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Aleister Crowley’s Massive Influence on Society · UK Column Radio

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  Speaker 1: Well, my background. I have a conventional kind of education
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  Speaker 1: here in the States. I got a BA, and then
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  Speaker 1: I got a j D. I'm a member of the
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  Speaker 1: State Bar of California, past the bar in nineteen ninety eight.
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  Speaker 1: And I really got into Alistair Crowley through my research
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  Speaker 1: into nine to eleven, the events of nine to eleven
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  Speaker 1: that happened here in the States. I kept seeing this
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  Speaker 1: numerology and these numbers that were way beyond any kind
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  Speaker 1: of statistical you know, randomness, and so did these numbers
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  Speaker 1: have meaning? And led me down the road to Crowley?
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  Speaker 1: And then I kind of just applied my academic maybe
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  Speaker 1: training to a study of Cruelly independently of what other
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  Speaker 1: people said about him, or maybe some people are sympathetic
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  Speaker 1: about him. So I really read as many biographies as
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  Speaker 1: I were available on Croley. His own biography is autobiography
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  Speaker 1: which he called Confessions, which is way too long, but
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  Speaker 1: it actually has a lot of great information. And then
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  Speaker 1: also his core documents, So what did he write about?
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  Speaker 1: He was really I call him a literate tour because
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  Speaker 1: he wrote on so many different subjects. He was a
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  Speaker 1: book writer, fiction, non fiction, poetry. Articles. He wrote for
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  Speaker 1: Vanity Fair in the Ear in the United States as
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  Speaker 1: well as other publications. So I read all through that,
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  Speaker 1: and so I would say I'm pretty close to an
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  Speaker 1: expert in Crawley. I'm certainly probably. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: there's anybody else. Mean, he's a crully critic as much
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  Speaker 1: as I am. Like I'm not on the I'm not
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  Speaker 1: a practicer of magic. I've never been in it, I've
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  Speaker 1: never been initiated. I'm not in a cold order, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not a Mason. So I would say I'm very much
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  Speaker 1: of a cruelly critic. I think it's fair to say so.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of people have heard the name Alista Crowley
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  Speaker 2: or Crowley.
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  Speaker 1: Is it?
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  Speaker 2: Is it Crowley or Crowley? I want to make sure
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  Speaker 2: I pronounce it correctly well.
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  Speaker 1: When I first started researching Curley, my first book was
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  Speaker 1: published in twenty ten by the Way Prophet of Evil.
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  Speaker 1: But I used to say Crowley, and then he there's
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  Speaker 1: a poem called the Winged Beetle that he wrote where
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  Speaker 1: he rhymes cruelly with Holly. So I think it's really Crawley. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to say the way he would pronounce it, all.
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  Speaker 2: Right, So I'll say Crowley from now on Alistair Crowley. So,
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  Speaker 2: as I was saying, a lot of people know the name,
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  Speaker 2: they've heard it, but they don't know who he was.
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  Speaker 2: So let's just create some context. Who was he?
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  Speaker 1: An interesting guy? A lot of references the public references
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  Speaker 1: in alistair Ozzy Osbourne song, mister Crowley, so like these
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  Speaker 1: are the names bandied, right, It's usually talked in the
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  Speaker 1: context of being a dabbler, But what he was was
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  Speaker 1: a person was born in eighteen seventy five, really at
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  Speaker 1: the peak of the British Empire, and he was in
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  Speaker 1: the upper's largest class. He was an aristocrat, came from
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  Speaker 1: a very wealthy family and I ended up dying in
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  Speaker 1: nineteen forty seven in a kind of old folkshome and
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  Speaker 1: Hastings very south of the UK or England. But he
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  Speaker 1: had all the privileges of an only son who was
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  Speaker 1: from a wealthy family. He was brought up in what
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  Speaker 1: was called the Plymouth Brethren, which was a church by Darby.
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  Speaker 1: It was kind of a dispensationalist, but he was in
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  Speaker 1: a subset of that group and it was called the
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  Speaker 1: Exclusive Brethren, so they were supposed to be supposedly more
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  Speaker 1: ardent Christians. So he was brought up in that environment.
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  Speaker 1: His parents ran kind of they supplied beer and kind
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  Speaker 1: of goods to the pub system in Britain. And when
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  Speaker 1: his mom died, he inherited a some today which would
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  Speaker 1: be like twenty million pounds, like incredible sum of money,
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  Speaker 1: which he wasted eventually. But he was brought up in
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  Speaker 1: this very rigid kind of church where they always read
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  Speaker 1: the Bible, and he went to religious schools and at
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  Speaker 1: a certain point he rebelled. He went off into he
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  Speaker 1: was able to pass the test to get into Cambridge,
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  Speaker 1: and when he went to Cambridge, he basically rebelled, and
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  Speaker 1: he said he wanted to become the Devil's chief of staff,
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  Speaker 1: and he wanted to become one of these lights of
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  Speaker 1: the future. So I think like when he was in Cambridge,
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  Speaker 1: one of his three main interests were poetry, mounted climbing,
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  Speaker 1: and the occult. And he was white I said, he
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  Speaker 1: was white hot on those subjects. So he'd be reading
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  Speaker 1: late into the night on these different subjects and also
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  Speaker 1: traveling around. He was very well traveled and for his
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  Speaker 1: rock climbing expeditions he would go to Switzerland south of
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  Speaker 1: England to this place with different climbing stuff this is
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  Speaker 1: how he kind of got his health back to shape
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  Speaker 1: after almost dying. In some of these private schools, they
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  Speaker 1: are very brutal, almost like you know, another brick in
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  Speaker 1: the wall like Pink Floyd brutality with bullying and brutality.
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  Speaker 1: And he also traveled to kind of present day Pakistan
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  Speaker 1: and India to climb to two mountaineering ex expeditions which
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  Speaker 1: are very well historically referenced, like you can find out
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  Speaker 1: about them. One was called Cansing Junga and the other
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  Speaker 1: one's Chogo Re. So these are huge mountains that never
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  Speaker 1: were ascended. He didn't ascend them either, but one ad
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  Speaker 1: ended disastrously and ended really Crowley's rock climbing reputation and
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  Speaker 1: career after that disaster happened. But he really became because
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  Speaker 1: he never really had to work. He really was able
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  Speaker 1: to dedicate himself to the occult, and I think he
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  Speaker 1: really wanted to become a glory of the future ages.
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  Speaker 1: So he really spent his time writing documents. He had
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  Speaker 1: his own encyclopedia about the occult he called the Equinox.
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  Speaker 1: He was writing books on magic, so he was absorbing stuff.
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  Speaker 1: He went through the Masonic system, He went through this
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  Speaker 1: other group called the Golden Dawn, which was a ceremonial
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  Speaker 1: midget magical order. Along with William Butler, Yeats was famous poet,
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  Speaker 1: Irish poet who also knew Croley. Actually, Croley was very
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  Speaker 1: well connected with a lot of cultural figures at that time,
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  Speaker 1: the late nineteenth century of the twentieth, early twentieth century,
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  Speaker 1: like Somerset, mom Earnest Hemingway, Alvis Huxley, believe or not, Rodan,
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  Speaker 1: who's a famous French sculptor who did the Thinker if
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  Speaker 1: you remember that, Crowley who just wrote actually wrote a
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  Speaker 1: book about Rodan called Rodan in Rhyme in France. But anyway,
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  Speaker 1: Crowley was really a multi faceted figure. But he was
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  Speaker 1: not a dabbler. He really looked into all kinds of traditions.
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  Speaker 1: One of the things that was happening in the late
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  Speaker 1: nineteenth century was the movement of Eastern esotericism into the West,
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  Speaker 1: and so he was part of that tradition, moving yoga
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  Speaker 1: and the i ching and some of these other kind
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  Speaker 1: of Eastern traditions west and he integrated it into his
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  Speaker 1: religion that he called Thelma, which is Greek for will.
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  Speaker 1: So I think that that was kind of the primacy
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  Speaker 1: of his human will was really it. And one of
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  Speaker 1: his primary events happened in Egypt in Africa in nineteen
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  Speaker 1: oh four, where he was with his wife Kelly at
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  Speaker 1: the time, who said they're looking for you, and he
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  Speaker 1: was responding, so he did some magical stuff. He's always
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  Speaker 1: kind of traveling and using ceremonial magic. After he learned
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  Speaker 1: it through the Golden Dawn and apparently he received this book.
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  Speaker 1: He called it the Book of the Law. He received
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  Speaker 1: it over three days and it became the centerpiece of
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  Speaker 1: his religion. It's still kind of around today, believe it
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  Speaker 1: or not. He had the Stella of Revealing, which was
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  Speaker 1: also Stella six sixty six that came out of what
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  Speaker 1: was used to be called the Bulock Museum, which is
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  Speaker 1: now called the Egyptian Museum. But it's still around, believe
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  Speaker 1: it or not. There's like associates of some of these
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  Speaker 1: guys in the UFO community who notes these Croleites who
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  Speaker 1: are doing Croley's Gnostic Mass with this Della of Revealing
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  Speaker 1: the same set of Croleads. So he purstilled his religion
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  Speaker 1: to definitely permeated Western, if not kind of global occultism
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  Speaker 1: and I think he succeeded in that. He said, told
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  Speaker 1: this guy, Clifford Backs, we're really at the turn of
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  Speaker 1: the century. He said, today Christianity is paramount. In one day,
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  Speaker 1: Crowleianity will take I can't remember the exact verbatim statement,
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  Speaker 1: but basically his goal was to supplant Christianity with his religion,
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  Speaker 1: and to a certain extent, a lot of his philosophies
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  Speaker 1: and ideas have permeated and overcome kind of Christian ethos
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  Speaker 1: of the turn of the century nineteenth century.
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  Speaker 2: Excuse me, when we talk about occult and occultic traditions
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  Speaker 2: and practices, what actually are we talking about?
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  Speaker 1: It's a good word, I mean, it's a good, good question.
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  Speaker 1: Like what is this term, what is esoteric? A cult? Secret?
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  Speaker 1: I mean a cult means you're just putting something behind something,
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  Speaker 1: something secretive, we're hidden. And I think that that's kind
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  Speaker 1: of kind of the darker element of some of these
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  Speaker 1: Luciferian Satanic things. That Crowley was definitely a Satanist. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he wouldn't come out and say that he actually inverted
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  Speaker 1: everything where his Lord was the devil, So he went
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  Speaker 1: in to say he wouldn't use these terms of Christian.
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  Speaker 1: He said the Christian Church was the Black Brotherhood. So
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  Speaker 1: Christian would read that and they'd think, oh, the Black Brotherhood,
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  Speaker 1: that must be a bunch of like Druid Satan worshiping
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  Speaker 1: cloak wars. No, that for him was the Christian Church
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  Speaker 1: and all these other priests, so he would insert all
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  Speaker 1: that stuff. But I think occultism is really this kind
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  Speaker 1: of secret doctrines and secret ideas that have permeated Western traditions,
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  Speaker 1: even going back to the Middle East, coming up through
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  Speaker 1: the Templars and Baphomet all the way to the present.
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  Speaker 1: And that are these secret things that are not for
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  Speaker 1: the public and are kept from the public's knowledge through
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  Speaker 1: cult systems and initiation and secret signs and hand signs
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  Speaker 1: and all this stuff. So I think that that's what
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  Speaker 1: really Crully was involved in, was the perpetuation of these
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  Speaker 1: secret doctrines and secret ideas that are not adyed about
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  Speaker 1: in the public. I mean, they're hints of them, you
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  Speaker 1: see pictures and symbols, But some of these doctrines that
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  Speaker 1: Crowley was definitely keeping secret were not public, like his
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  Speaker 1: recommendation of child sacrifice, human sacrifice. These are not publicly
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  Speaker 1: known and not admitted to by other croleiites as well,
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  Speaker 1: which you can't blame them. They're supposed to be secret
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  Speaker 1: and sacred. Curley would keep them, call them sacred. That's
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  Speaker 1: what is how inverted his worldview was. But yeah, to
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  Speaker 1: the short answer to the calls really just secret knowledge
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  Speaker 1: or secret ideas, I think that's a fair description.
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  Speaker 2: What shaped his worldview though, I mean mountain climbing, rock climbing.
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  Speaker 2: I mean that sounds quite healthy for example.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think it is. He got into rock
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  Speaker 1: climbing because of this. He almost literally almost died at
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  Speaker 1: one of his boarding schools. But I think shaping his
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  Speaker 1: worldview was this something happened to him where he became
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  Speaker 1: very antagonistic towards a Christian church. And I think his
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  Speaker 1: wealth and the only child and his father died when
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  Speaker 1: he was fourteen, so he didn't have that much parental
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  Speaker 1: kind of overview of his life. I think that all
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  Speaker 1: just shaped his kind of worldview into this very entitled, wealthy, classist,
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  Speaker 1: racist person who was also interested in the cult and
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  Speaker 1: interested himself total egotism. And I think that's all reflected
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  Speaker 1: in his religion and his writings as well. He was
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  Speaker 1: also probably a asset of British intelligence even before it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of been systematized into the bureaucracy. Is what had
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  Speaker 1: known as five six. He was called the Secret Intelligence
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  Speaker 1: Service back then. He's probably an asset from the time
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  Speaker 1: he left Cambridge. He was in weird places at weird
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  Speaker 1: times his whole life.
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  Speaker 2: But why did he have such a hatred towards Christianity?
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's a good question. I think that some
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  Speaker 1: people really revolt against their upbringing, and he thought maybe
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  Speaker 1: he was being kept back by the rigid views of
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  Speaker 1: his mom, who he didn't care for. He liked his dad,
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  Speaker 1: who died of tongue cancer when he was fourteen. Like
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  Speaker 1: I said, but I think he just became a rebel
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  Speaker 1: and he saw the Christianity. I mean, I think he
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  Speaker 1: was an authentic anti Christian. Some people thought it was
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  Speaker 1: an actor or something, but he kept this kind of
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  Speaker 1: anti Christian animus all the way till his death in
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  Speaker 1: nineteen forty seven, pro pro magic worldview all the way
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  Speaker 1: till his death at seventy two. And what did the
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  Speaker 1: evidence for it is people who visited him and he's
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  Speaker 1: screaming at carollers and telling Christians go away, and also
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  Speaker 1: in being involved still in perpetuating magical ideas. His last
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  Speaker 1: book was called Magic Without Tears, which is a series
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  Speaker 1: of missives he's writing in his old age when he's
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  Speaker 1: an addict. He's a heroin addict, but he's still perpetuating
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  Speaker 1: his kind of worldview and his magic. But yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: think that he was really just at a certain point
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  Speaker 1: he rebelled against the Christian ethos and never really went back.
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  Speaker 2: Cinema.
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  Speaker 1: What is that? Philima is a Greek word meaning will,
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  Speaker 1: but that was the term that Crowley used to define
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  Speaker 1: his religion, so he called it the Thilema. And then
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  Speaker 1: people who follow Crowley are often known as Felamites amongst
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  Speaker 1: their own terms, so it's their own terminology, and these
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  Speaker 1: all have kind of cabal meanings. Term geometria words the
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  Speaker 1: lima works out to ninety three and Kroley, so this
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  Speaker 1: ninety three number is very important. And also the spelling
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  Speaker 1: of the word magic. It used to be kind of
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  Speaker 1: the magic term was used in Old English. That's spelled
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  Speaker 1: with magic of the K, but it's differentiated from kind
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  Speaker 1: of stage magic. And the K is also very important
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  Speaker 1: to Crowley two because it corresponds with his most famous number,
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  Speaker 1: which is eleven, So K is the eleventh letter in
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  Speaker 1: the alphabet alphabet and all these correspondences they are supposed to
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  Speaker 1: line up to kind of convey magical powers. So the
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  Speaker 1: use of the K in magic is very important. And
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  Speaker 1: the letter K really and the number eleven, which is
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  Speaker 1: included in the Book of the Law, like I told
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  Speaker 1: you so that there's a quote in there that says
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  Speaker 1: those of us who are of us are of the
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  Speaker 1: number eleven. And it actually goes back into some of
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  Speaker 1: the people who put together the Golden Dawn, who wrote
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  Speaker 1: books like numbers in their mystic puritues and value, and
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  Speaker 1: eleven was always seen as kind of a number of
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  Speaker 1: death and destruction.
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  Speaker 2: Do as thy wilt is that correct?
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  Speaker 1: Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the
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  Speaker 1: law an eleven word, eleven syllable phrase.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, what does that even mean?
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  Speaker 1: I think it's the primacy of the man as God.
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  Speaker 1: So you can do what you will. So you see
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  Speaker 1: these kind of philosophies, these overlying concepts. You know, Felima will,
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  Speaker 1: but do with thou wilt is really kind of like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, there are no rules, you set your own rules,
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, I think he kind of systematize. He like
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  Speaker 1: put all this together in one of his small kind
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  Speaker 1: of relievers, which is Libra seventy seven, or the rights
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  Speaker 1: of man, which is you can do whatever you want,
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  Speaker 1: and there's no God but man. So basically man is
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  Speaker 1: in the place of God. And Craley's system and so
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  Speaker 1: do with thou wilt should be the whole of the law.
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  Speaker 1: That's kind of like it ties into the book of
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  Speaker 1: the law, and that's that was his These are these
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  Speaker 1: like dictums, these axioms that Cruly had. Another one is
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  Speaker 1: love under law, love underwill. Right, so you see the
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  Speaker 1: law and the will which ties to thalma and love
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  Speaker 1: and Cruley is a gape that's also a Greek word,
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  Speaker 1: which also numerologically in the Jamatria ads up to ninety three,
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  Speaker 1: So you see ninety three as kind of a central number,
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  Speaker 1: including eleven too, Curley and a lot of times cruelly.
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  Speaker 1: Instead of writing love underlaw, love underwill in his correspondence,
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  Speaker 1: as his writings, he would just write ninety three, ninety three,
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  Speaker 1: ninety three to kind of shorthand those ideas, those concepts.
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  Speaker 2: You were talking about Sadema being a religion, So is
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  Speaker 2: what is meant by that? Because he sounded like he
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  Speaker 2: was an atheist.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I don't think he was an atheist at all.
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  Speaker 1: He believed in the Temple. He actually believed in God.
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  Speaker 1: He actually admits it later in life, like I have
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  Speaker 1: no doubt that the Bible exists and it's valid, but
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  Speaker 1: I just choose not to accept it. So it's kind
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  Speaker 1: of an interesting statement. So instead of being agnostic or atheistic,
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  Speaker 1: he's like, oh, yeah, but you know, this is who
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  Speaker 1: I believe in, This being called Aos, which he later
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  Speaker 1: says in magic, in theory and practice is basically Lucifer.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Okay, so therefore that is the basis of the
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  Speaker 2: religion I think.
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  Speaker 1: So it's it's kind of like a culturally more astute
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  Speaker 1: version of Satanism from that time and from the style
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  Speaker 1: of what Crowley had, from all of his knowledge that
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  Speaker 1: he accrued from you know, the Golden Dawn, from masonry,
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  Speaker 1: and this kind of complex kind of shield. He could
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  Speaker 1: shield a lot of his meanings through coded language, this
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  Speaker 1: way to put it. But basically, if you look through
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  Speaker 1: Crowley's thing, he did he did have different books, he
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  Speaker 1: did have different practices that people had to do. He
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  Speaker 1: started his own kind of male order mad fraternity, which
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  Speaker 1: was called the Astro Margentum. So it's just another part
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  Speaker 1: of his religion where you would only have one person
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  Speaker 1: ahead of you who would guide you through your magical stuff.
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  Speaker 1: And he was very much kind of like a rigid
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  Speaker 1: school master actually for his followers, like you had to
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  Speaker 1: do this, You had to do your son salutations libra
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  Speaker 1: resh every day, you know, three times a day. You
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  Speaker 1: had to do all this stuff, purification and all these
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  Speaker 1: other rituals. And then some sort of stuff got really dark,
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  Speaker 1: like branding and goat sacrifices and trials and ordeals. And
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  Speaker 1: he had his own magical fraternity called the Temple of Thelma,
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  Speaker 1: which is in Sicily, and he started that in the twenties.
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  Speaker 1: He was actually kicked out of Italy by Mussolini himself.
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  Speaker 2: Gee, because I was about to ask, was he himself
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  Speaker 2: a bad person? I mean, he was just a rested
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  Speaker 2: for anything, or or was he.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good question. He was. He was kicked out
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  Speaker 1: of France and Italy, so I would say if that
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  Speaker 1: means arrest, that's a good question. Whether he was arrested
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: on kind of smaller type of charges I don't recall offhand,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: but in his interpersonal kind of I think relations. He
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: was horrible. He was a horrible parent. He had five kids.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: He never spent any time with him. He would discard
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: his wives or his scarlet what he called his scarlet women.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: And all the scarlet women were the beneficiaries of a
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: brand on their chest like a cow of what he
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: called the Mark of the Beast, which was a series
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: and yeah, you can see this on you can pull
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: it up, Curley's Mark of the Beast. They all had
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: this brand on their chests and the Mark of the Beast,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: and it's a conjunction of the moon and the sun
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: and stars. And so that was like eleven or twelve women.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: He did that too, literally for the office of Curly.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: And he was bisexual or trisexual whatever. He raped in
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: according it gets dark because like his magical Record of
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: the Beast talks about infant rape and stuff like that.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: That's about So, yeah, he's a terrible, terrible, terrible human being.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: He actually encouraged one of his followers to take out
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: a life insurance policy, make Croley the beneficiary, and then
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: kill himself so that Croly could get it.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: See, Okay, so he wasn't a guy.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he said it right, to his face. There's a fame,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that I put in my first book.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: I was trying to get a handle on who Crully
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: really was, so I did a lot of research into
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: other people's books who had seen and talked with Crowley,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: whether it's Somerset, Mom, Hemingway, Clifford Backs. There's a guy
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: named Lance Sieveking who was kind of a you know,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: he was like a tech guy of his own generation
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: who spent time with Crowley in the South of France.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: And he's like, this guy is looking crazy. He shot
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: his shaved head, his tongue is black, and he told
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: me everybody who crossed paths of him either ended up
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: dead or in a lunatic asylum. He's proud of about it,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: like he's like hanging out with and he Crawley had
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: like he would have this elixir of life that he
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: covered his body. I mean, you got a question how
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: seen he was, like he would he would cover his
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: body with almost like suntan lotion. But he was a
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: special kind of elixir that he came up with. And yeah, but.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: It's strange because Hemingway and some of those other names
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: that he associated with. If you think about them you
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: think about great work.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: If you think my mom is still really you know,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Razor's Edge and all that stuff. Book about Crawley too,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: called the Magician.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: But yet if you say the word Alistair Crowley, nobody
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: really knows other than the fact that he was a
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: bad guy because not he didn't write anything that was
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: spectacular or have any positive historical significance.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Well, that's an open question, but not overt. But his concepts,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: the concepts of sex, magic and things like that.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Really is it positive? I said you didn't have a
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: positive impact.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think anything he did added positive. I
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: can't think of anything but he had. I think he
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: had a reverberating cultural impact. I don't think there's any
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: question about that.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, all right, So explain this
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: magic concept to me.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Well, I think it just goes back into the old
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: you know, prehistory legends and stuff like that, all the
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: way to the present. And there's other iterations. It's different
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: time and Curly had his own version of it and
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: involved ceremonial magic and practices and studies and training and
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: cakes of light which were like things you eat, and ceremonies,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: and he wrote all these things so I think that
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: was his kind of view of his his idea of
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: the practice of magic. And you can go read what
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: his ideas of magic were in his book Magic and
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Theory and Practice right, and the whole idea, the whole
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: concept is to, according to Curley, distilled down into a
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: simple another simple phrase or axiom axiom, which is magic
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: is the facilitation to change external reality according to your will. Right,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: so it goes will Filimo. You're back at that thing again.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: But I don't remember the exact axiom, but it's basically
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: creating change whatever you want. So you use magic to
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: create this change, whether you want something, uh money, women, power, whatever.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: So he was what he wanted absolutely, I think soon.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: I think he really wanted to be a first rate,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: well regarded literary figure, and he always just stated at
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: the second tier. But I think he would have covered.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: He coveted that kind of fame that some of these
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: other people achieved in their lifetimes like him away, I think,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, his output is off the charts, like he
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: was writing detective fiction and different books, Moonchild and these
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: other fictional books, uh, pill plays and things like that.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: He just never got that kind of renowned that maybe
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: somebody else who covered it. He was infamous, like he
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: was a known you know. They called him the the
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: man we'd like to hang or the world's Greatest Center,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: or things like that. I think he was known as
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: that kind of person, but not as you know, the
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: great literary figure that he wanted to be.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: You said, he had five kids, just very quickly his
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: offspring what would they be, grandkids, great grandkids Today they
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: comment on him, What do they think about him?
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: I think they all just didn't even want to have
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: an association. One died. So one died and they blamed
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: it on like a bad feeding or something like that.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: So then her, the mother who was Kelly, went insane too.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: She ended up in a kind of a mental institution.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: But the other four kids, one he said, oh, she'll
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: make an I swore, So I don't know what happened
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: to that. There were two kids from from the abby
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: of Filima. One actually made it to Berkeley, believe it
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: or not, on the West coast in California, and she
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: passed away I think in twenty ten, So she lived
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: a long life. Probably never wanted to talk about Curley,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: who thought that kids should be exposed to what parents
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: are up to outside of the bedroom and inside of
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: the bedroom. So those are his crazy ideas. Another one
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: he had there was a woman who said I want
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: you to be the father of my child, and he
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: said okay. Later in life, like in his sixties, and
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: his name was adit Turk Curley after kind of the
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Turkish leader, and there's records of him. He became kind
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: of a strange figure like Crawley, sleeping on benches and
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: dressing up in weird things, but never really amounted to anything.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Only his only kind of claim to fame was being
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: the offspring of the Great Beast. And then there's the
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: argument whether Barbara Bush is really Curly offspring. So that's
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: like a whole other full show. But it's I think
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: it's an open like people ask me, like my educated opinion,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: it's like, oh, and she looks just like Craly, she
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: acts like Crowley and then the Suns, and they're not
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: from a cult family, so it would make perfect sense
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: that she would be married into the Push family.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: He is still widely considered as a very big influence
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: on twentieth century sort of entertainment culture. And the first
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: thing that comes to my mind if I think of
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: Alister Crowley as Sergeant Papers.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty incredible, Zepplin. I mean, Jimmy Page was
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: really a is a fellow mine, and he went to
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Egypt in two thousand and four to celebrate the one
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: hundred year anniversary of the receipt of the Book of
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: the Law. So that's how serious he is and bought
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: a lot of Curley stuff. But his impact And also
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Timothy Leary, who is a well known kind of like
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: countercultural figure, said I'm carrying on Curley's tradition, like he
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: literally has said that. And actually in my book Children
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Are the Beast, you can see where he says the
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: synchronous synchronicities between Crowley's life and my life are extraordinary,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: like he had been in the same kind of oasis
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: that Crowley was in in Algeria. So do you think
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: of sorry going well, I'm just saying Learry's just one
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: of many. Like Kenneth Anger, who's associated with the Manson family,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: was a cool literally yeah, he was like friends with
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: the Page. So you see these overlapping individuals who are
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: also croliids in a lot of this, Like he wrote
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Lucifer Rising, right, and in Lucifer Rising, is a guy
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: who literally sat on Crowley's knee, whose dad was a
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: friend of Crowley who wrote Performance, the movie Performance. So
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: these reverberations of Crowley and Curly friends, you know, goes
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: all the way. I mean to Leary's goddaughter is win
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Ona Wryder, you know. So you see just these kind
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: of things going all the way through.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you said the Manson family. I said, Maryland and
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: asks because I was thinking of the musician Marylon Manson.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: But I think he also knew Alista Crowley all was
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: influenced by him. But I think you were actually referring
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: to Charles Manson.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Both, yeah, both, I'm talking about. Marilyn Manson also has
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: a song that mentions the Abbey of Felima, which I
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: talked to you about. But yeah, he was Marilyn Manson's
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: friends with Lovey who knew of Crowleyites and people like that.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: So it's just that they would call it the the
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: cults would call it the Crowley current, like this current
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: to this underlying dispersal of Crowley's ideas all the way
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: up until the president. Cultural figures. A lot of us
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: are familiar.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: With you, Yeah, you said, lave Anton LaVey. He founded
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: that the Church of Satan if I'm creating, and I
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: was also influenced by Alistair Crowley, wasn't he, No question?
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: You know, there were a lot of like Satanists in
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: the Bay Area at that time. He was one of them. Also,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Michael A. Kno knew about Crowley. And then this guy
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: who his name was McMurtry. He was the one who
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: actually wrote the story about Croley screaming at the Christian
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: carol as Christmas Carollers. But he ended up in Berkeley too,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: kind of carrying on Curley's tradition, and I have a
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: whole chapter about him in my book. But they all
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: knew each other. Interesting stories too, because McMurtry it was interesting.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: I wrote Children of the Beast in twenty fourteen, and
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: there's an interesting kind of exchange between McMurtry, who knew Croley,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: and Robert Anton Wilson and this guy Jacques Vallet, who
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: is a ufologist. They're talking about UFOs and things like
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: that in Berkeley, and then Vallet shows up on Joe
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Rogan like last month or something like that. So for me,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, these guys are all in the same
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: kind of and then you talk about Hubbard, who knew
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: of Croley. Croley's writing about Hubbard signed to all and
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: then all this kind of you know, stargate stuff, and
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: a putoff was on. Joe Rogan again recently is also
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: a scientologist, so it's Hubbard. Hubbard's son basically said, my
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: dad thought he was the one who came after in
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: the Book of the Law. He was trying to be
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: like a Curley type figure. So people who say that
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Croley didn't have an influence or reverberating influence don't understand
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: the kind of occulted, kind of secret history of the
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: twentieth century.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: But why how did he have such a significant impact
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: in the entertainment history.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: I think it's because of his original promises of egotism,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: actual self, selfish actualization that he lived. The lifestyle he
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: lived is what these people want, fame, celebrity, sex, and drugs.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: So I think that that was his kind of like
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: the life to And also his kind of views towards
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: music of the sixties is all Craley kind of all
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: these guys know it, Rolling Stone, Zeppelin, the Doors, all
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: these guys do. Had books on Curly and magical books
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: and things like that. So I think that that's like
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: his promise, that's part of his promises is kind of
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: what would they call it, They would be the duality
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: between Apollonian and Dionysian kind of Greek worldviews, like this
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: is Dionysian stuff, like you know, sex and drugs and
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: things like that.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Tell me a bit more about the numerology aspect. You
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: said ninety three and eleven.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really the key thing. So abrika dabra is
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: another word that's an eleven letter. Do it well? It
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: should be the whole the law. It's all elevens, it's
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: all systematized down these numbers. We talked about Libre seventy
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: seven to the Rights of Man, but eleven really is
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: the core kind of thing. The reason it's the core
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: is because it symbolizes so many different things. Actually, Curley
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: called it a not just a number, but like a
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: symbol because it's the op is it of forces. You know,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: this whole thing of the magician is trying to bring
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: opposition together inside the magician, right, so you're trying to
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: bring in these things, and from a kind of an
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: expanse of view, you have the pentagram and the hexagram,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: the five and the six. They both symbolize something. It's
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: the macrocosm and microcosm, right, and they come together in
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: The Magician into an eleven. Right, So you're supposed to
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: kind of bring these powers together, so you see this eleven. Also.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: The other influence of Croley Croley's ideas is, of course
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Harry Potter. But that's you know, the most important probably
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: one of the most well well sold set of books
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: in the world and movies in the world is the
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: first book is Incredible, Man, Like she knew I don't
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: even think she wrote it, but JK rallying, right. Do
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: you know she invented her middle initial? No? Yes, do
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: you see the game? You see it now? You see
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: it now? Like you talked about the cave. Magic with
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: the cave. That's why she invented her middle initial. Go
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: look it up. It's not a real name.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Do you think she's influenced by one hundred percent percent?
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: She knows all this stuff? Harry Potter. How many letters
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: are in Harry? How many letters are in Potter? Or no? Ways?
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: How long is Harry's first blonde when he goes one shopping?
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I've.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Eleven eleven so it's all there. Potter is basically a
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: kind of a reference to alchemy, right, you make clay
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: into gold. That's another kind of inclusion into magic, this
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: kind of alchemical knowledge and stuff like that from the
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: sixteenth central seventeenth century. Anyway, this numerology pervades so much
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: stuff people aren't even like you're not aware of that,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: but like for somebody like that, I mean it goes
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: to stranger things too, Like what the girls? Have you
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: watched Stranger Things?
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: You mean the series Nice? I haven't watched it.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, for the head girl's name is L for eleven.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: She's number eleven, so she's like a symbolic representation of magic,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: like that's that's what they call her L. But it's
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: short for eleven. It just goes on through there. I
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: mean all that stuff anyway.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: That's that's mind bending.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: It's the truth.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: And ninety three, so that we.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Talked about ninety three. So he so outside of Cruley,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: you have this kind of idea of the Kabbala, right,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: this ten saphar off with four different spheres. Cruelly was
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: into all kinds of old magic. It was not just
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: the alleged Jewish magic of the Kabbala. But he was
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: also into John d and Kelly and their whole kind
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: of ether kind of forty nine different ethers, I think
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: in their communication with angel Angelic and Nokian magic and
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: no Kan languages. And so anyway, he the part of
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: the Kabbala that is a breakdown of Kabala is jamatria
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: where words have meaning and power. And one of the
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: ways you determine that is to try to figure out
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: the numerical So each numerical value, so each letter has
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: a numerical value, and then you add those up, and
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: so both fillima and a copy add up to ninety three.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: So ninety three became a key component of Croley's religion.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: And then so you have eleven ninety three. The main
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: numbers of Croley really are eleven ninety three and seventy seven.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Seventy seven is half of the kind of like man
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: and woman coming together, Lady Babylon and the beast. And
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: then also I talked about Libre seventy seven or the
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: rights of Man and seventy seven names of Satan or
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: and the Book of you can read it all in
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: my book to Prophet of Evil. But yeah, so those
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: are really so those are all numbers, like he's always
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: there's actually a page I think I included in Profit
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: of Evil where He's literally has a whole page of
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: all of these scribblings and all of these names and
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: numbers with their numerical value and one of the more
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: important numbers that it sayesn't really make it out to
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: the public, but four eighteen was a Crawley number, and
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: it symbolizes the complete magical overthrow of the current world order.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: So you'll see some strange movies, like with Johnny Depp
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: who's an occultist. Their release date is April eighteenth for
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: reasons that I understand. Yeah, so that's like the occulted name.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: And see that goes back into the kind of definition
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: of what occult has happened, where you have the secret knowledge,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: you operate on the secret knowledge, but the external mundanes
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: or uninitiated or whatever. The term they have for contempt
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: of people who aren't muggles is the word they use
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: in Harry Potter is actually a common kind of conceptual
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: framework for magician is somebody else is a mundane, a muggle,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: an uninitiated, or they're not special, but you're you're making
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: you're making operational decisions about your life that the public
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: has no clue about what's going on.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: But what is the point of playing out in.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: The power of power, money and sex?
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: But I mean, is it a form of communication to
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: one another?
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: For sure? One hundred percent. When I was researching, I
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: just remember I was in a bar, of all places
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: in Vegas, it's probably about two thousand and five. Yeah,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: I was. I think it was on a I was
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: on a bachelor party and a guy walked in and
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: he had this shirt and I was just starting to
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: go through this whole process of understanding Crely. He had
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: a shirt on that said ninety three ninety three, and
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: I was just going to see that, and I was like,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: I think I know what that number means. I'm not never,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: like I said earlier, I've never been initiated. I'm not
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: art of ay come, but I'm suddy. But what it
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: clicked in my brain when I saw that is like,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: he's signaling to his fellow coorts because I know now
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: the other people would have known that he was like
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: a follower of Crowley right off the back because of
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: that number. But the public probably had no clue, you know.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: But I was like, dang, I know exactly what you're doing.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: You're signaling to other people. Do the use of that
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: number for sure? So I think there is a signaling.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Function, yes, because I mean I was wondering about why
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: you would throw around numbers, and it's goods communication.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: I liken it to analogize it to numbers that are
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: in the Bible. So Christians will say John three, p. Sixteen.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: They'll say Ephesians five twelve. I know these things, you
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: know have nothing to do with the unfruitful works of darkness.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Darkness would rather expose them, right, So you know these
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: like if you have been in the Christian Church for
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: a long period of time. So I think it's just
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: like that. So ninety three is the same thing. So
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: the cult to sees ninety three. They're like, dude, thought
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: will should be the wall of the law, Love under law,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Love underwill. Seventy seven. Right's a man. There's no God,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: but man, you know eleven, those of us who are eleven.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: So it's the number of magic. We believe in the practice.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: That's our religion. That's the funny thing. Like people ask me,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: he's like Curley religious. Yes, he's very religious. He just
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: doesn't have a Christian religion. He's just a total. He
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: was a complete giving himself over to the practice of
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: magic and Satanism.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: There's a connection between Alista Crowley and nine eleven, I think,
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: so what is that connection?
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: Well, the numbers of the planes and the date and
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: everything like that. Eleven's all that stuff, So the primacy
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: of eleven, like that, even the day itself September eleventh,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: two thousand and one, so it's an eleven into a
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: big eleven building, but it's one hundred and ten stories,
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: it's all and the first plane that hits at is
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Plane eleven. And so I think it was all very
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: structured and you know, planned out beforehand. And I don't
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: think it's any It shouldn't be a surprise or actually
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's by a random event. That George
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Bush's seniors famous New World Order speech was September eleventh,
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety, right, so eleven, so the big event was
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: planned at least eleven years AD and it was really
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: was a world changing event. So I think it was
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: very important. I think it's up to speculation whether George
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Bush Junior is the grandson of Crowley. It wouldn't surprise me.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: But I mean his mom looks just like a big head.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: You know. Crowley had kind of a blockhead. He was
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: kind of like he always tried to disguise that he
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: would wear like shawls and scarves and stuff like that.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: But Barbara Bush has that same look, and we can
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: tie her mom. Her name was Pierce. I can't remember
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: her first name right now, to kind of the to
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Paris at that time in the twenties.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: So but what would the connection with Croley have been
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: just the just the numerology. Would there be more?
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Well, you have to, I mean it's in my kind
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: of go through to my book. It's not just the event,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: but the cultural change that happened. You have to think
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: about Crowley too. People think of him as kind of
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: a dabbler, but he was very much knowledgeable about the cult.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: But he also had political views. He had a political
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: application of his ideas. That's what he wanted. And in
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Croley's worldview, the real optimal social structure is feudalism. So
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: just talk about neo feudalism and destroying the middle class. Really,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: we'd been right on board with that, and he's kind
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: of infamously said like, you know, people are cattle and
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: they should be treated as such and dispense with such.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: You know, they should you should use them for their
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: leather and mutton, and then discarded them. Like he had
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: a very cool kind of kind of outlook. And if
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: you look after nine eleven and see what happened, he
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: was kind of the kind of like the furtherance of
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: that here in the United States Patriot Act, open board,
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: you know, selling out a lot of the manufacturing in
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: the United States so people didn't have that access to
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: good jobs and shipping it off to China. So all
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: these kind of I think Cruleian ideas were where they're
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: in the culture of the anti Christian culture, which means
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: I think is still perpetuating still through Obama, who hates Jesus,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: hates Christ, he's gay and knows a lot of it.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's a relative of the Bushes. Actually he's
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: a distant cousin, so who knows. He knows a lot
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: about school and bones too. They don't really ever talk
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: about that, but anyway, so I think that the cultural
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: kind of change too, I think is actually a component
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: of what happened after nine eleven as well. Wars and
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: Colon and all that stuff.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: What was Crody's Jewish connection.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, Crowley traveled very well, but
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: he would he was. He died before the creation of
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: the State of Israel, but I don't think that he had.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: He was very racist. He didn't like Italians, black people, Irish,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: you know, in somebody he used the N word against
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Italians like that's like that's in his writings. And he
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: had contempt for Jews too, like he was. He had
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: a follower, Victor Newberg, who you know, they would call
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: them the worst stuff. Another follower like once the bickering
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: with Crowley, once the the fallout of his personal relationship
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: ships would happen, they would start belittling each other. And
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: one they call Crowley gay, who liked to have people,
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: you know, he was in he sent to some very
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: stream sexual practices. Curly was is a way of putting it.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: But then he didn't insult his followers who were Jewish.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: He called him like East End Jews, like grubby Jews
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But there was another one his
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: name who excused me right now where they were bickering
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: like that. So not a big fan of the Jews.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: I would say, Crawley was and his friends were. He
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: didn't keep his Jewish friends very long, and I don't
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: know himself himself. One of the interesting things about Curly
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: that he writes about is that he always maintained his
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: loyalty to the Queen and king right, so it was
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Queen Victoria at that time. So he said, I'm John
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: Syke's dog, which I think is from Oliver Swift from
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: what's the guy's name, what's the author's name, Robert. Anyway,
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: it's his dog who gets beaten up and keeps coming back.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: So that's what he likened himself too. So he was
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: always a loyal And that's one of the interesting things
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: about Croley is getting kicked out of so many countries,
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: but he's always able to limp back into the UK
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: even after leaving the States, France, Germany, Italy.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: You've spoken about Crowley's connection to the New World Order.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Well, the concept of a new world order is refashioning
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: kind of the world and the kind of vision of
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: what these people want. And it's not a Christian worldview
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: at all, it's kind of I think it's a Crawley
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: and Satanic Luciferian view where the slave shall serve, just
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: like Crowley said. And so these overlaps you can see
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: why they believe in that Crowley's doctrines are acceptable to
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: elitist people. I think that that's you know, he called
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: himself a priest to the princes. He also said, don't
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: mess with the muck of the meyer, find a diamond
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: and polish it, which he means find smart people and
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: make them smart according to Croley's image. So he was not.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: He was a total classist classicist, or both of them,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: really both. He knew a lot about the classics, but
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: he was very much part of the class structure of
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: nineteenth century England. Excuse me, but I think I think
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: that that's kind of the overlap between the New World Order.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: It's Luciferian kind of groundwork and Cray because they're really
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: almost carbon copies. Slave shall serve, neo feudalism, uh, you know,
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: get rid of the poor, you know, treaty to kill
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: him off, you know, big deal coal coaling and stuff
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: Was a transhumanist.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: In a way. Crawley was. I think I think that
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: he called Lucifer the positive androgiant or the androgiant, which
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: is a mix of these gender kind of rules, so
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: androgs the same words as androgynists. So I think Crawley
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: the really higher ends of lucifering. If you are a
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: real died in the world Satanist maybe believer, you become bisexual.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: I think that. And that's what Crowley really was, is
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: really kind of this bisexual trisexual person. And you see,
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: so he could be in a certain way through his
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: kind of doctrines, really one of the founders of this
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: whole transgender movement that's coming comes to today. So yeah,
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: i'd see, I'd say, well, it makes perfect sense, right,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: like just destroying God God's creation or you know, having
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: contempt for it. But some of his followers really like
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: there's a guy, Genesis p Orrige, who's really one of
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: the really like literally went through the transgender surgeries and
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: all that stuff. But he was an admirer of Curley.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: I have a whole section of him in my book
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: Children of the Beast, because he also is kind of
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: that I mentioned current earlier. But from Crowley to us
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: is purege to this crazy transhumanism, transhumanism transsexual stuff that's
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: happening now, dizzying cult and murders, and there's a smiley
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: faced killers that thing that took place, and some of
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: these guys, transgender guys are killing people. Man, they're violent. Yeah.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: Also, when we talk about the new World Order, it's
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: another way of saying Agenda twenty city, even sustainable development.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's all the same thing, built back better.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: It's all variations of the same thing. And Crowley had
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: had a role in that.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: What you find out is a lot of these guys
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: know a lot about Crowley. So Jimmy Savill is another
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: interesting character, literal pedophile guy who had sex with corpses
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: and stuff like that. One of his best buddies is
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: King Charles the Third, so back when he was the
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Prince of Wales. So you don't know the totality of
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: how deep it goes. Sometimes you get little glimpses of
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: how it goes. But I think a lot of these elites.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: Actually one of the interesting things is that what we
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: know is Boris Johnson, his wife, was in this play
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: that featured a lot of Croley's poems and stuff like
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: the darkest stuff like the some of the most horrid
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: writings that put to print. Curly did. So Boris Johnson
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: probably knows of Curley, I would say for sure he
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: was very much involved in the perpetuation of this mass
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: colon killing that's going on in Ukraine, like they are
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: happy to fill the graves of millions of people. That's
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: the way they could look at this. And I think
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: Craley would have the same look, like, oh too bad,
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: you're dead. Croly's actually said infamously before Hitler was I am,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: And I think he recognized a fellow traveler in Hitler,
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: like somebody who was part of this black magic experience Curly,
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: I mean Hitler. I mean, we could do another show
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: on Hitler, like full black magician of the Darkest Dribe
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: and happy to be in that role. I knew a
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: lot about the stuff Crowley, and there's weird overlaps between
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: the Crowley and Hitler and some of his friends. Like actually,
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: believe it or not, a lot of people don't know this,
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: but Crowley became the head of a German secret society,
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: the OTO, in nineteen twenty five. So some of these
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: guys who are in these secret societies are in the Nazis.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: And you cannot write that stuff, but it's not well
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: known kind of in American kind of Western history. But
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: these overlaps between Crowley and Hitler.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: Are there, So what was repeating?
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: I think people get a expurgated version of his personality,
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: so they think of him as kind of like a
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: person of freedom, Like he's actually influenced the gay movement
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: to gay rights movement. One of the early founders of
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: the gay rights movement, Harry A used to literally play
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: the piano at Curley rituals in la You can't even
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: write that, But I think that it's the promise of
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: freedom and detachment from old norms, and what they view
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: is kind of like staid, conventional and maybe conservative ideologies.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: So I think that's that's what they see, so they
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: want to rebel to. So he's really kind of like
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: a totem or a poster child for other rebels of
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: whatever stripe it is. So I think that Crowley was
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: the kind of person who like led that way as
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: kind of like almost like lucifer being a Luciferian, you know,
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: revolting in heaven. Right, So because in the culture creation,
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: what Curley was trying to do with changing the culture,
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: much like Leary who is guiding Leary, who is guiding Huxley,
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: how's their real goal? And a lot of those goals
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: are synonymous or similar to Curly's, which is overthrowing the
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: current order, creating the birth of the child, creating this
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: the age of Horus, this kind of new magical world
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: that they felt more comfortable in than a Christian the
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: old Christian kind of stuff. And we are experiencing the offspring,
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: the kind of ideological offspring of that. Now in the
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: United States, it's a total mess. Like you literally have
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: like transsexual kids, and nobody knows the Bible anymore. Everybody's
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: self centered. Witchcraft is the number one religion, and the heart.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: Of Christianity, which is in Europe, is dying.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's in its depth now. The barbarians are through
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: the gates and it'll be a miracle if they can
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: turn it around. I don't know. I don't know. I
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: think they can turn Europe around, Not at this pace.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: Not what's key keeping this war going these they've lost
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: the plot, they've lost the central theme of their lives
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: and of their history and of the past, present future.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: And if you lose that, there's done. You can't be saved,
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: You're just gone.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: So what you're saying, William is Alista Crowley's impact on
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: where we are today is significant. Ironically, very few people
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: know this.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: They're not consciously aware of But no they're not. They're
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: not taught it. They certainly are tadd it on the
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: mainstream media. And I don't think I think it's not
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: even a cover up. It's just that they don't care.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: They're not, as you know, crime for it. Maybe the
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: Christians are very concerned about Croley's or Satan, it's Satanic influence.
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: But there's so many influences. I mean, you can talk
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: about the West, Memphis Three, Damien Eckles, all these these
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: guys loves Crowley. So I think that, I mean, if
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: you want the the the you know what happens when
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: Crowley influences your culture. You don't have to look very far.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: And it's not a good outcome. So people should be aware.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: So okay, so what's the moral of the story.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: Crowley's bad, Get back to God, Go read your Bible,
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: the New Testament, and it should be part of your
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: politics and culture, Like this is the core of your
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: politics and culture and meaning. And they've taken the reason.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's really where the lynchpin is that holds
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: everything together. Is this kind of biblical worldview, the New
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: Testament worldview. I'm not talking about Judeo Christianity, which is
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: a joke, talking about like actual Jesus is the Messiah, Christianity.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: That's really what that's what's going to save us. Really.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean what you just said now is
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: intricately tied to what's called the West.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: It is the West. The foundation of the West's really Christian.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: I mean it came out of like Roman Empire, but
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: for thousands of years it's been Christian. I mean there
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: have been fights and obviously protstant Reformation, and even America
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: was started by Christian rebels. Really they wanted to come
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: here for freedom. That was it a change the world. Really,
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: the Christian of the foundational Christian views that were involved
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: in the christian of the United States just permeated the world.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: Like that's the standard, that's the gold standard, is the
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: Bill of Rights, and all these other countries talk about it,
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: they don't live up to it. The US isn't living
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: up to it anymore. But it all comes back from
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: this kind of seal for freedom that comes the real
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: freedom that comes from Christianity and the conquest of sin
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: and death. So Crowley really has to be seen in
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: that context of a kind of a theological context, not
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: a political or cultural which is which is a good
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: lens or a facet of perceiving that. But he's actually
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: his whole thing was to overthrow Christianity. I think the
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: people are putty when they lose their moral bearings and
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: things like that. So what they can and can't do,
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: I think they're really putty in the hands of political
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: movements or enemies. Really, I mean you can see this,
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: like you they literally the Christians would never let the
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: barbarians through the gates of France or Germany. Like literally,
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: there's like two hundred knife attacks in the last two
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: weeks in Germany. They would never have done it. The
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: real Christians would go, look, this guy is a pedophile
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: prophet whose followers murder people. Why are you letting them
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: do the gates. But now that Christianity's born down and
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: it's almost like a new world order, philosophy is running everything,
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: which is a lot to do with Thou wilt egotisms.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: Look at the people who are running Europe these days
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: are clowns, egotism, coke usage. I mean, they'd be right
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: in line with Crowley. So they have to get away
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: from kind of that Christian worldview, to the Christian worldview
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: that created these great states and cathedrals and peace and
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: you know, families and pro life and taking care of
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: the environment like it. I mean, people need to repent,
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: They need to get that's get away from Crowley and repent.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: Okay, William, how can I follow your work? Get your books,
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: et cetera.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: I have all five of my books that are on Amazon,
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: and all of my episodes over like thirteen hundred are
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: on any podcast distribution site, Spreaker, Spotify. It's William Ramsey Investigates.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: It's the number Well, it's in the top point five
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: percent of podcasts in the world, so it could streams
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: all over the world and a lot of listeners. I
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: started out as a guest and then kind of inverted
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: over covid. But I've had a lot of success with
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: the podcast, surprisingly and it's been a great way to
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: kind of distribute my books. But basically, I was in
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: this kind of role for years to just you know,
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: talking about Curley. So I don't even need like to
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: reference my book anymore, believe or not. I don't even
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: like look at notes anymore, I know, so much about.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: Curly William Ramsey, Thank you for joining me in the trenches.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: Glad to be here counts for the end.