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Speaker 1: He's the bold reform it.
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Speaker 2: Tonight, yet another senior left wing liberal quits politics, leaving
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Speaker 2: Peter Dutton even more in charge. And bang he makes.
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Speaker 3: Use of it.
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Speaker 2: He says, no more flying of three flags? Is he right?
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Speaker 2: The last Matt Canavan also tonight. Now even a friend
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Speaker 2: of Aboriginal Australiansys has his home invaded in Alice Springs.
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Speaker 2: Plus the Reserve Bank governor tells us just how much
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Speaker 2: more you are paying under labor? And bad news for
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Speaker 2: my bosses and bad news for me and you as well.
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Speaker 2: But first the Prime Minister is finished, his moral authority
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Speaker 2: is destroyed. Today was a total humiliation. There's anything the
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Speaker 2: halpen is he paid the price for making Jews feel
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Speaker 2: unsafe by his some principled weakness in confronting Muslim and
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Speaker 2: hard left ant Israel radicals. Albanez, he finally visited the
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Speaker 2: Dusk Synagogue in Melbourne, was firebombed five days ago, looking
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Speaker 2: like he was on what police call a purp walk,
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Speaker 2: the walk of shame, with Jewish worshipers heckling him stay
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Speaker 2: for tennis.
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Speaker 4: Back the Prime ministering Dame calls antibio.
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Speaker 5: What are you doing for us?
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Speaker 2: As he then gave a very short and rush statement
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Speaker 2: and fled, refusing to take questions from reporters or the
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Speaker 2: crowd in scenes of chaos and.
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Speaker 5: Your response to perpetrators beyond us.
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Speaker 1: Of the car.
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Speaker 2: As you can see, the visit was a disaster. It
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Speaker 2: was just a ticker box exercise. Been there too late
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Speaker 2: to insincere ticker box. The man who preferred to spend
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Speaker 2: Saturday playing tennis tennis before terrorism and only now flew
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Speaker 2: to Melbourne to confront the consequences of his leadership. And
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Speaker 2: I'll show you another example of Albanese's tiny you today,
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Speaker 2: his inability to connect with the gravity of this moment.
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Speaker 2: I mean here we have a Melbourne synagogue torched as
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Speaker 2: Jews face a wave of anti Semitism never seen in
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Speaker 2: this country until Albanizi became Prime Minister, anti Semitism so
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Speaker 2: bad that the US based Sarma Wisenthyl Center now warns
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Speaker 2: Jews traveling here to be careful, blaming the danger on
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Speaker 2: the failure of Australian authorities to stand up against persistent demonization,
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Speaker 2: harassment and violence against Jews. So to today, the leaders
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Speaker 2: of the Ada Synagogue introduced Albanizi to one of the
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Speaker 2: two men who'd been praying in that synagogue when it
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Speaker 2: was torched and could have been killed. Albanese turned this
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Speaker 2: in the tragedy into a bit of joshing.
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Speaker 6: Why were you here at that time in the morning?
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Speaker 1: What is going on every day?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, sitting alone in my parents.
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Speaker 1: Danish very early. I get up early, but that is
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Speaker 1: very early.
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Speaker 2: That's it. Oh, I get up early too. I mean, seriously,
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister, do you get up early to find
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Speaker 2: someone's just burned the building with you inside it. I mean,
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Speaker 2: the anger towards discovering from Jews is quite understandable and
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Speaker 2: now off the charts. I mean, many feel not just
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Speaker 2: frightened by this anti Semitism, but betrayed, betrayed by a
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Speaker 2: labor party that many ones supported but which now demonizes
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Speaker 2: Israel and plays down the anti Semitism, whereas for too
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Speaker 2: long often bracketing it with Islamophobias. If Muslims, of course,
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Speaker 2: face exactly the same dangers Josh Burns was with the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister today. This is a local federal member there
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Speaker 2: Jewish himself. His office is also set on fire and
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Speaker 2: vandalized by an anti Israel extremist. Yet last Sunday, even
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Speaker 2: Josh Burns was abused by fellow Jews at a ceremony
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Speaker 2: of the same synagogue, abuse for being almost mute as
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Speaker 2: his labor government sat on its hands, and on the
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Speaker 2: ABC today he sounded chain faced.
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Speaker 7: When your community says it's taken your government too long,
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Speaker 7: do you concede the point.
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Speaker 8: I concede the point that it should never have gotten
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Speaker 8: to this and that right now.
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Speaker 5: And that the government is responsible.
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Speaker 8: We're all responsible, Patricia. You know I take personal responsibility
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Speaker 8: as well.
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Speaker 2: Burns today to try to pivot and blame opposite leader
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Speaker 2: Peter Dutton for some of the heat, accusing him of
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Speaker 2: playing politics by not letting Liberal front bench of James
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Speaker 2: Patterson read out a statement written by Burns at a
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Speaker 2: joint event to show solidarity to the Jewish community. Burns,
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Speaker 2: at a hoarse voice, couldn't read it. But really give
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Speaker 2: me a break, as Patterson and Dutton both you know,
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Speaker 2: as I said, why was it some senior labor figure
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Speaker 2: there to read out a labor statement? Why hide behind
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Speaker 2: the liberals?
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Speaker 9: Josh is a nice guy, but Josh lost his voice
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Speaker 9: long before the weekend. Josh hasn't stood up to a
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Speaker 9: week Prime Minister.
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Speaker 8: Peter Dutton told James that he wasn't allowed to read
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Speaker 8: out my words. I wanted to stand out with James
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Speaker 8: and you know, and present the United Front on this,
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Speaker 8: and Peter Dutton decided that it was more important to
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Speaker 8: play partisan games.
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Speaker 2: Oh how dare the Liberals play politics with this anti semitism?
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Speaker 2: Says the Labor Party. Maybe, but such hippocrisy given that
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Speaker 2: Labor inflamed an anti Semitism in the first place by
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Speaker 2: playing politics with the Muslim vote. So I repeat, why
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Speaker 2: should the Liberals help Labors? Josh Burns as if the
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Speaker 2: two parties are as one when it comes to Jewish Australia.
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Speaker 2: No they're not. And we saw that again today. We
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Speaker 2: saw two senior Labor ministers responsible in part for the
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Speaker 2: Albanizi government, pandering to Israeli haters, to anti israel haters.
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Speaker 2: We saw these two ministers just double down. I mean,
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Speaker 2: at the very moment that Albanezi was visiting this at
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Speaker 2: US synagogue, burned out Industry minister at Husick was on
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Speaker 2: Sky News arguing that our eight hundred thousand Muslims faced
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Speaker 2: just as much hatred as that one hundred thousand Jews.
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Speaker 2: They've actually been attacked with fists and rocks, and synagogues
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Speaker 2: and officers touched and vandalized. I've been boycotted and openly
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Speaker 2: threatened with violence. But look, said Husick. Eleven months ago,
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Speaker 2: one person left a container of petrol on top of
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Speaker 2: the car with a threatening note.
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Speaker 10: There have been incidents too where people from either an
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Speaker 10: Arab or a Muslim background have been targeted in the
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Speaker 10: last twelve months.
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Speaker 1: I mean, there was an incident and in New South Wales.
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Speaker 10: As you may be familiar, where a bomb was placed
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Speaker 10: on the car of a person who had displayed outside
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Speaker 10: their home a Palestinian flag. That matter had been taken
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Speaker 10: up subsequently by police. Now that's as equally bad.
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Speaker 2: Not a bomba container of petrol. And then there was
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Speaker 2: Foreign Minister pennywo today, I mean last night, she chose
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Speaker 2: exactly this dangerous, explosive, tense time to give another speech
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Speaker 2: painting Israel as virtually a rogue state. She even bracketed
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Speaker 2: with China and Russia, implying that Israel was another rule
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Speaker 2: breaker as it fights for its survival against terrorists. I mean,
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Speaker 2: how inflammatory was that? Now offensive? And then having poured
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Speaker 2: more of her petrol onto the anti Jewish flames. Wong
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Speaker 2: today delivered this patronizing platitude.
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Speaker 11: What I would say to the Australian Jewish community is this,
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Speaker 11: you are a valued part of our community. You are
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Speaker 11: entitled to be and feel safe.
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Speaker 2: Jews are entitled to feel safe. So as a senior
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Speaker 2: minister of the government making Jews feel so unsafe that
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Speaker 2: human rights groups are warning Jews, watch out for Australia,
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Speaker 2: watch out for the Australian government. It's weakness. And today
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albanezi showed that this is a weak government that
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Speaker 2: rots from the head. There's just quickly the economic use
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Speaker 2: today the Reserve Bank has no surprise that started again
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Speaker 2: not to cut interest rates. Inflation is still too high
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Speaker 2: and said but slowly coming down, so Australians might get
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Speaker 2: lucky early next year. And the Albanizer government desperately needs
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Speaker 2: it to. It really really needs a rate cut before
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Speaker 2: the election, probably March April. But the Reserve Bank government
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Speaker 2: today wasn't giving any promises.
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Speaker 12: I honestly don't know if we're going to be cutting
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Speaker 12: in February. We're going to be looking at the data
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Speaker 12: and be dated.
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Speaker 2: The two other election related news. Peter Dutton is a
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Speaker 2: lucky man last election. It's true costs the Liberals a
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Speaker 2: lot of seats, more than it could afford, but at
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Speaker 2: least many of the Liberals who lost were of the
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Speaker 2: liberal left, almost indistinguishable, some of them from Labor. That
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Speaker 2: left Dutton free to take the party back to where
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Speaker 2: it should have been more conservative voted against the Voice
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Speaker 2: for instance. Now more luck Dutton is losing two of
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Speaker 2: the most senior left wing Liberals left that some Birmingham,
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Speaker 2: the Senator, his Foreign Affairs spokesman. Two weeks ago he
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Speaker 2: said he was retiring, and today Paul Fletcher, as manager
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Speaker 2: of Oppostion Business, said he was going to as well
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Speaker 2: to allow for a renewal. He said, which you know
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Speaker 2: and of course believes now. I know it's not ideal
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Speaker 2: to lose a sitting member at the last minute in
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Speaker 2: a very tight election, but at least Fletcher delayed long
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Speaker 2: enough to stop forming New South Wales Treasurer of Matt
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Speaker 2: Kean a globe warming streams from replacing him and causing
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Speaker 2: more instability that in fact, I think it was part
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Speaker 2: of the plan. But now that it's quitting, well, that
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Speaker 2: suggests that Fletcher did think that Teal Independent Nicolette T.
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Speaker 2: Buller was going to beat him this time after his
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Speaker 2: small margin and the Sydney seed of Bradfield was halved
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Speaker 2: with the change of its boundaries. A Buller, by the way,
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Speaker 2: it is one of those very confused global warming teals
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Speaker 2: who think you can get rid of gas and coal
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Speaker 2: and still miracle have cheaper electricity, and she's amazed to
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Speaker 2: find that prices have gone up instead.
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Speaker 11: There isn't that I'm standing for election in twenty twenty
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Speaker 11: five is. I feel, like so many people in the
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Speaker 11: community that career party politicians aren't getting the job done.
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Speaker 11: And we're seeing that when we go to tap on
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Speaker 11: to pay the grocery bill each week, we see our
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Speaker 11: energy prices continuing to rise.
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Speaker 2: We joined the Dotsmiths Buller, but back to Dene. Losing
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Speaker 2: so many leftis has been meant. It's been freer to campaign,
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Speaker 2: like I said on the Voice last year and yesterday,
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Speaker 2: to say no to flying three flags as the prime
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Speaker 2: always does. He always flies three flags, string flag and
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Speaker 2: two race flags.
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Speaker 9: We are a country united under one flag, and if
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Speaker 9: we're asking people to identify with different flags, not where
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Speaker 9: the country does that, and we are dividing our country unnecessarily.
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Speaker 9: Now we should have respect for the indigenous flag and
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Speaker 9: the Torres straight hole in the flag, but they are
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Speaker 9: not our national flags.
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Speaker 2: They were in peace that they tried to dismiss Dunton's
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Speaker 2: call as proof that he's dividing the strands. Joshu Burns
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Speaker 2: said it too, which is a laugh. When it's labor
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Speaker 2: flying flags of just two races, that's dividing us. And
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Speaker 2: then oh look it's often a frolic.
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Speaker 13: I think this says Peter Dunn, just doing what he
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Speaker 13: knows how to do best, try and get a headline
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Speaker 13: with no substance, no real policies about, for example, tackling
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Speaker 13: cost of living or things that really matter to the
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Speaker 13: Australian people.
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Speaker 2: Pretty simple policy, mister, rush with it flag not three flags, okay,
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Speaker 2: pretty simple. Joining me every Tuesday is National Center, the
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Speaker 2: Mat Canavan, the former Resources Minister Matt. This country has
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Speaker 2: never seen so divided. You just have to ask our Jews.
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Speaker 2: Of course, is it a time governments did emphasize instead
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Speaker 2: the things that you notice, like one flag for all races.
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Speaker 14: Well, look, Andrew, I think that division has grown under
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Speaker 14: this Prime Minister, and principally that's because he has shown
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Speaker 14: a lot of weakness in response to some grave challenges
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Speaker 14: that have emerged from around the world. Those challenges weren't
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Speaker 14: of his doing, but it comes with a job to
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Speaker 14: respond to issues like the rise of terrorism in the
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Speaker 14: Middle East and the flow and effects here. But put simply,
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Speaker 14: this Prime Minister has always spoken with a foked tongue
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Speaker 14: on these issues. He has seemingly always had one eye
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Speaker 14: on the electoral implications of very simple things like visiting
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Speaker 14: an affected Australian community, the Jewish community in this case,
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Speaker 14: that have been terribly struck by this shocking firebomb bombing,
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Speaker 14: and the promise just hasn't been able to give the
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Speaker 14: kind of leadership that would unite this country. And I
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Speaker 14: think that's the principal reason why that division is growing.
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Speaker 14: Now to the particular issue here, I think that Peter
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Speaker 14: Dutton is exactly right. We are one nation, we have
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Speaker 14: one flag, and we should unite as much as possible
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Speaker 14: around that flag. Now, I say that with great respect
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Speaker 14: for our indigenous heritage, just as many other aspects of
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Speaker 14: our heritage. There will be a role and a place
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Speaker 14: for the Indigenous flag, the Torres Straight Islander flag.
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Speaker 1: To be used.
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Speaker 14: But I actually think the overuse of Indigenous and Torres
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Speaker 14: straight Alander symbols, the overuse of welcome to countries, acknowledgment
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Speaker 14: of countries, has cheapened our respect for that heritage. We
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Speaker 14: would be much better to save those symbols of our
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Speaker 14: history for the special occasion that uniquely and distinctly mark
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Speaker 14: our indigenous heritage. That would build I think, more respect
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Speaker 14: across the Australian people. But make it a special thing,
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Speaker 14: and we would have other opportunities to respect our multicultural heritage,
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Speaker 14: our British heritage. And of course we all then unite
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Speaker 14: around one flag in this great nation of ours. We
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Speaker 14: are so lucky to live in what I think is
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Speaker 14: the greatest nation on earth.
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Speaker 2: And I don't get the implication that to say we're
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Speaker 2: all one, we're all equal, we're all under one flag,
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Speaker 2: is to somehow disrespect someone else, will treat them as inferior. No,
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Speaker 2: it doesn't. It lifts us all the up. Paul Fletcher
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Speaker 2: now quitting some Birmingham before him. Is this because the
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Speaker 2: liberal left realized the party has changed and their time
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Speaker 2: is gone.
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Speaker 1: Look, I think that's probably reading too much into it.
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Speaker 14: I mean, I say someone here and I know everyone
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Speaker 14: thinks the old trite I want to spend more time
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Speaker 14: with my family is co for something else. But I'll
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Speaker 14: tell you with someone in the mix of politics that
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Speaker 14: sentiments all. Every time a politician gets up and says that,
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Speaker 14: you know, for me, it's like, yeah, that does pull me.
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Speaker 14: It palls me in that direction. I mean, it is
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Speaker 14: a huge sacrifice being away from your family. I'm not
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Speaker 14: coming on your show for any kind of pity or
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Speaker 14: poor me.
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Speaker 1: I chose this. I'm a volunteer. My wife's the conscript
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Speaker 1: my kids are the conscripts. But look, I think there.
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Speaker 14: Probably are the reasons that politicians make these decisions.
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Speaker 1: I think we've got an excellent shot of being.
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Speaker 14: In government, and I'm sure Simon Birmingham Paul Fletcher would
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Speaker 14: have been very, very tempted.
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Speaker 1: To stay for that prospect.
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Speaker 14: But look, I don't know their own personal circumstances, but
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Speaker 14: I think in these situations usually most people put their
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Speaker 14: family first.
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Speaker 2: Labor is complaining that Peter Dutton stopped living from bench
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Speaker 2: of James Patterson of reading out a statement bout laboring Pete.
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Speaker 2: Josh Burns are rally supporting Jewish Australians with Burns that
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Speaker 2: are lost his voice. It was bitty. Don't playing it
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Speaker 2: too hard?
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Speaker 14: Well, I think what you said is right there. It
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Speaker 14: wasn't there a Labor member of Parliament to make that statement.
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Speaker 14: I mean, Melbourne's a big place. I mean it might
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Speaker 14: be a bit different where I'm from up here in
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Speaker 14: the country where you've only got one member of a
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Speaker 14: parliament for an area of the size of Western Europe
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Speaker 14: in some circumstances, so you sort of have to work
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Speaker 14: together a bit more. But there's a lot of other
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Speaker 14: In fact, you know, the Labor Party have the majority
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Speaker 14: of members from Melbourne over us. Why couldn't someone else
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Speaker 14: have deputized for Josh? I think the answer to that
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Speaker 14: question is we all know that while Josh is a
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Speaker 14: good blike I think he's a good guy, there are
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Speaker 14: a few and far between like him in the Labor
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Speaker 14: Party at the moment that are willing to do very
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Speaker 14: simple things like defend the right of a democratic country
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Speaker 14: like Israel to defend itself. I mean, it's a complex
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Speaker 14: such people can have very different views on it.
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Speaker 1: But I think the the.
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Speaker 14: Tell here is that the Labor Party can't even bring
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Speaker 14: themselves to stand in solidar or some of them can't
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Speaker 14: saddenly do that when a synagogue has been firebombed. I mean,
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Speaker 14: it should be a very simple thing. So look, I
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Speaker 14: don't think I think it's been blowing over a proportion.
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Speaker 14: I don't know the details either behind it. But even
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Speaker 14: if I were to take Josh's account at face value,
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Speaker 14: I think you're absolutely right.
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Speaker 1: Where are the other labor MPs at this event?
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Speaker 2: Where are they? Where are they? Defence Minister others? Where
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Speaker 2: are they? Mcanavan? Thank you so much for your time
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Speaker 2: the Northern Territory. It's changed its government, but the biggest
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Speaker 2: problems still there and terrible crime rates, especially among Aboriginal youths.
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Speaker 2: The latest victim is a territory legend, Ted Egan, the
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Speaker 2: well known singer's storyteller, former administrated the normal territory administrates
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Speaker 2: like a governor in state and someone who's worked in
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Speaker 2: Aboriginal townships and learned a couple of Abaginal language as
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Speaker 2: a friend of the Aboriginal people. Joining me is Scarne
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Speaker 2: New's Lord and Australia correspondent Matt Cunningham. Mccannahem, great to
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Speaker 2: see you again. Look what happened?
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Speaker 1: Well?
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Speaker 15: This was last Tuesday morning about four am in Alice Springs.
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Speaker 6: Andrew.
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Speaker 15: Now I've spoken to Ted Egan today. He says, at
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Speaker 15: that time, his wife ners.
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Speaker 6: Was in bed.
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Speaker 15: She was woken to find two intruders were in the
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Speaker 15: bedroom of their house. Now, she screamed when she's seen
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Speaker 15: that these intruders were in there. She's eighty four years old.
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Speaker 15: You've got to remember Ted Egan, he's ninety.
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Speaker 6: Two years old.
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Speaker 15: So that's woken Ted up and he's seen the intruders
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Speaker 15: in the home as well. Now he started to chase
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Speaker 15: them out. He chased them through the living room. Ted
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Speaker 15: Egan's a man Andrew as you know, who spent a
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Speaker 15: lot of time in Aboriginal communities across the Northern Territory
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Speaker 15: in other parts of Northern Australia. So he actually started
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Speaker 15: yelling at these intruders in the indigenous languages of Walpury
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Speaker 15: and Pigeonjarra.
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Speaker 6: He said that they were saying to him, you know,
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Speaker 6: give me some.
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Speaker 15: Money and we'll go away, and he was basically telling
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Speaker 15: them to get the hell out of there. There was
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Speaker 15: a third intruder who was in his yard. They've eventually
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Speaker 15: taken off in a stolen car that was later found
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Speaker 15: burn out. So The police were then called to the home.
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Speaker 15: He said the police came very quickly. He's very complimentary
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Speaker 15: of how they responded to this incident, particularly given the
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Speaker 15: number of incidents they're having to deal with in Alice
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Speaker 15: Springs at the moment. But he gave them a statement.
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Speaker 15: He said that he had lost his wallet, his phone.
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Speaker 15: They'd also taken two sets of spare car keys, and
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Speaker 15: that meant that the next morning he in fact had
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Speaker 15: to get a locksmith around to have the locks change
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Speaker 15: in the ignitions of those vehicles, because the concern is,
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Speaker 15: of course, once they steal your car keys, they're going
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Speaker 15: to come back and steal your car. So, I mean,
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Speaker 15: this is the latest in a number of serious incidents
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Speaker 15: in recent weeks in Alice Springs, a crime situation that
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Speaker 15: has been escalating. On Saturday night, there was a twenty
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Speaker 15: nine year old woman I've been told that she was
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Speaker 15: a doctor who was allegedly raped by someone who invaded
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Speaker 15: her home in the suburb of East Side in Alice Springs.
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Speaker 15: There was another incident at the weekend Andrew where I've
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Speaker 15: been able to confirm there were stolen cars that were
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Speaker 15: traveling around the CBD and a police officer in fact,
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Speaker 15: had to draw his gun at one stage, and that
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Speaker 15: was what eventually saw those cars disappear from the CBD
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Speaker 15: and out into the suburbs of Alice Springs. So, I mean,
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Speaker 15: we've talked about this being a crisis for a long time,
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Speaker 15: but it's not getting any better. I know, the government's
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Speaker 15: come in and change some laws, but we're not seeing
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Speaker 15: any improvement at this stage on the ground in Alice Springs,
20:32
Speaker 15: and we are coming into the summer of the Christmas
20:34
Speaker 15: New Year period where traditionally things get worse.
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Speaker 2: This is just incredible, Matt. You can't really just click
20:44
Speaker 2: your fingers and expect much change. I mean, I was
20:46
Speaker 2: shocked by that recent Currenter's report in the Northern Territory
20:49
Speaker 2: that said something like one in hundred people spent time
20:52
Speaker 2: in jail. I mean, that's that's just an incredible imprisonment
20:57
Speaker 2: rate like that, with incidents like yeah and.
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Speaker 15: Let's remember someone who is let's remember sorry if I
21:03
Speaker 15: can cut you off, is it sixty five percent of
21:06
Speaker 15: those people are in prison. I mean, there's always this
21:09
Speaker 15: discussion about how many people are in prison in the
21:11
Speaker 15: Northern Territory, and I think there's this narrative that people
21:13
Speaker 15: in Melbourne and Sydney have that they're in there for
21:15
Speaker 15: are unpaid parking. Five and sixty five percent of the
21:19
Speaker 15: people who are in prison in the Northern Territory are
21:21
Speaker 15: Aboriginal people who are in there for committing an offense
21:25
Speaker 15: of violence against another Aboriginal person. So, I mean, I'm
21:29
Speaker 15: probably not telling you anything you don't know already, but
21:31
Speaker 15: I just worry that sometimes when we're banding around these statistics,
21:35
Speaker 15: you know, people get the wrong impression of what's going
21:38
Speaker 15: on here. There is an epidemic of violence that is
21:41
Speaker 15: happening in the Northern Territory.
21:42
Speaker 6: It's continuing to happen, and it's getting worse.
21:46
Speaker 2: Well, in fact, i'd go further. I was shocked to
21:49
Speaker 2: find that many of those that those assaults or forms
21:55
Speaker 2: of violence or whatever it was against another person, we're
22:00
Speaker 2: talking family members. A lot of it's domestic violence. Is
22:03
Speaker 2: when I hear activists here say don't lock them up,
22:06
Speaker 2: it's just systemic racism and thinking you're wanting people to
22:11
Speaker 2: stay out there to assault other women or children. Seriously,
22:18
Speaker 2: how does that help anyone these simplistic complaints that you
22:22
Speaker 2: hear from down south, that does all racism and white
22:25
Speaker 2: man's justice and all that. But given what's happened here
22:29
Speaker 2: with even ted Egan, a territory legend, I don't think
22:32
Speaker 2: many people outside on the territory will know just what
22:34
Speaker 2: a legend he is and what's done for the average
22:37
Speaker 2: and community, et cetera, et cetera.
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Speaker 15: What's this telling you, Well, it tells you that there's
22:44
Speaker 15: a serious breakdown, societal breakdown that's going on now.
22:48
Speaker 6: It's interesting. I've been in I've interviewed as well.
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Speaker 15: Marrion Scrimger, the Federal Labor MP Andrew and she's been
22:56
Speaker 15: in contact with Ted Egan since he's happened. But I mean,
23:00
Speaker 15: I mean, she said to me that she is really
23:02
Speaker 15: concerned about growing racial division that we are seeing in
23:07
Speaker 15: the Northern Territory at the moment. And in fact, she
23:09
Speaker 15: said she has concerns that now there are non Indigenous women,
23:14
Speaker 15: in particular in Alice Springs who are deliberately being targeted
23:19
Speaker 15: in some of these instances. Now, Marion Scrimt and Ted
23:23
Speaker 15: Egan are talking about getting together and trying to find
23:26
Speaker 15: some solutions to these problems. It's clear that what we're
23:29
Speaker 15: doing at the moment is not working. But you know,
23:33
Speaker 15: when you hear a federal labor politician talk about the
23:35
Speaker 15: fact that we have serious racial division here in the
23:37
Speaker 15: Northern Territory and her concerns.
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Speaker 6: About where that's heading.
23:42
Speaker 15: You know, you've got some real problems and also a
23:45
Speaker 15: real lack of respect for authority. There was an incident
23:48
Speaker 15: on the Tiwi Islands last week Andrew where police at
23:52
Speaker 15: six o'clock in the morning, we're trying to execute an
23:55
Speaker 15: arrest warrant for a known domestic violence offender community a
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Speaker 15: Miller Carpety and those three police were assaulted.
24:03
Speaker 6: One of them was knocked unconscious.
24:06
Speaker 15: There was an attempt made to steal the firearm of
24:08
Speaker 15: that officer while he was unconscious on the ground in
24:12
Speaker 15: that home. One of those police officers had to be
24:15
Speaker 15: flowing back to Darwin. He had a broken jaw, he'd
24:19
Speaker 15: lost teeth. He was in a really bad way and
24:22
Speaker 15: remain so now. So you're just seeing these terrible incidents.
24:26
Speaker 15: There's been a lot of focus on Alice Springs, but
24:29
Speaker 15: it's not just happening in Alice Springs. We've really been
24:32
Speaker 15: at a crisis point for some time here in the
24:34
Speaker 15: Northern Territory. We've got a new government now that they've
24:37
Speaker 15: introduced some tougher laws, but I'm not seeing much change
24:41
Speaker 15: at this stage.
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Speaker 2: Well I've seen a change, but it's not like what
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Speaker 2: you're suggesting there. When I grew up in the territory,
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Speaker 2: the sort of stories we're hearing, they were almost unknown.
24:54
Speaker 2: Now you're telling me stories like this. I was told
24:57
Speaker 2: by a relative who served as a police officer in
25:01
Speaker 2: Darwin about the kind of violence that he's had to
25:03
Speaker 2: deal with over there. If you're talking about a racial problem,
25:07
Speaker 2: if you mean if the people telling you about racial
25:10
Speaker 2: problems mean that there are a lot of non Aborigines
25:13
Speaker 2: frightened of Aborigines. There may be a reason for that,
25:16
Speaker 2: and it's just something he's got to be done. Matt Cunningham,
25:20
Speaker 2: always great to talk to you.
25:21
Speaker 6: Thank you so much, Thanks Andrew.
25:25
Speaker 2: After the break, Donald Trump is welcome back like a
25:28
Speaker 2: hero by world leaders. What had changed from last time?
25:32
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you why. You know, it's not just
25:38
Speaker 2: the Jews who are in danger from this sickness in
25:41
Speaker 2: the left, this romancing of violence. This is Jordan van
25:45
Speaker 2: de Lum, a former public servant and the Socialist Party
25:49
Speaker 2: is Victorian candidate for the Senate. And this is one
25:51
Speaker 2: of his recent posts make Capitalists Afraid Again, showing the
25:55
Speaker 2: man in New York last week he shot dead Brian Thompson,
25:58
Speaker 2: a health insurance execus. The father that killer is allegedly
26:02
Speaker 2: Luigi Mangiani, who was arrested earlier today following can tip
26:05
Speaker 2: off from a worker at the McDonald's. Now Angeooni allegedly
26:09
Speaker 2: wrote a manifesto to justify this assassination. And what it's
26:12
Speaker 2: so sick about this killing is that it's been backed
26:15
Speaker 2: by many people on the Internet, or at least sympathized with.
26:18
Speaker 2: Even Taylor Lorenz, a former Washington Post columnist who then
26:22
Speaker 2: moved to Fox News now being sacked posted and people
26:25
Speaker 2: wonder why we want these executives dead. She later said, no,
26:30
Speaker 2: she didn't really advocate murder.
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Speaker 16: But still, when you see the entire internet, left and right,
26:37
Speaker 16: united around one thing, and that is celebrating I hate
26:41
Speaker 16: to say to you the death of a healthcare CEO,
26:44
Speaker 16: you have to ask why they're celebrating because it feels
26:47
Speaker 16: like a victory. It feels like somebody stood up to
26:49
Speaker 16: this barbaric, evil, cruel, violent system.
26:55
Speaker 2: Jeremy Sean Spice and the first White House spokesman of
26:58
Speaker 2: President Donald Trump. Sure spikes. Great to see you again. Look,
27:03
Speaker 2: we've already seen the lift demonised Donald Trump for it
27:06
Speaker 2: is so bad that it's absolutely no wonder there were
27:10
Speaker 2: two assassination attempts on him during the recent campaign, and
27:14
Speaker 2: now the glorifying of this murder of a health executive.
27:19
Speaker 2: What's going on?
27:22
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, I think that it's interesting. Well, obviously,
27:27
Speaker 3: this particular case in New York is unfolding as we speak.
27:30
Speaker 3: We'll find out a lot more about the individual. But
27:33
Speaker 3: I'm particularly intrigued that for all that I mentioned this
27:36
Speaker 3: last week to you, that for all the concern that
27:38
Speaker 3: we have from the left about guns in this country,
27:41
Speaker 3: they just let off Hunter Biden off on a gun
27:43
Speaker 3: charge without a peep lack of concern of President Trump.
27:48
Speaker 17: You know.
27:48
Speaker 3: The hypocrisy on the left is something that I've always
27:51
Speaker 3: taken note of, and I think it's exemplified in what
27:54
Speaker 3: they say and what they don't and when they.
27:55
Speaker 2: Do about Donald Trump. He was at the reopening, Sean.
28:01
Speaker 2: I was just absolutely stunned by the pictures I saw
28:03
Speaker 2: because it was such a contrast to me. I'm interested
28:06
Speaker 2: in your opinion. He was at the reopening of the
28:09
Speaker 2: Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris that got burned obviously five
28:13
Speaker 2: years ago on the weekend, and it was astonishing to
28:16
Speaker 2: me the welcome that he got there and by the
28:19
Speaker 2: way that he also gave to the Ukrainian president. That's interesting,
28:23
Speaker 2: but lots of warmth. There were smiles, handshakes, hands on
28:26
Speaker 2: his back, including from Prince William, smiles, even from Joe
28:30
Speaker 2: Budden's wife. This is a very different reception from the
28:35
Speaker 2: first time that he was president. What say you?
28:39
Speaker 17: It is?
28:40
Speaker 3: And I loved watching this because if you closed your
28:43
Speaker 3: eyes and fell asleep and woke up and saw some
28:46
Speaker 3: of these image you would think he was president right now.
28:49
Speaker 3: The reception that President mccroan rolled out for him is
28:52
Speaker 3: one that a sitting president would get. You forget, not
28:55
Speaker 3: just because of how Donald Trump is being received, but
28:58
Speaker 3: the lack of Joe Biden being on the stage that
29:01
Speaker 3: he's still president. And it's something that was noted here
29:04
Speaker 3: in the States. This is an event, by the way, Andrew,
29:08
Speaker 3: that Joe Biden normally would have killed the go for
29:10
Speaker 3: it right, he's you know, he says he's a Catholic.
29:15
Speaker 17: This is a world stage of world leaders.
29:17
Speaker 3: This is sort of like writing Joe Biden's wheelhouse, and
29:20
Speaker 3: instead it was the first lady who went.
29:22
Speaker 17: You have to wonder why, And I.
29:24
Speaker 3: Think it's partly because I just wonder if he's still
29:26
Speaker 3: up to the job. Frankly, but you're right, the reception
29:29
Speaker 3: that Donald Trump got was very different, and I think
29:31
Speaker 3: it's because the world leaders last time took it as
29:34
Speaker 3: a fluke. We don't know where this guy came from.
29:36
Speaker 3: Now they know that the American people have spoken loud
29:39
Speaker 3: and clear. So if I were a world leader, I'd
29:41
Speaker 3: be doing a lot of sucking up.
29:43
Speaker 17: And I get why they're doing it.
29:45
Speaker 3: I think they're very, very concerned about how he's going
29:47
Speaker 3: to treat them going forward.
29:51
Speaker 2: I think there's also going back to the first part
29:53
Speaker 2: of your answer, there has shown a sort of relief
29:56
Speaker 2: that there's someone in charge that they can deal with,
29:58
Speaker 2: that America has got a firm hand on the tiller
30:02
Speaker 2: coming along. But it's such a it's also you know,
30:06
Speaker 2: the first time he was there, you would remember this
30:08
Speaker 2: very well. For instance, the famous photograph of then Chancellor
30:13
Speaker 2: of Germany, Angela Mercle leaning over him like he was
30:17
Speaker 2: a counsel. Tran's student giving a lecture all these other
30:21
Speaker 2: leaders joining her. There seems to be now a respect
30:26
Speaker 2: which he could well have done with in the first term,
30:28
Speaker 2: but seems to me to promise some real action in
30:34
Speaker 2: this second term.
30:35
Speaker 3: I would be I would clear your calendar for the
30:38
Speaker 3: afternoon of January twentieth. Donald Trump is coming back to
30:41
Speaker 3: office with a vengeance. He's had four years to understand
30:44
Speaker 3: the people, the process, and the policies that are going
30:47
Speaker 3: to drive the next four years. I think that these
30:49
Speaker 3: world leaders and initially kind of thought that Donald Trump
30:52
Speaker 3: was a fluke in twenty sixteen, and we're going to
30:54
Speaker 3: lecture him about how the world works. And after Donald
30:57
Speaker 3: Trump frankly learned the system, if you will, I think
31:01
Speaker 3: they're very concerned about him coming back in office because
31:04
Speaker 3: he knows exactly the buttons to push, when to push them,
31:07
Speaker 3: and how to push them. And he's not going to
31:09
Speaker 3: have a bunch of people to put the brakes on this.
31:11
Speaker 3: He's surrounding himself with people who understand that they're coming
31:14
Speaker 3: back into this administration.
31:16
Speaker 17: To implement his policies.
31:18
Speaker 3: And I think like it frightens some of the folks
31:21
Speaker 3: in the left at in this country.
31:23
Speaker 17: I think for some of these world leaders, especially NATO countries.
31:26
Speaker 3: That have been getting away with not paying their obligations
31:30
Speaker 3: under the Article five treaties that they've obliged themselves to.
31:34
Speaker 3: They're worried that Donald Trump is going to enact stiff
31:37
Speaker 3: penalties off the bat in various ways, whether it's trade
31:41
Speaker 3: or other means. And I think that they know that
31:43
Speaker 3: they want to curry favor as quick as possible.
31:45
Speaker 17: He's not kidding this time around.
31:47
Speaker 3: He knows he's got four years and he's going to
31:49
Speaker 3: play with every second that he's got.
31:52
Speaker 2: But there's one thing though, Siria, right, You've had the
31:58
Speaker 2: full of the dictator that has fled to Russia. The
32:02
Speaker 2: opening of his prisons, saw stories of the torture of prisoners.
32:07
Speaker 2: You see the explosion of joy that this butcher who
32:11
Speaker 2: used chemical gas against his own people. You see the
32:14
Speaker 2: explosion of joy that is gone. I reckon this creates
32:18
Speaker 2: a problem for Tulsey Gabbard, who is Donald Trump's nominee
32:21
Speaker 2: for Director of National Intelligence. She has in the past
32:25
Speaker 2: suggested that ah Well, Siria is not an enemy of America,
32:29
Speaker 2: suggested she even wasn't sure that the dictator Basha al
32:35
Speaker 2: Assad was a war criminal.
32:38
Speaker 18: As I have said before, if there is evidence that
32:40
Speaker 18: he has committed war crimes, he should be prosecuted as such.
32:43
Speaker 5: But you're not sure.
32:44
Speaker 18: Now, Everything that I have said requires that we take
32:48
Speaker 18: action based on evidence.
32:50
Speaker 2: Given these statements of hers, does that make her a
32:56
Speaker 2: problem for Donald Trump? Her nomination? Will he go through
33:00
Speaker 2: the Senate? Given that she seems to have been so
33:02
Speaker 2: wrong in Syria.
33:05
Speaker 3: I think she actually probably caught a break Andrew by
33:07
Speaker 3: aside being you know, fleeing the country, there's a lot
33:11
Speaker 3: less concern about him being there and how we would
33:14
Speaker 3: deal with.
33:14
Speaker 6: Him, et cetera.
33:15
Speaker 3: So she may have actually caught a break on the
33:17
Speaker 3: timing of that. She's going to have to answer for
33:21
Speaker 3: her comments and her policies when she meets with these senators.
33:28
Speaker 3: I think that's something they're going to press her on.
33:29
Speaker 3: But I've said this before, and I just want to
33:31
Speaker 3: make sure people understand. She is a military officer here
33:35
Speaker 3: in the United States, and by virtue of that, maintains
33:38
Speaker 3: a minimum secret and from what I understand, a top
33:42
Speaker 3: secret clearance. So any conversations or concerns that she had
33:47
Speaker 3: by others have been I should have been at least
33:51
Speaker 3: rectified by our security clearance process. So if there was
33:55
Speaker 3: grave concern about interactions that she's had or positions that.
33:59
Speaker 17: She harbors, those usually get flushed out in that process.
34:02
Speaker 17: So I would just argue that that there's a little
34:05
Speaker 17: bit of.
34:07
Speaker 3: Preclearance that's been done by the very virtue of her
34:09
Speaker 3: serving in the military at the level that she has,
34:14
Speaker 3: I would hope.
34:15
Speaker 2: So although her softness on Putin two has been a concern,
34:18
Speaker 2: so we shall see all this all plays out. Sean,
34:22
Speaker 2: It's been fantastic have you on the show this year.
34:24
Speaker 2: This is our last time together. I really appreciate the
34:28
Speaker 2: insights you've brought and what a right it's been with
34:30
Speaker 2: this election of Donald Trump. So thank you so much
34:34
Speaker 2: for all you've done for us, for the viewers, and
34:38
Speaker 2: good luck to you with the have a happy Christmas.
34:41
Speaker 3: In new year, I will thank you you too as well.
34:44
Speaker 3: It's always a pleasure to be with you and the
34:46
Speaker 3: folks at Sky.
34:48
Speaker 2: After the break, Queensland's new premiere lets power go to
34:51
Speaker 2: his head. His gag is in piece of four years plus,
34:54
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton says, notifying three flags the panel. After this
35:02
Speaker 2: has power gone to the head of New Queensland Premier
35:04
Speaker 2: David Chris Fooley and why are so many liberals, even liberals,
35:09
Speaker 2: so scared of free speech? Christophool's run through Parliament a
35:13
Speaker 2: ban on any debate on Queensland's ab abortion laws, plus
35:17
Speaker 2: a ban on any change to those laws for the
35:20
Speaker 2: next four years. He's trying to shut up not just
35:23
Speaker 2: Catter's Australia Party, but his own party, just like Jeff
35:27
Speaker 2: Kenneth Disasterully tried to do in Victoria, gag his MPs
35:31
Speaker 2: when he was premier that back far and this may
35:34
Speaker 2: as well.
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Speaker 19: This motion today ends the disgraceful campaign. Queensland has said
35:42
Speaker 19: no to a US style scare campaign, Queenslanders said no
35:48
Speaker 19: to politicizing a sensitive issue, and Queensland has said no
35:52
Speaker 19: to the re election of a very bad labor government.
35:55
Speaker 8: The Premier is a weak and frightened man who does
35:58
Speaker 8: not want to hear thee of anyone that contradicts him,
36:03
Speaker 8: and that's why he's seeking to gag.
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Speaker 14: Not just members of the LMP, not just members.
36:08
Speaker 2: Of the ALP, He's seeking to gag every single member
36:11
Speaker 2: of the House. Join mister panel. Will Kingston, host of
36:15
Speaker 2: farat Will, a podcast from The Spectator on politics and culture,
36:19
Speaker 2: and Scoene, your host Anika to Georgio, Denika and James.
36:22
Speaker 2: Every Sunday at a PM. Will a premier banning his
36:26
Speaker 2: own party from even debating abortion for four years? What
36:31
Speaker 2: do you make of that?
36:34
Speaker 20: Well, Andrew, you know that no one is more frustrated
36:37
Speaker 20: with the inability of Australian Conservatives to argue for free
36:40
Speaker 20: speech than I am. But in this instance, I think
36:43
Speaker 20: the fault lies more with us than with the politicians,
36:47
Speaker 20: the media and the public. There may once have been
36:50
Speaker 20: a time where we were capable of having mature discussions
36:53
Speaker 20: on important issues as a society. I think that time
36:55
Speaker 20: has passed. Unfortunately, now, what would happen if he does
36:58
Speaker 20: open this up? The media would say that he is
37:01
Speaker 20: running a divided government, which is always a ridiculous notion
37:04
Speaker 20: when no one is when a whole party is never
37:06
Speaker 20: going to agree on everything. They would say he lacks vision,
37:11
Speaker 20: They would say that he is indecisive, and ultimately it
37:14
Speaker 20: would be a political liability for him. I'm, of course
37:17
Speaker 20: all for free speech, but I don't think we are
37:19
Speaker 20: enabling politicians to have nuanced discussions on issues like this,
37:23
Speaker 20: which is why the premier has done what he's done.
37:27
Speaker 2: I think there are other ways to shut de bait
37:29
Speaker 2: down without so obviously acting the little tyrant. But that's
37:34
Speaker 2: just me. I guess what do you think, Danika Well Andrew.
37:38
Speaker 7: Only a few weeks ago, Labour's misinformation bill was shut
37:41
Speaker 7: down because of the threat to free speech, and here
37:45
Speaker 7: we are with a liberal premier doing the exact same thing.
37:49
Speaker 7: I personally find this absolutely bizarre and unbelievable move because
37:54
Speaker 7: gagging debate on what is a divisive topic, it actually
37:58
Speaker 7: annoys everybody from both sides of politics, the left, those
38:01
Speaker 7: who agree with abortion all the way to those who
38:03
Speaker 7: value speech, free speech and value it in our democracy.
38:07
Speaker 7: You only see this sort of shut down of debate
38:09
Speaker 7: in places like communist China or other communist regimes. And
38:13
Speaker 7: let's not forget that Queensland's abortion laws are some of
38:16
Speaker 7: the more extreme.
38:17
Speaker 5: In the world.
38:18
Speaker 7: You can even get an abortion over twenty two weeks
38:21
Speaker 7: if it's approved by two medical practitioners.
38:23
Speaker 5: That's my understanding.
38:25
Speaker 7: But I just think, Andrew, there are a number of
38:28
Speaker 7: factors that lead women to make this decision, and I
38:30
Speaker 7: think that we need to have an open and honest
38:32
Speaker 7: debate on it.
38:33
Speaker 5: Whether you agree with it or you don't.
38:38
Speaker 2: And I just think it sounds to me he's either
38:39
Speaker 2: got an easy conscience or is scared that he doesn't
38:42
Speaker 2: have the numbers to restrain a debate. But I mean,
38:45
Speaker 2: that's democracy. I would have thought to another leader of
38:48
Speaker 2: federal officer, usually to Peter Dutton, he says, when or
38:52
Speaker 2: if he becomes Prime minis who won't fly three flags?
38:55
Speaker 2: Just the Australian one. It's you, right, Will Kingston, doesn't matter.
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Speaker 20: Does matter? And he is right. I was at an
39:03
Speaker 20: event at the Australian High Commission in London the other day,
39:06
Speaker 20: Andrew and there were three flags flying. You had Torris
39:09
Speaker 20: Straight Island flag on one side, you had the Australian
39:12
Speaker 20: flag on the other side, and you had the Indigenous
39:14
Speaker 20: flag in the middle. And it really irritated me. It
39:16
Speaker 20: was like the Australian flag was an afterthought. And I
39:20
Speaker 20: think Dodd has been very clever in dipping into these
39:23
Speaker 20: culture wars issues selectively but with intention. He's recognized that
39:27
Speaker 20: the winds have changed. He's recognized that people are sick
39:30
Speaker 20: of the welcomes to country, of the Australian days, squabbles,
39:33
Speaker 20: of the multiple flags that every possible identity group and
39:37
Speaker 20: they want to return to common sense and a bit
39:39
Speaker 20: of a good old fashioned patriotism. And the left in
39:42
Speaker 20: Australia and overseas actually haven't recognized that the winds have
39:45
Speaker 20: changed and it is starting to bite them at the
39:47
Speaker 20: ballot box.
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Speaker 2: No, you're lucky. I've been to Australia House when it's
39:52
Speaker 2: not only all those flags you mentioned, but there's the
39:55
Speaker 2: gay Pride flag. I think it might even be the
39:57
Speaker 2: trans flag. It's just fester outside every flag virtually but
40:02
Speaker 2: a couple of teddy Australian ones. Denika, what do you
40:06
Speaker 2: make of this debate?
40:07
Speaker 7: Yeah, you can't keep up with how many flags there
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Speaker 7: are these days.
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Speaker 5: Andrew.
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Speaker 7: Look, a couple of months ago, I was emceeing an
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Speaker 7: event and there was all this fuss about the Aboriginal
40:16
Speaker 7: flag which was behind me, simply because apparently it was
40:19
Speaker 7: upside down.
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Speaker 5: Never mind what the Australian flag looked like it was.
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Speaker 7: We must get this Aboriginal flag right otherwise somebody is
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Speaker 7: going to be upset and somebody is going to be offended.
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Speaker 7: And this is the notion that we've got in our
40:30
Speaker 7: society when it comes to welcome to countries flags. If
40:33
Speaker 7: we're not flying other flags or we're not doing the
40:35
Speaker 7: welcome to country. Oh we can't because you know it's
40:38
Speaker 7: going to upset someone, so we absolutely have to do it.
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Speaker 7: So good on Peter Dutton for taking a stand. And
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Speaker 7: I've got to say this is the Donald Trump effect, Andrew,
40:46
Speaker 7: because Donald Trump stood up against the woke and we're
40:49
Speaker 7: slowly seeing people pushing back and long may it continue.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I think it has the effect of saying to people,
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Speaker 2: why labor so hooked on all these minority issues and
41:04
Speaker 2: neglecting the big one. But we shall see. The Reserve
41:07
Speaker 2: Bank has given the premise a bit of hope that
41:09
Speaker 2: it's going to cut interest rates will just before the
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Speaker 2: next election. Could that save the government? When the Reserve
41:15
Speaker 2: Bank governor today pointed out just how much higher prices
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Speaker 2: have gone under alban Easy and she says they won't
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Speaker 2: come back here she is.
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Speaker 12: It's also important to note that prices are not going
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Speaker 12: back to where they were before this high inflation. The
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Speaker 12: high inflation over the past couple of years has permanently
41:33
Speaker 12: increased the price level. Fact, prices in September quarter twenty
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Speaker 12: four were sixteen percent higher than they were three years earlier.
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Speaker 2: So will will an interest rate cut in February March
41:45
Speaker 2: save the Albanizi government.
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Speaker 20: Not necessarily because voters aren't stupid, and they don't they
41:51
Speaker 20: have longer memories than goldfish. Andrew and I think it's
41:54
Speaker 20: a really good parallel with the US, where the American
41:58
Speaker 20: electorate had struggled for years with high inflation. Now, admittedly
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Speaker 20: inflation was going down by the time of the US election,
42:05
Speaker 20: but it was that pain over a long period that
42:07
Speaker 20: ultimately led to the downfall Biden and Harris, I think
42:10
Speaker 20: you'll say the same thing in Australia.
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Speaker 2: That's it absolutely spot on. Thank you very much to
42:16
Speaker 2: Nikkas Georgio and will Kingston see you next year after
42:19
Speaker 2: the break? Serious dictator has now gone so well, the
42:22
Speaker 2: merry millions and millions of Syrian refugees now go home?
42:26
Speaker 2: Can we make them so? Dictator Basher Alasadas fledged Syria
42:34
Speaker 2: new rules there are promising tolerance and the country's prisons
42:37
Speaker 2: have been open to three thousands of political prisoners. So
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Speaker 2: will the Syrian refugees in Europe now go home? Germany
42:44
Speaker 2: alone is almost a million of them. Britain took in
42:47
Speaker 2: forty thousand Syrians in a decade. Well, for now, Germany, Austria,
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Speaker 2: Britain and others just frozen any more assylum applications from
42:54
Speaker 2: Syrians joining me from London is colinists, author and broadcaster.
42:57
Speaker 2: It's the cracker. It's the great to see you. I thought.
43:01
Speaker 2: Refugees they just want a place to stay until it's
43:03
Speaker 2: safe to go home. So how many do you expect
43:06
Speaker 2: to actually go back to Syria?
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Speaker 4: Well, I would make a conservative guess of not even one.
43:13
Speaker 4: And the reason for that is because of international law.
43:16
Speaker 4: So legally, countries are not allowed to return refugees back
43:20
Speaker 4: to their countries if they even if they become safe.
43:22
Speaker 4: It's called a refoulment and it breaches international law. And
43:26
Speaker 4: the real crux of this issue is the fact that
43:28
Speaker 4: refugee status and asylums granting asylum status to individuals, it's
43:33
Speaker 4: given out too freely and too readily. The reason why
43:36
Speaker 4: a lot of refugees will go back to their countries
43:38
Speaker 4: even if they become safe, is because they will lose
43:40
Speaker 4: all benefits that they receive in their host countries. They're
43:42
Speaker 4: now countries which will either be Germany or the UK.
43:45
Speaker 4: Now what Germany did after receiving one point two million
43:48
Speaker 4: Syrian refugees at the beherse of Angler Merkel. Much of
43:51
Speaker 4: the sugar of much of her the electorate was they
43:54
Speaker 4: gave them visitor visas, and I think the UK should
43:57
Speaker 4: do something similar, having sort of temporary visit to visa
44:00
Speaker 4: so that when the countries they come from are deemed safe,
44:02
Speaker 4: like places like Ukraine for example, when the war ends,
44:04
Speaker 4: they can be returned without falling foul of international law,
44:07
Speaker 4: which is a complete headache and has the support of
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Speaker 4: an industrial charity complex with many highly paid, well paid
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Speaker 4: human rights lawyers at the like the likes.
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Speaker 1: Of Kiir Starmer.
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Speaker 4: It should be you know, a normal expectation to expect
44:20
Speaker 4: people to return back to their countries when they will
44:22
Speaker 4: come safe. But unfortunately, the way international law works and
44:25
Speaker 4: the way that you'll hear the media screaming racism, it's
44:27
Speaker 4: just not worth all the hassle. You just have to
44:29
Speaker 4: change the law, so you change the status with which
44:31
Speaker 4: these people come into these countries. And we have to
44:33
Speaker 4: remember that, you know, there are significant risks with absorbing
44:36
Speaker 4: huge populations of people on a permanent basis and it
44:40
Speaker 4: has you know, repercussions in terms of domestic politics. So
44:44
Speaker 4: for example, the Turks Turkey, you know, took in three
44:47
Speaker 4: million Syrian refugees and that's had a huge impact on
44:50
Speaker 4: sort of domestic populist politics. The Germans of course at
44:53
Speaker 4: one point two million.
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Speaker 1: The UK.
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Speaker 4: Now we have about thirty thousand left. I think about
44:57
Speaker 4: ten thousand of those that came have returned since twenty nineteen.
45:01
Speaker 4: But they do have some significant ramifications. We have to
45:05
Speaker 4: remember here in the UK. Since nineteen ninety eight, a
45:07
Speaker 4: quarter one in four of all people committed of terrorist
45:10
Speaker 4: offenses here in the UK are from a refugee background,
45:13
Speaker 4: many of them coming from place like Syria and North Africa.
45:15
Speaker 4: Remember the Manchester bombings of the Ariana Grande concert a
45:18
Speaker 4: few years ago. That was someone who was of Libyan heritage.
45:21
Speaker 4: He was a refugee. So there are national security threats
45:24
Speaker 4: of just absorbing such huge populations from these kinds of
45:28
Speaker 4: conflict with the regions in the world.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So this is the last time we're going to
45:34
Speaker 2: talk this year. I hope to see you back next
45:37
Speaker 2: year and I got to thank you for all your
45:39
Speaker 2: efforts here. Looking back over this year, how's Britain changed?
45:43
Speaker 2: I Mean I would have thought what you're talking about,
45:46
Speaker 2: the immigration issues become front and center. And that's one
45:49
Speaker 2: of the reasons that the previous Becauservian government got thrown
45:53
Speaker 2: out for because it promised to do something about the boarders.
45:56
Speaker 2: It failed got chucked out. How has Britain changed, Well,
46:01
Speaker 2: I can.
46:01
Speaker 4: Say that Britain is a tipping point and I think
46:04
Speaker 4: one of one of the instances this year that made
46:06
Speaker 4: that very clear with the Southport riot. I'm sure you
46:08
Speaker 4: remember the three girls that were brutally stabbed at the
46:11
Speaker 4: Taylor Swift dance class in Southport, North England, and this
46:14
Speaker 4: year and people had just had enough. You know, the
46:16
Speaker 4: riots became worldwide news because the government. Subsequent governments have
46:20
Speaker 4: just refused to listen to the UK population. You know,
46:23
Speaker 4: the Conservative government under David Cameron promise to bring immigration
46:26
Speaker 4: down to the tens of thousands.
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Speaker 1: He didn't.
46:28
Speaker 4: That led to Broxit, then Boris Johnson governments really just
46:30
Speaker 4: blew the doors open. And last in the last two
46:32
Speaker 4: years immigration figures have been revised upwards. So we've had
46:36
Speaker 4: basically almost two million people in the last two years.
46:39
Speaker 4: It's completely unsustainable. And kids Starman now his great reset
46:44
Speaker 4: speech last week, he didn't even mention immigration. He talked
46:47
Speaker 4: about you know, clean energy and the economy and all
46:51
Speaker 4: of this and didn't even mention the big elephant in
46:52
Speaker 4: the room. So Britain is at a breaking point and
46:55
Speaker 4: I think this is why you're saying a resurgence of
46:57
Speaker 4: you know, the likes of Niger Faraj and his Reform
46:59
Speaker 4: Party in the council elections next day. You're probably going
47:02
Speaker 4: to see a huge wave in Scotland and Wales for
47:04
Speaker 4: the Reform Party.
47:05
Speaker 1: But we have to wait until.
47:06
Speaker 4: Twenty twenty nine to really make the kind of change
47:09
Speaker 4: that's necessary in the country to stop this unsustainable wave
47:12
Speaker 4: of not only immigration but declining public services and you know,
47:16
Speaker 4: cultural issues as well. It's really quite significant and unfortunately
47:20
Speaker 4: we're going to be sort of the last in the
47:21
Speaker 4: world to have our trumping movement, if you will, just
47:25
Speaker 4: because of where our elections.
47:28
Speaker 2: Cant wait till you stand for election anyway, it's the
47:31
Speaker 2: correctly thank you so much to do for your time.
47:34
Speaker 2: Love to have had you this year. Thank you. One
47:37
Speaker 2: of thaying I've got bad news Rupert and Lachlan murder
47:40
Speaker 2: my bosses have lost their bit of change with school
47:42
Speaker 2: then irrevocable trust so that Lachlan stays the boss of
47:45
Speaker 2: this company in Fox Corps. Once Rupert is no longer
47:48
Speaker 2: with us, it's a change it so that Ruper's had
47:50
Speaker 2: the sun the very lift wing. James and daughter of
47:52
Speaker 2: Elizabeth and Prudence count vote Lachlan out that if irrevocable
47:58
Speaker 2: does affect mean irrevocable and it's bad for this reason.
48:01
Speaker 2: James is made clear that he doesn't like what Fox
48:04
Speaker 2: News does, doesn't like what people let me do here
48:06
Speaker 2: in Australia, like challenging global warming scare that's driving as broke.
48:11
Speaker 2: And if he takes over, can you imagine a world
48:13
Speaker 2: without the Murdoch media. Someone say hooray, but where's the
48:16
Speaker 2: debate gone? Without a debate, you don't have people saying
48:20
Speaker 2: but wait a minute, you might be wrong whichever side
48:22
Speaker 2: it is. And I just think if this becomes like
48:26
Speaker 2: a CNN boy, oh boy, oh boy, you will be
48:30
Speaker 2: the loser. So fingers crossed that we have better news
48:33
Speaker 2: from that. It's going to appeal and let's hope it wins.
48:36
Speaker 2: And after all, no Murdock, no me anyway, that's it
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Speaker 2: from me. Coming up next Shary markson good note