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Midday Missing - Bianca Carrasco & Christopher Abeyta · True Crime and Wine Time

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Speaker 1: Hey guys, Happy Monday. I hope everybody can hear me.
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Speaker 1: I feel a little combobulated after traveling for twice in
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Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks and got in really late
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Speaker 1: last night from California, So feeling a little just combobulated,
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Speaker 1: but that is okay. I hope everyone had an amazing weekend.
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Speaker 1: I did. Had a great time in California. Was able
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Speaker 1: to get some work stuff done and mix work, and
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Speaker 1: then also met with one of the investigators who's helping
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Speaker 1: on the Chase Lackey investigation. We got to meet in
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Speaker 1: person and do some stuff together. And then also, if
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Speaker 1: you saw on our social media, went and visited the
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Speaker 1: pack and mal place that Chase an Addison shipped product from,
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Speaker 1: so that was kind of cool to go there. Also
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Speaker 1: did a lot of wine tasting and I'm excited. I
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Speaker 1: Thursday night. JT and I are live with True Crime
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Speaker 1: host show, and I do I have to stop and think.
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Speaker 1: I do True Crime and Wine Time with JT. We
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Speaker 1: both do the investigation into the disappearance of Chase Lackey
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Speaker 1: and then on Mondays and Wednesdays at lunchtime like today,
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Speaker 1: I do midday missing, So we stream lives several days
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Speaker 1: this week JT will not be doing Night Court or
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Speaker 1: the hay host Show. We will live stream True Crime
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Speaker 1: and mind Time, but he is taking off the rest
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Speaker 1: of the week to handle some things, so once again,
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Speaker 1: thank you. Oh it looks like Bianca's sister is joining us.
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Speaker 1: I actually had reached out to her. We are going
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Speaker 1: to talk. I wasn't able to connect with her last
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Speaker 1: week because I was traveling, so I'm excited that she's here.
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Speaker 1: I am going to be covering Beyonca's case today, but
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Speaker 1: I will be doing a special episode just on Bianca
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Speaker 1: after I have the chance to talk with her sister. Now,
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Speaker 1: I learned about Bianca's case I have on my bracelets
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Speaker 1: at the podcast festival that JT and I went to
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Speaker 1: two weeks ago. I don't know times just kind of
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Speaker 1: all mixing in, but heard about her case and it's
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Speaker 1: very close to me. It's in San Antonio, so I
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Speaker 1: am going to share some basics that I found about
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Speaker 1: the case. Just know that we will be doing a
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Speaker 1: special episode just on Bianca.
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Speaker 2: So welcome.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if I can pronounce the last name.
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Speaker 1: I'm assuming it's Carrasco. Normally I like to make sure
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Speaker 1: before I say it, but Bianca Carrasco. If I say
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Speaker 1: that wrong, I apologize and I promise I will get
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Speaker 1: it right next time. So welcome, Javanna. I see you're
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Speaker 1: in the chat, So everybody say hello to Javanna.
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Speaker 2: Bernie.
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Speaker 1: That is Bianca's sister. So Bianca went missing May first
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Speaker 1: of twenty sixteen, but let me tell you a little
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Speaker 1: bit about her. She was born on July twenty five,
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Speaker 1: so yesterday was her thirty eighth birthday. The family had
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Speaker 1: an event in San Antonio this past weekend. I was
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Speaker 1: very sad that I couldn't drive up there because I
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Speaker 1: already had the trip planned to California. And we share
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Speaker 1: a birthday months since my birthdays tomorrow. Kind of cool
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Speaker 1: that Bianca and I share that. So. She was born
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Speaker 1: July twenty first, nineteen eighty six. She was from the
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Speaker 1: Odessa area.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: She married Joe Crosco when she was eighteen and he
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Speaker 1: was around twenty nine. I found some stories that said
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Speaker 1: twenty eight, some that said twenty nine, So I'm just
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Speaker 1: gonna say twenty nine.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: So they moved from Odessa to San Antonio, and according
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Speaker 1: to the family members and reports I saw online, it
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Speaker 1: said their marriage was troubled, which tells you that the
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Speaker 1: story is probably gonna get a little, as I call it, frustrating.
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Speaker 1: So on May second, Beyonca's sister filed a missing person
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Speaker 1: report after being able to contact her. She had tried
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Speaker 1: reaching out to Bianca the day before and on that day,
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Speaker 1: but when she couldn't, she called Joe Now. He told
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Speaker 1: her they had had a huge, huge fight and Beyonca left,
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Speaker 1: walked out and left her kids behind. Now, as a
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Speaker 1: mom and knowing so many moms, I'm going to tell
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Speaker 1: you that that was the first red flag for me
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Speaker 1: because most moms I know, there's a few moms out
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Speaker 1: there that I'm not sure they should be moms, but
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Speaker 1: you don't leave your kids behind. But anyway, concerned, her
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Speaker 1: sister did report her missing. Now, one of the things
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Speaker 1: that caused me to reach out to her sister was
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Speaker 1: there was so many conflicting stories on this next part
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Speaker 1: and I'm a hope being. I'm going to share what
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Speaker 1: I did is I took the stories and reports and
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Speaker 1: I took the common denominator, the one to seem to
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Speaker 1: share the fact the most is what I decided I
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Speaker 1: would use as record. But I am looking forward to
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Speaker 1: talking to her sister and debunking straightening all of this, because,
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Speaker 1: as I've told y'all, with the murder that happened in
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Speaker 1: my family, the Snapped episode was absolutely wrong. There was
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Speaker 1: so many things just reported wrong. So I do want
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Speaker 1: to just say that I took the common denominator. So
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Speaker 1: Joe claimed Bianca was having an affair, took off her
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Speaker 1: wedding ring and walked away. Now, everything I saw her
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Speaker 1: sister was an adamant that Bianca might walk away from
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Speaker 1: her husband, but she wasn't going to abandon her children.
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Speaker 1: She was a mom, loved her kids, loved being a mom,
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Speaker 1: and everything that I saw in all the articles, friends
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Speaker 1: and family described her as funny, caring, and a great mom.
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Speaker 1: So a great mom doesn't walk away from their kids.
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Speaker 1: She has three children and she worked as a registered
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Speaker 1: nurse in San Antonio. Now, Bionca left home without her
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Speaker 1: car and most of her belongings. So here's where that
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Speaker 1: other red flag comes in for me. Days before her disappearance,
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Speaker 1: she had decided to divorce Joe and plan to move
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Speaker 1: on with her children. Okay, I'm going to just tell you, guys,
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Speaker 1: in case you don't know anyone, in a domestic violence situation,
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Speaker 1: even if there hasn't been physical violence and it's all emotional,
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Speaker 1: financial abuse, that kind of thing, it is still a
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Speaker 1: very dangerous time for someone to get out of that relationship,
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Speaker 1: even if they have not shown any physical violence before.
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Speaker 1: So Joe suggested that biyonca l to be with another man,
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Speaker 1: and he didn't really seem to show concern over her disappearance.
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Speaker 1: And I'm going to just tell you right now, I
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Speaker 1: would like to think even my ex husband, my kid's dad,
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Speaker 1: that if when we were splitting up, if I would
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Speaker 1: have stormed out without the kids, because we got into
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Speaker 1: a lot of arguments, a lot of fights, I took
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Speaker 1: a lot of walks, that he would have been concerned
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Speaker 1: over my disappearance, at least from the standpoint that I'm
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Speaker 1: his children's mother. So right off the bat, I wanted
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Speaker 1: to say, Joe, that does not make you look good.
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Speaker 2: Okay, you should be.
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Speaker 1: Concerned whether you are still in love with this person
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Speaker 1: or not, over the fact that your children's mother is missing. Now,
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Speaker 1: I also saw some reports, and I think I even
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Speaker 1: went down a Reddit rabbit hole or two, that Joe,
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Speaker 1: up to her disappearance had kind of gone a little crazy.
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Speaker 1: He knew things were coming to an end in the marriage,
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Speaker 1: or that the marriage was trouble, and he was calling everybody,
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Speaker 1: talking to everybody, you want to know where she was.
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Speaker 1: Then lo and behold, she walks out and he no
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Speaker 1: longer has concern. So red flag, red flag, red flag.
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Speaker 1: So Beyonca's sister, who lived in Houston, reported her missing
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Speaker 1: to the police. Okay, they questioned why Joe hadn't followed
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Speaker 1: the report, and I'm kind of like them, why didn't he? Now,
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Speaker 1: I did find that Joe spoke to the San Antonio
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Speaker 1: police after the report was filed, admitting that he discovered
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Speaker 1: Beyonca's affair. And I found one article that said he
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Speaker 1: took all of the money from their bank account and
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Speaker 1: he confiscated her phone. So first off, you don't go
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Speaker 1: and take all the money out of the account. Okay,
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Speaker 1: that's just rude, that's just not nice. So the other thing,
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Speaker 1: you don't take her phone, right, But initially he claimed
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Speaker 1: that she took her phone, but then later he said
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Speaker 1: he had it. So that was one of the stories
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Speaker 1: that I kept seeing go back and forth. So I
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Speaker 1: am very interested to find out when I talk to
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Speaker 1: her sister about what really happened or what their understanding is,
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Speaker 1: because that is sus to me in so many ways.
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Speaker 1: And guess what, he stopped cooperating with the police.
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Speaker 2: Excuse me.
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Speaker 1: And it's baffling. And I know I've said this. We
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Speaker 1: all think I'm a little crazy because I keep beating
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Speaker 1: this dead horse, right, but it is baffling to me
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Speaker 1: how someone can refuse to speak to the police despite
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Speaker 1: being the last known person to seeing missing individual. I
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Speaker 1: get they have the right to not incriminate theirself. I've
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Speaker 1: said this many times. I don't know how we get
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Speaker 1: around this, but we need to have a law compelling
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Speaker 1: people to answer questions. I don't know how you do it, okay,
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Speaker 1: And if we have any attorney these experts on the law,
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Speaker 1: tell me how we can fix that, because we.
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Speaker 2: Need to fix that.
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Speaker 1: If someone is the last person seen and they say yeah,
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Speaker 1: my wife and I argued and she stormed out, I've
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Speaker 1: never seen her again.
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Speaker 2: They should be compelled to talk.
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Speaker 1: Like I said, I don't know how you do it,
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Speaker 1: but there's got to be a way now. Bianca was
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Speaker 1: last seen on May first, twenty sixteen. It has been
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Speaker 1: eight years without contact with her children and her family.
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Speaker 1: So guys, think about this. Her three children eight years.
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Speaker 1: Mom's birthday was yesterday and they didn't get to celebrate
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Speaker 1: with their mom because she's missing. And there has been
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Speaker 1: numerous tips that have come in, but none that have
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Speaker 1: led to concrete information about her disappearance. Okay, and her
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Speaker 1: family and friends remain dedicated to finding answers, and as
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Speaker 1: I mentioned, they recently celebrated her thirty eighth birthday at
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Speaker 1: friisen Han Park and guys, to me, that just reaffirms
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Speaker 1: their love and determination. And as we say in Chase's case,
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Speaker 1: somebody knows something and they want answers. And I hope
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Speaker 1: all of you will share Beyonca's missing pursing flyer. It's
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Speaker 1: on our True Crime and Wine Time facebook page. It's
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Speaker 1: also on my Tarry True Crime Facebook page. Share it,
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Speaker 1: get it out there. I mean, guys, it's July. It's
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Speaker 1: hot in Texas. It's her birthday month, it's my birthday month.
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Speaker 1: Let's put the pressure on show or whoever is involved. Okay,
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Speaker 1: let's get it out there and use the hashtag finding
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Speaker 1: Bianca like what's on the bracelet, and if you have
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Speaker 1: any information regarding her disappearance, you can call crime Stoppers
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Speaker 1: at two one zero two two four seven eight six seven.
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Speaker 1: And I'm also going to ask if you want more
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Speaker 1: information about Bianca, follow the Facebook page help Us Find
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Speaker 1: Answers for Bianca crossco like it, follow it because, like
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Speaker 1: I said, we're going to do a special episode on her.
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Speaker 1: Several podcasts have already done amazing episodes about Bianca's case.
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Speaker 1: I have listened to them this weekend. I'm going to
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Speaker 1: ask you go out and listen to them. There's Crime
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Speaker 1: with Holly, then they were Gone, Crime Lines.
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Speaker 2: And the Murder Diaries.
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Speaker 1: So I am going to ask y'all go out listen
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Speaker 1: to these episodes, share the missing persons, go join the
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Speaker 1: family group. Let's put the pressure. It's Jali. Let's make
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Speaker 1: it hot as hell on these people, because, as I've said,
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Speaker 1: an alienship did not fly into Texas being down a
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Speaker 1: little invisible ray and pick somebody up and there's no answers.
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Speaker 1: Somebody knows something, nobody just disappears. We don't have aliens
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Speaker 1: that beam down and shoot you up into a ship.
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Speaker 1: So let's do that. And I'm going to say, be
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Speaker 1: sure to subscribe to our channel because we will have
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Speaker 1: an episode dedicated just to Bianca after I get the
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Speaker 1: chance to talk with her sister. Maybe we'll even get
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Speaker 1: her to come on. We'll have to see. So next,
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Speaker 1: I want to tell you about another case that haunts
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Speaker 1: me as well. The thing that I find so similar
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Speaker 1: about Bianca's case and Christopher's, and I think in a
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Speaker 1: lot of cases, it's not a stranger reduction. It is
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Speaker 1: somebody that knows the person or the family. And that
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Speaker 1: makes it even more heartbreaking to me, especially when it's
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Speaker 1: people who supposedly care about somebody in the family or
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Speaker 1: even that person, and it just it haunts me, you know,
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Speaker 1: to think of that Christopher. And I'm going to tell y'all,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to try to say this name correctly. I
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Speaker 1: have me reached out to Christopher's family as well, a
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Speaker 1: beta abe Yta, a beta Christopher. Hopefully I'm saying it right.
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Speaker 1: If not, we know, I will come back and correct myself.
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Speaker 1: Christopher was born November twenty eighth, nineteen eighty five, in
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Speaker 1: Colorado Springs, Colorado. He was the youngest of seven children
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Speaker 1: in the family. They were known for having close knit
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Speaker 1: bond and strong community kais and the family was very
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Speaker 1: excited about the newest addition to their house household. And
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Speaker 1: it was so amazing to read the story about how
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Speaker 1: they all showered Christopher with love and attention and older
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Speaker 1: siblings wanted to feed him take care of him. I
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Speaker 1: can only imagine for me if I had an older brother,
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Speaker 1: or my mom had a younger child and I got
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Speaker 1: to play with it and be like a little surrogate
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Speaker 1: mom or treat it like a baby doll. Would have
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Speaker 1: been so cool. But unfortunately, the tranquility of that household
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Speaker 1: was shattered the morning of July fifteenth, nineteen eighty six.
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Speaker 1: And guys, yes, I am aware. I picked two cases
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Speaker 1: that have ties to July. I decided it's my birthday month.
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Speaker 2: I wanted to have July ties. So he went missing.
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Speaker 1: So when Christopher's mother, Bernice, woke up, she discovered their
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Speaker 1: seven month old son was missing from his crib. I mean, guys,
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Speaker 1: think of the panic that would set in when you
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Speaker 1: realize your child's not in their crib, okay, and that
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Speaker 1: your child vanished during the night. The window in the
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Speaker 1: bedroom was found slightly open, leading them to believe that
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Speaker 1: someone had entered the house and taken the infant out.
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Speaker 1: I read a couple of reports. There's a huge Reddit
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Speaker 1: rabbit holes on this case, but some said doors were
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Speaker 1: also open. People didn't leave, you know, they didn't lock
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Speaker 1: doors as much back then. A child was going to
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Speaker 1: be coming home that was older, so the door was
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Speaker 1: left unlocked. So I saw a lot of that going
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Speaker 1: back and forth. But the common denominator saw was that
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Speaker 1: the window was open. Now, the Colorado Springs Police Department
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Speaker 1: was immediately called, and from everything I read, they jumped
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Speaker 1: in and started investigating. Officers and volunteers searched the neighborhood
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Speaker 1: hoping to find any clue that would lead them to Christopher.
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Speaker 1: I mean, seven months old. He didn't get up and
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Speaker 1: just walk out. Okay, Now, I know my brother. I
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Speaker 1: don't know how old he was, but I know he
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Speaker 1: got out of his crib once before. He was walking,
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Speaker 1: so probably nine ten months, I'm not sure, but even crawling,
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Speaker 1: he couldn't go far, right.
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Speaker 2: So.
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Speaker 1: They kept looking, and the community rallied around the family
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Speaker 1: offering support and assistance. They were like, hey, what can
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Speaker 1: we do to help? Everybody jumped in and guys, the
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Speaker 1: police interviewed neighbors, friends, family members. It seems like they
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Speaker 1: went around and they were interviewing everyone. Okay, and I
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Speaker 1: love that. Now, despite the extensive efforts, there were no
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Speaker 1: significant leads in this case. Now, the lack of evidence
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Speaker 1: and witnesses make this case even me more perplexing because
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Speaker 1: the possibility of a stranger abduction, which I have to
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Speaker 1: tell y'all, is terrifying to think that someone is watching
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Speaker 1: you and comes and takes your child. I agree that
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Speaker 1: seems very unlikely, but Chris's family has never given up hope.
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Speaker 1: They have continued to work tiresly to keep Christopher's case
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Speaker 1: in the public. His story has been featured on various
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Speaker 1: news programs, true crime shows. I mean, it has brought
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Speaker 1: in interest in tips all across the country, but as
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Speaker 1: of today, Christopher has not been brought home. Now, I
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Speaker 1: need to tell you that Bernice and her husband Gil
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Speaker 1: had been separated. Bernice had accused her husband of having
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Speaker 1: an affair and they had separated, but they got back together.
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Speaker 1: Gil stayed at the house and the next morning is
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Speaker 1: when Christopher went missing. Okay, that's heartbreaking. Now. The family
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Speaker 1: felt that Emma Bradshaw, which is the woman that Gil
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Speaker 1: was suspected of having an affair with, saw some articles
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Speaker 1: that said, yes, they for sure had an affair, some
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Speaker 1: said it was suspected. I even saw some that said
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Speaker 1: they continued the affair for years.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I wasn't in the bedroom with them, so I'm going
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Speaker 1: to say they alleged that they were having an affair.
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Speaker 1: But they also felt that Emma took Christopher motivated by
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Speaker 1: a vendetta because if Gil told her, hey it's over,
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Speaker 1: I'm going back to my wife and my kids could
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Speaker 1: spin her spinning.
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Speaker 2: Now. I found a lot of.
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Speaker 1: Stories that Emma had issues before with some mental instability,
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Speaker 1: as far as people breaking up with her, her breaking
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Speaker 1: into their house, her stalking them, her doing Bunny Boiler stuff. Okay,
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Speaker 1: just can't help but think of I forget what the
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Speaker 1: character's name is, but Bunny Boiler lay. So they suspected
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Speaker 1: she had something again it now, Bernice dedicated her life
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Speaker 1: to fighting her son guys. She passed away in twenty
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Speaker 1: seventeen without ever knowing what happened to her Christopher, who
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Speaker 1: is seven months old. Okay, guys, that is heartbreaking. She
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Speaker 1: died and think of all of the night she went
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Speaker 1: to bed not knowing where her son is or what
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Speaker 1: happened to him. And she died without knowing. I mean,
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Speaker 1: they said she never stopped looking. Her and Gil continued
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Speaker 1: to look for their son. Now, Gil had also dedicated
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Speaker 1: his life defining Christopher, and he was an advocate for
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Speaker 1: other missing children and their families. He passed away in
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Speaker 1: August of twenty twenty. So, guys, two parents left this
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Speaker 1: beautiful earth not knowing what happened to their son. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I can't imagine. And there's some other things
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Speaker 1: that I find frustrating about this case that I will
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Speaker 1: tell you.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: Now, the disappearance of Christopher remains one of Colorado's most
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Speaker 1: haunting mystery.
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Speaker 2: The case is still open.
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Speaker 1: And the Colorado Springs Police Department continues to say that
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Speaker 1: they are seeking any information that might lead to answers.
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Speaker 1: Interestingly enough, I found many articles that talked about Colorado
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Speaker 1: Springs police destroying much of the case evidence. And Guys,
24:46
Speaker 1: I can't help but say What in the hell why
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Speaker 1: would you destroy evidence in a missing person case? So
24:54
Speaker 1: it's a seven month old child who disappeared from their crib. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: how did you destroy evidence? How? Guys, this next thing
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Speaker 1: is going to send you over the edge like it
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Speaker 1: did me. And I'm going to try very hard to
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Speaker 1: keep my colorful language in check.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: I then read about the mayor of Colorado Springs mayor
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Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen who grabbed one of Christopher's sister shoulders
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Speaker 1: after they had an event and firmly placed his hand
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Speaker 1: on her shoulder. His arm extended and grabbed his other
25:36
Speaker 1: sister's shoulder firmly with this other extended art pushed them together. Okay,
25:41
Speaker 1: it was quick. They didn't have time to react, you know.
25:43
Speaker 1: He just grabbed them both, pulled them together, is what
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Speaker 1: I'm visualizing. He then leaned in and angrily said, and
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Speaker 1: I'm going to quote what I found. Let me tell
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Speaker 1: you something. It's time for you to give and then
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Speaker 1: they stopped him and said, are you about to say
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Speaker 1: give up?
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Speaker 2: Really? Are you kidding me? Right now? Okay?
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Speaker 1: He then said, let me rephrase that it's time to
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Speaker 1: come to the realization his case may never be solved.
26:18
Speaker 1: He kept his hold on them firm, and they said
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Speaker 1: it was uncomfortable and unsettling. Guys, that is a form
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Speaker 1: of intimidation in my opinion. I mean, please tell me
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Speaker 1: that I'm dreaming, because why would anyone say this to
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Speaker 1: a family member. And you're in a political arena, you're
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Speaker 1: the mayor.
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Speaker 2: What the hell?
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Speaker 1: Because I have to tell you they are better than me,
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Speaker 1: because I would have gotten arrested because I would have
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Speaker 1: slapped him across the face. Okay, let me be honest.
26:57
Speaker 1: It would have just been a gut reaction and I
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Speaker 1: would have regretted it later, I'm sure. But you don't
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Speaker 1: say that to somebody, Okay, you don't. And just like
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Speaker 1: someone said about Chase's case, and they made a comment,
27:16
Speaker 1: they were like, you know, maybe they just need to
27:20
Speaker 1: realize they're not going to know the answer and move on.
27:23
Speaker 1: And I'm here to tell you I'm not related to Chase,
27:25
Speaker 1: but I feel like I know him very well because
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Speaker 1: of his family, and I go to bed wondering where
27:31
Speaker 1: he is. And now that I've started covering other missing
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Speaker 1: persons cases, I go to bed wondering. Now their family
27:39
Speaker 1: gets up and goes forward each day. Now do you
27:44
Speaker 1: take this thing that has happened in your life, missing
27:48
Speaker 1: a child, I left one, a spouse, a sister or brother.
27:52
Speaker 1: How do you take it and set it aside and
27:54
Speaker 1: still try to go on with life and someone look
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Speaker 1: you in the eye and tell you that maybe you
28:01
Speaker 1: should just give up and move on because you don't stop. Okay,
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Speaker 1: there is no closure, you don't know. So that kind
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Speaker 1: of pushed me over the edge, guys, because I cannot
28:19
Speaker 1: imagine having my baby kidnapped, me spending the rest of
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Speaker 1: my time on Earth looking and wondering is he okay?
28:30
Speaker 1: Did maybe somebody take him who wanted a child and
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Speaker 1: is living a good life? You know? Research in this
28:37
Speaker 1: case made me think of Zephanie, who I interviewed and
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Speaker 1: covered way early on in the podcast, who was kidnapped
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Speaker 1: as an infant and was found by the family when
28:49
Speaker 1: she was a teen. I can't help but hope that
28:54
Speaker 1: somebody took Christopher because they wanted a child, and that
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Speaker 1: he has a good life. I know I probably live
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Speaker 1: in I don't call it a fantasy world, but I
29:06
Speaker 1: call it hope because without hope, I would be a
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Speaker 1: basket case in everyday life.
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Speaker 2: So I can't imagine if I.
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Speaker 1: Would survive that, And I pray that my family and
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Speaker 1: friends would help keep me going, because if something like
29:23
Speaker 1: that happened to me, I don't know if I could.
29:26
Speaker 1: And I think that the fact that his siblings are
29:29
Speaker 1: still carrying on the search is awesome. They are keeping
29:35
Speaker 1: his story alive, and it shows me families do not
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Speaker 1: just move on and forget their loved ones. Okay, they
29:44
Speaker 1: don't have closure. They don't get to say goodbye, You're
29:50
Speaker 1: in heaven and bury them. They have to wonder do
29:54
Speaker 1: they have food, do they have shelter? Is somebody holding them?
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Speaker 1: Are they All of these horrific things that I know
30:03
Speaker 1: go through my mind, I imagine goes through theirs, and
30:09
Speaker 1: I think there's a hole that lives in their heart
30:12
Speaker 1: until they get answers. And they deserve those answers. Every
30:17
Speaker 1: family of someone missing deserves to get those answers before
30:21
Speaker 1: they leave this earth. And like I said, I've decided
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Speaker 1: I'm going to choose hope and hope that Christopher was
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Speaker 1: taken by someone who wanted a baby, and that he's
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Speaker 1: being raised in a loving family, and that genetic testing
30:34
Speaker 1: will one day bring him back to his family.
30:37
Speaker 2: Now I'm not going to.
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Speaker 1: Get into all of this because I found so many
30:43
Speaker 1: confusing things about about it. But Emma Bradshaw Steed one
30:49
Speaker 1: of the family members, saying that by putting her name
30:53
Speaker 1: out there that they readed her life, she lost her job, YadA, YadA, YadA,
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Speaker 1: asked for a lot of bunny.
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Speaker 2: I couldn't.
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Speaker 1: I've found one article that said, yes, she got one
31:08
Speaker 1: case or one piece of the case proven. Everything else
31:13
Speaker 1: was dismissed. The rumors and stuff I found on Reddit
31:16
Speaker 1: said that the sister meld a letter to her job
31:20
Speaker 1: and told him about her Can't do that. You'll get
31:23
Speaker 1: in trouble for that. But she was a person of interest,
31:28
Speaker 1: and my understanding is didn't overly cooperate with the police either.
31:33
Speaker 1: So you can follow Chris's story on his Facebook page.
31:38
Speaker 1: His Facebook page is a Christopher he Beta and they
31:43
Speaker 1: have a time progressed photo on there. I'm also going
31:47
Speaker 1: to ask you to share his missing person fire that
31:51
Speaker 1: is also on True Crime and Wine Time's page and
31:55
Speaker 1: on my Terry True Crime page. Now, if you have
31:58
Speaker 1: any information regarding the s appearance of Christopher, please contact
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Speaker 1: the Colorado Springs Police Department at seven point nine four
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Speaker 1: four four seven thousand, because guys, every tip, I mean,
32:11
Speaker 1: no matter how small it is, could be the key
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Speaker 1: to solving this case in any other missing person case.
32:19
Speaker 1: I will also say, since we know the Colorado Springs
32:22
Speaker 1: Police Department has destroyed evidence, make sure you write down
32:25
Speaker 1: the time and date when you call in your tips,
32:28
Speaker 1: so that when they say they didn't get any tips,
32:31
Speaker 1: you have proof that you did. Now, I wanted to
32:35
Speaker 1: end today telling you about some of the amazing people
32:39
Speaker 1: I met at the True Crime Podcast Festival with JT
32:42
Speaker 1: and Denver. There were so many wonderful people there and
32:46
Speaker 1: they truly made my cup run a boat over. I mean,
32:51
Speaker 1: meeting family members who are there to share their journey
32:55
Speaker 1: was awesome, but they were also there to offer their
32:57
Speaker 1: support to other families, which to me, it was just magical.
33:03
Speaker 1: I can't think of another word for it.
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Speaker 2: Excuse me.
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Speaker 1: I will forever be grateful to all of the families
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Speaker 1: and advocates who took time out to talk with me
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Speaker 1: and share their stories, and all of those that were
33:17
Speaker 1: interested in hearing about our special investigation into the disappearance
33:22
Speaker 1: of Chase Lackey.
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Speaker 2: They've offered support.
33:26
Speaker 1: I have so many phone calls and stack of things
33:29
Speaker 1: to follow up on with people from there, and I
33:34
Speaker 1: met so many family members with missing person cases that
33:39
Speaker 1: I will be covering some more of them that I
33:41
Speaker 1: heard about at the podcast festival, And what I want
33:44
Speaker 1: to say to those family members that I met, keep
33:49
Speaker 1: doing what you're doing, because I get how you can't
33:53
Speaker 1: just move on. I do not personally know or have
33:58
Speaker 1: a family member of someone that I intimately no missing.
34:01
Speaker 1: I do feel like I know Chase in so many
34:04
Speaker 1: ways after working on his investigation a year and a
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Speaker 1: half that if I.
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Speaker 2: Cry about it and I go to sleep missing.
34:11
Speaker 1: Him, what must it be like for his family members
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Speaker 1: and loved ones who knew him?
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Speaker 2: Okay?
34:19
Speaker 1: And that makes me think about all of the other families.
34:21
Speaker 1: So guys, keep doing what you're doing. And if anyone
34:26
Speaker 1: has a missing person case that they want us to cover,
34:29
Speaker 1: you can email us at our podcast email truecrimeanwind Time
34:33
Speaker 1: at gmail dot com, or you can go to our
34:35
Speaker 1: website and there is a contact form you can do
34:38
Speaker 1: information there, or you can send us dms on any
34:42
Speaker 1: of our social media platforms. So we would be happy
34:47
Speaker 1: to share your stories. And I wish I had the
34:51
Speaker 1: time to investigate and help every family find their individuals.
34:55
Speaker 1: One day, maybe I'll have that ability, but until then,
35:00
Speaker 1: we can all advocate for these families by sharing the
35:04
Speaker 1: missing poster and the information. I also put on our
35:08
Speaker 1: True Crime and Mind Time page an article about how
35:12
Speaker 1: to know when the missing person post you're seeing is
35:16
Speaker 1: a scam. There are people, most of them in other countries,
35:21
Speaker 1: that are taking pictures and making scam flyers for missing
35:27
Speaker 1: person cases, and when you share it, they have hackers
35:30
Speaker 1: hacking into your account trying to get your information. So
35:34
Speaker 1: I will tell you before we share anything on True
35:36
Speaker 1: Crime and Mind Time, we go out and verify that
35:40
Speaker 1: it is an active case, the person is missing, and
35:44
Speaker 1: that the phone number is correct for where to call
35:47
Speaker 1: in tips. I know everybody doesn't have time for that,
35:50
Speaker 1: so that's why I posted the article I found about
35:54
Speaker 1: how to spot spam postings, because let me tell you,
35:59
Speaker 1: that's shitty to do. Okay people, And if you're one
36:03
Speaker 1: of those people who's doing that spam and wanting to
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Speaker 1: hack and do all of this stuff, shame on you.
36:08
Speaker 1: And Karma's a bitch. Karma does good things, Karma does
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Speaker 1: bad things, so your karma is coming, so just stop
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Speaker 1: doing it.
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Speaker 2: Why you have a chance.
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Speaker 1: Okay, now, I want to thank you all for joining
36:20
Speaker 1: me today. I look forward to seeing you all again
36:23
Speaker 1: on Wednesday for our next episode of Midday Missing Don't Forget.
36:28
Speaker 1: This week, there will be no other productions on our
36:31
Speaker 1: YouTube channel except for Midday Missing Monday and Wednesday at lunch,
36:35
Speaker 1: and then Thursday night, JT and I will be here
36:38
Speaker 1: with true crime and wine Time. We are covering financial
36:41
Speaker 1: crimes and I picked a doozy of a case that
36:46
Speaker 1: has ties to text this of course, and we're not
36:49
Speaker 1: going to get into the political side of it, but
36:51
Speaker 1: we are going to get into the financial crimes and
36:55
Speaker 1: we are going to be not we I am going
36:58
Speaker 1: to be enjoying this wonderful bottle of rose a from
37:04
Speaker 1: Jay and M Cellars in Napa Valley. I want to
37:08
Speaker 1: tell you all until next week I shouldn't say next
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Speaker 1: week Wednesdays this week that watch out for crime, be safe,
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Speaker 1: enjoy your wine time, and I'll see you on Wednesday.