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Talking the Room... with Greg Behrendt · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Margaret Cho, and you're.
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  Speaker 2: Listening to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 3: Our nuclear reactor pumping out one million kilowatts of power.
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  Speaker 4: We'll provide more cooling in the containment chambers.
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  Speaker 2: I was just thinking, why can't we be friends? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: am I not allowed to have friends anymore? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: am I not allowed to be friends with people that
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  Speaker 2: are hot? I mean, what kind of reverse prejudice is that?
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  Speaker 2: I hear you.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, am I not supposed to be friends with
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  Speaker 4: a guy just because he's married?
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  Speaker 2: Right. Or has an insane smile?
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  Speaker 4: Or an ass that makes me want to dry hump.
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  Speaker 1: Did you just say dry hump?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think I just fell in love.
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  Speaker 2: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I'm Brian, and
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  Speaker 2: this week I'm joined by my special guest co-host, Greg Barron.
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  Speaker 2: You probably know Greg from any number of projects he's
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  Speaker 2: worked on over the years. He's a comedian, author, screenwriter, actor, musician.
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  Speaker 2: He's done so many different things, and we're going to
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  Speaker 2: touch on quite a few areas of his life and career.
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  Speaker 2: And among those many facets of Greg's life, actually all
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  Speaker 2: the music we'll be playing this week will also be
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  Speaker 2: from Greg's band, The Reigning Monarchs. So for more on them,
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  Speaker 2: go to therainingmonarchs.com. But otherwise, there's a lot to talk about,
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  Speaker 2: so I say we get right into it. Here is
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  Speaker 2: this week's episode with Greg Barron.
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  Speaker 1: Are we rolling?
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  Speaker 2: It is up and running if you're ready to get
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  Speaker 2: into it.
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  Speaker 1: I am.
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  Speaker 2: All right. I usually just try to start at the
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  Speaker 2: beginning and kind of figure out why people ended up
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  Speaker 2: where they are. Yeah. So I guess early on you
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  Speaker 2: said started in San Francisco?
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  Speaker 1: Started in San Francisco. Born and raised in San Francisco.
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  Speaker 1: Went to and then moved to Marin, which is the
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  Speaker 1: bedroom community on the other side of the bridge when
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  Speaker 1: I was 10 and grew up in a very, very white, wealthy... sheltered,
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  Speaker 1: protected way in Marin.
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  Speaker 2: That definitely changes your perspective a little bit. You don't
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  Speaker 2: realize it at the time until you get out in
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  Speaker 2: the world.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's funny because I travel. My father comes with
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  Speaker 1: me every once in a while because he's the coolest.
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  Speaker 1: He came to Atlanta with me and I said, what
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  Speaker 1: if we'd fucking grown up here? Just look at the diversity.
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  Speaker 1: There's all kinds of... Atlanta's gorgeous. It's not about the
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  Speaker 1: money or anything like that. It's just about the the
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  Speaker 1: seasoning of people. You know, we grew up just fucking white. White!
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it was like a Steven Spielberg suburban dream,
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  Speaker 1: you know, where a ghost would come and terrorize you. Like,
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  Speaker 1: it was just really like.
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  Speaker 2: Did the ghost come?
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  Speaker 1: The ghost... I ended up giving... My wife gave birth
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  Speaker 1: to one of the ghosts.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, there you go.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we have a little poltergeist girl, but... No, but we...
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  Speaker 1: You know, when I think about it now... It was
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  Speaker 1: very much like in the Spielberg movies where you got
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  Speaker 1: on a bike and rode all day and you never
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  Speaker 1: went home. It really was like that when I was
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  Speaker 1: a kid.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think that's more of a sign of the times?
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  Speaker 2: Because I know kids now that are still relatively white
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  Speaker 2: neighborhoods or even just privileged. I mean, white doesn't necessarily
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  Speaker 2: have to mean privileged anymore. But it is funny that
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  Speaker 2: there are still kids in that same scenario now. that
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  Speaker 2: I think the world's changed and they just don't jump
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  Speaker 2: on the bike. They don't ride for miles because the
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  Speaker 2: parents won't let them. They don't have this separate little
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  Speaker 2: insular life. It's like they have, I sit at home
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  Speaker 2: and I watch this on my little laptop device.
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  Speaker 5: And I I play video games.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think kids have that outside life like they
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  Speaker 2: used to.
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  Speaker 1: Or there's so many activities for them to be scheduled into.
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  Speaker 1: That's huge. They teach skateboard now.
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  Speaker 2: Especially with kids with a little bit of money in
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  Speaker 2: the family. Then it's, what's our next appointment? Right, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: We actually invented skateboarding. My generation went to empty pools.
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  Speaker 1: you know, Tony Alva lived down in Los Angeles. Like
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  Speaker 1: it was being kind of created dirt bikes were, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I had the, you know, with the first BMX bikes,
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  Speaker 1: we were making our own by putting the big handlebars
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  Speaker 1: on the little bikes.
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  Speaker 2: And, you know, all of.
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  Speaker 1: That stuff was out of boredom, uh, out of, uh,
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  Speaker 1: dissatisfaction with toys or whatever was being offered to us.
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  Speaker 1: But it was always outliers. Like it was always, um, uh,
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  Speaker 1: rebel is such a huge word, but it was always
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  Speaker 1: those kids that pushed those sports and things to become
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  Speaker 1: something that now they're taught.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you know what I mean? I mean, there's games.
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  Speaker 2: Now it's become a sort of recognized sport.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 5: But at the time, it was kids being innovative out
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  Speaker 5: of boredom.
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  Speaker 1: Out of boredom.
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  Speaker 2: A thing like a skateboard existed before that, but nobody
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  Speaker 2: had done that with it.
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  Speaker 1: But that's the thing I worry about is the lack
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  Speaker 1: of boredom which leads to creativity yeah because you're forced
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  Speaker 1: to and i talk about this in my stand-up you're
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  Speaker 1: forced to imagine things yeah you know we didn't even
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  Speaker 1: know what vaginas looked like when i was a kid so.
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  Speaker 2: You had to welcome to the internet you had to
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  Speaker 2: imagine them that's all that's on the internet.
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  Speaker 1: I know and that's the thing like it it was
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  Speaker 1: like i talk about this in on in my show
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  Speaker 1: and People look blankly at me. I'm like, you don't understand.
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  Speaker 1: When you have a yearning for something, you don't know
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  Speaker 1: what it is. You don't understand what it is actually
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  Speaker 1: that your body wants to do. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: And so I think, but then at the same time,
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  Speaker 1: both my girls who are 10 and 13 are incredibly bright,
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  Speaker 1: incredibly engaged, incredibly conversational, incredibly savvy, incredibly interesting. And I
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  Speaker 1: feel like They excel at school and want to be
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  Speaker 1: and are better students because they have been reading and
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  Speaker 1: like there's an engagement that happens in technology that is
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  Speaker 1: almost like study. And so in some ways, I feel
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  Speaker 1: like they're better students because of it. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that there aren't. That's just my personal experience.
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  Speaker 1: But I do think they're never bored, dude.
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  Speaker 5: I go into this a lot.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like, I think because we're on that, we're
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  Speaker 2: sort of straddling this new world.
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  Speaker 5: And it's like, we remember the old version.
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  Speaker 2: Where like you kind of did everything yourself and we're
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  Speaker 2: watching this next generation come along. That's like, we can't
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  Speaker 2: fathom the way that this is changing. They're growing up
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  Speaker 2: and they're processing things. And like, I do watch my
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  Speaker 2: niece and nephews and like, I'm like watching them. use
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  Speaker 2: this little laptop device and interact with it in ways
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  Speaker 2: that are processing probably way faster than my dumb little
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  Speaker 2: brain would have done at that age. So I think
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  Speaker 2: it is something that, like, there's something to be.
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  Speaker 5: Said about the engaging with that that.
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  Speaker 2: Does kind of make your brain process maybe not better,
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  Speaker 2: but differently.
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  Speaker 1: Well, look, let's take being a musician. So when I
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  Speaker 1: was a kid, and I sound like the oldest guy
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  Speaker 1: that's ever been on your podcast.
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  Speaker 2: That's not true. I.
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  Speaker 1: When I was a kid, the idea of making a
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  Speaker 1: record was impossible. It was only going to be if
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  Speaker 1: you were gifted a contract from a recording.
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  Speaker 2: Which is a blessing. It didn't just happen.
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  Speaker 1: You fought to the nail. When you knew guys that
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  Speaker 1: made singles or guys that did their own records... You
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  Speaker 1: were like, wow. Those were like the guys that write
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  Speaker 1: code now and create apps. You're like, how the fuck
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  Speaker 1: did you do that? That's impossible. But it was a
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  Speaker 1: goal then to just get signed or just be able
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  Speaker 1: to tour because whatever media there was out there embraced
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  Speaker 1: your record or the underground scene embraced your record that
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  Speaker 1: you made. Now, you and I could just make a
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  Speaker 1: record right now.
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  Speaker 2: Right now.
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  Speaker 1: And we could put it up, and we could get
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  Speaker 1: it on iTunes, and we could pimp it out.
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  Speaker 2: Available to the world within minutes.
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  Speaker 1: Right, and there's no, I feel like because there are
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  Speaker 1: no gatekeepers anymore, the only thing you're really striving for
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  Speaker 1: then is notoriety. And I don't know that that's healthy.
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  Speaker 2: Not talent. Not achievement, notoriety.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there are, like, I think, I think there
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  Speaker 1: are places, like the R & B and rap world,
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  Speaker 1: there's still radio available to you and there still is...
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  Speaker 1: and so that's why some of the music my kids
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  Speaker 1: listen to a lot of it so you know when
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  Speaker 1: I'm being turned on to Wiz Khalifa and The Weeknd
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  Speaker 1: and all that stuff and I'm like wow this stuff
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  Speaker 1: is awesome and that's because there's some value in putting
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  Speaker 1: something out because there's a world that they can succeed
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  Speaker 1: in if you make rock and roll records I was
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  Speaker 1: just do you know who Bob Forrest is?
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  Speaker 6: No.
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  Speaker 1: Bob Forrest is a singer of Thelonious Monster, and he
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  Speaker 1: was also Drew Pinsky's partner on Celebrity Rehab. And he's
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  Speaker 1: an old punk, and he's a great guy. And he
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  Speaker 1: and I were talking because we just started a podcast
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  Speaker 1: called Just Keep Him Alive. It's a parenting podcast. That's awesome.
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  Speaker 1: And we haven't dropped it yet. We just started recording
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  Speaker 1: the other day. But we were talking about the fact that, like,
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  Speaker 1: he was saying a friend of his, this girl that's
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  Speaker 1: a friend of ours in a band called That Dog,
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  Speaker 1: he goes, she just wrote, one of his best friends
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  Speaker 1: is Anthony from the Chili Peppers, and he goes, I
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  Speaker 1: remember when he wrote Californication and just thinking, wow, that's
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  Speaker 1: just really a hit. This is really amazing. And he goes,
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  Speaker 1: now I have a friend who wrote a song that's
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  Speaker 1: just as good, and all I can think is, well,
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  Speaker 1: I hope your friends enjoy it, because they're the only
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  Speaker 1: ones that are going to hear it. There's no place
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  Speaker 1: for you, and nobody, you know what I mean? Like,
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  Speaker 1: rock and roll is so dead.
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  Speaker 2: It's true.
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  Speaker 1: You know, and for me, that's a sad thing because
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  Speaker 1: that's my lifeblood. But at the same time, I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to be the guy that doesn't understand change.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it is. Again, being even doing what I do,
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  Speaker 2: it's like it's amazing that we have this not only
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  Speaker 2: technology but opportunity to be able to put this stuff
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  Speaker 2: out there. But then you're dumping it into a sea
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  Speaker 2: of information. So it's like, how does anybody make any headroom?
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  Speaker 2: How do you get ahead in any situation when there's
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  Speaker 2: just so much overwhelming information and good, bad, and otherwise?
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  Speaker 2: It's nice that we all have that opportunity, but if
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  Speaker 2: nobody ever gets to hear it, how are you really
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  Speaker 2: accomplishing anything with this new.
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  Speaker 5: Freedom that we have.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's funny. I was
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  Speaker 1: looking at, you know, so I have a band called
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  Speaker 1: the Reigning Monarchs, and we play instrumental surf punk reggae ska.
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  Speaker 1: That's what we call it. But it's basically Tarantino-ish surf
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  Speaker 1: music set to a ska beat with reggae ideas. Nice.
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  Speaker 1: And it's evolved. It's evolved from basically a straight surf
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  Speaker 1: band into something far weirder. We're just making an EP
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  Speaker 1: with African rhythms, and then I think we're done. there's
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  Speaker 1: only so many things you can do instrumentally but I
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  Speaker 1: really like big guitars so anyway I was looking today
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  Speaker 1: at our stats and we're $ 60 away from crossing the $ 10, 000
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  Speaker 1: mark in total sales right so that could have never
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  Speaker 1: happened before right so now I get to have a
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  Speaker 1: band where the money can kind of trickle in and
• 12:50
  Speaker 1: it's people like that very specific type of music you
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  Speaker 1: know that's a neat thing on the other hand we
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  Speaker 1: did a Christmas single two years ago um Of the Nutcracker,
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  Speaker 1: and it's as good as anything out there, and no
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  Speaker 1: one's ever heard it.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? There's certain parts of our
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  Speaker 1: music where I go, I understand why this is just
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  Speaker 1: for us. But then there's other things I go, fuck,
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  Speaker 1: if just the right person heard this and put it
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  Speaker 1: in a movie, I mean, it's a beautiful, it's a
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  Speaker 1: fantastic version. We call it the Nut Skanker Suite, and
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  Speaker 1: it's just fantastic. I mean, I'll say it because the
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  Speaker 1: other guitar player in my band is just phenomenal. And
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  Speaker 1: so I'm like, but who's, how do I, even with my...
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  Speaker 1: tiny tiny bit of celebrity have a hard time you
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  Speaker 1: know finding a way of pushing it out there you know.
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  Speaker 2: It's i mean it is a weird thing that we're
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  Speaker 2: faced with now that like we we get to this
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  Speaker 2: point where we can create whatever we want we put
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  Speaker 2: it out there everything gets lost so it's like i
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  Speaker 2: don't know it does give you that like what what
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  Speaker 2: are we working for and when it gets out there
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  Speaker 2: the right person it's all like complete luck at this
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  Speaker 2: point because there's so much out there it's like we
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  Speaker 2: have sometimes really impressive things that go nowhere. And then
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  Speaker 2: you will see things that have millions of followers and
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  Speaker 2: hits and whatever. And you're looking at it going, this
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  Speaker 2: is terrible. And it's just luck or again, the spectacle
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  Speaker 2: of whatever it is that kind of catches on with people.
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  Speaker 2: And so it's not even based on anything you can,
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  Speaker 2: there's no formula to it. You can't ever pin anything
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  Speaker 2: down at this point. It's all complete luck.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean, I think, you know, there should
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  Speaker 1: be some gratitude in that, like, there's a lot of,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, one of the big fights was when,
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  Speaker 1: you know, when I was a young punk, it was like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, fuck your music, you gotta hear our music,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and everyone was fighting for, you know, everybody
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  Speaker 1: wanted sort of what we ended up getting, you know, and,
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  Speaker 1: you know, there was no diversity in radio, and there
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  Speaker 1: was no crossover and all that stuff, and then MTV
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  Speaker 1: changed it, and it all, you know, And so some
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  Speaker 1: really good things happened because of that. And, you know,
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  Speaker 1: my daughters listen to everything. They have no, they're not
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  Speaker 1: stuck in a genre.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they'll listen to, I mean, they think everything
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  Speaker 1: with guitars is The Clash. Is this The Clash, Dad? No.
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  Speaker 1: It's Fiddler. They're from now. They're a brand new band.
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  Speaker 1: They're now. They live in Orange County. They're only about
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  Speaker 1: five years older than you. Oh, my God. But they
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  Speaker 1: also have expansive taste and they're open to everybody. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And they're growing up in a different world. They're growing
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  Speaker 1: up in a world where they're coming into a world
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  Speaker 1: where gay marriage is just happening and the president is
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  Speaker 1: a black man. Their starting off point is so different
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  Speaker 1: than mine.
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  Speaker 2: Things we couldn't have imagined. Couldn't have imagined. Like 10
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  Speaker 2: years ago, I don't know if I would have believed
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  Speaker 2: we had a black president.
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  Speaker 1: When I was a kid, a black quarterback was inconceivable.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Like, truly. Like, just an anomaly. And, you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: just changed. Like, if you think about it, at 52,
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  Speaker 1: it's changed really rapidly. You know, that sounds like a
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  Speaker 1: lot of years, but it's not.
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  Speaker 2: 10, 15 years, everything has changed.
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  Speaker 4: Everything.
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  Speaker 2: Like, not just technology, but the world around us. It's
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  Speaker 2: just massively different.
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  Speaker 1: I was preparing for our talk today, so I was looking.
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  Speaker 1: I listened to your podcast, and I was watching movie trailers.
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  Speaker 1: Which I love. I could watch trailers for days. Sometimes
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: there's no new trailers and I'm like, oh, come on, man.
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  Speaker 1: But I was looking at it and I was thinking,
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  Speaker 1: you know, movies have changed now because, you know, they
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  Speaker 1: can be watched on different platforms. Yeah. Certainly there are
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  Speaker 1: movies that you go, that really is for my television.
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  Speaker 1: It's just fine. I can enjoy that on my television.
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  Speaker 2: I play this game a lot, actually, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Right? And then there's some directors that scream to be
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: seen in a theater. Not that they shoot on film,
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: but the way they shoot. It's a bummer if you
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: don't see an Edgar Wright movie in the theater because
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: he spent all the time making a movie. Same with
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: Wes Anderson. You go, oh, God, Wes. Yes, all right.
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  Speaker 1: I'll go. Yes, it's like a dollhouse. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: But it will look beautiful on the screen. But I
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  Speaker 1: was noticing, you know, there's event movies three times a month.
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  Speaker 1: You know, everything is either an Oscar contender or some
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  Speaker 1: sort of, you know, either a rebooting of a brand,
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  Speaker 1: a novel, or a Marvel movie.
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  Speaker 2: That's kind of all that gets made studio-wise now. It's
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  Speaker 2: got to already be a brand, basically.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Right. but one of the things that is interesting
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  Speaker 1: that I do think has happened is that because they
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  Speaker 1: only make those movies, they've started to populate them with
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: writers who can write and actors who can act. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So you don't have just a dumb time at a
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Marvel movie. Like you kind of go, fuck it. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: any one of these people could hold down any other
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: kind of movie. You know what I mean? Like, holy shit. Like,
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's Jeff Bridges. You know what I mean?
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Like there's, That's Robert Downey and Jeff Bridges and Gwen Paltrow,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: and that could be a scene in a play than
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: just in the living room. I do feel like at
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: least somebody's trying to, well, this is what we got.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Let's put some quality in it.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: That's part of it. I think we have kind of
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: stepped everything up a couple of notches, and because we're
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: not making all this other stuff, maybe that's part of
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: it too. Maybe people who would have filtered through sort
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: of those middle movies that had a $ 40 million movie
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: years ago Now those are gone. And so it's like
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: all we have are million dollar independent movie or 200
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: million dollar blockbuster. So it's like, well, everybody's kind of
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: got to go one way or the other. So the
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: better known stars and writers and everybody is even directors
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: like you're watching people that are really talented make superhero
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: movies now. And it's like, I don't think we had that.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Like you look at the ones they were making in
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: the 80s and even coming into the 90s, we were
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: just kind of getting to that point of going. these
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: don't have to be terrible just because they're pulpy, you know,
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: just because it's pop culture stuff, you can make it
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: actually a legitimate story with real characters. So I think
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: it took those extra years and the industry changing for
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: people to go, oh, well, okay, this is what we're
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: making now.
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: It doesn't just have to make money. Sometimes that's all
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: they're going for.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: But when they really try, especially what the Marvel movies
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: have been doing, or even like what Star Wars is
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: trying to do now, it's like, What if we give
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: it to somebody who not only has talent, but also
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: understands the property and wants to create something good and
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: isn't just sort of ready to slap their name on
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: it for the sake of it making money.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Right. I mean, he did a hell of a job
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: with the Star Trek. I mean, everybody was like, no,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: you know, and it was, and it's hard to recast
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: all those people. And then you go, Jesus, you know,
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: I thought.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: They never would have done like years ago. I was
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: just like, you can't make another Kirk. Like you can't,
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: you know, and people will still argue that it's not
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: the same, which it's not, but he did a good job.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Like it's entertaining as hell.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, and I don't know, you know, the thing
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: that people don't realize is when you didn't grow up
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: with something, you know, Shatner was a joke even then.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: People like the show, but they like the stories, and
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: they like Nimoy. Star Wars, you forget. The last science
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: fiction movie made before Star Wars that was popular was
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: the one where they had the thing on their hands.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Logan's Run.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: I love Logan's Run.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Right. But the technology jumped dramatically. Massively. People don't understand
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: that before Star Wars, they didn't look like that at all.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: So yes, you go back and go, well, the plot's
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: really simple and the dialogue's really simple. Fuck, George Lucas
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: was doing a whole other thing and then populating it
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: with people and he spent all of his money on
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: stuff and spent little of his money on actors. They
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: all did great. They were lucked out with Harrison Ford.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: They were all unknown, yeah.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: But he was making a movie that... I remember when
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: I saw the... I remember seeing the trailer on TV
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: and going, I don't know, maybe. You know, like it's
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: a movie about space. And then, you know, it became,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: it was such a phenomenon and so amazing and so great.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: And just all of a sudden you were like, everybody
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: wanted to be Han Solo. And it just, but the
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: technology was like, flying into the Death Star and all
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: that stuff. So that's what really got people to those
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: movies was like, and the fact that like, you didn't
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: ever see the future of, Or a long, long time
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: ago where all the space things were banged up and
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: dirty and shitty. It really is. He was so smart.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: It was so crafty. And then, of course, you know,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: then I think he, once it came down to, well,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: we've got all the stuff, he lost sight of like. Yeah.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, I tried really hard. But at that point,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: I sort of outgrew it by the second one. I
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: was like, because I was at the right age to go,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: I kind of like girls now. And I'm not going
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: to– I'm done running around pretending I'm Han Solo. I'm
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: still working on that.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: So it– I think that first– I still love that
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: first trilogy. And I think Star Wars in particular came
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: along at the perfect time for all of that to
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: work because it's like we'd just gotten out of 2001.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: So that's got the technology. slow and like you can't
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: show that to kids and not have them go what
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: is what are these monkeys why am i watching this
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: the 14 minutes of nobody talking like yeah yeah yeah
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: so you get like okay there's the technology a couple
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: years later it's like okay but remember all the flashy
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: you know cereals and buck rogers and stuff like you
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: know like let's do that So it's kind of this
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: mixture of, you know, old fun cereal stuff that always
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: kind of played well to kids.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: And then, oh, and we can step it up a
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: notch and.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Be like, here's some legitimate, you know, technology that you
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: have never seen and certainly haven't seen used like this.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: And it kind of blew kids' minds at that point. Oh, yeah.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: It was like going on a ride, man. I mean,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: it was really like, I was like, you know, because
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: that came out in what, 79? I think the first one, 77. 77. Right. Yeah. Right.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: So I was 14, and I think I saw it
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: seven times. That was the thing. That was one of
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: the first movies where people were going seven, eight times.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: It's one of the few times ever as a child
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: I went back to the theater. You just didn't do
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: that then.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Again, maybe just we didn't have any money, so they
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: didn't take me back again. But I was just like,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: I need to see that again. And we've talked about
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: that before, too. It's also like that was, again, difference
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: in the generations. That was the only way you could
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: see it. And I don't think kids now can even fathom.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Like they have every piece of information at their fingertips constantly.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Like whatever they want to watch, whatever they want to see,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: whatever they want to know, they can just go find it.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Whereas like we were like, I really love Star Wars.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: I've got these collector cards. You know, like you couldn't
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: watch it. You couldn't get to see it again short
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: of going to the theater.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: No, so there was like that patience of having to
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: wait and the excitement. And again, I'm not saying that
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: that's better because it's just different. But there was something
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: about like that, that just kids, you know, just having
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: an ability to wait and figure something out.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Patience isn't something I don't know that the next generation
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: is going to have a ton of patience.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: I want to make a movie where the grid goes
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: down and everyone's saved by old people because we're the
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: only ones with rope and a map.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Here's what you do, kids. Hold on a second.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Here's the deal. Write this down. You want to go
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: down third. Wait, what are you talking about? I'm going
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: to give you directions. I don't understand. Directions. I'm going
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: to tell you how to get there, but we don't
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: have phones. All right. What happens? Get a pen. I
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: don't know what that is.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: They're starving to death. You've got all these canned goods.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Just crank. No, crank it. I know the other one
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: doesn't work. Just here, put this on. Open these cans.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: The whole technology. Well, just, yeah.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: I see you're trying to code, but the grid's down.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying? I get that. I know
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: you can do that.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: These ones and zeros in the dirt aren't going to
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: do anything.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: No, no, no. Binary code is over. But it's funny.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: But also, I engage with... All of it.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: All the time.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: I do too. I love Netflix. I mean, we just
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: recently got rid of television and we just do Hulu
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: and Netflix. It's expensive and we just weren't using it.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: I miss the news every once in a while. It's
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: hard sometimes to find the debates or whatever. I like
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: to stay a little bit connected because when things like
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Paris go down, as a father, you sort of want
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: to be able to have enough information. You can get
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: it on the internet, but sometimes I do like putting
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: on an MSNBC or CNN or whatever and letting the,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? The BBC trying to find.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: I just like having it on a lot of times.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: And again, I think that's from growing up in a
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: house where there was just television. And so I find
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: like there was a time when I didn't have it
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: and I was like, I missed that. The general noise
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: that I wasn't paying attention to. Cause that's why some
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: people like, Oh, I put a movie on during the day.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I can't do that. Or I can't get
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: anything done. Like I want to stop and watch movies.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: But generic television, like a lot of times I'm just like,
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: it's just background noise and that's all I need it
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: to be. Like, no offense, there's some really good television
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: out there, but there's also a lot of crap. So
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: it's like, I don't mind it on as general background noise,
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: but yeah, I can't just turn on a movie and
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: walk off.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: And that's another thing that's evolved. Like I, you know,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: I do like, I love, you know, I whipped through Jessica.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Jones and I'm most of the way through and.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: River and all those. I love all the BBC detective
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: series is like, I just can't get enough of them. And, and, uh,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: especially the one broad church that the tenant is David
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Tennant is in. Uh, and I love, and Luther and Sherlock,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: you know, like that kind of stuff. And, um, but
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: I also got turned on to Gotham by a friend,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: like maybe two months ago. And I watched all both,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm caught up and I, I was like
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: so surprised because I was like, I'm not, you know,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: like everybody else. I'm like, I don't want to see
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: the story of the guys around before Batman. This isn't
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: that interesting. And then you go, this is good performances. Yeah.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: And it's like art directed in an incredibly cool way.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: And it's sort of L.A. Confidential meets seven in its
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: sort of art design. And, you know, and that kid's amazing.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: The guy from the O.C. and Southland, McKenzie, Rip McKenzie.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: He's great. They're good. Donald Logue, they're great. The guy
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: that plays the penguin.
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: That's what I was just going to say. The penguin guy.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: That was one of those, that's a hard performance anyway.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: And he kind of found his own way to do it.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: I think he's got potential to do a whole lot
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: of stuff outside of Gotham. So I'm waiting to see
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: where he goes. Yeah, yeah.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: He's a cool actor. He's a really cool actor. I
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: think he's really good. I even think the Edward Nygma
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: guy is good. He had to double that performance up
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: a little bit, but.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Potential on a lot of these people.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. And again, they put a lot of thought
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: into it. They put a lot of... There's a lot
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: of craft in it. There's a lot of people working
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: very hard. I mean, the art direction is just... It's
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: like a Tim Burton film. There's just so much going on.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: And you look around the rooms and the way it's...
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: It takes time. And it's real thoughtful. Yeah, so I
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: like that. I like that quite a bit.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: It does make me wonder... Are we like, do we
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: need new categories now? Because it's always just been, you know,
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: film is film and TV is just dumb sitcoms. And
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: like now that we have this, because it got stepped
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: up a little bit when we had like Sopranos and
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: stuff like that. But when you get to a point
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: like the Netflix shows, I'm like, it is just a
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: 10 to 12 hour movie, basically. Like it sometimes they
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: set it up as an episode kind of thing where
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: it does at least wrap up an hour at a time,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: sort of. but it's still telling, it's almost more of
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: like what a miniseries used to be. They don't do
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: those anymore. But I was thinking that the other day.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: I was like, it's basically just like an epic miniseries idea,
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: only now we just take it for granted.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: It's really funny you say that, because ABC is just
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: about to do a miniseries about Bernie Madoff, and it
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: looks like a film. And it's Richard Dreyfuss is playing
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Bernie Madoff, and it has all the, it's like they're
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: all catching up a little bit too late.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's networked. Right, right.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: But I did actually watch the trailer and go, fuck,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: I got to make sure I see this. This looks amazing.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Because it's the what happens to the family. It's like
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: how he conned them and then how they got fucked.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: And it looks so good. Oh, my God. I'm swearing
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: like crazy. Oh.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I try to bring new words into it. You
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: can make up new curse words.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: I heard the one where you said you had somebody
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: on your show and you're like, there's going to be
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: a lot of swearing in this one. So that's not
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: your thing. It's not your thing.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I at least warn people ahead of time. After that,
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: it's your own fault.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: But anyway, there is that catching up. The thing that
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: is in my mind all the time is, where's the
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: money going to come from? Where is the money coming from?
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: And how are they generating money? Because in a weird way,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: I guess it's subscription, even though people can steal things.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Although I don't watch pirated stuff, not because I'm a
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: virtuous person. It just seems like too much trouble.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a fight for that new stuff.
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: And they watch that really hard.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: So I'm like, it's not worth it for me. I'd
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: rather just watch it.
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: Especially when it's so easy to get it the right way.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: I think that's what they found, especially with music. Back
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: when Napster was a thing, it was a big deal.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: And they were like, well, people are just going to
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: steal it all. All they had to do was make iTunes.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Make a really simple way for you to not steal it.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: People are fine with that, too. All it has to
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: be is simple, I think. And people are like, all right,
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: good enough. Right.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: I don't think, except for with the hand, it was
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: ever about the cost. I mean, things couldn't cost less.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: But music has a different value now because you don't
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: spend any time with it as a separate item. When
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: it was actually a function of an activity that required
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: your hands, it was a different experience.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: But that's coming back, too. I just did a whole
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: vinyl episode, and I'm talking to people about the... the
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: weird resurgence of vinyl and people suddenly value a physical
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: form of music again, which they did like for 15,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: 20 years, like nobody did like even CDs. It's like, eh, whatever,
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: you know, it was just the thing. But like all
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: of a sudden there's this like reverence toward the physical
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: form of music again. And that's, it's strange. I think
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: it came from having none of that. And then we
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: have this new generation of kids coming up now that's like, well,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: This is a novel concept. You know, it's I'm, I'm
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: actually physically doing it. I think it started as more
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: of like a joke or at least the ironic way of, haha,
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: this is so weird and retro. And eventually they went,
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Oh no, I really like this. Like I think people
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: sort of settled back into it. And there's, there's people
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: that are starting to respect, you know, physical forms of
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: media again. So there's maybe a little hope that that'll
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: still be around in the future.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Well, the other thing that's going to be interesting, just
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: thinking about the other day, you know, It's not as fast,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: but you could take a picture of your penis and
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: print it and put it into an envelope.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: You're saying that like I don't have this experience?
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: And you could write a dirty letter in handprint and
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: send it to somebody, and no one except you, the recipient,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: maybe the postman, would have it. And even if a
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: person got it, they'd have to upload the picture so
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: they could show everybody, and at that point, they're tired.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: The mail is something that will occur to people like,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: you know, if we don't want to get caught, we
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: could send it in the mail, right? We could write,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: this whole thing should be done in letters, handwritten letters. Like, suddenly,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: I think people in crime should slow down and go,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: you know, if we just weren't doing this on the internet,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: you know, you can still send stuff. The mail still works.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: It's back to that easy thing.
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: It's like, oh, that's too much trouble. Can't I just
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: steal stuff real simple?
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's like, it's that thing of like.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Can't I screw around with my wife and do it?
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: It's too much trouble to write letters to her. Never mind.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: People will be like, So in that box, later on,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: there's going to be something. Yeah, every day, letters come.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Letters from people. Yeah, they're going to talk to you.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Is it like a secret? Yeah, it's a secret box.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: And there are words inside. Those are called envelopes. And
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: you open the envelope, and there's secret messages inside.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: It's the thing. People screwing around on their spouses. They're
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: always getting busted on their phone with texts and photos
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: going back and forth. Right. Think if you mailed them,
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: you read your dirty letter, you immediately burnt it.
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: Nothing ever happened.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: No one could ever prove anything existed.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: So it took a couple of days, but you waited
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: for the exciting things to come in the mail. You
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? It was like no texting. You
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: went off that electronic trail. Start sending letters to people.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Start writing. And I think people will rediscover certain elements
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: of that because I think they'll burn out on this
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: or they'll want to get away from it. People are
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: going to want to detach from the grid. They're going
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: to figure out a way to get away from that
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: whole thing. And I think you're right. I think albums
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: are the first. I should fucking invest in, like, pens. Oh,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: my God. I'm going to invest in pens and envelopes.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Really fancy pens.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, right.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Because, again, I see, like, if it's going to be
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: a novel thing anyway, why not spend $ 50 on this
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: really fancy pen of mine?
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: Then everybody will compare.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: You call it a letter pen. This is four letters.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: It's always a competition thing, too. It's like, oh, my
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: pen's better than your pen. So then you've got to
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: jack up the price a little bit.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: Beautiful hand-crafted artisan envelopes. Heavy-duty paper. You make your own papyrus.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: the whole thing.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: You say this as it's a joke, but I can
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: see people totally getting into this.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: No, the typewriter comes back and people are doing these
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: typewritten letters. Everyone knows how to type. Why not just
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: do it on a typewriter? And then no one has
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: a record of this except you and me. This is
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: our personal record to each other that we are keeping
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: that no one knows about because it's in the fucking mail.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: But how's it going to get to the cloud? we
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: need to leak this stuff out to the world, don't we?
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, the postman is the cloud.
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: This is crazy talk.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: No, I think you're right. I do think that people
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: will start to discover a value. I think the record
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: thing is a little bit of the world wanting to
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: slow itself down and go, you know what, flip aside,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: listen to it. That's the idea, I think, of people like,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: it's like people who like good coffee. It's like, I
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: want to really experience this music. I want to actually
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: make it an activity, not a passive thing. And I
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: want to put it on, and I want to sit
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: in my room, and I want to have good speakers.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: And I want to listen to. And then, of course,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: they're going to find the artists that they think sound best.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: And everyone's going to have their own opinion about whether
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: it's jazz or an old punk record. But it's still,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: I think it's a great thing. I love it. We
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: don't have a turntable anymore. And I sold all of
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: my records when I was a drug addict years ago.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: But I want to start again. I'd love to have
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: a small collection. I have actually some records at home.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: People give them to me as gifts. And I really
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: love that idea of having a, you know, not a super...
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: I don't want to be the guy that's like, you know,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: with a $ 50, 000 needle. I just want a decent, a
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: decent setup where I can have that experience for me.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: I don't even care if my kids like it or not.
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: Again, I got into it.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: So like into the digital, like I quickly embraced the
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: new technologies each time. So I didn't have a huge,
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: like deep rooted love for vinyl. What I've found that
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: I really appreciate is the going back and looking at
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: all the weird stuff that ended up on there that like,
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: now nobody would bother to make some of these albums,
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: but like they're out there. Like, I think that's what
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: I like is like, you can kind of delve into
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: this like box of vinyl, God knows where, and find
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: things that you can't imagine ever got made, let alone
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: pressed on vinyl. Like they got to a point where
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: they would put a lot of weird stuff on vinyl.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: No. And, and, um, uh, and they spent money on it.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Like it was, you know, it wasn't, like we said earlier,
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: it wasn't cheap to do. It was cheap to.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Make a record. It was a big deal.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: You know, it was a big deal. Like, you know, um,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: even being on television, you know, I was talking to
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: someone the other day and he said, are you going
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: to do a special, another special? And I said, well,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: I have another, I go, I don't, they don't feel
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: special to me anymore. They feel like an, uh, a
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: standup obligation in a weird way.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Like I remember when, when about the only way you
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: could do it in, it was a big deal is
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: when you ended up on one of the cable networks.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: And it was like, if you had one of those
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: HBO specials, like they promoted the hell out of it.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Like it was an event when it finally happened. And like,
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: once all those kind of went away, like now there's
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: the resurgence of comedy and there's so many great comedians
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: out there, but I don't think anybody ever knows. Like
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: I'll go on Netflix and go, look at all these
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: standup specials. I had no idea existed.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: I don't think there's any good way to get the
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: word out.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: They move them in really quick and they promote them.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: And like, you know, I mean, that's a nice, you know,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: like my second when Netflix was really starting to kick off.
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: My second special, which got very little play on my
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: second hour, which gave very little play on Comedy Central,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: even though they bought it, was right up there on Netflix.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: And so I saw a bump and I saw people go,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: I didn't know you did stand up or whatever. So
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: that was kind of cool. It's not my favorite of
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: the specials, but it was up there. And so I
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: want to make something because I want, I think, you know,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: I want more current YouTube clips. because that's how people
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: reference you.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: That's what it is now.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: They reference you through YouTube, and they watch. Everybody who
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: comes to see me goes, I didn't know who you were,
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: and then I watched a couple of clips on YouTube
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: and shit. Dude, I was like, yeah, I'm going to
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: calm down.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: I'm going to see that.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that shit was good, dude. And that's how everybody
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: does it. They check you out as a stand-up, for sure.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: They check you out on YouTube. So to me, it's
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: like the whole point of getting a special is so
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: you can break it into pieces, and they will watch
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: the better of the clips. Everyone talks about like, oh,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: you know, people burning their material or somebody shooting them.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: It's like, when I see a shitty clip of the
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: White Stripes, I don't watch it. Or if somebody's at
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: a Jack White concert and I see a shaky handheld thing,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: I was like, I just want to see a good one.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: I don't want to hear your shitty.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Watch the well-produced stuff.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, if Jack White gets in
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: a fight and this is the only thing.
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: Then you want the camcorder version of it.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I want to see like, you know,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: if there's some cool thing, then that's fine. But other
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: than that, I just, I want to see a quality production,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: something I can hear, something I can understand.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: Um, what I feel like people need to do in
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: comedy is go in just like this is how it happens.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Instead of even doing a special, just do like. like
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: your own YouTube series where you just put out 15
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: minute clips of like your favorite stuff and like create
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: it specifically to go out to people on YouTube because
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: you know, that's what they're doing. So you might even
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: do like a year of like, this is my whole,
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: you know, material that normally would be an hour or
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: a whole full show and just start putting them out
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: with a decent production value directly as like a YouTube thing.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Like it, it, It's kind of coming to that anyway.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't... Now that you say that, and I
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: have this new hour, and I've been thinking about what
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: to do with it. And again, there's no money in
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: it on Netflix. Let's say John Mulaney... Well, if Netflix
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: pays you to make one, it does. But for the
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: most part... you or a production company make it and
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: they sell it and you break even.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: You put it on there mostly just to help you
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: promote yourself when you go on the road, basically.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, and then hopefully do a different hour after that.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: But you only do it so that you can be
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: heard above the din of your peers so that you
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: can sell tickets. And so people know you're still relevant,
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And for your handful of
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: fans that want to, but like, Uncool, which is my
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: first record, is on Bandcamp and it sells and You know,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: it sells like every year, a nice check drops in,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: and I get spins on the radio. So there's something
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: in having it documented, even if it's not a special.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Because like you said, right,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: it's like Amy Schumer will do a special after she's
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: become a movie star first.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of what it's come to. Well, I mean,
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: getting into that, I guess what did you– decide you
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: were going for as you as you because you've ended
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: up in so many different areas in the entertainment industry
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: as a whole where were you going initially was it
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: comedy that you reacted to like when you were a
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: kid watching that stuff is that what you kind of
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: felt drawn towards.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Now music music yeah i was a i was a
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: hardcore horrible athlete jock uh and i um because i
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: felt like i really loved sports when i was a
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: kid and i wanted to be an athlete And then
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: I got an Aerosmith record and went, that's a whole
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: different way of being a man. And I like that, man.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Scarves and shit, holy shit.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: That is a different kind of man.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: That is a way. Sign me up, bro. Sign me up.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: So I almost immediately got a guitar and dropped sports.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, it didn't quite happen like that. But I
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: went to college and I continued to play rugby, which
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: I played in high school. And, but I really got
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: serious about playing music and badly, but, but serious. And
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: so music was my thing. And then I got into
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: the theater department when I was in college. And so
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: I was always, I think headed towards, my mom was
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: always shoving me towards some kind of, she was like,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: you should be in an acting class or something. Cause
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: I was not an academic at my school. You know?
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: So she was always like, I did go to a college,
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: but I, but they just were like, you're just, you're
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: a funny guy. And my parents loved comedy. My parents
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: loved comedy. They, you know, they grew up, they lived
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: in San Francisco. They saw all the greats when they
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: started out, you know, they saw Phyllis Diller and Bob
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Newhart and Cosby.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Did you respond to the stuff they were into?
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Some of it. I love Cosby.
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: Not the punk rock thing of like, whatever you like.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: No, no, no. My parents had cool taste. They were not,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: they didn't, they grew up. I mean, they could have,
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: they could have gone one or two ways. They went the,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: the North beach beats, you know, um, uh, jazz comedy
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: way as opposed to the Beatles. Right. So they, that
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: was their groove was like, they really love going to
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: comedy clubs and they love going to musicals and they
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: love going to jazz. So they, that and plays, they
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: love plays. So we did a lot of that. They
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: were very arty in that way. And so, uh, in
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: a very madman way. And so they really liked comedy.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: And so my mom was always sort of nudging me there.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: And I'd be like, first off, no, secondly, no.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Like I really just, yeah, I'll have none of it.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: No.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm not going to, I think I,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: at one point I actually said the sentence, I'm not
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: going to prostitute my personality for money.
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: This was during the punk rock years, wasn't it?
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So stupid. And I was such a terrible guitar
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: player and I, and I, but I, you know, I
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: really responded to music. I felt like it sort of
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: was a, um, a place where I found refuge like
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: everybody else does like, Oh my God, these are the
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: people that I like.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: And there's, you know, and I have to say, like,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: you know, I went to college. I made a gay friend.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: You know, I experimented with drugs.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Breaking out of that small world that you grew up in. Yeah, yeah.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: I started experimenting with drugs. I started going to independent film.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: You know, I still love David Lynch and Jim Jarmusch
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: and those pioneer days of independent film.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: You know, um, again, that some of that stuff got
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: made at that point is amazing. Incredibly that they were financing.
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: Cause now David Lynch does whatever he wants.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: He does it on digital. He does it for three
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: and a half hours.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: But the studio finance things like blue velvet at the
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: time and like put a good amount of money in
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: production value into something that's still pretty weird. And that's
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: one of his most normal things he did. But like, Yeah,
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: the fact that he got funding to do something as
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: weird as that and other artists at that time.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Right, Alex Cox was another big one. You know, Repo
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Man's still one of my favorite movies ever. One of
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: the best soundtracks that's ever been made. You know, I
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: just really responded to all of that stuff. I just,
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: you know, and, you know, it was the post-punk era,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: so it was, you know, it was starting with the
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: Stray Cats and the Bow Wow Wow and the Fall and,
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: you know, anything that was just like after punk where everyone,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: punk basically said, You can do whatever you want, and
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: that doesn't just mean ripping on guitar. So you had
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: the talking heads, and there's just all that shit. So
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: it was a really cool time in everything, in music
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: and cinema, because everyone was sort of taking the punk
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: ethos but not making it challenging and not making it
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: all angry. Some of it was weird. Some of it
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: was dark. Some of it was ridiculous. Some of it
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: was silly. Some of it was fun, like the Stray
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Cats were just fucking fun. I mean, I don't think
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: people realize that when the Stray Cats came around, they
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: seemed like a cornball band now, but at the time
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: they were like, what the, you know, because that's not
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: what rockabilly looked like in the 50s. These guys looked
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: like a cross between rockabilly and goths and girls. And
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: they were really interesting. And Brian said, like, it was
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: a real, like, Out of context, it seems like they're
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: in dress-up. But when you were there, you were like,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: these guys are cool, man.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: Well, it was so legit, especially with Brian. He was like,
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, he was so rooted in that that he
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: kind of brought back that weird 50s thing. And then
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: a few years later, he totally brought back the swing movement.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: He revived two dead music genres, and he's never on
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: the list of best 50 guitar players. That's amazing to me.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like he's so influential in the way he
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: affects the industry that but nobody really gives him credit
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: for it. No, because he.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Had ridiculous hair and eyeliner and tattoos at a time
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: when it wasn't as in vogue or whatever.
• 46:45
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  Speaker 6: He's a green cup kid in a dirty business.
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  Speaker 1: He repossesses cars. He's a repo man.
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  Speaker 1: It's a chase.
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  Speaker 6: The story of the ultimate repossession.
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  Speaker 1: Hi, my name's Jennifer Lawrence and you're listening.
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  Speaker 3: To Movie Meltdown. It's part of your problem, you know,
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  Speaker 3: you haven't seen enough movies. All of life's riddles are
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: answered in the movies. And now, on with the show.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: But anyway, yeah, so that was all the stuff that
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: I got really excited about. And then eventually I got
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: into theater and I realized that, you know, I'm pretty
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: good at being funny. I can do that pretty quick.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: I'd always had it, but everyone in my family is funny,
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: and all my friends are funny, so I never felt
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: like I was any different. It just felt like a
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: high-stakes game of who's fucking funny all the time.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: My dad's hilarious.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: My grandmother was hilarious. People were just funny.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: When you started doing it, did you feel like you
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: needed a structure to it, or did it become, I'm
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: just being me, I'm just telling stories?
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: Well, I didn't really, I just sort of spat and
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: yelled and made faces and did weird stuff, and I
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: tried to write jokes as, you know, I tried to
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: write like, Jokes the way Mitch Hedberg writes jokes, and
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: I just didn't know how to do that.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a very specific skill.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: And my mom just kept saying, just talk. My mom
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: would just say, you know like at dinner when you're funny?
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Just do that. And I go, that sounds a lot
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: easier than it is. But eventually, that's exactly what I do.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: I just tell a story like, okay, wait a second.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you something.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: Like, hang on.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: I got one. So my kids, right? So that's how
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: I approach my stand-up is like, oh, I'm going to
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: tell it. I'm going to share it with everybody like
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: we're just hanging out. And I want to genuinely make
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: you laugh, but I also want to tell you this
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: really interesting story. And then I just sort of leave that.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: And I never tell the story ever quite the same.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: I've never written any of it down. it's all just memorized.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: And sometimes people go, don't you remember you used to
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: say this? And I go, oh my God, that's a
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: fucking great joke. That's mine? Right. I used to put
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: that in the end.
• 52:37
  Speaker 5: I ain't going to word it that way again.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: You're right. I'm right.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Sometimes I do that. That's one of the
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: bad parts of it. But the other part of it
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: is I make new discoveries when I'm on stage every
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: night with a crowd. So I'm doing the basic same bit,
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: but then I'll find a whole brand new thing that
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: may only be there that one night in the club
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: and then it's gone. And to me, that's sort of
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: That's between me and Louisville. That's between me and Chicago.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: Like that was our moment together, you know, in this story.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: And I and I and maybe it'll be recorded. Maybe
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: it won't. But like the goal isn't to like. Make
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: something that's good and then. And then make it so
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: it gets me to another place where I don't have
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: to come to Louisville. My thing is to come here
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: and have experience with you and have you dig it.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: Keep having that interaction. Keep having that response. We're not
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: waiting for the special. This is the special.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Tonight is as good as I want it.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: Every performance is special.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: That's right. In a corny way of putting it. I
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: want this to be this. I want you to have said,
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: this is one of the five best comics I've ever seen.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be number one, but I want
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: you to go, I remember that guy. I remember him,
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: you know. I mean, the crowd at the show last
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: night will remember me because nobody really dug it, and
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: I shouted a lot. But that's also okay with me.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, again, that's part of the experience and
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: how it differs every time, if that's what you're going for.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: The only time I ever feel bad about shows like
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: that is when I cave and start digging for stuff
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: that I know works from before. But I don't do
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: that now. I'm just like, this is the hour. like
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: it or not but I have to I have to
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: grow I can't not grow and this isn't a greatest
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: hits tour and then because you you don't want to
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: see this stuff the next time I come around.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: I think that's and again it is that's why I
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: always try to see how people start out because I
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: think there are people that just start out that way.
• 54:35
  Speaker 5: And then their stand-ups in particular.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: Are they kind of come at it with a very
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: structured way they watch other people that do very specific
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: like these are set jokes I do it this way
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: But it's funny how many of them, if you look
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: at them 10, 15, 20 years down the road, it
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: becomes just them telling their stories.
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: So it's like there's this learning process.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: For a lot of them that are like, okay, I
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: have to do this format. I have to do it
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: like this. And then eventually they just get so comfortable
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: or so good at it that it just becomes, so yesterday.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: And all of a sudden, you're not doing a bit.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: You really are just telling a story about what happened yesterday.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: You're just making it funny because you're funny. You've gotten
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: to the point you're just funny enough.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: Eventually your personality wins. You can't uphold artifice for very long.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: And if you can, you're a psychopath. Eventually you stumble
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: into the best stage version of you there is. And
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: it comes out naturally. And I did all those things.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: I tried to be like Jake Johansson or I tried
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: to be like this guy or try to wear these clothes.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: I fooled around with it a lot. And then I
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: eventually just got too tired of trying to lift those
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: things and then you know and I was always funny
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: and then it just finally it evolves and then and
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: it's always evolving you think you're done you think oh
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: I'm like good at this and then you go oh
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: I don't like my act and then all of a
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: sudden it changes you know it just it's a constant
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: it's a constant thing I mean it is for all
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: artists I think that really challenge themselves to create new
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: art and don't really worry about the results and don't
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: worry about whether people like this part as much as
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: this part because once people are comparing you to you
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: you've already.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: Won Especially if you're in it for the long haul.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: If you're doing any type of art for, you know,
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: five years, you can just pin it down and you're done.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: But if you're doing it 20, 30 years, like you
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: can't keep doing that unless you find something new and
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: interesting to do. And it's, well, I was also wondering,
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: you did, you mentioned not trying to get to that
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: next level now at all. Like it's not, you're just
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: here for the show. Did you have a point? Cause
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: you kind of came right, you came into the scene
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: right at that point where everybody was like, okay, so
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: I got to get a sitcom. That early 90s became
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: just like stand-up's awesome, but it's really just a launching
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: pad for a movie career, sitcom, all these other things.
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: Did you come into it at that point thinking that
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: was going to be the next step?
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I had three development deals with NBC and
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: one with CBS and one with HBO. none of it
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: ever got made, but it was all.
• 57:10
  Speaker 5: A lot of comics had that.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: Right, right.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: And then I just end up on, you know, luckily
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: ended up on the staff of Sex and the City
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: as a consultant.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: And that changed my whole world. But yeah, that was
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: the goal because again, there were very few venues for comics.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: So it wasn't like now where you can, there are
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: guys that are basically just comedians. I mean, Kyle Kinane... Yeah.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: You know, he'll be in something every once in a while,
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: but he's not a TV star. He's a comedian.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of that is due to this
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: little push from the Internet that like there is a
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: comedy scene that is a standalone comedy scene. And the
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: comedy fans all kind of interact through the Internet. They
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: find the shows that are coming through. Like it is
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: a weird little thing that like I think if the
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: Internet weren't. so overpowering in our lives, I think the
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: comedy boom that's hit lately may not have happened.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: I agree with you.
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: It's all like a little fan base that only exists
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: in the internet and then occasionally they go out to shows.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: And the comedy community very smartly mimicked the music world
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: and said, look, let's have festivals. Yeah. Let's bring these
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: assholes here.
• 58:16
  Speaker 5: Bring them all together.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: Right. I just got it. And I hadn't gotten asked
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: to those things for a while because I was sort
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: of not, it was all for the young guys. It's
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: also like, It's Favorite Nation, so everybody gets a grand
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: to do five shows. You don't go for the money.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: But I just got asked to do Moon Tower, and
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: I'm so thrilled that my agents are like, the money's like,
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: I don't fucking care. And they're great. My agents have
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: been great.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: The status of doing something now.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: And go be with the community. Go be in the
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: community and go where those comedy fans are and say
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: to them, hey, guys, I don't know if you remember me.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: Most of you probably were 14 when my special came out.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: but I'm still doing this and maybe you'll dig it.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: And I hope you do. And that, that to me is,
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: you know, so many, like recently I've had a lot
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: of people who were babies and saw me on comedy
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: central come to shows and say, and I'm like, why
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: would you, that's so weird. I wouldn't, that's so weird
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: that you come, but I'm so thrilled that you, still
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: think i'm a person you'd want to listen to i
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: think it's still that's.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: Right at the point where you're forming your feelings on
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: comedy in general just not even stand-up just comedy like
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: how you process comedy so there are people that i
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: remember being like a teenager and thinking are amazing and
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: I still do. Like, even if their act is so
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: different or they don't do it anymore, I'm just like,
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: I can kind of see, like, yeah, that was what
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: brought me to, you know, the stuff I'm into now.
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: I had a girl that I'm like, I wanted to
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: shout out Cadbury Egg. And I was like, which is
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: a bit that I do. And I said, well, you
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: should have. I'd have done it. I mean, I would
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: have been thrilled. You know what I mean? And then
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: she goes, but my boyfriend said, which was very wise.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: He's like, he's doing his new stuff, man. He doesn't
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: want to do. And he didn't know anything about me
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: until the night before when she showed him clips on
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: YouTube to get him to come. And so he already
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: in his head was like, well, he's clearly working on
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: new stuff. And she's like, I know I just won't
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: do it. Don't yell it out. That's heckling. It wouldn't
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: be heckling if I yelled that a bit. And I said, no,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: it would be complimentary. But it was smart of you
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: not to. And your boyfriend has really good instincts. And
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: that's really cool. but at the same time thrilled that
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: you want to hear a bit. And I would have
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: stopped the show and fucking done it because I am
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: a puppet. And also my ego would have been so stoked.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: I would have been, Oh, you want to hear Cadbury egg?
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: All right, hang on just a minute.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: You know my bit because it's that good.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: It's that good. I know. And you know, so I,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: to me it's like, it's kind of an exciting time
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: because I do feel like, um, I, there's a little
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: bit of rediscovery for me. Um, I'm rediscovering it and
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: people are rediscovering me and, Um, there's a little bit
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: of empathy cause I got sick this summer and had
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: cancer and then now I'm cancer free, but it was
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: a weird rough time. But I think it also just went,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: you know, when you almost lose somebody, then you think,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: Oh fuck, I should go see that guy again. He
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: might get cancer again. You don't know. But also that
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: thing of like there, they appreciate you. They realize they
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: appreciate you.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: Well, I would think, and I guess tell me if
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: that's true, it also has to have the opposite effect
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: for you. You're like, Oh, I almost lost everything. Now,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: what is it that I love the most? My family,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: my comedy. I would think for you it would be
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: renewed like maybe you were bored to hell with it
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: five years ago, but now it's like, oh my God,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: this is the greatest thing ever.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: When I went to Australia, so I was in Australia
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: on tour when I was diagnosed because I had these
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: horrible stomach pains and I went to the emergency and
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: they said, you have tumors in your stomach. But I
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: was doing a show called I Am The King Sweater,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: which was a one-man show that I wrote about because
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: I was so burned out on stand-up that I didn't
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: have any new material. I wrote about two years of
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: my life that didn't happen. It's about two years I
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: spent in Japan as a rockabilly star and a cosmetics icon.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: It's a really absurd, really funny, really cool thing, but
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: it wasn't true. But it was based on some truths,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: but mostly fiction, and I really liked it, but I
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: was just so burned out on my stand-up, and so
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: it was written because I had this tour coming up
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: in Australia, and... It was cool, but people didn't completely
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: connect with it because they were like, is this true?
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: Is this not true? It's weird.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: It does make it confusing sometimes when.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: People have a persona. Yeah, maybe you should just make
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: this a movie. It's a cool idea. Anyway, point being
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: that when I went home and I was sick, I
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: started thinking, man, I have this gift. You know, not
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: everybody gets, you know, everybody gets bestowed a certain handful
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: of things, and this is this thing that I can do.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: I'm just going to go do that. I'm just going
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: to make it simple again. I've complicated it too much.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: And I'm not going to worry about whether the topics
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: are interesting to everybody else. And I'll make some discoveries
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: along the way, but I'm lucky that I get to
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: do this. And I said to my agents, I go,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be, you know, according to the doctors,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: I should be well by November. Just, I don't care
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: where it is. I don't care how much they pay.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: As long as I can get there and get back
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: and walk home with a little bit of money in
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: my pocket, I will go anywhere. And they just started
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: throwing clubs at me. You know, they were, it's been great.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: And so, Like here was like, I didn't, you know,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: I didn't know there was a laughing Derby. I didn't,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: I didn't know.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: That building's been there for years. It's been through a
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: change in name recently, but yeah, it's been around forever.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: They didn't always get high end acts. Like there was
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: a lot of, and for years I didn't pay attention
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: to it because it was, it brought in some pretty
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: bad comedy. No offense. Back in the day.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: But it is funny that like, there are these little
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: places that are, that one's June just been hanging on,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: but I feel like there's so many little towns out
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: there in the middle of the country that all of
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: a sudden in these last five, six years had this
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: pocket of comedy fans.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: They're springing up and they're, they're kind of gaining popularity
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: and like it's, it's now making sense for, you know,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: guys like you to go and hit some of these
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: little towns that like, Again, would have been a joke
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: years ago, but now all of a sudden it's got
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: a hardcore fan base that's kind of waiting.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: And I only think people would stay away because they thought, no,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: they might not like me there. I don't know. You
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like that thing where now you're right.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter where you go in America, whether it's
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: the deep, deep south or Alaska, there's comedy fans that
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: are there. that love comedy. And so they'll, you're right.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: They'll come out cause they go, well, that guy was
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: on TV and that's the best we got here. So
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go see it. Sometimes that's, you know,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: it's a, you know, it's not John Mulaney, but it'll do. And, uh,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: and so I feel like, you know, that, that is a,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: that is a plus to the internet thing we were
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: talking about before, you know, building communities out of communities
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: that weren't there before. People didn't know that they could
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: rally around or having access to more comedy.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: Comedy around the world, you know?
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, going into some of the different things you've done,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: you mentioned Sex and the City. Had you done writing before?
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, outside of your own jokes, it's like, had
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: you done?
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: Not really. I was working on a movie script with
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: a buddy, but it was very amateurish. And Michael Patrick
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: King was the executive producer. We had done comedy together.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: And he just said, I think you'd be a great fit.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: we need a guy straight guy, but it was also,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: you know, sensitive to women, but is also a very
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: much a dude. And, um, and it was just great.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: It was just a killer job. You know, I just
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: would come in, you know, it was just a consultant.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: So I just come in once or twice a week and,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: and they would ask me questions and, you know, what
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: was my take on this or that? And then, you know,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: they'd run stuff by me and, or I'd be in on,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: you know, in an overall conversation about soulmates.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: Or, How much did you respond to the finished product? Well,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: you know, I was so hit and miss in watching.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's like the people that love that
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: show love it. And then if you don't, there's not
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: much middle ground. It's either like, I don't get this.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: It doesn't speak to me at all, which maybe it
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: may be more of a female-male thing, but I don't
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: think it needs to be. I think it's more of
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: the style of it was just sort of like all
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: in or I don't know if that show works for me.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: I feel that way about girls. I feel that way about...
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, I feel that way a little bit about
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: Game of Thrones, too. Like, there's just that thing of, like.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: It's all or nothing, yeah.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you kind of got to buy into the idea
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: or not. I sort of, like, watched the first season, like,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: with one eye open. Like, oh, okay. Yeah, that may
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: be it for me. And then I got there, and
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: then you're inside of it. Yeah. And then you see
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: what they're doing, and you think, that's just really pretty smart.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: You know, they've used the sex angle to sort of
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: titillate you and get you in there but it's all
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: about relationships and yeah and some of it's absurd but
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: they're all you know all four women are archetypes and
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: it's four female friends that have each other's backs and
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: it's you know if you read any camille palia this
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: article she wrote today the other day about the um
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: girl squads yeah saying you know girl squads are a
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: good idea but not as a social platform. It's great
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: that women have each other's backs. Men have been doing
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: this for years, like an old boys club. There should
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: be an old girls club, but it should be focused
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: towards doing things. But she even mentions in the article,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: Sex and the City was sort of the beginning of,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: and you see it in Pretty Little Liars, which I
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: didn't realize until my daughter started watching it, that I
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: just got sucked in and I love it. Um, same
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: idea for girls. They, even with boyfriends and stuff, they're
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: still the most important, especially for women. It's good stuff.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: I think it was good for women in a weird way.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: Do I think some of the, like the puns around
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: the breakfast table couldn't, didn't love it. Didn't love it.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: It was never my favorite thing.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: Did you see your changes going into effect?
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I mean, they just,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: my point of view, you know, like they were very,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: they took me very seriously and then they would go, Oh, that's,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: you know, And then that's, of course, where the whole
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: he's just not that into you thing came was just
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: a real conversation about a real girl at work who
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: was not getting laid by this guy she was going
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: out with. He wouldn't have sex with her. And then
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: she was like, is that bad? And I was like, yeah,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: it's horrible. And, you know, and then at some point
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: I said, he's just not that into you. And my
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: Liz Pachillo, who was my partner, was the one who
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: really grabbed the phrase. I don't remember saying it, to
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: be honest with you. I mean, I do, but I don't.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: I didn't say it.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: Like a light didn't go off.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: At all.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: Wait a minute.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: No, at all. It was just like... He's not that
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: into you. If he was into you, he would have
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: sex with you. I'm telling you as a guy, that's
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: how it works. He either likes other... Anyway, the point is...
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: So then that became a... But that had happened with
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: other conversations. And sometimes, you know, the post-it note thing
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: was somebody else... Everything in the show was from people's lives.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: It was very much extracted out of people's lives. So,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: which I think all writing is. And so I think it, well, no,
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: I don't, I don't think anyone has ever been an X-Man,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: but you know what I'm saying?
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: You say that. I left my costume in the car.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: Hold on. But it's so true. So it is a
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: little bit of like, it is a little bit of a, yeah,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: I had, it was like, it was a cool thing.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: You know, I ended up liking it, but I, Then
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: I moved on. Like, I'm a horrible, like, if you're
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: a fan and you come up and talk to me
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: about the show, I don't remember what you're talking about.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: You don't remember episode 77 or all these other things.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I can't remember. A lot of times I
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: can't remember, you know, like, what episode something was or,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: you know, people will ask me. I can't even remember
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: their names sometimes.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: Well, and then you kind of hit that, Eric, going
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: from that into your book. And then you had, like,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: shows that they were trying. You kind of became almost self-help.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: Whether you wanted to be or not. You obviously wanted
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: to in the book.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: I absolutely... I mean, none of us thought that what
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: happened was going to happen.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: None of us saw it coming. Liz will say that
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: she knew it was going to happen. The girl was
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: a co-author because she really thought it was good information.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: But I didn't even want to write the book. But
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: I did. And then I was pleased that I did.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: But then after Oprah... It was like being anointed something.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: You don't go on there to just have a chat.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: You go on there to be anointed. I mean, she
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: spent an hour with us. People are like, oh, you
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: were in her book club. No, no, no, no, no.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: Book club's at the end of the show. We were
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: on the show as an expert telling people about their relationships.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: And everybody just went, oh, shit, this is great. This
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: guy's hilarious. And he's telling women that their lives are
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: horrible and he has no problem doing it.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: That's kind of a jerky way to look at it. Yeah.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: And he's relatively okay looking. I don't know what those
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: earrings are about or that Brian Setzer haircut, but we
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: can work with that. Let's give him a show. So,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, there was, you know, everybody thought, okay. And
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: I always tell people this. As soon as I got
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: upstairs after the first Oprah, my first thought was, because
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: it just Everybody, before it even aired, everyone was like,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: that was out of the ballpark, dude. And something happened.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: And I could feel it when we were doing it.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: I was like, this is so wild. But then I
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: went upstairs to my hotel room with my wife and
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: I go, what did I just do to my stand-up career?
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: And it did really kind of change it because I
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: didn't have a Twitter feed or a Facebook page or
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: a blog or anything to address... hey, I do this,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: but I still do this, and I'm also this. You know,
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: Aziz wrote a relationship book, and then he does a TV,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: you know, you know, you know, Donald Glover is Childish Gambino, and, right, like,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: you can be so many things now, and people can
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: take you in whatever parcel they like.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: Just starting to be, you know, like, in these last
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: 10 years, like, I don't think, like, going back, like,
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: people didn't do that in the industry, in any industry, rarely, like,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: It was a fight.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 5: I mean, when you think back when, like, actors would
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 5: try to put out an.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: Album, people would laugh at it.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 5: Go back to, like, the Eddie Murphy album.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: Like, people thought it was a joke.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, fuck, yeah, dude.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: And, like, that's not that long ago. But you look at, like,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: that 2000s era changed everything. And, like, now people, not
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: only can you do anything. you kind of have to
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: do more than.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: One thing to survive. You kind of have to. I mean,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: you kind of have to. I mean, you look at somebody,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: and I think, you know, now that I look back
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: and I look at somebody like Patton who came to L.A.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: and set himself up as a writer and wanted to
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: be a comedian and got a job as an actor and, like,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: he was constantly in and out of those things. And
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: I think I just got so white hot before my
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: stand-up star had risen at all. that that's what people.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: Knew me as sidetracked what you were trying to do.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And in a very myopic way, it was like,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: once that was over, people were done with me. And,
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: and that is the reality of show business. And it's
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: the reality of the world. And I don't, I, you know, I, I,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: I have regrets, not about it happening about the way
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: I handled it. You know, I also got very depressed
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: afterwards because I didn't know what to do. I didn't
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: know how to change the game. And, When I'd go
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: do stand-up, it would just be rooms full of women
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: that were coming to hear about the book. And stand-up
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: people had abandoned me. Yeah, that's a totally different thing.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: And so it was just this weird thing. And so
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: I'm just now building that stuff back up again. I'm
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: not asking anyone to feel sorry for me at all.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you know, you're on this path and
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: then you get this other thing. And I didn't know
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: how to turn it down because once everything happened, like,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: I was only going to get a talk show or nothing.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: But nobody was going to give me, you know, so
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: I was like, well, maybe I can make something cool
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: out of the talk show or maybe it can be
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: a horrible nightmare. Either way, I'll do it.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: And, uh, try that kind of stuff.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: Of course you do.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: When it's presented to you, it's like, you may never
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: see this opportunity again. I don't know. I think that's,
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: what's kind of cool about your career is each time
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: you're like, this isn't my thing, but I'm going to
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: make it work. It's like, kind of like when they
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: made the movie out of your book, it's like, Hearing
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: you talk about the movie, like, that's not my movie.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: I wrote this book. It's nice that they made a movie, but, like,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know. That response to it I always thought
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: was really cool.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean, it was, you know, again, I
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: also felt like at the time I got this giant
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: gift box for saying this thing. I had a hit
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: book and four things on Oprah, and they're going to
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: make a movie out of it? And they said, you
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: and Liz can have a shot at the script. So
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: we wrote a script and they threw it out. And
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: that's the way it goes. And I was like ambivalent
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: about it. I was like, fuck, make a cowboy movie.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: I don't give a shit.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: They still paid me to write the script, right? That's right.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: They paid me and my name's on the thing and
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: it's story by and based on a book by and whatever, blah, blah.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: And then they wrote a movie that I was fine with.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: I didn't, it wasn't, it didn't, it completely nullifies the
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: book at the end. It completely goes against everything we've
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: said for the whole time.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: The Hollywood happy ending still has to win.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: That's right. Well, because their version of a happy ending
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: was somebody being together with somebody. Yeah, that's the traditional way.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: And what they could have done in just like three
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: or four words is have her say to Justin Long
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: at the end of the movie, this is great, but
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: it's horse shit. Come back and do this for the
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: next 50 days and maybe I'll go on a date
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: with you. You know? And then shut the door and
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: have that, like, I'm in control. I won the thing.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: I make the decisions about my self-esteem. I don't turn
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: it over to a dude. That being said, who gives
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: a fuck? They made a movie. Some of the people
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: in that movie are legends. They're going to grow up
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: to be legends, right? Scarlett Johansson, Ben Affleck, Bradley Cooper.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 5: And they're in a movie you wrote, in quotation marks.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, based on a thing. Like, Jennifer Aniston, you know...
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: So it was cool and fun. And there wasn't even
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: any blowback because it was a self-help book. There wasn't
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: going to be any blowback.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: It's hard to blame anybody. It's when they made the
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: what to expect when you're expecting movie. I'm like, how
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: do you make that? Obviously, it's not the book.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: That's ridiculous.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: So it is. It's weird the things studios will try
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: just based on name recognition, which is, I'm sure, how
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: your movie came about. It was like, this is really popular.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: People like this title. Let's make it a movie. Like,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: you know, it's just them marketing for the sake of marketing,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: you know?
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: And I don't know that the book, if it came
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: out now, would hit like it did. And I don't
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: know that there would be a movie. I think we
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: went on Oprah the week after she gave away all
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: the cars. Her viewership couldn't have been higher. It was
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: just so many events came together. And I don't regret
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: a word of it. And I don't regret the fact
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: that there are women who were in really shitty jobs.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: you know, even verging on or actually abusive relationships who
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: read that book and got themselves out of a mess. Like,
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: to me, it's like, you know, that was the overall
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: goal in the first place.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: If it's positive, it's positive.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Certainly there were people that hated the book. I
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: think what made them upset was I didn't care. You know,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: they would go, I don't like your book. I'm like,
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: I don't care. I'm in a band. Like, I... don't
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: like it.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: Six other things I'm doing.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: That's one of them.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: Don't like it.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's the book says it's my opinion. It's not,
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: it's not doctrine. I didn't, you know what I mean?
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: This isn't being put, this isn't being enacted into law.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: You know, it's just, uh, it's just my feelings about, um,
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: how you, how you maintain your self esteem and do
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: what's right for you. Um, and, and so it was cool.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, it was an adventure and I'm, uh, and
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: I was excited to have it and I'm glad it's over.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: You know, kind of. I mean, we still write books,
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: but we do it.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: It gives you a chance to escape from all that
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: and go into a new direction, which you're kind of
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: doing with stand-up.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: Well, and I always liked this. Like, once I found
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: stand-up and was doing it, like, even though music was
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: my favorite thing, I think it was my favorite thing
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: because I didn't do it for a living. and I
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: could just do whatever. Like if I made music, I
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: could make music that was complete.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: It was an escape, which is what that kind of
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: stuff is.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: It didn't have to be commercial and I didn't have
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: to make a living with it and I didn't have
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: to hang my daughter's future on it. But comedy is
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: something that does both things. It helps pay my bills
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: and then it also fulfills a thing for me. And and, uh,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: and I, I always was really comfortable with that. I
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: always liked that and I love it now, you know?
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: And are you looking to continue movies if that's an option?
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess it's always, once again, if it
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: presents itself.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, the second book went into development for a
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: film and nothing ever happened. And then, um, Um, but,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: but as far as writing goes, I have a writing
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: partner that I met earlier last or I bet last
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: year actually. And we're working to, we're trying to write
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: a series. So we're trying to get something on one
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: of the, I don't know, YouTube. Who knows? I don't care.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: Anyone will give us some money. Yeah. I mean, it's
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: a very, very specific.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: Um, avenue. You can get it out there now. If
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: it works, it works.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, and I think there's more opportunities. So we've
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: written a very, very specific script about a very specific topic,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: which is feminism. So it's not going to be for everybody,
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: but it's an area that hasn't been explored. The idea
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: is it's about an all-female Huffington Post, like a very strident,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: sort of almost 90s, a little bit lost in their dogma, feminists.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: who get purchased by a larger conglomerate, and they try
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: and scrub the wool off them. And so it's a
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: workplace comedy.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: That's a lot to deal with.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: It's a workplace comedy with women, all women, feminist women,
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: trying to define what feminism is, which is that great
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: conversation that we're all having now because of Taylor Swift
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: and Camille Paglia and the Bikini Girls are still around.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? And there's so many feminists around,
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: and there's so many different ideas about what it means.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: And then men say they're feminists, and then women get upset,
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: and then you're like... It's really just a very simple concept.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: It's just equality. Do you believe in equality for women?
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: I do. Cross the board. Let them have it. In fact,
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: they can have some of the sports. Have all of them.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: I don't care. Let them have MMA. I don't care.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: I just think they are deserved and owed the right
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: to be equals, period. Then that's the end of the
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: conversation for me. It's such a huge.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: topic with so many different avenues because it's so much
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: stuff that's just been ignored for generations.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: Exactly. But also people use it as an agenda or
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: a brand.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: That 70s version became a brand that I think still
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: has a stigma that guys don't want to... It's such
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: a thing that guys don't want to be associated with usually.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: Because it's got that weird 70s brand to it where
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: I think the modern version of feminism is very different.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: And it's something that everybody should be on board with,
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: not just women. But, yeah, trying to convince everyone of
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: that is a different story.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: Right. And I think... But then there's those things where
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: it goes... You know, like, suddenly someone told me the
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: other day that, like, friend zone is, like, now considered
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: an offensive... Oh, God. An offensive thing because getting out
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: of the friend zone means that why can't we just
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: be friends? It's like... Because... The concept of friend zone
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: is I have a crush on you and I don't
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: want to just be your friend. Everyone goes through that.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: Don't fucking politicize something that it's just so funny and
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: cute and like real and real. People get shoved into
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: the friend zone and they don't want to be.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: And it ruins your relationship.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: But I don't think it doesn't lead to rape.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: Like it's that thing of like they draw these conclusions
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: of like, well, that's just somebody setting a boundary. What
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: the fuck? I know it's somebody setting a boundary. And
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: usually that boundary isn't crossed. That's why the person's aware
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: that they're a friend. We get so, that's one of
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: the things that's, again, bad about the internet is this
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: hyper-awareness and this breaking down of things that are mostly meaningless.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: And I think we send such mixed messages. Again, in
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: the news feed, we have nothing but people ranting about
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: this ultra-progressive version. But then when you watch, every romantic
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: comedy is about somebody stuck in the friend zone. And
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: the ideal version of it coming together as a happy
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: ending is they decide they don't just want to be friends.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: So it's like we have this really romanticized Hollywood version of,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: you know, this stuff. And then we're trying to make
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: these social changes that are completely opposite. But we want
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: to hold on to this old version as well. Like,
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: it's really weird.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: Well, because one of them is the desire to maintain
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: the idea of hope. Yeah. You know, people love to
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: cling on to hope and everybody likes to think that
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: the team's going to come from behind and that the
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: guy's going to get the girl and, you know, that
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: they're going to save, they're going to blow up the
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: Death Star. Like, everybody wants, we all know what we're
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: going into. 90% of the time when we go to
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: a movie, we all know what we're going into.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: We want Damon to come home. Come home, Matt Damon. Oh,
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: my God. Science the shit out of it. But we
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: want that. We want to be told that things can
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: work out. It doesn't necessarily mean that because that guy
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: got that girl that that's what you want. You just
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: want to know that life can be fair or that
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: something good could happen to you or something could change
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: or that change is possible. That's all that is. The
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: other thing is if I delude myself, then I'm fucked.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: So here's the reality of what you're saying. And you're like, okay, pragmatist,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: I get it. But at the same time now you've
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: taken all the fun out of everything and also overthought
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: it to the point of making it politicized. And also
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: now you're hitting me with an agenda that now I
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: have to behave in a certain way per your prescription. Yeah.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: And I don't want to.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: Well, and it's all so complicated. Like there's so many
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: little weird dynamics that go involved into all of this.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: and yet you can't set one standard, like, okay, this
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: is it. We're stamping this is how things go when
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: there's all these other, especially when emotions are involved in it.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: It's like you can't set a rule and then turn
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: off your emotions because of it.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: Our whole thing starts with, in our pilot, at least
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: right now, it starts with comedians and rape jokes because
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: that was the big thing, even though we acknowledge that
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: the topic is from 2012. Yeah. But that idea of like,
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: you're never going to settle this conversation, by the way.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: You can keep having it. But the fact of the
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: matter is that you don't ever want to censor anybody's
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: comedy because you don't know where they're coming from. And
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: at the same time, you as a fucking comedian have
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: to decide whether those are the words you want to use.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: And now, just know, you don't have to behave accordingly,
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: just know that some people are hurt. That's all. It's
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: like when somebody finally said, you know, we don't like tranny.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: Fair enough. I don't need to say tranny if that
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: hurts your feelings. Transgender is fantastic. That's fine. I'm not
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: going to hang on to that. I don't feel censored.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: I feel sensitive. So there's times where I go, I
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: don't want to hurt your feelings.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: Because that's the thing. Sometimes it's not about changing everything.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: It's just readjusting the way that you look at it
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: or the way that you present it to other people.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: A lot of that stuff, I feel like we get
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: so specific about like sometimes just terminology when it's like
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: if you're still telling the story you want to tell,
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: you're not changing anything except that one word. You know,
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: it's like.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: It was that same thing like Seinfeld got into trouble
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: with that, like trying to tell the same gay jokes
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: he was in the 90s now. And I'm like, that's
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: a whole different world. And I'm like, it's not that
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: you can't tell jokes about that kind of stuff. you
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: just have to do it in a more sensitive manner.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: Like you have to approach it from a more open-minded viewpoint.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: And he was still trying to like stand on that
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: rock of like, nope, I want to say the same
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: things I said when I was on TV.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 5: And that was one of those I felt.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: Like he was just so, he was showing what an
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: old man he had become. It's like he does not
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: want to.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: The world changes underneath your feet and you have to
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: catch up. And if I look back at myself as
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: a young, young, young man, I'm like, well, I was
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: homophobic and racist and, As a liberal.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: It was a.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: Very different world.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: Because I didn't have a greater understanding, and I thought
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: mimicking gay people was funny, and I had the idea
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: that gay sex would be a punchline, even though I
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: was okay with gay sex.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: It literally was.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: But I knew I could get a laugh.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: 80s and 90s, it was. That was the joke you
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: were telling a lot of times.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you learn, and then you go, wait,
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: this is hurtful. Not going to do it anymore. I
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: don't want to hurt people. I'm not divisive. And I'm
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: not so fucking stupid that I'm like, don't you censor me.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: It's like you're saying something to me because you think
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: maybe I need to know. I'm going to stick with
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: friend zone.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: Well, again, it's not like you can't tell those jokes.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: You can. Just find a better way to do it.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: It's like lazy comics. The joke is me saying this
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: offensive word.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 5: No, it might be for you.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: For a better comic, the joke is finding what's funny
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: in the situation and finding a better way to deliver
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: it to people.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah. That's right. And I'm still evolving, and
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: I think so many people are still evolving as comics,
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: but because, you know, but then there's things that, you know.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: Social justice warrior. That's a word used by the right
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: to diminish. Oh, fucking shut up.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: Sometimes these are just buzzwords.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: They're just buzzwords.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: I'm just sick of them for the sake of being
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: sick of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: People are just silly. So it's fun sometimes just to
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: make fun of that stuff. That's why we wanted to
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: do this show. We wanted to talk about all of
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: those things in the context of women, and we want
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: to be able to make fun of it, but also
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: put some understanding to it so that you could sort
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: of see where it's coming from and decide what are
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: the fights worth fighting, which ones aren't, and how is,
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: what is the evolution of this? Because it, to me,
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: that's an interesting world. And, and also I watch it
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: on my Twitter feed and I laugh, you know, but
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: then I also have to go, well, but Taylor Swift
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: is actually considered a feminist. So that's the world we're
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: living in. So And then Camille Paglia sort of makes
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: sense of it. And I go, OK, I get that.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: But Camille Paglia is also a little crazy. But anyway,
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: it's it's they're definitely interesting times, you know.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: And amazing strides have been made. You look at things
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: that Taylor Swift does now and I'm like, she is
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: commanding this multimillion dollar career completely herself. doing whatever the
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: hell she wants to do it's like it it is
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: feminism like it is it's not yeah it's not you
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: may have questions about choices she makes but those are
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: choices she's making which again she couldn't have done generations
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: ago so it's it's amazing to see the point that
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: we've gotten in in just you know society in general
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: it's far from perfect but looking at some of the
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: the impressive things that have happened in just this last
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: couple of decades it's it's impressive and It does give
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: me hope. Back to the having hope thing. It gives
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: me hope for the future and for kids. I feel
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: hopeful too.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: And I think we'll get through this stage because there
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: was that dust up the other day with Jared Leto.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: Did you see the thing? He's had a few lately.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: Which one? They had some footage of him in the
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: studio where they were listening to Taylor Swift. I think
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: somebody was suggesting that something sound like a Taylor Swift
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: song on his record. They wouldn't do something like Taylor Swift.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: And he was talking about her and he was like.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 5: That should be considered a good thing. She has nothing
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 5: but hits.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: Well, exactly. I think that's why they were listening to
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: the record. And then, you know, but I think what
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: happened was something along the lines of like, he said
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: something cool about her, but then his reaction was, oh, fuck,
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: fuck Taylor Swift. Let's just fucking, you know what I mean?
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: He wasn't saying fuck Taylor Swift. He was like, let's
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: get back to work. I don't want to, I'm tired
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: of being worried about whether we're making a Taylor Swift record.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: Then he had to apologize to Taylor Swift. And all
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: of this stuff he had to do in mea culpa.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: And I would almost go, you know what? If you're
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: not smart enough to figure out what's going on in
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: that tape, then fuck you.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: You can send her a personal message and be like,
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: I wasn't talking about you. Everybody else can go fuck themselves.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: The entire social media that blows things out of proportion.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't owe any of you an apology.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: I didn't say anything about you. I didn't say anything
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: to you. It's just gotten blown out of proportion.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: But I think he's like, I can't afford... Well, he
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: can afford anything. But that thing of like, right. But
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: obviously a publicist is like, all those Taylor Swift fans
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: you're going to lose. You're going to alienate. That's a
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: nation of people. And I would just say, no. You
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: know what?
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: That's not what I was talking about.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, it would be great if somebody said, look,
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: I'm going to just be the guy that says this.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: Just like Scott Weiland's wife said, I'm going to be
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: the lady that says this is just a pathetic death
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: of a guy who was not a good father. Jesus.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: Sometimes you go with the facts. And so the same
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: thing you go, you know I didn't mean that about
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: Taylor Swift. Watch the fucking tape and figure it out yourself.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: And everybody grow the fuck up and stop acting like
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: a bunch of school kids. I'm not going to give
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: you an apology because no one needs one. No one
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: needs one. Watch the tape again. Really break it down
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: and figure it out yourself.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: Social media is the schoolyard and everyone is about as
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: mature as children.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: It's just so true. It's so true, but we've learned,
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: you know, with, I mean, I don't want to go
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: too deep down the political spectrum, but, you know, Trump
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: has figured out how to just tweet while he's talking.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: He just speaks in tweets and everybody responds to them
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: because they're like, well, that's as much information as I
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: can take is about as much as a tweet. It's like,
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: that's right. Just do not let the brown ones in.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: That's a tweet. That's 140, you know, and it's just
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: this weird hate speech, you know, anyway. but the point
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: is like it, it, it has, it's created some bad,
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: you know, some bad things. And then there's, you know,
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: it's got a terrific upside as well.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: You know? I mean, yeah, it is a mixed bag
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: and putting it really simply, but there are some great
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: things that come out of it.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: I met this couple the other night who came to
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: the show and they were young and married. And, uh,
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: The girl was a big fan. She was like a
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: girl that watched me when she was 14 or whatever.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: And so she brought her boyfriend, like a couple I
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: was talking about earlier. And I said, well, hit me
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: up on Twitter. They said, we're not on the internet.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: We don't have, when we got married, we got rid
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: of all of our social platforms.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: We got rid of Twitter.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 4: They're going vinyl.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: They're going retro on us. Yeah.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: I said, really? She goes, no. She goes, I'll start
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: a profile. So if you want to, because I said
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: to you, next time you want to come, I'll get
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: you tickets. And she said, but I, and I'll send
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: you the pictures, but I'm not going to be on it.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: It won't be a thing. And I was like fascinated
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: with that. And I'm like, that's probably the next wave.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: Well, there's a whole wave of people going back to
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: flip phones. You know, it's like, it is like a weird,
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: there's a lot, it kind of hits that breaking point
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: for a lot of people. And they're just like, this
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: is too much. It's too much bullshit. Like, I just
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: want to simplify things.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 5: I mean, I certainly get that.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, there's so useful in certain avenues,
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: but at the same time, I certainly get the annoyance factor.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I, I, my, my biggest, I would do a
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: flip phone if it wasn't for maps. Yeah.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: It's so useful. It really is.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: I just don't miss appointments because I get there. That's
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: the only thing. You could get rid of every app
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: on here and I wouldn't give a shit.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: I barely have any.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: Just keep Waze. I just want Waze and Uber in
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: case I don't have a car.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Especially traveling as much as you do. You have
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: to have those things. Again, the conveniences are there. It's
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: worth having as long as you can fight the evil
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: presence that also comes with it.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, totally. Totally.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: Well, to wrap up, we usually do our movie talk nonstop.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: So we veered off in many directions.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: We also do quite often. You referenced Matt Damon there earlier.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: I'm assuming you've seen that one. Have you seen any
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: other movies lately?
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: I actually haven't seen it. We were trying to go
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: one day with my daughters because we thought they'd love
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: it and we didn't get a chance to get to it. No,
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: I am lucky that my wife is in the Writer's Guild,
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: so I have a pile of screeners to come home to.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the time.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: So I'm excited. Load you up. Yeah, and stuff that
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: I missed, like I didn't get to see straight out
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: of Compton. The last thing that I saw was... Man,
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: it's been a while.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: Or anything re-watched lately.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: Well, I watch Repo Man at least once a month. Nice.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: And I watch... I watch a lot of rock documentaries.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to think there's so many things I want
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: to see. That's the thing is just driving me crazy.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: And then they come and go so fast. And it's like,
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: I followed the, the hunger game series. And then I,
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: the inspector came out and this stuff. And I just
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: couldn't get to everything. And I'm afraid it's going to
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: go before I.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing. You have such a window now,
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: like again, going back to the old days, like, six,
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: eight months, sometimes stuff would just sit in a theater.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: It would just sit there forever.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: It would just sit there. Like, you could go six
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: months later and see a new release, in quotes, because
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: that's how the world worked. But, like, you got two
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: weeks now. Two weeks. You might miss it. Maybe by
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: that second week, if it's not delivering, it's gone.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: Dollar Theater, we've already got a date for the DVD.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: What's the last thing you saw?
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: I did see Spectre. I did see Hunger Games. Was
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: that the last one? I think that was the last one.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: I saw the... My Hunger Games response was, did you
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: see the other one? The first part of this two-part?
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: We just need to wrap up this story.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 5: Like, it's not... It's good. It's well-made.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: There's a really effective scene midway in with... I won't
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: ruin it for people. But if you've seen it, you
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: know which one. They're sort of underground at that point.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: And that scene's really fucking good. But, like, the rest
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: of it, I'm like, it didn't do anything. And I
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: didn't read the books because, you know, reading... So, like,
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: I didn't really know the outcome. I didn't know, you know,
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: because it became a whole who's she going to end
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: up with kind of nonsense. Which, again, in a story
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: about a revolution is not the most important thing. But
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: I didn't even know how the, you know, the whole
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: battle end of it. To me, that was always the
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: most impressive part of that series. I've said it many
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: times on the show. I think the games part is
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: the weakest part because I've seen Battle Royale. So I'm like,
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: it's a joke compared to Battle Royale.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: So once you get to that second movie and the
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: games are already falling apart and we get to the
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: revolution part, that's way more interesting. I think the future
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: dystopian world that they built from the very first movie,
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: that's the best part of that movie.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: But the thing I liked about the first movie that
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: then didn't happen is I liked how much time alone
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: we spent with Katniss.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: I liked the girl power survival out in the woods.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: I liked the.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: I liked being alone with her as opposed to in
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: another action movie. I felt there was like... I just
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: thought they were neat. There was just the survivalist thing
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: of her. Like that journey, that scary journey of like,
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go and then I'm going to die.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: You know, she could die. She's by herself. And I
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: liked that in the book, too. I only read the
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: first one.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: I think that... I do. Cause we do spend a
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: lot of time with this character over four movies. We've
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: logged in a good amount of time with her. And
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: I feel like her character is pretty well developed watching the,
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: the first one was just on cable last night. And
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: I was kind of, I haven't rewatched it since maybe
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: that first time I saw it. And I'm like, it
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: is an interesting like character because we do log in
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: a lot of time with her. She is so strong.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: Even from the beginning, as you're watching her, like tell
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: her mother what needs to be done. Like she is
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: the heart and soul of that family and, And that
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: continues on as we get into this revolution. She takes
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: over the revolution, even when she doesn't want to. Even
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: when she doesn't care about their cause, she cares about people,
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 2: so she steps up because of that. more important so
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: she's always such a strong character which i think is
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: so amazing.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: And she's one of our best like i i was
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: i watched the trailer for joy this morning and i
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: was like i think she's gonna be our next stream
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: so fucking good and you just want to see what
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: she's in and she's got a a purpose and a
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: sexiness but she's also like an adult but then she's
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: also like a child like she's just awesome.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: Funniest thing you'll ever see and that's unscripted all you
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: have to do is watch her on a red carpet
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: and you'll you can't write the kind of things that
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: come out of her mouth yeah she's just great amazing.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: She's just great and i uh i i really really
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: like i just she is a she is a bona
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: fide movie star like i will not miss joy when
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: it comes out yeah I will go see that.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: It was one, like, she keeps making those movies with him. And, like,
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: so many, I don't think I knew this one was
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: coming out until I saw the trailer.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 5: I was like, when did they make another movie together?
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: That's what I kept thinking, too. I'm like, man, he
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: just is, he loves Bradley Cooper.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: He found his people.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: He found his people. He just keeps bringing them back.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: That's his thing. Like, he just found his people.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: He found his Leonardo.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna keep making movies with you.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: That's what I do. Yeah, and people seem to like it.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, when it's with, That cast, specifically her, like,
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: it can't go wrong, really.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: Like, every time. The whole gang. De Niro was in
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: the last one, too. That's his gang.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: It's like, none of them really, you know, dropped the
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: ball on these movies. And he had such a weird
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: dynamic as a director that I think he's once again
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: found this group of people that get what he's doing.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: I haven't heard any weird fighting scenarios now. He's found
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: himself as a director. He's found his people to work with. Yeah.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: He's in a groove now, and it's like, all right,
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: let him keep making movies.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: Because they're good. Yeah, I agree. I agree. I think
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: she's something else, man. Yeah, I really like, and I,
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: you know, Ben Stiller is an old friend, and so,
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: you know, I remember when he was in, what was
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: the thing he shot, was it Lily Tomlin?
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: Fuck, that's a good movie.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one that's totally forgotten.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: And that was one of his first movies. What is
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: that called? I was just thinking about it the other day. Oh, well.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: Because I haven't watched it in so long.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: If you're listening, just IMDb, Ben Stiller, David O. Russell.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: You'll find it.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: But it was such an early one for him. It's
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: like Three Kings is another one that nobody really talks
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: about as a signature kind of movie for him. It's
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: like he's moved in a different direction. Right. And now
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: it's more relationship between a couple kind of thing. Whereas
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: Three Kings was amazing.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: So it's like... I don't know.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: I think he, I think, I think he made I
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: Heart Huckabees. It was like his, he just got, was
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: lost somewhere.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: And I think, you know, I don't know what that was.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: I tried. And yeah, cause my friend John Bryan did
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: all the music for it and I love the music,
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: but boy, that was a hard slog.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: Flirting with disaster.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: Flirting with disaster is exactly what it's called.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: I was like, I know what's in there.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: Nailed it. I gotta dig for it. And that is
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: kind of in the, it's kind of like what he's
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: doing now. Like it's an ensemble cast. It's weird. It's
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: vaguely comedy. It's also dark. Ben is looking for his
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: birth parents and they turn out to be these fucked
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: up hippies. It's very good. And then the cop takes
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: acid and it's Richard Jenkins and he has a partner
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: and they're gay. It's just, it's really fucking good. And
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: Ben is that classic Ben Nebbish, you know, the guy
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: that you kind of love and hate. And oh God, Ben,
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: it's really good. Patricia Arquette. James Brolin.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: Again, yeah.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: Josh Brolin.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: Well, that's one of those I think you can watch.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: He is one of those directories you can find him
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: honing his skill along the way. It's like you watch
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: these first couple, and it's like all the parts are there.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: They're good. And then he just kind of hones it,
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: and like two, three movies later, it's like Oscar nominations.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: And Three Kings is what? It's Wahlberg, Clooney, and?
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: Ice Cube?
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: Is that right? I think. I think that's right.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: All three of those guys turned into stars. Yeah. Wahlberg
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: was not a star at that point, and Clooney was
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: a maybe, and Ice Cube was Ice Cube.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: He was already up and coming, but again, you already
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: get him. That was the big thing with that one
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: was him and Clooney going at it. So he had
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: these issues with everybody. Those first couple of them, I
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: don't remember much in floating with disaster, but definitely I
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: heard Huckabee's.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: Maybe he got on meds or got some help.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: Well, I think....
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: So Three Kings is like, if I'm thinking about it, that's...
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: gotta be Clooney's Redeemer from Batman.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 5: That was, like, right out of there.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: Like, pretty close after that.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: I think that was, like... I think it was the
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: point of Clooney going, I need to rethink this. Like,
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: it was one thing when I was up and coming
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 2: that I'm in Facts of Life, but, like, I'm a
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: celebrity now.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 5: I can make whatever I want. I don't have to
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 5: take this.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: Batman's got a huge paycheck to it, but, like, I
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: even watched that, like, I watched that movie. It's terrible,
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, I'm not blaming him, because... even in
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: his performance, you look at him and he looks at
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: the camera like, I don't know what I'm doing here either. Like,
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: it feels so, like, at least.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: In the right hands with the right director, he could
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: have been a fine Batman.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: And at the right age, he could have been a
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: fine Batman. That's so lost. He has all the properties
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: that Ben Affleck has. Oh, yeah. And... You know, none
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: of the weirdness. Christian Bale is just a strange dude.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: But an actor's actor's actor, right?
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He's talented.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh. He's just a strange dude. He's just
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: a strange dude. And I mean for real.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: Like a real strange person.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: And super method-y. And like he's got his thing that
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: he has to do. But it works when it works. Yeah.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: You know, it's like when it comes together, we all benefit.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: But it's a process that like I don't understand. And
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: most people probably don't understand. But yeah, I don't know.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: So I think... There's always good stuff coming out, so
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 2: anything you're looking forward to?
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: Everything that's coming. I mean, I'm looking forward to Star Wars. Obviously, yeah.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: I'm excited for the revisit, and I'm also a big J.J.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: Abrams fan. I'm looking forward to Joy. I'm looking forward
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: to Captain America Civil War.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: That trailer's awesome. That trailer looks amazing.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: And just the part where he goes, he's my friend,
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: and he goes, I was your friend. Oh, and then
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: he just starts beating up on the Iron Man.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: There's so much in that.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: I saw a trailer- I can't even remember what it was.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to go down that path because I
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: won't remember the name of it. There's a couple of
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: really good things. I think that, you know, I'll be
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: curious to see. I didn't know Tarzan was a thing
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: until this morning.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 5: They keep trying to bring it back.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: Every, what, seven, eight years, they do some sort of
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: weird reboot that never works usually.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: This one feels like it has the Marvel twist. Like,
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: they're trying to make it serious, but then Sam Jackson is, like,
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: yelling at Tarzan, and Tarzan's drinking a cup with his
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: finger pinky out. Like, There's, like, obviously they tried to
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: refine it.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: But it looks interesting. BFG? Yeah. Am I getting that right? No,
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: it's not BFG. That's Big Fucking Giant. The Steven Spielberg
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: thing of the Roald Dahl story.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. I have heard a little about it.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: It is BFG, Big Friendly Giant. It's about a kid
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: who makes friends with a giant, and then there's.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: Spielberg, I don't know. He's so different in the stuff
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 2: he does now versus years ago. It's always top-notch.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: Did you go to Bridges Spies?
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: I still haven't seen it. I haven't seen that either.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: It looks interesting, but everybody I know that's seen it,
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: it's slow. The spy stuff works. He still knows how
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: to shoot that stuff, but then it slows down and
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: goes to the drama later, and it's pretty slow.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: I want to see Spotlight.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 5: That's getting nothing but a lot of impressive talk.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: And we have the screener for the one about the financial... Yeah,
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: that looks.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: Again, performances.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 5: That looks like it's just nothing but amazing performances.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They say Christian Bale's out of hand in it.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: I can believe it.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: And they say that that guy Mark Rylance, who's in
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: Bridge of Spies, who plays the giant in the Spielberg thing,
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: is amazing in Bridge of Spies. So I want to see,
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot, but I've been, you know,
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: I've been fine with Jessica Jones.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: That was good. Again, I'm most of the way there
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: and I'm just like, and that's another one. Like I didn't,
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: I didn't know how that first series was going to go.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 2: Daredevil was amazing. Like, I'm just like, I wasn't really
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: familiar with Jessica Jones as a character. So I'm like,
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 2: this is weird that they're even making this. That's not a,
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, all of these are sort of B level
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: compared to like, you know, the bigger superstar names in Marvel,
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: but like, this is a pretty far down the list
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: to be sponsoring this whole big production. And then I
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: saw the casting just like a few weeks before and
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I know her. I've seen Kristen Ritter in
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 2: a ton of stuff. She's really fun. That's weird. Like
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: I did not know if she had that in her
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: and damn if she doesn't. She is so good in there.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: I think what they found was, you know, you do
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: the Green Lantern and you just don't have a story. No.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: But you do a story about a woman who, who
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: failed at being a superhero, even though she has powers,
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: became an alcoholic and a private eye, and is just
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: on the fringes doing shit work. Wow, that's a great start.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: That's why these... And then, like everything else in life,
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: there's a call to duty. And then you bring in
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: crazy Luke Kay. There's just so much... And then she
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: just embodies it, and it's well-produced, it's well-directed, it's well-acted,
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: it's very considered. And there's enough Marvel laughs, that thing
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: of murder, blood, ha-ha, sex. Yeah. They do this thing
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: that they do so well where it all feels like
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: they got the DNA of Robert Downey and put it
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: in every movie. It was like, he's serious and a
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: little bit funny and very cool, but he's also an actor.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: But they're human. They're all real human beings.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 2: Well, and they're so grounded. I think you're midway into
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: that first episode. and she still hasn't done anything except
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 2: be a private eye. This is a Marvel? It doesn't
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: feel like it's a cheesy superhero movie. It's a whole
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: other series. It's a whole other idea, and it's only
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 2: maybe once an episode she'll do something that is superhuman.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: But it's also... So you're watching this person who... is
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: still human more or less who just happens to have
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: these weird abilities. And they're having to deal with the
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 2: fact that they have these abilities and what, like what
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 2: a freak it makes them in our world where most
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: people don't. So it's like, you're really kind of humanizing
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: them so much in these, in Daredevil's the same way
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: of like, you're watching a story that for the most
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: part could just be a normal TV, you know, hour
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 2: long drama, uh, And they add this little tweak of
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: superhuman abilities, and it's like, it still feeds what it
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: needs to for the comic book geek, but it's so
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: well done. It's so well put together as just a drama.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 2: That's what makes it work so well.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: They don't even introduce the co-star of the show until
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: three episodes in. That is like, in old school pilot making,
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: he's in the second scene. You're like, what is she
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: talking about? It just takes forever to get to it,
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: and it's just so nice. And then when he shows up, Yeah.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: You've already met Jessica. You've spent time with her.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: You got it.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: You got her friends. You got her world. You got
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: her thing. And then this fucking, you know, and it's
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: played by David Tennant, who is so superb, who was
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: a doctor who, but also really good in Fright Night.
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: Fright Night?
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: I really liked him in Fright Night. He's very silly,
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 2: but like he makes that role, like in a role
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: I didn't think you could redo.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 5: He does something new with it.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 2: I'm like, that's awesome.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: That's what I go to for him. I was like,
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: I did not expect to like him in that, and
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 2: he's damn entertaining.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a good actor, that guy. He's a great actor.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: They kind of did that same move with Daredevil. I
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 2: think it's episode four before we bring in D'Onofrio. Like,
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: it's the very end of that one.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: You don't even get the suit until the end.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 2: No, it's the end before we see the suit, but
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: you don't even get the villain that is the overarching
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 2: villain of this whole series until, like, you just hear
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 2: him talk about him. Like, they build him.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: Up so much in those first several episodes that you're.
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: Like, he's got to be so amazing. And then he's
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 2: such a human character, too, that you're like, yeah, I
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 2: see that he's evil, but he's not a crazy, laughing, maniacal.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: Silly villain.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 2: He's a real slumlord that will hurt people because he
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 2: needs to. maybe he likes it, maybe he doesn't, but
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 2: if he needs to do it, he sure is all
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 2: gonna do it.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 2: And that's why he's such a good villain.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Everybody has conflict and definitely the villain in Jessica
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: Jones has conflict. You know what I mean? Like, you
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: get super deep into his psyche and then you're like, oh.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 2: You're like, yeah, he's messed up, but he's been messed
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: up since birth.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 5: Nothing helped him along the way.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And it's all, yeah, that's my favorite thing of
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: the season, of the year, is probably Jessica Jones. I'm
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: really like, Yeah, I really liked it.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 2: I was watching it this morning. I'm ready to go
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: back and finish it because I've got maybe two episodes left.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: So it's. Yeah, I consumed it really quickly. That's the
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: one cool thing about the road. But also, you're over
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: too fast. You're like, oh, why don't I have some
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: Jessica Jones?
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: That's kind of what I worried about. I looked at it,
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 2: and I was two-thirds of the way. I was like, oh, shit,
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: this is almost over.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: I ate the whole bag already. Oh, man, why did
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: I do that? I promised myself I was just going
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: to have a few, and then it's 5 o'clock in
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: the morning, and I've got to get up at 7,
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, my God. Maybe just one more. Yeah,
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: good stuff. Yeah, I mean, and that is, you know,
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: and Hulu, the same thing. Like, a show's on TV,
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: but the next night, I love The Grinder.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God, is The Grinder funny. Oh, my God,
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: is that show funny.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: There's too many new ones. Like, that, I've barely seen
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 2: any of because there's so many new things.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: The Grinder is so worth your time. It's so smart
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 1: and so funny and so weird. And Fred Savage is
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: off the chain. Yeah. He is so good. I mean,
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: Rob's great. Rob Lowe is what you come for.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 2: He's dependable at this point. You know?
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he is.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 2: You know comedically what he's going to deliver.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And this is just Rob Lowe on 10. It's
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: like him making fun of every trope that could have
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: ever been believed about him.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: It's like, It may have been true on some level.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: He said, he goes, this is everything everybody thinks I am,
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: which is not true, but here's, let me, but then
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: there always has to be a tiny bit of truth
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: in it, because how do you get it?
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 2: Because he did a lot of crazy stuff when he
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 2: was younger that, like, you don't look at him and
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 2: think that now.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 1: But it's so funny, he's not a one-dimensional, like, you
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: keep thinking, okay, he's going to be this one-dimensional... you know,
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: former TV star. Like, we've seen this trope before, but
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: it's not. He's sensitive and stupid and then brilliant and
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: then really thoughtful and then really... Like, he's just a
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: human being, but who's completely... It's just fucking delusional. It's
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: just great. And then Fred Savage couldn't be more grounded,
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: more real, more funny, and more like... They never do
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: something without... Like, you know like in a... When you're
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: watching a show and you go, that would never happen.
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: Characters say that. Like Rob Lowe will come in and
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: try a case and then somebody goes, you know, none
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: of this is real or legal. Like this is not legal.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: And then like everything you just said was great and
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: the point you made, but you're not a lawyer. So
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: none of this is like they never let something happen
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: without somebody else going that. Right. What you just said
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: is not actually true. Like Fred Savage says a lot.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: Not a real thing. Not a real thing. Actually, not
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: the truth. Actually, not the truth. And that makes it
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: so enjoyable because he's the audience going, you don't believe this.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: In a real sitcom, you'd believe this guy or you
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: would take him seriously. So it's super smart in that way.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: Like I said, the glut of bad television out there,
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: it is amazing how much good stuff is getting made now.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 2: Maybe not the traditional avenues anymore, but there's still, and
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 2: that's kind of that same thing. There's such a sea
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 2: of material out there that like, you're kind of overwhelmed
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 2: to find the good ones, so it's good to hear.
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: I think Fox is getting it. Fox is sort of,
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: they've got a whole, it's like they've got The Grinder,
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: but they've got Empire, but they've also got, they're like
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: their own Netflix.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're kind of operating outside the norms a little
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: more lately even than they used to.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: Right, they've got Gotham, and CW has some of that stuff,
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: but the other networks are still kind of stuck in, right,
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: but we've got to make it a procedural because there
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: has to be 22. Yeah. And Batman figured out how
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: to be a semi procedural with a huge over or Gotham,
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: rather a huge overarching story. That's pretty great because you
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: really have all of Bruce's youth until he becomes Batman.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: So I was amazed how much I like flash. I
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 2: didn't start watching it till like halfway into that first season.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't care about this. And then like
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 2: something I ended up watching when I'm like, these characters
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 2: are pretty well written. And then like, Sucked into that
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: first season and I'm like these are all really smart characters.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: They all like Play it sort of like again. It's
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 2: sort of legit like this is a ridiculous situation and
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 2: but I'm faced with it. How the hell do I
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 2: deal with it now? So it's like, we do have
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: a very real world approach to like these supernatural circumstances.
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: So it's worth watching. If people haven't checked it out,
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 2: I am going into this new season going, they found
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 2: a whole new way to up everything on this new one.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 2: So it's, it's one that hasn't gotten a ton of talk,
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: but like, it's really well written.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's the one key also to the
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: superhero movies is saying the thing the audience member is
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: going to say as though you're a person but you
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: just happen to be this.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 5: I think that was the Robert Downey Jr.
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 2: Thing.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 6: 100%.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 2: He nailed it in that first one and we're like,
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 2: oh shit, we kind of need to do this. He
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: approached everything like a real smart-ass human being. And so
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: everything that he's faced with, he's saying the stuff that
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 2: you smart-ass person in the audience are also thinking to yourself.
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 2: it's just actually represented on the screen.
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 2: Everybody kind of took a note from that.
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: We got to the human darkness with the Batman, but
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: he never questions the costume.
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: Where, at some point, you get a line on, dang,
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: there's bats. I mean, there's bats here. I don't, it's
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: sort of odd.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 2: I guess I need to wear this outfit. Why do
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 2: I have to talk like this?
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Yeah.
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 2: It seems a little odd.
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 4: I'm going to go ahead and.
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 2: No one's even in the room. Why am I still
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 2: talking like this?
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: I'm the, That just seems like it's going to hurt
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: after a while.
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 2: After a while, you'd think you'd at least see him
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 2: back in the bat cage throwing in some lozenges or
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 2: something and be like, oh, God, I've torn the hell
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 2: out of my voice.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 1: And I can't tell in the new one. It feels
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 1: like they're keeping the voice.
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 2: I guess.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, it would be okay if he had a
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 1: thing that changed your voice, like it was just like
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 1: a vocoder or something. Okay, well, he's just doing something
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: to mask his voice.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 2: That's the, again, the interesting little thing they did with
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 2: that on the flash.
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 5: He can vibrate his vocal cords.
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 2: So he sounds like that. And it's a reason like it's,
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 2: he has a way to do that, that it's not
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 2: ridiculous that he's just doing a silly voice. So, I mean,
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 2: it is one of those things you have to look at, like, okay,
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 2: if he's one of the most famous people in the
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 2: world outside of the suit, How do you cover up
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 2: who he is when he's inside the suit? I mean,
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: it is an issue, but I think they took it
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 2: a little too far with the Christian Bale one.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 2: The silly voice is just silly.
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: And also just the idea that Superman wears glasses like that.
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: That's always been silly. It's so weird. You look like somebody,
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: but I can't figure out who it is.
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 2: The guy that's on the cover of the newspaper.
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 1: You know the guy you spend an inordinate amount of
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: time talking about? Yeah. I'm not going to draw the conclusion, though.
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, it stumped me. But there's something about you.
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 1: And that's the great thing about the Iron Man thing,
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: where it's just like, no, I'm Iron Man.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 2: Again, that was why that movie and that character became so...
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 2: so influential because it's like it's watching, okay, if you
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 2: were a superhero now in today's world, you'd have a
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 2: press conference and you would announce yourself as a superhero
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 2: because that's the way we work now. That's our society.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 2: It's like, yes, look at me. Not only am I
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 2: the richest man in the world, I'm also the most powerful.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 2: I know, I'm awesome. His character is... pretty pretty um
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 2: a good good window into the 21st century psyche.
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah oh that's what i was gonna tell you
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: i think was i think favreau directs tarzan.
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 2: Okay again he's he's become an interesting director now you
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 2: didn't necessarily know where he was gonna go in that
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 2: mid part of his career but he's he's really kind
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 2: of stepped up and yeah he wants to do stuff
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 2: he cares about again and You see something like Chef
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 2: turned it around for him.
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 1: I would say if you haven't revisited Swingers in a while,
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 1: I highly recommend it. I watched it the other night.
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: It still holds up.
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 2: He started in a great place.
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: It was midway in. And just a little Hollywood. I'll
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: throw one little Hollywood behind-the-scenes tidbit. At the very end
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 1: when Vince is flirting with the girl, and then he's like, oh,
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 1: she don't know what she's doing. Oh, you want to
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 1: play baby games? That girl, I dated her. So there
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 1: you go.
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 5: Only movie geeks can you brag about.
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 1: Right. Maggie Corman, who was Zazu Petals in the, you know,
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: the Andrew Dice Clay movie. Yeah. Ford Fairlane.
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 2: Nice.
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 2: Well, we will wrap it up here.
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 5: We've definitely spiraled off in many directions.
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 2: We did. More importantly, though, you're on tour. You're out
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 2: in the world. You've got a renewed sense of comedy.
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Passion. Yeah.
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 2: Where can people go see you? Or what's the best
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 2: way to keep up with you?
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 1: You know, the best way, at Gregory Barron is my Twitter.
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 1: There's a Greg Barron Facebook page. I am the King
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 1: Sweater is my website. Or you can put in gregbarron.com
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 1: and it'll get you there. But Twitter is the best hub.
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 1: And then I'm constantly telling you where I am and
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 1: how you can find out more about me and what
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 1: I'm doing and the band and all that stuff, the
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 1: reigning monarchs. So, yeah, that's basically it. But my home,
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 1: I guess the home is the at Gregory Barron on Twitter.
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 1: Don't go there for great tweets.
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear people talk, especially comedians, talk about using
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 2: it and honing this one-sentence joke to put it out there.
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, I just put the link up for
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 2: the new episode. I don't even think about that kind
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 2: of stuff.
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 1: I had a good tweet a week and a half ago.
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 1: It's one of the best tweets I've ever had. I
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 1: think I'm retiring on it. As far as the comedy tweet,
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 1: I said, people keep saying I've just seen Creed, and
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 1: I keep saying, fuck, why?
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 2: I hate those guys.
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 1: And then I remember it's a movie. And that got
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 1: me a lot of retweets. So go back and go
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 1: retweet that. Go find that tweet. Retweet it for me.
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 1: Let's keep that out there. As Creed becomes... That's another
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 1: movie I wish I'd seen. I hear Stallone's amazing in it.
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 2: They're talking.
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 1: I love Michael B. Jordan.
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 2: Supporting actor nomination.
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 1: I love the wire. I love watching. I love seeing...
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 1: One of my favorite things in the whole world is
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 1: seeing anyone from The Wire in anything. I love that
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 1: cast so much.
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 2: They broke out into the world.
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 1: Omar's out there now, and he seems to be working
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 1: quite a bit. And if you saw Ant-Man, I don't
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 1: remember the actor's name, but Avon Barksdale is in Ant-Man,
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 1: which made me so happy. Such a pretty face, that guy.
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 1: And in Gotham... There's some guys from The Wire. That's
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 1: the other thing I love is that casting, you know,
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 1: those shows, those good shows. They know they know guys
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 1: from The Wire.
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they find character actors. They're like especially those like
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 2: on other networks that like we don't have network money
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 2: and network money and what it used to be. So
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 2: like they're like, we're pretty far down. We don't have
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 2: a huge budget for major stars, especially in side roles.
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 2: But we can find these really great character actors that
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 2: know how to bring in awesome performances. They're doing it.
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 1: If you look at Gotham at the very first pilot,
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 1: the pilot, I mean, the dude from the OC is
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 1: not a star star. He's like a guy you know.
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 1: Donald Logue is probably the most seasoned actor on there.
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 1: But it's... Magnificent. That's also the good thing. There's not
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 1: enough money, so you can't hire the stars, so you're
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 1: getting to see more actors.
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 2: You just get better performances and not worried about who
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 2: the star is.
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 1: I just saw Trainwreck. That's what I was. I saw Trainwreck,
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 1: and I thought it was absolutely hilarious.
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 2: I've heard very mixed reviews. Everybody likes her, but everybody
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 2: likes her in general now. but I've heard it's a
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 2: little more, it's more of the Judd Apatow movie. And like, he's,
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 2: everybody seems to have more and more problems. Like each one,
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 2: everybody has more and more problems that he can't edit
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 2: to save his life anymore. Like they're all really long.
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing.
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 5: They take a serious turn, maybe more than they need to.
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 2: Sometimes I liked it.
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 1: It had a very corny romantic comedy ending. I'm just
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 1: going to say that if you think anything, if I'm
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 1: spoiler alert too late, uh, I watched it on an
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 1: airplane where I need it all the time. I wanted
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 1: the two hours and 20 minutes in a movie theater.
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 1: I would have been probably like, I gotta pee. But, uh, in,
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 1: in the, on the plane, it was perfect. Um, the
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 1: performances are amazing. Brie Larson is, that's another revelation. That
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 1: girl is fantastic. Um, LeBron is really good.
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 2: That's yeah.
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 5: Everybody's like, man, he's funny.
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 2: Like who knew he was funny?
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 1: He has a lot, like he's in it a lot
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 1: and he is really funny. And, and, uh, Yeah, I mean,
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 1: it was good, and Amy wrote it, and I'm a fan.
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 1: I just thought, yeah, I liked it. I was real,
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, yes, I think, I feel the
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 1: same way about Judd. At least I feel like he,
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 1: and Colin Quinn is great in it. He just had some,
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 1: and Attell. It's great to see those guys, and So
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 1: I think it has some good moments. On an airplane,
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 1: it's perfect. If you have a flight, I highly recommend
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 1: Get Trainwrecked. You won't mind it because you need something
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 1: to go that long. Some things are just ready for
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 1: the plane.
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 2: Maybe he just needs to make more movies.
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 1: No, maybe you should just put him on planes.
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 2: Well, because, I mean, he's got, like, these really long things,
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 2: and he keeps putting in all these other performers that
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 2: are great, and, like, we want to see Colin. We
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 2: want to see all these other guys, like, maybe make
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 2: two movies, break it up, do more with him. Like,
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 2: he's just, he keeps trying to cram so much in them,
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 2: and then it's, like, three or four years before that
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 2: next one comes out, if it's ones he's directing. So it's, like,
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 2: maybe just shorten them and knock out one every two years.
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's, like, it is an interesting, because
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 2: I think he came from Like Freaks and Geeks is amazing.
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 2: And I don't know that he's ever gotten as good
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 2: as that. Like I've been hit and miss even seeing
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 2: some of the ones along the way film wise, but
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 2: like that was so well written and so solid. And again,
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 2: he could like bring it in, in an hour long episode,
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 2: you know? So it's like, maybe he'd had it right
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 2: the first time and now he just keeps piling too
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 2: much on each time.
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 1: But you know what it is, is that he had
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 1: Paul Feig. Yeah. And Paul Feig is fucking great.
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 2: Spy is, That's what I keep hearing.
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 2: Everybody said it. Oh, my God.
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 1: You know why?
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 2: It got glossed over when it came out because everybody's like, oh,
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 2: another dumb comedy.
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 1: No, he made an action movie. It is a straight up.
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 1: I just saw the trailer for the Grimsley Brothers, the
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 1: Grimsley Brothers, the Sacha Baron Cohen. Same thing. It is
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 1: an action movie. There's not even any question about it.
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 1: And she is playing it pretty straight. I mean, she's
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 1: doing what's being asked of her.
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 1: And what's being asked of her is absurd, and there's
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 1: absurd people in it. But it is shot and done.
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 1: It's so good. It's like The Incredibles, where you go,
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 1: this is an action movie. You can call it whatever
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 1: you want. This is a great action movie with a
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 1: great plot. She couldn't be funnier. Jason Statham is great.
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 1: Spy should have gotten more. She's the best. Yeah. She's amazing.
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 1: I think she's just top notch.
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 2: I don't think they're using her to her full ability.
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 2: I think she is such a great actress.
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 1: Well, you watch her in St. Vincent and you go,
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 1: she can go here too.
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 2: She's got so much potential that they're still just kind
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 2: of making her fall down a lot. And I'm like,
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 2: she's so much better than that. Yeah. She's funny. She's
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 2: got great comedic sense, but she's such a great actress, period.
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I recommend Spy to everybody if you blew it off.
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 1: I think you got to give it another shot. And
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 1: it's fucking thrilling. It's great. It's great. 50 Cent is
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 1: not that good, man.
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 2: He's not that great.
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 1: No, he's not that great.
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 2: All right, man.
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 1: We've got to wrap it up. I've got something coming up.
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 2: So, thank you for being here. Yeah, this has been great.
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 2: And definitely go hit your Twitter and find out where
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 2: you'll be next and go see him.
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 1: Thanks, man.
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 2: Otherwise, that about does it. We will return next week.
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 2: Same Geek Feed. Thanks for listening.
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 1: But it's given me a real appreciation for everything. So
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 1: I'm like, it's kind of neat.
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 2: It does have to change your perspective, I would think.
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 1: Well, and everyone's been super kind to forget how good.
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 2: People are. When faced with a reason to be. Sometimes without, like,
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 2: a reason, people get out of that. And it's sad,
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 2: I think, that, like, you need a reminder to be like, oh, yeah,
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 2: you know, you don't have to be a dick all
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 2: the time.
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 1: Like, No, that's true.
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 2: You can actually be cool to people for no good reason, really.
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 2: But sometimes you need that weird little reminder.
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 1: It does. I mean, yeah, you're right. It takes shitty
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 1: things to bring people together.
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