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SMNTY Classics: The Women of Urban Legends (Part 1) · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Sanny and Samantha.
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  Speaker 2: I'm welcome to Steff. I never told your precictional iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 3: And we we really jumped into the spooky season Halloween
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  Speaker 3: really early this year. It wasn't necessarily intentional. There was
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  Speaker 3: a lot of things that were happening via vacations and illness,
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  Speaker 3: ill wark.
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  Speaker 1: Trips and yes, book stuff and now Joey duty, Like
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  Speaker 1: there's just too much.
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  Speaker 3: There's jury duty potentially on the horizon. But yeah, so
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  Speaker 3: we jumped in and a lot of those things are
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  Speaker 3: perhaps terrifying and their own right our anxiety inducing also.
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  Speaker 2: But in looking back.
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  Speaker 3: Through our catalog, we have already rerun a lot of
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  Speaker 3: the horror episodes we've done, but I found too we haven't. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: and they are are Urban Legends Women Urban Legends two parter,
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  Speaker 3: so you're gonna get part one and then we'll get
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  Speaker 3: part two.
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  Speaker 2: Nice.
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  Speaker 3: I do think it would be fun to revisit these,
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  Speaker 3: because when we did these, it was hard to whittle
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  Speaker 3: down who we would talk about. But I also think
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  Speaker 3: there might be some newer ones we could discuss. I've
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  Speaker 3: seen some horror movies lately where I'm like, oh, is
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  Speaker 3: this a thing now?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, we need.
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  Speaker 4: To go back into the international stuff too.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I agree, I agree, And if listeners have any
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  Speaker 3: suggestions about who we could talk about.
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  Speaker 2: Please let us know.
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  Speaker 3: But in the meantime, enjoy this part one of our
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  Speaker 3: Women of Urban Legends. Hey, this is Annie and Samantha.
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  Speaker 3: I'm welcome to stephone Never Told You production of iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Annie, it is that season.
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  Speaker 4: We are heading towards the end of September today recording
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  Speaker 4: at the end of September. It's gonna be released in October.
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  Speaker 4: And we've been planning this episode for a minute. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: in anticipation for the spooky seasons, because we love the
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  Speaker 4: spooky season. And yeah, I need to know what is
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  Speaker 4: the most recent Halloween movie or scary movie you watched?
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  Speaker 3: So I've already started my repertoire. I have a big
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  Speaker 3: Halloween catalog that I have to work through. So last
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  Speaker 3: night I did. I feel like we've talked about this
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  Speaker 3: all the time. It sounds like we watch it NonStop.
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  Speaker 3: But I watched The Conjuring and The Conjuring too, I
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  Speaker 3: did recently before that, I watched Host the Zoom based.
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  Speaker 2: One and then Fair and Ellectivity one in two and
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  Speaker 2: I watched the New Candy Man.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, I feel like I'm always embarrassed because those
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  Speaker 3: are like ones I've talked about before, and I'm always
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  Speaker 3: trying to think of, like, what's a new one I
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  Speaker 3: could turn people onto. I haven't gotten to that point
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  Speaker 3: yet because I am trying to save, like I'm ready
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  Speaker 3: for October. I'm like going through some of the ones.
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  Speaker 3: I've seen a lot already, so I I'm just like, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: I've done it, but I haven't watched I don't think
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  Speaker 3: I've watched anything recently.
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  Speaker 2: What about you.
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  Speaker 4: I've been revisiting the classics. Yeah, I did watch Malignant.
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  Speaker 1: We talked about that. Oh yeah, watch Candy Man. We
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  Speaker 1: talked about that.
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  Speaker 4: We won't give any spoilers on any of those.
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  Speaker 1: I watched The Ruins for the first time.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and then I just rewatched Halloween because Halloween
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  Speaker 4: coming the original you know, Jamie Lee Curti is one
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  Speaker 4: of her first movies. Watched that, Yeah, and I was like, huh,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and Carrie, you have those girls, the same
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  Speaker 4: type of girls in each of these movies, and I
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  Speaker 4: really forget how they sound very similar to one another.
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  Speaker 1: And it had that moment like like.
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  Speaker 4: The giggling and the high pitched voices, which is not
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  Speaker 4: a bad thing, but it's just interesting how they played
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  Speaker 4: on this really hard in all those movies in those eras,
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  Speaker 4: so I thought that was interesting. I have gotten a
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  Speaker 4: copy of the Silent Hill, or Brother, I have gotten
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  Speaker 4: a copy of Silent Hill, So I am getting revved
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  Speaker 4: up to go to that. Oh yeah, yeah, I'm already like,
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  Speaker 4: who this is gonna be interesting. So yes, I'm getting
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  Speaker 4: ready for that because I've been trying to go through
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  Speaker 4: all of them.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm very picky in that. I don't want it
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  Speaker 1: to be too gruesome.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not huge, like murder of movies doesn't bother me
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  Speaker 4: necessarily the slasher films, but it would over the top,
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  Speaker 4: like just being gross in torture films. I don't love that,
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  Speaker 4: So that is something that I don't do. But because
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  Speaker 4: we love the horror season, we are going to jump
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  Speaker 4: right into it with some delightful stories of ghosts, goblins
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  Speaker 4: which is God's folklore, and some good haunts from around
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  Speaker 4: the world.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, and this was your idea, and I think you
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  Speaker 3: had it in like August, I told.
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  Speaker 1: You I was really ready for the season.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, she was very excited about it, like in August,
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  Speaker 3: so this is a long time coming, and it was
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  Speaker 3: a really fun one.
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  Speaker 2: It was a fun one to research. There are, like
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  Speaker 2: I guess content warning more than sugar warning.
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  Speaker 3: There are some dark and gruesome themes in here, but
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  Speaker 3: we're not gonna get I mean, it's urban legends essentially
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  Speaker 3: what we're talking about.
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  Speaker 2: Not the movie though, which I still haven't seen.
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  Speaker 3: And I will say combing through these because we have
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  Speaker 3: like a big list we were working off of, and
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  Speaker 3: I kind of bread over summaries of every one of them,
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  Speaker 3: and there were some common themes like immediately that popped
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  Speaker 3: out to me, like women who can shape shift into
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  Speaker 3: animals that was a big one, or who are in
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  Speaker 3: some way part animal, can control the weather and often water.
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  Speaker 3: Lots of themes around childbirth, child death, motherhood, and sexuality
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  Speaker 3: that probably surprises nobody. Lots of playing on societal fears,
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  Speaker 3: which we've talked about is kind of a big thing
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  Speaker 3: in horror anyway. A lot of morality tales, stories to
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  Speaker 3: keep the youth in line, like don't do something bad
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  Speaker 3: at school, kids, or this ghost will come get you.
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  Speaker 1: Or has perfect grades. Apparently it's one of the things.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, which is interesting.
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  Speaker 3: And if this is like really your jam, you can
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  Speaker 3: check out past episodes we've done on female monsters. We've
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  Speaker 3: done Banshees and Sucky Bye. I think even the Revenge
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  Speaker 3: women Revenge episodes could kind of fit in.
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  Speaker 4: Right, if you're like really into it and why women
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  Speaker 4: like monsters type of things, Yes, why women like monsters.
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  Speaker 3: I think we've even done one past hosted one on
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  Speaker 3: like vampires specifically serial killers. We've done Women to Killers
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  Speaker 3: and Women who Love serial Killers and then black.
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  Speaker 2: Widows serial Killers.
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  Speaker 3: But all of that being said, just like with a
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  Speaker 3: lot of those episodes, we tried to hunt down the
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  Speaker 3: best sources.
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  Speaker 2: But these are urban legends, like a lot of it.
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  Speaker 3: Depends on you oral retellings or just things like you
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  Speaker 3: can't quite confirm because it's just a story that people
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  Speaker 3: pass around. A lot of it is hearsay, and that's
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  Speaker 3: where some of the fun of it is. But just
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  Speaker 3: caveat on there, and I think, like we'll probably most
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  Speaker 3: of the time it's very clear, but for pretty much
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  Speaker 3: a majority of the urban legends, the like story that
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  Speaker 3: you tell, there's no proof of us late, so it's
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  Speaker 3: just a story people tell over and over again until
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  Speaker 3: you're convinced that it did happen, all right, But it.
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  Speaker 4: Also a reminder and each culture is different and there's
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  Speaker 4: typically more than one variations of these goes. We just
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  Speaker 4: chose like specific areas to talk about that type or
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  Speaker 4: that specific folklore. So yeah, and I think one of
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  Speaker 4: the more famous we will talk about it's a little
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  Speaker 4: bit about Bloody Mary.
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  Speaker 1: Essentially, there's a different forms of that all over the world.
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  Speaker 1: So just that as a reminder. So what you heard
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  Speaker 1: is obviously going to be different from what they heard,
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  Speaker 1: the type of.
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  Speaker 4: Thing, and yeah, most of them are not necessarily based
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  Speaker 4: on any truth, just kind of again, some kind of
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  Speaker 4: cautionary tale. So the information will we get take it
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  Speaker 4: with a grain of salt.
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  Speaker 1: But it was fun.
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  Speaker 4: Nonetheless, it was right and will be yes, because there's
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  Speaker 4: so many good stories and legends around the world.
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  Speaker 1: This will be a two parter.
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  Speaker 4: So Anie and I decided to go through this massive
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  Speaker 4: it I'm taking saying, like a massive list of different
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  Speaker 4: types of ghosts or haunts or folklore, and we took
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  Speaker 4: and picked out some of our favorites to talk about.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, here are some of our favorites. Let's let's start,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm going to start this one just because I
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  Speaker 4: was like, oh, yeah, I've seen.
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  Speaker 1: This, which is the Korean virgin ghost.
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  Speaker 4: Y'all. Man, I think it's only fitting that we start
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  Speaker 4: with the cautionary tale because this is about the poor
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  Speaker 4: young virgin. And yes, pretty much we're talking about the girls,
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  Speaker 4: although there is a version of the male virgin and
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  Speaker 4: what they have to do for them. But I don't
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  Speaker 4: see them haunting people from market. I know there has
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  Speaker 4: been some cultures that talk about the fact that they
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  Speaker 4: will curse the family, so like it's not about necessarily
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  Speaker 4: the ghost or the coming back of but that it
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  Speaker 4: curses the entire family.
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  Speaker 1: YadA, YadA, YadA. That's a whole curses YadA, YadA, YadA whatever.
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  Speaker 4: And yes, these are the young women who died with
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  Speaker 4: no purpose nor any meaning because they died tragedy of
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  Speaker 4: tragedies as single virgins.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no.
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  Speaker 4: So, according to old folklore and legends within the Korean culture,
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  Speaker 4: the many ghosts that exist in these areas are typically
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  Speaker 4: made up of young, unfulfilled women because they are not
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  Speaker 4: able to fulfill their responsibilities as a mother or a wife,
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  Speaker 4: and so I have resentment that makes them unable to
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  Speaker 4: move on.
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  Speaker 1: Into the peaceful afterlife.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very very important to be married apparently, and
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  Speaker 4: again this is very old legend, more so than currently
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  Speaker 4: we know. Things have changed, but this still exists in
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  Speaker 4: that they think, and I believe they're called qushians, which
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  Speaker 4: are the ghosts in Korean, So just so.
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  Speaker 1: You know, and if I have mispronounced that, I'm trying, y'all.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to be real Korean. It's hard.
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  Speaker 4: And if they appear to you, they are often seen
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  Speaker 4: in white hindbucks which is Korean traditional apparel called sobuk,
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  Speaker 4: which is specific to mourning attire, and of course their
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  Speaker 4: hair is down because they have to untie their hair
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  Speaker 4: as a sign that they were indeed never married, so
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  Speaker 4: the married women would have their hair tied up right.
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  Speaker 1: And sometimes when.
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  Speaker 4: They appear, they may be shedding tears of blood or
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  Speaker 4: covered in blood, so I don't know. I think that
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  Speaker 4: might be for the extra spook because none of these
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  Speaker 4: tales talk about them dying tragically as in like murdered
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  Speaker 4: or anything, just dying without purpose essentially, And often times
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  Speaker 4: when these ghosts appear, they may attack themselves onto young girls,
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  Speaker 4: which made those girls become resentful and unable to get
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  Speaker 4: married as well, in which it turns in two more sad.
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  Speaker 1: Ghosts, right, because that's how it goes.
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  Speaker 4: And of course, how does one keep from being haunted
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  Speaker 4: by a bitter, unfulfilled virgin ghost. Well, according to the Wikipedia,
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  Speaker 4: part of how to stop this ghost, all tradishes may
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  Speaker 4: include taking quote dolls emphasizing the male genitalia which were
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  Speaker 4: made of straw and put it in a coffin, or
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  Speaker 4: dolls dressed in men's clothing, and then bury upside down
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  Speaker 4: so you turn them so that they really can't come out.
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  Speaker 4: Then thorns were placed around the coffin and buried. The
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  Speaker 4: reason for putting a mal doll emphasizing the genitals in
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  Speaker 4: a coffin or wearing men's clothes is to comfort them
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  Speaker 4: for making contact with men even after they die, and
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  Speaker 4: burying the coffins upside down is to block the virgin
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  Speaker 4: ghost from coming out.
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  Speaker 1: Thoroughly. This is thoroughly at the end. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: why this is all the.
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  Speaker 4: Quote from that, so they have a big plans on
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  Speaker 4: how you do this, And of course yes, this is
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  Speaker 4: also one of those cautionary tales of this is what
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  Speaker 4: happens to unlucky women who can't give the husbands. And
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  Speaker 4: you don't want to become this ghost, so you need
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  Speaker 4: to go find your man so you your life will
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  Speaker 4: be fulfilled. Of course, I don't think anyone clings to that.
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  Speaker 4: And apparently there's towns and areas where they have ghost festivals.
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  Speaker 4: Oh interesting in Korea, and you can visit these areas
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  Speaker 4: as well. In some of these like rituals, I think
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  Speaker 4: they do in order to keep the ghosts from coming
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  Speaker 4: to them or at them.
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  Speaker 2: So there you go, there you go. That's interesting.
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  Speaker 3: I mean again, yeah, that those are fears we've talked
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  Speaker 3: about of like you know, the single lady ending up alone,
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  Speaker 3: the spinster, how dreadful, how sad?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I also find it interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Like the male doll, the male genitalia, like very heteronormative.
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  Speaker 4: Or oh absolutely again you're also supposed to have children.
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  Speaker 2: Ah, yes, he's a great Yes.
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  Speaker 3: All right, let's talk about the legend of Madam Koi Koi,
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  Speaker 3: the story of the ghost who haunts boarding schools that
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  Speaker 3: is popular in Nigeria, South Africa and Ghana that originated
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  Speaker 3: in the nineties. Okay, so there are yes, like you said, Samantha.
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  Speaker 3: There are a few stories about Madame Koi Koi. One
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  Speaker 3: of the most popular ones goes that Madame Koi Koi
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  Speaker 3: was a beautiful teacher at a secondary boarding school, often
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  Speaker 3: told as an all girls boarding school. Specifically, her shoes
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  Speaker 3: of choice were these red heels that would make a
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  Speaker 3: sound like Koi as she walked. Madame Koi Koi was
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  Speaker 3: a cruel teacher, often abusing students for no reason. As
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  Speaker 3: the story goes, the students despised her. Eventually, she was
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  Speaker 3: fired after she slapped a female student and damaged her ear.
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  Speaker 3: After this, Madame koy Coy left in a fury and
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  Speaker 3: on her way home, died in an accident, but not
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  Speaker 3: before she promised to get revenge on her ex students.
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  Speaker 3: It didn't take long at all before students reported hearing
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  Speaker 3: the core of her heels roaming the halls and toilets
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  Speaker 3: at night. In another version of the tale, her own
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  Speaker 3: students bound and gagged her as she was leaving one
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  Speaker 3: day and beat her to death. The students involved were
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  Speaker 3: picked off one by one until only one remained, who
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  Speaker 3: swore he could hear the clicking of her heels. No
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  Speaker 3: one believed him, and he was found dead soon after
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  Speaker 3: the school closed and the other students transferred, spreading the
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  Speaker 3: legend with them. And yes, it probably goes without saying,
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  Speaker 3: but again this has never been verified with truth them
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  Speaker 3: and almost certainly is firmly an urban legend and nothing more.
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  Speaker 3: But still the urban legend persists is very popular. In
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  Speaker 3: another version, students decide to play a prank on Madame
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  Speaker 3: koy Koi and locked her in a cupboard, one red
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  Speaker 3: heel falling off as she was dragged into this cupboard
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  Speaker 3: where she was forgotten about and died. She was pregnant
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  Speaker 3: at the time, and as she thought of her child dying,
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  Speaker 3: she swore to get revenge on all the students who
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  Speaker 3: locked her in the cupboard, that they would know what
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  Speaker 3: it was like to be locked in the dark, dying and.
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  Speaker 2: Screaming with no one to hear you.
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  Speaker 3: In this version, you only hear the clicking of one
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  Speaker 3: high heel. When you hear her, You're supposed to close
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  Speaker 3: your eyes until the sound passes, or you will end
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  Speaker 3: up in the cupboard next to her, locked in clawing
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  Speaker 3: at the door with no one to hear you. Many
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  Speaker 3: similar stories do exist, sometimes with different names. Madame Moke
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  Speaker 3: and Ghana, Miss Concoco in Tanzania, Pinky Pinky in South Africa.
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  Speaker 3: But all they all kind of involve a vengeful teacher
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  Speaker 3: that serves to keep students in line from going out
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  Speaker 3: past curfew.
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  Speaker 2: Again, these kind of like morality tales and Ghana.
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  Speaker 3: One story goes that she was a teacher at a
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  Speaker 3: school with some troublesome students. One day, she took off
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  Speaker 3: one of her heels while running after a student, waving
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  Speaker 3: them in the air.
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  Speaker 2: She chased him across the street.
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  Speaker 3: She didn't see the car coming and it rammed into her,
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  Speaker 3: killing her instantly, sending the red heel flying. The ghost
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  Speaker 3: takes the form of a single red shoe, screaming where
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  Speaker 3: is my shoe? To what you're supposed to respond, madam
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  Speaker 3: hih and she'll leave you alone. These are the kinds
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  Speaker 3: of things I would do, even if I didn't like
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  Speaker 3: really believe it, I would still do it because I
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  Speaker 3: don't want to take the risk exactly.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, we take these cautionary tales and are like, okay,
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  Speaker 4: so what is the solution?
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  Speaker 1: Is there a solution? Okay?
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  Speaker 2: Now we know.
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  Speaker 1: Now I want to fight you exactly.
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  Speaker 3: I need to be prepared and Meanwhile, South Africa's version
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  Speaker 3: Pinky Pinky targets girls specifically, and specifically on top of that,
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  Speaker 3: girls wearing pink underwears threatening to rape them. The creature,
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  Speaker 3: often impartment, part woman, part animal, is invisible to boys,
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  Speaker 3: only girls can see her. People have actually looked into
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  Speaker 3: the origins of this one and why it impacts only girls,
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  Speaker 3: and they suspected us to do with the disappearance of
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  Speaker 3: girls in the area and the dangerous girl's face, and
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  Speaker 3: or that the myth was created to keep girls inside
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  Speaker 3: and off the streets.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, that's Madam koy KOI.
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  Speaker 3: If any of listeners know any versions of any of
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  Speaker 3: these stories we're talking about, please write in yes, I.
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  Speaker 1: Would love that.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, So now since we've heard man, we've gone through
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  Speaker 4: different countries already. I love it, and we're going to
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  Speaker 4: hop over to the wonderful highlands and we're looking at
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  Speaker 4: the legend of.
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  Speaker 1: A very vampire sucubus.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, there are so many things this what a
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  Speaker 4: wonderful combo. And to be honest, after reading some of these,
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, if I were to be a scary like
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: legend or folklore, if I turned into one of these miraculously.
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: This is the one I think I choose. It pretty fantastic.
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, okay, okay, I can do this. So
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: let's get into this terrifyingly wonderful creature, the bovin sea
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: or the fairy woman in Scottish Gaelic, also known as
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: the bab and Chi or the white woman of the Highlands.
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: I guess so according to some is that she is
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: the woman in white for this and by the way,
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: we're gonna talk a little more about other women in
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: white and other cultures, but also she is seen in green.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: And sometimes in these tales, so it kind of goes
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: different variations apparently.
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: But this is a type of white women who kind
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: of you know, prays on men essentially. But for these
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: beautiful creatures. They are described, yes, as beautiful enchantresses that
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: typically prey on hunters who either stray from the path
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: after dark or make the unfortunate wish of a female
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: companionship in the woods after dark. Yeah, huge mistake, dude,
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: don't do this. And due to the blood often on
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: the hunters after a kill, that attracts these specific fairy
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: vampires so many things. But unlike vampires, though they do
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: feed off the blood of the individual. They don't bite
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: into them. They actually have sharp talents that come out
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: that they rip into them essentially and drink and feed
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: from them in that way. And you will often not
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: see this until they are too close to you. Apparently
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: in some of the legends, they also have horse hoofs
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: or like some type of hoofs as feet, but is
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: often covered up by the dress, so you never see
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: it until it's too late, obviously, And they according to
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: some of the legends, they do feed off some women,
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: but it's very very rare. And when they do this
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: to the women, it actually turns the women into yes,
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: Bob and sea, so they create more having women. And
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: of course they don't just attack, Oh no, they are
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: true tetesses. And they entice the men by getting them
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: to dam with them and putting them under a sort
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: of trance.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: So they have a power.
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: Like they're very good influencing men and enticing and seducing men.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: And yeah, like I said, they.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: Have a lot of powers, including as you talked about
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: shape shifting. Yes, they can turn into different shapes and
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: more often than not likely to shift into wolves, which
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: is even better.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, there we are cool and.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: Although according to legend, it does weaken them to be
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: in this type.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Of form because they would rather be fairies.
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: Apparently you can do trances and all of that wobbing
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: a fairy only, but it helps them to get away
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: and attack and change shapes obviously. And yet, and according
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: to some of the legends, they like to travel impacts.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: They sleep underground in a coffin during the day and
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: some of them don't even come out except for once
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: a year and can only be found in the woods.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: And the way to repel them.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: Apparently they don't like iron, and I've learned this from
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: supernatural people. Apparently supernat creatures don't like either iron or silver.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: I need to find both of those.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Salt also, salt.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Salt is the.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: Thing, but I haven't seen that mentioned in any of these. Yeah, sorry,
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: sorry supernaturally.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: That's true. It's true.
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: So yeah, I found these creatures really fascinating and the
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: artwork for them are really beautiful.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: It's kind of one of those like, yep, there it is.
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: But yeah, so this is the very Sucubus vampire for
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: y'all to know if you go ever into Scotland hunting alone.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure alone. I love it. I love it.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: I'm glad to know that you have a preferred fairy
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: tale monster you'd like to turn into.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, like, I feel like if I had to
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: choose one, that would be the one. I think it's pretty.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: Good, it's pretty solid. Now let's hop over to another
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: part of the world and discuss La your Rona, the
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: weeping woman that often haunts rivers at night, who is
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: scared generations and has featured in books, TV shows, and
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: multiple movies. And yes, this is also a kind of
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: another take on the Woman in White, which we have. Yeah,
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: like you said, quite a few in here. The story
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: of La Eurona originated hundreds of years ago somewhere in
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: Latin America or Mexico, where that story is still popularly told.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: Just as everything else we've discussed, there are a lot
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: of versions of this legend. At its cored involves a
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: mother who killed or are lost I guess her children,
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: but usually killed usually by drowning, and after that was
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: filled with heartbreak and regret over it, drowning herself in
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: grief literally not like just crying, but like actually drowning
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: herself or sometimes simply dying of grief. The reason she
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: did this varies killed her children from catching her rich
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: husband cheating and killing their children in a fit of ridge,
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: discovering her child when are illegitimate and killing them to
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: prevent the wife from taking them away, or even killing
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: them as a way to be with a man she loves,
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: but he rejects her, so she takes her own life.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: After that, because of what she did, she is trapped
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: in purgatory until she finds her children. A lot of
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: the stories say she goes to the gates of heaven
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: and they're like, can't come in without the souls of
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: your children. Sorry, So she has to go look around
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: for the souls of her children, and she haunts the
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: earth searching for them, wailing, where are my children dressed
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: in a long white burial gown.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: These days?
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: In popular legend, she kidnaps children who resemble her own
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: are those who disobey their parents, or I've personally heard
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: children whose parents she thinks don't deserve them right, which
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: is an interesting take on that idea. In some versions,
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: she attacks cheating men or lures drunk men into the water.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: Her wail is sometimes believed to be a foreteller of
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: oh kind of like a banshee, and her story really
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: has captivated and terrified generations. You can find articles of
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: people writing like I heard this sermon as a kid,
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: and I still I'm afraid of it, like just really
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: sticking with people. Some trace her story back to the
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: Aztec goddess Coatlicue, and I'm sorry if I'm butchering that.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Who legend has it?
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: This goddess was heard weeping before the Spanish conquest, so
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: like crying for her children. Others claim she is actually
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: law your own as actually her name Cortez's interpreter and lover,
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: Lama Lynche. When the Astet capital fell, Cortes returned to
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: his first wife, abandoning Lama Lynche and the son they
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: had together. Interestingly, she's also considered the mother of modern Mexico,
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: while also a trader for.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Aiding the Spanish. Yeah. Yeah.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: Some researchers have suggested this story and others like it
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: reflect patriarchal standards of blaming the woman and hear the
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: mother and the trope of the evil failed mother there
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: that it's a way to reinforce expectations around being this
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: perfect mother. We've talked about that a lot too. They
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: point out that she shares a lot of characteristics with
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: other urban legends and monsters some that were going to
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: talk about later. But yeah, that was really interesting because
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: it's been like legit research papers written on her and
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: what she represents and particularly what she represents in Mexico
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: with the history aspect.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: So so a lot going on there, for sure.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Did you watch the movie?
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: I've seen both movies because as is we were talking
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: about this othern night. Yeah, as it's the case a
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: lot of times, two movies about the same thing kind
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: of come out around the similar time. So I've seen
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: kind of the more classic, mainstream the American horror movie,
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: and then I saw one that was much more like
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: I believe it's a Spanish it's.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: A foreign language film, and it was much more.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: About like politics and a dictator and possible dementia and
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: or Alzheimer's like this is he hallucinating or is she real?
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Old?
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: Dang, I need to go find that one, because yeah,
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: I like the movie a lot because it was fun
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: and then learning that tale. But yeah, there's definitely a
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: different variation again of the woman in white who wants
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: to punish some men. Sometimes I found this, Yeah, that
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: does seem to be a lot of the theme about
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: punishing men, also punishing women and punishing kids.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: There's just a lot of punishment punishing.
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: So now we're going back up at East and we
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: were talking about the legendary honuckle Son, which is the
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: young girl who haunts the girl's bathroom at the school,
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: and of course brought memories of Harry Potter as yes,
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: mourning Myrtle who likes to stay in the girl's bathroom
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: and she's very helpful. Of course we don't have any uh,
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: Harry Potter Wizarding World in her knuckles Son's till.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: But yes, it did bring me to that. But she,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: of course was before Harry Potter does.
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: And how did this young girl who they see become
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: a ghost? Well, according to different legends, we have a
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: version which talks about the young girl an uncle San,
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: being killed while playing hide and seek and it was
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: at this time that the air raid happened in Japan
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: during World War two and she was caught in that
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: blast and tragically killed at that point and then came
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: back as a ghost. Then there's another version which is
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: kind of like how we were talking about with Laurona
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: and a lot of other tales about her actually being
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: murdered tragically by either a parent or sometimes tells talk
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: about a stranger who murders her. And then there is
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: the possibility that she was abused and sad and so
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: she died by suicide. So I think you tell the
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: tale based on which one scares you the most, and
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: you go into depth.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: I think the most tragic is the World War two thing.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, that makes me really sad because it
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: could be too real. It happened and all that, and
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: of course that's one of the best parts of this tale,
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: much like candy Man, because we were talking about the
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: new release of Candy Man and how it scared the
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: hell out of me when it was first released when
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: I was younger and I watched the younger I still
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: have nightmares about that one. And then of course it's
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: a type of the bloody merry tale, but that you
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: can actually summon a Knako son if you want to.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Don't do it. I feel like that's just always just
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: don't do it. I don't know why you would do it.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: Don't I'm about to give you instructions on how to
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: do this, but don't love that there and how does
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: one summon such a sad and typically evil spirit. Well,
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: you enter the girl's bathroom at a school, best on
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: the third floor. Apparently the number three is very very
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: key here, Best on the third floor. Go to the
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: third stall of the bathroom and you knock three times
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: and ask a knuckle sun, are you there. I'm not
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: doing this, And if she responds with yes, I am here,
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: or something along those lines, with a very eerie voice, apparently,
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: then you may see a ghostly hand or a bloody
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: hand appear under the stall, coming towards you. And that's
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: only if you're lucky, that's all you see. But she
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: also may appear, and you will see her apparently a
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: red skirt. Red is a big thing here, Yeah, and
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: maybe sometimes with burn marks. They say that, and she
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: will pull you through the toilet into hell. So she's
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: going to drag you into hell through the toilet. There's
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: so many things so that that's just nightmarish. I think
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: once talking about like a squatty potty and all of that,
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: and she'll just come and grab you from underneath that.
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: There's a left four things that I'm afraid it's going
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: to crawl up from a squaty potty in general, so
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: I'm like, oh my god, or she may have her
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: three headed lizard come and devour you, so that is,
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: and you may not see her at all. All you
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: see when you open the door is a three headed
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: lizard that is used to kill you and eat you.
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: And there are a few that believe it is possible
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: that you will not be eaten or you will not
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: be dragged to hell if you present her with your
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: perfect grades showing that you are a great student, I guess,
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: or some versions say a perfect exam score, so maybe
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: you have a test on hand, So don't go into
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: the bathroom unless you have a perfect score. Doing this okay,
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: which again makes it seem like this is an academic
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: influenced cautionary tale of like, you better have good grades.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Or her knuckle Sun's gonna come and get you.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Yum.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: But either way, don't do it. Don't don't summon evil things.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: That's not to tempt them. That's my advice.
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: And she has made her rounds and uh, that's different
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: animes and mangas and movies as well.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: As I just wore it up.
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I just pulled up a trailer for one very
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: fun So yeah, she is definitely famous.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Don't tempt her, Okay.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: I did just have a discussion about this other day
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: before we watch Candy Man. I was like, it's not
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: I don't believe it. I'm just not going to do
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: it right, try to tempt this.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: I did do Bloody Mare, and I think we're going
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: to talk about that later.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I did go down a rabbit hole after
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: this year's years years ago, after the whole Eliza Lamp thing,
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: which I'm not going to go into, but some of
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: you probably know what I'm talking about. And one of
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: the theories for the whole thing was there's this thing
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: called the Elevator game, which is kind of like this,
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: like you get to the fifth floor and then you
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: press all these buttons and then you don't turn around,
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: and then you'll never know if your world is real
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: or not.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: For some reason, it really.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: Freaked me out, and then I started instead of stopping there,
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: I was looking at all these other games you can
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: do to like summon things.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Right, boards, let's stay away from those times.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: I went through a big og board period and then
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: it scared me and I've not used it since.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Just saying don't tempt them. Wait, so we were talking
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: about the games. Did you do any of those games?
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Can you tell?
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Like, as a kid, I did Bloody Mary.
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: I definitely tried Bloody Mary several times.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Did you do the light as a feather stuff as
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: a board one?
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: I never did that, did you?
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah? It worked too. It was freaky. I was like,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: oh my god, we all ran.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: I mean, of course there was ten of us with
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: two fingers up, so I feel like, plausibly we could
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: do this.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: But it felt really weird.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it does. It looks weird to me,
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: and I find it like it makes sense. I've read
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: the articles about why it works, and I believe them,
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: but it just looks weird.
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: Right, And as children, when you hear these things and
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: you it works, not cool?
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Man?
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah I did the It's like you crack an egg.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: It's not a real egg, but it's like a thing
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: that you do somebody your back. You crack the egg
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: and then you see and it's supposed to foretell how
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: you die, and minus like apparently from a great height.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I think this is because you pushed me.
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: Whoa there, I'd never heard that part. I knew the
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: crack an egg and do this. That was just the
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: sensation that I didn't know. You're supposed to see your death.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they shove you and you're supposed to see.
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: Oh you shove you what hopefully this is real?
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: No, they crack an egg, They like do a knife
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: in your back, not a real knife.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Again. People who have no idea what we're.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: Talking about are like, what, this is just some like
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: game that you played. Somebody was giving you these sensations
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: and feelings on your back and they would say this
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: like creepy poem while they did it. When I played it,
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: they would shove you at the end, and you were
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: supposed to just see like a color, and the color
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: you could interpret to mean what your death would be.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: And I saw something that either meant like water or
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: fall from a great height. But I again, I think
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: because you shoved me, that's probably.
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: Why that makes sense.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, it's moving on, Yes.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Moving on.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: Yes, well, we'll have more discussion like this in part two.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: But in the meantime, listeners, if you have urban legends
• 34:09
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• 34:13
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• 34:22
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