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A Comic-ally Overdue Episode · Large Nerdron Collider

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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Large Ner Drunk Collider the podcast.
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Speaker 1: It's all about Nikiki, things happening in the world around
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Speaker 1: us and how excited we are about them. I'm Ariel
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Speaker 1: Caston and with me as always is Jonathan Strickland.
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Speaker 2: Wow. Wow, not even the nickname this time. That's how
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Speaker 2: frustrated Ariel is.
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Speaker 1: Is as the thankful is the thankfully better and always
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Speaker 1: amazing Jonathan.
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Speaker 2: Strickland's I was like, I know, we haven't done this
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Speaker 2: for a while, but come on, Yeah, okay, so let's
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Speaker 2: get some stuff off the right, off the top. First
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Speaker 2: of all, we're happy to be back. We were gone
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Speaker 2: for quite some time because Ariel had some travel, then
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Speaker 2: I had work travel that kept me out for two
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Speaker 2: consecutive fridays. Then I got COVID, so it's been a
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Speaker 2: month since that month. We've also had the WGA sign
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Speaker 2: an agreement with the AMPTP, so WGA strike is over,
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Speaker 2: but the sag after strike continues. Negotiating negotiations broke down
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Speaker 2: this week, so the strike is still in effect, so
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Speaker 2: we're still honoring the strike. And pertinent to this episode
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Speaker 2: in particular is we're having some technical issues.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, riversidewhy do you hate me? You know it's
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Speaker 1: because I said on discord that we were going to
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Speaker 1: record today a jink stit.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So Ariel's microphone that she usually uses, she's not
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Speaker 2: able to use because for some reason, Riverside is convinced
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Speaker 2: that some other application on her computer is making use
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Speaker 2: of the microphone, even though she can't see anything that
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Speaker 2: could possibly be doing that. So in the respect of
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Speaker 2: her time, we decided we'd record with her onboard microphone
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Speaker 2: and their laptop. So it's going to sound a little different,
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Speaker 2: but we figured we've been off the air long enough
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Speaker 2: for us to go ahead and get an episode recorded.
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Speaker 1: Yep, and Jonathan already covered one of the few things
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Speaker 1: we had to talk about today, So it's.
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, obviously, like like the we could say
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Speaker 2: so much more. We have said a lot about Yeah, no,
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Speaker 2: the strike, So I.
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Speaker 1: Was being silly, but yeah, WGA got I think they
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Speaker 1: got a really good contract. Some of the things that
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Speaker 1: are in the contract are actually up for review after
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Speaker 1: like three years, so they'll be going back to the
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Speaker 1: table a little earlier than normal. Sag Aftra the studios
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Speaker 1: once again said sag after is not playing nice so
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Speaker 1: we're walking away again. Everybody's still hoping that, you know,
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Speaker 1: maybe by the first of the year. I will obviously
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Speaker 1: hopefully sooner.
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Speaker 2: But I'll also say sag Aftra, like the negotiation team,
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Speaker 2: they said, no, the problem was that the deal that
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Speaker 2: was presented to them was actually worse than the deal
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Speaker 2: that was at the very beginning of all this before
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Speaker 2: negotiations broke down. So it's two different stories. But the
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Speaker 2: folks and the negotiating team on Sagaftra point out that
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Speaker 2: the studios are also the ones that control the media,
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Speaker 2: and so they're like, don't believe that it's because we
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Speaker 2: you know, they were being so generous and we walked away.
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Speaker 2: It was more like like they refuse to meet us
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Speaker 2: on common ground.
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Speaker 1: Because the studios are saying they're giving them the same
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Speaker 1: uh like deal on pay as they gave to the
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Speaker 1: writers and the directors, and that what sag after is
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Speaker 1: asking for is going to cost them eight hundred million
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Speaker 1: dollars a year. So you know, again, also, what happens
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Speaker 1: behind the closed doors and what we hear are not
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Speaker 1: always coinciding.
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Speaker 2: So that's true, that's true. It's hard to hard to
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Speaker 2: know whose version of the story is the most accurate.
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Speaker 2: Chances are the truth is somewhere in the middle.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but I know everybody wants production to go
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Speaker 1: back up. I you know, I'm guessing that writers are
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Speaker 1: back in writers' rooms, are starting there so that once
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Speaker 1: Saga After is done with their strike, things can get
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Speaker 1: rolling and then it'll be Merry Christmas to all of
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Speaker 1: us actors hopefully.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, everyone can. Everyone can start recording or start
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Speaker 2: shooting films. Which while you know, if filmmaking were something
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Speaker 2: that happens super fast, you could be doing Christmas. But
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Speaker 2: because filmmaking isn't, we're probably talking like Halloween movies at
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Speaker 2: this point.
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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe we'll see you know. But again, this is
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Speaker 1: all good, and we won't continue to bore you all
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Speaker 1: with the news because that's about it for that. What
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Speaker 1: else do we want to talk about on Discord? One
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Speaker 1: of our our awesome listeners said we should talk about
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Speaker 1: our face favorite acronyms because somebody likes to use FYI
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Speaker 1: too much. I don't know my favorite acronym. I don't
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Speaker 1: know if they were actually serious. Uh, my favorite acronym
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Speaker 1: is there. I used to have a pen and it
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Speaker 1: was like it was like adiewigma or something like that.
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Speaker 1: If you asked me, I'll give you a hug or something. No,
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Speaker 1: I really loved it, uh.
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Speaker 2: I mean like, I am notoriously grouchy about acronyms and initialisms.
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Speaker 2: I particularly hate acronyms, which is when you come up
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Speaker 2: with your acronym first and then have to invent what
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Speaker 2: it stands for. I hate that. That being said, ones
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Speaker 2: that I don't mind wizzywig. What you see is what
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Speaker 2: you get that. That's a very popular one for Like
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Speaker 2: it's mostly for publication software. Like it means that whatever
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Speaker 2: you see on the screen is how it's supposed to
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Speaker 2: look when it prints out, which was not always the case. Y'all.
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Speaker 2: If you've been in desktop publishing for a hot minute,
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Speaker 2: like if you were active way back in the eighties,
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Speaker 2: you know that you could have a great layout on
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Speaker 2: your screen and then when you print it, it all looks terrible.
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Speaker 2: So wizzywig was a big step in the right direction
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Speaker 2: for that. The other one, and this is because I
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Speaker 2: deal with technology all the time, is rt FM, now, Ariel,
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Speaker 2: can you guess what RTFM stands for?
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Speaker 1: Really tight and functional modems?
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Speaker 2: I like that. I love that idea. Man, this modem
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Speaker 2: is really tight, is so functional? Now it stands for
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Speaker 2: read the Freakin' manual manual. Yeah, but usually we don't
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Speaker 2: use the word freaking.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And there's stuff like there's acronyms, and all of
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Speaker 1: a sudden, I can't remember I use it all the time.
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Speaker 1: That's like, you know, this is just my opinion, basically, Imo,
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Speaker 1: it's not. I use a different one, but I can't
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Speaker 1: remember it like I have to use it the moment. Honestly,
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Speaker 1: I use less less acronyms, and I use more like
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Speaker 1: short words, which annoys my husband to no end. You know,
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Speaker 1: stuff like hungy.
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Speaker 2: Oh, oh god.
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Speaker 1: Fro yo, I will I will, I will put a
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Speaker 1: bunch of words together and make a shorter word. And
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Speaker 1: he's like, that is the dumbest thing. Please stop, my husband,
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Speaker 1: who loves me very much.
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Speaker 2: You don't reference pizza as za, do you?
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Speaker 1: No?
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Speaker 2: No, okay, then you're not not like the Mackelroys.
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Speaker 1: Now, even though I love the Ninja Turtles, I do
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Speaker 1: not reference pizza as za. Yeah, so you might have
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Speaker 1: I was killer. You might have been joking on discord,
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Speaker 1: but there you go.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I don't in the geek circles, I don't
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Speaker 2: tend to use them. So here's the other thing is that,
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Speaker 2: like I have not been active in actual geek communities
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Speaker 2: for quite some time. So like when I was active,
8:14
Speaker 2: back when I was active, saying in the Buffy the
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Speaker 2: Vampire Slayer fandom, even then, I would find the various
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Speaker 2: like initialisms and acronyms to be really confusing because I
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Speaker 2: was a big fan, but I was casual in the fandom,
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Speaker 2: so I wasn't I wasn't so deep in the fandom
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Speaker 2: that all the slang and shorthand and all that had
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Speaker 2: taken root in my mind, and so I would often
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Speaker 2: just be totally perplexed as to what people were talking about,
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Speaker 2: even though I was a fan of the same thing
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Speaker 2: that they were a fan of.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's true. That's where I am in fandom. Sorry,
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Speaker 1: I'm still utterly frustrated by my microphone. BS.
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Speaker 2: It's it's it's dead, Areel. You just gotta let it go.
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Speaker 1: I can't, I can't it can d I A.
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Speaker 2: F We will, we will figure that one out and
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Speaker 2: we'll get it fixed. But yeah, for now, we can
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Speaker 2: let that go. I think there was another wasn't there
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Speaker 2: another request that we talk about? Maybe comic books.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and specifically like Miller, like Miller's work and
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Speaker 1: how that changed comic books and stuff. So I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: be real honest. Yeah, yeah, Frank Miller. So I have
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Speaker 1: read comic books. I think the first comic book I
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Speaker 1: read was Bone, like actually sat down and read read.
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Speaker 1: It was like a bone omnibus. And I read like
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Speaker 1: little comics and like Disney Adventures and stuff. That'll show
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Speaker 1: your age if you know what a Disney Adventure magazine is.
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Speaker 1: But uh, as far as like reading Marvel and DC,
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Speaker 1: I have read comics, but it's been a lot later
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Speaker 1: in my life, and it's been very like, oh you'll
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Speaker 1: like this one, here, read it, and then I'll read
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Speaker 1: an issue or a you know, collection of So I
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Speaker 1: am not the most well versed on this. I do
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Speaker 1: understand Frank Miller's importance in the in the comic book world,
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Speaker 1: But Jonathan, you might have to take lead on this one.
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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know that I would put Frank Miller
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Speaker 2: as being like a pivotal figure in comics and how
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Speaker 2: comics have changed. I mean, he certainly is important. He
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Speaker 2: wrote an incredibly important and influential run of Daredevil. Clearly
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Speaker 2: like very important for the Batman mythos. He did the
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Speaker 2: Dark Knight graphic novel where it's like the return of
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Speaker 2: Batman when Bruce Wayne is in his sixties. And he
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Speaker 2: also did like Batman Year one, which came after he
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Speaker 2: had written The Dark Knight one, which are Dark Knight Returns,
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Speaker 2: I think is what it was called. But it was
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Speaker 2: funny because he worked in some of the same kind
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Speaker 2: of lines that he had in The Dark Knight Returns.
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Speaker 2: He worked into Batman Year one retroactively, so it then
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Speaker 2: becomes like foreshadowing if you go by the chronology of Batman,
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Speaker 2: even though he wrote that part second very important elements
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Speaker 2: of certain characters. But I would argue there are other
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Speaker 2: comic book writers and illustrators who played at least as
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Speaker 2: important a part, like I mean Alan Moore, Alan Moore, Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 2: Alan Moore is, like I would think he's at least
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Speaker 2: as important as Frank Miller, arguably more so depending upon
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Speaker 2: your perspective.
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Speaker 1: I'm not looking at Discord right now since I'm having
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Speaker 1: microphone issues. It could have said Alan Moore, so let's
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Speaker 1: talk about that too.
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Speaker 2: Sure. Yeah, so Alan Moore, I mean, he's he's the
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Speaker 2: guy behind The Watchman, which was obviously a big commentary
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Speaker 2: on superhero comics in general, and V for Vendetta V
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Speaker 2: for Vendetta, Yeah, which I cannot stand. He also he
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Speaker 2: also wrote one of what's considered one of the foundational
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Speaker 2: Joker stories in Batman, the Killing Joke.
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Speaker 1: He did that one, which surprisingly so DC Movies made
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Speaker 1: an animated The Killing Joke movie. Uh, and it was
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Speaker 1: so upsetting and that my husband turned it off and
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Speaker 1: he watches all of their dumb, good and dumb animated movies.
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Speaker 1: So that's that's something right there.
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Speaker 2: Well, and the Killing Joke. The thing that the Killing
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Speaker 2: Joke did was it explored the backstory of the Joker,
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Speaker 2: although you do have to remember the Joker himself is
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Speaker 2: an unreliable narrator, so you can't be entirely certain that
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Speaker 2: the story you're getting is reflective of what happened. But
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Speaker 2: it's what establishes the idea of the Joker being a
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Speaker 2: failed comedian who loses his wife and child and that
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Speaker 2: drives him to madness and ultimately is what contributes to
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Speaker 2: him becoming the Joker, and draws a lot of parallels
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Speaker 2: between the Joker and Batman and saying like there's very
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Speaker 2: actually very thin line between the two and it was interesting,
13:38
Speaker 2: but it does have some massive issues in it, the
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Speaker 2: biggest being the a treatment of Barbara Gordon in the
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Speaker 2: story Commissioner Gordon's daughter and Batgirl Slash Oracle. It's this
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Speaker 2: story where she is paralyzed due to an attack from
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Speaker 2: the Joker, and it's a particularly floidative kind of depiction
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Speaker 2: in the in the graphic novel, and that has continued
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Speaker 2: to be a point of criticism. So it's interesting because,
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Speaker 2: like the Death of the or the Killing Joke rather,
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Speaker 2: is one of the few graphic novels that I owned,
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Speaker 2: So when we were talking about having a conversation about comics,
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Speaker 2: like it just so happens that that's one of the ones.
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Speaker 2: I collected a few comics, not a ton, certainly not
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Speaker 2: as many as people like Ariel And I know a
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Speaker 2: guy named Bill who has a like a room full
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Speaker 2: of boxes of comics that are arranged chronologically and everything,
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Speaker 2: and it's crazy how huge his collection is. I had
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Speaker 2: nothing like that, but I did have a few pivotal
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Speaker 2: stories in various runs, like I had the Death of
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Speaker 2: Superman run from Gush. When did that come up? Ninety two?
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Speaker 2: I came out around ninety two and I had the
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Speaker 2: Death of Superman run, which was a pretty big deal
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Speaker 2: because you know, DC killed off Superman. Of course, not forever.
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Speaker 2: He did come back, because everyone in comics does, including
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Speaker 2: Jason Todd, who the Joker killed also the same year
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Speaker 2: that The Killing Joke came out. But yeah, I had those.
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Speaker 2: Those were like the big storylines, and I had those,
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Speaker 2: but that was the exception. I didn't collect them religiously.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we still get new comic books in this house.
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Speaker 1: We've got a wall that's just got a bunch of
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Speaker 1: bookshelves of comic books on it, and of course we
15:37
Speaker 1: give them away and never get them back. One of
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Speaker 1: the ones that I did like, although I don't know
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Speaker 1: if it holds up so much, but it was one
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Speaker 1: that Neil Gaiman was involved with. It was Marvel sixteen
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Speaker 1: oh two. Are you familiar with that one?
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Speaker 2: Is that the one where it reimagines characters as seventeenth
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Speaker 2: century figures, So.
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Speaker 1: Like, yeah, basically Superhero show up for one hundred year early.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Captain America is like a Native American and
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Speaker 2: stuff like that.
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Speaker 1: But I think that's part of the problem is because
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Speaker 1: he might be white I don't remember. I'm looking it up,
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Speaker 1: but yeah, no, it's it's it's a really interesting fun reimagining.
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Speaker 1: Like I said, I don't know if it would hold up,
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Speaker 1: but it is really fun.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I for some reason, I mix that up with
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Speaker 2: because DC did something similar where they they had some
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Speaker 2: comics where there was one where I want to say
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Speaker 2: Superman is represented in the Revolutionary War between America and
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Speaker 2: the UK, but I don't remember what that one was called.
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Speaker 2: It was one that I didn't collect, but it's one
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Speaker 2: where I thought, oh, that's kind of a neat idea.
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Speaker 2: And that's as far as it went. I do have
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Speaker 2: a list of I made up a list of comics
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Speaker 2: that I did own or collect if you're if you're
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Speaker 2: curious to hear some.
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Speaker 1: Of them, I am, but real quick, you were right.
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Speaker 1: He was Native American, but he was blonde haired and
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Speaker 1: blue eyed, and his name was Rojazz Rojas Rojhz. So
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Speaker 1: interesting take on, Oh.
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Speaker 2: It's Roger's Roger because Steve Rogers.
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Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, cute, but it was fun. Yeah, okay, yes,
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Speaker 1: so yes, give me your list.
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Speaker 2: So one series that I collected the entire run of
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Speaker 2: the initial run anyway, was Elf Quest by Wendy and
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Speaker 2: Richard Penny that originally launched back in nineteen seventy eight,
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Speaker 2: which tells you that I'm old. But I had the
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Speaker 2: full original run of those comics, which at the time
17:52
Speaker 2: the first issue was published, I forget under what label.
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Speaker 2: It was like an underground comics label. And then all
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Speaker 2: the rest in that run were published on Warp Comics
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Speaker 2: or Warp Graphics, and I had all of those. They
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Speaker 2: would eventually republish that run under Marvel and then again
18:10
Speaker 2: later republish it again under DC, so it had runs
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Speaker 2: under multiple publishers, but I had the original selection of those.
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Speaker 2: I had most of the early issues of Howard the Duck,
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Speaker 2: and I collected a comic book called What The which
18:30
Speaker 2: was a joke comic book. It was published by Marvel
18:35
Speaker 2: or Marvel Comics, according to What The and it was
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Speaker 2: just filled with satire about comic books and parodies of
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Speaker 2: comic books. Spider Ham, the Spectacular spider Ham came out
18:48
Speaker 2: of What The Grew the Wanderer I had. I had
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Speaker 2: tons of Grew comic books by Sergio Araganez, who also
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Speaker 2: was an artist for Mad magazine, and then and you know,
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Speaker 2: I talked about the Death of Superman and the Killing Joke,
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Speaker 2: and Death in the Family. I had all of those
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Speaker 2: bone which you mentioned. I had that one as well,
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Speaker 2: and I had the mini series, the eight ish U
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Speaker 2: mini series of myth Adventures by Phil Folio, based off
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Speaker 2: the first novel in the myth Adventures series by Robert Asprin.
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Speaker 2: So those are the ones I can recall as owning
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Speaker 2: when I was a kid, and I didn't collect I
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Speaker 2: haven't been collecting comics in my adult life at all,
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Speaker 2: So that's the extent of it.
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Speaker 1: A lot of the comics in our collection are kind
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Speaker 1: of the darker ones, things like Watchmen. I think we've
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Speaker 1: got a lot of a lot of fun, happy ones,
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Speaker 1: like some really fun Spider Man ones, trying to get
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Speaker 1: the teenage Mutant, Ninja Turtle, Omnibuses. We've got Buffy, the
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Speaker 1: Buffy comics, some of them they kind of went off
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Speaker 1: the rails.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they got a little dark too.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but we I have a lot of real dark
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Speaker 1: stuff like The Walking Dead or trans Metropolitan or Watchmen
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Speaker 1: or things like that. I you know, I think my
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Speaker 1: husband even owns Yeah, he owns some Preacher and that
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Speaker 1: is just not my style of story, you know. And
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Speaker 1: albeit some of them are darker than others. I'd say
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Speaker 1: that trans Metropolitan is not as dark as some of
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Speaker 1: the other ones, although it is very satirical, you know.
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Speaker 1: So I tend to like the lighter, funner stuff. I
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Speaker 1: like a lot of Spider Man because it's fun. I
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Speaker 1: like a lot of like crossover Infinite Universe type stuff
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Speaker 1: the sixteen oh two. I like Saga and Bone and
20:44
Speaker 1: Umbrella Academy and things like that. Those are those those ones. Obviously,
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Speaker 1: I've gotten into Umbrella Academy and Saga more recently because
20:52
Speaker 1: they're I say they're recent. They probably are not that recent,
20:55
Speaker 1: they're more recent to me.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And then, you know, I love a lot of comic
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Speaker 1: book stuff that I've never actually read the comic for,
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Speaker 1: like Read. I love the movie Read, which is about
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Speaker 1: a bunch of Richard.
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Speaker 2: All Right retired Secret Service or CIA or KGB and
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Speaker 2: all this kind of stuff who are all retired who
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Speaker 2: kind of kind of still are all badasses even though
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Speaker 2: they aren't active in service anymore.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I should be like there are so many
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Speaker 1: times I'm like, oh, this is a comic book movie,
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Speaker 1: I'll probably like it, and then I have full intentions
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Speaker 1: of reading the comic, and I only do about half
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Speaker 1: the time. I have read Scott Pilgrim, and I did
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Speaker 1: read the first two television series worth of the comic
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Speaker 1: of Walking Dead, even though I knew that one was dark.
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Speaker 1: Somehow easier to read than watch.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I when I was a teenager, I read probably
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Speaker 2: the first dozen or maybe first twenty issues of Sandman
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Speaker 2: Neil Gaiman's Sandman comic, but fell off since then and
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Speaker 2: I haven't watched the the series yet. Justice League International
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Speaker 2: and Justice League Europe were titles I would read when
22:07
Speaker 2: I was over at a friend's house. He had all
22:09
Speaker 2: those and I would just kind of flip through them
22:11
Speaker 2: and read them. And those were weird because it was
22:14
Speaker 2: an era of time where like these were both spin
22:16
Speaker 2: offs of Justice League America right, and Justice League International
22:21
Speaker 2: and Justice League Europe both had way more humor in
22:24
Speaker 2: them than Justice League America did. In fact, Justice League
22:28
Speaker 2: International at some points was essentially a comedy comic book,
22:33
Speaker 2: and I really those really appealed to me because I
22:37
Speaker 2: liked the tone a lot. I liked how playful and
22:39
Speaker 2: silly they were. I'm not sure how hardcore comic book
22:45
Speaker 2: fans took it, but I thought they were really entertaining,
22:49
Speaker 2: and it was always hard for me to take comic
22:51
Speaker 2: books really seriously, which I know is a very kind
22:54
Speaker 2: of elitist, snobby way to look at it, but you
22:58
Speaker 2: have to remember, like when I was young, I went
23:01
Speaker 2: straight from reading children like literally children's books books for
23:05
Speaker 2: like while you're learning to read, to go straight to
23:10
Speaker 2: fantasy novels that were meant for younger audiences, things like
23:14
Speaker 2: The Hobbit and the Tar and Wanderer series and myth
23:19
Speaker 2: Adventures and Zanth Peers Anthony's novels, which have so many
23:25
Speaker 2: problematic elements to them. But you know, I went straight
23:29
Speaker 2: to reading those that like I did. The comic books
23:33
Speaker 2: didn't appeal to me because I liked the rich language
23:37
Speaker 2: you would find in these fantasy novels, and I was
23:39
Speaker 2: a fantasy kid. I was not a science fiction kid,
23:42
Speaker 2: but I like the rich narratives of the fantasy novels
23:45
Speaker 2: where you would imagine all the things, whereas comic books,
23:49
Speaker 2: I felt like, well, you don't have to imagine anything.
23:52
Speaker 2: All the pictures are there, and there's not the space
23:55
Speaker 2: to be as florid with your language. You could argue
23:59
Speaker 2: that that actually makes it far more difficult because you
24:01
Speaker 2: have less space to tell a story, so you need
24:04
Speaker 2: to be very economical with your words. But it didn't
24:07
Speaker 2: appeal to me the way fantasy novels did.
24:11
Speaker 1: So I think I'm in the same boat like comics,
24:14
Speaker 1: even though I, like I said, I read them in
24:16
Speaker 1: Disney Adventures. But they were definitely a as I grew up,
24:21
Speaker 1: sort of a thing that I got into, even though
24:24
Speaker 1: I liked the stories. Again because also I went from reading,
24:28
Speaker 1: you know, kids books to reading books like The Hobbit
24:33
Speaker 1: or you know, The Rolling Stones by Heinlen or Time
24:37
Speaker 1: for the Stars even and other fantasy and sci fi stuff.
24:42
Speaker 1: You know, I'd go into the library and look for
24:44
Speaker 1: Asimov stories, which, let me tell you, it was a
24:47
Speaker 1: rude awakening when I learned that Hindline and Asimov we're
24:50
Speaker 1: not all for kids, because they write some really good
24:52
Speaker 1: young adult stuff.
24:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Hyland writes some really messed up stuff.
24:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I didn't know that. The two books that
24:59
Speaker 1: I read of his, like my intro to him, I
25:01
Speaker 1: was like, oh, those are lovely. They were both great stories.
25:04
Speaker 2: So what's what's funny is that Ariel and I Ariel
25:07
Speaker 2: and I have appeared in a radio adaptation of one
25:10
Speaker 2: of Hyland's works that is truly messed up. And uh,
25:16
Speaker 2: and I feel complicit.
25:19
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, in fact, we performed it at his centennial.
25:25
Speaker 2: I think, I think you're right.
25:27
Speaker 1: Weren't you there? Yeah?
25:29
Speaker 2: Was that the one that was like in yeah, I
25:31
Speaker 2: was saying Missouri, Yeah, yeah.
25:33
Speaker 1: Kansas City, Missouri is lovely. There's a train museum and
25:36
Speaker 1: lots of pretty fountains. That's what I remember of it,
25:40
Speaker 1: other than us performing there. No, I do like comics.
25:43
Speaker 1: I just nowadays like a lot of my comic or
25:48
Speaker 1: at least for a while, a lot of my comic
25:50
Speaker 1: introduction was I have friends come visit us, because you know,
25:53
Speaker 1: my house is at least used to be before the pandemic,
25:56
Speaker 1: a revolving door. Friends. Uh, And they would bring, Oh,
25:59
Speaker 1: I found this really cool comic, here's some issues of it,
26:02
Speaker 1: and then you know, we'd all sit down and read
26:04
Speaker 1: them throughout the week. So that's that's how I've stayed
26:08
Speaker 1: up to date with comics a lot.
26:11
Speaker 2: My interest in comics really got kind of like reignited
26:16
Speaker 2: by the various comic book movies. I mean, I'm not
26:18
Speaker 2: going to name them because the strike still on, but
26:22
Speaker 2: like various movies would come out and I'd think, Huh,
26:25
Speaker 2: I wonder if this story ever played out in the comics,
26:29
Speaker 2: and if so, how is it different? And I would
26:32
Speaker 2: look into it, but not to the extent of actually
26:35
Speaker 2: going and buying comics. I did. At one point Amazon
26:38
Speaker 2: had a thing where they were not Amazon, but like
26:42
Speaker 2: there was like a comic book app and it had
26:45
Speaker 2: this thing where that was like Free Comic Book Day,
26:47
Speaker 2: and I just ended up getting like thirty or forty
26:51
Speaker 2: different comic books for free. I have not read through
26:53
Speaker 2: all of them, but I remember I did get a
26:55
Speaker 2: ton of Black Panther comics and started reading those, and
26:57
Speaker 2: those were quite quite entertaining. Also, Moonnight, I read some
27:02
Speaker 2: Moonnight comics and those were really good too.
27:04
Speaker 1: Yeah. I will say like I'm more likely to sit
27:07
Speaker 1: down with a comic book now. I haven't read. I've
27:11
Speaker 1: been reading like I've been trying to get through The
27:13
Speaker 1: Talisman and the Color of Magic for the last seven years,
27:18
Speaker 1: just because I do so much editing and I do
27:21
Speaker 1: so much script reading that a comic book is a
27:23
Speaker 1: lot easier for me to digest. I still love reading,
27:26
Speaker 1: but it's just finding the time to when I sit
27:29
Speaker 1: down with a book, I need time to invest in
27:32
Speaker 1: it and sit and really get involved in the story.
27:35
Speaker 1: If I can only read a couple pages, it's not
27:36
Speaker 1: going to grip me. I'm not going to like reading
27:39
Speaker 1: two pages of a book is not rewarding to me,
27:41
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to go back to it. So
27:42
Speaker 1: I just I really need the time. A comic book
27:44
Speaker 1: is a lot easier to read a couple pages and
27:46
Speaker 1: then pick up again later.
27:48
Speaker 2: Yeah that's true. And you know, again, like my snobby
27:53
Speaker 2: attitude aside, I don't think that comic books are a
27:57
Speaker 2: lesser form of art. I do think it takes a
28:01
Speaker 2: great deal of skill to write and to illustrate comic books,
28:05
Speaker 2: and that you can have really gripping stories. It's clear
28:08
Speaker 2: that you can have gripping stories because there are storylines
28:12
Speaker 2: that people still talk about years after the comic came out,
28:16
Speaker 2: and whether for good or ill right, whether or not
28:19
Speaker 2: people look back on that and say, wow, that was
28:21
Speaker 2: really a turning point or gosh, it really went downhill
28:26
Speaker 2: because of this. But you know, you can't really have
28:29
Speaker 2: those discussions unless the actual material has an impact in
28:33
Speaker 2: the first place, and clearly it does. I mean the
28:36
Speaker 2: fact that every other movie that comes out now is
28:38
Speaker 2: somehow related to comic books tells you that it has
28:42
Speaker 2: that impact. It's just that again, I was just never
28:45
Speaker 2: like the collector type, but I could appreciate it, but
28:50
Speaker 2: it just I guess it was one of those things
28:52
Speaker 2: where I wanted to save my allowance money for other stuff.
28:57
Speaker 2: I mean, it's funny. Like the way I even got
28:59
Speaker 2: started with Howard Duck is because I was at a
29:03
Speaker 2: science fiction convention. They had a lip sync competition which
29:08
Speaker 2: I entered with my dad, and we did a lip
29:11
Speaker 2: sync routine to a song by Ray Stevens and we
29:16
Speaker 2: won first place, which was a like a one hundred
29:19
Speaker 2: dollars gift certificate to a local comic book shop. And
29:23
Speaker 2: this was not in the city that we lived in.
29:25
Speaker 2: So I was like, well, I guess we're going tomorrow
29:28
Speaker 2: because we leave at the end of the day, so
29:31
Speaker 2: we need to go and do this, and and I
29:34
Speaker 2: didn't know what to buy. So the comic book shop
29:37
Speaker 2: they had like some computer games, like it was the
29:39
Speaker 2: old old days of computer games where you would find
29:42
Speaker 2: them in things like hobby stores. So I bought a
29:44
Speaker 2: few computer games that were mostly garbage, and then I
29:48
Speaker 2: still had money. So I was like, I guess, I
29:51
Speaker 2: guess I'll get some comics. And I found Howard the
29:53
Speaker 2: Duck and I started picking those out and the guy
29:55
Speaker 2: was like, oh man, I put those in the wrong
29:58
Speaker 2: ben those are supposed to be you know, you know,
30:01
Speaker 2: five dollars or something like they were in the normal
30:03
Speaker 2: like seventy five cents or whatever. So oh, that's okay,
30:06
Speaker 2: you can charge the He's like, no, no, no, you
30:07
Speaker 2: found them in that one, I'll charge you that. I'm like, no,
30:10
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get rid of money.
30:15
Speaker 1: That's awesome. You're you're the best customer, you know. I
30:21
Speaker 1: hope this doesn't diminish our geek cred with our listeners.
30:26
Speaker 1: I am really interested for everybody who listens to this
30:29
Speaker 1: episode to pop in Discord or email us or whatever
30:32
Speaker 1: your favorite. And this isn't me wrapping up, because I
30:34
Speaker 1: do want to ask you about one more thing not
30:36
Speaker 1: comic related, Jonathan sure, end, but I am really interested
30:40
Speaker 1: for any listeners out there to tell us what comics
30:42
Speaker 1: you like, you know, and if they aren't all the
30:46
Speaker 1: ones that you do like. So if they are Marvel
30:48
Speaker 1: or DC regular material, that's great, but if they're different
30:51
Speaker 1: or something new or unique. That's super awesome too, because
30:55
Speaker 1: you know, I love adding things to my list for
30:59
Speaker 1: when I eventually do read.
31:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean I think there might be a
31:05
Speaker 2: couple of other, like like independent comics that I read
31:09
Speaker 2: over time, like I want to say, I had The
31:11
Speaker 2: Max for a while, and some other stuff that's along
31:14
Speaker 2: those lines. But I really I really dig the whole
31:17
Speaker 2: underground comic book scene too, because obviously, like you have
31:22
Speaker 2: the the big gatekeeper companies of like Marvel and DC,
31:27
Speaker 2: but there's a lot more that's out there too.
31:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some comic that's like The Lumber James, which
31:36
Speaker 1: I think is a like a more indie sort of
31:40
Speaker 1: a comic about girls at a Scout camp that fight
31:44
Speaker 1: supernatural creatures and it's kind of very literary based from
31:48
Speaker 1: my understanding, that like is high on my list to read.
31:52
Speaker 1: So okay, So the last thing I wanted to ask
31:56
Speaker 1: you about was MIAW Wolf if you want to share.
32:01
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah. So one of the things I did
32:03
Speaker 2: in Las Vegas before I came down with COVID, and
32:07
Speaker 2: I will not go into how I feel about that,
32:11
Speaker 2: is I went to the Meowolf installation Omega mart In
32:16
Speaker 2: Las Vegas and Ariel, you've done this one too, right, Yes.
32:19
Speaker 1: It's the only Mao Wolf installation I've done, which is
32:22
Speaker 1: why I keep calling it Meowolf instead of a Mega
32:25
Speaker 1: Mart is because my brain it's interchangeable. It's the only
32:28
Speaker 1: one I've done.
32:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Meowolf is an artist collective. If you're not
32:32
Speaker 2: familiar with them, you should totally look them up because
32:35
Speaker 2: they do some really creative, funky stuff and they've done
32:42
Speaker 2: a lot of work in immersive art where you, as
32:46
Speaker 2: a participant, become part of the whole art experience. And
32:52
Speaker 2: so the Omega Mart experience in Las Vegas is presented
32:56
Speaker 2: as the front end is an odd and very odd
33:01
Speaker 2: little grocery store, and if you start looking at any
33:04
Speaker 2: of the products, you're like, wow, these things are weird.
33:08
Speaker 2: It is a wackadoodle grocery store selling all sorts of
33:12
Speaker 2: strange products. And if you pay attention, you'll see like,
33:16
Speaker 2: there are TVs inside the grocery store that are running
33:20
Speaker 2: video loops, and some of them are a little like
33:24
Speaker 2: almost like Lovecraftian in how strange they are. And if
33:29
Speaker 2: you explore, you can discover that there are various pathways
33:35
Speaker 2: that lead you to the back of the store. Some
33:38
Speaker 2: of them lead you into an employee's only kind of area,
33:42
Speaker 2: like in a break room and stuff. Other areas will
33:46
Speaker 2: be like a set up like a little desert community,
33:49
Speaker 2: and there's one that's set up like a big factory
33:51
Speaker 2: floor and offices connected to the factory, and you start
33:56
Speaker 2: to uncover a weird, somewhat supernatural mystery that is related
34:05
Speaker 2: to the family that runs the grocery store that owns
34:08
Speaker 2: like this chain of grocery stores, and there's all sorts
34:12
Speaker 2: of components to it, like there's a mystical power. There's
34:16
Speaker 2: a child who appears to have been at least partly
34:21
Speaker 2: the product of this mystical power, interacting with a woman
34:24
Speaker 2: and making her pregnant. There's the fact that that woman
34:28
Speaker 2: has an incredibly ambitious desire to lead the company, like
34:33
Speaker 2: to the point where she comes across as like almost
34:35
Speaker 2: like a cartoonish villain in some of the parts. But
34:39
Speaker 2: the story is told through all these different disparate elements
34:43
Speaker 2: throughout the entirety of the installation, and you get out
34:48
Speaker 2: of it what you put into it. So you've got
34:49
Speaker 2: to spend a whole lot of time thumbing through documents
34:53
Speaker 2: and watching little video clips and reading emails and even unlocking. Yeah,
35:00
Speaker 2: you can get to a point where you're actually able
35:02
Speaker 2: to access folders and files that previously have been locked
35:06
Speaker 2: away from you, but you have to actually go through
35:09
Speaker 2: the whole process to get to that point. And this
35:14
Speaker 2: is both good and bad. It's good in that it's
35:16
Speaker 2: incredibly engrossing and it's really interesting. It's bad for two reasons. One,
35:22
Speaker 2: it takes a very long time to go through if
35:24
Speaker 2: you don't know what you're doing right because you're exploring,
35:27
Speaker 2: you don't know to go, Oh, I need to go
35:30
Speaker 2: here to do this one thing, and then that's going
35:33
Speaker 2: to progress me further in the story. And related to
35:37
Speaker 2: that is if it's busy. The other part of the
35:40
Speaker 2: problem is that if it's busy, then you have a
35:44
Speaker 2: you can feel pressure to have to move on so
35:46
Speaker 2: that someone else can at least get some of the
35:49
Speaker 2: experience of doing whatever it was you were doing at
35:51
Speaker 2: that moment, which means you're not going to get all
35:54
Speaker 2: the information you need to move the story forward.
35:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they do. I right into the issue and
36:00
Speaker 1: it wasn't super busy when I went because I went
36:03
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one. Because I was there My husband
36:06
Speaker 1: was traveling for work and I went with him and
36:09
Speaker 1: we were all masked and vaccinated and all that. But
36:12
Speaker 1: it wasn't very busy, thankfully at the time. But we
36:15
Speaker 1: still had to wait because there were certain things that
36:17
Speaker 1: were like very popular and just took a while to
36:20
Speaker 1: go through and everybody wanted to do them. Did you
36:23
Speaker 1: get to the part where there were a bunch of
36:25
Speaker 1: mailboxes with letters in them? Yes, okay, because there was
36:28
Speaker 1: one letter. I took a picture of it because I
36:30
Speaker 1: was like, this person has got to write to welcome
36:33
Speaker 1: for Nightvale. Got to write for welcome to night Vale.
36:36
Speaker 1: When they were talking about under Mallers.
36:39
Speaker 2: I don't know that I saw that one, but I
36:42
Speaker 2: know we did go through like a lot of letters
36:44
Speaker 2: in those mailboxes, but I don't remember under Mallers.
36:48
Speaker 1: Okay, I want to read it because you'll abuse if
36:50
Speaker 1: you're worried about Meowolf spoilers, tune out for like the
36:54
Speaker 1: next seventy five seconds. It says, do you hear Dwellers?
36:58
Speaker 1: At approximately midnight on ar third, a group of young
37:00
Speaker 1: people who called themselves under Mallers descended on our peaceful
37:03
Speaker 1: village to commit an illegal act of graffiti. On our
37:06
Speaker 1: treasured town Library. Phrases such as we love books and
37:09
Speaker 1: the libraries a treasured community asset were crudely scrawled onto
37:12
Speaker 1: the side of the building in garish neon spray paint.
37:15
Speaker 1: Please join us this Saturday for a cleanup day. Maria's
37:18
Speaker 1: Burrito Explosion will be providing breakfast, and please remember the
37:21
Speaker 1: library is a dot dot dot treasured community asset, so
37:24
Speaker 1: please consider donating to our fund drive and help us
37:27
Speaker 1: keep our building clean and free from the whims of
37:29
Speaker 1: young people. That is just straight out of a Night
37:32
Speaker 1: Veil episode.
37:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it does sound a lot like Nivelle's approach,
37:37
Speaker 2: especially to libraries, which are very dangerous places in the
37:40
Speaker 2: world of Night Veil. We might have actually have seen that.
37:43
Speaker 2: I don't remember. I didn't remember the under Mahler's term,
37:48
Speaker 2: but I do remember because I want to say that
37:51
Speaker 2: that was written by a woman character in the story
37:55
Speaker 2: who has like two or three letters, and she comes
37:58
Speaker 2: across as a very very much a busy body who
38:02
Speaker 2: is kind of enforcing her will on other members of
38:07
Speaker 2: the community.
38:08
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, they will. They do have people there, so
38:12
Speaker 1: this is a lot of fun. And they've got one
38:14
Speaker 1: in like Arizona, and one in Colorado, one in Great Vine, Texas.
38:17
Speaker 1: I keep hoping for one in Atlanta, where Jonathan and
38:20
Speaker 1: I are. But if you go, if you happen to
38:23
Speaker 1: find yourself at one of these installations, know that there
38:26
Speaker 1: are employees and workers there who if you ask them
38:30
Speaker 1: for help, they will give you hints. Because Tony and
38:34
Speaker 1: I walked around for like an hour and weren't sure
38:37
Speaker 1: what to do, and then as soon as we asked somebody,
38:40
Speaker 1: they gave us a hint and we were able to follow.
38:42
Speaker 1: But you kind of go in without any instructions, and yeah, yeah.
38:50
Speaker 2: I mean just exploring the grocery store part is pretty amusing.
38:55
Speaker 2: But I mean that's like the very tip of the
38:57
Speaker 2: iceberg as far as the content of the the installation goes.
39:02
Speaker 2: And there are also different tiers of participation as well,
39:08
Speaker 2: like you can add on like an employee, I cust
39:13
Speaker 2: identification card, which lets you interact with some of the
39:17
Speaker 2: screens and stuff in a way that tracks your progress
39:22
Speaker 2: as you go through, So it's not like you're having
39:24
Speaker 2: to perform as a guest every single time. But it
39:26
Speaker 2: is an ad all.
39:28
Speaker 1: I thought everybody got those.
39:29
Speaker 2: Not when I went. When I went if you if
39:31
Speaker 2: you got the basic ticket entry I think they had
39:35
Speaker 2: changed it not that long ago actually, but if you
39:37
Speaker 2: get the basic ticket, it does not include the company card.
39:44
Speaker 2: But I got the VIP tickets so that we would
39:48
Speaker 2: because the basic tickets have a specific time tied to it,
39:51
Speaker 2: you need to be there at that time in order
39:53
Speaker 2: to get entry into the installation. I got VIP which
39:58
Speaker 2: didn't you had to what day, but you can go
40:02
Speaker 2: at any time during the day. So I did that
40:05
Speaker 2: and that came with the corporate card thing. But yeah, no,
40:09
Speaker 2: they changed that, I want to say earlier this year
40:14
Speaker 2: where it's an add on now, but yeah, it's it's
40:17
Speaker 2: what lets you like when you interact with a computer terminal,
40:22
Speaker 2: it will like you can you can actually essentially save
40:26
Speaker 2: your progress and you can even do things like save
40:32
Speaker 2: files to your little profile, which means that you could
40:36
Speaker 2: watch them elsewhere. You don't have to just sit at
40:39
Speaker 2: the terminal, which is very helpful if you want to
40:41
Speaker 2: make sure you're freeing the space up for someone else
40:43
Speaker 2: to use. It is super neat, like there's very like
40:47
Speaker 2: it's a very weird, very night veil slash lovecraft, and
40:50
Speaker 2: it's in its tone like something is you can tell
40:54
Speaker 2: immediately that things are off just from the grocery store part,
40:58
Speaker 2: but the further you get in, the more you like, Wow,
41:00
Speaker 2: something's really messed up. It's got like extra terrestrial elements
41:04
Speaker 2: to it. But the joy of discovery is a big,
41:07
Speaker 2: big part of the appeal of the experience. So if
41:11
Speaker 2: you're someone who like there's some elements of escape room
41:14
Speaker 2: in it, although there's you can leave at any time,
41:16
Speaker 2: so it's not really an a scape room, but there's
41:18
Speaker 2: some elements of that. If you're into those kind of
41:21
Speaker 2: things and you know, sort of discovering through exploration and experimentation,
41:26
Speaker 2: it's totally something to try.
41:29
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And I will say like there were a
41:32
Speaker 1: lot of well not a lot because it was increwded,
41:34
Speaker 1: but there were kids there when I went, because I
41:36
Speaker 1: think the experience is very well built. There are a
41:40
Speaker 1: couple of things that I was like, oh, this would
41:41
Speaker 1: be scary if a kid saw it, but not much
41:43
Speaker 1: a lot of it. Like if you're a kid, you're
41:45
Speaker 1: going to run around playing with the music stuff and
41:47
Speaker 1: going downslides and touching walls, and if you're an adult
41:51
Speaker 1: then you might follow the story. So it's I feel
41:54
Speaker 1: like it's got a wide age range that can appreciate
41:56
Speaker 1: it too.
41:57
Speaker 2: Maybe not as wide now because at least when we
41:59
Speaker 2: were there, the slides were all blocked off.
42:02
Speaker 1: Oh no, that's the saddest.
42:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, you could, you can totally. I mean they were
42:07
Speaker 2: all still there, but they didn't. You couldn't access them,
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Speaker 2: and so I was like, wow, I wonder what happened.
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Speaker 1: Sad. Maybe maybe somebody vomited in one and they needed
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Speaker 1: to clean it up. I don't know.
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Speaker 2: Did you Did you do anything else in the area
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Speaker 2: fifteen complex besides the Omega Mart.
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Speaker 1: We walked around. There was like a fun game store
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Speaker 1: with like a Zoltan kind of a thing in it.
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Speaker 1: We looked at the cool art. There's a bunch of
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Speaker 1: really cool sculptures outside and took pictures of that. I
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Speaker 1: didn't do like the Burly Show. I didn't do the
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Speaker 1: movie experiences there, and I didn't eat there, but wandered
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Speaker 1: around and enjoyed it. It's a really interesting area, for sure.
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Speaker 2: We just ducked into the Omega Mart gifts store and
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Speaker 2: did a couple of We did some shopping for some
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Speaker 2: like souvenirs for friends and co workers and that kind
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Speaker 2: of thing, and then I was fading because you know,
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Speaker 2: Las Vegas is in the Pacific time zone and we're
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Speaker 2: in the Eastern time zone, and I was trying not
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Speaker 2: to get too adapted to Pacific time and it was
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Speaker 2: starting to get not not late there, but certainly late
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Speaker 2: by Eastern time standards, and I was like, I need
43:23
Speaker 2: to go back and lay down. So we did not
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Speaker 2: explore very.
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Speaker 1: Much, gotcha, I yeah, I. When I was there, you
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Speaker 1: just would actually pull stuff off of the shelves in
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Speaker 1: the Omega mart, like not everything was for sale, but
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Speaker 1: a lot of it was.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they they the same thing was true when we
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Speaker 2: were there, Like you could buy like if you wanted
43:44
Speaker 2: to get a box of cereal that had a very
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Speaker 2: weird name on it, you could.
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Speaker 1: Totally do that, but does not contain spiders.
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Speaker 2: Right right. I can't remember all the names of all
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Speaker 2: the different products. I took tons of pictures of them,
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Speaker 2: and there were lots of funny ones. But yeah, I
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Speaker 2: loved the experience. But yeah, the gift shop is more
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Speaker 2: of your standard stuff like T shirts and hats and
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Speaker 2: that kind of thing, as opposed to the products that
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Speaker 2: you encounter in the grocery store, which you can't actually
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Speaker 2: buy if you really, if you want to like the
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Speaker 2: one of the one of the products I just pulled
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Speaker 2: it up on my phone is it looks like a
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Speaker 2: big bottle of laundry detergent and the brand name is
44:27
Speaker 2: plausible deniability.
44:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's something about Like there was the Spider cereal,
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Speaker 1: which I hated. There was something about I can't It
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Speaker 1: was like, I can't believe it's not butter cleaning spray
44:39
Speaker 1: yes or something something to that effect. It wasn't quite
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Speaker 1: that and junk d or cereal and personalized bleach. You
44:45
Speaker 1: could not buy the personalized bleach sadly because that's what
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Speaker 1: I would have wanted. But yeah, it's a lot of fun.
44:55
Speaker 1: And thank you guys for listening to me talk about
44:57
Speaker 1: Jonathan or talk with Jonathan out of Mega Mark, because
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Speaker 1: I wanted to hear about his experience and I hadn't
45:03
Speaker 1: had a chance to chat with him yet. So you
45:04
Speaker 1: guys just got to enjoy it with me. That is
45:11
Speaker 1: all the time we have for today. That's all we've
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Speaker 1: got on our list to talk about. I think Jonathan
45:15
Speaker 1: am I right?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Cool. We do have other topics that you guys have suggested,
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Speaker 1: but I think they will be a longer conversation that
45:25
Speaker 1: we can get into in future episodes while we wait
45:28
Speaker 1: for the second after strike to resolve. But in the meantime, yes,
45:33
Speaker 1: please write us. We love hearing from you. How Jonathan,
45:38
Speaker 1: how can they it's been a while, I almost forgot.
45:40
Speaker 1: How can they do that?
45:42
Speaker 2: Well? The way you do it is you will go
45:44
Speaker 2: out to the desert and you'll take off your shoes
45:49
Speaker 2: and you'll walk as far as you can before the
45:51
Speaker 2: sand start to burn at your feet. You will sink
45:54
Speaker 2: to your knees, your head will bow. You will see
45:58
Speaker 2: droplets of sweat fall before your eyes, hissing against the
46:04
Speaker 2: sand and almost immediately evaporating. And when you turn your
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Speaker 2: eyes upward again, you'll see in front of you a
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Speaker 2: mysterious convenience store that has materialized out of the wastes
46:14
Speaker 2: of the desert. You will go inside, and as you
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Speaker 2: walk down the aisle, you will see to your left
46:23
Speaker 2: a row of cleaning spray called who told you this
46:27
Speaker 2: was butter? And you will look behind them, and as
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Speaker 2: you clear the bottles, you'll see my disembodied head, and
46:35
Speaker 2: I'll ask you what your question is?
46:37
Speaker 1: That is exceptionally frightening. Jonathan, Please don't lose your head,
46:42
Speaker 1: uh one of Oh jeez? Oh wait what? Oh no,
46:48
Speaker 1: it looks like it was attached to your body. You're
46:50
Speaker 1: giving me like some severe Wizard of Oz sequel vibes.
46:55
Speaker 1: I'm losing my mind a little bit. If you are
46:58
Speaker 1: also frightened to sanity by Jonathan losing his head, you
47:03
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47:11
Speaker 1: ner Drunk Collider. Our website is www dot Larger Drunk
47:15
Speaker 1: Collider dot com where I do post these episodes, but
47:19
Speaker 1: we don't have a lot of show notes right now,
47:21
Speaker 1: but there you can join the discord from our website.
47:25
Speaker 1: Also if you want to email us Where a Large
47:27
Speaker 1: neur Drum Pod at gmail dot com. I have a
47:30
Speaker 1: blue Sky account now, but I still need to set
47:35
Speaker 1: one up for a large neur drunk Collider when I
47:37
Speaker 1: can for anybody who's there. And yeah, that's it, so.
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Speaker 2: Until next time I have been Jonathan, just call me
47:49
Speaker 2: Princess Mombi Strickland.
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Speaker 1: Great, I love it and I am Ariel, Who, Where,
47:57
Speaker 1: when and why cast it?
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Speaker 2: The Large Nordron Collider was created by Ariel Caston and produced, edited, published, deleted, undeleted,
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Speaker 2: published again. Cursed at by Jonathan Strickland. Music by Kevin
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Speaker 2: McLeod of encomptech dot com