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Wired To Hunt Podcast #199: Levi Morgan On Becoming A Better Archer and Deer Hunter · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for
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  Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this episode number one and
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  Speaker 1: today the show, we are joined by Levi Morgan. Levi
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  Speaker 1: is one of the most accomplished archers and ball owners
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  Speaker 1: in the world, and in our conversation today we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: be discussing his keys to becoming a better archer and
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  Speaker 1: deer hunter, and we're going into some really interesting detail.
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  Speaker 1: All right, folks, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast,
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  Speaker 1: brought to you by Sick Gear, and today, as I
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  Speaker 1: just mentioned, I'm joined by Levi Morgen and Levi, if
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  Speaker 1: you're not familiar, it's quite possibly the most accomplished archer
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  Speaker 1: in the world today on the archery tournament circuit. The
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  Speaker 1: latest numbers i've seen show him being named the shooter
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  Speaker 1: of the year ten times. I think it was ten
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  Speaker 1: times in the row actually, and he's also won multiple
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  Speaker 1: world titles. And from a hunting standpoint, Levi has been
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  Speaker 1: all over the world hunting, including a lot of white
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  Speaker 1: tail states. He's got a lot of white tail experience
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  Speaker 1: and himself and his wife. They host the Bowlife TV show.
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  Speaker 1: So today my conversation with Levi is going to be
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  Speaker 1: split into two halves. First, we're gonna takes some time
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  Speaker 1: to talk about his two thousand seventeen hunting season and
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  Speaker 1: some of the different lessons he's learned from a deer
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  Speaker 1: hunting perspective, some different ideas from a tactic and strategy
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  Speaker 1: standpoint that might be helpful to everybody. And then secondly,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna take some time to dive deep into archery,
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  Speaker 1: which is something that Levi is especially and uniquely UM
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  Speaker 1: I think prepared to talk about and help us better understand.
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  Speaker 1: So we'renna get his perspective on both setups and arrows
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  Speaker 1: and accessories, um, how to practice better, different drills to try,
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  Speaker 1: um different ways to improve accuracy, how to handle the
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  Speaker 1: mental aspects of bow hunting and shooting a bow, you know,
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  Speaker 1: handling the moment of truth, A lot of stuff along
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  Speaker 1: those lines. And trust me on this one, you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: enjoy it. I really enjoyed this conversation. And usually at
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  Speaker 1: this point this is where we would have our little
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  Speaker 1: pregame discussion between my co host Dan and myself but
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  Speaker 1: Dan couldn't make this episode, so we're just gonna have
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  Speaker 1: to put off our dad life conversation until next time.
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  Speaker 1: And uh, speaking of dad life, well, you know what, actually,
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  Speaker 1: I guess for those of you who don't follow Wired
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  Speaker 1: to Hunt on Instagram or Facebook, I'm just gonna I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna make you guys waited out another week before we
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  Speaker 1: talk about anything related to um my life outside of hunting.
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  Speaker 1: We've got a little bit of news, but me and
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  Speaker 1: Dan will talk about it here next time. And I guess,
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  Speaker 1: speaking of that, I will use this as an opportunity
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  Speaker 1: for some shameless plugs here since we've got a little time,
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  Speaker 1: um speaking social media, if you're not following Wired to
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  Speaker 1: Hunt on social media, please go ahead and go do that.
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  Speaker 1: That is the best way to stay up to date
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  Speaker 1: on what I've got going on, new things coming out
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  Speaker 1: from Wired Hunt, interesting things going on in my hunting
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  Speaker 1: and outdoor ventures. So Facebook is a great place to
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  Speaker 1: find that you're in a Wired Hunt on Facebook page.
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  Speaker 1: Wired to Hunt on Instagram, that is one of my
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  Speaker 1: most active platforms, and lately I'm doing a lot of
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  Speaker 1: Instagram stories where I'm sharing um, especially right now in
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  Speaker 1: the off season I'm going back and looking back on
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  Speaker 1: some of my hunts and inventors in the past year,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm sharing kind of a little photo stories and
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  Speaker 1: that's kind of a neat way to recap some of
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  Speaker 1: these recaps and these things I've done. So be sure
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  Speaker 1: to check out my Instagram account and Twitter, UM you'll
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  Speaker 1: what you think about the podcast. UM. That can help
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  Speaker 1: So thank you in advance for doing that. So, with
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  Speaker 1: all that out of the way, let's take a very
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  Speaker 1: short break here for our sick of Gear story of
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  Speaker 1: the day, and then we're gonna get right into this
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  Speaker 1: very interesting conversation with Levi Morgan. For this week's Sicko story,
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  Speaker 1: we're joined by Darton Hardwick, who tells us about his
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  Speaker 1: hunt for a triple beam buck. So it was the
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  Speaker 1: second day of rifle season in Pennsylvania. I just came
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  Speaker 1: home from work and I went into the garage and
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  Speaker 1: talked to my grandpa a little bit, and I decided
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  Speaker 1: to since it was about an hour left before dark,
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  Speaker 1: I would go out for a little while. And I
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  Speaker 1: went to a spot where I know dear like across
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  Speaker 1: this ravine, and I just stood on the four wheeler
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  Speaker 1: path there and across the ravine there's a field, and
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  Speaker 1: the buck actually came out on the far side of
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  Speaker 1: that field where my stand from opening day was that
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  Speaker 1: because I was knew I was hunting his whole core area.
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  Speaker 1: But I settled in and I pulled the trigger and
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  Speaker 1: just dropped the buck right there in the field, and
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  Speaker 1: I was real pumped up on Darton Hunt. He was
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  Speaker 1: when the now on the line is Levi Morgan. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to show Leva. Hey, Mark, thank you. I'm appreciate the
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  Speaker 1: opportunity to be on you. Yeah, absolutely and definitely appreciate
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  Speaker 1: you taking the time to do it. And before before
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  Speaker 1: we gave you a call, gave our listeners just a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of a background as to some of your
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  Speaker 1: accomplishments and what you're doing these days. But I'd love
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  Speaker 1: to hear about that from you before we go any further.
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  Speaker 1: Can you kind of give us the story of how
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  Speaker 1: you got to this point where you're you're hosting your
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  Speaker 1: own show. You're one of the top archers in the world. Um,
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  Speaker 1: and at at a darn young age, how did this
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  Speaker 1: all happen? Uh? You know, my dad was a big
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  Speaker 1: bow hunter. That's kind of where it all started. When
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  Speaker 1: I was five years old. Um, I started kind of
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  Speaker 1: tagging along with him, going to local three D shoots
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  Speaker 1: and uh, just slinging arrows and and started winning local tournaments.
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  Speaker 1: And then from there, I guess dad just saw something
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  Speaker 1: in me, and you know, I I wanted to kind of
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  Speaker 1: take that to the next level. So we when I
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  Speaker 1: was six, we went to a world championship in Flatwood,
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  Speaker 1: West Virginia, the Ideal World Championship, and I tied for
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  Speaker 1: first there and so it just kind of, you know,
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  Speaker 1: fell in love with the game of archery. I guess
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  Speaker 1: you know, Dad is a huge bow hunter, but I
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  Speaker 1: love competition in assence. Well, heck, I was five or
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  Speaker 1: six years old, so I fell in love with that
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  Speaker 1: part of it and then just won a lot of
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  Speaker 1: an amateur growing up. And um, when I turned eighteen,
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  Speaker 1: I um just decided to dive in headfirst and turn pro.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, once Shot of the Year at nineteen, World
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  Speaker 1: Championship at nineteen, and just kind of went from there.
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  Speaker 1: But the passion that always drove it was was hunting,
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  Speaker 1: and so, um, I wanted to do something that because
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  Speaker 1: I was when I was one and Samantha we're just
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  Speaker 1: getting together. We had house payments and everything was riding
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  Speaker 1: on winds and I had to win to to pay
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  Speaker 1: our bills and it was pretty stressful, and so yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I wanted something that, you know, we could actually kind
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  Speaker 1: of have a budget and make a living still doing
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  Speaker 1: what we loved. And the support I had from that
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  Speaker 1: allowed us to kind of move into the TV side
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  Speaker 1: of things, which Lord's thinking that was a stable job
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  Speaker 1: was kind of funny now looking back, but we've been
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  Speaker 1: we've been very blessed and kind of here we are,
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  Speaker 1: you know, ten years or no, See, this is my
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  Speaker 1: twelve year of the pro this year, so the times
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  Speaker 1: flying by. Wow. If if you had if you had
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  Speaker 1: to pick one of the two, if someone put a
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  Speaker 1: gun to your head and said you could only be
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  Speaker 1: a professional termin archer or you could only be a
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  Speaker 1: bow hunter and a TV to make your living, if
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  Speaker 1: you had to choose one of those two, what do
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  Speaker 1: you think you'd have to questions? Yeah, bo hunt? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I shoot tournaments and enjoy the competition, but
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  Speaker 1: I love the bohunt bohunt every day. It never gets old.
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  Speaker 1: I miss it as soon as the last day of
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  Speaker 1: the season comes around. So I would definitely choose bow hunting.
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  Speaker 1: That would be a really easy choice for me. I
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  Speaker 1: think that was That's a good answer. So how this
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  Speaker 1: How did this two thousand seventeen season go for you?
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  Speaker 1: It was awesome. We started UM up in Northwest Territories
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  Speaker 1: because I am chasing the Super Slam. When I won
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  Speaker 1: UM eight Shooter of the un a Row a few
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  Speaker 1: years ago and broke that record, it was kind of
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  Speaker 1: like a this record that had kind of hung over
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  Speaker 1: my head, and so when that was up, I was like,
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  Speaker 1: what am I gonna do now? You know? And so
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  Speaker 1: I decided I wanted to chase the super Slam and
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  Speaker 1: and so I started that track. And so I've been
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  Speaker 1: trying to do some injured hunts every year because I
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  Speaker 1: grew up a whitetail guy. That's all I've ever did.
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  Speaker 1: That's my favorite, you know, it's what I know, and
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  Speaker 1: and on the East Coast, that's just what we did
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  Speaker 1: growing up, and so it was cool getting to go
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  Speaker 1: out and you know, experience other parts of the world.
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  Speaker 1: So we started in Northwest Territory this year doing Yukon
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  Speaker 1: moose and mountain cariboo. UM shot a really good moose
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  Speaker 1: and a good cariboo there. So came home, went to
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  Speaker 1: Wyoming and newly antelope. Samantha killed the nice whitetail Woming
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  Speaker 1: and then we just started pounding whitetails and UM, I
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  Speaker 1: didn't kill anything giant or enormous this year, but we
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  Speaker 1: shot a lot of really good deer and a lot
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  Speaker 1: of old deer. So I've always been a quantity guy.
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  Speaker 1: You know, You've got guys like Lee and Mark Drury
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  Speaker 1: and shooting two hundreds all the time. I'm just trying
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  Speaker 1: to kill as many as I can, and not all
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  Speaker 1: of us can can break the two mark every year,
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  Speaker 1: that's for sure, right, no doubt. Maybe one day I'll
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  Speaker 1: be able to pass at one fifty, but not at
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  Speaker 1: the moment. So so I just went on my first
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  Speaker 1: caribou hunt this past year two and that was a
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  Speaker 1: pretty incredible experience. And now that you've been able to
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  Speaker 1: do more of these adventure hunts around the country of
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  Speaker 1: the world, Um, when you look at that compared to
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  Speaker 1: your bread and butter, if your white tail hunting your background,
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  Speaker 1: is white tail still still your absolute favorite? Or are
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  Speaker 1: these bigger adventures and wilder places starting to pull at you?
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  Speaker 1: You know, they're so different. I think white tail always
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  Speaker 1: be my favorite. But the adventure hunts is what I've
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  Speaker 1: been I tell people, you know, like sheep hunts and
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  Speaker 1: mountain goats and all that. It's fun when you get
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  Speaker 1: home and you look back on it. You know what.
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  Speaker 1: The whole process of white tail hunting I love, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the scouting and out smart in them and growing them
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  Speaker 1: and running trail cameras and it's just a really enjoyable
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  Speaker 1: fun process. She hunting is not that, you know, she
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  Speaker 1: hunting is work and and just being mentally tough, and
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  Speaker 1: or any adventure hunt that matter, you know, putting on
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  Speaker 1: foot in front of the other and really a lot
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  Speaker 1: of miserable moment. But when you look back on it,
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  Speaker 1: you go, man, that was really cool experiencing that, and
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  Speaker 1: that I stuck it out and I got it done,
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  Speaker 1: you know. And so that's just the difference, I think,
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  Speaker 1: and in those two um and so I really I
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  Speaker 1: think it's made me appreciate and enjoyed white til hunting
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  Speaker 1: not much more. You know, when I come off these
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  Speaker 1: mountains and it's time to go white kil hunt, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm just so ready to go sitting a tree all day,
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  Speaker 1: which sounds crazy to some people, but I love it.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, No, I can a percent relate to that.
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  Speaker 1: I was having those same feelings after my September Alaska
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  Speaker 1: hunt and then did the Montana hunt, and then all
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  Speaker 1: I can think about is, man, I can't wait to
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  Speaker 1: get back to the Midwest and just sit in the
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  Speaker 1: quiet tree and kind of get back to that normalcy
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  Speaker 1: a little bit. But it's all it's all incredible. Um
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  Speaker 1: And I like your point about how a lot of
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  Speaker 1: those adventure hunts, it's it's what I like to call her.
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  Speaker 1: I've heard people call it type to fun, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Type one fun is like the stuff that's really nice
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  Speaker 1: and fun of time, like maybe I don't know, playing
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  Speaker 1: a basketball game or whatever it is that you'd like
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  Speaker 1: to do. It's easy and fun. And type two is
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  Speaker 1: the stuff that in the moment it's kind of miserable,
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  Speaker 1: but like you said, looking back on it, those are
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  Speaker 1: sometimes the very best memories because you're able to push
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  Speaker 1: through that stuff. So yeah, I mean, I've I've been
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  Speaker 1: on a couple of sheep hunts for I'm no, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if I'm ever going to come back on one.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if I can do it again.
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  Speaker 1: It's just rough. So and then you get home and
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  Speaker 1: you start looking at pictures a month later and you're like,
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  Speaker 1: oh man, you forget how how tough it really was,
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  Speaker 1: and did you keep book another one? And so I'll
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  Speaker 1: just keep going. Of those types of hunts, what's been
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  Speaker 1: the most fulfilling or your your favorite species outside of
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  Speaker 1: white tails them? Um, you know, probably probably either a mountain,
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  Speaker 1: the mountain goat I shot up in Northern BC, or
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  Speaker 1: my my stone sheep, just because of what we had
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  Speaker 1: to go through to get it and and just the
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  Speaker 1: story behind the whole thing. I guess that they're all
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  Speaker 1: so cool in their own way. But those were the
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  Speaker 1: two most physically demanding hunts. And the Mountain go my brother,
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  Speaker 1: who runs camera for us a lot, hell, broke his
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  Speaker 1: arm the first day and it was just, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it was just an experience and it's like, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if we're going to get it done. So when
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  Speaker 1: we did get it done, it was just an overwhelming relief.
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  Speaker 1: And so that one's the one that stands out, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a lot in my head. So, yeah, can you tell
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  Speaker 1: us that story. I'm kind of curious to hear how
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  Speaker 1: that all. Ye, So I went hunting with actually a
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  Speaker 1: couple of buddies of mine and BC, who are outfitters
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  Speaker 1: for Bear and moves Um but loved the Mountain got
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  Speaker 1: hunts himself, and so I got a tag or a
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  Speaker 1: giffing outfitter and went with those guys Marty and Darren
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  Speaker 1: Um with BC and Beyond adventures up there. And so
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  Speaker 1: we went and found a bunch of big ghosts. But
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  Speaker 1: it was like the Northern BC, a little town called Chetwind,
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  Speaker 1: British Columbia where we were at. So we went and
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  Speaker 1: we were three hours from no two hours in the
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  Speaker 1: truck three hours on a four wheeler, and then we
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  Speaker 1: hiked for another three hours to even get into the
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  Speaker 1: goats to glass and it's like ten degrees a foot
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  Speaker 1: of snow on the ground, literally the most treacherous stuff
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  Speaker 1: like you could imagine. I had no idea, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And Marty's like a little mountain goat himself. He's all
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  Speaker 1: over these rocks. I'm six ft four pounds, and so
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  Speaker 1: it was. It was interesting, and so we hunted all day,
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  Speaker 1: actually got in on some really really big goats and
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  Speaker 1: didn't get it done and just couldn't get close enough.
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  Speaker 1: So we were coming out in the dark um that night,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, were just forever to get back, and uh,
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  Speaker 1: we all wished we would have took a tent and
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  Speaker 1: just camped up there on top because we found this
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  Speaker 1: big like plateau. It would have been the most perfect
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  Speaker 1: spot to just camp and we could have hunted out
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  Speaker 1: of camp every day, but we did it. So we
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  Speaker 1: were hiking out and my brother's head lamp died and
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  Speaker 1: so he was trying to walk between me and darren
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  Speaker 1: Um so he would have light, and we were just
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  Speaker 1: coming out of this big rock outcropping and his feet
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  Speaker 1: fluff monament. He's carrying like a sixty seventy pound pack
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  Speaker 1: with camera gear and he tried to catch himself and
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  Speaker 1: his arm went between two big rocks and his body
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  Speaker 1: kept going and it just snashed his arm and it
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  Speaker 1: was nasty. And so we were still two or two
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  Speaker 1: hours from the four wheelers, and you know, five hours
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  Speaker 1: from any hospital and and so at least, and it
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  Speaker 1: was like jeez, you know, so we just gave him
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  Speaker 1: some ivy profen and wrapped his arm up in a
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  Speaker 1: schiffling and carried his stuff out. I mean, he was
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  Speaker 1: dry heaving, and it was an interesting night. So we
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  Speaker 1: got him out of the hospital and you know, kind
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  Speaker 1: of in infituated, and we all just took off back
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  Speaker 1: up the mountain the next day, and I was trying
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  Speaker 1: to teach my guide how to run a camera and
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  Speaker 1: and on day four ended up filming me shoot a goat.
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  Speaker 1: So it was it was interesting. Wo, that's that's the story,
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  Speaker 1: like the short version. Yeah, I think that I think
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  Speaker 1: that definitely qualifies as the type two event, no doubt
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  Speaker 1: about that one. Yeah. Yeah. And then we went and
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  Speaker 1: shot at Black Bear, four hours south of there, and
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  Speaker 1: my brother filmed it with his broke arm and it
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  Speaker 1: ended up being the largest black bear killed in British
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  Speaker 1: Columbia that year. It was a bow and it was
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  Speaker 1: just a crazy week, you know, it was you know,
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  Speaker 1: it was insane. So that's pretty impressive that he got
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  Speaker 1: back out there on the camera. Oh yeah, he was
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  Speaker 1: trying to go back up after goats. But I was like, ah,
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  Speaker 1: after that, I kind of fired him from mountain hunts
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  Speaker 1: because he just always gets hurt, you know, off the
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  Speaker 1: cliff on. Yeah, he fell off a cliff on my
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: mountain lion hunt, and just he's also since he was
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: a little kid, he just gets hurt everywhere he goes.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: So he's more of a white tie. I like him
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: white though hunts, but I can't. He's my brother, so
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: I'm constantly worried when we're on the mountain and something
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: it happened. So a little bit of a liability. Yeah,
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: So back to white tails then, Um, you said you
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: you hunted all over the place. It looked like I've
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: been kind of following and seeing that you hunted. If
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: I can remember, I saw Ohio, Arkansas, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Uh, Pennsylvania. Um,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: was there anything across all these hunts? That stood out
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: to you this year as as like a major lesson
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: learned or maybe just something that was pounded home again
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: for you. Did you come away from this season having
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: any big aha, Yeah, I did, you know, I um,
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: I feel like I learned stuff all the time, but
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: I had, you know, being a white til hunter growing up,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: just trained myself with archery tackle. If if the deer's
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: over thirty, you got any real low, you know they're
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: going to turn inside out, they duck, they you know,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: you're always gonna hit the deer hunher where you're aiming.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: So this year, I mean, we were just everywhere we went.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: You know, it was hitting deer right right in the heart,
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: which is a great problem. But normally, you know, I'm
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: aiming the bottom of the heart heart and hitting them
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: in the lungs because they're dropping on us. And we
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: just kept hitting them low in the heart and heart.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, man, I'm flirting with disaster down here.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: And I think we were coming home from Oklahoma, um,
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: because we did Ohio, UM, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Kansas, Oklahoma, Mississippi, Arkansas.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: I think it's how that went. But we were coming
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: home from Oklahoma and I said man, we I want
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: to go back through this footage this year and find
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: out what's going online. I feel like I'm hitting everything low,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: lower the normal and and we just figured out that
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: deer we're not reacting. Um. I knew that the new tracks,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: you know, the first year was shot at and I
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: went to a lower profile vein um and four fletched it,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: which is a real quiet arrow, like in flight down range. Um.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: And Randy Olmer used to do that. He would do
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: like a he may still do that, like a real
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: small six fledge um vain. And it's because it's quiet
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: and the deer don't hear the arrow, you know, buzzing
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: through the air. So I went to a four fledged,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: smaller profile. Plus the tracks is the quietest bow I've
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: ever shot. And we just figured out these deer were
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: not reacting to the arrow until it had already went
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: past them. Um. And so I had to retrain myself
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: while to not aim high, like up in the mid body,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: but aim a little higher, you know, because well, I
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: mean I've trained literally had to aim at the bottom
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: belly line of some deer you know in the South,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: growing up in North Carolina, those deer wild and if
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: there are forty yards an alert and you shoot it
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: along as you're gonna miss them by a mile. So um, yeah,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: just having to retrain myself a little bit with that
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: tracks to aim a little higher than I was used to.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: So so for people that maybe aren't familiar with this
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: concept we're talking about, you know, compensating for the deer
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: they're jumping the string. So so buck, here's that bow
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: go off and then he he kind of loads up
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: to run away and in that kind of he almost drops.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: And lots of times when people shoot high. Um, so
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: are you saying that you you do this on every
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: in the past. You did this all the time to
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: to make sure you weren't having deer duck there. You
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: were always going to drop her aim low even if
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: they weren't alert. Yeah, even if they weren't alert, I
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: would do that, like unless they're close, you know, under
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: thirty yards, really the blos was fast enough where they
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: couldn't react a lot. But um, past thirty I would
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: always aim hard, you know, like bottom third and that way,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: if he doesn't duck, I got him. If he ducks,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: you know, I still hit top of the lungs. And
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: so it was just I was hitting everything like, you know,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: three inches up in the crease bottom of the heart
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: and the heart and I mean one little bobble at
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: fifty sixty yards, and you know, I was just flirting
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: with disaster down there shooting low and because I'm so
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: used to them dropping, loading up to run and hitting
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: six inches higher than where I'm aiming, you know, at
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: fifty yards. So it was a little bit of a
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: learning curve for me with that new bow. Um, just
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: in a testament to that thing of how quiet it
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: is too. And I was I was pretty shocked because
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: we were shooting deer for twenty five years and I've
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: always had daim low. Yeah, now that's interesting to hear
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: that I just got my tracks and haven't used in
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: the field yet. But that's gonna be interesting and something
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to keep in mind too for this
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: coming season. Um. And I'm glad you brought up to
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: for for people that are shooting something else that's probably
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: you know, a little a little louder. It's always a
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: good reminder to be careful and to be kind of
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: preparing for that strange jump and aiming at the bottom
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: third seems to be something that more and more people
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: are realizing they've got to do for those longer shots.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: It is yeah percent, and I mean it's still a
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: great idea. Even if you think you both so quiet
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: that they're not going to hear, you still don't want
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: to aim mid body? I mean, I would, you know,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: I think the perfect spot is top of the heart.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: You know, if you can break, if you can be perfect,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: that's the perfect spot. You know, because most deer can't
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: react enough to duck the arrow that would be going
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: to hit him in the heart, you know, in that way,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: if he doesn't move, he still got him. But it's
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: just where I was aiming. I was flirting with shooting
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: too low. So yeah, so so speaking of flirting with
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: a disaster. Um, at least for me, every year, I
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: make a handful of mistakes that I look back on
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: and cringe a little bit. Did you make any mistakes
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: this year that you that like stand out and you're
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: saying that that was a doozy and you can learn
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: from it. Oh gosh, I'm trying to think. I though
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: I make a lot of mistakes, you know, maybe not
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: shooting wise, but um, hunting wise, I did, for sure,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: But I do it all the time. I have a
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: problem being way too aggressive white to hunt. And uh,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: you know, I think I get it, dear figured out
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: I moved right in on him. And so the main
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: reason is as I normally chow up at the least
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: or something, I got seven days, you know, and so um,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: this year in Illinois kind of paid off. I didn't really,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: I didn't really I think learning my lesson. Maybe it's
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: either in the aggressiveness, but I normally learned a lot
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: of lessons by being too aggressive. This year it seemed
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: like every time I did that, I killed a deer.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: So it's probably gonna hurt me next year. Um, but
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: that's probably my biggest thing. I have to try to
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: reel myself in when I'm deer hunting, to scout more
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: than a hunt and you know, hang observation, stands and
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: watch instead of going on I got these deer picked,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: I'm going to move right in on them, you know,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: because uh, that's bit me in the butt several times
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: on real real big deer in the past, I get
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: real anxious and get too aggressive on him. So so,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: so what is your typical process then for tackling one
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: of these quick you know? Seven day huns on a
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: property that you know, maybe out of state, that you're
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: not able to be on a whole lot. Um, how
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: do you go about doing that? How do you balance
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: that scouting and hunting? When do you strike? I'm curious
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: about that. Well, it's you know, most of these places
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: we have hunted for years um and have history with
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: and we run cameras on pretty much year round. So
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: the first thing we do when we get there is
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: is find out, you know what cameras we can get
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: to with whatever the wind is, and let the least
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: intrusive as possible and pull cards and kind of see
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: what what's going on where. Um. That paired with you
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: know past history of the place. Um. And you know
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: we already we go hang sets in the summer and
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: try to have all that done. You know, a major
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: pinch points and a lot of times we're still running
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: and gunning and hanging in the rut anyway if we
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: see something two or three times um. But you know
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: that's kind of the way it is. We we'd really
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: try to, you know, let our cameras do most of
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: the scouting force um and and just move in when
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: the when the wind and the you know, the weather
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: is right, um, or just when you got seven days
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: you kind of got to go in anyway, And you
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: know what we would do is is pool cards and
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: if there's nothing really solids that we can lock in on,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: we'll go sit somewhere where we can see a long
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: way to see a lot of you know, where the
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: does are at, if it's the rud or you know,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: you know, it just depends. It's every situation seems to
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: be so different early season, you know, it depends on
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: it the acorns are falling and and and where, and
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: if they're hitting beans or if they're dried up and
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: they're already all in standing corn. And the white tail.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: I think that's why I've fell in love with them
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: so much, is that it is never ending. What you know,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: battles and situations are faced with to try and find
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: a big mature buck. You know, yeah, no, no doubt
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: about that. I saw, um, that you had a situation.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: I think it was in Pennsylvania, Correct me if I'm wrong,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: But I saw that you had a target buck that
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: you were hunting in Pennsylvania. I think you call him
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: boswell and um, and then someone else ended up shooting
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: that buck and it kinda I could relate to that
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: because the last three years I've been hunting one buck
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: here in Michigan and it looks like he probably got
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: killed by another guy. So how did you How did
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: that story with Boswell go for you? And how did
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: you kind of process the fact that someone else got
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: him that hunt was done for you? Well, it was um,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: you know t a. I hadn't really hunted a whole
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: lot when we moved here. We bought you know, a
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: house in twenty five acres and shot hunted one evening
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: behind my house four years ago and shot a nice
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: you know in nine point and I just really have
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: a hunted Pennsylvania. Since I just kind of watched and
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: didn't have it here, I wanted to go after and
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: so I met a guy in this local area that
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: owned a lot of ground, um and he didn't really
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: hunt a lot, just a couple of days in riffle season,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: and super nice guy UM gave me permission to hunt
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: one of his farms. And it was kind of the
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: first time I had really fintured out since we moved
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: here to try and find a bucks to hunt this year,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: the main reason being Samantha was pregnant and do in October.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Urgency was do November eight. So I knew I was
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: going to be home and prime Whitehill that time, and
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: I wanted, yeah, it's perfect, right, So I wanted to
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: be I wanted to be you know, kind of set
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: up and have a deer to go after those last
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: few weeks October leading into November where I knew I
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: was going to have to be home and so um
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: he had you know a little ninety acre track that
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: was really good, and it was like ten minutes from
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: my house. So I kind of went and keyed in
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: on that and and literally the second year I got
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: a picture of it was a deer we ended up
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: naming Boswell and he was just an incredible deer, um
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: twenty four inches inside hundred and sixty inch, you know,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: eight point clean eight, just a giant and had like
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: ten inch brows. And I named him Boswell because with
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Steeler fans and his is um brow times looked like
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: huge field goal posts and bosswels to field goal picker
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: for the Steelers. That's how we got that name. But yeah,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: so I knew right then I was going I was
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: going to spend my entire you know, late October November
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: on that that buck, and we we passed a lot
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: of good news there um and never laid eyes on him. Um.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: I saw. I had him on cameras so many times,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: you know, and I had him coming into this big
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: greenfield every evening and like ten minutes till dark to
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: ten minutes after dark. And it was really hard to
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: get in there without boiling a bunch of deer out.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: And the main thing was after the hunt was over,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: if I didn't get him killed, I would have to
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: blow the field out to get out. So I didn't
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: even go in there. I was waiting on perfect weather,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: perfect conditions, and I was gonna go in and I
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: would have one or two chances to kill him on
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: that spot before I blew it. And I remember October, Um,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: me and Mike got up when we went to a
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: stand probably two or three hundred yards office greenfield, just
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: try to catch him going back into the bed area, um,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: because we had started getting some daylight, real random daylights
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: of him. And didn't kill in that morning. But the
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: temperature was dropping and it was the first cold front
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: of the year, really, and it was gonna be like
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: a high forty five that day. And I looked at
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Mike and I said, ever been to kill bos Well tonight?
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: And I was just knew it. I was so confident
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: he was going to be in that bringfield away before dark.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: And got out to the truck, my phone rings Samantha
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: was going into labor, and so literally rushed home, went
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: to the hospital. We had Jackson, uh like two weeks early,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: come home three days later, go pull cars and he
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: was all over an hour before dark every morning, every evening,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: he was everywhere, and the daylight by this time it
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: was hot again. He's back to his right at dark
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: pattern and and so I hunted him hard until November six,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: and then we ended up leaving to go to Illinois.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Hunted there for a few days, and when I came home,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: season was closed. I think it closed on the evn't
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: here n p A this year, and so I knew.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: I was like, well, I'm gonna, you know, late season,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: when it gets cold. I'll try to key in and
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: tell him. And so rifle season comes in like I
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: don't know what's that right after Thanksgiving, and Boteo of
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: course has been everywhere on the farm daylight. But the
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: season closed for archery, and we couldn't hunt him, and
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: it was kind of brutal. But so rifle season in
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: and jason landowner um Is is hunting a little bit
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: in riffle season, and so it kind of called me
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: a little discouraged. Um about two days into rifle season said, man,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen a buck. I've not seen anything, you know.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: I just don't feel like there's any bucks on the farm.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: And so I was like, I'll go run, run a
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: few cameras and see what's there. And and uh, we're
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: out there. And man, I had him. He was coming
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: every day, and I just wasn't gun hunting and so
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: and I was because I was afraid if I went
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: in there and tried to kill him. A gun season
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: p A is like Michigan, there's so many hunters is
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: that if you were to push him to a neighbor,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: he's dead that day, you know. So I was like,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: I'm not going in there and gun seas and I'm
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: not doing it. So I just kind of slipped and
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: pulled a couple of cards for Jason and he was
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: all over it. In the daylight. I called him at
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: probably twelve thirty one and said, hey, man, I said,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: there's a giant and he's you know, he's coming out
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: and back into this greenfield every night, you know. And
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: so he rushed home, jumped up in a box line
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: and shot him right before dark and called me, you know,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: and and uh, I was so pumped for him. He's
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: he's very unselfish guy to let me hunt his farm
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: all year, and so I definitely wasn't gonna keep info
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: from him, you know. And and uh so I was
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: happy for him that he got him. And it was
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: cool he called me and let me come out and
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: we kind of helped in the recovery, and it was
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: cool to hold him, you know, after hunting him all
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: year long. So wow, that's the story of Boswell. Heck
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: of a story. Gotta be a little bitter sweet, I
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: know that feeling, But like you said, it was. I mean,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: obviously you put so much energy into it there, and
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: I could have killed him several times, just didn't. You know.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: He's zigged and zag the right way and just was
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: meant to be. That's what keeps us coming back for him, though,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: right The fact that's so darn frustrating and tricky sometimes
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: and a few times it does come together makes it
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: all worthwhile. So oh, I know it. And he was
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: killable man. I mean he made mistakes. I just wasn't
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: there when he did it. So, so you've hunted everywhere
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: from Pennsylvania where there's tons and tons of hunting pressure,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: to places out in Kansas or Oklahoma where maybe there's
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: not as much pressure. You've been north and south, all
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: over the place in white tail country. Um. If there
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: were any big picture, maybe one or two overarching like
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: principles that you could take and show to a guy
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: or girl who wants to take that step from becoming
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: like an average deer hunter to becoming you know, consistent,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: you know killer, a mature bucks, someone who wants to
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: take that next step. What would be the one or
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: two big things you would say that you know, might
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Bill help him do that? Well? I think, um, pressure
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: is the main thing, is um, because those big bucks
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: will pattern You're just like your patterning them. And access
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: is access and pressure It's what I've learned on big
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: white tails is the only way to kill him. Um.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: You have to watch how you get in and out,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: um to your stands, and you have to really limit
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: the pressure on his core area. UM. I mean, if
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: he's living on your farm or if you think you
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: know right where this fuck is bedding and feeding, you
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: literally don't want to hunt him until it's perfect. And
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: I like to hunt edges and real real I like
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: to hunt edges when I have time, like and and
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: not go straight and blow in there like I was
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: talking about earlier. But when you have five or six
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: seven as to hunt, you kind of have to get
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: in there and hunt. And that's where I was saying,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: I've made a lot of mistakes and getting way too aggressive.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: So I think if you're hunting the phone that you
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: was gonna hunt all year, you live and it's your
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: home state, I think, like I did with Boso this year,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: I played it really perfect. I think as far as
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: I didn't pressure him, I didn't go in there and
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: blow him, I was bed arry. He was so comfortable
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: even in the middle of rifle season because we had
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: we had not pressured him at all. We didn't never jumped,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: and never went into his bedroom. So um, I think
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: that's that was key. We just weren't there when he
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: came out in the daylight, you know, and so almost
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: probably wasn't aggressive enough with him. But I think, um,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: pressure and access you gotta have a way in and
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: out without blowing the deer out. And and that's that's
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: the same no matter where a hunt, everywhere we go,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: if we don't have good access, we can hunderstand one
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: or two times and it's no good anymore, you know.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: And it takes two weeks for that stand to be
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: back even close to normal again with deer activity. So yeah, yeah,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: So when it comes to choosing the right times to
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: to go in there after him, choosing the right times
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: to put that pressure on. I've talked to so many
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: different people and everyone has different things that they key
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: in on. Some guys are all about the temperature. Some
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: guys are all about the moon. Some some people it's
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: some combination of all the above and bear much of
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: pressure and all sorts of other things. Um, what are
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: the things that you key on the most? To tell
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: you that now is the time strike, I think time
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: of year and obviously, um, you know, weather is huge
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: for me. At the moon. I've killed so many deer
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: on a full moon, so many big deer that I
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: just I love hunting a full moon. Um, I will
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: literally you, I think you get real random hours of
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: deer movement on a full moon. It could be daylight,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: it could be a tin, it could be at one.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: You just never know when he's gonna come out. But um,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: I think the time of year, um and weather and
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: weather is going to pretty much trump everything else in
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: my opinion. You know, I like high pressure, sunny days,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: and and you know, obviously November the eighth, you know, obviously,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: I mean that's an ideal, but I mean, yeah, I
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: would say whether and the time of year would be
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: the two most important factors of that for me determined
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: and how aggressive I'm going to be. And and obviously
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: you know, cameras. You know, if the deer has done
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: the same thing every day for weeks, and I don't
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: have a problem of going in there at all, you know,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: and being aggressive no matter what temperature, weather or anything.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: How do you how do you sometimes you just get
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: deer that that I want to die I'd like to
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: find Yeah, me too. How do you how do you
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: go about using those cameras and checking those cameras without
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: putting too much pressure on those deer? I feel like
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: that's always really delicate balancing act. How do you how
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: do you do that? Yeah? I will, you know, we
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: will run cameras you know deep in some some bed areas,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: but we don't ever check them, you know. Um, we
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: check them literally if we go in and hunt and
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: have perfect conditions, we'll pull a card and get out
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: of there, um and just see. But we run most
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: of our cameras on food, um, just to kind of
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: get an inventory where they're feeding. And uh, we try
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: to run them on off like if we have a
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: field or a you know, on a destination field, we'll
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: run them on you know, fence where the fence is
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: down or or um, you know, trails in and out
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: of that field. Um, where we can get in there
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the day and there's not deer
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: feeding in the field normally and pull those cards and
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: get out. And the best way to do that is
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: on some kind of equipment, whether it be a you know,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: a Pilaris ranger or a tractor or a truck you know,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: because the deer don't really associate those with with danger
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: for some reason. But if they see you on foot,
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: oh that's a different story. UM. So we try to
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: do everything far as pulling cards right out of the
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: truck or a tractor or something if possible, and ride
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: right up to the camera and the deer even if
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: they're bed at forty yards in there, I don't seem
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: to really pay it much attention, especially in the Midwest.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I've definitely definitely seen the same things, and
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: I think that that applies to access as well. Um,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: would you agree, Like I know a lot of guys,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: and I've found success with this recently too. Sometimes in
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: a situation like that greenfield example you shared earlier, where
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: if you hunted right in the edge, you'd blow all
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: the deer out. I've had some situations like that where
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: I was on a field edge had to be there,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: so I'd have someone come pick me up in a
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: four wheel or something and blow the door off the
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: field rather than you on your feet doing that. Pent
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: I've sat in a tree for an hour after dark,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: maybe longer, waiting on somebody to get there in a truck.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: If I had a big deer I was hunting to
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: come in, you know. And so all right, that's you know,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: always better because those ye will be right back out
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: there the next night. Where if they watch you climb
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: down out of a tree, that's not to be the case. Yeah,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: you can't. You can't get away with that too many times. No, No,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: all right, Well, we are gonna switch gears here in
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: a second, but before we do that, let's take a
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: quick minute here to thank our partners at white Tail Properties.
• 39:14
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• 39:18
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• 39:22
  Speaker 1: with white Tail Properties, we were joined by Andrew Schultz,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: a land specialist out of Illinois. And Andrew is going
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: to be telling us about how shopping for land in
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: the winter is different than other times of year. You know,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: there's lots of differences, but the main difference is the
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: foliage that's um out on these properties. So with the
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: lack of foliage, it's great for being able to walk
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: around that property, um see deer sign from the past season,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: really get an idea for what trees are on the property, uh,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: what types of species of plant life and animals are
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: using the property. And so that's gonna be the best
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: reason for looking at ground in the wintertime versus the
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: summer spring, when there's uh, leaves on all the trees,
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: it's hard to see, it's hot, there's mosquitoes, there's ticks.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Might not be quite as enjoyable of an experience Um,
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: if it's me, I'm picking the cold weather and I'm
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: learning everything I can about that property after most of
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: the hunting seasons are over and you can see a
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: lot of the property. Um, that's my favorite time to
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: walk a farm, to really and truly learn a lot
• 40:29
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• 40:40
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• 40:46
  Speaker 1: what about this, LEVI Do you think that bow hunting
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: makes you a better tournament archer or that tournament archery
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: makes you more of a boat better bow hunter? So
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: which of those is more true? Which is a better
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: only a tournament archer? Tournament archer makes you a better
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: bow hunter? For sure? Was that? Well? Because when we're
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: out there shooting, we have to learn how to you know,
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: we shoot under pressure all the time. Um, and so
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: you learned what you do wrong under pressure, and you
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: learn how to shoot through the pressure. You can't ever
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: get rid of it, but you learn how to shoot
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: through it. And so I think with bow hunting you
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: don't feel that near as much. You know, you may
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: hunt you know, a month a month and a half
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: before you feel that buck fever kick in because that
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: that target buck is coming in and so you that's
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: the first time your heart's been pounding through your chest,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: you know, all seasons where in tournaments we feel that
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: every week, and we feel that constantly, and we're shooting
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: that constantly, and you just can't get away from it.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: So you learn how, you learn what you do wrong
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: in those situations, and you learn how to shoot really well,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: um when your hearts beating out of your chest and
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: your pin shaking a little bit, you know. So I
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: think it has definitely helped me um bow hunting percent
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: you know, in those high pressure moments where you know
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: it's you know, this is it, this is maybe the
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: last day, and this is the biggest buck you've ever seen,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: and to you get one shot, you know, and that's
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: a lot of pressure. And for people that don't ever
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: feel they don't know, you know, how they're going to
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: react in that situation, they don't know how they shoot
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: in that situation, and and so you know, it could
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: end up being a really really big deal. You know,
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: where a tournament archer feels that all the time, you know,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: so definitely helped me be a better bow hunter. Yeah,
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: that makes a lot of sense. Can you can you
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: talk about what that process has been like for you,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: you know, as you've gone through your tournament archery career
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: as far as the mental side of handling that pressure. Mean,
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: were you always just ice cold and it never bothered you?
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Or did you have some challenges with this and you've
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: had to work through it And if so, how how
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: have you been able to handle them mental pressure of
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: of these moments? Right? Yeah? No, I think in the beginning,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: you know, um, I didn't have too much expectation, so
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: my nerves never really got to me. Um. I was
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: just trying to hang, you know, and so, um I
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: want a few tournaments literally, kind of like the saying
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: ignorance is bliss. I didn't even know how important they were,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: you know, in the beginning, because I was just having
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: fun and uh, I really had no expectations. But then
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: when you start winning a couple of tournaments, the most
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: pressure I I experienced, really and it was kind of
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: in the middle of my career up to this point.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Um I started winning, and then people started expecting me
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: to win, and then I started expecting to win, and
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: expectation creates so much pressure. Um, when you go to
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: a tournament and you know everybody's watching every air you
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: shoot and you start thinking about it. Um, that was
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: tough for me to deal with. You know, I did it,
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: and I fought through it. Man had some challenges mentally, UM,
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: just holding it together a few times because of that,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: you know cloud that kind of follows you around when
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: you win. UM. And so I think now you get
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: to a point where you feel like you don't have
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: anything to prove really, and so I kind of broke
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: through that, and I feel like I've won enough that
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: I don't you know, I can have a bad day
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: and and nobody thinks my career is over, you know.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: And so for a while it was like you hadn't
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: one enough to really prove yourself. So don't let people think.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: It's a flute kind of mentality, you know. And so
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: now I feel like I don't have that. But you know,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: there's always a cloud of expectation, and I make myself
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: way more nervous now than anybody else could, just because
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: I demand perfection out of myself at tournaments and you
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: just can't be perfect when it comes to shooting a bow,
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: and so I'm constantly pressure myself to be better and better.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: But I think that's what drives all of us, you know,
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: and tournament archery or in any competition. If you get satisfied,
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: you start going backwards real quick, because there's some nineteen
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: year old kid that wants it as bad as I
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: did when I was when I was at age right now.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: So yeah, so is there anything that you that you
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: figured out during that time period that you learned or
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: someone told you, hey, think about this, or was there
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: a a practice or anything that helped you develop that
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: mental toughness or the ability to handle those moments. I mean,
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: for for people listening, I'm curious, you know, how can
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: we become better from this mental aspect? Right? Yeah, The
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: main thing that I had to learn was, you know,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: and it goes for bow hunting or tournaments. As you
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: focus on the process, don't focus on the end result,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: don't focus on what it means. You know to this
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: erro means don't focus on you know how big this
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: buck is and and don't choke and and you know
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: how important to terminate you just focus on the process.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: So you need a system, um and so what I
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: always said was, no matter what's your goal is, you know,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: you can't just keep looking at that goal and that,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: you know, putting your pressure on yourself to to reach
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: that goal. You have to look at all the steps
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: it's going to take to get there, and then break
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: that down into little baby steps and you accomplish one
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: small goal and then move on to the next step, okay,
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: and the next step and the next step. And if
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: you focus on the process, it takes so much pressure
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: off of you. Um in the longer run, and when
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: the smoke settles, you'll wake up and and you've reached
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: your goal, you know. And so a lot of times
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: and sometimes not, but that's just the nature of competition,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: and that's going to be the nature of bow hunting.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: It doesn't always work perfectly, but if you focus on
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: the process, it takes a ton of pressure off of
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: you to perform. And and so you're more focused on
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: doing that one little task right then how important this
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: overall picture is. And so when that big bucks coming in,
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: if all you're thinking about is don't screw this up,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: and you're naturally going to screw it up. So you
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: have to take a system of steps you know whether
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: that's all right. Let's okay, get my grip right, you
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: know I was pulled back, and make sure my bubble's
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: level and put the pen here and be aggressive and
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: pull you know, fluent. Just have a system of steps
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: in your head um that takes your mind away from
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: those negative thoughts. And that's kind of been the big
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: thing for me mentally, its is to focus on the
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: process instead of you know how important that's WoT is? Yeah,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: well and maybe maybe you just told us this, but
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: could you walk us through your exact shot process when
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: it comes to in the field there's a deer coming in,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: what exactly are you is going through your mind and
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: what exactly are you doing all the way from that
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: beginning to the end. Right, So you know my mind
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: is when a deer is coming in, it's you know,
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: it's kind of situational. But like I'll just take this
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: last you know, deer I shot down in akin soft
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: for example. Okay, so it's late and we got one
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: night left in the season and literally five minutes a
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: light leve. So when I see a deer coming and
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: literally the first thing in my hand is my range finders,
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: and so to keep my mind hand off of anything.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: I'm constantly clicking stuff in front of this deer and
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: and keeping my mind on how far he is, how
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: far he is, how far he is, and literally that.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: But you can do that. That takes your mind off
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: of everything else if you're focused on how far that
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: deer is. And that's been a big thing for me,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: is just keeping my mind focused on every step he takes,
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: trying to click him again and click him again, and
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: so or and if he's walking down a trail, I'll
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: go in front of him. When it's almost time for
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: the shot, I'll follow that down, click something close to
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: where he's gonna be, and then I'm constantly focused on
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: how far he is. So if he's a yard on
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: the other side, two yards on the other side of
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: that tree, that's all I'm thinking about. And then when
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: I come to full draw. This goes for tournament or hunting,
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: all I focus on is aiming, and I tell myself
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: that I just aim, just aim, just aiming, And so
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: in practice you have to really do some drills to
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: focus on just aiming and the release. Honestly, you'll just
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: are if you shoot enough, you should never be thinking
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: about firing that release or firing the boat, you should
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: literally focus on aiming. And that's just a subconscious movement
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: because you know, coaches and Olympic coaches and all these
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: smart people will tell you that you can only consciously
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: think about one thing at a time. You can't consciously
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: think about more than one thing, but you're subconscious. Is
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: pretty amazing how many things you can do subconsciously. So
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: when I'm shooting the boat, all I am thinking about
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: is aiming, and everything else just kind of happens. And
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: that's what you've got to get to UM to be,
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: you know, kind of reach your full potential as an
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: archer or anything for that matter. When you come to
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: full draw, you should never think about anything except keeping
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: that pin on on target m I UM. I recently
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: this past year kind of came to terms of the
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: fact that I have had some tendencies and I never
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: used to label it this way, but I've kind of
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: came to the realization that it probably is some form
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: of target panic UM. So this summer I started trying
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: to change the way I shot my boat so that
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: I was using more of a back tension type pull
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: through UM process versus just you know, punching with an
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: index finger. Um, so that's something I'm kind of still
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: learning and trying to figure out and get better at.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: Can you walk us through how someone can deal with
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: that issue, deal with that target panic or that trigger punching,
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: and and what the proper way is to to really
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: do what you just said there, you know, focus on
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: just aiming and having the boat go off almost without
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: even thinking about it. How do you actually go from Okay, yeah, yeah,
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: this is what I should be doing. How does someone
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: actually go through the process of developing that habit and system? Right, So,
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: there's really mainly two drills and I was actually doing
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: one of them here that before you called. But um,
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: the two main drills that would focus on, no matter
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: if you have target panic or not, is blank biling
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: and then just an aiming drill. So but I feel
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: like the best drill anybody's ever could do has target
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: panic because, um, what I was doing earlier and I
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: don't have target panic, but I literally it helps you
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: no matter where you're at an archery, you know, bow hunting.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: So what I do is I was at twenty yards
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: and I pulled back and I would literally just I'd
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: put my thumb on the trigger because I shoot a
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: thumb button and I'll blame my thumb on is bigger,
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: and just aim and try to hold that pen so
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: still in the middle until my shot started to break
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: down and shake, and then I would let up and
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: so I would take a breath, take a few minutes,
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: pull back to do it again, and just doing that
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: over and over without firing the arrow. So what you're
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: doing is telling yourself, hey, I'm in complete control here.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: I don't have to fire this shot as soon as
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: my pen gets to the middle. UM. So you're easing
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: that your mind and that anxiety of firing that shot
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: as soon as the pin touches what you wanted to
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: hit um, which is target panic, you know. So it
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: just it really does is relax you. And why you're
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: doing that. You're building your stamina and how long you
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: can name in the middle. And so the longer the
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: more you do that, you start being able to aim
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: there longer before your shot breaks down. And so that
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: is probably the best drill in archery is to never
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: fire an arrow and just do that over and over.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: And if you have target panels, I would say to
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: anybody that has started paining, do that in the off
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: season for two or three weeks and never fire shot,
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: lay your finger on the trigger and aim where you
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: want to hit, and lay down when your stote starts
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: to break down, and just keep doing it over and
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: over every day however long you would practice. And then
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: you're gonna be pretty amazed when you go back out
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: there to shoot, how relaxed you are you pull back
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: and aim and you're gonna be able to lay your
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: thing on the trigger to make a good clean shot. UM.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: And so the other drill I would pair with that
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: is called blank belling, and most people probably heard of that,
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: but it's where you walk up to a target, you know,
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: two or three yards, pull back, put the pin on
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: it where you can't miss, close your eyes, and then
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: just picture your dot being or your pen being in
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: the middle, and slowly apply pressure to your release t fire.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: It's just good fluent pressure, not super super slow, but
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: just steady pressure each shot over and over to so
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: you feel with that perfect release, that surprise release feels
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: like UM. And then if you pair those two drills together, UM,
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: when you combine them and go out to shoot, you're
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: going to be amazed at how much more comfortable and
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: how much more fluent, and your timing and everything is
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: gonna be so much better with your shot. So those
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: are two of the best drills that you can do
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: as an archer. Yeah, it's funny mentioned those. I think
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: the guys that have been helping me deal with my
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: issues must be listening to a lot of what you say,
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: because those are exactly the things that I've been I've
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: been working on myself. Um, that's good. Yeah, that's good.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: Your message is getting out there and it's it makes
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: a lot of sense. Um, is there any are there
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: any other things when it comes to how we practice?
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: Are there any other things you would recommend or other
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: drills or other um things that you think about or
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: do while practicing. You know a lot of guys I
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: think you know, go out late summer start flinging a
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: few arrows at twenty yards and they kind of call
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: it good And obviously that's not ideal. Um. Can you
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: can you walk us through some better practice habits? Yeah?
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: I think you need to set goals in practice, just
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: like anything else. I mean, I think if you go
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: out and shoot at the same four or five inches
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: circle every day or dot every day, then you're never
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: gonna get any better, you know. I mean you can say, yeah,
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: I'm both sided in time to go hunting, you know,
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: and and that may be true, but if you really
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: want to be the best you can be, you need
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: to set goals and practice as well. And one thing
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: that you know you can do is either move back.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: Is what you know? I think is the is the
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: best way is to practice shooting at distances way further
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: than you're going to be shooting hunting, because that shows
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: all your mistakes, everything is magnified. You know, we practiced
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: a ton and a hundred yards because if you make
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: the tiniest mistake at a hundred, you missed by a foot.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: And so whenever I shoot a lot of a hundred
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: yards um and get where I'm shooting really good at
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: a hundred and I move back up to forty, it's
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: like you feel like you can't miss, you know, you
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: feel like this is the easiest shot of all time.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: And so what I like to tell people that, okay,
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: what's your max distance hunting? Like, well, I won't shoot
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: a deer over thirty yards and I want shoot a
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: deer over forty yards um. I said, Okay, Well, then
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: why don't you practice at sixty or seventy yards. There's
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: nothing unethical about shooting in a bag target at sixty yards,
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: you know, So just keep shooting and shooting until you
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: you're starting to get some decent groups of sixty yards
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: and so then you move back to forty and and
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: that used to be your max distance. And so most
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: people will only practice up to where their max distances.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: They're going to shoot an animal. But if you do that,
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: it's always gonna be a hard scot. It's always gonna
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: seem hard because it's your max distance. So if you practice,
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: will you know, double your max distance and get pretty good.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: Then you go in the woods and the buck walks
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: out at forty You're gonna be like, I can't screw
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: this up. You know, this is this is a piece
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: of cake, you know. So it really changes your mental
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: game as well as makes you fine tune your mistakes
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: and tighten your groups up. So i'd say, practice um
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: further than what you're comfortable, make yourself a little uncomfortable
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: in practice, and and it'll help you in the long run. Yeah, yeah, good,
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: definitely good ideas. Now what about the actual shot um
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: or sorry, actual form? This is another thing. A lot
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: of people maybe develop bad habits as far as how
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: they hold their bow or how they anchor different things
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: on those lines. And I've seen a number of videos
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: you've done and some different things you've put out there
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: about you know, specifically how you're approaching some of these
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: different things. Can you walk us through a little bit
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: about proper archery form, what we need to be thinking
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: about all the different pieces of that. Yeah, Honestly, form
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: is it's pretty tough because there's really no right or
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: wrong forms in archery. Um, there's there's ways to shoot
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: a bow easier. But what I have experienced and learned
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: over the years is that if you can do the
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: same thing over and over and over again, then it's
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: right and is when it comes to form, if you
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: can repeat it over and over and over, then it's right.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: You know, I get beat by guys that have horrible form.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: If you were to say, draw up the most perfect
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: archery form and you draw that out, they don't look
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: anything like that, And then they, you know, are some
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: of the best archers in the world. So they are
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: the best because they can repeat that form over and
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: over and over. So I would tell you to find
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: what's comfortable and if you're just starting, yeah, let's get
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: somebody that it knows what proper form is and that
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: and if I had to say what is perfect form,
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: it's it's straight line. If you drew, you want to
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: work with straight lines, So shoulder with apart, your feet,
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: shoulder with apart, draw a straight line up. Your body
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: should run straight through your head. No leaning, no you know,
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: tilting or anything like that. And then your bow arms
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be bent at all. It shouldn't be um or
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be bent, and it shouldn't be hyper extent, extended
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: some some kind of middle ground there um um, and
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: just a real relaxed straight arm, that's what we'd like
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: to call it. But then your release hand, you want
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: to draw a line down the air shaft at full
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: draw hits your release through your hand and out your
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: elbow and be on the black same plane. Looks like
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: one line from the side. Um, not your elbow down,
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: not your elbow up in the air. You know all
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: that um, and that would be considered perfect form. Relaxed grip.
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: There's so many things that kind of go into form.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: But if you can find a system, form, anchor any
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: of that, that you can do the same every single
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: shot from one shot to the next and the next,
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: then it's right. And I don't tell anybody your form drawn.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: If they're struggling with their shot, maybe try to find
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: something that's easier for them to repeat. But um, yeah,
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: that's the main thing. Archie is all about. Repetition's being
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: able to repeat the little things over and over. So
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: I feel like there's really no no answer, no right
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: or wrong answer to that. That said, though, are there
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: any any form mistakes of any sort that that do
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: consistently pop up that like mess up shots? I mean
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: one thing, like an obvious thing that people talk about
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: a lot, is you know, uh over gripping your bow
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: and talking shots a lot? Is there anything else like that?
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: Any other little things that stand out? Yea, I just
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: don't want to Yeah, if you grip your Yeah, my
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: buddy dropped his bow on the floor anyway, that suck
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: you don't You don't want to drop your bow? That
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: can cause inconsistencies. No, Yeah, grip is obviously, um you know,
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: if you do it the same every time, great, But
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: you want to hute relaxed grip. And so what I
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: like to do is tell people with the grip is
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: you know, fellm up in the air like you're giving
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: a thumbs up, turn your thumb to two o'clock straight back,
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: and you put it right on the grip of the bow.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: And that's kind of the most repeatable grip that I've found, UM.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: But the biggest thing I see it with form flaws
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: is draw links. People have too long a draws and
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: it creates bad habits. And I see that more than
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: anything trying to get speed out of a bow, UM
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: and their drawings is way too long, and so that
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: creates target then because you're uncomfortable, tons of tons of issues.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: So if I was to say one thing that's the
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: most important is having somebody fit you with the perfect drawings.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: And to be honest, that's gonna fix almost all your
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: form flaws if you're both fits you perfect because you
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: have to be in a straight line if you anchor
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: the right way, and your drawings fits you. So that's
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: the most important thing I can think of, UM when
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: it comes to form, is having a bow that fits
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: you absolutely perfect. Yeah. I went through that this year
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: as well, trying to refigure out if my draw length
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: was if I was having the exact same problem. I
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: did some works trying to adjust the draw length to
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: try to get that better fit, and I think that
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: definitely does help. So speaking of draw length and things
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: on those lines, let's talk about gear a little bit. Um,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: how about let's just start with the biggest piece of
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: the picture here, which is your bow. What are some
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: things that people should be looking at or paying attention
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: to when it comes to buying a new bow, because
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of stuff sometimes and in the
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: marketing we see maybe pushes us in one direction or another,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: and we just hop on that because of the hype. Um,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know what you know, the different specificities that
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: might be. But what are the real things that matter
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: when a guy or girl is going to pick a
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: new bow? What should they be looking at? That is
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: most important? You know, most of the bows anymore are
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: so good that you know, the top end bows are.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: But I think, you know, I don't know that people
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: are going to look at the same things I would
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: a cat, because I work on them every day. But
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at lamp pockets, UM and axles and cams,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: and because that's that's where you get movement out of
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: both um, you know, and how those lamp pockets are built,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: and how those cams are based and build, and so
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: I'll look in to design on a limp pocket. And
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: and because I've struggled in the past years with with
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: you know, that being where the movement was and you know,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: but honestly, I haven't had a bow that I have
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: looked at in the last couple of years that I
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: see there's issues with with any of that stuff. People
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: are figuring that out, manufacturers are figuring that out. So
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: I think the most important thing for anybody going to
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: buy a bow is feel. I think you need to
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: shoot them and you need to feel what it's like
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: and feel. Um, but the draw cycles like you know,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: how it anchors, how it hits into the back wall,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: because everybody likes a distance feel. You know, some people
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: like high let off with a hard back wall. Some
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: people like spiral cams and you know, low let off
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: in a spongey wall. Um, it helps them aim better.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: So I think you've got to figure out, you know,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: shoot all the bows that that pro shop will let
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: you shoot, and and pick one that feels the best
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: to you. And and because honest to God, nowadays all
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: the top end bow manufacturers are making really really solid
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: products and and so, um, you gotta you gotta figure
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: out what what you like the best and what feel
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: you're looking for. How about actual accuracy with a bow
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: or forgiveness, which some people will say is something that
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: will allow you to be more accurate? Um, there's a
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: number of different factors related to bow as that people
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: typically say, if you get this is going to make
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: this bow more forgiving. But if other people argue some
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: of these, can you talk us through what a forgiving
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: bow actually means? And if that's you know, what are
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: the things we should be looking for, if that's the
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: kind of thing we're looking to achieve with our bow? Right? Yeah?
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: I mean if you shoot, if you've got a thirty
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: one inch draw and your shoot, you know, a thirty
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: inch bow with the five inch brace hide that eighty
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: pounds and three feet a second is probably not a
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: real forgiving bow, you know, but you know you want,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: you know it, And brace heights is all relative, you know,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: brace sites is always the number. You know, that's what
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: you know. You can decide an axle back. So that's
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: how forgiving the bow is. But to be honest, actual
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: the axl has really nothing to do with forgiveness anymore.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: I think um brace heights is is still pretty relevant,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: but it's all do or, It's all based on your drawing.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: So forgiveness of a bow to me is being you know,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: you're take into consideration you have a perfectly tuned bow,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: and which is everything, and forgiveness is having a perfectly
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: tuned boat. But then you start looking at the actual
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: design of the bow. What makes it forgiving? Well, for me,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: I have a thirty and a half inch draw, so
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: the brace height is how long that's that arrows on
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: that stream from the time I release it to the
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: time it leaves the string. So there's a gap there
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: where that stream is driving that arrow after you've released
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: the shot, before it actually leaves the string. So braceyde
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: the longer your braceype is, the shorter that span is
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: that the arrows are on the string after you releases.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: So you're this the less movement, the last time you
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: have to move off target, the less time anything you
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: know has to go wrong. So that's kind of in
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: the idea behind That's why I brace the bigger brace
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: sythe is more forgiving. But if you have a bow
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: or inch draw in a five inch brace hyde. That's
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: still way more forgiven than having a thirty one inch
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: drawing an eight inch bray s type, you know. So
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: it's um, that's all braceype means is and that's why
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: people say a longer brace hyde is more forgiven. But
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: you you know, it's all relative to drawing. So I
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: shoot a six inch braceyde and and love it, you know,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: with a thirty and a half inch draw It's just
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: it's speed. There's so many things in archery that's that's
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: a hard question to answer because speed also gets plays
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: into that because that's how long and how fast that
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: you know, releases to how big of a span you
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: have before that arrow leaves a string. So if you're
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: shooting a real slow bow with a real short brace hide,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: it's going to be less forgiving than a fast bow
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: with a long brace hide. So yeah, there's a whole
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: lot of different things that you can give or take
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: and pick your poison. Um. Now, what about this that
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: if you had to choose which one of these um
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: qualities of a bow would you view as the very
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: most important from a bow hunting aspect, Would you rather
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: have a fast bow, a forgiving bow, or quiet bow?
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: Which of those would be the absolute most important. I
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: realized you'd like them all. But if you had to
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: pick just one forgiving, because we're not perfect and uh,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: you know speed, I mean dependent on household. But if
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: it was just an average bow speed speed wise, it
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: would be either speed or or forgiveness because, um, you
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: don't need quietness if your bow is fast enough. Yeah,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: fair enough, UF, you know, and so um, but forgive
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  Speaker 1: forgiveness is the most important to those three I think
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: are accuracy. It is the most important of those three. Yeah,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: so you mentioned a few minutes ago that the most
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: important thing for forgiveness is a well tuned bow. Can
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: you walk us through, Um, maybe a couple of things
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: people can do to better tune their bows, or if
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: there's a few tuning mistakes you see a lot? Um,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: can you give us a few thoughts on tuning? Yeah,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: I think there's I think you know, most people don't
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: know how to tune their bows properly, and most people
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: on TV don't know how to tune their bow properly.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: And they shouldn't shoot lighted knocks because I get so
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: frustrated watching hunting shows in their arrows. You see this
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: lighted knock. It looks like somebody's using a sparkler down
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: through the woods that is going in circles. Because and
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: that is how you create a very unforgiving set up,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: make it really hard on yourself, you know. I think
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: you know, proper tune bow, you start literally from the
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: ground up, and I mean it would take hours to
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: go through it, but just real quick, you know, like
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: paper tuning would be a basic thing somebody should learn
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: how to do. Um. You know YouTube video I've done
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: on how to paper tune UM which gets your arrow
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: coming out of that bow perfect, your arrow flight's perfect.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: You're shooting an arrow through a piece of paper and
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: seeing if it's kicking at all coming out of that bow.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: And so we'd go to the extent of doing that
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: with no veins on the arrow. So we're getting the
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: actual reaction of that arrow with no guidance and getting
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: one tiny arrow hole through paper. Then we put veins
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: on it stabilize it down range, you know. And so
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: we're creating a set up that through a machine would
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: never miss. And so then all you have to worry
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: about yourself. Um. So I think if you add into
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: play human error and your bow shooting groups the size
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: of a pipe play. You're pretty much doomed at that point.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: So but there is you could take any I could
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: take any bow you know that's been built in the
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: last five years and make it a really forgiving setup. Um,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: just by how you tune it, how you balance it. Um.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: So many things go into it, but you can literally
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: build a very forgiving set up out of almost anything.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: So a big part of of achieving a lot of this,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: I think is that arrow set up too. I imagine, um,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: and this is this is something that I again, I
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: think I need to do a better job of myself.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: I I fell into the trap early on in getting
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: an arrow, and it worked for me, and I just
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: never messed with I was like, well that works or
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: seemed to work fine, and so I never really questioned
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: or thought through, you know, why am I shooting this
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: spine or this length or this or that. Can you
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: walk us through what we need to be thinking about
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: to properly match up our arrow with our bow set
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: up in our goals? Yeah? I mean, like I mean,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: the spines, you know, the most important, and a shoot
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: gold tip and I shoot either a two fifty or
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: three hundred spine for everything. I'm thirty one inches seventy
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: pounds almost all the time. So, um, what that is
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: is you know how weak or stiff that arrow is.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: So and like Samantha is draw sixty pounds, she shoots
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: a five hundred spine arrow, so you know, and I
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: mean you can look on the spine charts of all
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: the arrows that find out kind of where you need
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: to be. But you know, the more I kind of
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: give you an idea what effects that. So like you
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: can take a four I can take a three hundred
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: spinario and make it shoot like a four hundred spine
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: arrow if I put you know, three grain point in
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: front of it, because it weakens that that spine up.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: You know. So the heavier and arrow is on the
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: heavier point you put in it, the weaker the spine
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: gets um. And the longer you cut it or the
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: longer you leave it, the weaker it is. So if
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: you want to stiffen an arrow up and so through paper,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: a week tear is a high hair. So if you're
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: get in a high tear and you can't get it out,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: you probably have a weak arrow. So what you can
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: need to do is cut some off of the arrow
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: or put a lighter point in it, or last case
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: or worst case scenario, get a stiffer spine um and
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: vice versa. If you shoot through and your knock low
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: a lot of times, that's a stiff arrow and you're
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: gonna want to, you know, put more weight in front
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: of it, you know, cut it longer, or get a
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: weaker spine arrow, you know. And that was definitely affect tune. UM.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: If if I had to say, we've wanted with more forgiving,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: if you couldn't get it perfect, I would want a
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: little bit of a weaker arrow than as too stiff
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: um for your spine. Like if you're a little too weak,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: it's better than being having an arrow that's too stiff.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: But obviously you want to get it perfect. Now, what
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: about diameter arrows. There's been a recent movement a lot
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: of people are shooting those much smaller diameter um. Now,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on that? Wise that maybe a
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: good thing to look cat or not. Yeah, it is.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: I like small diameter its like the you know pierce
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: platinums and and just the tiny hunt arrows for penetration
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: and they're tough and and all that. I went back
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: to shooting um kind of a velocity which is a
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: standard diameter. This past season, I just have a lot
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: of confidence in that arrow. It's just a solid all
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: around arrow. And I'm not a huge fan of outsuits. Um.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: You know, which is the sleeve that goes on the
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: outside of the arrow, and then you gotta screw your
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: arrow or your broad head into that, and just a
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: lot of things, a lot of components that have to
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: go to together, um, and it's hard to get them perfect.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: All the arrows the same. So I went back to
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: shooting like a two four six point two four six diameter,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: which is like the pro hunter velocity, just kind of
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: your standard hunting arrow and running inserts because I like
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: the less things that can go wrong the better. But
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: I killed you know, several animals with those pierce platinums
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: last year, and they're a great arrow. I just, you know,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: figured less is more when it comes to that stuff.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: So I went to back to shooting the velocity year
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: this year. Um. The Valkyrie is actually the one I
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: hunted with and it was It's probably my favorite hunter
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: I've ever heard with. It comes pre fledged four flashed
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: with the low profiles like I was talking about before,
• 1:13:14
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• 1:13:19
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• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: more than um, how about broadheads? Are you h a
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: simple keep it simple with a fixed blade type broadhead
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: or do you like mechanicals or what are your thoughts
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: on the right broadhead? Now, I'm a huge mechanical fan,
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: and I wasn't for years. I grew up shooting, you know,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: the Muzzy's, and probably because they were the cheapest second
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: finder the wasps at Walmart, you know, because me Dad
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: going there and by a pack of six and replacement blades,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: and we were good to go, you know. But through
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: the years of pulling our hair out trying to get
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: those tune and shoot the same, you know, I would
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: literally have to write on my veins. I remember being
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: a little and right on my veins, you know, six
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: inches left or you know, three inches low, and I
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: would literally right where they hid at a certain distance
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: so I would look at better. And so oh, I
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: got to aim at the right because those broadheads are
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: playing so bad. So when I was introduced to Swacker,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: probably about nine years ago. I literally fell in love
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: with those mechanicals UM, And the main thing is they're
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: the only ones that when they go into the cavity
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: of a deer, they open up after they go through
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: the first rib cage, so you're cutting vitals with brand
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: new blades. And that was the biggest selling point for me,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: because I would literally shoot deer with a fixed blade
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: or an open on contact UM mechanical, and I hit
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: it in the lungs or hit it perfect, and one
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: time it would bleed really good and run fifty yards
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: and the next time it would run three with jars
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: and I find mary and there was broke blades or
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: you know whatever. So with most broadheads, you gotta cut
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: through that first layer of fur and fat and then
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: bone before you ever get to the vitals, and you're
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: dulling your blades and you're breaking your blades off before
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: you ever get to the good stuff. So when I
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: started shooting Swacker, that's what I loved so much about
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: the design was that it went in and opened up
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: right as it went through that first ribcage, So the
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: first thing it cut was vitals with brand new razor
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: sharp blades, And man, I've just been in love with
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: him for nine years and so I have not shot
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: another another thing since. So, Um, I'm total, total mechanical
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: or really just a total swacker fanatic to be honest,
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: because I love the design and you don't have any
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: issues with family to open or anything like that that
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: you here with a lot of mechanicals. That hasn't been
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: an issue for HU. No, I've never had an issue.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: And I mean I've shot everything for muscos to Buffalo
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: moves elks, I mean everything with them and no issues
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: at all. Just kill stuff super quick. That's what you want,
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: That's right, Yeah, I mean that's the goal. So moving
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: moving down the line of gear. Then, Um, you talked
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: to a few minutes a while ago actually about the
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: fact that you use a thumb button release. Um, can
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: you talk a little bit about different releases and what
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: styles can help with different issues or different things. Are
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: goals that we're trying to achieve? Yeah, for sure, I
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: mean I I UM, I think we all probably grew
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: up shooting you know, the risk trap release or the
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: you know, the trigger releases we call it with the
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: index finger. Um. And so then you've got your thumb
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: button release, and then you've got what we call a
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: back tension or a hinge, which requires you to rotate
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: or pull through with pressure to fire it. And so
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: the goal with release execution is always to have of um,
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: that surprise release. You don't anticipating when it's going off.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: You're not timing it, you're not forcing it to go off.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: You're aiming and just applying a steady pressure to fire it.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: But sometimes with with like a thumb trigger or something
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: with that hard wall, that's either it's cocked or it's
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: fired and there's nothing in between. That's why hinge has
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: been so good for people because it has that little
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: bit of movement which is kind of a comfort thing.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: They can aim and just keep pulling until it fires. Um.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: We kind of look at it like, okay, if you're standing,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: you know, on top of a you know, a shed
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: or a building, and you know twelve foot to the ground,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: you either got to jump or you stay. There's no
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: in between. There's no easy way to get down there.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: You've got to jump off the leg, you know. So
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: with a hinge, it's kind of like putting a slide
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: there from the top to the bottom. It's easy. You
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: just get on and you just slide down in the
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: gradual motion and you know you're there. And so that's
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: kind of why a lot of people will train with
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: a hand And I do the same thing. When I
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: start feeling like I'm timing that thumb button, I'll go
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: back to my hand and I'll just start pulling and
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: concentrating on aim and then I can go back to
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: my button and shoot it really well. But I think
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: you need some kind of training device that's constantly, you know,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: reminding you what that's supposed to feel like that surprise
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: release of just steady pressure until it fires. So, do
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: you have a specific model that you would recommend as
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: far as a hinge and then an actual in the
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: field release, especially for someone like you know, selfishly, someone
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: like me who's trying to build this better habit of
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: achieving that surprise release. Um, is there a specific one
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: or two you'd recommend. Yeah, honestly, the the new True
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: fire Seer that just came out last year, it's s
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: e A. The True fire Seer is a hand release
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: and it allows you to to set it's the most
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: customizable hand release in the world, and so you can
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: set different link clicks. You can really customize it to
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: what you like, and or you can say no click
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: at all and a click and a hinge is so
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: you don't pre fire it, so you pull and then
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: when you hear that click, you know, okay, let's he's up.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: It's getting ready to fire, you know, if you're drawing
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: back or something. So I think the truth our seer
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: is the best one if I shooting tournaments and I
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: hunt with the seers um. And then the new one
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: that I helped design. The thumb button I'm shooting is
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: actually a prototype. It will be out. The spring is
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: called the snaps um and it is an unbelievable thumb button.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: And thumb buttons are really sketchy anymore like you get
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: And it's all to do with the inside of them
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: and how they're built as far as pre firing on you,
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: um and um. After you know, a hundred shots, he'll
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: start every once in a while, you just be pulling
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: back and they'll fire one down range. And that's why
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: I quit shooting them in tournaments, you know, several years ago.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: So we really went through a lot of testing on
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: you know, strength of steel and different parts and why
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: that was half in and built this new synapse trooth.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: I hasn't. Man, I've shot thousands of shots through it
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: and it's just incredible. So I think it's gonna be
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: something that's going to hit the market and be pretty
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: hot here in the next couple of months. Awesome. So
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: we would you say then that for someone that's that's
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: getting pretty serious about archery and or bow hunting, that
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: it really is worth upgrading to some kind of either
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: thumb button or hinge or something on those lines and
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: getting away from the wrist strap, you know, not necessarily,
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: I think, you know, again, a lot of the top
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: guys are still shooting wrist chafts. But I think you
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: need to have a release that you go to that's different.
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  Speaker 1: And I think it's either a different uh you know
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  Speaker 1: setting where it's harder or lighter than the morning you
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  Speaker 1: shoot most of the time, so you get a different
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  Speaker 1: field because what you do is you start timing that release,
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  Speaker 1: if you start getting a little sloppy with that release
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  Speaker 1: and anticipating when it's gonna fire, and that causes target hanging.
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  Speaker 1: So you want to have another release that you can
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  Speaker 1: pull out and literally shoot for a week or two
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  Speaker 1: and then go back to your you know, your trusty release.
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  Speaker 1: You know, because then you kind of forgot the timing
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  Speaker 1: and you can just focus on aiming and all that.
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  Speaker 1: So it really doesn't matter, you know, if you're shooting
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  Speaker 1: a wrist trap with um button a hinge, whatever. But
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  Speaker 1: I think you need to have a couple of different
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  Speaker 1: releases that you can go back and forth with and uh,
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  Speaker 1: it kind of keeps you on and so to speak,
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  Speaker 1: keeps you focused on what you're supposed to be focusing on,
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  Speaker 1: and that's aiming. Yeah, that's that's good advice and a
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  Speaker 1: good idea to switch those things up. Keeps you from
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  Speaker 1: getting too used to it. Um. I like that. So
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  Speaker 1: is there anything that we have not touched on when
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: it comes to archery? Is there do you have like
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  Speaker 1: a pet peeve or like a thing that you just
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: want everyone in the world to to know that you
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: gotta work on this or don't make this mistake or
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  Speaker 1: learn this one lesson. Is there anything that is just
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: so important that we haven't touched on yet that you
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  Speaker 1: want to make sure we we Uh, you know, I
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: think the most important thing is that we've talked about
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  Speaker 1: is making yourself uncomfortable you know, in practice and and
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: pushing the limits in practice. UM, and it makes those
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: tough shots in the fields seem easy. And that's the
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  Speaker 1: most important thing I think I've learned in archery is
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: is practicing making it really tough on myself and not
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: practicing to to stroke my ego, you know, and to
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: tell myself how good I am. Really practiced to push
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: push the limits, and I think that's the biggest thing
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: anybody can do, and it makes you better in the process.
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  Speaker 1: So I think that's the biggest key really probably in life,
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: you know, and not just archery, is to push yourself
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: and and make yourself uncomfortable and and uh and it
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: makes you better, um, whenever you're faced with a tough
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: situation and or you know what you've worked for all year. Yeah,
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: that's very very wise words there, and I think that's
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: probably a good way to end this one out. So
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: for people that want to see what you're doing, whether
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: it be online or on TV, can you can you
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: point us in the right direction to see everything that's
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: going on with you and bowlife. Yeah. On on Instagram
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: it's um Bowlife Levi. UM on the web side is
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: um bowlife dot com and you can pretty much see
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: everything there and then on as far as a show
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: we are on the Sportsmens channel. UM Wednesday nights at
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: seven thirty is our best slot UM or the best
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: time there. We are three or four times a week,
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: depending on the week. And so that's a Bowlfe TV
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: on the Sportsmen's Channel, And that's pretty much you know.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: On Facebook, it's just Bowlife TV. So that's pretty much
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: everything that we've gotten you on YouTube, same things that
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: we're kind of all over the place, and you search
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: Bowlife you'll find us awesome. Well, I'll make sure to
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: include some links to those things. And I'd like those,
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: uh those YouTube videos you've been putting up this year
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: covering the different both set up tips and things like that.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: You did a nice job with that. So if if
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: anyone listening wants to learn more about a few of
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: these things we've talked about, definitely check out those YouTube videos.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: Leave I does a nice job of going into more
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: detail and demonstrating a few of these ideas. So, man,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: I can't I can't tell you how much I appreciate
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: your your time today. Thank you, Yeah, no, thank you, Mark.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: I appreciate being on here and I look forward to
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: doing it again. Absolutely, good luck this season. Thank you
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: and that's wrap, folks. But I want to take a
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: quick second here to just reiterate something that I say
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: on every episode at this point in the show. But UM,
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: I say it kind of quickly and I say at
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: the very end, and I don't know how many people
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: actually hear it and and really process it. And it's
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: the fact that I appreciate you, UM, I really sincerely,
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: uh from the from the bottom of my heart, as
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: cheesy as that sounds, I appreciate you, every one of
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: you who takes the time who gives me, uh the
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: privilege of your attention and time to listen to what
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: I have to say, to listen what I guests have
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: to say. Uh. It means the world. Means the world
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: to me. Uh, And I just I couldn't do what
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: I'm doing now without you. It means a lot. And
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: I just want you to know that, UM, that I'm
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: mindful of that, and I want to continue to do
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: the very best job possible to serve you all, to
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: give you the information you need to entertain at times
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: to maybe help you, um, maybe live vicariously. There's some
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: things that I might be doing or to to laugh
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: at the stupid things I'm doing UM, I want to
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: be able to make sure at the Wired Hunt podcast
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: and everything I'm doing here's something that really brings value
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: and uh an entertainment and information your way. Hopefully that's
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: what we've been doing. I get some exciting things coming
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: down the road here that hopefully are going to allow
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: us to do that to an even better and uh
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: and higher degree. I'm excited for all that. I'm excited
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: to share all sorts of new exciting things for two
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: thousand eighteen with you. And UM, I'm rambling as I
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: often do, but the point being is that you guys
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: the best, So thank you for all that. Speaking of
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: the best, I do of course want to thank our
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: partners who also are a big part of the reason
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: why I'm able to do this. So I want to
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: thank those people, those companies. So thanks to sit to Gear,
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: Yetie Cooler's, Matthews Archery, Maven Optics, the White Tail Institute
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: of North America, Trophy Ridge and Hunt Terror Maps. And
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: with all of that said, UM, and I wonder if
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: any of you guys are still doing that drinking game
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: when I say all that said, if so, UM, it's
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: been a little light today, but there you go. There's
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: a couple here at the end. So with all that said,
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: thanks again for your support and until next time, stay
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: wired to Hunt.