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Huddle Up Podcast: Wednesday, February 23 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: This is the Huddle Up Podcast with JP Shadrick, Bucky Brooks,
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Speaker 1: and John Osher. The Huddle Up Podcast starts right now.
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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Huddle Up Podcast. Today is Wednesday, February
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Speaker 1: twenty three. J. P. Shadrick with Jaguars dot Com senior
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Speaker 1: writer John Osier, NFL Network analyst Bucky Brooks, and here
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Speaker 1: we are the week before the NFL Scouting Combine. Uh,
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Speaker 1: Bucky is good to see it, man, it's been a
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Speaker 1: couple of weeks. What's up? It has been a couple
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Speaker 1: of weeks. I miss you guys. I'm excited to talk
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Speaker 1: about the draft. Like Nodawo is kicked off, is officially
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Speaker 1: in the books. With the Rams winning, I'm excited. We
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Speaker 1: can start thinking about me undefeated. We're all undefeated again,
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Speaker 1: so we're good. JP. Here's how I know that it's
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Speaker 1: between weeks, not quite as high profile a week because
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Speaker 1: you introduced me first. It was it was John Osier first.
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Speaker 1: This you can Bucky Brooks second week when we're at
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Speaker 1: the combine, it'll be Bucky show again. So I'm going
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Speaker 1: to enjoy the moment. But you better take a photograph
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Speaker 1: of that marquee because it doesn't happen too often. I'll
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Speaker 1: say that, Bucky, you just came off big game on
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Speaker 1: NFL network the HBCU Legacy Bowl Yulman Stadium, New Orleans
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Speaker 1: on the campus of Tulane University. Nice barely new stadium
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Speaker 1: down there. How was the broadcast for you? So it
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Speaker 1: was cool? It was it was really cool. It was
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Speaker 1: like really a great week. Um. Obviously, Uh, the emphasis
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Speaker 1: in Nash Football League has really been putting the spotlight
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Speaker 1: on HBC use um and so that the NFL and
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Speaker 1: Doug Williams Shack Harris did a really good job of
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Speaker 1: putting together a nice event. Gave the players a tremendous
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Speaker 1: amount of exposure, but also coaches, coaches from all over
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Speaker 1: work um part of the staffs and so you're building
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Speaker 1: the bridge and the connectivity um between the coaches, the
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Speaker 1: players and NFL personnel. So it was it was a
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Speaker 1: great week. The game it was a little long, a
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Speaker 1: little lengthy, UM, not a lot of scoring, but it
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Speaker 1: was a good experience overall. Who's the best player you
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Speaker 1: think that came out of that week? Who who helped themselves?
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Speaker 1: A couple of guys a Quill Glass to quarterback from
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Speaker 1: Alabama and Muh, he has a chance. He might be
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Speaker 1: the first HBCU quarterback drafted since the far As Jackson
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Speaker 1: was a few years ago. I mean well not a
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Speaker 1: few years ago, long over a decade. Spent a minute. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and then uh, there's a kid to Shan Dixon pass
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Speaker 1: rusher from Norfolk State who has a chance to be drafted.
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Speaker 1: Long and uh make some plays. But uh, not only
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Speaker 1: in that game, but down in the Senior Bowl there
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Speaker 1: are a couple of guys from ABC US who have chances.
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Speaker 1: So I think your industry, I think you'll see an
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Speaker 1: HBCU player or two drafted this year. Um, but luck
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Speaker 1: has been tremendous exposure for the programs. I have a
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Speaker 1: question for the analyst, not to scout, but Bucky, the
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Speaker 1: analysts and you were around it, and I hope it's
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Speaker 1: some point to get there and kind of see it
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Speaker 1: for myself. But Bucky, where do you see and where
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Speaker 1: do the HBCU coaches leaders see this going? Because for
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Speaker 1: a long time it was marginalized in the sense that
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Speaker 1: these sort of events didn't exist and there was a
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Speaker 1: feeling that they were completely getting shut out. There was
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Speaker 1: only Division ones or fbs or But now with Dion
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Speaker 1: coming into it, the dynamics changing. But where do they
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Speaker 1: see this ending up and where does it want to be? Well, look,
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Speaker 1: I mean it's a lot of attention now with HBC
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Speaker 1: used because uh, I would give Dion Sanders a lot
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Speaker 1: of credit because he put a big spotlight um on
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Speaker 1: those programs down into Swack and then you know, but
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Speaker 1: what you also seeing is there's been an influx of
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Speaker 1: NFL players and former NFL coaches that are taken over
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Speaker 1: these programs. Eddie George at Tennessee State, Hugh Jackson, who
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Speaker 1: has been a two time coach in the NFL, that's
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Speaker 1: a head of Grambling, Reggie Barlow and Eddie Robinson former
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Speaker 1: Jaguars at Virginia State in Alabama State respectively. Bubba McDowell
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Speaker 1: just took over a Preview and m and so as
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Speaker 1: you get more former NFL players and prominent roles there, uh,
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Speaker 1: you're thinking that a recruiting will rise and if you
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Speaker 1: get better recruits in those programs, you can have more
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Speaker 1: eyeballs and more guys going to see them because you
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Speaker 1: can have a better product and better people players coming
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Speaker 1: out of those programs is the key. And is there
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Speaker 1: a thought that Eventually television money could really bump it
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Speaker 1: up at some point, like some sort of super conference
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Speaker 1: or something like that, because that's where it could really
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Speaker 1: make an incredible difference. Right. Yeah. The longer Dian Standards
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Speaker 1: stays and the more prominence and attention that he receives,
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Speaker 1: the more that they'll put eyeballs on. ESPN picked up
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Speaker 1: every one of their games last year. It started out
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Speaker 1: being on like ESPN three or ESPN Plus, and then
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Speaker 1: it made a way to es in two, and then
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Speaker 1: he has some ESPN games as he continues to bring in. Look,
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Speaker 1: he got the number one recruit in the land, uh
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Speaker 1: coming there. You got the number four receiver in the
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Speaker 1: country going to Jackson State. As you begin to get
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Speaker 1: more blue chip players kind of end those leagues, the
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Speaker 1: TV cameras tend to follow. So I think that is
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Speaker 1: the one thing that can help it go to the
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Speaker 1: next level. If they're able to secure a solid TV
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Speaker 1: deal where there's more exposure and more eyeballs are on
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Speaker 1: the league and the conference and you become more familiar
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Speaker 1: with the players, that's certainly will help him. Yeah. The
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Speaker 1: guy clip the guy right from like FSU stolen right, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Travis Hunter Travis Hunter, a big time athlete. He's a guy. Look,
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Speaker 1: he's listens why receiver, but he can play anywhere, and
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Speaker 1: there's been some conversation when he goes to Jackson State
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Speaker 1: he may play on both sides of the ball. Um Look,
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Speaker 1: Dion was able to secure him, and then he followed
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Speaker 1: up with another guy that was a top player. And
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Speaker 1: as more of those guys begin to those programs begin
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Speaker 1: to pull with three and sometimes four star players, the
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Speaker 1: level of talent rises. People start beginning to pay attention.
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Speaker 1: Maybe they snatched down a prominent program and the way
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Speaker 1: they go, and so it's one of those things. But
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Speaker 1: I think the big thing on these events UM has
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Speaker 1: been with COVID and some of the stuff that prevented
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Speaker 1: scouts from really getting on the road. If you don't
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Speaker 1: have built in relationships with the coaches down there, there's
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Speaker 1: some guys that can fall through the cracks. And so
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Speaker 1: by having the showcase events to HBCU combine at the
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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, you're now are bridging the gap, not only
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Speaker 1: in terms of scouts seeing the players with scouts meeting
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Speaker 1: the coaches. So now when you pick up the phone
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Speaker 1: and you ask a coach, hey do you have anybody
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Speaker 1: there that we need to be aware of. You now
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Speaker 1: have that instant access and so you can kind of
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Speaker 1: plan accordingly to see some of the best players. It's
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Speaker 1: an incredible thing. I mean it goes to show you
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Speaker 1: that conventional wisdom ain't always right. Because when d I
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Speaker 1: took that job, I think a lot of people have
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Speaker 1: rolled their eyes. What's he doing that will never work?
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Speaker 1: And I mean it's uh, he's got a chance to
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Speaker 1: really change the lands ape uh for a lot of athletes,
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Speaker 1: a lot of programs, and that YO credit to him
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Speaker 1: because I don't think anybody, or I think very few
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Speaker 1: people thought that what he was doing could work. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: You know what's funny is having worked with him and
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Speaker 1: you know, being able to call him a friend. He's
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Speaker 1: been coaching for about ten to fifteen years in youth
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Speaker 1: league high school. Uh. He's won like three four state
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Speaker 1: championships as an offensive coordinator to high school down in Texas.
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Speaker 1: So it wasn't like, oh, he went from off the
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Speaker 1: couch to coaching. So it's something that he's thought about.
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Speaker 1: And when I've talked to people on his staff who
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Speaker 1: have been around excellent coaches, they laud his ability to
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Speaker 1: be a leader of the program, and they would say,
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Speaker 1: surprisingly that persona that we have kind of fallen in
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Speaker 1: love with. He is an old school coach who is
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Speaker 1: really big on discipline and details and those things. And
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Speaker 1: I think it helps. I also think now because we
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Speaker 1: we've heard all the conversation in the league about black
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Speaker 1: coaches in the National Football League and even in college, HBCC,
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Speaker 1: you have given guys opportunities and I believe you're beginning
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Speaker 1: to see more guys. Man, I just want to be
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Speaker 1: a head coach. It doesn't matter at the level. And
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Speaker 1: so and as those guys go and they show others
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Speaker 1: that they can coach, it may lead to kind of
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Speaker 1: arising of more prominent coaches have an opportunity because now
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Speaker 1: they can go to the next level with experience and
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Speaker 1: expertise because they've done it um before at the HBC program. Alright, guys,
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Speaker 1: we'll take your time out. We return with a preview
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Speaker 1: of the NFL Scouting Combine coming up next week in
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Speaker 1: Indianapolis on the Huddle Up Podcast. Welcome back to the
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Speaker 1: Huddle Up Podcast. J P Shadrick, Bucky Brooks, and yet
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Speaker 1: John Osier's here as well. Jaguars dot Com right, that
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Speaker 1: that's back to normal. That fits like a glove. Next
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Speaker 1: week the NFL Scouting Combine and Indianapolis. This is Bucky Brooks.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you have a lot of big weeks. Every
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Speaker 1: week is a big week for you. I get that.
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Speaker 1: But the Combine week is is pretty high up the rankings.
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Speaker 1: If you had a top twenty or top fifty two
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Speaker 1: of weeks, I would think in your professional setting, right, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: now this is a big week. It's a big week
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Speaker 1: because this is the official handoff from last season to
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Speaker 1: this season for most of us NFL fans and those
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Speaker 1: around it. It's the first time that we begin to
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Speaker 1: get familiar with some of the top college players as
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Speaker 1: they kind of transition up to the National Football League.
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Speaker 1: So we began to kind of see the names. Guys
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Speaker 1: are beginning to kind of peruse the internet looking at
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Speaker 1: highlight packages. You're trying to figure out which players or
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Speaker 1: names are going to be associated and tied to your
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Speaker 1: best to your your favorite team. Yeah, this is a
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Speaker 1: major stage, and since the National Football League has made
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Speaker 1: it a TV event, it has really become a very
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Speaker 1: prominent event. You know, it was years ago as as
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Speaker 1: you guys can attest the combine used to just kind
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Speaker 1: of take place in that mysterious place of Indianapolis. There
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Speaker 1: were no cameras there, kind of took place in a
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Speaker 1: quiet stadium. No one saw it, no highlights, you barely
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Speaker 1: got the time. And then they put it on TV.
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Speaker 1: And then from the NFL's perspective, it was, you know,
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Speaker 1: we need to make this a primetime event. We need
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Speaker 1: to make it a TV event. And persistence paid off.
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Speaker 1: It is now a TV event that is on display Thursday, Friday, Saturday,
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Speaker 1: and Sunday at night prime time. Our quarterbacks go first.
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Speaker 1: It used to be the offensive lineman and all those
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Speaker 1: guys that people don't necessarily get excited about. Well now
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Speaker 1: the first night, Thursday night, it's like your quarterbacks and
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Speaker 1: your pass catchers in We're like, so the offense sales
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Speaker 1: tickets the league. The league has done a great job
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Speaker 1: of not only making this event big, but they made
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Speaker 1: the league calendar where every month there's something the National
10:46
Speaker 1: Football League dominates the headlines twelve months a year and
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Speaker 1: it's not I mean, it's not even close. It is crazy. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I was fortunate or unfortunate, as it were, uh, either
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Speaker 1: one to be working for the Indianapolis Colts when they
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Speaker 1: first went from secret combine, I would call it to
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Speaker 1: televise com combine and Bucky, you might be able to
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Speaker 1: attest this. I thought Bill Pollion's head was going to
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Speaker 1: exploit the idea. The idea, and you know, Bill be
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Speaker 1: the first to tell you it was a football centric
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Speaker 1: This is about football. It's gonna ruin it. He knew
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Speaker 1: it was coming and he knew there was no way
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Speaker 1: to avoid it. But the old school football guys didn't
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Speaker 1: like this move at all. I guess it's a precursor
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Speaker 1: Bucky to asking you, um, does the televised aspect of it?
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Speaker 1: I know the positive everybody would tell you very rarely
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Speaker 1: have guys who don't run at the combine now or
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Speaker 1: you have, you have far fewer. So it had that
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Speaker 1: huge benefit for the football people. Has there been any
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Speaker 1: negative to it? Or I mean, is it harder to
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Speaker 1: scout you've done the behind the scene stuff? Is that trickier?
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Speaker 1: Or they managed to keep that the same? Is it's
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Speaker 1: still beneficial to scouts? You know, John, like what's been crazy?
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Speaker 1: Like scouts are all uh up in arms at the
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Speaker 1: beginning of it, like, oh my god, TV, you're turning
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Speaker 1: into this advance. It's not it's losing the purity of it.
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Speaker 1: It has now become such a deal where you have
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Speaker 1: teams that aren't sending their scouts because they can see
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Speaker 1: it on TV. So they get the scouts, can stay
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Speaker 1: in their cities, they continue to meet, they can watch
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Speaker 1: it on TV, they get the official times from the
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Speaker 1: now the service UM and so it prevents it prevents
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Speaker 1: you from having to send all your scouts from So
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Speaker 1: from an economical standpoint, you have owners who are able
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Speaker 1: to save money UM by keeping their scouts. And I
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Speaker 1: want to say the l a Ram's last year didn't
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Speaker 1: send anybody, you know, maybe just their general manager and
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Speaker 1: the uh player personnel guy in college directed, but all
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Speaker 1: of the regular scouts may have stayed at home. And
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Speaker 1: you've seen a rise in that. I think the best
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Speaker 1: you know who that does hurt Bucky high velocity the
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Speaker 1: lobby bar at the hotel. That's right. Oh, I mean, look,
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Speaker 1: the lobby bar has suddenly taken a hit. And now
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Speaker 1: when you have like COVID and COVID restrictstions, guys have
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Speaker 1: kind of found ways that we don't need to send
13:15
Speaker 1: the main contingent. But now I think it's really been
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Speaker 1: positive because you know, before that you would have a
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Speaker 1: ton of guys they wouldn't work out. Now that it's
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Speaker 1: on TV, guys have grown up seeing the Combine and
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Speaker 1: it's kind of become an aspirational event where you want
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Speaker 1: to be a part of it. You want to be
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Speaker 1: the fastest man, you want to be known for the
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Speaker 1: workout that you put on display. So I actually feel
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Speaker 1: like it's been positive, even though it has kind of
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Speaker 1: change a little bit away of the Combine operates. I
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Speaker 1: was told last week there are at least eight hundred
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Speaker 1: credential media members for this thing now, so it's not
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Speaker 1: just yes, it's televised, that's part of it, but it's
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Speaker 1: bloggers and draft nicks and people and it's everybody everywhere,
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Speaker 1: and fans fans and fans. They're coming in because you
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Speaker 1: can go now. I am old Enos jp Uh Pete Priscoe.
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Speaker 1: If I worked with the tu he's been doing this
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Speaker 1: long enough where he can tell you when it was
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Speaker 1: ten or fifteen media guys. My first one in two
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Speaker 1: thousand one. Believe it or not, they did not bring
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Speaker 1: prospects into to be interviewed by the media. We sat
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Speaker 1: in a yeah. For Bucky's I'm sure you weren't uh
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Speaker 1: brought in and you would have been second round pick.
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Speaker 1: You would have been a podium guy. Uh. But that's
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Speaker 1: all within the last twenty years that they have brought
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Speaker 1: it in and it's become a show where people are
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Speaker 1: mobbing the podiums and whatnot. So it's it's definitely changed.
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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to it. Yeah, it's changed. And now
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Speaker 1: that this I think this is the last year that
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Speaker 1: is committed to being Indianapolis and now becomes a sellable event,
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Speaker 1: just like the Draft has been and now can go
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Speaker 1: in the row. But I have a sneaky suspension that
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Speaker 1: it may end this way up out here and La
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Speaker 1: la land, so we could have that your rest backdropp
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Speaker 1: like we saw in Super Bowl where the sun is setting,
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Speaker 1: we got the guys running maybe in so Fi and
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Speaker 1: somewhere in Arizona. I kind of feel like it may
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Speaker 1: move that way. See the old guy in me, the
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Speaker 1: old guy in me lucky. I didn't agree back then
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Speaker 1: with Bill that putting it on TV was a mistake.
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Speaker 1: Moving it out of in the that does worry me
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Speaker 1: a little bit, just because of of the logistics of it.
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Speaker 1: But I'm sure it'll be fine. I'm sure you look
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Speaker 1: at say old man John was wrong, but the ease
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Speaker 1: with which that town hosted because of the medical etcetera.
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Speaker 1: I do think that's a factor that could mean hiccups
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Speaker 1: going forward. The check will clear, and I think it will.
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Speaker 1: And John, like, think of it this way. I don't
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Speaker 1: know if you're a foodie or not, but I'm a foodie.
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Speaker 1: So like, it just gives us more places to explore,
15:53
Speaker 1: Like we we have now potentially a new set of
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Speaker 1: reservations that we can make in a new city to
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Speaker 1: taste different cuisine and fair and sample of different culture.
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Speaker 1: This should be this should be an exciting time. Three
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Speaker 1: nights a week and put me on a plane. Hub Yeah,
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Speaker 1: three dollar Coors lights. That's fine, JP, I don't play
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Speaker 1: in it. What's the ritzy place that that you guys love,
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Speaker 1: h one or whatever it is where they clear out
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Speaker 1: the tables at the end of the day. Prime. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a writer, Bucky, I'm not ex player.
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Speaker 1: I can't afford prime. And unless you're buying prime, and
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Speaker 1: well here's a here's a key. John. Now, remember we
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Speaker 1: haven't done a combine since Bucky has been working with us,
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Speaker 1: so now it could be the first time with Bucky
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Speaker 1: like picking up the tab doing this and learning his
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Speaker 1: finger around yet see, because what what what I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: do early is I'm gonna make sure I get you
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Speaker 1: nice and full of it, uh steak and shake. Then
16:55
Speaker 1: we'll go to the prime and then I can put
16:57
Speaker 1: you on like the liquid diet, which would be a
16:59
Speaker 1: little more economical because you're fool your bellies all stuff
17:02
Speaker 1: with that big old rock in your belly, So that's
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Speaker 1: the key get you to eat somewhere else. Then I
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Speaker 1: was gonna say, we haven't hung out that often, have we, Bucky, No,
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Speaker 1: your opponent. Hey, one more combined thought from me, you know.
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Speaker 1: And I think you've made this point, Blucky earlier this
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Speaker 1: week on Twitter or somewhere TV. You're on all different
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Speaker 1: kind of media right now. So it's one data point.
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Speaker 1: This combine all those testing and everything that happens here,
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Speaker 1: and a lot of these credential media types will take
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Speaker 1: that and run with it and change mock drafts and
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Speaker 1: boards and rankings and all these things. But in reality,
17:46
Speaker 1: inside of a football building, in an office in a
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Speaker 1: war room, it doesn't really move that quickly after maybe
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Speaker 1: one bad test or one really positive test to combine right,
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Speaker 1: no like and now I would say this, and I
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Speaker 1: think UM balky comes from we're kind of in the
18:03
Speaker 1: same family in terms of like how we were reared
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Speaker 1: in the scouting world. A lot of the work that
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Speaker 1: you want to do is you want to get it
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Speaker 1: done before the combine, meaning you want to put the
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Speaker 1: board up. You want to have prospects kind of stacked
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Speaker 1: and ranked based on grade prior to the combine, and
18:19
Speaker 1: what you want to use the combine for is to
18:21
Speaker 1: kind of separate what we call the clusters, meaning when
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Speaker 1: you have like three or four guys that are closely
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Speaker 1: graded based on what we evaluated on tape, and then
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Speaker 1: when you go to the combine, the testing part becomes
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Speaker 1: a factor who has longer arms, who was taller, who's bigger,
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Speaker 1: who's faster when we watched them in drills? Who is
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Speaker 1: more likely to fit into our system better based on
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Speaker 1: what they displayed? And then the background stuff in terms
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Speaker 1: of the interviews UM not only like getting a field
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Speaker 1: of where they come from and how they make UM
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Speaker 1: thrive and prosper in your city, but where is their
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Speaker 1: football intelligence at how well do they prove this information?
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Speaker 1: Is it a situation where it looks ay, we want
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Speaker 1: smart fast guys are a we're more athleticism over that
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Speaker 1: other stuff. You're trying to sort out the personality and
19:09
Speaker 1: how they fit into the thing. And then I always
19:12
Speaker 1: tell people and I shouldn't give the secret sauce away.
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Speaker 1: But no matter where you work out, wherever you post
19:18
Speaker 1: your fastest time or your best measurement, by rule, that
19:22
Speaker 1: is the one that we take. So if you go
19:24
Speaker 1: to the combine and you run a four or five five,
19:27
Speaker 1: but then you go to Fresno State and you run
19:30
Speaker 1: four three eight, at the end of the process, when
19:33
Speaker 1: you get your draft card, it says your name Joe
19:36
Speaker 1: John Doe four three nine because that's your fastest time.
19:41
Speaker 1: And so really the reason why you want to work
19:43
Speaker 1: at the combine is because if you have a great performance,
19:45
Speaker 1: you're done. You don't have to do any more testing.
19:48
Speaker 1: If you have a bad one, it now gives you
19:50
Speaker 1: an opportunity to make up for When you bob ass
19:52
Speaker 1: the combin and everything is on your pro day, you
19:55
Speaker 1: don't have a chance to make up for a bad performance.
19:57
Speaker 1: And the bigger point is the combine gives you the
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Speaker 1: opportunity to work out in front of every decision maker, jenner, manager, head, coach, director,
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Speaker 1: personnel when you're at your pro day. Unless you're some
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Speaker 1: high for looting guy like John Oshie who's gonna command
20:12
Speaker 1: all the attention because he's a top five pick, you
20:15
Speaker 1: may not get all of the decision maker is to
20:17
Speaker 1: be on your campus. And so that's why you want
20:18
Speaker 1: to take advantage of the combine For the Jags, Bucky,
20:20
Speaker 1: who you I mean you know? Is it such a
20:23
Speaker 1: pedestrian question, but who you know in that top group?
20:29
Speaker 1: Are you interested in seeing? Uh, Hutchinson, Thibodeau, Neil, anybody else?
20:35
Speaker 1: If you're a Jags fan watching that out of those
20:38
Speaker 1: high profile guys, what are you looking for? Oh, we're
20:40
Speaker 1: all we're looking at all the bigs. Our eyes are
20:44
Speaker 1: cast on the trenches. So the days that you normally
20:45
Speaker 1: wouldn't tune into the broadcast, you want to tune in
20:48
Speaker 1: when you see the big guys moving around offensively. You
20:52
Speaker 1: want to think about this being the year that the
20:54
Speaker 1: Jaguars really go all in to make sure that Trevor
20:56
Speaker 1: Lawrence has exactly what he wants. We think about what
20:59
Speaker 1: the Bengals did with o'burrow, they went with the playmakers
21:01
Speaker 1: to make sure that he had that. For Jacksonville, I
21:04
Speaker 1: think it's a little different. Yes, you want playmakers, but
21:06
Speaker 1: with the number one pick, it might be a great
21:08
Speaker 1: opportunity to get an offensive tackle or two, depending on
21:13
Speaker 1: what you feel about with walk a little. Do you
21:14
Speaker 1: want to kick him inside of those things? So at tackle,
21:17
Speaker 1: you're thinking Evan Neil from Alabama, You're thinking I can
21:23
Speaker 1: Kwanu from NC State, and you're thinking about Charles Cross
21:28
Speaker 1: from Mississippi State. Those are the three guys. All of
21:31
Speaker 1: them are closely graded. Uh, depends on stylistically what you want.
21:35
Speaker 1: Evan Neil is probably the more polished of them all
21:38
Speaker 1: in terms of a technician with length and those things.
21:41
Speaker 1: High floor, maybe not the highest ceiling. I can Equinanu
21:46
Speaker 1: is a guy who is just a terror on the outside.
21:49
Speaker 1: He just throws guys around like a big old grizzly bear.
21:52
Speaker 1: The technique is not exactly what you want because he's
21:56
Speaker 1: just a brute. I mean, he's just a bully. He's
21:59
Speaker 1: just he's a he's a bar bouncer. Yeah, he's just
22:02
Speaker 1: throwing him out because you're not properly attired or if
22:04
Speaker 1: you had too many, he just has to get you
22:06
Speaker 1: out the club. That's him. And then Cross is just
22:11
Speaker 1: he's just an interesting guy because he's such a technician.
22:13
Speaker 1: And so when I think about Doug Peterson what he
22:15
Speaker 1: had at Philadelphia when they were great, Jason Peters on
22:18
Speaker 1: one side, Lane Johnson on the other side, and I
22:22
Speaker 1: don't think it was a coincidence that all the quarterbacks
22:24
Speaker 1: flourished because they were protected. That is a big deal.
22:27
Speaker 1: When we think about the offensive tackles. Let's come back
22:30
Speaker 1: in a moment, our final thoughts. Maybe a couple of
22:33
Speaker 1: the positions of of we're talking about ed rushers coming back,
22:36
Speaker 1: edge rushers. Let's see, that's what I was trying to say,
22:39
Speaker 1: ed rushers. When we come back on the Huddle Up Podcast.
22:44
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Huddle Up Podcast, j P Shadrick,
22:46
Speaker 1: John Osier, and Bucky Brooks. The NFL scouting combine next
22:51
Speaker 1: week in Indianapolis. We touched on some of the offensive
22:55
Speaker 1: lineman Bucky, how about a edge rusher. That's another hot
23:00
Speaker 1: name that's being mocked to the Jaguars and two or
23:05
Speaker 1: at least are the biggest of the names that we've
23:07
Speaker 1: seen so far in Thibodeaux and Aidan Hutchinson from Michigan.
23:12
Speaker 1: Who else is who is there anybody else in that
23:14
Speaker 1: realm uh yeah, they're actually there. It's a really intriguing
23:18
Speaker 1: pass rusher class. Um Aidan Hutcheson and Kevon Tipodeau are
23:22
Speaker 1: the guys who get the most attention, and that is
23:24
Speaker 1: because the media watch has been on them from the start.
23:26
Speaker 1: They started with everyone being all in on Thibodeau because
23:29
Speaker 1: he was coming off two successful years as a freshman
23:32
Speaker 1: and sophomore. That really got your attention. He is, um,
23:37
Speaker 1: I would say, an outstanding athlete who's a bit of
23:39
Speaker 1: a flasher as a player. You see these flashes of
23:44
Speaker 1: brilliance and dominance off the edge, but as a level
23:47
Speaker 1: of inconsistency to his game that makes you like, uh
23:51
Speaker 1: pause a little bit. Aidan Hutchinson has been i would say,
23:55
Speaker 1: miscast as the try hard, work hard guy. Like people
24:00
Speaker 1: see him it's like, oh, he's just a try hard
24:02
Speaker 1: every guy that he's Aaron kampman. He's gonna do all
24:05
Speaker 1: this and just fight to the end to get the sacks.
24:07
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you that people are making the mistake
24:10
Speaker 1: because when he tests, he is going to be in
24:12
Speaker 1: the top percentile of testers. This is a rare fine
24:17
Speaker 1: in terms of being what I call an A plus
24:19
Speaker 1: athlete with A plus skills and tactical ability. And because
24:24
Speaker 1: people just caught the Georgia game and they saw a
24:27
Speaker 1: couple of plays where he got knocked around, they have
24:31
Speaker 1: neglected what he's really put in terms of his resume
24:34
Speaker 1: and body of work. To me, if I'm gonna take
24:36
Speaker 1: a pass rush at the top of the board, he's
24:38
Speaker 1: the choice. Beyond that, George Coloftus from Purdue is interesting,
24:43
Speaker 1: very productive. Purdue has a long history of producing pass rushers.
24:46
Speaker 1: He's one of the tops to ever play there. Um
24:49
Speaker 1: David and Jobo from Michigan elite athlete like freakish athleticism
24:55
Speaker 1: and Birth's head double digit sacks this year, and then
24:58
Speaker 1: Jermaine Johnson from Florida State. You can do it. So
25:01
Speaker 1: there are a lot of intriguing names in that realm.
25:04
Speaker 1: I would say if the Jaguars go that realm, they
25:08
Speaker 1: need to prove in pass Russia, they can't necessarily gamble
25:11
Speaker 1: on Hey, We're gonna take the athletic guy and develops them. Know,
25:14
Speaker 1: the guy who shows up to rush the pass or
25:17
Speaker 1: opposite Josh Allen. He needs to be a proven commodity
25:21
Speaker 1: because they need someone that can get to the quarterback
25:24
Speaker 1: um without a lot of seasoning. As I would say,
25:27
Speaker 1: I need to be come, ready to play, ready to
25:29
Speaker 1: kind of get to the quarterback. So it sounds like
25:31
Speaker 1: in your mind you think it's Hutch and center Neil. Yes,
25:34
Speaker 1: I think so, And the reason why is at the
25:36
Speaker 1: top of the board. As much as I would love
25:38
Speaker 1: to hit a home run, you can win a lot
25:40
Speaker 1: of games with doubles and sometimes people don't like the
25:43
Speaker 1: high floor comment, but part of when you're picking up
25:47
Speaker 1: that high is you just don't want to miss. You
25:50
Speaker 1: want to make sure that the guy that comes in
25:53
Speaker 1: can give you the kind of a production that you're like, okay,
25:55
Speaker 1: I'm good with it. Now you can roll the dice
25:58
Speaker 1: and take a chance and maybe have some one who
26:00
Speaker 1: has maybe greater potential down the line. But for me,
26:04
Speaker 1: based on what did Jaguars have, Yeah, I don't want
26:07
Speaker 1: to gamble. I want to I want to take the
26:09
Speaker 1: Warren Buffet approach. I want to get the brand name.
26:11
Speaker 1: I want to know exactly what I'm gonna I want
26:12
Speaker 1: to get a good return on the investment and feel
26:14
Speaker 1: good about it. Alright, plenty of draft talk in the
26:16
Speaker 1: weeks ahead. We're only just getting started. It is February,
26:20
Speaker 1: of course, so um, this time next week, John, you
26:24
Speaker 1: and Bucky will be an Indy. I'll be there later
26:26
Speaker 1: in the week next week, and we'll at some point
26:29
Speaker 1: do this all again, probably after the combine is over.
26:32
Speaker 1: How about that. Yeah, we gotta get together talk about
26:34
Speaker 1: it because it will be exciting. It's an exciting time.
26:36
Speaker 1: I know the excitement is not the same as it
26:39
Speaker 1: was last year with the Trevor Lawrence thing, but this
26:41
Speaker 1: should be an exciting time because not only did the
26:43
Speaker 1: Jazz get the first pick in the first round, but
26:45
Speaker 1: the beginning of the second round has become a very
26:48
Speaker 1: valuable pick. Either you cash in and get a hidden
26:52
Speaker 1: a player that kind of unexpectedly falls out of the
26:54
Speaker 1: first round, or you traded away you get some valuable
26:57
Speaker 1: pickups to get more players have the team. I like it.
27:01
Speaker 1: I like it, John, You would expect to JP. You know,
27:06
Speaker 1: next week is historically when you start hearing more uh
27:11
Speaker 1: solid speculation on free agents, you know, because people are
27:16
Speaker 1: talking so, uh, what's going on with Camera Robinson DJ Shark.
27:24
Speaker 1: Maybe not because teams do keep that quiet, but my
27:27
Speaker 1: guess is you'll start hearing a little better idea, particularly
27:30
Speaker 1: free agency, what free agenc from other teams are in
27:33
Speaker 1: reality going to be out there rather than just being
27:36
Speaker 1: on a list right now. So it's it's an important
27:38
Speaker 1: week for that as well. A lot coming up for
27:41
Speaker 1: the Jaguars and in the National Football League. And let
27:44
Speaker 1: me say this, so just before you guys know, I
27:47
Speaker 1: want you to know that I have reserved. Look, I'm
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Speaker 1: coupons if you choose to utilize them. While we were well,
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Speaker 1: they'll be YEA was a question that I mean, I
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Speaker 1: don't know. I mean I don't I don't know. I
28:09
Speaker 1: was like, I was like, comma butt or comma and
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Speaker 1: what's the second I thought, Okay, well, yeah, that's we
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Speaker 1: would better define a few sheep. That's all I'm saying.
28:22
Speaker 1: I don't we good. We'll see you guys in Indianapolis. Joado,
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Speaker 1: Jaguars dot Com senior writer, NFL Network analyst Bucky Brooks.
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Speaker 1: I'm J. P. Shatrick. We'll catch you next time on
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Speaker 1: the Huddle Up podcast,