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Football at Four: Taking an Overview of 1st Eagles Joint Practice · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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Jeff Moscher joins us with the latest on the Eagles
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day one of the joint practices, and already we got
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somebody injured.
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Speaker 2: The good news is it's not an Eagles quarterback.
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Speaker 1: It's the Browns quarterback Doris Sanders has an oblique injury.
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But the good news is, Jeff Moscher he had a
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nice long conversation on the sidelines with Jillen Hurts, so
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at least got something I'd say's practice.
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Speaker 3: How you doing, Jeff, I'm good, I'm good, And you
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know that's it's interesting you bring that up. I just
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actually finished writing a story that will be up on
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Philly Voice, not so much about the conversation, but more
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about Jillen Hurts talking about it after he didn't talk
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about what he said, but just being a willing advice
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giver and someone who I think you know, I don't
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know as I wrote the story, how many other players
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can share the kind of experience of being benched in
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a National championship game, going somewhere else, becoming a second
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round pick, then having to fight your way on to
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becoming a starter, then being as successful as he has
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as in capping it off with a Super Bowl and
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a Super Bowl MVP, all within about what are we
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talked about here a seven year span since the benching.
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So it's really strikes me as if I was a
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young quarterback who likes Shador Sanders is going to have
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to fight tooth and nail for every opportunity, which he
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probably wasn't expecting going into the draft. To be honest,
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I think Jalen Hurts will be a very interesting resource.
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So good on Jalen, by the way, who said it's
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not necessarily like an obligation that he feels. It's just
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that he's true to himself. If someone's gonna come up
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and give ask for his time, he will volunteer that
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time because he's got a good story to tell.
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Speaker 1: He's also got probably some great stories about what it's
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like to have eleven different coordinators in a ten year
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period talking about your ear.
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Speaker 2: So, I mean that can always be a pun.
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Speaker 1: Be like, Yo, Shodor can tell him about how rough
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it is and be like you haven't had ten different
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coordinators in your.
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Speaker 4: Ear, Like yeah, I mean you would think.
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Speaker 3: I'm sure that didn't come up, but it'd be funny if
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it did. It would be like, let's you've got to
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crawl before you walk. So I'm like, you gotta worry
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about making a fifty three outlasting four other quarterbacks off
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the roster right now. Uh, and then you can worry
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about whether or not you're gonna have a lot of
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you know, offensive coordinators.
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Speaker 4: You know, you have to prove that you deserve a
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lot of offensive coordinators. First.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, well, Jeff.
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Speaker 1: I thought today's joint practice, some of the details that
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came out, they were very interesting. Because your latest Inside
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the Numbers you guys did with the Inside the Bird's podcast,
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you guys talk about the cornerback position and we got
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to see a little bit jackorean Bennett on the field
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at joined practice today, and I want to give out
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the whole thing that you and Sam talked about. I
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want people to go watch it and consume it because
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those charts are absolutely fascinating that you guys got the
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breakdown there. But I did think it was interesting because
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I think you kind of got an idea of visually
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at joint practice a little bit of what you guys
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talked about with the Inside the Bird's podcast, Jeff, which
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is Jacorean Bennett. He's starting to look more and more
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like he really is the best option at that number
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two corner spot.
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Speaker 3: We'll see, we'll stay what I like about what Sam
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Finkel did on Inside the.
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Speaker 4: Data, Josh, and thanks for bringing that up, was a
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really good episode.
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Speaker 3: The charts are interesting because what he did was compare
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Jakoreyan Bennett's snap so far and how they measured up
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not only against Kille Ringos snaps from last year and
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and that Dori Jackson snaps from last year, but even
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guys like Isaiah Rodgers and I think Darius Slay was
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also on that. So you get an idea because it's
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hard to take it's hard to take Killer Ringo and
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make any kind of analytical comp because he only played
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one hundred or something snaps last year, so there's not
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a sample size. So if you give up one touchdown
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or two touchdowns, your numbers are going to be very skewed.
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Speaker 4: Because he played so few snaps.
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Speaker 3: But I think his Bennett's snaps last year were comparable
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at Isaiah Rodgers is. So you got to see, all right,
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when a guy plays as much as Bennett and a
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guy was pretty decent last year, like Rogers was, how
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does that compare to Bennett?
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Speaker 4: And there were some really good comps.
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Speaker 3: And to your point, it's certainly the analytics, which only
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tell a half a story, let's be fair. They certainly
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suggest that he should be in the mix with Adri
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Jackson and Killer Ringo. I don't know if they suggest
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he should definitively start, but I think what it tells
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you is that this should be a three horse race
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and then let Vic decide based on this year's evidence,
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who is playing at the best at that position.
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Speaker 1: When you think about this cornerback situation, Jeff, I think
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it's also you know, the factor that goes into it
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is Bennett is still learning Fanjo's defense, right, That's part
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of this conversation as well. And you know, when you
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we know that Fanjo has been very shall we call
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it brutally artist about you know, you're not getting on
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the field of you don't and actually know the defense.
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So you know, I'm not going to put the car
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before the horse because Bennett may be the best, but
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is he going to be up to speed for week
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one of the season.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: You know something Adam and I talked about on Inside
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the Birds podcast that dropped this morning is that we
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sort of get too often tied into who's the starter
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week one, who's performing the best in training camp. But
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if we learned anything from last year, it's that Vic
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is not afraid to, you know, switch things up in
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the middle of camp or in the middle of the
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season when guys have enough time and enough reps. And
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Cooper to Gene is a perfect example, right, He got
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a late start at practice, so by the time he
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got in they didn't feel he was ready, but they
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felt he was ready by week six or was it yeah,
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week six five?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because week five.
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Speaker 3: And you saw the difference that he made as soon
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as they put him in the slot. And at the
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same time, at this time last year, right around this time,
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I think Cooper is just getting back to practice. That
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that meant Quinjon Mitchell had been playing the nickel position
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all throughout OTAs and all throughout the first two weeks
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of camp, and it almost seemed like the year was
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going to start with Quinyon in the slot and with
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Isaiah Rogers on the outside uh opposite Darius Slay because
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Isaiah Rodgers was really pulling away from Killer Ringo. But
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all of a sudden, maybe you know, two three weeks
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in the camp, Quinyon went to the outside, Isaiah Rodgers
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became a backup. They started getting Cooper to gen Reps
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at the nickel spot, and and that change for QUINNYA.
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Speaker 4: Mitchell.
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Speaker 3: He was allowed to learn the outside and figure it
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out and understand it and really thrive despite not being.
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Speaker 4: There the entire time.
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Speaker 3: So, in terms of what you're saying now, Josh, yeah,
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Jakoorian Bennett may not right now be the best option
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to start outside corner because he's learning the defense. They
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have the match carried delivered principles that he's got to
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get familiar with that are not easy. But who's to
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say by week two, Week three, week four that if
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Jakorian Bennett makes the team, he's not the starting outside corner.
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Speaker 2: Josh Annie Philliam for Mike gill on a Wednesday.
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Speaker 1: Overall, Jeff, is not just that corner spot that's in
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the conversation and the Fangio defense is all so safety
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if Angelo himself has been very honest about Hey, you
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know Sidney Brown, he was injured last year. He did
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not really know the defense last year. This is Brown's
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literally his first opportunity to learn learn the defense. And today,
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for example, Brown ran with a lot of the first team.
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Drew mccouba ran with the second team a lot at
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the joint practice today, and it started to look more
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and more Jeff like, you know, and I'm not dre up,
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but again not trying to jump too far ahead, but
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it's starting to look like that Sidney Brown might be
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getting closer to being in the driver's seat.
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Speaker 2: For that safety spot.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm far from that, you know.
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Speaker 3: I think just like we're talking about, I think that
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that as long as Andrew mccouba stays healthy and now
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has two or three weeks to re establish himself.
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Speaker 4: This is a guy that drafted in the second round.
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Speaker 3: They want him to start, and not only that, but
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it sure looks like they want Cooper to Gen to
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be the base safety, which means that and then listen,
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they play nickels eighty percent of the time, right, so
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it's still going to be Cooper to Gene in the
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slot most times, but just by him being the safety
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in base just takes some mileage off of a guy
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like Mcooba, who you know, the big concern was him
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was his size, his frame, right. I know he's put
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some weight on, but it's still not it's it's still
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a smaller frame compared to like Sidney Brown or Reblanket Chip.
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So it's defense and he thrives in it and does well.
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Makuba over the next few weeks, I think that he's
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the guy that's in the driver se because he's the
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one that they drafted around and has the versatility that
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Vic looks for. Doesn't mean Sidney Brown can't be used
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or it doesn't mean he can't win. And you know,
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there's always again the idea that maybe maybe that he's
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a nickel instead of a safety. Right, because he has
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that versatility, and then you're playing Cooper to gene More
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at safety. I mean these are I'm just not married
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right now to any one formation scheme, personnel grouping because
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of what we witnessed last year where things can change.
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Speaker 4: On a dime.
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Speaker 1: Well that it's interesting you mentioned, by the way, Yeah,
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well no, that's another formation. Yeah right, I mean obviously
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you just mentioned diming. You can about a quarters defense.
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You can have all the safeties out there, you know,
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all they're just lined up across the back of the defense.
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Speaker 3: You could certainly go play big nickel and get all
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three safeties on the field.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely.
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Speaker 1: But with that being said, so you're talking about mccob,
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I want to backtrack to that for a minute, because
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you're talking about him being so you're saying that, you
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know that video that was out there, Fangio being like
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over the mountain tops happy they drafted Mtoba, Like that
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wasn't just a coach having a moment. Like you're saying
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that a guy like Fangio and the Eagles look at
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him as like, this is going to be our starter.
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It might not be Week one, but we want this
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guy to be our starter at.
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Speaker 3: Safety or when you draft somebody in the second round,
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your your vision of that person is to eventually be
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a starter. Now, sometimes it's not right away because you
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have a like when they draft Cam Jurgens and they
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have Jason Kelcey.
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Speaker 4: Right, it just ain't happen when you draft Land and.
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Speaker 3: Dickerson, but you've already got Brandon Brooks and Isaac sam Malo.
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The only reason Dickerson played right was because both of
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those guys wound up getting.
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Speaker 4: Hurt that year. Safety is a different story.
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Speaker 3: You're not really being blocked by anybody because Sidney Brown
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is a third round pick in his third year and
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you're a second round pick as a rookie. So I
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do think Vick was very happy. It's how he's called ultimately,
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how he drafted Sidney Brown. And this is a guy who,
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again who's versatility and his experience and in college defenses
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is a fit for what Fangiel likes to do. It
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doesn't mean he's won it, it doesn't mean deep inside
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he's rooting for mccouba. I just think deep inside Vic
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knows that this is the better skill set for the
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defense he wants to run. And so if that guy
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is coming along at an acceptable pace. That guy is
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going to be the one to play.
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Speaker 1: You just mentioned the offensive line, Jeff's flip over there,
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because that's an interesting conversation. They asked Kevin Botulo this
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morning at the presser about hey, you know, no Dickerson,
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you guys are putting Brett toath out there. And I
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thought what was interesting about his answer was they didn't
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talk about toasts physical ability, his size, his strength. It
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was about his intelligence, about how he understands what his
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role is on the offensive line. I thought that was
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a very interesting distinction because on a line, Jeff, as
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you know, full of a bunch of massive human beings, right,
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a bunch of physically powerful, dominant beings like Maya Alatta
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and Lane Johnson. And when he starts Dickerson, even Tyler
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Steen in his own right, it's a big dude.
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Speaker 2: Brett told there was no like, oh yeah, he fits
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the mold.
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Speaker 1: It was no, no, no, this guy's got the intelligence
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and knowledge know what to do if we ask him
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to do it.
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Speaker 3: Yes, this is a really interesting one, Josh. I know
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that we all abide by in Stellton. We trust Mantra
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and that's fine. I mean, and this could be another
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This would be an even bigger.
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Speaker 4: Stelton surprise in Makai Beckton. At least Makai Beckton was a.
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Speaker 3: First round pick and my massive human being and needed
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to get his weight and conditioning under control, which he
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did and that helped him, you know, stay healthy. But
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it wasn't a sort of question about whether or not
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he's an NFL player. Brett Toath is in his seventh year,
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and I get that he's somewhat.
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Speaker 4: Of the teacher's pett he's always back.
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Speaker 3: But he's only played like a handful of NFL games
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in seven years.
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Speaker 4: And meanwhile, you got Matt Pryor right.
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Speaker 3: Who's played a whole lot more of NFL games and
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has played a whole lot of positions, left guard, right guard.
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Speaker 4: Left tackle, right tackle.
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Speaker 3: You got Darien Kinard, a guy they kept last year
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on the fifty three who could play.
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Speaker 4: Guard and tackle and they like I know they like him.
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Part of me wonders, is this a little bit of
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a song and.
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Speaker 3: Dance right now going on with Brett Toatha left guard
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and eventually you'll see either Canard or Prior settle in there.
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Or is Jeff Stoutlin really thinking that Brett Toath will
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not only make this fifty three, but be the starting
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left guard on the season opener if Dickerson isn't back,
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or the first guy off the bench a left guard.
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If Dickerson, you know, hobbles off or anyone hobbles off,
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I'm struggling with it. Josh, you know, we all should
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give Jeff Stoutlin the benefit of the doubt this one, though,
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unlike Beckton, I got to kind of squint to see it.
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I really think that their best their best grouping based
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on just experience, and I guess the eye test would
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be to put Tyler Stein at left guard because he
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had to play there a bunch of times last year,
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coming in right, and then play either Prior or Canard
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at right guard because that's where those guys are more
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comfortable in their careers on the right side, and that's
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where they've been all throughout camp.
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Speaker 4: But right now with Brett Toath the left guard until we.
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Speaker 3: See otherwise, it would not surprise me if that changed
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pretty soon, maybe even after the second preseason game, if
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not before this Saturday's preseason game.
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Speaker 4: But if not, let's talk about this next week.
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Speaker 3: I mean, if Brett Toath is still the left guard
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at this time next week, I think it's worthy of
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a discussion that we'll have about what he brings from
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an intelligence standpoint and experience standpoint, because right now I'm
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just a little skeptical.
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Speaker 2: I think we should all be skeptical. I mean you
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mentioned Matt Pryor, Like.
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Speaker 1: That's a guy who's got a plethora of experience compared
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to Toath. I just the whole thing always perplexed me about,
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like the whole why do they love Brett Toast so much?
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Like you men didn't these the teacher's pet. It's like,
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what what don't I and everybody know about Brett Toath?
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Like I don't get it at all.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Matt Pryor, Josh has played ninety two
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games and started thirty nine of them. And the one
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thing I felt just watching camp practices Josh, I thought
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he looked a little in better shape than his first
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time around with the Eagles, looked a little stronger, And
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you know, he had a really good seal block on
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that thirty eight yard will Shipley run. I know, Tyler
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Steen gets a lot of credit because the linebacker's flowing downhill.
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Speaker 4: And Steen pivots to block him out.
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Speaker 3: But the edge defender is Miles Murphy, a first round pick,
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and prior had him so walled off that it helped
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create that really big canyon so that when the linebacker
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is blocked and the edges blocked, Shipley had you know,
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the Amazon River to go run through there or the
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Autobot Highway.
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Speaker 4: It was just a enormous amount of space.
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Speaker 3: And that was part of to me, a continuation of
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Matt Pryor really looking like an improved lineman this time around.
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So that's where the whole make it make sense thing
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comes to me, because this is a guy who's getting better,
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started a ton of games, and you're.
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Speaker 4: Playing Brett toe to thet left guard. So you know,
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we'll see.
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Speaker 3: Like I said, I think this is worthy of a
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little bit of skepticism, and then we'll see a week
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from now if things are are not different or changed,
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and we'll have a discussion about Brett toathmore.
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Speaker 2: I called them one.
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Speaker 1: If I let Jeff Buscher go here on Football at
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four powered by the Inside the Birds Podcast, Jeff, the
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Eagles be the announcement just before you popped on with
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us that going into the Eagles Hall of Fame will
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be a guy that you're familiar with, Malcolm Jenkins. I
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just wanted to get your thoughts on Malcolm getting the
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nod for the Eagles Hall of Fame, a guy that
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you've covered for many years in your professional career.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: And I think what you're alluding to, and maybe some
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people don't even realize, is that I started off my
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sports writing career at a small paper in Central Jersey
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called The Courier News, one of the Gannett papers in
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New Jersey, and one of our high schools that we
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covered was Piscataway High School. And the years I covered
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Piscataway High School, they had three NFL first round picks
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on their team and they won four straight sectional champion
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we call them state champions, are really sectional titles.
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Speaker 4: Malcolm was one of those three. The others were Kyle Wilson.
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Speaker 3: The cornerback from Boise State went to the Jets, and
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Anthony Davis, the offensive tackle who played for the forty
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nine ers.
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Speaker 4: So clearly, Malcolm was an amazing player.
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Speaker 3: He was an amazing human being, really smart, head on
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his shoulders, talked to him a decent amount of times
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all the way back in high school. Had a good career,
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with the Saints, then came to the Eagles, And the
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one thing I want to impart on people that they
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may have forgotten is that when Malcolm Jenkins got to
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the Eagles in was it twenty sixteen, I want to
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say two thousand, yeah, form Starry fourteen fourteen, they already
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had an established player who was a veteran leader on defense.
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His name was Demiko Ryans Mufasa, and Tamiko got hurt
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again that year, right, and that's that's I think his
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achilles tear that he had with the Eagles, which he
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had had previously in his career, I think with the Texans.
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Speaker 2: Texans.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but either way, that forced Malcolm into a very unfamiliar,
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well I would say, atypical role, which is becoming a
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leader on a team that you're really new to. Of course,
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he was a good player, It's not like he was
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an eleven time Pro Bowl player at that point, but
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he naturally took over leadership in that locker room despite
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the fact that he was a relatively new player.
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Speaker 4: I mean, I think he endured to a lot of
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folks in.
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Speaker 3: That time, where you know, the Eagles signed to Marco
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Murray from the Cowboys and Murray was really not practicing
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very much at at training camp, and Malcolm went and
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grabbed a folding chair one day. And this is the
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twenty fifteen right, so this is malcolm second year in
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Eagles and he puts the folding chair right.
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Speaker 4: Out on the field.
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Speaker 3: It's a little bit of a joke, like, you know,
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take a seat, but also a little bit of a
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message like you're a former cowboy, You're an Eagle now, Like,
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don't act like a spoiled, entitled former cowboy.
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Speaker 4: We do it differently around here.
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Speaker 3: And I think that that definitely caught some more teammates attention,
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and it was just sort of the the acclamation of
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him becoming a culture changer for the Eagles, a trans
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a franchise transformer for the Eagles, and obviously a Super
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Bowl cheat Eagles who was a big part of their
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ability to lose Carson Wentz go to Nick Falls and
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still maintain a high standard and win.
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Speaker 2: It all absolutely.
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Speaker 1: And you know, I remember, you know, Malcolm was also
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the guy who was the rallying cry it's not forgetting
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twenty seventeen. You know, when Carson Wentz went down, and
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he was the guy who you know, started they you know,
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we're all we got, were all we need mantra, and
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that was a big part of their run because you
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could argue, if it was for the leadership on the
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twenty seventeen to that team could have easily fallen apart.
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Speaker 4: Jeff, Yeah, they could have that, you know.
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Speaker 3: And again, so he's had to step into leadership roles
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of different varieties. At that point, he was already established one,
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but he had to be the louder voice, the voice
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of reason. I've spoken to a lot of people from
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that team, and you know, despite what they said publicly,
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inside that they were crumbling when Carson went down, and
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a lot of them thought that the dream was dead.
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And maybe Malcolm did inside you know, only he could
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answer that, but he certainly didn't act like it, he
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didn't speak like it, and he helped lead that team.
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I will always remember Malcolm, I think it was in
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the post super Bowl press conference or maybe the day
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after or whatever, saying he knew the Eagles were gonna
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win the Super Bowl when the Patriots came running out
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of the tunnel to crazy train and the Eagles came
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out to dreams and nightmares.
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Speaker 2: Just to heal it, love.
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Speaker 1: It Jeff before I let you go more more of
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a little bit of a fun one.
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Speaker 2: So I got to ask you this. So, uh, there
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was a picture caught of two.
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Speaker 1: People at practice at the joint practice today, and I
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gotta know from you, what do you think is being
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said between Howie Roseman the Eagles GM and the owner
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of the Browns, Jimmy Haslam in this in this skitter
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course at practice, and we talk about people from completely
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different worlds having a conversation here.
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Speaker 3: All right, I'm gonna caption this, all right, this will
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win the caption of the day. It is from how
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we quote Jimmy having five quarterbacks does not make you
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a quarterback factory.
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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it's so true. See my my joke
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earlier was, uh, we had we had any mcberry who
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covers the Browns in the last hour. And my joke
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was that you know, you know, Miles Garrett asked for
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two Super Bowl winning quarterbacks and you gave him Joe
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Flacco and Kenny Pickett, like good one.
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Speaker 4: That's not bad either, That's not give me.
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Speaker 3: The comment is Jimmy saying, hey, we have more super
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Bowl winning quarterbacks than you do.
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Speaker 4: Got two.
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Speaker 2: By the way, both Super Bowl winning quarterbacks from South Jersey.
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Speaker 4: By the way, that is correct. That is correct. Wait,
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how many South Jersey quarterbacks were in.
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Speaker 3: This practice because you gotta throw mccon McCord in there
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as well.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was in the practice too. Three.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, unbelievable. What's that South Jersey represents.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, South Jersey representative joint practice today for better, for better,
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for worse.
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Speaker 4: Todd Campbell in there. It makes it a lot better too,
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So that's good.
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Speaker 2: That's definitely an upgrade as well. He's Jeff Moscher at
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Jeff P.
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Speaker 1: Mosher on the Twitter x platform, Inside the Birds, Inside
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the Birds podcast, and of course Philly Voice when you
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catch all of his coverage of the Eagle well over there, Jeff,
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great stuff today.
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Speaker 2: Appreciate you jumping on. We'll talk soon, all right, brother,
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Thanks for you good