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EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW: Dwight Eubanks – The REAL Story Behind RHOA, NeNe & She by Shereé! · Reality with The King

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  Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.
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  Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your
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  Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives of Atlanta, New Jersey,
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  Speaker 1: and my own creation, the Love and Marriage franchise and
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  Speaker 1: Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the
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  Speaker 1: Real Housewives franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset. in
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  Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or
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  Speaker 1: scripted as well. Raindrops on today's episode of Reality with
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  Speaker 1: the King. I am here with Royalty, okay? He is
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  Speaker 1: an icon, a legion, honey. He is the one that
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  Speaker 1: started with me day one, season one in 2008.
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  Speaker 2: He is the godfather of the peaches, honey. Give it
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  Speaker 2: up for the one, And the only Dwight Eubanks.
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  Speaker 3: Wow. Look at you! You know, I love you so much!
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  Speaker 3: Look at you. It's been a long, long, long time.
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  Speaker 2: How many years has it been, Dwight?
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  Speaker 3: I can't even begin to count. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: It's been a long time.
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  Speaker 3: So much has happened over the years. I know. Time
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  Speaker 3: goes so fast. You know, life just evolves. It just
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  Speaker 3: keeps going and going and going before you realize. We're
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  Speaker 3: almost half a year out. And it seems like it
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  Speaker 3: was just a couple of weeks ago. It was the
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  Speaker 3: beginning of the year. I know. So time waits for
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  Speaker 3: no one.
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  Speaker 2: Well, look, life may have evolved, but that face is
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  Speaker 2: the same.
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  Speaker 3: Do you really get it? No. You have to get
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  Speaker 3: the pool. Babe, the face is... Got a little salt
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  Speaker 3: and pepper. A little agent.
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  Speaker 1: No, that's the skin. Okay, so like Botox, is it?
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  Speaker 3: I got a little Botox, and that's it. You know,
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  Speaker 3: I've always had beautiful skin.
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  Speaker 1: I was going to say, because even when the girls
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  Speaker 1: get Botox, you can see a little pulliness or a
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  Speaker 1: little wrinkle.
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  Speaker 3: Your skin is so good. Well, you got to know
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  Speaker 3: when to stop. And my doctor is like, she's not
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  Speaker 3: having it. Me, I would want more, but she's like,
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  Speaker 3: I ain't doing no more. Get out. And a lot
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  Speaker 3: of times, people don't have that in their life. And
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  Speaker 3: they just go, go, go. And then you start looking
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  Speaker 3: like something else, like Avatar. We don't want that. We
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  Speaker 3: don't want that.
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  Speaker 2: You are as fabulous as ever.
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  Speaker 3: Well, thank you for old man.
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  Speaker 2: No. How old are you now?
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  Speaker 3: I'm almost 70. I'm just kidding. No way. Well, today
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  Speaker 3: I'm 55. Today? No, it changes. It changes? It depends
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  Speaker 3: on the day. You know, your body tells you your age,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and your mind over matter, you know. You
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  Speaker 3: know I've been through a lot, so. You know, I'm
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  Speaker 3: feeling good. You know, I'm really feeling good for real,
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  Speaker 3: for real. You know, in spite of all that I've
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  Speaker 3: gone through and going through. God is good and it's amazing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: No, listen, you are amazing and you have always been amazing.
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  Speaker 1: Since the first day I met you in 2008 on
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  Speaker 1: this little Atlanta reality show.
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  Speaker 3: Whoever knew what it was going to be. Nobody knew
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  Speaker 3: at that time. Do you remember calling my house?
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  Speaker 1: Yes! Because the thing is, so Raindrop, just so you
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  Speaker 1: guys know, I was NeNe Leakes' producer. You guys know that.
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  Speaker 1: And we obviously met Dwight through NeNe. So I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to have to call Dwight and be like, hi. You know?
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  Speaker 1: So at that time, describe to all of us, because,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we are... 17 seasons in and the franchise
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  Speaker 1: itself is celebrating 20 years of of the first one
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  Speaker 1: which is Orange County but in.
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  Speaker 4: 2008 Atlanta Georgia okay that's 18 years ago what did
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  Speaker 4: you think about these girls doing the show at that
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  Speaker 4: time did you always embrace it or did you feel
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  Speaker 4: like I don't know if the world needs to see this.
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  Speaker 3: For me, it was always cautious. And it was new.
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  Speaker 3: Reality TV was new. And we didn't really know what
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  Speaker 3: to expect or the direction that it was going to go.
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  Speaker 3: And it just took off. And it just had so
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  Speaker 3: many turns and so many situations. And here we are
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  Speaker 3: 20 years later.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And it's still going on. So it's been amazing. I
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  Speaker 3: didn't really go into it thinking anything. You know, for me,
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  Speaker 3: it was from a business perspective. That was it. It
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  Speaker 3: was to promote the Purple Door, to promote the salon,
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  Speaker 3: all of the charity that I've been involved with, HIV
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  Speaker 3: and AIDS, the homelessness, SCLC Women, all the things that
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  Speaker 3: I was doing. And I thought it was a good
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  Speaker 3: opportunity to get out there on just community services. And
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  Speaker 3: that was my objective. And then a lot of that
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  Speaker 3: was never shown. And it just didn't make good TV.
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  Speaker 3: You know, they wanted the ratchetness. And, you know, you
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  Speaker 3: have to give the people what they want. And it's
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  Speaker 3: still giving the people what they want. In spite of,
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  Speaker 3: you know. Do you watch it? I watch it every
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  Speaker 3: now and then. Not like, well, I've never really watched.
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  Speaker 3: I've never been a television person. Right. To be honest.
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  Speaker 3: And every now and then I want to indulge in entertainment.
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  Speaker 3: And it's entertainment, you know. And it's really interesting how
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  Speaker 3: it has just gone so far left. You know, we
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  Speaker 3: were catty, you know, but... It was catty with a purpose.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I think now it's just catty and just
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  Speaker 3: catty and it's just going a little too far. And
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  Speaker 3: I just I'm just afraid at some point people really
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  Speaker 3: think take it serious, more serious than what it is,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and they get their feelings involved and the
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  Speaker 3: emotions involved, particularly with women. You know, women are emotional
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  Speaker 3: creature and When you get that involved with everything else
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  Speaker 3: and you got the family involved. And we're all going
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  Speaker 3: through something. But when you get those emotions involved, it
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  Speaker 3: just takes it to a whole nother level.
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  Speaker 1: Did you think that, okay, when you did season one,
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  Speaker 1: you came in through NeNe Leakes. Describe to us what
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  Speaker 1: your friendship was like at that point in time when.
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  Speaker 2: She referred you.
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  Speaker 3: Well, see, I knew Greg first. So I knew Greg
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  Speaker 3: and I knew Carla.
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  Speaker 1: And just so the audience knows, Carla was a housewife
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  Speaker 1: season one for the first couple of weeks of production.
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  Speaker 3: And then she got saved. She was saved during that process.
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  Speaker 3: Not saved.
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  Speaker 5: Well, you know, because, you know, she... So you look
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  Speaker 5: at it that way because she got... Removed from the show.
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  Speaker 5: But you looked at it like it was a saving
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  Speaker 5: grace for her.
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  Speaker 3: When I say saved, I mean she got religious. She
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  Speaker 3: got into a spiritual realm. And she was praying for
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  Speaker 3: everybody on the set, remember? I do. And she was
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  Speaker 3: blessing the walls with oil. And she was going through
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  Speaker 3: her whole face. And I did Carla's hair. And so
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  Speaker 3: that's how that whole thing came about. And somehow between
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  Speaker 3: Carla and... Nene and, and Kim is how that whole,
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  Speaker 3: how I got involved. Uh, it was not a Nene originally.
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  Speaker 3: It was Carla. And, um, then that was not what
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  Speaker 3: they was looking for. So they kind of connected me with, with, with,
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  Speaker 3: with Nene. And, um, from there it just evolved. It,
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  Speaker 3: you guys were an instant hit. The chemistry was good,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and, um, It was a great relationship. But again,
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  Speaker 3: we allowed other people to get into our relationship and
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  Speaker 3: our friendship. And other people twisted it and turned it
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  Speaker 3: into what they wanted to be. And it was not
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  Speaker 3: necessarily the case. And I think she felt portrayed. But
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  Speaker 3: she only got one side of the story. And we've
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  Speaker 3: never talked about it. Or we never had those conversations. But,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we used to hang out. For real, for real.
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  Speaker 3: I know. We'd go to the clubs or we traveled
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  Speaker 3: and did some stuff. I would hang out at the house.
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  Speaker 3: And we had some great times, you know. And when
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  Speaker 3: the time is right, we'll reconnect, you know.
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  Speaker 1: The biggest thing that happened that we were able to
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  Speaker 1: see was season three. There was this conversation of whether
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  Speaker 1: or not you.
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  Speaker 1: You loaned Greg $ 10, 000, right?
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  Speaker 2: And it was this whole thing that happened.
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  Speaker 1: And at that time of filming, it was intimated that
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  Speaker 1: you were going around telling people he owed you this money.
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  Speaker 3: That was never the case. That was a conversation. Something
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  Speaker 3: was going on in California and Cam Zosak was there.
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  Speaker 3: Lamo was there. I can't remember why we were there,
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  Speaker 3: but we happened to be at the same time. And Corey,
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  Speaker 3: Corey was Cam's friend. And we was just hanging out.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, Kim was in her element with her wine.
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  Speaker 3: And it was just a fun evening. And Kim just
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  Speaker 3: went in. I mean, she just went way beyond. And
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  Speaker 3: I was just... I think it was at the Ritz
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  Speaker 3: or whatever hotel it was. And I was just shocked
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  Speaker 3: because she was telling me things that I didn't know
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  Speaker 3: and personal stuff. Personal stuff about Nene. Right. Okay. And
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  Speaker 3: I never repeated any of it. And I just kind
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  Speaker 3: of blocked it out of my head. And we were
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  Speaker 3: just kidding. And I made a statement about Greg. And
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  Speaker 3: I don't even know how the $ 10, 000 came into fruition,
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  Speaker 3: but it came back. You know, a dog to carry
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  Speaker 3: a bone will bring a bone. And that's who she is.
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  Speaker 3: And that's who she was. And I never rectified. I
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  Speaker 3: was hurt, you know, from the reaction from Neenah because
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  Speaker 3: apparently Kim couldn't wait to get back to tell her
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  Speaker 3: side of the story. And there was never a conversation
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  Speaker 3: about the whole story. So I just let it go.
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  Speaker 3: You know, that's how you feel. That's how you feel.
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  Speaker 3: That's your decision. But when you know who you are
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  Speaker 3: and what you stand for, you understand. And I understood
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  Speaker 3: the whole scenario because I understood Kim and Big Popper
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  Speaker 3: and Brianna, the whole thing, you know. So that's how...
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  Speaker 3: It happened. Do you think Kim betrayed you? Well, Kim
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  Speaker 3: and I didn't really have a relationship. My relationship was
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  Speaker 3: more with Corey. And Kim just happened to latch on
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  Speaker 3: to Corey for her benefits at the time. And that's,
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  Speaker 3: you know, there was no allusion to Kim, you know,
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  Speaker 3: one way or another. You know, we have always been
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  Speaker 3: cultural friends. with each other, but there was no relationship.
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  Speaker 3: My relationship was with Nene and Corey. And that's how
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  Speaker 3: that whole thing happened. And there was conversations that we've
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  Speaker 3: had and situations that I would never talk about. I
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  Speaker 3: would take it to my grave. And because what's the point?
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  Speaker 3: What's the point? I mean, why? It has no merit.
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  Speaker 3: So why bring up certain things I think you just
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  Speaker 3: need to take to your grave. And not worthy to
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  Speaker 3: be repeated. And here we are.
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  Speaker 1: So in that moment when you handed her, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: she handed you the check.
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  Speaker 3: Well, first of all, okay, we was at the St.
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  Speaker 3: Regis or whatever the hotel was. Lowe's. Lowe's. Lowe's Hotel. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: The way we got to Lowe's was nobody wanted to
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  Speaker 3: film with Bravo. Okay. Nobody wanted to film with the network.
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  Speaker 3: So they came to me and said, okay, Dwight, do
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  Speaker 3: you have some recommendations of filming? The hotel hadn't even opened.
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  Speaker 3: And I went to Valerie Ferguson and I said, Valerie,
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  Speaker 3: and this is a strong black woman that was over
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  Speaker 3: the hotel association for years, two terms. And she said, Dwight,
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna let you come in, but we just can't
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  Speaker 3: have no craziness going on. And I, and I told her,
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  Speaker 3: I said, it's not going to happen. It's going to
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  Speaker 3: be a calm evening. I promise you, I promise you,
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  Speaker 3: I promise you. When your word ain't worth shit, you
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  Speaker 3: ain't about shit. So I had confided into battle. We
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  Speaker 3: were friends. I mean, we were friends for real. And
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  Speaker 3: we get to the hotel and we're going up. And
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  Speaker 3: remember you said. I remember.
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  Speaker 6: The conversation you and I had on the elevator. And
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  Speaker 6: I was like, what the hell is he talking about?
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  Speaker 6: But I wasn't, didn't make the connection. I was thinking
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  Speaker 6: it was something to do with Sharae. Because the fashion
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  Speaker 6: show had been happening right around the same time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. This was season three.
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  Speaker 1: And Sharae had her fashion show season two.
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  Speaker 3: Right. Right. Okay. Yeah. I thought because, you know, we
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  Speaker 3: was going through the whole thing with that. What I
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  Speaker 3: did and what I didn't do. So I never even
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  Speaker 3: thought about Nene. It was not an equation. So when
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  Speaker 3: we got in the room upstairs, it was like she
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  Speaker 3: was possessed. And I was like, what the hell happened?
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  Speaker 2: Because prior to that, you had no idea.
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  Speaker 3: Y'all had an issue. No idea. No idea. Had no idea.
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  Speaker 3: And then she just came out. It was like veins
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  Speaker 3: came out of her. Horns came out of her head.
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, Okay. You know, I was not
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  Speaker 3: getting ready to have, first of all, I had promised
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  Speaker 3: that there will be no competition. And then it just escalated.
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  Speaker 3: And then they just started, remember, they just started pulling
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  Speaker 3: the plugs. The hotel, Valerie had given them the signal.
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  Speaker 3: that anything go down, just pull the cameras. And they
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: started pulling the cameras and it just went. You have
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  Speaker 3: a good. I literally forgot about that. I did not.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, he's telling the truth. I forgot about that.
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  Speaker 2: They were like unplugging the cameras, the lights.
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  Speaker 3: Security. The hotel security. So it just, and I was like,
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  Speaker 3: and it was what gave me the moment was like Carrie.
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  Speaker 3: when they poured the blood on her in the movie.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm just sitting there like, are y'all kidding me?
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  Speaker 3: Are y'all really, really Carlos? Are you kidding me? After
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  Speaker 3: I had given the word, my word, and it just,
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  Speaker 3: it was bad. And I don't think the television really
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  Speaker 3: showed how bad it was. And I was shocked and
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  Speaker 3: I was more shocked and devastated and hurt because we
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  Speaker 3: could have had a conversation. And I would have told
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  Speaker 3: her everything. I would have told Nene everything, everything that
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  Speaker 3: I could remember at that time had she approached me
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  Speaker 3: that way. But it didn't happen that way. So I,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and then it escalated from there to the lobby.
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  Speaker 3: And so when I get downstairs to the lobby and
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  Speaker 3: y'all separated us. And it took me, and I was
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  Speaker 3: hotter than fish grease. You were, you were hot. I was,
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  Speaker 3: I was more, I don't, I can't describe it. I've
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  Speaker 3: never really been in a situation where I was not
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  Speaker 3: in control of, of Dwight Eubanks. And I was out
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  Speaker 3: of my element. And I saw a side of a
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  Speaker 3: person that I had never seen. And I would never
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  Speaker 3: have a confrontation with a woman. And that's just not.
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  Speaker 3: You've never been about that life. I've never been about
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  Speaker 3: that life. You know, we can, we can have a, chitchat,
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  Speaker 3: a fish fry or whatever you want to call it.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm just never going to belittle a woman because
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  Speaker 3: I was rid by three women, my grandmother, my mother,
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  Speaker 3: and I have two sisters. So I'm all around women
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  Speaker 3: and I have the utmost respect for them. And I
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  Speaker 3: would never, ever cross that line because I've seen physical
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  Speaker 3: abuse in the family and mental abuse. So I would
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  Speaker 3: never disrespect a woman for that. And again, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I'm Pentecostal. Baptist, Holiness, Jacobus, and all other religions. And
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  Speaker 3: so my grandfather was a Pentecostal minister. My dad was
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  Speaker 3: a minister. So what would I look like? And at
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  Speaker 3: that time, my grandmother was still living. You know, so
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  Speaker 3: what would I look like having that kind of conversation
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  Speaker 3: with a woman? My mother, my grandmother probably got a
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  Speaker 3: switch to my rear end and just or extension cord
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  Speaker 3: to beat the hell out of me, even as an adult,
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  Speaker 3: because certain things you just don't do. So I gave
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  Speaker 3: them that that that safe way. And it's all good.
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  Speaker 1: Well, do you look at the iconic moment that you
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  Speaker 1: did that people still replay because you were so calm
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  Speaker 1: and collected? that when Nene handed you the check and said,
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  Speaker 1: here's $ 5, 000, you said, honey, it was $ 10, 000.
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  Speaker 3: And then you... Dwight, you ripped it up.
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  Speaker 5: But not only did you rip it up, Dwight, you
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  Speaker 5: threw it in the air like a fatty.
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, you are... Dwight, you are.
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  Speaker 2: Made for TV.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know where that came from.
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  Speaker 2: Because even at the moment, I could tell, like, this
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  Speaker 2: is who Dwight is.
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  Speaker 3: He's like, you've always just been... No, but it wasn't
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  Speaker 3: it wasn't about the money. You know, it's never about
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  Speaker 3: the money and and I've had money and I've had
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  Speaker 3: not had money so Money with something we can get
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  Speaker 3: friendship is something that you don't come by like that
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  Speaker 3: so I my circle is really really close and it's
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  Speaker 3: even more closer now than it was before so I
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  Speaker 3: Cherish things like that. So It wasn't about the money.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't about what she said or he said. It
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  Speaker 3: was just that I was devastated that a friendship that
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  Speaker 3: I thought we had was stronger than what I thought
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  Speaker 3: it was stronger than what it was. Because if that's
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  Speaker 3: been the case, there's nothing that we can't talk about
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  Speaker 3: and resolve. You know, it's never about, you know, there
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  Speaker 3: will be no divorces if we just have conversations, real conversation.
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  Speaker 3: It's never about the power of the pussy or the
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  Speaker 3: power of the penis. You can get some more of that.
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  Speaker 3: You can't sell it all, nor can you buy all
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  Speaker 3: of it. of it. So money, we can get some
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  Speaker 3: more money. So what issues do we have? I mean,
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  Speaker 3: you worried about that? They didn't get it all. So,
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  Speaker 3: you know, in my world, when friendships, true friendship happens,
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  Speaker 3: There's nothing that can come between us other than death.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: And that's how I felt, and that's how I feel now,
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: and that's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: So this happened like 15 years ago. Have you seen
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Nene since?
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: Yes, we've seen each other on several occasions, just out.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: And situations keep coming up, and trying society, the street committee,
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: keeps trying to pull us back together. In a good way.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: In a good way. Okay. And, um, and it's like,
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: and it's probably me, uh, not being the bigger person. And, um,
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: I just don't know if it's the right time. It
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: will happen.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Even 15 years later, Dwight?
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: Well, it's, it's not necessarily me reaching out to, and
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: to pass the olive branch. Maybe it is me. Maybe
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: I should be. But I guess it's my insecurity because
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: if it goes another way, it's like I'm going to
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: turn into another person. And it's okay.
• 21:24
  Speaker 7: So I've never really thought about it. I've never really
• 21:28
  Speaker 7: thought about it until now. So when y'all see each other,
• 21:30
  Speaker 7: you're just like, hey. We hug. Because even at the
• 21:34
  Speaker 7: Christmas party, You know, there was, was it the Christmas
• 21:37
  Speaker 7: party when we did that at the salon?
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: That was afterwards. Yeah. With Phaedra.
• 21:40
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Phaedra.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: That was season eight. But, yeah. You can keep up
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: with the seasons. I can't keep up. Maybe I am.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: I can't keep up with my name. So, you know,
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: so we've been around each other. Phaedra and Nene gave
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: the party. And it was at the salon. Uh-huh. When
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Portia was doing her... Might not... What's the boxer's name? Holyfield.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: That was the Holyfield tape and then the back of
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: the salon. Now, that was iconic. That was iconic. That
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: was iconic. Okay, everybody was in ball gowns. Bob was
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: Santa Claus. And we had the elves. And it was
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: a great party.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: It was.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: And all of a sudden... Portia go out in the
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: back of the salon. And I go out there to
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: see where she's going because it's like in the dark,
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: in the dark, in the back. And I see her
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: straddle this girl on the ground. I mean, she was like,
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: I was like, Portia, what are you doing? And she
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: got up. She walked back in the salon and she
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: sat on the bench. Like, and can I have some,
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: caviar and it's like this bitch is crazy for real
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: something's wrong because it's just now you don't go from
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: a thousand to zero in a matter of seconds so
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: it's like are they for real is this really really
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: happening and it was so.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: I didn't know you saw that!
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: It's not much that I don't miss. I may not
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: say nothing about it, but I see it all. Were
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: you shocked? Shocked? I was... I'd never seen nothing like it.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: And then when I asked her if she was okay,
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: she was like, yeah. She looked at me like, what
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: are you talking about? Am I okay? And she went
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: on to have a conversation with whoever she was sitting
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: next to. And I was like, you know what, this
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: is beyond my pay rate. I'm not, I didn't go
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: to school for this. I'm not a therapist.
• 24:01
  Speaker 8: But these dogs need some real help for real. There's
• 24:05
  Speaker 8: a mental disconnect going on somewhere. What Bravo needed is
• 24:10
  Speaker 8: a therapist on this set. And it's not Ayana.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: It's got to be, God got to come down from
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: heaven to give us a really understanding. On this and
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: this and it's still going on. It's still going on.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: That's what's so amazing about the whole thing.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: This is reality with the king and I'm Carlos King,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: let's get back into the show Are you gonna think
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: about you have always been this you've always been a
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: classy man I mean even look like you you've always
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: felt the need to bring class even when you invited
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: us to your home and Your home reeked of fabulousness
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: and art and all these.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: Wait a minute. Do you remember when Nene came to
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: my house for lunch? Yes. I don't want to go second. Baby,
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: that was awesome.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: But I said it.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: But say it. Say it to the audience. It was over.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: It was over, baby. You thought the goddess was heaven
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: from heaven coming down at 12 o'clock in the afternoon.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: There wasn't nobody coming but me and she and I.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: Deborah Van Treese had laid the table out. I had
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: pulled every piece of crystal, every piece of china, water, foot, baccarat.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: Everything was out. And then at that point, I was
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: really going through this art phase. And I said, get
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: rid of all the art in my house. Got rid
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: of all the art and brought in all this fabulous artwork.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: Do you learn the art?
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: And then the funny part is when you all came in,
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: Y'all looked at all this shit that was in the house.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: It was like, what the hell is this? So they said, okay,
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: who's coming for lunch? Nene. And I mean, Debra had
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: everything that you could imagine on the table. So they said, okay, well,
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: let's see what the back looked like. So we went
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: out in the back. And at that time, I had
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: gone to Morocco. And I had all these rugs around
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: the pool. All of these. Incense. You had a thing.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: All I needed was a thing. Fabulous. All we needed
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: was a thing. So the house was the French verrier.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: Outside was Morocco with the candles and the incense and
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: the pillows. Y'all went outside and said, well, here, we're
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: trying to film the ocean. So I said, I'm done.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: We went on the other side of the pool, and
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: I think we filmed some stuff over in the bushes.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: I was like, you know what? Y'all ain't ready. They're
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: not ready. They're not ready. They don't want it. They
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: don't want it. They don't want it.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: We wanted to think, okay, but one of my favorite
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: memories about your house, too, is when you invited her over,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: and you had those thrones.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: The king chairs. The king chairs. I just got rid
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: of those. Did you? I gave them away. Everything.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: And you and Mimi are sitting down and then you
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: ask her did.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: You choke that?
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Did you choke him?
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: And she picked up her drink and drank it and
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: you stood there like this.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Eyes wide open like.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah she never said.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: She did she never said she did she took a
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: step and your eyes was like.
• 27:30
  Speaker 9: Did you really choke but you should have if you
• 27:34
  Speaker 9: did and I'm not about promoting violence but okay if
• 27:39
  Speaker 9: you did I understand and then it was she and
• 27:43
  Speaker 9: Sheree so you got a double ass whooping can you.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: Imagine that No. I can't.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: I don't want no.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: Partner. But, and again, going back to what I was
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: saying in the beginning is that you knew what she
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: was dealing with. You knew what she was and who
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: she was. So why are you surprised?
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Is that why you felt so hurt?
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Because I didn't, I knew you were hurt then, but
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: I now can feel that when you look back at
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: that moment, you still feel a sense of like, sadness.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Because I never thought about this.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: To your point, the prior season, season two, her and
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Kim had issues. She shifted the wig. Sharae shifted the wig.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Her and Nene had it out. And then comes season three.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: What was interesting was Sharae, Kim, and Nene, they all
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: bonded together.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: And it was like it was a plot against me.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: It's like, And you were introducing Phaedra to the show
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: at the same event.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: And it was like, well, maybe they weren't friends anyway
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: from the beginning. In spite of everything that we had
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: done for Shit by Sheree. And it was just irrelevant.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: It was like it just went out the door. But,
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: you know, I can't let that define who I am.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: Because if I can help you, I'm going to help you.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: To the best of my ability. And when it's not appreciated,
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: you just move on. You know, everybody that say it
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: won't help, don't want help. Everybody that say they want
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: to get off of drugs, don't want to get off
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: of drugs. Everybody that say they want to get off
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: of alcohol, don't want to get off of alcohol. So
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: when a person show you who they are, we have
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: to accept it and believe it. And you know what
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: not to do. So yeah, it was like a tag team.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: against one.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: But why?
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: I did, whether it was a dollar or 50 cents,
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: if your man came to me and asked me for
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: help or whatever it is, I helped him. You know,
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: that was irrelevant. You know, what I did for Sheree
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: is that I'm not going to let her go out
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: there like that and not try to fix it. I'm
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: not going to set her up for failure.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: So explain to us how it happened when you helping
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: out Sheree when she was a fashion show.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: Sheree came to me like a week prior to the event.
• 30:11
  Speaker 10: A week?
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: Oh, it was like a week. And I went to work.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: You know, it wasn't together. And it's like, OK, so
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: how are we going to have a fashion show if
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: there's no fashion? So let's fix it. You know, so
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: I called in Clarence. I think I called in Clarence.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: and some other designers. I said, we got a, Vivian Jones.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: I called in Vivian. I said, and Vivian brought her
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: sewing machine to the hotel at Dunwoody. Dunwoody, yeah. Okay.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: She brought her sewing machine, was in the room sewing,
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: making pieces to make it look like something, just staging it.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: And that was my intention. Then I called Lucy Arian. And,
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: you know, Lucy Harris is training girls for Miss Universe.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, she was a muse for Saint Laurent. And,
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: I mean, I brought in... These are relationships that I've
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: had over the years. This is not something that just started.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: So I was calling in people, flying them in. I
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: think James came in from New York. Lawrence was supposed
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: to do the hair, never showed up. But, again, we
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: just gonna make it work. Glenn was my publicist. Glenn
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: Beam came in. He had the... sections, the press set up.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: There was no press. There was no media set up.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: Glenn did all of that and paid for it. I'm
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: not just talking about volunteering services. I'm talking about going
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: into your pockets. Did it go in your pocket?
• 31:42
  Speaker 11: Yes.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, it didn't happen. Nobody's giving you fabric for free.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Do you remember how much you gave to the fashion shows?
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: A lot.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: More than $ 10, 000? It was a lot. You're talking about
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: airline tickets. I brought in people. Remember the mink chinchilla shorts?
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: And then somebody, I can't remember, was, what's the, Michael Kors?
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: Or somebody said it was tacky. But that inspiration came
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: from Saint Laurent. Luciera was the model that wore it
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: for Saint Laurent. And I put the same thing in
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: this show, and it was tacky. So a white man
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: can do it, but a black man can do it
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: in this tacky. Really? What's really going on? This is
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: nothing new. So, but we did it. And she pretended
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: like we didn't do nothing but show up. Can you
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: imagine what it had been had we not stepped in?
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: But again, when I get involved, I get involved 100%. Otherwise,
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: I just step away, don't get involved. But it's all good.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: No, the thing is, I was there, so I know
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: how much work. Everything you're saying, I remember... It was
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: second season, and I just remember.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: The people you're describing. I remember the lady sewing, the
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: sewing machine. I remember all those things, the media.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: I remember those. James came in from Boston, or was
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: it from New York? We brought in a whole hair team.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: We brought in a whole makeup team.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: And this is all out of pocket from you?
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: Who else was going to pay for it? She already
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: didn't have the money to pay for it. She didn't
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: even know what I was doing. Sharae was even, what,
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: an hour late for the show. So where was she?
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: Is it true that.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Because I remember you doing an interview.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: You said Sharae did not see the clothes until the
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: day of.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: She didn't. She didn't. And those were my samples. They
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: weren't her samples. I just started doing something to make
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: a collection. And then people started calling, trying to buy.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: And I was like, well... okay, sure.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: What are we going to do? Let's set up the website.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: I can't remember what it was, one item or something
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: that was in a show that people really was trying
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: to buy. I remember. And I called, I said, okay, sure.
• 34:06
  Speaker 11: Right.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: We need to produce this and just go run and
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: take pre-orders. But I guess she was just doing this
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: for the show. And I didn't know that. I just
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: thought you was for real. And, uh, I went and
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: ran with it. And, um, was trying to make her,
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: it said she by Sheree, it didn't say Dwight by
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: Sheree or whatever. It was she by Sheree. So here
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: we are. So you all say you want a show,
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: but you don't really want a show. Because it really,
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: the one person that has been on this network that
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: really got it and understood, and that was Candy. That
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: was out of everybody that has been on the show,
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: Candy understood the assignment, and she ran with it, and
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: she got her money. And everybody had that opportunity, but
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: they got caught up into... Remember, I went to... What's
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: the designer that did Rwanda? Carter, Carter, Carter. Ruth Carter.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: I had gone to the Atelier in L.A. They was
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: giving the clothes. They shipped clothes for the girls to wear.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: They didn't want none of it. Beautiful crocodile bats, but
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: somehow we have gotten so obsessed with society and what
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: society said we should be doing to everything that we wear,
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: we are making it. But for some reason we don't
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: support them. And that has always been my mission because
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: fashion is my background. Beauty is my background. So my
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: thing is how do I promote these people that are
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: really talented. I mean, these young kids that's coming out
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: now are, I mean, they are a beast when it
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: comes to design, but they need a platform. So that
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: was always my objective to Liz Russell and, I mean,
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: Barbara Bates. These are people I've known for over the years,
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: not just locally, but international. So pick up a telephone
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: and call and say, okay, send me this, send me
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: this shoe. I'd much rather have go kill this crocodile
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: and said, I'm going to paint it, dye it this color,
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: make me a bag. And it wouldn't be $ 50, 000. A
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: real genuine crocodile. But we don't want that. We want
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: the Hermes and the things that the masses have. But
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: somehow society has really messed us up and conditioned us
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: to think that we're not worthy. You know, all this
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: hair that the girls are wearing. What is it? What
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: animal is growing hair that fast? You know, what human
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: is growing that? All over the world. And I'm talking
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: about dancers are changing their hair color and their length
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: every day. So, horse? How many horses in the world?
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: I'm talking about in the world. Not just Atlanta. All
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: over the world. So, what is this that the black
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: dolls are putting in their head? You know, and they
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: want to say it's relaxers that has my mouth. Well,
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: everything has formaldehyde in it. It's connected to your eyes,
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: your nose, your ears, your mouth, your skin. And you're
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: living and breathing this. What is this chemical that we're doing?
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: But everybody, when did a black doll have hair down
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: to her knee? And shiny. I mean, like, shiny, shiny.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: You know, it's Avatar. Avatar has taken over.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Not Avatar.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: That's what they look like. You're not impressed. With the
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: beauty now? Yes. Oh, absolutely not. There is no beauty.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: There is no beauty. There is no glamour. Period. Everybody
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: got a part down the middle and down their back.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: The bust out. And it's shiny like lacquer. The black
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: doll has never had no shiny hair like that. It
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: just doesn't exist. God gave the black woman her face.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: That's the black woman. Her eyes, her lips, her nose,
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: her forehead. It's her beauty. And you pull that hair
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: off her face, she can shut down any room she
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: goes in with nothing. God gave white women hair because
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: they don't look like nothing. They have no complexion. They
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: have no lips. They have no cheekbones. So they've got
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: to have some hair to soften up the rest.
• 38:36
  Speaker 12: You're looking at me like I'm... But I'm just saying
• 38:41
  Speaker 12: that Somehow, the black woman has lost her identity.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: And she don't understand her wealth and her worth and
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: her beauty. And it's time now. It's time now to
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: come back around. But those that have hair, you got
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: to realize a lot of them don't have no hair
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: and it's never going to come back. So they got
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: to live in the wig. Lace France, nothing new. Lace
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: France was back in the opera days. from the Asian opera,
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: they transformed men into women. They castrated them so they
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: can have the notes. That's when female impersonation started. This
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: is nothing new. Homosexuality is nothing new. This is old.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: Lashes was not to be butterflies on your eyes. It
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: was for the balcony. You paint the stage, the theater
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: for the balcony. The front row can see because they're
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: right there. You're painting for the balcony. Fashion 101.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: So talk to me about Dwight Eubanks as a kid.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: Like, who.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Were you always this confident, this fabulous, into fashion?
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely. That's all I knew. You know, I flunked him.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: I flunked him three times. True story. What did you
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: not do? I didn't work out. I wasn't playing no games.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: I wasn't playing with no balls. Those kind of balls, anyway. So,
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: Miss Jackson finally came to me. And my mother was.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: Number 13 out of 14 kids. I love that. Thank you.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: She was not going to press no blue jeans or
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: do all this stuff that she had to do. So
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: I wore a suit to school. You wore a suit? Yeah.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: At what age? Probably, I wore dress pants and short
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: pants and white shoes to school when I was in kindergarten.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: And so we dressed. My mother dressed my sister and
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: I like we was going to church Sunday morning. And,
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: of course, the girls at school didn't like my sister
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: because she had bowls and ruffles and all that shit.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: And finally, my Belinda Butler used to beat my sister
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: up every day on the way home and pull all
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: her ribbons out and tear all her clothes off. So
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: my mother finally said, you come home one more time
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: with those clothes off, I'm going to whoop you. So
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: that's when we teamed up together. I would fight for her.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: She would fight for me. I was always skinny. I mean,
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: I'm fat now. But back then, I was really, really
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: thin and skinny.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: How old were you when you first heard the word skinny?
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: Oh, shit. Being referred to as what? Probably kindergarten. Early on,
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: you know. So you always were effeminate? I guess it
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: was more I was shy. Okay. When I was on
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: the first season of Housewide, my mother was shocked because
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: I was always quiet. She said she never knew that
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: I talked. And to see me talk that much, even
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: now today, she's still in shock because I was always
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: that shy, quiet guy. that was just always in the corner. So, um,
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: I don't think we did was with the church, you know,
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: it was Sunday, Bob, um, Bible studies on Wednesday, Usher board, Friday,
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: fish fry, and this meeting choir rehearsal. That was our life.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: And then when the family discovered my lifestyle, it, everything shifted. So, um, wait,
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: how old were you when they discover your lifestyle? I
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: think I was probably in the 10th grade. What happened?
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: My mother was nosy and was eavesdropping on the conversation
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: I was having with my boyfriend at that time, who was,
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: I was, what, 16 or 17? 16. So he, John
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: had to be 16, 18, about in his 20s, 21,
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: because he had his own apartment. So, baby, that's a
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: whole nother world. But I was, I was, in kindergarten,
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: I had girlfriends. And I had boyfriends too. In kindergarten? Oh, yeah.
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: If you didn't bring me Now Laters, you could be
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: my girlfriend. And if you didn't bring me Yellow Now Laters,
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: you could be my girlfriend. But if you brought me
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: the great ones, you could be my girlfriend. I love
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: the Now Laters. What would the boys bring you? Now Laters.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: Or blow pop. And it's really interesting. Um, the first guy, uh,
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: we're still friends. They still live in Atlanta.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: The F like five.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: You know, people have to realize you're curious at five
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: years old. Yes. You know, you just want to, you know,
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: your mom said, don't touch it. You know, you touched it.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: You know, don't look at it. You look at it.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: If they just had those conversations with, The world would
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: be better. And they just think their kids are not...
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: And it's worse now than it was back then because
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: everything is on television. So, yeah, I was running girls. And,
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: you know, you used to put the mirror on our
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: shoe and put a rubber band around it. And some
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: of the girls turned. Right. So, okay, you're much younger
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: than I. It's the same thing.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: So... I didn't know what I was doing. It was
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: just one of those things, you know, and I don't
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: even know where I learned how to do it. But
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: there's a committee in the street teaching all young kids
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: everything they need to know bad. They're not teaching them
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: about no bank account or about buying no land. They're
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: not teaching them anything constructed. All the things that I've
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: learned bad, I learned in the street. You know, and
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: there's a trial, a It's trial and.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: Error for sure.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: Every day.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: Do you remember the first time you were intimate with
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: a man?
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: Was it with a 20-something-year-old boyfriend?
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: Oh, no. It was in first grade.
• 45:17
  Speaker 10: Don't.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Don't.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: Dwight. When you ask him, and I'm telling you.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: What happened in first grade?
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: You show me yours, I'll show you mine. Oh, that. Okay.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: And then you touch it, and I'll touch yours. And
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: then it starts getting hard. Nobody had to, you know,
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: I can remember vividly the very first wintering I had.
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: And I didn't understand it. We never had, I never
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: had a conversation. And it was just sticky. I just
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: woke up and it was just wet and sticky. And
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: it felt good. I liked it. And so I waited.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: How old were you?
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: Oh, I can't remember. Okay. It was, it was. maybe
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: 10 or 12, something around there, whenever your dick started
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: getting hard is when it happened. It got to come
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: out some kind of way. So it happened and I
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: liked it. So it didn't matter to me if it
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: was a boy or a girl, and it still don't.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: Because you've been intimate with men and women. Oh, absolutely.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: Do you prefer one over the other? I prefer a
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: man over woman, but it's more of a challenge to
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: be with a woman than it is for a man.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: And I'll climax easier with a man than I will
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: a woman. My responsibility, civic responsibility, my moral responsibility is
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: to turn a woman out. It's just that You just
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: got to get down there and talk to it every
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: now and then and put your eyes down there and
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: talk to it. It's just fascinating.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: What does it say back to you?
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: Oh, whatever I wanted to say.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: It purrs?
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: Yes. Oh.
• 47:01
  Speaker 11: You know, but it's that, I guess it's just a
• 47:07
  Speaker 11: control thing that I know I have the power to
• 47:13
  Speaker 11: really take her in a place that she's never been before.
• 47:16
  Speaker 11: Because it's more for a woman, it's more of a
• 47:19
  Speaker 11: challenge for them to.
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: Turn out a gay guy. They feel they can switch them.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: So it's a challenge to them that they can convert me,
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: or a bisexual man, being that they're a woman, but
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: it's more of a challenge to me to turn them
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: sexually and mentally, to stimulate them to a point that
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: they've never been before. by a bisexual man or a
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: gay man. So it's more of a challenge than anything.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: And I just get off on it.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: What was the last time you were with a woman intimately?
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: Yesterday. I mean, I can't believe it. No, I'm just kidding.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: It's been a couple of years. It's been a couple
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: of years. It's been a couple of years? That's recent. Yeah, because...
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: Because I get more hits from women than I do guys. Fact.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: I get more, I can get more women than I
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: could ever get men. Men are, I think, men just,
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: I don't know, they're just intimidated by me or I
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: don't know what it is. But, you know, I haven't
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: been in a relationship, oh my God, over 10 years.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: What happened in your last relationship?
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: That's a whole other chapter. That was with someone that
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: I had been dating on and off for 20 years.
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: Allegedly bisexual. And he would come and go and come
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: and go and come and go. And then my last
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: real relationship, we just... I guess I was just trying
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: to be more nurturing and uh because i was older
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: and we just got caught up we got caught up
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: um and drugs and got caught up in alcohol the
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: both of you there yes okay and um At some point,
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: you know, I tried to get them help, and they
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: had a chemical imbalance. And from that, they just wasn't
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: ready to get help. And friends got involved. And allegedly
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: friends got involved that should not have gotten involved and
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: took it to my parents. It just wasn't a good situation.
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: But I loved him. I loved him dearly. And I've
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: had some great relationships. And that's what allowed me to travel.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: Because my first real relationship was a guy from Australia.
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: It was in the coffee business. So that's how I
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: got through school, was through Nick. Because my mother wasn't
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: paying for me to go to a beauty school at all.
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: I went to Morehouse for a day. because that's what
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: they said I was going to do. And from there,
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: you know, Tony Gambino, from the Gambino family, and Edmond Boudier.
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: So I've had some really great relationships, and I think
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: the standard is so high to, I know, now what
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: I'm willing to accept and what I'm not willing to accept. And,
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: and it's okay. You know, I much rather be in
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: a relationship than not in relationship. Uh, because at this
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: point in my time, you just want to go to
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: the park and have an ice cream cone. You know, uh,
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: it's not about sex anymore. It's about the intimacy and
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: the friendship and the trust. And that's something that we
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: don't have in our, in the gay community, black gay community.
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: We just a sexual human being. And it's beyond that.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: You know, it's more intimacy and nurturing than the sexual piece.
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: And somehow the black man is just a whore. They
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: just like to fuck around. You can have a perfect relationship.
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: And I got some friends now that are in great,
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: what I would think are great relationships. But they're fucking around.
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: On each other. On each other. So what are you
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: really doing? Unless you just really have that. But again,
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: that goes back to saying that there's nothing that we
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: can't talk about that we can get beyond. And I
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: think when we have those open conversations about life and
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: be true to ourself and true to our God, we
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: can get beyond anything else. So there should be no divorces.
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: Why are you upset? It's just sex. And it's overrated.
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: At this point, I'm 65. So at this point, I mean,
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: I'm living my best life. No, you really are. And
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: I can't complain. And I'm okay with that. So, yes,
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: I've always dressed. And it is really interesting. I've never
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: bought a pair of tennis shoes. All the tennis shoes
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: I have ever had, somebody gave them to me. Every
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: last one. Would you ever put them on? No, I
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: wear them. Okay. I wear them, and I didn't understand
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: tennis shoes. I had a girlfriend, Shermaine, that bought me
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: a pair of Gucci's. Didn't think nothing of it. And
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: the first time I went, when I was going to
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: work out, I went walking. I couldn't get back to
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: the house fast enough. I had blisters on my feet.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: So I didn't think about them, went out and cut
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: the grass in them, and they were worse. And I
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: was like, these are the most horrible shoes I ever had.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: And she was like, why would you say that? Because
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: I went walking. They're not walking shoes. Well, they're tennis shoes.
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: What else am I supposed to do with them? You know,
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: there's a tennis shoe to go jogging and a tennis
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: shoe for that. That makes no sense to me. And
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: to spend $ 500 for some rubber, y'all got to be
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: the craziest person in the world. I'd get me a
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: pair of leather shoes that would last me for 20
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: years and some rubber, and they'd fall apart. They'd fall apart.
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: A piece of trash.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: They do have to wear a tear.
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, I got a pair of McQueen's platforms. They
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: fell apart. I would say $ 1, 200 for, you know, y'all
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: young people, y'all just come from a whole other space.
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: I don't understand it, and I'm not trying to understand it,
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: but I can understand a suit. I was doing a
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: tailored suit. Joseph Hinton was making suits for me. Oh,
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: my God. A long time ago. And still still with me.
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: In fact, he's a tailor for Nini's boyfriend.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, Yoni.
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: And that's who was trying to get me to come
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: to the Christmas party last year.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: You should have came.
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: I know, but I was there. I know. I know.
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: Atlanta's my town. I know. It's not much that goes
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: on in Atlanta.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: You know, listen, you are still the king of Atlanta.
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: I'm the governor. I passed the city council, the mayor,
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: I'm the governor.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: No, you know everything.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: Even when you're talking about being 65 years old, because listen,
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: you look amazing.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: You have a share that you went through a health crisis.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: You battled cancer.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm still going through it. I just... You know,
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: after I lost my grandmother and, uh, the ending of 24,
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: that was devastating for me. Uh, I went into a depression.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: I didn't realize I was in depression because I've never
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: been depressed and I didn't know what it was, but
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: I knew it was different. And my grandmother was the
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: one that saved my life. She died at 103. And, um,
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: She's always been there for me. When my mother and
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: family found out that I was weird and I was
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: going possessed, I was a demon and all those things.
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: My grandmother's the one that said, and she came just
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: at the nick of time that I was ready to
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: check out. And somehow she knew I had had enough.
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: And she said, listen, this is my grandson. I love him.
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: If y'all can't love him, let him go and I'll
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: take care of him. That was a changing point in
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: my life when things changed. turned around. And after that, December, no,
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: that was December. My father died. Well, I had a
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: stroke in January. And so I was his primary caregiver
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: until the day he died, taking care of him. And
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: then two or three weeks after that, next month would
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: be my niece died that has four kids. That was just, wow.
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: So It was a lot. So when I discovered that
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: I had prostate cancer, I just wasn't in a space
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: that I can do surgery. And then a dear friend
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: of mine had gone to surgery three years prior to that,
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: was just devastated. And I knew I didn't want to
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: go through that. So I just made up my mind
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: that I wasn't going to do anything but do active surveillance.
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: And I got a team of three doctors, personal friends,
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: and regular professionals. And they just guided me through it
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: to get me to the point where I can do
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: something about it. I've changed my diet. When it came out,
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: it came out that I was stage four. I had
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: 24 hours to live.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: When were you diagnosed with prostate cancer?
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: It's been two years. Two years. Uh, the year, well,
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: my grandmother died in 24, December 24. So 25 was
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: the beginning to a 25. And, um, I had been
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: going to the doctor faithfully every, every year, getting my checkup,
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: doing what I was supposed to do. And, um, I've
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: outlived three doctors that have died. And all of my
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: doctors were always older white guys. And so, um, I,
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: they never said anything about my prostate. And then after
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: the last doctor died in 2024 is when we discovered
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: 25 and they couldn't find my records. So it was like,
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: I went to the new doctor that my doctor's office
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: had referred me to. And he's asking me all these
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: questions and I'm getting, you know, annoyed because if you
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: read my charts, you would know what I'm doing and
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: what's going on with me. And found he said, well,
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: I don't have your charts. What do you mean you
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: don't have my charts? After 30 days, your charts are
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: destroyed if you don't request them. I thought they just
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: automatically transferred them to this other doctor office because that's
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: who contacted me. And that wasn't the case. So we
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: went back and we figured out who was doing lab
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: work and he could go back to 2023. And when
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: the first sign was high. But nobody ever said anything
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: to me.
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: Your prostate levels were high. Yeah. Yeah.
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: So at that point, I was, again, I just lost
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: my grandmother. Now you tell me I got prostate cancer.
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: It was a lot. So it was a lot to
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: unpack and I just wasn't ready to do anything. And
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: I figured we all going to die from something. But
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: the quality of life for me is more important than
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: the quantity. Well, you know, I've lived an amazing life.
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: I've traveled all over the world a couple of times.
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: I've gone to places that I couldn't believe that was there.
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: came back and went back again the next week because
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: it was just, this cannot be real. So I'm okay.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: You're not doing no surgery? Not yet. Not yet. Do
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: you know what stage you are today? Yeah. And the
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: way that my doctor explained it to me is that
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: we did a DNA study on my DNA because my
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: grandfather died from prostate cancer. And, um, we did several
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: tests and they've discovered that it's not as aggressive as
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: they thought it was when it first came out. So
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: being that the first, the records that we can find
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  Speaker 3: is from 2023. So it's not going up or it's
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  Speaker 3: not going down. So I've changed my diet and, um,
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  Speaker 3: more herbs going more holistic and more centered, uh, with
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  Speaker 3: wellness and mentally over matter for me. And that's where
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  Speaker 3: I am. So they're saying, as long as I watch
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  Speaker 3: it every three to six months to see what happens,
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  Speaker 3: I'm okay with that. I'm okay with that. And then
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  Speaker 3: when it's time to do something and when I'm in
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  Speaker 3: a better space of mind to do something, I don't
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  Speaker 3: like being sick. I don't like being to doctors. I
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  Speaker 3: don't like being down. And Right now, I can't put
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  Speaker 3: that on my family. I just cannot. I cannot put
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  Speaker 3: another burden on them, them worrying about me, being that
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  Speaker 3: now that I have four babies that we have to
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  Speaker 3: be concerned with. I have to be strong for my
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  Speaker 3: sister because she's going through a lot. The youngest is
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  Speaker 3: six years old, and she has cancer. So to see
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  Speaker 3: her go through her treatments as a baby The six-year-old
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  Speaker 3: has cancer? Oh, my Lord. My great niece. So to
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  Speaker 3: see her go through when she's in the hospital, and
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  Speaker 3: that's a rare form. She's had it since she was four,
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  Speaker 3: since she was two. She's six now. So I just can't.
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  Speaker 3: But when I look at her in the hospital for
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  Speaker 3: seven days or five days, and then she goes home,
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  Speaker 3: she's just been a kid. All she wants is to
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  Speaker 3: go to gymnastic class. Can I go to school today?
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  Speaker 3: Can I go with my friends? You know. And so.
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  Speaker 3: I don't have no problems. At five years old. To
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  Speaker 3: see her that sick. And she's flat ironed several times.
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  Speaker 3: To see her that sick. And her just bounce back
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  Speaker 3: like that. Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me?
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  Speaker 3: This is nothing. Really? Cancer? What does that mean? So.
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  Speaker 3: That's where I am. And you're good with your decision? Oh,
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  Speaker 3: I'm good with my decision. God got this. That's something
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  Speaker 3: that man is saying that I have. And when it's
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  Speaker 3: time to do something, I will. But right now, I
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  Speaker 3: have too much to do. I have too much to do.
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  Speaker 2: What's wrong with the purple? What happened with the purple door?
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: What do you mean what happened with the purple door?
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  Speaker 3: Is it still up and running? Oh, absolutely. Yeah, that's good.
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  Speaker 3: It's been 30-something years. We've been at this location for
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: 22 years. I'm getting ready to go into education because
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  Speaker 3: I think it's time. I've been fighting. We just have
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  Speaker 3: to be obedient and learn to listen to All plans
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  Speaker 3: are not necessarily all plans. God has a higher plan,
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  Speaker 3: a higher power of what we're supposed to be doing.
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  Speaker 3: And sometimes you just have to let God take control
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  Speaker 3: of your life. And that's what I've, the realizations that
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  Speaker 3: I've come to that I just have to wait on
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  Speaker 3: his decision. I've been fighting teaching because these young kids
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  Speaker 3: are a different group of people, but at the end
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  Speaker 3: of the day, they just want some love and some direction.
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  Speaker 2: Direction for sure.
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  Speaker 3: They do not want they're to be friends with their parents.
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  Speaker 3: They want their parents to be parents and parents today
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  Speaker 3: feel like they need to be friends. They are smoking
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: pot together and drinking together. That's, that's not parenting. So
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  Speaker 3: I think now is the time for me to get
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  Speaker 3: back into education and to share the knowledge that has
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  Speaker 3: been given to me and spread the knowledge. And that's
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  Speaker 3: where I am now. So doing more production work now, um,
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  Speaker 3: you know, event stuff, um, We're doing a City Vibe
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  Speaker 3: tour next year, a six-city tour. It's fashion, entertainment, art, culture,
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  Speaker 3: all the things that I like. It's a lifestyle. And
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: I think it has to be something of substance, still
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: doing the health fair, knowing your health, teamed up with
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: Morehouse School of Medicine, South DeKalb Family Physicians, and some
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: other professionals, to when you know your health, you know
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  Speaker 3: what to do. And we don't go to the doctors.
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  Speaker 3: And so that was my calling for this is to
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  Speaker 3: just encourage black men to go get tested, you know.
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  Speaker 3: And when you think about prostate, think guys just freeze
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: up and say, oh, nobody's going to touch my butthole.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: But it's not about that. When you know what you're
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: dealing with, there are things on the market now. There's
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: a seed implant that you can get done. And anything
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: that you do, you have good doctors and you have
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: bad doctors. But we have to ask the questions. And
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  Speaker 3: I've learned from experience that when I first went in,
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  Speaker 3: I only heard what I wanted to hear. You know,
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  Speaker 3: and I had to realize I can't do this by myself.
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  Speaker 3: I had to take somebody with me that is listening
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  Speaker 3: for the things that I didn't listen to. And when
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: I tell you, after I did the biopsy and Carlos,
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  Speaker 3: it was the worst thing that I've ever experienced. I
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: thought I was having a baby out of my penis.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, after you have the biopsy, you have
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: to sit there for a certain amount of time before
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  Speaker 3: you can leave. So I got to the car and
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  Speaker 3: I thought I was prepared, but I wasn't. I got
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  Speaker 3: to the car and I had this urge to go
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  Speaker 3: to the bathroom. And the nurse is trying to get
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  Speaker 3: me in the car. And I said, I'm not going
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  Speaker 3: to make it. I'm not going to make it. I
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  Speaker 3: got to go. It was like this pressure is just
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  Speaker 3: coming out. And I was pulling my penis out to
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: released myself in the parking lot. So she had ran
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: back in the hospital and got me a urinal. I
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: could barely get it. And it's like a clog of
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: blood like this came out of the head of my penis.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: I had never seen that much blood and I freaked out.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: I literally freaked out and I was angry because surely
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  Speaker 3: This has happened before. How you send me, and I'm
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: living in Conyers, how are you going to send me
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  Speaker 3: to drive on a 30-minute drive with nothing? I would
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: have never made it. The car would have been a mess.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: And this is clogs is coming out, coming out, coming
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  Speaker 3: out for like three or four days. And I'm like,
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: I need a tampon. But again... I had to assist her,
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  Speaker 3: but I didn't know the difference between a tampon or
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: the pad things. I didn't need a tampon. I needed
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: the pad to absorb the blood. But those are conversations
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  Speaker 3: that the doctor should have had with me to prepare
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  Speaker 3: for it. And I just knew that I don't want
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  Speaker 3: to go through that. I just don't want to go
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: through that. And finally, it eased up. It got better.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: But mentally... having to go through that, having to wear
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: a pad, it just really messes with the black man mentality.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: And until we start having conversations about it, and you
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: share your experience, everybody's experience is different. So when we
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: start having those conversations, we can get to a better understanding.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: And it doesn't have to be that way. And just
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: kind of imagine having.
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  Speaker 10: To wear a pin at 65 or a pad at
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 10: 65 Your self-esteem goes from 100 to 0 and just
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 10: not being comfortable.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm good. Continue to spread the message, to share
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: the love, and educate. And we want to continue to
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: pray for you, too. Well, prayer is good. God is good.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: You have a lot of supporters, Dwight. I do. I do.
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  Speaker 3: And I realize that after... you know, it started and
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: then I started feeling a certain kind of way because
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: now it's like when I go out, that's the top
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  Speaker 3: of the conversation. And if I'm out to have a
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: good time, I don't want to talk about my health.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: And I understand it's only been concern. And I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 3: But for the world to know I'm good, I'm going
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: to be good. And God has promised me that I
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: have another life. 50 years. Amen. So I'll live to
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: be 110. No, you will be.
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  Speaker 1: And listen, you need to sprinkle more fabulousness around the world.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: And the reason why I wanted to make sure I
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: saw you and brought you on the couch is because
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: I wanted to give you your flowers in terms of
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: you being one of the architects of what made Atlanta
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: Housewives the way.
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  Speaker 3: It is today.
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  Speaker 1: And the reason why we get to celebrate it 17
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  Speaker 1: years later because of what you brought to the show, too.
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  Speaker 1: Because of you, other people were able to also be
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: presented as friends to the show as well because you
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: were the first. The first friend to the show. A
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: little six-episode order of first season. And 17 years later,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: people still care about you. And that, to me, just
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: really shows the impact that you have had on our lives.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: And I love you so much. And I'm so happy
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: you're doing well. And I want to let you know
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: face to face on this couch. I appreciate everything you
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: brought to the show, too.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you. And you need to know that. Thank you
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  Speaker 3: so much. I appreciate that. I love you. I love you.
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  Speaker 3: It's been a blessing. And just being real. Yes. That's
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: who we are.
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  Speaker 2: And you still a fabulous bitch.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah! Give it up for Dwight, y'all. I'll take that
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  Speaker 3: from you.
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  Speaker 1: Reality with the King is executive produced by me, Carlos King,
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