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Ep. 17 I Tried Every Jeep Cherokee XJ Overheating Fix for 13 Years! · Jeep Talk Show

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I guess it's just a hot show
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It's on
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Now
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My, my, my, my, my
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Good evening boys and girls
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And, um, Reani and, uh, Bear, Brian
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Glad to have you guys
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Looks like we've had a
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few more people join in
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Got, uh, three guests
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My name's Tony, motoroy on xjtalk.com
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In fact, we've got a
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couple of, uh, contests going on
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That I'm gonna talk to you
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about here in just a few minutes
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Tonight we're gonna be talking about, um,
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your Jeep Cherokee running hot
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Or even overheating
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I'm going to relay to you the experiences
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that I've gone through
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And the life cycle of my Jeep
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Which I guess is around 13 years now
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Cause, uh, my wife and I
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bought that Jeep brand new
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So you should, uh, find this interesting
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Even if you haven't had any, uh,
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overheating problems
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But I would find that hard to believe
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Cause that's kind of the
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weak point on the Jeep Cherokee
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But we'll get to that in just a minute
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Okay, well I think there are several
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people interested in the
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contest that we have going on
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Certainly the individuals that, for the
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performance distributors
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FireWireKit 4.0 giveaway
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Those individuals that called in
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questions, called or
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sent in questions or promos
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Well, the initial voting is over
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And it looks like for the promo that
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Dalton 4x4 got 7 votes
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Weldman got 13
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And Orderdine got 4
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Orderdine, if you recall, is in Mongolia
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And he sent in his
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promo from that country
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And he was good enough
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to speak our language
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Which I'm sure improved
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his chances of winning
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And there was only 3 promos
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And I really appreciate them
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And in fact, you'll be hearing them here
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on the show from time to time
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And I hope that you guys
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will do more promos for the show
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It's great to have
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things to play on the show
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And also gives you an
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opportunity to say, "Hey, that's me!"
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Now for the question part of
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it, we had a lot more entries
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I guess questions were easier to think of
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And we have a tie
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So it wasn't something
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that I had anticipated
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But we have a tie
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between Weldman with 3 votes
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And Orderdine with 3 votes
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So before we have the vote between the
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promos and the questions
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We're going to have to
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have another vote, a vote off
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For the 2 questions that have tied
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So I'll be putting up a
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post later today or tomorrow
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So that you can vote on
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which question was the best
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And of course if Weldman wins that one,
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then there will not be a follow-up vote
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He will have won the
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Performance FireWire distributor kit
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So get in there and vote
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It's really easy to vote
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All you need to do is
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be an xjtalk.com member
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And at the very top of each
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page will be a notice section
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And as long as you haven't closed it, you
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will see a line up there that says
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(I'll send this again to it)
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Performance distributor
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FireWire 4.0 kit giveaway
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Voting in progress
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And then it says, "Vote
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best promo, vote best question"
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That'll be a little different
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It'll just say, "Vote best question"
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Probably something like
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Tiebreaker or something
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So I'll be changing that soon
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But the voting has ended for the
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Performance Distributors FireWire kit 4.0
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And so far at this point, Weldman with 13
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votes has won the promo
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And we have a tie between Weldman and
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Orderedine with 3
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votes each for the question
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So on our other giveaway is the quite
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lovely Detours A-Pillar Light Mount
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It does not include the
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lights, so don't give me no
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****
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about it
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It's just the mounts
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So what we're doing there is we're
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selling, it's like a
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raffle, we're selling $2 tickets
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And if you are a Supermember subscriber,
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you get one free entry
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And several people have taken advantage
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of that, our Supermembers of course
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So I've put up our
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current number of entries
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And there's not very many entries
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So if you haven't gone to the top of the
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page where it says "Detours A-Pillar
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Light Mount Contest"
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And then "Contest Details"
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If you just click on "Contest Details"
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you can go and enter the contest
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It's $2 per chance and
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you pay through PayPal
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So just go in, put in your chance to win
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And gosh, what do we have?
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We only have 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11
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We have 11 entries right now
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So some of the individuals
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have 2 and 3 entries apiece
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But if you just look at the odds, it's
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like a 1 in 11 chance to win
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So that's, gosh, what is
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that? 10%? It must be 10%
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Just looking here at the chatroom, we've
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got a few more people who have shown up
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Several guests, hello guests
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It's pretty easy to sign up with Ustream
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to get an account, it's free
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And if you get an account,
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you can talk in the chatroom
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Or at least chat in the chatroom
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So that's our 2 contests
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The Formist Distributed Firework contest
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is coming to a close very soon
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Probably within the next week, possibly
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less, depending on how
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this tiebreaker turns out
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So very anxious to see
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who's going to win that
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I think it's going to be a lot of fun
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Hopefully the winner will take some
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pictures after
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installing the firework kit
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And also 2 for the A-pillars
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Oh, that was the other
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thing I wanted to mention
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A-pillar, Detours, A-pillar light mounts
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The contest will be over
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next Tuesday, March 29th
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So you need to get your
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entries in before then
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You have up to midnight on
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the 29th, that's next Tuesday
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And then on the show next week, we're
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going to pick the winner
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So it'll just be a random drawing
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And whoever's name is
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picked, they're picked
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And that's who will
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get the A-pillar mounts
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And it will be as simple as me
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placing an order with detours
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And then detours mark will
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ship that straight to you
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So it should go pretty quick, since it's
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not depending on me shipping it
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Because I'm kind of slow
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in getting that stuff done
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As any of you that have waited for the
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coveted XJ-Talks stickers have found out
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And speaking of that, the XJ-Talks
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stickers, I have found a local vendor
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I was going to call him last week to see
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about getting some samples made
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And didn't get a chance to
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He was closed Friday and Saturday, so I
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still got a call this week
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But it looks like we should have some
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XJ-Talks stickers very soon
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Those are available for purchase now
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Several people have
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already purchased them
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There is a special deal
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for past XJ-Talks donors
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And certainly for our Super Subscribers
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So if you haven't ordered your sticker
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yet, get in there and order them
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The stickers are $7 apiece,
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and that includes shipping
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Actually, if you order it, it gives me a
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better idea of how many
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to order from this guy
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So if you're thinking about
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getting one, get your order in
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That's on the website
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I didn't think about it before the show,
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so I don't have the information
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But you can get me on the site and ask me
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Or probably just find it
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Oh, actually, it's up at the notices
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It says XJ-Talks
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stickers are available for order
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Click here
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So you just got to click that and it'll
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take you to the right area
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And again, just use PayPal to pay your $7
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or your $1 or your $2
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Or whatever it is, depending on what your
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membership status is
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So tonight's subject is going to be about
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the Jeep overheating
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I know that I've heard several people
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complain about their
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Jeeps running hot at idle
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In traffic, off-road, especially in
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high-torque, high-horsepower environments
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Climbing or crawling
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through things like mud
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It seems to be a very common issue
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Not everybody has it, but it does seem to
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be a very common
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issue with a Jeep Cherokee
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Now, mine was no different
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I bought my Jeep
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Cherokee, I guess it was 1998
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Because that's the year of the Jeep
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And it was fine, you know, it was a stock
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configuration, obviously
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And it was fine for about two years,
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maybe two and a half or so
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And then one day I was coming home down
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I-10, which is the
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highway here close to the house
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And I was driving 70, 80 miles an hour
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And I noticed it was running hot
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Of course it had never run hot before
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And I thought, well, this is strange, it
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must be low on water, maybe I have a leak
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Something's causing
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it to not cool properly
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So I exited I-10, got on the feeder road,
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pulled over into a parking lot
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And it was acting kind of weird because
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it would go to the, it got up to the
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second hash mark after the 210
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Which was right at the edge of the red
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So to me that meant
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it's getting really hot
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And I need to be very careful with it,
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but it's not in the red
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It's at the edge of the
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red, so it should be fine
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But I still got off the highway
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And as I was getting off the highway, the
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needle just dropped down all of a sudden
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Down to the next hash mark down
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And I thought, okay, good, well this is
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great because I was
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afraid it was going to overheat
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So I went on a little
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further and then it kicked back up
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And then you could smell
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the hot from the engine
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And I think it actually started acting
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up, it wasn't running properly
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So I knew those warning signs, so I
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pulled over into a parking lot and turned
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it off and let it sit
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And of course I got out and looked to see
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if there was any
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water leaking and nothing
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It was, you know, just as it was, but I
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got it from the showroom floor
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So I let it cool off a little bit,
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started it, it didn't run very well
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And it straightened up, it was hot, of
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course you know when you turn it off
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you're stopping the cooling system
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So it kind of has a tendency, the
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pressure increases and things have a
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tendency to get hotter
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whenever you turn it off
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Anyway, I babied it all the way home
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At the time I was in a
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pretty good paying IT position
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And I really didn't, I had worked on
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vehicles a lot whenever I first started
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driving when I was like 16, 17, 18
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I didn't know the Jeep, I had never
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worked on it and I wasn't really looking
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forward to doing anything to it
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And also too I was
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probably very busy at work
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So instead of going through the trouble
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of finding out exactly what the problem
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was, I just took it down to a local shop
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Well, they found the
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problem, it was the water pump
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The plastic fins that Chrysler had on the
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water pump were gone
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It looked like somebody
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had just chewed them off
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The coolant looked like a
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kind of a reddish mud color
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Now keep in mind I probably had put some
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water in the overflow, maybe I had put
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some in the radiator
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But you know this thing had been really
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nothing, I had done nothing to it except
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drive it like a bat out of hell
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And it was just a very tough vehicle
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So I was a little surprised at how bad
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that water pump had come
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apart like that basically
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So they said well you know we think that
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you may have warped the head
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Which I was a little surprised because I
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wasn't driving it around, or at least
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according to the gauge
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I wasn't driving it
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around with it being overheated
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So they wanted to check it out and they
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said yeah the head's warped
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So we need to send the head off to have
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it checked and milled
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And if it just has to be milled then you
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know it's only 250
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bucks or something like that
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And I'm like okay, okay
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Anyway, when it was all said and done it
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was $950 to repair the bad water pump
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So, got it back
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I was a little concerned about them
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having the head off and
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putting it back on properly
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And the Jeep actually
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performing like it had before
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But they did a very good job
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I think they charged me way
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too much for it, but that's fine
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They did a very good job and if I had
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wanted to I could have got
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the tools and done it all myself
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But I didn't so I paid the $950
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About two months after that I started
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having a heating problem
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Actually I think I noticed the coolant
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was leaking out of somewhere around the
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front of the vehicle
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And I looked and it looked like it was
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coming from the radiator
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So I called the shop that had done the
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repair and told them
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I think I may have even taken it up there
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and they said yeah the
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radiator has plastic tanks
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So I was confused because I'm like I
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don't understand what do you mean plastic
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Part of the radiator is plastic
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He goes yeah the tanks at the end you
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know the ends both ends of
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the radiator that's plastic
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I said it gets really hot doesn't it
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I mean I already knew how hot the hood
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got on the silly thing
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He said yeah and I said that kind of but
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why would the factory do that
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He goes I don't know but
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that's what it is and they cracked
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You know when you have that problem that
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overheating it stressed the tank
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And that's probably what cracked it and
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you need to probably just replace it
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because they don't repair plastic tanks
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So I said okay how much is that he goes
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well to be honest with you
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We don't sell the radiators so all we
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would do is go to our
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radiator shop and have them do it
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And then we would charge you more for
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what they did and charge us
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If you want to I'll just give you the
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name of the place and
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you can go down there
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I guess they were
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feeling bad about the 950
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No probably not but anyway that's what I
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did and I prefer that anyway
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I would rather go to a radiator shop and
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also to talk to the
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individuals and see what they have
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And you know they I went down there they
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pulled the the radiator
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out stuck it in the tank
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And yeah it's cracked a cracked tank and
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I said okay well you can't I
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never really thought you know
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75 bucks or something I was gonna get it
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repaired but no it was
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a cracked plastic tank
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So I said well you as far as replacement
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what do you got he goes
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well we can put a all metal
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Actually they think I think they probably
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said they had a plastic thing and I
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didn't want a plastic
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I said what do you have that's all metal
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and he says well we have
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an all metal tank for 225
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So I had not looked at anything certainly
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nothing on the internet
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I hadn't looked anything up of course the
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internet was very new back then because I
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guess that would have been around 2000
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2001 I guess it was around
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2000 when all this was going on
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And there wasn't as many things on the
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internet as there are now
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Anyway so 225 they put a new all metal 2
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core radiator in the Jeep and I was off
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So what is that about $1100 just because
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the fins on the
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factory water pump went out
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And that was my first clue I mean it
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always ran just a hair
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above I'm sorry hair below 210
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And it never moved from there and I'm
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pretty good at scanning the gauges so I
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don't think that it had been
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Hotter than that when I was going down
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I-10 and I think I caught it pretty quick
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And I thought I had done it right where I
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wasn't going to cause any damage
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But well I would be a little
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surprised if I warped the head
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Unless the gauge was lying to me
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You know maybe you guys have a better
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idea about how far you can drive
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Whenever it's not in the red
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but it's on the edge of the red
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It did go past that point a couple of
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times but it would go back down
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So you know I kept going
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up I tried to get more air
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Of course I didn't know what the problem
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was at the time if I had known that the
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fins on the water pump were bad
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Then I probably wouldn't have tried that
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So anyway that was my first overheating
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issues with the Cherokee
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And like I said that was like two or
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three years into the
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initial ownership of it
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And it was brand new when I bought it
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So I guess off and on I
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would have issues over the years
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And I went through about
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five I think total water pumps
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I remember one year on Father's Day I
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replaced a water pump
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And then exactly well I don't know
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Father's Day is the same day of her year
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But exactly about one year later on the
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following Father's Day I
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replaced the water pump again
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Now these were the you know the 30, 35
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dollar water pumps from O'Reilly's
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And I don't think I got rebuilt
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especially after going through all that
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crap of having to replace it
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So I'm sure I was getting the new ones
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And had I known that I would
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be replacing them that often
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I would have kept the
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receipt and got a free one
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But going through the
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trouble of putting those things on
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You know they don't reimburse you for
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that hour, two hours,
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whatever it takes to change that out
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And plus Father's Day is in the summer so
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it's even more fun to work on the Jeep
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I wonder if it's really hot outside
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So anyway I've gone through by the total
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of five water pumps
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counting that first one
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And the one I've had on there now for I
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guess over a year is the flow
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cooler high volume water pump
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I was looking at the Hesco but it was
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just too d*** expensive
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There's just no way I was going to put a
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250, 300 dollar water pump on my Jeep
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And I didn't see a lot of
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difference between the two
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So anyway I'm getting,
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well this is a while back too
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Because keep in mind a guy in the chat
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room east Texas Hunter says 35 dollars
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bid God that's cheap
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That was 2003, 2004 so that was a few
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years ago when I was getting that
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And of course I could be remembering
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wrong but I don't think
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it was much more than that
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I don't think it was 60 or anything, I
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don't think it was 40, it
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seems like it was around 35 or so
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But anyway, at any rate
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I'm getting ahead of myself
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So I knew that during the summer time I
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would have the biggest problem
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Of course it makes sense, the air
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temperature is the
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hottest, the humidity is high
23:30
And the very narrow nose of the Jeep
23:36
Cherokee is just not a
23:37
really good surface area
23:39
Especially to put fans behind the
23:41
radiator to get the air
23:42
flow through there at low speed
23:46
So just like most of the Jeeps at idle
23:49
and traffic it would start to warm up
23:51
If I wasn't running the air conditioner
23:53
the electric fan,
23:55
auxiliary fan would come on
23:57
And certainly that would help the
23:58
situation, the overheating situation
24:01
But every so often it would have a
24:03
problem and I would
24:05
have to add some water
24:06
I never really saw a leak but I noticed I
24:09
could add water and then it
24:11
would go back to acting normal
24:13
And I guess about every three months or
24:14
so I'd have to put some water in it
24:17
And this went on for
24:19
years and I lifted the Jeep
24:23
I guess that was about
24:25
three and a half years ago
24:27
That was October of 2007 I believe
24:31
I was talking to Matt the other day on
24:34
Facebook and we were talking about tires
24:36
And I was trying to remember how long it
24:39
had been since I had
24:41
bought the BFG32s that I have
24:46
And it's going right on
24:49
three and a half years
24:50
I'll probably get four years out of those
24:51
tires which I think is pretty good
24:54
I do need to check them to
24:55
make sure how far down they are
24:58
He was telling me about how to check to
24:59
see how low they are with the little hash
25:02
marks and stuff on it
25:03
that I wasn't familiar with
25:04
But anyway, so about three and a half
25:09
years ago I put a four and a half of
25:12
Rough Country four and a half inch lift
25:14
And on that same day that the kit was
25:16
installed I took it over to NTB
25:18
I had already
25:19
purchased the wheels and tires
25:23
So I just drove it over to NTB with the
25:26
wheels and tires and they mounted them,
25:29
balanced them and put them on the Jeep
25:32
And about, I don't know, as soon as I
25:35
noticed it I mean I was always keeping a
25:37
close eye on the temperature gauge
25:40
And then right after that
25:41
initial overheating problem
25:45
I kind of gradually over time noticed it
25:48
was running a little hot
25:52
And it only seemed to do it, I mean it
25:54
had the same issue at
25:55
idle and so on and so forth
25:57
But going down the
25:58
highway at 70-80 miles an hour
26:01
It would kind of have what
26:03
I called was a heat creep
26:04
Because it would go up to the 210 and
26:07
then you know you go down the road
26:09
another five miles or so
26:11
And then it would be a little over 210,
26:13
another five miles, it would be a little
26:14
further on, further on
26:16
And it would actually get to
26:17
that first hash mark past 210
26:21
At the time I thought that
26:23
was a linear scale and it's not
26:25
That first hash mark, at least according
26:28
to the ODB OBD2 interface, that next hash
26:33
mark is around 240-245
26:35
Really hot, a lot hotter than what I
26:39
thought it was based on the interval of
26:41
hash, the intervals
26:43
that the hash marks were
26:45
So I was, needless to say, I was very
26:49
concerned because I understand that the
26:51
transmission coolant
26:53
is going to the radiator
26:56
Certainly the engine, the
26:57
whole vehicle would smell hot
27:00
And even though it wasn't overheating I
27:02
was still nervous because of the $950
27:05
that I had spent just
27:07
several years earlier
27:08
And I did not want to be in that position
27:10
again, especially since my
27:12
job situation had changed
27:14
And I wasn't making the same amount of
27:16
money that I had been making before
27:19
So I needed to get this thing fixed, I
27:22
needed to figure out what
27:23
the problem was and resolve it
27:26
Now initially I thought, well, I've put
27:29
bigger tires, you
27:30
know, I spoke with people
27:32
Initially the conversation was, well
27:34
bigger tires, there's more
27:35
stress on the transmission
27:37
It's probably slipping more than what it
27:40
had slipped before because of the
27:42
additional weight of the vehicle
27:45
Because of the tires, and of course
27:46
making the tires turn
27:47
and blah blah blah blah
27:49
So the thought was,
27:50
get a transmission cooler
27:53
So that's what I did
27:55
I got a BN, I always say
27:58
this wrong, B&M, yep, B&M
28:01
I always want to say
28:01
B&W like A&W root beer
28:03
But anyway, the B&M
28:05
13,000 BTU transmission cooler
28:10
Now, my Jeep has the upcountry package
28:14
So it already has a
28:16
factory transmission cooler on it
28:20
So I just put the 13K
28:22
transmission cooler in series
28:24
So it was going, the transmission line
28:26
would go to the radiator
28:28
And then it would go to the
28:29
factory transmission cooler
28:32
And then it went to the B&W transmission
28:35
cooler, which was
28:35
probably twice the surface area
28:38
And then I ran that out
28:41
back to the transmission
28:43
And I put the transmission cooler in
28:45
front of the condenser
28:47
And I went ahead and put it on the side
28:48
of the mechanical fan
28:50
Because, you know, to me that made the
28:52
most sense because the
28:53
mechanical fan was larger
28:55
And should pull more air through there
28:57
So if you're going to put some extra heat
28:59
generating device in front of your Jeep
29:02
Put it in front of the
29:02
fan that pulls the most air
29:04
So that's what I did
29:06
I did not resolve the issue
29:10
I don't think it made it any worse
29:12
Or at least it wasn't noticeably worse
29:15
But it did not resolve the issue
29:17
I have no doubt that the
29:18
transmission probably ran cooler
29:22
I would have, I still
29:24
want to and I haven't done so
29:26
I should have got a
29:28
transmission temperature gauge
29:30
So I could see exactly how
29:32
hot or cold it was running
29:34
I did notice that during the winter time,
29:36
like when it was 30 degrees out
29:38
The transmission would act funny
29:39
And I'm sure it was
29:41
because it was too cold
29:43
I'm sure it would say
29:44
it was too d**k cold
29:46
It took it a little
29:47
while for it to warm up
29:48
And then once it was warmed
29:49
up it was, it didn't act weird
29:52
And that was a number of years ago
29:53
So I don't think it's actually a
29:54
transmission problem
29:55
I think it was just, the transmission
29:58
fluid was just, you know
30:00
It was kind of having a hard time with it
30:01
because it wasn't warming up very quickly
30:04
Yeah, 30 degrees was very cold in Texas
30:07
Oh, thanks for joining Pre-Runner
30:09
Kind of a neat treat having you here
30:12
Either you're at home
30:14
or you're still at work
30:15
Not doing something
30:16
you're not supposed to do
30:17
But glad to have you here anyway
30:20
So anyway, put that on there
30:23
Didn't make a difference
30:25
But I felt better about the transmission
30:28
Because even with the engine running hot
30:30
That probably, I would think, that helped
30:33
the transmission run cooler
30:35
So any damage that I may have been doing
30:38
By running hot transmission fluid back
30:40
into the transmission
30:44
That should have helped that situation
30:47
So I kind of figured I
30:48
extended the life of the transmission
30:50
So I think that it was
30:53
about, maybe two years ago
30:58
That I got real aggressive
30:59
about trying to fix this problem
31:03
I found that I could get out here on I-10
31:05
and drive down about 12 miles
31:08
Well I guess it was 12 miles round trip
31:10
So I could drive about 6 miles
31:11
And it didn't matter
31:12
if it was day or night
31:15
Raining, dry, cold, hot, etc.
31:21
If I drove at 6 miles
31:23
at 75, 80 miles an hour
31:27
Before I got to where I was going to pull
31:28
off and turn around and come back
31:30
It was running, I don't want to say it
31:33
was, it wasn't
31:34
overheating but it was running hot
31:35
It was doing that past the 210
31:39
Either at or very
31:40
close to the next hash mark
31:42
So I had a good solid
31:44
test that I could use
31:46
So I can't remember the
31:48
order of how I changed things
31:50
But basically the first thing
31:52
I did was, I do remember this
31:54
The first thing I did
31:54
was I got a new radiator
31:57
One thing I had learned with my 72 Nova
32:01
and my 327, etc. etc.
32:05
If you want to cool an engine better
32:10
Put an additional core, get a
32:12
transmission with another core
32:14
So if it's a 1 core get
32:15
a 2, if it's a 2 get a 3
32:17
In the Jeep it was a 2 core
32:19
So I started digging around on the
32:20
internet and I found the
32:22
C, was it CSF or CFS
32:26
Anyway, that 3 core
32:28
transma, 3 core radiator
32:31
And it was actually something I got from
32:33
Auto, yeah, Auto-Barn
32:36
Auto-Barn, which I
32:38
wouldn't think that that would be
32:39
You know, barn wouldn't be a good place
32:41
to buy anything unless
32:42
it's hay or livestock
32:43
But anyway, they were real good people
32:46
Treated me well
32:48
And I think, I can't remember, something
32:52
happened to that first one
32:54
I think I got a hole rubbed in it
32:57
It was, yeah, the
33:00
electric fan rubbed a hole in it
33:03
And they warranted it for
33:05
me, they sent me another one
33:07
Which I thought was really nice, I didn't
33:08
know what the problem was at the time
33:11
But they were very nice to take care of
33:12
that and it really wasn't their fault
33:15
It was something, a modification they
33:17
needed to do to the electric fan to keep
33:19
it from rubbing on the fins
33:21
But anyway, put the 3 core in there
33:23
And I was certain,
33:25
certain that that would fix it
33:28
It made it better, but it did not fix it
33:31
It still ran hot
33:33
So then I got a lot more aggressive
33:37
Actually, before I go too
33:39
far, back up a little bit
33:41
I was having issues with it running hot
33:44
and also too, it was very doggy
33:47
Going up overpasses
33:49
and so on and so forth
33:50
So it had been mentioned,
33:52
I think it was on NAXJ-A
33:55
That they had said,
33:56
well, your gears are wrong
33:58
You know, with those 32 inch tires, the
34:00
355 gears that you have in the
34:02
differentials is not going to be good
34:05
It's going to hurt your gas mileage and
34:07
it's going to make
34:07
that engine work harder
34:09
And if the engine is working harder, then
34:11
it's going to generate more heat
34:15
Made sense to me
34:16
And was a f***ing good excuse to put
34:18
higher or lower gears in it
34:19
Higher numeric, lower ratio gears
34:23
So got some 456 gears and took it over to
34:27
the shop and got them installed
34:29
And that is probably the thing that made
34:33
my Jeep the most fun to drive again
34:36
Because it put it back to where it was
34:40
whenever it was stock
34:41
Except now it was lifted with big tires
34:43
So I was able to make it go, accelerate
34:47
like it accelerated before
34:48
Probably a little bit better actually
34:51
So anyway, put the gears on it, no change
34:55
Still running hot
34:56
Now keep in mind for you folks that say
34:58
if it's running hot at highway speeds
35:01
Which is the problem I'm
35:02
having, it's an air flow issue
35:04
So keep in mind, this is no modification
35:08
to the Jeep with the
35:09
exception of lift and larger tires
35:12
The front bumper with the air dam built
35:15
into it, still there
35:18
Nothing in front of the grill
35:21
The only thing that was
35:22
behind the grill was the condenser
35:25
The 13K transmission cooler
35:29
And of course behind that, the radiator
35:32
So running hot on the highway
35:34
And actually getting up there
35:36
towards the second hash mark
35:38
Now I've heard several people were
35:40
telling me on the website, Nat, N-A-X-J-A
35:45
That, you know, don't worry about it
35:48
It's running hot, it's not overheating,
35:51
don't worry about it
35:52
And then I had some of them say, well
35:54
it's running hot because
35:56
the gear ratio is too low
35:58
You're turning too many RPMs, because at
36:01
80 miles an hour I was
36:02
turning 3000 RPMs in overdrive
36:06
So I tried driving slower, 65
36:11
Which I think was closer
36:12
to, oh gosh, what is that?
36:15
I think it's 70, it's about 2800, so I
36:18
guess 65 would be close to 26, 2500 RPM
36:24
And it's a little better,
36:27
it doesn't run quite as hot
36:31
And so anyway, the summer was coming up
36:35
and I said, screw this, I'm fixing this
36:38
So I did some research and
36:42
I said, okay, airflow issue
36:45
Clutch disc, I'm not clutch disc, clutch
36:48
for the fan, let's replace it
36:50
So I got a new one, put
36:52
it on there, no change
36:54
Did some more research, found out that
36:56
you could put a heavy duty, grand
36:59
Cherokee fan clutch on there
37:03
And basically what it was, was it would
37:06
just engage at a higher, a lower RPM and
37:11
at more of a percentage of engagement
37:14
So basically more
37:15
airflow, and put that in there
37:19
I don't want to say, it did not fix it,
37:21
there was a slight change,
37:23
there was a slight improvement
37:24
It was a noticeable
37:25
improvement, but it did not fix it
37:27
And the goal here was to get the
37:30
temperature down, less than
37:33
the needles width, below 210
37:35
Because that's the way
37:36
it was from the factory
37:38
So then some people had said, well it's
37:40
probably your, it's
37:42
probably the temp sensor
37:43
Your temp sensor is probably throwing you
37:45
off, and I'm thinking to myself, well, it
37:47
runs kind of funny when it gets hot
37:50
And you feel a loss of
37:51
power when it gets too hot
37:53
And on summertime
37:54
days, I would notice that
37:56
So I was thinking, no, I
37:58
think it is getting hot
37:59
But I wanted to take every
38:03
opportunity to do it right
38:04
So for 30 bucks or so,
38:07
whatever it was, 25, 28 dollars
38:08
I went and got another temp sensor
38:11
And now it was running hotter
38:13
So it was actually
38:14
showing a higher temperature
38:16
And then I said enough with this
38:18
And I said, what else do I,
38:19
what else can I throw on here
38:21
So I went ahead and replaced the heater
38:24
hoses, the upper hose, the lower hose
38:27
I had already replaced the radiator
38:30
I put in a lower thermostat, like a 180
38:35
Prose my butt off during the winter with
38:36
that 180 thermostat in there, by the way
38:39
And then I started
38:40
looking at the high flow stuff
38:42
So I got a high flow thermostat housing,
38:45
a high flow thermostat, another 180
38:49
I got a, got the high flow
38:52
water pump, the flow cooler
38:55
Put it all on there and it still ran hot
39:00
And mind you, this is what the 180 high
39:02
flow thermostat, it
39:04
still ran hot on the highway
39:06
Now at idle, in
39:08
traffic, oh I just love things
39:10
It was a Jim Dandy
39:13
Any issue that I had had sitting in
39:15
traffic or just having
39:16
the thing sit there idle
39:18
Not a problem
39:20
It was working great,
39:22
but not on the highway
39:23
It had the heat creep
39:26
Now it was not going as far
39:28
over as what it did before
39:30
So the modifications that I had made did
39:33
make an improvement
39:34
driving down the highway
39:36
So I think the next thing I tried was,
39:39
let's wire up the, let's put in the
39:42
bypass switch for the electric fan
39:45
And I guess that really
39:47
wasn't so much as trying that
39:49
I was building up the jeep
39:50
and I wanted to take it off road
39:52
And I thought that would be a really nice
39:53
thing to be able to switch that electric
39:56
fan on while I was off road
39:58
So I hooked that up and one day during
40:01
the summer I was coming home
40:03
And I thought, you know, I wonder what
40:06
would happen if I turned
40:07
the air conditioner off
40:09
Now you understand that the air
40:11
conditioner runs the Exori fan
40:14
When the air conditioner is
40:15
on, the Exori fan comes on
40:17
And that's because there's more heat
40:19
being put out in front of
40:21
the radiator on that condenser
40:22
So the air being drawn
40:24
through is going to be hotter
40:26
So you need more air flow and actually
40:28
surface area to be
40:31
cooled on that radiator
40:32
So it can keep up with the additional
40:34
heat load that you're
40:34
putting into the cooling system
40:38
So I thought to myself, well, I wonder
40:40
what would happen if
40:42
I'm driving down the road
40:43
At, you know, 2800 RPM
40:47
with the air conditioner off
40:49
But with the electric fan on
40:51
Let me take that little bit
40:54
of heat out of the equation
40:55
And what I found was, is that first off I
40:59
made sure that it was going to run hot
41:00
And YAT did, it was up there past the
41:03
210, well past the 210
41:05
Not to the first hash
41:06
mark, but well past the 210
41:08
So, you know, I
41:11
verified that YAT's running hot
41:13
It's hot, it's a hot day and I'm running,
41:15
I've got the heat creep
41:17
So, and then I hit the electric, the
41:18
switch, the bypass for the electric fan
41:21
And boy, the temperature
41:22
just starts coming down
41:24
And it got within
41:26
probably a needle's width of 210
41:29
On the, running, you
41:31
know, higher than 210
41:34
Now I was really
41:34
impressed with that information
41:36
That told me that the amount
41:37
of heat that it was generating
41:40
Was slightly more than what the cooling
41:43
system could keep up with
41:44
It also told me that what
41:47
these guys had been telling me
41:48
And I'm sure the same
41:50
thing you guys have told me
41:52
That if you run hot at highway speeds,
41:55
it's an air flow issue
41:56
And it is not a fan problem because
42:00
running down the highway
42:02
at 70, 80 miles an hour
42:04
Your fans are not needed
42:06
You know, that's the same
42:07
thing that everybody says
42:09
And it makes perfect sense
42:11
But that's not what I experienced
42:14
I experienced that whenever I had the
42:17
electric fan on at highway speeds
42:20
And the air conditioner off, it made a
42:23
significant, noticeable difference
42:25
In the coolant temperature
42:28
So, actually, probably
42:30
six months, eight months ago
42:31
I was talking to a vendor on xjtalk.com
42:36
And I said, "Mark, would this--"
42:40
I think it's Mark, "Mark at Payless"
42:46
Payless 4x4
42:47
And I said, "Mark, would it make a
42:49
difference if I had, you
42:51
know, like a lot more CFM
42:53
A couple other electric
42:55
fans, maybe a Taurus electric fan
42:57
And a higher--another high-speed fan, not
43:01
a Taurus, it wouldn't fit,
43:02
but another high-speed fan
43:03
And he said that that Taurus and the
43:07
other fan, I think it was like 3500,
43:10
3600, whatever it was, CFM
43:13
He says, "That's going to pull more air
43:14
than what you're going to be able to
43:15
force through there
43:16
going down the highway"
43:17
So, that was contrary to what I had been
43:20
hearing from everybody else
43:22
And I was a little enthused by that
43:24
because, keep in mind, I
43:25
had done all these things
43:26
And I think by this time I'd
43:28
also cut the hole in the hood
43:31
So that I could put in
43:32
a cowl induction scoop
43:37
So that it would have a way of letting
43:39
the air get out, the
43:40
hot air out of the hood
43:42
And flow back over the Jeep and, you
43:45
know, maybe get some of that
43:46
Because it's very hot under the hood,
43:48
which by the way, that didn't fix the
43:49
problem either, obviously
43:50
But all these things
43:52
had a slight improvement
43:54
And again, off-road, high torque, air
44:01
conditioner on, crawling,
44:05
low gears, blah blah blah blah
44:08
Runs great
44:09
I have no overheating issues
44:11
whatsoever, only on the highway
44:14
And I get the heat creep
44:15
So, that's where we are today
44:19
And one of the reasons why
44:21
I wanted to go over this is
44:23
I know that some of you on
44:25
XJTalk have mentioned that
44:27
On the website, you have mentioned that,
44:29
you know, you've got 35 inch tires
44:32
Or blah blah blah blah blah
44:34
And you have the same
44:35
problem on the highway
44:37
Now, some of you don't
44:39
I don't know what the
44:39
correlation between those that do is
44:42
And those that don't
44:44
What the correlation is
44:45
But I do know that some of you have that
44:48
and you may just be living with it
44:51
Maybe you've tried to fix it, you
44:52
couldn't, and you've given up
44:53
I refuse to
44:55
I've built a nice Jeep
44:59
and it is a station wagon
45:01
And I would like to
45:02
take the family places
45:04
And I really can't with the way it is
45:07
Now, I did notice here
45:09
about maybe a month ago now
45:12
We were in a situation
45:14
where the Mustang was down
45:15
So, we had to take the Jeep on the
45:18
highway to go pick up the girls
45:21
At a cousin's house
45:24
Probably 20 miles away
45:26
And I had to get on the highway
45:27
And I was driving down the highway
45:29
I tried to keep it
45:30
around 65, 70 miles an hour
45:32
And it was running around 210
45:35
Maybe a little warmer than that at times
45:38
And the outside air
45:38
temperature was 70 something degrees
45:42
So, that was actually an improvement
45:45
I don't know what
45:48
difference there has been
45:49
Because I haven't done anything to it
45:52
since cutting the hole
45:53
And putting the cattle
45:55
induction scoop on it
45:56
And testing it, of course, and not seeing
45:58
that that had resolved the issue
46:01
So, I have plans currently
46:03
I was looking at, and you guys were
46:05
mentioning it here in the chat room
46:06
I had been looking at the
46:09
rubber mat that comes on some of
46:13
You know, maybe it was on mine
46:15
Maybe they took it off whenever they were
46:17
replacing the water pump
46:19
And that's why I never saw it
46:21
But as far as I know, my 98 did not have
46:25
the little rubber mat that goes
46:26
underneath the engine
46:28
And then we're doing
46:30
some research this week
46:31
I thought maybe it was because of having
46:33
the upcountry package
46:36
That includes skids, factory skids
46:39
Maybe it was because I
46:40
had the front factory skid
46:42
That's the reason why
46:42
I didn't have the mat
46:43
But several people on
46:44
the website had said
46:47
Had told me no, so-and-so
46:49
has a skid and they have a mat
46:51
So, I think I was talking to,
46:55
strangely enough, Matt today
46:58
And he said that, he says,
47:00
just put your skid back on it
47:02
Which, by the way, the running hot and
47:05
everything, I had the
47:06
factory skid on there
47:07
But whenever I put my new detours,
47:10
custom-built bumper on the front
47:12
I removed that skid and left it off
47:16
I was trying to counteract some of the
47:18
weight that I was adding to the front
47:20
with it and the winch
47:22
So, I've dug it back up and I'm going to
47:23
be putting that back on
47:25
Because Matt, M.S.
47:28
Mornberg on xraytalk.com
47:31
And several others had mentioned that
47:33
maybe what the
47:34
problem I'm experiencing is
47:36
Is a lack of vacuum or a lack of
47:43
basically keeping the air from flowing
47:45
underneath and on top of the Jeep
47:48
Whenever the Jeep was lower, the air dam
47:51
was closer to the ground
47:53
Maybe, I don't know, 12 inches or less
47:57
And then when I lifted
47:59
it, it was 7 inches higher
48:02
Because the tires and the 4.5 inch lift
48:05
lifted the body a total of 7 inches
48:09
So, maybe that allowed
48:10
more air flow under the Jeep
48:13
And if more air is going under the Jeep
48:16
and over the Jeep, that means less air is
48:18
going through the radiator
48:20
Because the radiator is
48:21
going to be more restrictive
48:24
And the air, like water, is going to want
48:26
to travel in the path of least resistance
48:29
So, Matt's idea was,
48:32
let's put an air dam on there
48:33
Let's put something on there that will
48:35
block that air flow and see if we can't
48:39
push more air through the radiator
48:40
I mean, certainly by definition, running
48:43
hot on the highway, you
48:45
have an air flow problem
48:46
I mean, it can be other things too, but
48:47
if all those other things have been
48:49
addressed, it's
48:50
probably an air flow problem
48:52
So, that's where we're at now
48:54
I'm also looking at some electric fans
48:59
Dirt bound off-road has a 3 electric fan
49:05
setup that replaces the factory auxiliary
49:08
fan and the mechanical fan
49:10
And it has a, the CFM rating is 4,600
49:17
And what I've read was, you need a
49:19
minimum of 2,900 to have what you have
49:23
with the aux and the mechanical fan
49:26
So, certainly, 4,600 CFM is probably the
49:31
best I'm going to do
49:33
At least, you know, without placing some
49:36
sort of jet engine or something in there
49:38
to suck air through the front
49:41
In fact, at 4,600 CFM, I'll probably suck
49:44
small animals and leaves and things up to
49:47
the front of the Jeep
49:49
And, you know, I understand the bumper
49:52
that I put on there, the lights, the
49:53
winch, all that stuff is
49:54
going to be disturbing the air
49:56
and making it harder
49:56
for the air to get through
49:58
Although I have seen an improvement in
50:00
the running hot at highway speeds
50:03
than what I had originally, when I had
50:05
the original bumper and
50:07
nothing in front of the Jeep grille
50:10
So, I just wanted to mention that because
50:12
I know that's an obvious way to go
50:15
When you're putting things in front of
50:16
the Jeep, it's going to make it harder
50:18
for the air to get through
50:19
You're running hot at highway speeds, you
50:21
know, take those lights
50:22
off, take that winch off
50:24
Be normal
50:26
And, f*** it, I'm not going to
50:28
I'm going to figure
50:28
out some way around it
50:30
So, I don't think, oh, one
50:33
thing I did do this last summer
50:36
I took the B&M transmission cooler off
50:41
the front, in front of the condenser, the
50:44
AC condenser and radiator
50:46
And I moved it down to the bumper
50:48
There's some slots in the bumper
50:49
And I thought, you know, the transmission
50:53
probably isn't running that hot
50:54
I do have the transmission cooler, the
50:57
factor transmission cooler in the airflow
50:59
I'll put this one in the bumper and it's
51:00
not going to get as much air
51:02
But it's going to get
51:02
some air going through there
51:04
And, you know, that might be a benefit
51:08
And actually, that made a difference
51:11
That made a noticeable difference
51:13
And it may be why I was able to run at
51:17
around 210 whenever I was
51:19
in the 70 degree air temps
51:22
Because I took that heat generator
51:24
And according to my IR laser
51:27
Yeah, well it has a laser pointer on it
51:29
The IR thermometer, I scanned it
51:31
And I think that was 165 degrees
51:34
The transmission
51:36
cooler was 165, 170 degrees
51:39
And it's about 12 inches by 8 or 9 inches
51:42
So it was this nice big heat generator in
51:46
front of the radiator and condenser
51:48
That are also
51:49
generating and dissipating heat
51:51
So, moving that out
51:53
of the airflow did help
51:55
Obviously, the best thing to do would be
51:57
to take that little transmission cooler
52:00
Stick an 8 inch fan or
52:02
something on it with a thermostat
52:04
And have it kick on depending upon what
52:06
the transmission
52:07
temperature, fluid temperature is
52:09
But I haven't got that far yet
52:11
So, my next step will be to
52:14
put the skid plate back on
52:17
The factory skid back
52:18
on the front of the Jeep
52:20
And see if that makes a difference
52:22
And then after that,
52:24
it's the 3 electric fans
52:26
4600 CFM baby
52:29
And, I don't know, leaf blowers, duct
52:32
tape to the front to
52:33
force more air through there
52:34
I don't know
52:36
I really don't want to go to the 3 core
52:40
all aluminum radiator for $500
52:43
Although, that probably
52:44
would have been cheaper
52:45
I'm certain it would have been cheaper
52:46
than all the things I've already done
52:48
So, if you're having a problem with the
52:51
Jeep running hot at idle
52:54
Or out on the trail
52:56
I think that the $40 change
53:01
Get the heavy duty
53:03
Grand Cherokee fan clutch
53:07
That makes a big difference
53:08
That's going to suck more air through
53:10
It's going to, it should hurt your gas
53:12
mileage a little bit
53:14
Although, I haven't
53:15
seen a big change in mine
53:18
And it squeals
53:21
If you're accelerating
53:23
It has a tendency to squeal
53:24
And I don't know if that's because of the
53:27
fan blades going too fast
53:29
Or exactly what it is
53:31
But I thought I had a bad one at first
53:32
But, no, it just squeals
53:34
It doesn't squeal at the time
53:35
It only squeals at certain times
53:37
But it squeals
53:39
Seems to be a common thing
53:41
And then the, I think the 3 core radiator
53:44
It does help
53:46
And I've heard that having that
53:47
additional core means that it doesn't
53:51
dissipate the heat as well
53:52
Because now your heat
53:54
generation is that much deeper
53:56
So, you know, instead
53:58
of having 2 rows, 2 cores
54:01
And having the air flow over the 2 cores
54:03
And just cooling those 2 cores
54:04
Now you're having to cool a 3rd core
54:06
And each one is
54:07
adding heat to the next one
54:09
So, I don't know
54:11
I didn't see, I've seen a huge difference
54:14
on the Chevy engines
54:15
whenever I would do that
54:17
I did not see a big
54:18
difference doing it to the Jeep
54:20
But the 3 core was $167 for Model Born
54:24
So, I don't know
54:25
It seems to be a pretty good deal
54:29
So, that was me talking
54:30
for, you know, about an hour
54:32
Pay a little more
54:33
attention here to the chat room
54:35
Does anybody have any questions or
54:37
comments that may have been missing?
54:40
Dalton said, "I'm not sure what the problem is
54:41
Dalton says, "Does it have some kind of
54:42
heat resistant backing on the mat?"
54:44
I don't know
54:45
I only started looking at
54:47
that day before yesterday
54:49
According to, talking to
54:51
Matt today on Facebook chat
54:53
He said that the mat is about an inch
54:58
longer than the factory skid
55:02
So, he said, "Just put the factory skid
55:04
on it and don't worry about the mat"
55:05
So, that's what I want to do
55:08
I'm going to just come
55:09
put that skid back on
55:09
I don't want to scramble around to try to
55:13
figure out where the
55:13
bolts are for that silly thing
55:15
I guess I'll have to set it to make do
55:17
Maybe go buy some
55:18
Because I didn't save them
55:19
I didn't make that skid
55:20
was ever going back on there
55:21
I think it looks better without the skid
55:23
But, you know, having the
55:24
engine running cool is better
55:26
Oh, and by the way
55:28
I do notice that with all the
55:30
modifications that I made
55:31
Even on the hottest days in Houston
55:34
When I'm sitting in traffic
55:36
I do not feel a loss of performance
55:39
Before you could tell that the engine was
55:41
not producing as much horsepower
55:44
As it would
55:46
Even though the temperature didn't look
55:47
like it was that bad
55:49
The engine wouldn't perform as well
55:51
And with the modifications that I've made
55:54
It is like a cool spring
55:57
day with the windows down
55:58
It performs just as snappy as it used to
56:02
Even on the hottest days
56:03
So that makes me feel better about the
56:05
modifications that I've made
56:06
Because it feels snappy and, you know,
56:09
like it's ready to go
56:10
Like it always has on the cooler days
56:14
So guys, any questions, any comments?
56:17
Any questions about the contest?
56:20
Just a reminder, we
56:21
have two contests going on
56:23
One is winding down and coming to an end
56:27
Either in the next few
56:28
days or in about a week
56:29
And that is for the
56:32
performance distributors
56:33
Firewire kit 4.0
56:36
If you're not familiar with this kit
56:37
It is a basically plug wires
56:42
A higher voltage coil
56:46
It is a rotor and a cap
56:51
And together it's supposed to allow you
56:53
to run your spark plugs up to
56:56
0.065
56:57
A 0.065 gap
57:01
And a bigger gap means a larger spark
57:04
A larger spark means more
57:06
fuel burn inside the cylinder
57:09
And that translates into more
57:11
power and better fuel economy
57:15
I had a problem with mine
57:18
And finally wound up
57:20
finding out that it was the
57:23
Crank position sensor that was causing me
57:25
a problem, not the kit
57:27
And I have not seen a
57:29
large improvement in my mileage
57:33
But I may have other
57:35
issues that I'm working on
57:38
It has been documented that
57:39
this kit does improve gas mileage
57:42
Two or three miles per gallon
57:43
So it was, I got the kit around the time
57:47
that the price of gas was up real high
57:50
And I was hoping to get
57:52
higher than 13 miles per gallon
57:54
What I'm currently getting
57:55
It's almost like clockwork
57:57
It goes anywhere from a
57:58
high 11 mile per gallon
58:00
To a mid 13, 5, 13, 6
58:04
And doesn't really change
58:06
And hasn't changed since
58:08
I put the 456 gears in it
58:09
That was the biggest increase
58:12
It was around 10
58:13
miles to the gallon before
58:16
And now it's up around
58:18
consistently 12 something
58:20
12 to 13
58:22
And the 456 gears made a big difference
58:25
Now I don't drive highway
58:26
I drive back roads so I drive 40 to 50,
58:29
maybe 60 miles an hour
58:31
With stops
58:33
So you know you've got to
58:35
factor that stuff in too
58:37
I have not gone on a trip because of the
58:40
running hot problem on the highway
58:42
And I suspect that if I
58:44
could go on a long trip at 65
58:47
And maintain 65, maybe 70 miles an hour
58:51
My gas mileage would
58:52
probably be a little better
58:54
But running the higher RPM I'm probably
58:55
going through a little more gas
58:57
Now if I do get a chance financially
59:00
With all this other stuff that I need or
59:02
want to do that I Jeep
59:03
I would like to get
59:04
one of those programmers
59:05
And try doing a burn on the computer to
59:13
make it run more fuel efficient
59:15
And see if that wouldn't help
59:16
It would be great if I could get 16, 17
59:20
miles per gallon out of it
59:22
I'd be really happy with that
59:24
And based on the feedback that I've
59:26
gotten from two websites
59:28
Maybe three websites
59:31
People with lifted Jeeps,
59:33
4.5 inch, 32, 33 inch tires
59:36
On the highway are seeing as high as 15
59:40
to 16, maybe even 17 miles per gallon
59:44
Not everybody, but some are
59:46
And I was ready to accept that that's
59:48
just what the gas mileage is going to be
59:49
I mean that's what
59:50
you have to pay to play
59:52
And if you're going to lift big tires on
59:54
you're going to lose gas mileage
59:56
But there are Jeeps running automatics
59:59
with similar lifts, similar tires
1:00:01
With armor, blah blah blah
1:00:04
Getting 16, 17 miles per gallon
1:00:07
If I'm not getting 20
1:00:08
I wouldn't believe 20
1:00:09
But so that's what I want to try
1:00:12
Yep, you're right, you're right Wayne
1:00:14
Wayne says it's a Jeep,
1:00:16
Jeep love gas end of story
1:00:18
So yeah I know Renee
1:00:20
that's what I've heard
1:00:21
Renee says that not any I have seen
1:00:25
You know it's a website
1:00:29
People can be exaggerating
1:00:30
They could be going downhill
1:00:33
They could be going
1:00:34
downhill with a tailwind
1:00:35
They could have been being towed
1:00:37
I don't know
1:00:37
I just know that there were more than 1's
1:00:40
and 2's that were
1:00:41
saying they were getting
1:00:44
Anywhere from 15 to 17 miles per gallon
1:00:47
On the highway
1:00:48
4.5 inch lift, 32 or 33 inch tires
1:00:52
So I've read some articles of where
1:00:55
they've done the same thing
1:00:56
In fact one of the articles I read they
1:00:59
talked about the performance distributor
1:01:02
firewire kit that I got
1:01:03
And that thing that they did it boosted
1:01:06
them 2 or 3 miles per gallon
1:01:08
Not so with me
1:01:10
But I have to check the fuel pressure and
1:01:13
a few other things that
1:01:15
Matt and I are working on
1:01:17
Maybe driving over there just
1:01:18
to let him hook up his snap on
1:01:23
Snap on ODB2 scanner and see what it says
1:01:28
I've even changed out injectors
1:01:31
So I don't know I could be having a fuel
1:01:34
flow issue and that
1:01:36
could be messing things up
1:01:37
Yeah propane, you know actually East
1:01:40
Texas Hunter says the
1:01:41
propane would be bad ass
1:01:43
Yeah propane would be pretty neat
1:01:46
It's any U-Haul place you can fill up
1:01:50
And I think the price is
1:01:52
pretty decent on it compared to gas
1:01:54
And I've seen some larger, some forward
1:01:58
dodge pickup set up on propane
1:02:00
And they seem to do quite well
1:02:02
That was years ago too so
1:02:05
I think it's certainly a
1:02:07
cleaner burning fuel too
1:02:09
I think what would be really
1:02:10
cool would be to have a diesel
1:02:12
Now the diesel fuel is more expensive but
1:02:15
if you could get a diesel
1:02:16
that had decent horsepower
1:02:18
And of course it would
1:02:18
have this wonderful torque
1:02:21
That would really be a
1:02:22
neat thing to have in a Jeep
1:02:24
Ok guys we're running a little over
1:02:26
This reminds you again
1:02:27
that we got the contest
1:02:33
The performance
1:02:34
distributors fireware kit 4.0
1:02:36
Please get on the site and vote for our
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tie breaker between weldmen
1:02:41
And order Dean for the best question
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1:02:48
And don't forget get these beautiful
1:02:53
Beautifully crafted
1:02:54
detours A pillar light mounts
1:02:57
You can see them on XJ talk
1:03:00
I do not think that they're available on
1:03:03
the detours website yet
1:03:05
As far as looking at them, of course you
1:03:07
can call Mark and order them
1:03:10
They are $47 shipped
1:03:13
If you don't want to try to win a set
1:03:16
You can always just call Mark and order
1:03:18
them and he'll get them out to you
1:03:20
And they're really nice
1:03:22
I would like to have this on myself
1:03:24
But I already have
1:03:25
planned for 8 lights on my Jeep
1:03:27
And I just don't know that 10
1:03:29
would be the right way to go
1:03:31
I just think that would be, I
1:03:33
think 8 is going to be a lot
1:03:35
But if I wasn't going to do the overhead
1:03:39
lights I would be doing these
1:03:40
They're very well made
1:03:43
Of course anything that you get from
1:03:44
detours is well made
1:03:46
So get on if you'd like to get in
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And perhaps get a nice
1:03:52
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1:03:55
For 2 bucks or 4 bucks or 6 bucks
1:03:58
Get on and send us your $2 through PayPal
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And buy a chance to win
1:04:06
It really helps out
1:04:07
We're hoping to do more contests
1:04:09
And this is kind of one of
1:04:10
those tests that we can see
1:04:13
How much interest there are in contests
1:04:16
Because frankly if I
1:04:18
can feel confident that
1:04:21
I can order a $300 bumper from Mark
1:04:24
Or from one of the
1:04:26
other bumper manufacturers
1:04:28
A.J. Off-road, etc. etc.
1:04:30
I'll be happy to put up that as a contest
1:04:34
And let people pay $2 or $5 or $10
1:04:38
depending on the cost
1:04:40
The overall cost of the wanted item
1:04:43
And we'll get it
1:04:45
But I needed to see
1:04:46
what my exposure would be
1:04:47
And I figured $47 for these A pillar
1:04:50
lights I could handle
1:04:53
Obviously we have not got
1:04:57
enough people buying chances
1:05:01
To cover the cost of the
1:05:02
A pillar light mounts yet
1:05:04
So I'd love to get people in
1:05:07
there that at least break even
1:05:10
But that wasn't part of the deal
1:05:11
The deal is 2 bucks is what
1:05:13
it takes to enter the contest
1:05:15
And that's all it costs to win the thing
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I mean what the f***
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1:06:35
I hope that the
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conversation about the Jeep running hot
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And my personal issues
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I've been having with my Jeep
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Will be somewhat helpful to you
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If nothing else it might
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be a little like therapy
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Knowing that somebody else is having
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similar problems to yours
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And also too knowing all
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the things that have been done
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That may or may not help you
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If you have any questions about things
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that I've done to my cooling system
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And things that I
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think have helped the most
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Feel free to contact me
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Start a post
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Send me a PM
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My post would be better because everybody
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gets the benefit from the information
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But happy to talk about it
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because it's therapy for me
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I get to feel better about it because
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it's very frustrating
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It's d*** frustrating
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But I'm going to whip it
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I love my Jeep
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And I'm going to fix this problem
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And then once it's fixed
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then there'll be something else
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No actually the Jeep
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is a very good vehicle
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It has been largely trouble free for the
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12-13 years that we've had it
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It has a minor design flaw
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And it's the cooling system
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And I believe it's
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because of that narrow front end
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One of the things that makes the Cherokee
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look cool is that wide narrow front end
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But it's hard to pull air through there
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It's hard to get a fan back
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there to pull the air through
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So at least that's my feeling
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So guys next week don't forget we're
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going to pick the winner
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For the Detours A-Pillar light mounts
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So be here next week to find out who wins
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And if you've entered
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be here to see if you win
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We'll post it up on the site too in case
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you can't be here or something comes up
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Don't worry about it
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You do not have to be present to win
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But a little excitement in the show
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So until next week
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My name's Tony
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Motoroy on XJtalk.com
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Visit the site
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Buy a d*** ticket for
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the A-Pillar mount lights
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See you next week guys
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This is Big Jim 350 and
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I f***ing love XJtalk.com
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