I mean, even if we have a great relationship, I don't, I don't
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want to know. No, like I don't.
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Know I don't want to know it's kind of like it's almost like
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your parents it's almost like. That's what I was going to say.
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It's on the arcade, but it's on the flip side.
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Yeah, it's on the flip side. It's like, I don't want, you
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know. And I remember it was so funny,
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Logan, he was an adult by this time, but he was living in the
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garage and. And some strange girl shows up
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and she's, and she's there for 20 minutes and then she leaves.
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Oh. 20 minutes is quick. I know.
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Well, it's probably longer than that, probably an hour.
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I mean, it was, I mean, whatever it was, but I was going to say I
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quickly, I quickly learned that Logan was going through a phase,
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you know, so yeah, that phase, that phase and and he it was
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tender. It was tender.
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I. Mean.
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No, no, I well, yeah. I mean, he's he's an adult, but
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but so, yeah, little, little things like that.
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But, but I was thinking about the teenage, the teenage stuff
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because I know they're, I mean, or at least how my family looks
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at it or, or other people have looked at it.
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I mean, I, I can't tell a lion say I'm not concerned about what
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people think of me because that is I, I am.
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So there's, there's, so there's things I, there's stories I
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don't tell or I don't share because for me, for me, they're
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embarrassing. And, and I am so far from, I am
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so far from perfection. It's crazy, but and so those are
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those are things that I, I mean, do you, do you tell?
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I mean, I, I guess a better way to say this, Michelle does does
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Does anybody know every single secret that you have?
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No, of course not. Right, Right.
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I. Mean there right, right there
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are there are things that I'm like you don't that's going to
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the grave with me that's going that's going to the grave with
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me. But going back to your your
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stealing story yeah, I got I I I did get I actually did get
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arrested in in I was probably in June.
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I mean, I was probably a freshman or a sophomore and
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you're pretty. Young you're what?
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What's 1315? What?
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1415 I mean, you know, stupid, stupid kids stuff.
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And and I did get arrested and my foster mom had to pick me up
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at the picked me up at the Clarkson Police Department.
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I remember just bawling because I mean, no, I mean I deserve, I
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deserve what I got. And and So what happened was it
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it goes on your record. It does go on your record.
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Even as a juvenile. But it's expunged when you if
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you. So if you don't commit another
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crime or right, if you don't commit another crime, it's
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expunged 18. So I don't have a criminal.
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I don't have a criminal record, Right.
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It's gone. It's gone, you know, or at least
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maybe that's where they tell kids to scare the crap out of
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them. Maybe that.
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Maybe. I mean, all I all I know is,
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yeah. I mean, who knows?
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Maybe I didn't even get arrested.
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I don't know. I just know I got the least.
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I mean, you look back. No, I was sorry.
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Or maybe there weren't any charges.
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Maybe they just like arrested cause especially back then they
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would just pretend yes like they would go through the motions.
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It's no different than back then for us, if we would have been
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caught with alcohol, they would have just take or made us dump
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it out right there in front of them.
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I mean, if they took it, they probably took it for themselves
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and drank it later is what happened.
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Yeah. You know, it's not like now
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where you get a minor in possession and it's a bigger
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deal now. I mean it was completely
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different time back then. I, I look at everything.
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Well, The funny thing is it's, it's interesting that you know,
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cuz I, you know, and, and I just want to clarify, once I
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officially got busted, that was it Like the the.
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Crimes. The crime spree was over.
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I, I, I've never done it since. No, but it was interesting up
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until that point. I probably did it a couple times
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and got away with it. Hence the reason, you know, I
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mean, like, I think that happened.
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I think that happens to kids. Oh definitely.
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I think we keep doing it until we get caught or.
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Right. And then and then the kids.
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Get scratched, you know, whatever it is, right And.
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Then and then you do have two choices.
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You can continue that behavior or you're like, Nope, that's not
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right, you know, And so I mean, so luckily I was like, Nope, not
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going to do that. Get and interesting enough, I
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think the you know me because it's like, I do care.
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I I'm not going to lie, I do care what people think about me.
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And I remember being in history class and some guy goes, he
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goes, Virgil, I think I saw you in the back of a police car over
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the weekend. So I'm I'm even getting read.
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I'm getting, I'm read and embarrassed because.
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And so it was like, and so to have this kid in high school.
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Right of all times and. Someone, what are the odds?
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I mean, what's the odds? And, and of course, Clarkson is
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a very small town. It's 6000 people.
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So it's not like, yeah, it is possible, but I just can be
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telling this to this kid in history.
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Class calling everyone. I know, I don't know, he was the
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only one who ever mentioned it and I told him, no, it wasn't
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me. But he goes because I think I
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saw you in the back of a police car.
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So and, and then I mean, like you and I've talked about, I
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went through this phase where I was going to church and I was, I
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was, I was the youth group president, I was the junior
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Deacon. I mean, I was, you know, I was
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holy rolling for a while. So, and you know, and I look
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back at maybe that I mean, it was just too over, too over the
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top in that particular since I mean, I've gone, I've done all
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the phases in like, like. Your pendulum like swings.
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Oh yes, Oh, yes, Oh yes, yes, Oh, yes, and yes.
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And it really was like you talked about your parents and,
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and all that and I talked to my siblings like I wore that as a
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badge of honor with arrogance, I guess in, in sense of saying I'm
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not going to turn out like them, you know, and, and, and, and I,
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I look back now like they're, they're good people.
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My, my, my mom. They had their problems, but
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they were good people. But but for me, I, I really was
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arrogant in turn in that, in that thinking of like, well, I'm
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better than I mean, I'm better than they are, which I'm not by
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any means anybody. Everybody has their failures,
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everybody has their weaknesses, everybody has their vices,
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including, yeah, including me. And so but, but, but at that
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age, I was like, no, I am a straight, straight as a board at
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after that, after that run in right.
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I, I mean, I flipped the other way for a few years and, and so,
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yeah, but I will say I don't know about you, Michelle.
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So having been poor and making so my first salary, what, at the
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radio station was $600 a month. So my, my, my studio apartment
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was what, 150, you know, and my car payment was like 133 bucks.
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I had a blue, blue Honda 82 Honda Accord.
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Well, guess what? I couldn't pay insurance.
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So I went years like years like I want to say 7.
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Seven years wasn't in place, was it that you had to?
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Have it, it did, it got past wall.
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It did. So, so, so when I first got, so
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it was interesting when I first got the car, when I first got
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the car, Idaho didn't require, didn't require insurance or at
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least a proof proof of insurance.
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So I could sketch, I could skirt it that way.
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And I, you know, and I could skirt it that way, but
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Washington had just passed the law about having insurance and I
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couldn't afford it. And so, and then of course, just
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to show you what a criminal, he's a criminal.
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He's a criminal. So what happens is you're making
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a car loan payment, right? Well, if you don't put insurance
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on your car, guess what the bank does?
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They find out. They put it out.
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For you now. They don't put liability on,
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They don't put liability on, but they put collision and casualty
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or something like that. Right, They have to protect
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their investment. Their investment so anyway, so I
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bought this car from key bank and I had it for three years and
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of course that is added to the bill of the car loan Yep and so
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my this is just to show you just what a stupid kid I was I mean
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I'm I'm an adult I this all belongs on you know I'm an adult
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shame on me. So what happened was I got to
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the end of the payment book, right?
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And guess what I did Well, they didn't send me a new book.
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So guess what? I must have paid my car.
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I must have paid my car off. So, so I'm working.
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So I'm working in Idaho Falls, ID and I'm working at 2 radio
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stations. I'm working I'm working at Z1O3
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and I'm also working at K-96. Now because of my work schedule
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was so erratic, the repo guy couldn't find me I.
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Was going to say did you come out from work and your car was
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gone? Yes, yes.
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And so one night I, I, I'm leaving the night at midnight
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at, I'm working at K-96 in Idaho Falls and the car's gone.
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And so, so I had, so I called the police.
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They're like, I'm sitting there going up.
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Sorry Sir, this is legitimately it's been repoed.
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They knew I didn't know that the police.
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Yeah, they call ahead. They Yep, Yep, they Yep, they
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call ahead and well, apparently because of the insurance they
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had added for those. So the, the, the car loan was
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for three years, but they had added that insurance in there.
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So I technically owed another, I owed another year on the car.
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So, so anyway, it was a big, it was a big, it was a big mess.
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And I got, I got of course, this and this is back when I was
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making 5 bucks an hour. So I wasn't making money and so
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I had to get the car. Paycheck to paycheck trying to
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live. So I had to get the car out of,
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I got the car out of Hawk. On one hand, I thought about
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just letting it go, like give up the fight, just let him take the
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car because this guy had like this this Saab or whatever that
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he was going to sell me for like 600 bucks or something like
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that. And I thought that'll get me
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back, that'll give me, I'd already made the decision.
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I was, I was living in Idaho Falls, but I made the decision
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that this was not going well for me and I need to just get back
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to the valley. And so, and then I thought, you
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know what? So what'd you do?
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So I got the car out of Hock and it cost like 600 and some
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dollars, which was basically my rents that I needed.
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And so I skipped town. I packed up my stuff and I
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skipped town out of the, out of the apartment I was living in.
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And there was a, there was, there was a, Oh my gosh, there
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was a, a, what is it a lease? I had a lease.
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I was. Going to say, did you have a
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lease? Oh yeah, I.
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Broke it. I didn't and I didn't give him
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notice. I just left in the middle of the
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night. I'm a criminal.
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I'm just like, I'm just, I am just a criminal.
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Did you get dinged for that bill?
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No, never, never. They no, they never found me.
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For cutting your lease short, usually you have to pay the
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difference. And I, they never, I think they
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just wrote it off as some stupid kid.
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I was young, I was dumb, you know, different things.
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But back in the days. So if you name it, if you name
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it I, I have, I have done it, you know, I mean things that
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things that I have done. And, and I remember when I went
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to College in Boise, I was in Nampa.
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And again, these are just, I just didn't have any money.
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I mean, it wasn't about being lazy.
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It was just, I don't have any money.
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And I remember taking my 73 Capri out and I was depressed on
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one day. And so I'm driving around Nampa,
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ID and, and I'm listening to Poison.
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The song is Fallen Angel because I remember the exact moment and
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the sun got in my eyes and I ran a stop sign and I plowed into a
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Cadillac Ltd that was going the other direction.
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Oh no. Yeah, so wrecked into him,
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smashed up the the the 73 Capri. This was another time when I've
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left town, you had to leave town in a hurry.
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So I went to court for it and and they find me whatever in a
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tentative driving or something because the sun was in my eyes.
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I mean, but no insurance. Now at the time, Idaho didn't
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require liability insurance. They didn't ticket me for that.
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The guy that I hit, guess what he also didn't have?
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He didn't have insurance. No, he didn't have insurance
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either. The Cadillac guy did not have
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insurance. He's else, you know, he didn't
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have insurance either. So it was so funny was the the
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guys judge was like, hey, I'm going to cite whatever whatever
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it was and that you know, and So what happened was and then he
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goes, you guys have to settle your cars yourself.
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And So what happened was, Oh yeah, here's my address, which
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of course, like was the was the dormitory at the college, but I
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was bailing town. I'm like.
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It's like Pizza Hut. I used to give guys the number
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to people. Yeah.
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There you go. I was like, I'm I'm yeah, I was
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already, I was already wiped out.
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I had no, I had no money left. And so funny as my dad back in
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Lewiston, the car was, the car was drivable, but the, the, the
21:11
radiator had gotten smashed. So my dad had sent me this Ford
21:16
Pinto radiator in the mail. The radiator came in the mail,
21:21
came in the mail. And so my buddies in college got
21:24
underneath the car and we took out the old radiator and put in
21:26
the new radiator. And I made it, I was able to
21:28
make it back to the LC Valley. But I, I, I skirted town, then I
21:32
skirted town the second time in my, in my youth.
21:36
So yeah, I'm a criminal a lot. Look, I'm rather embarrassed by
21:41
a lot of those things, you know, I don't ever.
21:43
Talk, I mean. I don't talk about them.
21:45
It's not to me, it's not like that's that's not horrible.
21:50
That's just especially for us growing up poor, like you see
21:55
that all the time. People that are have insecure
21:59
lives growing up, whether it's food insecurities, housing
22:02
insecurities, and we're just trying like we've talked about
22:05
before, we're not ahead of the game from the start.
22:09
And so we're all we're always playing catch up and any little
22:13
thing like you said, like repairing your car you didn't
22:16
have or getting it out of from the towing.
22:19
You don't have that money some. Medical.
22:21
Like you don't. You just don't have it.
22:24
It just isn't there. And there's not people that we
22:27
can go to to be like, hey dad, can I borrow a?
22:30
$100 but those people. Are not there for us so.
22:34
Yeah, that was and I made I I look back, made it through.
22:37
I mean, I made it through, you know, without too much, too much
22:40
harm and damage. But looking back, like man, I I
22:42
could have hurt somebody. I guess not by not having I
22:44
mean, now it's so funny now I wouldn't even drive with that.
22:47
I mean, I wouldn't drive without insurance.
22:48
I wouldn't, I wouldn't pull that stunt and like.
22:51
Older and wiser, but. Logan, I mean, Logan doesn't,
22:54
you know, I mean, Logan was raised right.
22:57
So he has insurance on his car and all these different things,
22:59
but it's it, it's looking back at all these little, you know,
23:05
because, you know, I mean, I don't know, I mean, it's like.
23:08
At least you, at least you learned from them and didn't
23:12
keep repeating them or keep, you know, breaking the law.
23:16
And certain. Aspects, you know and and when
23:19
you're young like sure that doesn't give us a pass for
23:22
everything that we did but in the same sense like you're young
23:26
and stupid and don't have the money so you're desperate you're
23:32
gonna do whatever you need to do at that point in your life so.
23:37
Whether it's. Oh yeah.
23:37
Right. Wrong.
23:39
It's just the this the only option you have in front of you
23:42
at the time Well, so. My, my, my car that I got in a
23:45
lot of trouble with cost me 200 bucks.
23:47
I mean, so it's like, and so remember, I remember getting
23:52
pulled over by the WSP and there was there was this famous
23:56
officer his he was Officer Nelson, state Trooper Nelson.
24:00
And he was infamous between Clarkson and assault and it's a
24:02
five mile stretch stretch there. And he was infamous for
24:05
patrolling that. And everybody had said don't get
24:07
caught by by Trooper Nelson. And so I was out there one time
24:11
in my in my 73 Capri and I had my racing gloves on.
24:14
I had my sunglasses on. And so The funny thing about
24:19
this car was that the speedometer was broken.
24:23
Oh no, So I didn't, I mean, it was a stick shift.
24:25
Like you said, it was a 5. You know, it was a stick shift.
24:28
I have no idea how fast I'm going.
24:30
So anyway, I've been told and sure enough, I got pulled over
24:34
by Trooper Nelson. He did write me now, he wrote me
24:38
a, he wrote me a ticket. He wrote me a ticket.
24:39
And the hilarity was I, I can't remember call back then, but but
24:44
he wrote me a ticket. And then he immediately walks up
24:46
and goes, let's see here, bald tires, smashed windshield.
24:50
Because remember, it's a car that's $200.
24:53
Oh, no, no, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a rat trap.
24:56
I mean, it's barely driving down the road.
24:59
I mean, I got no money. What are you talking about?
25:01
So it's funny. Was that particular ticket, I
25:04
didn't even fight. I just sent the money in.
25:06
And, and remember back in the day, tickets were like 50 bucks.
25:09
They weren't they're they're not like it was today, But I mean, I
25:13
still got. 50 bucks is a lot to. Someone back then probably
25:16
checked a paycheck and pulled. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
25:18
Well, my favorite one favorite ticket in that car is no this.
25:23
Is great, more than. 10 I got full so I had gotten so I had
25:27
gotten 2 speeding tickets within a 24 hour period, one in Idaho,
25:31
one in Idaho and one in Washington in in 24 hours so I
25:35
got 2. Is that because of the broken
25:37
speedometer? Yes, the speedometer was broken.
25:39
So I mean, I'm, I'm now by truthfully by the it's so if you
25:46
know anything about driving a stick shift, you know, you know
25:50
how fast you're going technically because you go
25:52
first, second, third, you do. I mean 5th gear then you know,
25:57
like you are. Well, I mean it's.
25:59
Within reason, yeah. So 1, You know, if I, if I was
26:03
trying to pay attention to the law, I would, you know, I knew
26:06
how I knew how to, you know. So what happened was we had left
26:10
drama practice, Clarkson High School, and we were going to
26:14
this place called Fizzarri's Pizza.
26:15
So we took off. And so I couldn't see behind me
26:18
all the kids in drama class, you know, all back in the day in the
26:21
80s, you're all in black or whatever, right?
26:23
So all the kids pile in my car and we go ripping over to
26:27
Fizzari's Pizza. And we finally get to the pizza
26:30
place and all the other drama kids are sitting there and I
26:32
pull in and the cop is behind me with his lights going.
26:35
And they're like, oh, Virgil's getting busted.
26:37
Virgil's. Getting a ticket?
26:38
He been following you? Oh, so you're going to love this
26:41
story? So he writes me a ticket.
26:43
And so I was talking to some friends and like, well, you got
26:45
it. You got to fight this ticket.
26:47
And I'm like, yeah, you know what?
26:48
I'm going to go, I'm going to fight it.
26:50
So I go into court and I'm talking to the judge and I give
26:53
my spiel. And he's like, yes, he goes, I
26:55
understand, Mr. Wallace, but looking at this ticket, there's
26:58
a reason why I can't reduce it or let you off.
27:01
And I said, well, Your honor, what?
27:03
What's the issue? And he goes, the, the address is
27:06
the issue. I said, what do you mean?
27:08
And he's like, he goes, this ticket was written at the police
27:10
station, so Fazari's was way across town.
27:16
So it goes Clarkson High School police station.
27:19
And then Fazari's Pizza is way across town.
27:23
So he had followed me all the way.
27:26
That's crazy. And, and, and so he goes and he
27:28
goes ticket stands boop, but he goes, he goes, I understand you
27:31
want to get this reduced, but he goes, most people slow down when
27:34
they go past the police station. He goes, you speed up, you speed
27:39
up, so ticket stands, boom. And so when I got so the next so
27:43
the next time I got the ticket from Trooper Nelson, I just sent
27:45
the money and I was like, OK, not.
27:47
Great, I'm not even going to try this.
27:49
I'm not even going to try to fight this.
27:51
So I'm good for, you know, even even in this, even at this age,
27:55
I'm good for a ticket about every three years, so.
27:57
Oh gosh I I better knock out some wood or something.
28:00
I got 1 ticket after I just got my license when I turned 16
28:04
because again, you think you're hot shit and you know.
28:09
I got like. Driving down Hwy. 12 from high
28:13
school back home or whatever it was.
28:15
And sure enough, he's like sitting right by the wastewater
28:19
treatment plant. And I was doing 75 back then.
28:22
I think Hwy. 12, the speed limit was like 50.
28:25
So he dinged me good. And yeah, like you said, tickets
28:29
back, they were like 50 bucks. And yeah, I learned my lesson.
28:32
Never. I mean, I still speed.
28:35
I just I, I, I am a I'm a 5 and over person.
28:38
I try to stay 5 and over and and to me I get cruise.
28:41
Control because I know I will go Oh yeah, almost like 1015 over.
28:45
I'm a less and and and and my and my beloved foster mom for
28:50
all of her goodness, was a lead foot Pearl Pearl the it's well,
28:54
it's in the book yeah, about the.
28:56
State Trooper, I love that story.
28:58
Yeah, yeah. She's, she's a lead foot, you
29:00
know, She yeah. Oh my, she was.
29:02
She was hell on wheels. It's like I got places to be.
29:06
I have 4 kids. Like I'm trying to zip around
29:08
town. Like you got two kids, I got to
29:10
be in two different places at the same time.
29:12
Like it's craziness when you're a mom hauling all these kids
29:16
around. So yeah, I have places to be and
29:18
I need to get there fast. Yeah, so, so when you, when you
29:22
look at youth and you look at, you know, I mean, how many did
29:25
you ever, did you ever skip school?
29:28
Yeah, hello. Like, all the time.
29:32
Like, all the time. Like, it was bad.
29:35
I got so good at forging my mom and daddy's name that it was
29:40
amazing there. For a while.
29:42
I could probably just write my momma's letters for her because
29:46
I could mimic their handwriting like perfectly.
29:50
So I would write my own excuse notes.
29:52
And you know how I mean, back then we didn't have cell phones.
29:55
So they would call. Your house phone.
29:57
They would call your house phone and I would just pretend to be
29:59
my mom. Oh, yeah, she's home today.
30:01
Don't worry about it. She's sick today.
30:03
Yeah. Yeah, it was so easy back then
30:06
compared to now to just. So of course.
30:09
Oh God, I did it all the time. It was crazy.
30:12
I mean, probably too much. I will, I will say the the I
30:15
only I only skipped school one time and I got caught.
30:18
Yeah, just once. And it was hilarious.
30:21
My buddy Scott and I, we were going to go to a youth group.
30:24
Oh, this is great. Church camp.
30:25
We're going to church camp and. We're skipping school.
30:28
That's what I'm talking about. And so so I changed the the
30:32
permission slip. It wasn't that we didn't have
30:33
permission, but I changed it from 2:00 to like 12 so we could
30:38
get out at at noon and and sure as shittin and this is when I
30:42
was with the walls is them them sons of bitches who never left
30:46
home ever. Just happened to be driving
30:48
around Clarkston and and ran into Scott and I walk in the
30:51
streets. Oh gosh.
30:53
And they go, aren't you supposed to be in school?
30:55
And that was it. So we didn't get to go to church
30:57
camp. And the church was very
30:58
disappointed in me as their youth group leader.
31:02
You know, I did get in trouble. I got grounded.
31:05
And it was, it's embarrassed. I mean, again, these are things
31:07
that you know now, well, now it's all, it's all public
31:09
record. But embarrassing to be you're
31:11
supposed to be the you're supposed to be the poster child.
31:14
And I think I wasn't. No.
31:17
And I think that I think that's what's interesting about people
31:20
because we make assumptions about people, right?
31:23
And so, so, so like right now you got the Keith Urban and
31:26
Nicole Kidman thing right now, you know, we don't know the
31:29
story or they're getting divorced, But but you make an
31:31
assumption about who that person is because you think you know
31:35
them as a celebrity or, you know, you'd like to think
31:37
they're a good person or anybody like that.
31:40
And so when our idols fall, when you discover something like it,
31:44
you know, it's always a big shocker.
31:45
Like, I can't believe it was that person did that or
31:49
whatever. Yeah.
31:50
And it's like, and I've always, I've always joked that we're all
31:52
capable of, we're all face down. Yeah, face down.
31:57
Of if you're Tom Brady or Keith Urban or.
32:00
Whoever anybody is anybody. Anybody.
32:02
Yeah. Anybody.
32:04
So yeah, so I I've had luck, luckily nothing too, too, too
32:09
traumatic. But yeah, my brushes with the
32:10
law, you know, different we. Definitely didn't get anything
32:16
worth stealing like these. Louvre, the jewelry thieves in
32:20
Paris. No, nothing.
32:22
Oh my gosh. I mean, but they but two of them
32:23
have gotten caught so. Yeah, I saw that.
32:25
I saw that. So, yeah.
32:27
Nothing. Nothing so as crazy as that.
32:29
But you know, I always look back and, you know, but they always
32:33
tell you you can't like if you take one piece of your life
32:37
away, you know, of regret or you know, or guilt, you're not who
32:42
you are today, I guess. And so I kind of always because
32:44
I. Think we we learn from that or
32:47
grow? Or hope so.
32:49
Something right, something happens to us from that
32:52
experience, hopefully for the better, yes.
32:56
Yeah, so. So, yeah.
32:57
So those are those are things I, you know, I don't talk a lot.
33:01
I mean, I well, it depends on the story on the radio.
33:03
I mean, I do talk about this stuff, but yeah, but it's what
33:06
it yeah, it's like I would like to.
33:08
I would like to think that, you know, I'm different.
33:11
I'm not totally different from when I was younger, but some of
33:14
the some of my behavior, some of my behavior and, and, and I I
33:18
already know my behavior is pretty tame to all for a lot of
33:20
other people. Different different things,
33:24
different things. My you know, my behavior was
33:26
just yeah. I mean, I, there was a lot.
33:29
I know a lot more, like you said, my brothers, my siblings,
33:32
they were getting a lot more trouble than than I was.
33:34
I was AI was a good kid for the most part in these in these
33:38
different situations, I'm sure you were a good kid.
33:40
Oh, yeah. I mean, other than all that
33:42
stupid teenage stuff that I did, yeah.
33:45
I mean, my father was the one that was like hell on wheels.
33:49
I don't know how any of us survived that.
33:51
But so interesting question for you when it comes to your own
33:54
kids. Now I know you have a great
33:56
family unit, you've got 4 kids. Do you?
34:00
Do you? Do you feel that you were more
34:04
lenient with your children than what your parents were with you?
34:08
Yes. More I guess, and more trusting
34:12
I guess is the word so. And they knew.
34:15
So I mean, and keep in mind like three of our four kids are geeky
34:20
band kids. And they knew that if they broke
34:25
that trust, then they weren't going to be allowed to stay out
34:29
until 1 or whatever time it was. I don't think any of them have
34:33
really ever had a curfew. But we've always known where
34:37
they were, who they were with. And most of the time it's at our
34:40
house playing board games. This is like, this is the life
34:43
of our children, like boring in comparison to you and I.
34:48
And so we never really had to put a curfew on them.
34:52
They never snuck out of the house.
34:54
I mean keep in mind their bedrooms are like 2 stories
34:57
above so it's not like it would be easy for them but I mean it
35:01
just they knew that we trusted them and once they broke that
35:06
trust then all that stuff would be taken away.
35:09
So, and it was completely different conversations as they
35:12
were growing up for us as their parents compared to my parents
35:18
per SE. And so I just really made sure
35:21
that as a parent, I was not going to be like my parents.
35:26
And so it's was completely different for them in in all
35:29
regards. Like whether it's talking about
35:31
sex or any of that kind of stuff was completely different and
35:36
more open conversations and not like this hush hush thing that
35:41
you can't really talk about. So yeah, it was completely
35:44
different for my. You know, it's one of it's,
35:46
it's, it's like for me, it's like with my, with my foster
35:50
parents, it, it would have been 100% trust.
35:53
Like I don't like, I don't think if if I had, if I was able to
35:57
have been with them even into my teenage years, I loved and
36:01
respected them so much. Yeah, exactly.
36:03
You would have been if Pearl would have said you'd be home at
36:05
midnight. Virgil's your ass would have
36:07
been home at like 1158. Yeah.
36:11
I mean, I, I, I I just love them so much.
36:14
Yeah, I love not to say not to say.
36:16
I mean, we talk a lot, a lot about in the book.
36:18
I do get in trouble a lot. Oh, yeah.
36:19
I mean you. Still would have tested
36:21
boundaries. It's oh, yeah, I still got, I
36:22
still got in trouble. But everything but everything,
36:24
as I've always said, was reinforced with love.
36:27
It was just like, even if I got even if I got swatted on the
36:30
butt, you know, she'd always come back 20 minutes later and
36:33
go, Virgil, I'm correcting this behavior because I love you.
36:36
And I always, I never felt, I never felt that you didn't, they
36:39
didn't love me. You know, even when I was in
36:41
trouble, I might gripe about it and kick rocks down the road and
36:45
get upset. But I knew that I knew that they
36:46
loved me. What's interesting about the
36:49
Wallaces, and I don't know why. So one of the big breakdowns
36:52
with the Wallaces and I was I snuck off to junior prom and
36:56
didn't tell them. So I did.
37:00
I did and I and I look. Back.
37:01
I mean, you wanted to go to junior prom like I didn't.
37:05
Ask and I don't reveal the. Oh oh, you didn't ask in the 1st
37:08
place. That's like you just.
37:09
Ask in the first place. Taking my mom's car.
37:12
Right. I just, I just made the
37:14
assumption that they were going to say no anyway, or well, no,
37:18
I'm going to, I'm going to put a better perspective.
37:22
I didn't want them in my life. I guess so you're not going to
37:27
let them in and share things with them?
37:31
And that was kind of. So after that, that was kind of
37:33
the big breakdown. Trust any of you, especially,
37:37
you know, people like them, you like, you know that if I give
37:41
XYZ information to them, then you cannot trust them with that
37:46
information. So for you, like that would have
37:49
been like whether the Wallaces would have made fun of you, you
37:51
know, whatever the case might have been.
37:53
But we learn very quickly that we can't trust people and
37:59
certain people in our lives with XYZ.
38:01
And so we just completely shut people out.
38:04
I mean, just to protect ourselves and to be able to
38:06
function as people and do the things they want to do well.
38:09
And that's what you did. I think what's interesting from
38:11
the from the walls perspective and I and, and one thing I
38:14
always talk about a lot is I wanted to be a normal kid and I,
38:20
and I've talked about this a lot and I felt that they stifled
38:22
that to where it's like I wanted to go.
38:26
So in their mind, whenever you would have a discussion with
38:28
them, it was like you're you're going to be out drinking, you're
38:31
going to be partying, you're going to be having sex, whatever
38:34
those things. Are right, they're instantly
38:35
assuming the worst. They're yes.
38:38
And, and that's, and that's every conversation about
38:40
anything. And my biggest struggle with
38:43
them more than anything else was I just want to be normal.
38:47
You know, kids, kids, teenagers get to go watch a football game
38:51
at the, at the stadium. They have an ASB card and they
38:55
get to go watch their, you know, and all, all these different
38:58
things. And I always felt that they were
39:01
stifling that or I just felt like I couldn't even ask them.
39:06
I, I don't know why that was that the way it was.
39:08
It was that living in that fear that that I always felt like the
39:12
answer was no anyway. No, I mean, I think that that's
39:15
how especially parents back then and you know, even for like my
39:19
mom, like that's how they ruled was by fear, was fear and
39:22
intimidation. And so, yeah, then you don't
39:25
even ask them. Because.
39:27
You already know or assume what the answer's gonna be, or you're
39:31
gonna get in trouble just for asking the question.
39:35
Well, and I think, you know, I mean, I'm not saying I was
39:38
perfect by any means, but I know that it hurt their feelings a
39:42
lot because I snuck off. And that's the that's the
39:46
problem where I had three dates. But but I did, I did sneak off
39:51
to that particular prom and then the senior prom.
39:54
I, I was living with the minister at the time.
39:56
So you know I didn't have to you.
39:57
Had permission. Well, I was even asking.
40:00
I mean, I got treated like, yeah, I mean, that.
40:04
I, I, I, I talk about that a lot.
40:06
That senior year was the best year of my entire my entire life
40:09
and I still didn't get laid. So, I mean, but but what made
40:14
that year so special was I got to do anything and everything
40:17
that I really wanted to do in high school.
40:19
But you got to be normal. Yes, yes and feel like.
40:22
All the normal kids that got to go to the dances and got to do
40:26
this and got to do that and. It and it and it was the
40:28
greatest feeling to one time I was downtown cruising and people
40:33
were shocked. They're like what Virgil's
40:35
downtown cruising Because you know, I mean, I did, I did have
40:38
this era of I'm better, I guess. I mean, it wasn't meant to be
40:41
that way, but you know how you know, it's like, it's like you
40:45
see a kid and you're like, wow, that kid came to this thing.
40:47
You know, like like they would never come to that.
40:49
And so they kind of took me definitely they looked at me as
40:52
a goody 2 shoes, I guess. I guess that's the way to look
40:55
at it. So is right.
40:57
Did were you ever perceived as a goody 2 shoes?
41:01
Yes, to some degree, yeah, probably.
41:04
I mean, I mean, I was for the most part until, yeah, until I
41:08
got a little bit older. Yeah, like.
41:10
So I hit 16 ish. Right, right.
41:13
So there was I, I think they're. 18 probably.
41:15
Yeah, so in my in my high school career, I think there there
41:18
there was a perception that I was a goody 2 shoes.
41:21
I definitely, it was so funny when they discovered or I had
41:25
the biggest crush on this gal named Katie Howell, which I've
41:28
talked about a lot, that that was the first time I ever got
41:31
the sickness right that we've talked about on the podcast
41:33
before. And I remember that someone that
41:35
she was on the bus going to her cross country meet or whatever
41:38
and she was, Oh yeah, Virgil likes me and, and the boys in
41:42
the bus were like, he likes girls.
41:46
So, I mean, so it was just a yeah, well, no, I but it was
41:50
there's, it was just that perception of goody 2 shoes.
41:53
And then they didn't, they didn't know my sexuality or
41:56
what. They didn't know anything.
41:57
Well, they didn't know anything about me because because the
42:00
walls has had us on lockdown. Right.
42:02
And as the kid that's in that environment, just like we've
42:06
talked about how we didn't bring any of our friends back to our
42:08
house, you also don't tell them anything about your house.
42:11
Like you can't tell them, right? What's going on?
42:14
Because you, again, you can't trust that these kids aren't
42:17
going to turn that back around on you and make fun of you or
42:20
whatever it might be. Well, yeah, exactly.
42:22
Because if you invite a friend over and the dishes aren't done
42:24
or the laundry's not done or the OR you're living at or you're
42:27
living in a hoarder house, basically.
42:28
I mean, honestly, you got, you know, stuff isn't kept up.
42:32
You don't want them going back to school going.
42:33
Oh my gosh, I went to, I went to Michelle at Virgil's house and
42:36
oh, it's it stinks. And you know, yeah, yeah, I hear
42:40
you. Yep, Yep, you get it.
42:43
I did notice. I did notice you're back in your
42:47
usual spot for. Podcast and.
42:49
You're not like moving all around your house, so why are
42:53
you back in your spot? Give.
42:55
Us an update so the good news is that that the the home repairs
42:58
are done. We got two dogs wrestling over
43:01
there. If you're just curious what's
43:02
going on over there in the corner, we've got a visiting dog
43:04
named Cairo at Bodie and they're wrestling on the couch right
43:08
now. So yeah, we had that big leak
43:11
from the sprinkler. So the guest room got leak got
43:14
rained out. So we got it fixed and the nice
43:17
thing is I'm of course I worst case scenario said oh, $10,000
43:20
blah blah, blah and I think we got it all done all fixed for
43:23
like $5000 all in. So the siding on the House got
43:27
replaced the the cement got sealed and then the the bed
43:33
well, so we decided to do both bedrooms with new carpets.
43:36
The man caves got new carpet and the guest room has new carpet
43:39
smell. I love the smell.
43:40
A new carpet. Meet you.
43:42
I love the smell of paint. Like I'd like to just make my
43:44
husband paint rooms. Right, right.
43:47
It's like I feel like walking and smelling.
43:49
Yeah, so these two rooms are man, they smell like $1,000,000
43:52
like wow, you know, so, so the nice thing is it didn't, it
43:56
didn't break the bank. So me, of course I go wait,
43:59
worst case scenario. So, but yeah, we so yeah, that's
44:02
why I'm back in my my back to my original spot, back in the back
44:05
in the office. And just to show you that I'm
44:09
trying to change Michelle, I took I took Megan this weekend
44:13
to this Cameo Heights mansion. It's AB and B it's a Oh, nice.
44:18
It's right outside of Walla Walla, right.
44:20
And then I made, I made it a point to not I'm trying to
44:25
change the better made it a point not to mention the cost of
44:28
anything because remember, I make it up for Ryan.
44:31
Remember I told on the last podcast I talked about the
44:33
anniversary where I felt really bad because I had a dollar
44:36
amount. That's all I had in cash on me.
44:38
Yes. And then as she and then as she
44:40
ordered stuff, I kept getting irritated.
44:42
Right. You were, you know.
44:44
Right. And so and so I I felt like I
44:47
yeah, so and so it was good. It was a 74 you.
44:51
Needed to redeem yourself is what you're saying?
44:53
Well, I don't know if I did it but but it was.
44:56
But it was kind of cool you. Mentioned the cost and prices
44:59
and things at all on this entire trip.
45:01
No, no. Did you?
45:03
Expect anything from her. No, of course not.
45:07
Besides the youths. Well, besides the usual husband
45:10
stuff, but. Well, again, that's expecting
45:13
something from her, and again, she's just going to want to go
45:16
on this nice trip and just have it be fun.
45:18
Well, she is, yeah, she can't. She could have done that.
45:20
She could have done that too. I would have been happy with
45:21
that. But yes, like I had been feeling
45:23
guilty about every time we go out the.
45:25
Anniversary. Which things cost and so So it
45:28
was a 7 course dinner, 300 bucks.
45:31
That's that's pretty good for two people for seven courses,
45:36
that's a really good. Courses are, courses are.
45:40
Gourmet Hello have. You not.
45:42
Eaten at like fancy restaurants like you get like.
45:45
I know, I know. So So yeah, so that was that was
45:48
the good. And and then of course, we
45:50
stayed in one of the German suite.
45:51
Now the cool thing about this B&B is there's only 7 rooms.
45:56
So it's like, so we were in the German suite, which was awesome
45:58
and they had, you know, loft and different things like that.
46:00
And they all themed differently or?
46:02
They're yes, they're all themed differently, but it's, and
46:05
again, it's super cool. It's in wine country.
46:07
So there's so many. And so one of the things that
46:09
Megan had brought up was, Oh, I wish we could have stayed a
46:11
couple of days because I think you would have got more of the
46:14
ambiance or more of the, you know, different things.
46:17
And, and, and then and even she said, well, she goes, I think it
46:20
was kind of overpriced for what we got.
46:22
So, you know, but but I just made sure that I didn't bring,
46:26
you know, and and. She wanted to.
46:28
Get herself $100 bottle of wine. I was all right, honey, Go do go
46:31
for it. Because I just felt like I had
46:33
to make it up to her. Yeah, I mean, you did.
46:38
No, I know. Well, no, she's correct me on
46:39
the wine. She bought her own bottle of
46:41
wine for 100 bucks. But I'm just saying.
46:43
I would have. I would have.
46:44
I would have bought it. Megan could be on the show.
46:47
I would have bought it for 100 bucks.
46:49
I would have done it to make you happy.
46:52
Oh goodness. Well, at least you hopefully
46:54
redeemed yourself with her. Did I redeem myself?
46:58
No comment. It's Crick.
47:01
It's crickets. It's crickets.
47:02
I can't hear anything. The peanut gallery.
47:05
I can't hear anything in the peanut gallery up there.
47:08
That is fabulous. Yeah, we should have our spouses
47:11
on one time. One of the someone had asked if
47:15
we were going to have guests. So yes, I'm thinking we need to,
47:17
you know, I want to do what he said, she said.
47:21
We might have to ease into our spouses to see how this goes.
47:26
Well, we already know. We've already discovered that
47:28
I'm a big fat liar. So.
47:29
So I'll be gay. I'll be we over.
47:33
Exaggerate everything yes, just like me dying on you know, my
47:37
kids think it was an over exaggeration.
47:39
I was like, my heart rate was 40 like.
47:42
I don't, but, but we're over exaggerators.
47:46
We're just, we're just over exaggerators, I guess, to make
47:49
the story good, to make the story good.
47:51
Yes. These stories, it was so funny.
47:54
I was doing an event for Subaru Mccurley Subaru.
47:56
They were doing a pet adoption event.
47:58
And the guy walked, a guy and a wife walked up and they're
48:01
talking to me and they're like, oh, goes, oh, it goes, I love
48:04
your show. I mean, I hadn't said I was
48:05
Rick, but he just knew. And I love your radio show.
48:09
And he goes, he goes, he goes, honey, this is the guy who has
48:11
all those stories on the radio. So yeah, all the, all the exact,
48:18
yeah, all the. Exactly.
48:19
Do other people have the radio? Have stories?
48:22
Probably not. You know me, I've always got.
48:23
Stories. Probably AI.
48:25
Ashley doesn't have stories. We know that.
48:27
Much No, they don't know. They don't they don't have
48:29
trooper they don't have Trooper Nelson.
48:32
They don't, they don't, they don't have stop breaking the
48:34
law, I mean. Or sneaking in and out of the
48:38
house or. Skipping, they don't have any.
48:39
Of that, any of those stories. What are you talking about?
48:43
They don't have any of that. I do.
48:44
I do. I do think it's cool that your
48:46
kids were able to. You gave your kids a different.
48:49
That was the whole goal. Like even with my son, Logan is
48:52
to give them a life that that I didn't get.
48:54
Yes, and it and again, we see how we grew up wasn't right or
49:00
certain pieces of a wasn't right, or I want to make sure
49:03
I'm not like this or I'm going to break the circle or how,
49:06
however you want to look at it or say it or whatever it is.
49:09
I just knew that I was not going to be that type of mom or that
49:13
type of parent and to make sure that I broke the circle and
49:18
well, hopefully I did. I mean, sure I wasn't a perfect
49:21
parent, but I sure the hell tried my best to.
49:24
Be better for them. You have 3 geniuses, What the
49:26
heck? They didn't get that from me.
49:29
I know it's gonna say who has who has three geniuses.
49:32
You know, I got, I got 4. Of them, who's not the genius?
49:35
What are you saying? There's four who's not the
49:37
genius? I'm not pointing fingers
49:40
pointing. Three Which kid?
49:42
Which kid is not? Saying nothing.
49:45
I'm not Only you know only only you know, right?
49:52
Well, yeah, the joke is like, who is my favorite?
49:54
We always joke about that. So.
49:55
Right. Well, my kid eats paste paste.
49:59
So what do you want? You know, what do you you know?
50:01
I will say though, I will say that Logan, I told Logan he
50:07
couldn't go to a dance and he snuck out and went to the dance.
50:12
So I know so. Yeah.
50:15
Right. So if you ever want that, like I
50:18
remember because I said I'd gone to the prom.
50:20
Yeah, yeah. I'd gone to the.
50:21
I'd gone to the prom so. Which dance did he not get to go
50:24
to? So it was.
50:29
The dogs want to chime in on this.
50:31
Yes, so. So he got invited to go to a
50:34
dance in Pomeroy, Washington. So he was in Richland and he
50:39
wanted to go to a dance in Pomeroy.
50:41
How far is that? I have no idea.
50:43
That's a couple hours away, a couple hours away.
50:45
And I just said no, I said you're not.
50:47
You're just not going to go. You have no way to get there.
50:50
So you're not going to go. I'm not going to drive you.
50:52
You're not going to go. And he got pretty upset about
50:54
it. He was a junior in high school.
50:56
And next thing I know, I come home from work and he's gone.
50:59
He's gone. And he had called his cousin who
51:02
drove, who drove all the way from Lewiston to pick him up and
51:06
take him to this dance in Pomeroy.
51:10
So. I'm sorry, that's a fabulous
51:12
story. I love it.
51:13
Yeah. So, yeah.
51:15
So anyways, he got he got grounded.
51:18
He. Got going to say, how long did
51:19
he get grounded? He got grounded, he got he got
51:21
in a lot of trouble for that. For mine was usually like a week
51:24
a month, it just depended on what it was.
51:26
So you. Know it just depended yeah so
51:29
yeah he got grounded for that but I was I I laughed because
51:32
history history repeats itself but.
51:35
But but he's not going to have kids.
51:37
I thought so. No, no, not at all.
51:39
So I guess that's not, Yeah, that's not gonna happen.
51:41
So yeah, I snuck out on the Wallaces and he snuck out on me
51:45
and. I snuck out, but as far as I
51:48
know, none of my kids snuck out. Now, I could have heard any of
51:53
these stories, but they I mean, they've spilled some stuff that
51:57
but but it's stuff like, you know, the law where you can't
52:00
for the six month, first six months that you get your
52:02
license, they can't drive anybody other than their
52:05
siblings. Well, I just learned that they
52:07
were driving their friends, stuff like that.
52:09
It's nothing like earth shattering.
52:11
They weren't sneaking out of the house, or at least as far as I
52:14
know so far. Every.
52:15
That's that's. Oh yeah, they were like.
52:19
Come on. Well, and then Benjamin.
52:21
Those are those are rookie numbers.
52:23
So Benjamin was dating Haley at the time and so he would have to
52:27
pick up Jackson and Shaylee from school, usually after school.
52:30
And so he was bringing, he was also driving Haley home and he
52:33
would bribe his siblings to make sure that they didn't tell me
52:37
because he knew that he would get in trouble.
52:39
So of. Course he was.
52:40
Also bribing people. Well, I, I also think because
52:45
and not, and not that you were lenient, but because you had
52:47
trust with your kids. If, if you're allowed to, if
52:52
you're a good parent and you know, you've got good kids and
52:55
you've raised them right, you #1 you got to trust them and they
52:58
got to trust you. And so, and if you've raised
53:01
them right, you have to trust the fact that they're not out
53:03
doing something that, that, that they shouldn't be doing.
53:05
And so if you give them, but like you did say, which is
53:08
interesting too, when you have drama kids or you have van kids,
53:12
not to say that stuff doesn't stuff doesn't happen, but the
53:16
odds are slimmer in terms of in terms of your kid coming with
53:20
the leather jacket, smoke egg. Hey mom, you know smoking the
53:23
cig? And which I've always said wanna
53:25
not only being a decent parent, like that's a main thing, but
53:29
also who their friends are matters very much so.
53:34
So like those are two very important things when they're
53:38
growing up. I think so.
53:39
Agreed one hundred 100% on that. So yeah, band kids and drama
53:44
kids are great. No, if you've got, if you've
53:47
got, if they've got a good, a good friendship circle,
53:50
absolutely. But again, if you're hanging out
53:52
with juvenile delinquents, then you're going to be you and you
53:55
know, and that, and that was my that was my siblings like like
53:58
Tuffy and Steven and all of them, the reason why they were
54:01
always in jail or get in trouble is because the people that they
54:03
hang around hang around with. Now, what's the most interesting
54:06
about criminals? I will say one thing about
54:07
criminals and defend them at least one little bit.
54:09
I'm amazed on how many criminals have the biggest hearts.
54:13
Oh yeah. I I'm always shocked about, I'm
54:16
always shocked by like if you're, if you're broken down on
54:18
the side of the road, it never surprises me when, when the most
54:21
meanest looking dude who probably breaks the law daily
54:25
pulls up and and changes your tire.
54:27
You know what I'm saying, right? Knows how to fix your car, he.
54:29
Right. You know, I'd almost, I'd almost
54:31
take, I'd almost take that guy over some guy in his fancy
54:33
Mercedes, you know what I'm saying?
54:34
That that's just going to keep on driving by.
54:36
Stopping he are you kidding? Like if he breaks down, he's
54:39
calling his people or the tow truck.
54:41
Right, exactly. So.
54:43
So it's interesting that some of the kindest people I've met were
54:47
criminals. Or the poorest people, some of
54:50
the kindest. People.
54:51
Are the poorest people they would give?
54:53
You they will give the shirt literally yes the I wanna.
54:56
Agree one. 100% agree with that. Yeah, you cannot, you cannot
55:01
judge a book by its cover by any means.
55:03
And I've always like, same as you.
55:05
I've always been shocked by the the person you least expect help
55:08
from is the person that steps up.
55:10
And I think social media has made it worse that now we are,
55:13
we just, you judge things off of a picture now from Instagram,
55:17
it's not even and it's all staged.
55:20
Some of these influencers go and rent these houses.
55:23
They're not even their real houses, for God's sake.
55:26
So you. You can't believe any of these
55:28
things. And news broke a few years back
55:32
that MTV Cribs was also all staged.
55:36
A lot of those. I did not hear that, no.
55:39
You're going to like my heart. Yes, yes, yes.
55:42
So So yes, a lot of them will say it was not they again, they
55:46
did the same thing. This is before social
55:48
influencers. They went and rented.
55:51
I think remember, remember the the the gal named JoJo, She had
55:55
a big hit called It's a little too late or whatever.
55:57
She was 13 years old. Well, she she copped to her MTV
56:01
cribs that she was on this. Is she a new album that just
56:03
came? Out recently and she and she
56:05
copped to her MTV cribs that it was all rented.
56:07
All the cars were rented, the mansions were rented Yeah.
56:11
Because she was out on tour, she says.
56:12
I was living in a out of a suitcase well.
56:15
I mean, yeah, I could see that like.
56:17
But there are other big stars that rented that.
56:21
Yeah, MTV Cribs. You didn't go to their house.
56:25
Disappointment. No, I don't know who those.
56:27
Celebrities are. Now I want to know who those
56:30
celebrities are. Do a search.
56:32
Do a search when we get off. The I am now, you know, now I
56:35
want to know who's lying like. Who's lying are you?
56:39
Are you just heartbroken? Well I mean reality TV is not
56:44
reality which my daughter has to remind me of this all the time
56:48
as I'm watching Survivor or I love the Real Housewives
56:52
franchises so. I know you.
56:54
Do usually she comes downstairs and I'm watching one of those
56:56
and she's like, oh God. She's like, you know, this isn't
56:59
real, right? And it's like, well, I love I'm
57:02
here for the drama and rich people with problems.
57:05
So. Yeah.
57:07
So I know for the. Most part it's not real, but MTV
57:11
dear. So So for example, pop singer
57:13
JoJo used her uncle's house on Cape Cod for her episode.
57:17
Oh, you googled it? And JA JA Rule's house on Cribs.
57:21
JA Rule's house on Cribs was actually a four day rental, Ja
57:27
Rule. So there you go.
57:29
Robbie Williams used a fake house.
57:32
He. Did even hired A-Team and even
57:34
hired a team of pretend butlers to be there on shooting day.
57:38
Rapper Redmond used his real home for the show, but he later
57:40
revealed that MTV producers hadn't asked him to rent
57:43
something nicer. So basically.
57:47
And then $0.50 showed off an extensive collection of luxury
57:50
cars on his episodes, which all turned out to be rentals and
57:54
little bow Wows. A little bow.
57:56
That was the big one. That was the big one.
58:00
Little Bow Wow. You remember a little Bow Wow,
58:03
there was a there was an episode where he said, oh, catch me on
58:06
MTV cribs. I'm I'm taking my private jet
58:08
and somebody's did a snapshot of him in coach and said how, how
58:13
you know? So because like you said, social
58:15
influencers right now will stand outside of a jet and go, Yep,
58:19
man, this this tour, this tour is, you know, and.
58:22
It's. Just I'm on a tour again and
58:23
then someone's like, why are you in coach?
58:29
I know I broke your childhood. Sorry, I'll never do that.
58:31
Again, MTV Cribs, it's not right.
58:35
How can you really? Yeah.
58:36
How can you really believe all the crap that's out there right
58:38
now? I don't believe anything.
58:40
You can't. No.
58:42
All right, well, we are almost at an hour.
58:46
I did want to talk about the price of my coffee, but we'll
58:49
have to say that for a next step.
58:51
Well. Talk because we're criminals.
58:52
It's much it's much more fun to talk about being criminals.
58:55
You know, we learned. We've learned a lot of.
58:57
Criminal stuff. Yeah, I did a lot more than
59:00
yeah, that I've. I've never admitted any of this
59:02
stuff to hardly anybody because it's a little embarrassing when
59:05
you think about it. Yeah, yeah.
59:07
I mean, I think my kids know, Yeah.
59:11
I think they know most of the stories.
59:13
I don't know if they know the one with my dad and his
59:15
girlfriend. That car, they knew I took the
59:18
car, snuck out of the house. They knew that story with my
59:22
mom. And they probably don't know how
59:24
much I skipped school, but. So.
59:27
I know the rest of. Them I look at those Michelle,
59:30
as those are mom cards and dad cards.
59:32
So when you're sitting down with your kid after they've broken
59:34
the law, you're able to whip out a dad card and go, hey, son,
59:39
here's what I did. Don't do it.
59:41
And then they feel better about, you know, breaking the law or
59:44
they don't feel like they don't feel so alone in the, you know.
59:47
Right, because again, you're just stupid kids.
59:50
Right. So.
59:51
But you don't repeat it. That's that's, you know, so all
59:54
the times I've broken the law, which has been many, I didn't
59:57
repeat it. So what's that lesson from this
1:00:00
episode? Kids?
1:00:01
Don't repeat any of the stuff. Go ahead and just once, don't
1:00:06
let go. Any of the stuff Rick and I have
1:00:08
just said we did in this podcast, that's our disclaimer.
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